I was at the following London gig a few days later, I just heard rumours it was a heart attack because of the volume of the music. We'd heard it was a 16yr boy, too. Misinformed massively, I was only 15 myself, but for the whole gig the music seemed to beat my heart out of its rhythm, it was the loudest gig ever or since for me. No crushing thankfully because of Wembley's set up. Poor family of the girl. Just like me and my friend, you always hope you get home safe x 💙
I was at this. I remember support band, Filter playing inwhich singer Richard Patrick was crouching down inbetween songs looking at the crowd. The place was absolute mania from the moment I got in there. The band were utterly huge, and everyone I knew went. We hired a bus from town to it ( three hours drive) and the bus was full to the brim. I cannot confirm how things happened the way they did. I heard that, many people from the balcony piled into the main floor. I remember the absolute noise of the audience when the Pumpkins emerged. My then favourite band, I was on cloud 9,999. I know that, for those opening 3 songs, that is when most of the damage happened. People falling over due to 'waves' and surges of people swelling forward like tidal waves crashing onto the beach. Many, including me, were trampled underfoot, lost inthe darkness of bodies atop and underneath me. I was helped up, and I helped others up. I manovered and shuffled through the audience towards the side, which was to me, more stable. The band, yes would have seen the surges and downfalls of the crowd, but would not have realised the full extent. Nobody did. Inbetween the songs were quiet lulls and askings from the band to push and step back. After an hour of that, they left the stage, only to reappear amidst full house lights and announce that she show was over. During their time backstage, they learned the full extent of the situation. A person had been taken outta the crowd, was backstage and seriously hurt. It was utterly surreal. Billy, a larger than life being to me at the time, looked utterly small and helpless as he pleaded with everyone that they had to leave. D'arcy urged "Dont fucking boo, dont you fucking understand? It could be YOU". Ill never forget that. Thats when everyone, especially those at the back unaware of the chaos upfront knew something terrible had happened. Stunned, we all walked out, clapping in appreciation. The bus home was very quiet, and we wondered what the Hell had just happened. The next day, we learned that the girl had sadly passed away. I remember my friend had a walkman with him , and he announced it to us, having heard it on the news. Again, I cant explain how it all happened, it was 28 years ago. I was 16. Overcrowding, a huge surge, push, tidal wave of movement forward to the stage like a tsunami causing a mass collapse of everyone. I dont know.
I was at a Smashing Pumpkins gig at that same venue last month, and it was a fantastic gig. Billy's kids came out on stage for one of the songs. The venue has been completely redesigned now. You can't get to the standing area from the seated area.
The amount of times I had to pick people up at the front of any concert I had been to. Foo Fighters Brixton '97 was the worst one. I completely understand Billy's concern here. It is horrible to witness when people are getting crushed.
I was at this show. We were in the seats on the ground floor at the very back, so it was hard to see or get a real sense of what was going on. From what Billy was saying though, we knew something was terribly wrong. Afterwards, the walk back into Dubin city centre was surreal, nobody spoke. The whole thing was a horrible experience. RIP Bernadatte O'Brien.
@@genghis_connieI was there recently to see Iron Maiden and it's called 3 Arena now. I think the venue's max capacity is 8000 people but I could have that wrong. The Pumpkins appealed to a lot of metal fans as well as grunge fans. I put what happened down to people being over excited and drunk in some cases. As we all know, there aee a few who take it too far at these things. That behaviour is still an issue at concerts even today
I was there, I wasn't up at the front, but from where I was, you wouldn't know anything was wrong, it was only the next day when I heard someone had died, and spoke to friends who were closer to the front, they had said it was chaos, a friend of a friend suffered a broken rib from being squashed against one of the steel baracades, I never really liked the point depot, it never felt safe, it's a much better place now, safer too, think it can comfortabley holds 14000 people
Given the rush of the music; emotions, tension, adrenaline, hormones… this happens too often. He did a great job of trying to stop the push. I can’t imagine seeing that - or being her friend or family. 🤍🪽 Thanks for such a thoughtful video.
Another thing is , this was looong before mobile phones, internet, social media. Before going in to shows then, you'd have a "meeting point" outside , where, you would reunite with yer friends, should ye get separated inside at the show. We've all done that. Outside after the gig that nite was bedlam. We now knew that somebody was missing, hurt, going to hospital. Who was that? If you went with yer friends and didnt see them throughout the gig, you had to look for them, or wait at yer meeting point somewhere. About 30 people were on the bus to the show with me. Ill always remember running around outside looking for my friends, wondering if they were ok, or was one of them the person in serious condition. You could'nt txt, whatsapp, facebook anyone, or ring anyone. It was a totally different world. My best friend hurt his ribs during the show, but everyone else was ok. It was unreal, trying to wait and meet everyone afterwards, as thousands outside were doing the same thing. The next day, my friends and I were hanging out back home and we heard the girl tragically passed away. Utterly surreal.
I believe so. I was there, and I think I recall these red barriers dotted throughout the ground floor. I dont know how much that lent to trouble at the Pumpkins gig, but it was the front where the real damage was happening. Masses and masses of waves of movement from swelling crowds rippling forward, ultimitly pushing you from behind onto anyone directly in front. Possibly too, people arrived into the main area from the balcony, I dont know. It was my first time in the main hall like that. My next time in the Point was nearly 6 months later at MetallicA. Their stage - like what you see in the "cunning stunts" film, took up a lot of the ground floor, so the layout was totally different and safer.
The wildest concert I’ve too was Knocked loose in this extremely narrow venue in DC. I just remember as soon they played the first note getting kicked in head. I got knocked loose for sure.
Sometimes when the crowd is out of control it is very dangerous to end the show. This can cause rage and madness. I saw a music festival burn for this reason. I'm sorry about my english, i'm from Spain.
I was at the show. The overall damage in the crowd was done within the first three songs, but from the bands perspective, it was understandably not seen nor known from either our perspective nor theirs on stage. Yes, they could see the initial chaos collapse infront of them, but nobody knew that somebody was brought backstage and was seriously hurt. Billy stopped the show several times as the narrator notes here, and everone was moving back upon BIlly's cautious askings. They played on, took a break, played , took a break. During some parts of the show, it seemed as though things were going ok. I fell down in the immediate crush in the first couple of songs. I was helped back up, and as with many others, manouvered thru' the mass of people The back of the venue, and the balcony- they were'nt affected by what was happenings. It was all going off in the front. When Billy mentions "Somebody may have even died".. That was after an hours play. They left after Cherb Rock, and after several minutes, they emerged with the lights on , and announced the show was over. The "Boos" mentioned here. That was initially from the people at the back, who did not see what was happening at the front and initially didnt understand the full situation. But once D'arcy took to the mic to further Billy's comments and concerns, the look on the band's faces was so real. They were totally distraught, with the tour itself being such a success , and then this absolute horror was happening.
Its not "anti-moshing," it's anti crowd killing. Big difference between a healthy fun mosh pit, as SP had those their entire career, and a pit that consists of trampling and beating.
I tell what REALLY happened: that 17 years old girl was awake for 2 nights in front of the club gates just to be the first to get inside. You know what happens when you stay awake and hungry for 3 days then you find yourself in the middle of a mosh? Don't need to have a guess, you already know what happened. No, I don't feel sorry for these 1d10ts! I worked as stage crew and I saw every night kids like her standing outside the gate to see their "favourite bands". Then, on the night of the concert being barely able to stand up. Worst of all, most of these kids instead of socializing between each other they avoid getting the other concert goer near "their spot". How ridiculous is that. Then, after spending 48 hours laying down in the cold pavement and while holding huge sleeping bags in one hand and the ticket in the other one they run to the front of the stage only to wait another 40 minutes for the support band to get on the stage. What a bunch of 1d10t$ !!!!
Wow, what a rose you are. Have some fucking compassion. The girl was 17. Everyone does stupid shit when they’re teenagers. She should’ve never lost her life no matter how you look at it. Concerts are supposed to be safe. Have some fucking empathy dude, that’s what’s wrong with the world. You’re apart of that problem.
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I was at the following London gig a few days later, I just heard rumours it was a heart attack because of the volume of the music. We'd heard it was a 16yr boy, too. Misinformed massively, I was only 15 myself, but for the whole gig the music seemed to beat my heart out of its rhythm, it was the loudest gig ever or since for me. No crushing thankfully because of Wembley's set up. Poor family of the girl. Just like me and my friend, you always hope you get home safe x 💙
I was at this. I remember support band, Filter playing inwhich singer Richard Patrick was crouching down inbetween songs looking at the crowd. The place was absolute mania from the moment I got in there. The band were utterly huge, and everyone I knew went. We hired a bus from town to it ( three hours drive) and the bus was full to the brim. I cannot confirm how things happened the way they did. I heard that, many people from the balcony piled into the main floor. I remember the absolute noise of the audience when the Pumpkins emerged. My then favourite band, I was on cloud 9,999. I know that, for those opening 3 songs, that is when most of the damage happened. People falling over due to 'waves' and surges of people swelling forward like tidal waves crashing onto the beach. Many, including me, were trampled underfoot, lost inthe darkness of bodies atop and underneath me.
I was helped up, and I helped others up. I manovered and shuffled through the audience towards the side, which was to me, more stable. The band, yes would have seen the surges and downfalls of the crowd, but would not have realised the full extent. Nobody did. Inbetween the songs were quiet lulls and askings from the band to push and step back. After an hour of that, they left the stage, only to reappear amidst full house lights and announce that she show was over.
During their time backstage, they learned the full extent of the situation. A person had been taken outta the crowd, was backstage and seriously hurt. It was utterly surreal. Billy, a larger than life being to me at the time, looked utterly small and helpless as he pleaded with everyone that they had to leave. D'arcy urged "Dont fucking boo, dont you fucking understand? It could be YOU". Ill never forget that. Thats when everyone, especially those at the back unaware of the chaos upfront knew something terrible had happened. Stunned, we all walked out, clapping in appreciation.
The bus home was very quiet, and we wondered what the Hell had just happened. The next day, we learned that the girl had sadly passed away. I remember my friend had a walkman with him , and he announced it to us, having heard it on the news.
Again, I cant explain how it all happened, it was 28 years ago. I was 16. Overcrowding, a huge surge, push, tidal wave of movement forward to the stage like a tsunami causing a mass collapse of everyone. I dont know.
I was at a Smashing Pumpkins gig at that same venue last month, and it was a fantastic gig. Billy's kids came out on stage for one of the songs.
The venue has been completely redesigned now. You can't get to the standing area from the seated area.
The amount of times I had to pick people up at the front of any concert I had been to. Foo Fighters Brixton '97 was the worst one. I completely understand Billy's concern here. It is horrible to witness when people are getting crushed.
I was at this show. We were in the seats on the ground floor at the very back, so it was hard to see or get a real sense of what was going on. From what Billy was saying though, we knew something was terribly wrong.
Afterwards, the walk back into Dubin city centre was surreal, nobody spoke. The whole thing was a horrible experience.
RIP Bernadatte O'Brien.
I was there. The crushing was unreal
Glad you made it! Did they oversell tickets? Is the venue often that crowded for “bigger” bands?
@@genghis_connieI was there recently to see Iron Maiden and it's called 3 Arena now. I think the venue's max capacity is 8000 people but I could have that wrong. The Pumpkins appealed to a lot of metal fans as well as grunge fans. I put what happened down to people being over excited and drunk in some cases. As we all know, there aee a few who take it too far at these things. That behaviour is still an issue at concerts even today
I was there, I wasn't up at the front, but from where I was, you wouldn't know anything was wrong, it was only the next day when I heard someone had died, and spoke to friends who were closer to the front, they had said it was chaos, a friend of a friend suffered a broken rib from being squashed against one of the steel baracades, I never really liked the point depot, it never felt safe, it's a much better place now, safer too, think it can comfortabley holds 14000 people
Take notes Travis Scott...this is how you help your fans.
@@robertmclaren5711 Haha
Great video. It's such a shame that girl lost her life.
Love how Billy handled this!
Given the rush of the music; emotions, tension, adrenaline, hormones… this happens too often.
He did a great job of trying to stop the push. I can’t imagine seeing that - or being her friend or family. 🤍🪽
Thanks for such a thoughtful video.
I can’t imagine going that crazy for them tbh.
Another thing is , this was looong before mobile phones, internet, social media. Before going in to shows then, you'd have a "meeting point" outside , where, you would reunite with yer friends, should ye get separated inside at the show. We've all done that. Outside after the gig that nite was bedlam. We now knew that somebody was missing, hurt, going to hospital. Who was that? If you went with yer friends and didnt see them throughout the gig, you had to look for them, or wait at yer meeting point somewhere. About 30 people were on the bus to the show with me. Ill always remember running around outside looking for my friends, wondering if they were ok, or was one of them the person in serious condition. You could'nt txt, whatsapp, facebook anyone, or ring anyone. It was a totally different world. My best friend hurt his ribs during the show, but everyone else was ok. It was unreal, trying to wait and meet everyone afterwards, as thousands outside were doing the same thing.
The next day, my friends and I were hanging out back home and we heard the girl tragically passed away. Utterly surreal.
I was at this gig. The crowd was totally out of control.
Were you injured as a result of the audience's behaviour that night?
Did The Point still have those barriers on the floor in those days. I seem to remember it was a problem when Nirvana there
I believe so. I was there, and I think I recall these red barriers dotted throughout the ground floor. I dont know how much that lent to trouble at the Pumpkins gig, but it was the front where the real damage was happening. Masses and masses of waves of movement from swelling crowds rippling forward, ultimitly pushing you from behind onto anyone directly in front.
Possibly too, people arrived into the main area from the balcony, I dont know. It was my first time in the main hall like that. My next time in the Point was nearly 6 months later at MetallicA. Their stage - like what you see in the "cunning stunts" film, took up a lot of the ground floor, so the layout was totally different and safer.
I honestly thought this was referring to the sp show where a member of their crew died, and as a result their drummer being arrested.
that was their keyboardist that passed away, from an overdoese :(. Yes Jimmy (the drummer) was also arrested earlier as he was doing drugs with them
@@aydenhdgaming5336 I get it now. That didn't't happen at a show, it was at a hotel room.
Billy is my hero❤❤❤
The wildest concert I’ve too was Knocked loose in this extremely narrow venue in DC. I just remember as soon they played the first note getting kicked in head. I got knocked loose for sure.
Why did they not just end the concert right away? Insane
Sometimes when the crowd is out of control it is very dangerous to end the show. This can cause rage and madness. I saw a music festival burn for this reason. I'm sorry about my english, i'm from Spain.
Easy to say in hindsight. The band didn't realise the extend of the injuries taking place. As soon is it became apparent to them they ended the show.
You do that and you have a potential riot on your hands
I was at the show. The overall damage in the crowd was done within the first three songs, but from the bands perspective, it was understandably not seen nor known from either our perspective nor theirs on stage. Yes, they could see the initial chaos collapse infront of them, but nobody knew that somebody was brought backstage and was seriously hurt. Billy stopped the show several times as the narrator notes here, and everone was moving back upon BIlly's cautious askings. They played on, took a break, played , took a break. During some parts of the show, it seemed as though things were going ok. I fell down in the immediate crush in the first couple of songs. I was helped back up, and as with many others, manouvered thru' the mass of people The back of the venue, and the balcony- they were'nt affected by what was happenings. It was all going off in the front. When Billy mentions "Somebody may have even died".. That was after an hours play. They left after Cherb Rock, and after several minutes, they emerged with the lights on , and announced the show was over. The "Boos" mentioned here. That was initially from the people at the back, who did not see what was happening at the front and initially didnt understand the full situation.
But once D'arcy took to the mic to further Billy's comments and concerns, the look on the band's faces was so real. They were totally distraught, with the tour itself being such a success , and then this absolute horror was happening.
Its not "anti-moshing," it's anti crowd killing. Big difference between a healthy fun mosh pit, as SP had those their entire career, and a pit that consists of trampling and beating.
Not much you can do. if you stop the gig people freak out even more. Mob rules.
Crowds are interesting, and scary as hell. Tribal mentality makes people behave like a bunch of tree-climbing crap-flingers.
I tell what REALLY happened: that 17 years old girl was awake for 2 nights in front of the club gates just to be the first to get inside. You know what happens when you stay awake and hungry for 3 days then you find yourself in the middle of a mosh? Don't need to have a guess, you already know what happened. No, I don't feel sorry for these 1d10ts! I worked as stage crew and I saw every night kids like her standing outside the gate to see their "favourite bands". Then, on the night of the concert being barely able to stand up.
Worst of all, most of these kids instead of socializing between each other they avoid getting the other concert goer near "their spot". How ridiculous is that. Then, after spending 48 hours laying down in the cold pavement and while holding huge sleeping bags in one hand and the ticket in the other one they run to the front of the stage only to wait another 40 minutes for the support band to get on the stage. What a bunch of 1d10t$ !!!!
Wow, what a rose you are. Have some fucking compassion. The girl was 17. Everyone does stupid shit when they’re teenagers. She should’ve never lost her life no matter how you look at it. Concerts are supposed to be safe. Have some fucking empathy dude, that’s what’s wrong with the world. You’re apart of that problem.