TD 27kv Follow-Up...is it any good? + HH issues
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- Опубликовано: 28 июл 2024
- After 2 months (maybe more) of using the Roland TD27kv eDrum Kit, I have some opinions, mostly good with one glaring exception. I share my thoughts on using the kit for practice, live gigs, and recording. And then there is the HiHat issue...
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glad this came out. I thought my hi hat was broken or i did something wrong. Roland should recall this.
Roland wants you to spend $1000+ on their digital hats.
Best on the market!…….. love mine!👀😎👍✌️🇨🇦
Thanks! Hi Hats are clearly the weak point of all eDrums. I have the Alesis Strike Pro SE and love it. EXCEPT for the Hi Hat. I just use acoustic hats and close mic them for gigs.
I love your reviews on this thing! I don’t know if you know about the 14 inch digital hi hats, I’ll have to look at your other videos and see if you reviewed that.
The VH14 is just too expensive, or I'd definitely be checking them out.
I had similarly nagging hi hat mishaps, until I (half-inadvertently) took OFF the felt washer from the base on which the bottom hat would rest (I see from the vid that you kept it on). It seems the elasticity / cushioning of the felt plays havoc with whatever sensor Roland uses (I too am a player, not a technician). Thereupon, I redid the initial setup drill as per the manual, just once, and the difference has been (and remains) great. Not strictly equal to my fave acoustic hats of course, but a genuinely good approximation : accurate and nuanced playing is possible. I sincerely hope it works for you as well as it did for me :)
OK I tried removing the felt and initializing the setup, but really didn't notice any appreciable difference. Maybe I did something wrong...dunno. I'll try the setup drill again when I get a minute. Regardless thanks for the tip and glad it worked out for you!
Hi, I had some trigger issues with my VH-10 HH as well (I have the TD-17 kvx) and I solved it by a very simple fix, I really don't know it's the same issues you have, but I saw no one addressing this so I decided I'll give it a go.
So, it turned out that my trigger issues was due to my kick tower touching the rack, it was transferring vibrations to the whole kit and since my HH stand was touching the rack it absorbed some of those vibrations causing the trigger problems, so once I prevented the kick tower from touching the rack problem was solved.
Interesting....but that wasn't my problem. My issue was more along the lines of the VH-10 NOT firing when hit...specifically on HH opening.
I can certainly hear the difference of the hi hats, do you think the VH-14D will make a difference?
I recently acquired a td-27 and I'm planning on buying the digital hi hat myself
I have TD27KV and I have the same HH issues. HH pad is also keep spinning/turning on the stand. I use Yamaha HH stand. Anyone know how to stop the HH pad from spinning?
How do you achieve this lighting? what lights are you using specifically?
Hi, I had that hi-hat with my TD17kvx. I now have the TD50xk2. Comes with the VH14D, HUGE difference, and yes I had my old TD17kvx hihat properly calibrated, the VH14D blows it WAY out of the water. I had to have this feel to replace my very nice Hendrix acoustic setup while I'm renting. I feel for anyone having to switch that can't afford what I could...
Haha, way to rub salt in the wound! 😀
@@thecreativedrummer5546 :) sorry mate, I genuinely liked the hihat you have when calibrated, until I went shopping for my temporary e-drums.
I just got this kit and I freaking love it but I know what you mean about the hi hats. I was considering getting the vh 14d’s. I wonder how much of an improvement it would be.
I don't know how much of an improvement, if any, there would be. i don't know if the issue is with the module itself, or the pad. For me, given how much I've already spent on this kit, there's no way I'm going to throw more money at it. If Roland wants to play that game of including inferior components in order to coerce a customer into buying something "better", I'm not interested and shame on them! If you do get the VH 14D, let me know what you think. Thanks for your comment!
Night and day! The 14 are the best…………. 👀😎👍
You’re clearly a wonderful player, I’d suggest diving into the hihat calibration! I have a vad506 (comes with the same module and hats) and I’ve never had any issues with sensitivity or response. Acoustic hats are always gonna be better, but I’m not too sure how your e hats are responding so poorly!
so we know the feeling can be different, but what about precision? do you feel it sometimes doesn't register, or the force you are using doesn't quite translate to edrum as it does in an acustic one?
I really wanted to buy this kit, but i was so disapointed with an alesis one when it comes to hihat, that i'm "scared" to jump into these
You said it: I have to dumb down my HH playing as well. I have tweaked mine for years and still not happy.
My ONLY issue in terms of accuracy is with the HH. All of the other pads, including the cymbal pads, are surprisingly accurate and therefore easy to execute on.
There is a washer mod I had to install to get mine to feel and play like a normal HH.
@@AndersonOverlandwasher mode? Can you please explain?
Thanks for this! Nice to hear a player's perspective instead of just an unboxing or feature review video. Also, you said you can use your 16 channel Behringer interface when connected to a Mac? Don't you mean an 8 channel stereo interface? ;-)
You're very welcome! I was referring to my Behringer UMC1820 + AD8200 connected via ADAT=16 channels.
Hello....I just ordered an open box TD 27 (saved $850 ) for my home studio apt studio as I am a guitarist and wanted to learn drums. The only upgrade I was thinking about getting is the new digital VH-14 Hihat. I can get it for 20% off. So it almost like paying $150 with the money I saved with open box. What are your thoughts? Will it make learning drums more enjoyable?
Since you're a beginner, I don't think you should be spending the extra money on upgraded hihats right now. Once you reach a certain level of prificiency and begin to actually notice the shortcomings, then you could consider an upgrade. So no, I don't believe at the beginning level that better eHats will make a diference.
I do have the VH-14D with the 2.0 update, and have also tried it with the 1.11 update which was the latest one up to a few weeks ago. I previously had the VH10 that comes with the kit. Unfortunately even the digital hats have the same issue. The quick open close is veery inconsistent even after hours of calibration and trying out different settings. When it misfires it does sound different than a normal "closed" or "open" hit, but the sound that comes out is not what it should be. The only way I can get it to work properly is by using SD 3. But that's not supposed to be the solution for a high quality roland kit...
This is as fascinating as it is disturbing! Roland is going all in on the idea that the VH-14D solves all of the issues drummers were complaining about. I watched a video by a well-known RUclipsr (who shall go un-named) in which he acted very skeptically towards the VH-14D and even went through all of the issues with previous Roland HiHats, and concluded the the new digital VH-14D solved all of the problems. The video was unconvincing to say the least. Plus it was sponsered by Sweetwater which calls into question objectivity. Thanks for the honest comment!
@@thecreativedrummer5546 that's what made me buy the digital hi-hat in the first place. You do get much more expressiveness, it's a big step up over the vh-10, but the biggest problem still remains. I sold the vh-10 and I am really happy with this digital one because I get all the new features and even fix all the problems on SD 3, but the module acts the same way. This makes me think it's probably a limitation of the module itself and its processing power because being careful and raising my foot earlier solves the problem. I have also talked with a few creators of various sound samples here on youtube, everyone points to the same issue, you basically have to learn to play the hi hat anew.
i also agree your a great drummer. my comment is i see you got rid of the rack, was it that bad and do you recommend going with stand if we like the one up two down tom setup?
Hey thanks for the compliment! As far as the rack that comes with the kit you CAN get a one up two down setup, but I found it very difficult to get the pads exactly where I wanted them. That's why I wound up using stands. If you do get this kit, since it comes with the rack try it out first. You may be able to get the setup you want.
I agree about stands vs rack. That's the main reason I got the VAD306. Allows more precise placing of pads. Hi-hats frustrate me too. Main thing is I have a very difficult time getting a consistent foot splash. Since the module is TD-17 digital is out of the question. Not gonna spend +$1,000 for the TD-27 module and another $1,000 for digital hats. The only other issue I have is the area is so tiny to trigger the bell on the ride it's inconsistent also. Other than that the VAD306 is great. Mainly use it for practice so I don't have to constantly break down and setup my acoustic set between gigs. Plus I can do those 2am practices when the feeling hits without pissing off the neighbors.
Look into the new vh14d digital hihats
@ @The Creative Drummer - sorry i missed it - did ya mention in d video which vDrums HiHat you're using ? thanks!!
It's the VH-10 that came with the kit.
@@thecreativedrummer5546 THANKS, played td12 for 15+ YEARS, recently upgraded module to td27, and vh11 hiHats are great. Upgraded again to vh-14d hiHats and TBH they're highly OVER-rated!!
Frying pans and Frisbees is my new band name
Ive used mine live and have the same HH issue. Very inconsistant and yes its fustrating as hell! This is the reason why Im gettingvrid of them!
I feel your pain....personally the positives of the kit tip the scales in favor of keeping the kit, but I can totally understand why you'd want to bail on them. Thanks for the comment!
It’s a great solid set and so much u can do with that module I been playing them for almost a year and I love them The hi hats are good and responsive perfect no they are electronic drums people You play them a little different than acoustic drums I’ve gotten use to the hihats now you can get the digital ones from Roland which are two cymbals and they are the best on the market as are the snare and ride cymbal that comes with this set I’m good with what I got You want the perfect sound and feel go spend 10000 on a custom DW set built for you
I disagree about the hi-hats. The response is far from "perfect". As for the "digital ones", well yea! They better be damn good at $1149! To be clear, my issue is specifically with the included hi-hat...NOT the whole kit. Yes, the snare and ride are really good! However, I stand by what I said...the TD27kv is too expensive. That said, you clearly love the kit! Nothing wrong with that. Thanks for your comment!
@@thecreativedrummer5546 I agree. 1. The Hi-Hat SHOULD be totally responsive out of the box, without the customer's input/work. 2. It always sounds to me that most snares and rides sound OK on most Roland kits, but the rest (toms, crashes, hi-hats) should sound way better, for that money, of course. Great vid, thanks!
Have you tried the new hi hats? and made a video with it?
No I have not tried the the VH-14D digital hi-hats, so no video. They're too expensive. However, for what I paid for the entire kit a year ago, you can get the 2nd gen kit that includes the new digital hi-hats. AAARRRRGH!! :)
When you were playing the HH triplet groove you weren't digging it as much as playing the real cymbals. I noticed something when you switched to the real cymbals they were at rest open with almost 2 inches space between bottom and top cymbals. When you played the pattern with the rubber cymbals I think I saw maybe an inch or even less between the upper and lower cymbals. Long story short why not try more space between your top and bottom rubber cymbals so they won't cut off the sound so fast when doing that HH triplet ostinato. I would try putting another felt on the top high hat clutch and tighten it more as I noticed the shaking of the top cymbal was absorbing your right hand stick notes and would sound better if your top hat was a lot stiffer than it currently is. I've played a 2006 Roland TD20 and a 2020 Roland TD17 currently. You got a nice groove, my brother like your timing. Peace
Yeah they seem to be way overpriced. but if your a serious drummer and LOVE drumming and love the Roland sound and love editing and dialing in your favorite sounds... they are worth it. And they last forever!!! at least 10 years. I've had my TD25/td11 kit for around 7 years and they are still like brand new! lol I plan on just buying the td27 module soon as my upgrade. then the digital snare.. THEN the ride and hi-hat. one thing at a time for me. shoot I'm still using the VH11 and I actually like it! but I'm sure I'll appreciate the VH14. It's gotta be better than the VH11?
Hopefully Roland will drop the price of the VH14...it's just too expensive.
You're best off buying the td27kv2. I've just got it for £2300 and it includes all 3 digital pads (4 if counting the hi hat as two). And the updated module too.
I just sold my 3 month old td-17kvx2 with a bit of a loss and bought the td-27kv2 new. this includes the digital ride,snare and hi-hat. for 2600 euros. its weird that buying the entire kit is cheaper than buying a upgrade kit...@@thecreativedrummer5546
So here we go
Td27kv2..... with 14 hihat and some better plats.....
So we need new review
Are those hihats the vh10?
Yes. They are the vh10. I have since replaced them with the Lemon HiHats: ruclips.net/video/4XRbytlYFoY/видео.html
Looks like your stick is hitting the edge and the middle at the same time! Try dropping your hats down a couple of inches.
You would think right? Unfortunately I tried that and still got misfires. I have to say however, that for $3500 I don't think its too much to ask to be able to adjust the height to whatever I want. Roland did an amazing job with the cymbals. The HiHat? Not so much. As I said in the video, HH edge playing is very common so either there's some technical issue, or Roland just dropped the ball. Regardless thanks for the suggestion!
@@thecreativedrummer5546 have you tried any other hi-hat? I'm having the same issue but I think I'm passed the return policy. This sucks.
@@thechristinedemeo Roland recently unveiled the V-Pad VH-14D. Here's how Roland describes it: "The groundbreaking VH-14D launches the electronic hi-hat into a new universe of playability, offering touch sensitivity, tonal variation, and open/closed resolution that’s never been available until now." Sounds great right? Well, yea....until you find out it costs $1149.99!!! Assuming it does all of the things the HH that comes with the TD-27kv doesn't, would you pay that much? If the answer is "no", which I'm in complete agrreement with, then the only solution I've come up with is to adjust how I play the HH , recognizing the limitations therein. Not a perfect solution by far, but $1149.99 cheaper. Sorry I wish there was a better answer. Thanks for the comment!
@@thecreativedrummer5546 yeah that's bonkers! I've just dropped over 3k on this kit. I should be able to get a decent hi-hat fit that money. I'm very disappointed
@@thecreativedrummer5546 so have you just decided to alter your playing by bringing the hi-hat closer so you're playing on top of it? No more side stick playing? Do you feel that helps it trigger more naturally?
I agree 100% with your feedback of the hh, and I own the kv2, which comes with the vh14D. Same problem - edge open hh sound is horrible, and you do have to dumb down your playing by playing on the top surface to get a more accurate behavior. Nobody plays like that!
So the vh14 isn't all that people have been claiming? I've been border line ordering the kd27 that comes with the vh14 but don't wanna spend that much if it isn't right. I currently have a set of yamaha dtx 6k3x and they work fine, would you still buy it if you had the chance to do over?
@@dewayne5533The DTX-6K3 is a set I've been considering. Are you saying you can play the edge on the Hi-Hat for the DTX-6K3?
I too am wanting to get an electronic kit as I'm in an apartment & can't play my acoustic. But if I'm going to spend this kind of money, I want something as close to acoustic as possible in terms of feel. I can always tweak or use VST's if I don't like the sound.
@nonyabusiness6084 the dtx6k3-x plays fine, the only complaint I had with it was the floor splash wasn't that great but that was factory, I never tweaked it or anything but as far as playing it plays great. I did go out on a limb and purchase a set of roland td27kv2 and the vh14 hihat is definitely better as far as being closest to acoustic. If you are in the market for a set though I have my yamaha dtx 6k3x that I'm selling for way cheaper than retail price, always kept inside never been out of my house. If your interested we can figure something out and get in touch about it! But yeah man I was satisfied with them, I like the rolands digital stuff better though
@@dewayne5533 I really appreciate the offer, but I have been looking at the DTX-8K & Roland TD-27KV2 & I think I'm gonna go with the Roland. I am more concerned with having a realistic feel than the most natural sounds. As I can always tune up the drums or use VST's. When it comes to electronics I like to buy new & usually always grab a warranty on expensive items. Sweetwater offers a free 2 year warranty. Yeah, it will be more expensive but I haven't played in years.
I not only live in an apartment, but a spine injury keeps me from wanting to set up, tear down or lug around a full size acoustic kit like my Pearl anymore. I've also never been able to practice as much as I've always wanted to & have always wondered how much better I would be if I had. But I never got an electronic kit before because they just never impressed me. They either didn't sound right or the Hi-Hat & Cymbals were not realistic enough. This is the first time I've looked into electronic kits in years & I'm glad I did. I figured the tech had to have improved by now. Getting an electronic kit will finally allow me to practice whenever I want without having to worry about disturbing anyone or having the cops called on me.
I appreciate the offer. I'm not fully decided yet, so I will think it over & leave you message here if I decide to get a DTX-6K3.
The VH-14D will solve your issues with the hats I believe.
Yes probably, for $1149. No thanks. :)
I use the vh11. I cut out a piece of cardboard and placed it under the hi hat cylinder. Works way better. Cut a hole and place over the center cylinder shaft that goes up and down. Problem solved.