Drinker's Chasers - The Death Of The Movie Star
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- Опубликовано: 5 сен 2024
- There was a time when people would flock to see "The new Arnold Schwarzenegger movie" or "the new Will Smith movie." That time has passed. But what happens in a post-movie star world?
9:10 "watching movie by The Rock is like going to McDonalds, you probably done it 100 times and dont remember it" is a beautiful Drinker quote
Terrible comparison, I remember all my McDonald’s
@@louiemeister9646 that's probably because you're not familiar with real cuisine...
I don't understand how The Rock thinks fans are really invested in his acting abilities when all he does is just making forgettable mediocre movies. Hell, the live action Moana that he's working on ain't gonna be different than any movie that he produced. I mean he's charismatic and likeable of course but for the most part, he's just extremely overrated
@Zog Wort Arnold's top 5 movies are so much better than any lame ass movie rock has done.
Yeah you said it.
Henry Cavil will do what ever it takes to have the physicality required for a role, he is a great actor and by all accounts he is about as sane and kind as a person in narcissistic Hollywood can be yet he gets buried. Yet somehow we can’t get rid of Ezra Miller who is an abusive monster. That says all we need to know about Hollywood.
I think he has intelligence, charm and a good look to be a movie star. Especially when he comes across as such a nice guy, it's hard not to like him. Both girls and guys like him which gives him a broad appeal.
@@antmax Yeah he’s just a likeable guy all around. Girls like him because of his charm and good looks, and guys like him because he likes the same kind of nerdy shit we like, he’s one of us.
Says all we need to know about the world. Instead of everyone boycotting shit films, Ezra Miller, and Hollywood we shill out and let great dudes like Cavill get destroyed. We almost did it to Depp.
People forget what unity can do. Just a little while ago an entire community formed as one to make an industry remake Justice League. Now everyone’s confused why Ezra Miller can’t disappear already but Henry is fighting to stay relevant.
He should be a shoe-in for the next James Bond but I'm worried to see how EON messes it up.
Lady that’s the world in general. Suck nevertheless tho.
If Hollywood knew what they were doing, Henry Cavill would be the next James Bond
He was sorta in that role already in A Man From Uncle...so ya I could see him in that. Dude's got the charm.
The Man from U.N.C.L.E .. 😉
Cahill has the skill for Bond but he isn't the body type for Bond.
i vote Daniel Radcliffe as James Bond 😅
@Tommy D That's what I worry about too. However, cavill as bond WOULD get my money. Opening weekend.
Keanu Reeves has often lowered his salary on a film to enable another actor he liked to be given a role. He's so authentic and generous to people he respects. No big ego, no selfishness, just a hardworking actor.
'Movie Stars' weren't seen as real people, they were brands.
Will Smith was Action/comedy, Arnold Schwarzenegger was Action, Tim Allen was comedy, Humphry Bogart was 'Drama'. It was simple and people flocked to them because they knew what type of movie they were going to get.
These days it is the total opposite. Actors are exposed now and their personal lives bleed into the movies and the advertising surrounding the movies. The only reason Tom Cruise is still a star is because he follows that formula. He is Action and that's his brand.
Oh So True!! Van Damme, Bruce Lee and of Chuck Norris you Knew someone was going to get their Ass Kicked!!
Streaming and the rising number of young actors have put the movie star era to an end
Lol
Tim Allen? For comedy?
TA was a decent comedy actor, but how on earth is he your example for comedy, over Jim Carrey, Robin Williams, Mike Myers???
Yeah this is a great point. I think this is very well encapsulated with what Stallone was trying to achieve with the Expendables movies. He wasn't just hiring a bunch of actors, he was combining the collective nostalgia and formula of hundreds of action movies.
Even for guys who did different genres like Clint Eastwood, he still never went too far outside the tough guy persona to where you couldnt see him that wayt anymore.
Tarantino: "The movie star is dead".
Scorcese: "Cinema is dead."
(My paraphrasing). They're both right but Scorcese more so. Without good *film* how can you have a good *film star?*
Even *Spielberg* is aware.
25 years ago I would catch a good new movie to be entertained.
Faster forward to today, I tune into Critical Drinker's latest rant to be entertained.
Yeah but when do get good films, you dont hear Tom Cruise on a twitter rant. You need a good film AND a actor willing to be that “movie star” 24/7.
You don't need stars for an amazing film, though. E.G. who knew who Viggo Mortensen, Elijah Wood, or Orlando Bloom were prior to the LotR trilogy?
@@buddykerr1 Which brings us to the larger point that we're now in the age of the RUclips star and streamer.
Expectations for SHAZAM 2 antagonists: Black Adam, Mr. Mind and Dr. Sivana.
Reality for SHAZAM 2 antagonists: Greek Mythological Grannies.
Black Adam's presence in Shazam 2 would've been HUGE! But Dwayne didn't care.
😂😂😂😂😂😢😢😢😢😂😂😂😅
_Shazam 2_ was a perfectly enjoyable movie that I don’t have any desire to see a second time.
Apparently Shazam and Black Adam were going to be in the movie together but due to Dwayne Johnson's massive ridiculous ego, he wants Black Adam to have his own movie first eventhough that's not really necessary
@@LebahG4ntengReally? Then he shouldn't have been Black Adam, he doesn't even look like the character anyway.
Love that comment! "We were looking for a young Tom Cruise? Then Old Tom Cruise said FUCK it i'll do it myself!" It's SO True :)
Tom Cruise is definitely a legend.
@@chasehedges6775 He's just hitting his prime😎
Tom Cruise truly is the last of a dying breed. He still really cares about movies and the process of making them, and he really cares what the audience thinks of his movies. And he always tries to bring a certain level of authenticity to the films he makes. Like, if it can be done practically instead of using CGI, he’s gonna try to do it. I really respect that kind of dedication to your craft. He’s always scaling skyscrapers, jumping off cliffs, and jumping out of planes just to get that perfect shot. He’s not out to make any personal statements or win any awards with his films, he just wants to make enjoyable movies that are fun for people to watch. The Last Samurai is still one of my favorite movies ever made. And Cruise has shown that he possesses the acting chops to be successful in any genre. He was hilarious in Tropic Thunder, he was able to hold his own dramatically with Jack Nicholson in A Few Good Men, and he’s obviously been very successful with action films like Top Gun and Mission Impossible, as that genre is his bread and butter. He’s the quintessential movie star. And Tom Cruise doesn’t just shit out movies to add something else to his catalog. He’s at the stage of his career now that if he works on a film, it’s usually something special that caught his eye or something he cares about. You don’t see many actors like him anymore, most of them are too concerned with themselves instead of the quality of the overall product.
Call me stupid, but i even liked TC's Mummy remake. Sure, Brendan Frasers' Mummy was so much better, but I found TC's Mummy to be enjoyable as well.
Couldn't have said it better myself.👌🏻
I like his passion for movies, but the guy sometimes feels like a total nutjob
And like I just read about another movie star who was really really passionate about his films - Edward Norton. He was so passionate that he sort of tried to take over the entire film project and it always resulted in a better movie so he was not exactly destroying the movie with his antics. Unfortunately, that gave him the reputation of someone who is "hard to work with" and I've stopped seeing him in big roles for a long time. Still, remember when he got 3 Oscar nominees and he was considered one of the best actors of his generation. His uncredit role in Kingdoms of Heaven as King Baldwin IV was so charismatic, I literally forgot about Orlando Bloom's main character. We can't even see Edward's face the entire time, it was purely body language and voice-acting but somehow he was way more charismatic than Orlando. There is a difference between a talented actor and a talentless actor.
Tom Cruise totally gets what people want, the fact he's in a minority is so sad.
It's not sad at all the death of the movie star means it will bring down the egos of the actors who dare to charge 20 mill per movie and will give more chances for up & coming actors who are starving for better roles.
Examples there are like Leo Dicaprio who is only working with Scorsese because the guy is willing to pay him his 20 mill standard salary for a one movie.
I saw an interview with him the other day, they asked a question about upcoming projects…the first thing he said was about if the fans wanted it, what the fans wanted and how he would try to give the fans a movie they asked for. It seems like such a simple premise…but it’s unfortunately seems to be the exception these days, not the rule!
@@ronburgundy3172 Up and coming actors who don't even know to act, but will proudly parade as activists who don't do any real activism.
Also, if I remember correctly: Tom Cruise's rant was entirely justified. People were breaking the COVID protocols at a time when it was still a fairly nasty variant. And though it probably wouldn't have harmed anyone on the set, an outbreak could've got the production shut down for weeks.
They say you should never meet your heroes, I say seeing their vapid opinions on social media is even worse. RIP to the movie star, you should have kept your mouth shut
Well
Said.
Couldn’t agree more, drinker made a video a while back at how movie stars and most if not all celebrities felt like this untouchable & unknowable group of people, the only things you’d hear or learn about them was through interviews and movies they’re in or whatever the case may be, suddenly we know literally everything about celebrities right down to what they had for breakfast and what their opinion on transgender issues are, it’s tiring and it’s boring being lectured at by out of touch elitists, I miss the days of the out of reach celebrities who kept their mouths shut and just did movies or music or whatever their thing was, they’re all activists & “social media” influencers now who think we care what they have to say about real world issues.
@@bruhdon4748 Exactly. In the past, celebrities were unknowable.
Now, their secrets and flaws are ther for the whole world to see.
@@chasehedges6775 everyone knew they was pieces of shit on some level but at least it wasn’t front and centre all the time & paraded proudly how dumb and out of touch they are, some of them used to be really cringe at award shows back in the day trying to virtue signal & that’s all they seem to do now on top of doing it online, interviews, Twitter etc etc
@@chasehedges6775 nobody needed to know about jada and will smith & the exact details, it’s just vanity and pure insanity combined
Drinker nailed it, 100%. It’s the lack of care for the final product. The apathy for the movie making experience is carrying over into the performances of the actors. They show very little emotion and just seem to be going through the motions of acting instead of really getting in touch with their character and what the character is going through. It’s like Kristen Stewart in Twilight, as in a plank of wood could have emoted better than her. Because the number one rule of movies that the “modern movie-makers” have seem to have forgotten, if the characters don’t care about what they’re going through, why should we? We were there and experiencing terror with the mom in the Shining. Our hearts were ripped out for the death of Artax in the Neverending Story. We felt every brutal second of the execution of John Coffee in the Green Mile. Because we had become invested. Our hearts were carefully led to the place the director wanted it to go because we knew we were not alone. Our pain, our joy, our sorrow was being shared by the other characters. We knew this because we saw it. We became comfortable enough to allow ourselves to feel.
👍👍👍👍💯. Absolutely this. Actors should care about their characters/craft
Kristen Stewart proved she could act outside of Twilight tho. Along with Robert Pattison.
@@chasehedges6775 That may be the case now, but try to go back and rewatch those films now that the craze has died down. They are almost completely unwatchable. It’s almost like a masterclass in how not to act that should be viewed in every acting school to show how you don’t act in a movie.
@@jsinjapan1689 Trust me, I know they’re terrible. My sister watched them ALL THE TIME!
Kristen Stewart was perfect in her role though. I have enjoyed her filmography after Twilight saga so much.
CRUISE is the only Actor that has worked with Coppolla, Kubrick, Scorsese & Spielberg
He became the biggest movie star in the world by doing pure Dramas .. especially the first 20 years of his Career
He's the GOAT of GOATS
Oliver Stone 👍
Totally forgot that Cruise had worked with Scorsese before lol
Thank you! Why does everybody act like Tom Cruise just got popular? He was god damn HUGE in the late 80’s/early 90’s.
Brendan Fraser did an incredible job in Gods and Monsters, Crash, and Extraordinary Measures, but most people haven't watched those movies, or don't even know about them. One of the issues is most people only remember him for genre films and don't realize he has done roles beyond those. I think it's why people are so shocked when they saw him in The Whale--they had no idea it was in him, and it always has been.
And School Ties. He's an excellent actor.
The Rock is at an interesting point in his career as an actor. His rise as an A-list megastar in the 2010s really cemented his "brand" as well as his on screen persona. However, he doesn't really have a defining role as an actor. As Drinker pointed out he kinda just plays The Rock in every movie. Arnold is the Terminator, but he's also had a string of iconic and influential movies like Predator, Total Recall, and hell even True Lies. Stallone has Rocky and Rambo but has also had times in his career where he showed that he is an extremely capable actor. He's an academy award nominee and the first Rocky won Best Picture. Bruce Willis is John McClane but has starred in alot of big influential films like Arnold (Pulp Fiction, 12 Monkeys) while also showing he's a capable actor (Sixth Sense). Keanu for all the flak he's gotten for his percieved acting limitations has so many iconic roles and movies that have kept him working into his late 50s. Bill and Ted, Point Break, Speed, the Matrix films, and of course, John Wick. The Rock is The Rock for all that's worth. And if he wants the 2020s and beyond to be as lucrative as the previous decade, he needs to start taking more risks as an actor. He doesn't have to completely shy away from his generically charming action star schtick. But he does have to show that he's capable of more than just wrecking dudes and smiling on screen. He has to show that he has range and is willing to compromise his invincible onscreen persona for roles that will take him out his comfort zone. Oscar bait films are not the answer, but I think we would all like to see him do something that requires him to do more than just flex his muscles and throw out cheesy jokes. It's getting stale and I hope he realizes it before it's too late
The Rock makes movies for teenagers. Arnold made movies for adults, that teenagers also like.
@@9mmsleepingpill851 let's not forget kindergarten cop. Schwarzenegger is great working with kids, not just adults. That was a great mix of action and comedy.
@@JudithYD Jingle All The Way as well. He's also got that Christmas movie on his resume. No doubt the rock will go down that route (if he hasnt done so already).
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@@davidkelly499 He already tried the family film run with the Game Plan, Race to Witch Mountain, and The Tooth Fairy.
Clint Eastwood's son Scott would have been a big movie star if his career had started in the early 90s.
I wanna agree but the guy has no personality, kinda of dry.
He's another Henry Cavill type, just a pretty boy with hardly any uniqueness or personality.
Haven't gotten much from him
@@spenser9908 Tell me you've never seen Cavill in the _Goodbye Mr Chips_ remake without directly saying so.
@@harbl99 Meh, mid at best. Some sub-par attempt at crying. Let's see him perform the opening scene from Glengarry Glen Ross.
Thinking about the great films Henry Cavil could now be doing if Hollywood was still how it used to be makes me hate Hollywood even more
I often say the same thing about Adam driver, he could easily be one of the greatest actors of all time, he’s sadly just been born into the wrong generation of Hollywood where majority of scripts are trash & directors are activists.
Cavill is constantly sabotaged by the Rock. It's a well-known thing. The Rock wanted Bond, got told flat out no, then heard that Cavill was in the running for a bit, and did everything he could to sabotage Cavill over that and many other roles. The Rock sabotages a lot of people he considers "competition". He's well-known for it.
@@thelastmotel
The Rock sounds pretty insecure.
What a loser.
My God Henry is so handsome, that man needs to freeze his sperm and share it with all the female population in the world.
@@thelastmotelThat's why he brought Cavill in Black Adam?
*Dwayne Johnson’s failed takeover at DC leads him back to Fast and Furious* and already he’s got his own spin off movie in that franchise coming out… it’s literally all about him.
Him and Jason Stathem, but big deal am I right?
There was already a Hobbs and Shaw movie so why is the media making it seem like this is a first? Was Hobbs and Shaw that forgettable or something.
@@tylermeyer2163 judging from the box office revenue it got, yes.
@@tylermeyer2163 It was a good movie, but people loved Shaw more then Hobbs
The Rock was going to take over the Fast and Furious but then they had dopey Vin Diesel unrealistically beat him in a one on one fight.
Critical Drinker and The Boys: "Do you seriously believe your own hype that much?"
The Rock: *"I AM THE HYPE!!!!"*
Hire him to play Vegeta.
Crowd: What?
@@AmitCinematicUniverse won’t lie, it might be funny to hear him scream “Kakarot! Where is your Saiyan pride?!”
A fusion of vegeta and nappa
@@AmitCinematicUniverse more like Mr Satan.
Drinker is 100% right i love old movies like 1930s -2005 , movie stars used to make a horrible low budget set and silly writing into classics just by being there!
Many years ago an actor was doing an interview and was asked how he managed to get parts in so many projects. His answer was that when he needed to work, he would go hang out at the studio's cafeteria. If somebody saw him hanging around odds were good that he would be approached to do a few days of shooting for a minor role in a movie and get another pay check.
That is how Hollywood worked back in the 1940s - 1960s. If you see an old WW2 movie and some big stars had some minor roles, you can pretty much be assured their agent didn't make phone calls. They just hung out in the cafeteria and they were approached to do a minor gig role.
The Rock is crumbling because of his mountain-level ego and narcissistic view of priding himself to be the pigeonholed Big Tough Guy who never loses and can never accept any roles that don't let him do that.
A one trick pony.
Temuera Morrison is cooler
Than the Rock
@@chasehedges6775 hes older though so he can't act much
Imagine the rock taking on a vulnerable loser type of role that'd really put him on the map and show his acting chops that is if he has in him
Just like Taika Waititi's script writing ability
What you mean like? The tooth fairy? Grid Iron Gang? Pain and gain? 😂
Henry cavil deserves so much, and the fact he’s willing to call out writers is something we need so much more of
Agreed, we bitch and moan about Star Wars and Indy, but we never call out the actors who read the crappy scripts and do the movies anyway.
Jenna Ortega did the same and got brutalized as well, and she's in her early 20s. And she was fucking right about everything she said about Wednesday's head-in-ass-script
Henry Cavil will be the lead in a remake of The Expendables 30 years from now. Why? Because his "brand" is going to be viewed as toxic and Hollywood is going to start to refuse to work with him. And yeah, if Tom Cruise is still alive 30 years from now, he will be in that movie too. Hell, that movie would like be a "who's who" of Marvel / DC male superhero stars of the 2010s.
I can’t remember the last time I was excited to see a movie because of its cast.. except for jack black in Mario
Oppenheimer?
Mission Impossible? Especially Fallout. Tom Cruise vs. Henry Cavill; the wet dream of stardom these days
@@user-xy7bh5ht1g Henry in a movie means wait for its on a free streaming channel .
@@justme-ti1rh No way, Henry Cavill makes it a must watch.
Dune cast alone was a good reason to see the movie.
Jeremy called The Rock a 'manufactured movie star,' but that wasn't always a bad thing. You can say a lot of things about the 30s, 40s and 50's Studio system, but they knew exactly how to manufacture stars. But it was because the people they chose had charisma, screen presence and could actually act.
There's a difference between lab made diamond and lab made fake meat ... Back then they were all diamonds
It's different because the movies were successful. The Rock has never had a bona-fide mega hit movie where he's the solo protagonist.
I'd take it one step further. They knew how to perform. Actors had to act, sing, and dance. Those skills might not be in every production, but you had to have a versatile skill set to get the lead roles in major projects. And if you were on production, odds are you were in dance, sing, or acting classes honing your skills even more.
Tom Cruise Retrospective:
The Teen Heartthrob Era - 1983-1988
The Serious Actor Era - 1989-1999
The Jackie Chan Era - 2000-Present
My problem with The Rock is he plays the same character in EVERY movie. He's always the comedy goofy character that makes jokes to break tension and it's usually in some crazy over the top action film.
He desperately needs a movie where he's serious 100% through it AND has a good plot.
It's sad really. Hobbs was the best addition to the Fast and Furious franchise in Fast Five (I think Fast Five is still the best one because of The Rock really). After Furious 7, he's just The Rock with Superman ability, not really Hobbs that was at best in Fast Five
Have you seen the movie faster it is basically that
@@LebahG4nteng Yeah, Hobbs in Fast 5 was the best. Maybe the Rock should stick to villain roles
@@LebahG4nteng Yeah he was actually pretty good in Fast Five. He was intimidating and had a commanding presence on screen. He was the best part of that movie in my opinion. Fast Five was the last Fast and Furious movie I enjoyed from start to finish. After that they started getting ridiculous.
@@m.c.martin Black Adam was really the closest we could get for The Rock as a villain. There are times where he's very impressive as the character but there also other times where he's just a watered down
Because nowadays it's not about the money, it's about sending the message.
Everything burns
For MODERN AUDIENCES
I agree with Drinker, Alan Ritchson should be a big star. He was hilarious in Blue Mountain State, and what I saw of Reacher he acquitted himself very well. And he's got presence. Not just his imposing physique, but his personality and natural charisma.
He's a conservative or leans that way. Hollywood is very cliquey.
@Anoneemus Noename, next season is based off a different book, haven’t read them but I expect there’s gonna be a few changes in cast including Neagley but could be wrong
If they recast Jason Momoa as Aquaman Ritchson would be perfect in the role in my opinion.
@Tyler Merry check out smallville if you want to see him as aquaman
@@scott8448 Just started Smallville for the first time so I'll see how he does.
Gotta love someone like Keanu Reeves. He puts everything in his performance and actually contributed his money to make his movies better and to get extra actors into movies he makes. Sure, he had 3 movie franchises that he's going to be remembered for but you see in his work and what he does behind the scenes that he's actually interested in making some good movies that draw audiences.
Great actor and a rock-solid dude outside of making movies.
Henry Cavill is someone I always remember from The Man from UNCLE.
His passion for The Witcher made him a pariah within Hollywood because god forbid he cares about what he is making.
Hopefully, with Warhammer, Henry Cavill can show how he deserves to be a movie star.
I love that movie too! He was great! I'm a Henry fan but I don't watch a movie simply because he's in it (the vapid Enola Holmes movies, for example) but he's done one with Bruce Willis (can't remember the name) and another where he's a cop going after a serial killer (again, blanking on the name, tho Nathan Fillion had a cameo in it).
It's supposed to be a cinematic universe though. No matter how good of a start it has, sooner or later it will turn to crap.
@@2012sonorayeah, I fear he's flying too close to the sun with that idea.
Tom Cruise made movies like collateral, Interview with a Vampire, Tropic Thunder and A Few Good Men he's really an actor first and you don't see that much anymore
The Rock isn't actually easy to work with, though. Didn't he demand Black Adam wouldn't be a villain, ruining Shazam 2?
That's not 'difficult to work with'. That's on a contractual level; but the man, himself, is a delight.
People love working with Dwayne.
@@danjonmills Sure, sure. Are you his one of his PR / hype team, or just a simp?
@@thefallenfaith1986 Yeah, an actor who demands the reworking of his character in someone else’s movie because he needs to be the star of any show … doesn’t sound like someone “people love working with”! 😂
Who you villain is or isn't doesn't ruin a film or make it worse. What ruined shazam was its generic, disposable plot, lack of effort to progress the characters, and the fact its was at tail end of a now ending era of the movies. Dwayne is a great guy but he's not perfect. He has in recent times been a petty control freak.
@@thefallenfaith1986That's dumb. Whether he has a friendly reputation or not is pretty basic, no simping required. I'm not really a fan of his movies but... There's no stories about him tipping the valet $0 or whatever, or screaming at staff, whatever the usual Hollywood crap. That type of stuff spreads quickly.
The Rock during the Attitude Era was a pretty great villain. I remember being excited to see him in The Rundown. Now, seeing "Johnny Dicklez and the Nutless Squirrel starring the Rock" is almost a meme at this point....
I loved him in Faster, but he also only said maybe a total 100 words in the whole movie.
I grew up on Corporate Rock
But honestly he was pretty good in Rundown, Doom, Walk Tall, and Be Cool. It felt like he had some range
@Dirty Jack Burgundy I loved those movies too! I haven't seen him in anything since his role in the Fast franchise. To be fair tho, I just don't watch a lot of movies anymore. Waste of time.
Instead I have video games, books (I have Kindle Unlimited and have saved my hubby THOUSANDS lol) and craft hobbies (kids are about all grown and leaving home, so I have lots of free time. Learning to can veggies is my next endeavor)
Movies simply aren't worth the time investment anymore, especially since they don't ENTERTAIN, which is their purpose.
The Rock showed his true colours as a money motivated sellout when he endorsed Biden and Kamala, just so he can remain the highest paid actor
Rocks fellow wrestling friend, Dave Batista. Just check his work , he really tries to find serious filmmakers and perform role/turn into character. I got loads of respect for him because of that.
His Blade Runner 2049 part is better than anything Rock did
Drax the Destroyer bro
The Rock is a literal ROCK in the movie industry.
Another great example of an intense performance is Noomi Rapace as Lisbeth Salander in Girl with the Dragon Tattoo. Each film is very close to the books, and to follow her story, character arc up to the court case in the final film had me totally sold on her performance.
I had previously known absolutely nothing about the Girl With the Dragon Tatoo franchise, and I found the movies to be so good I read the books.
Rooney Mara as Lisbeth was pretty good too, such a shame that they didn't make a sequel to that movie
@@LebahG4nteng
They made a sequel, but replaced Rooney with Claire Foy. The movie was shit, but she turned in a decent performance.
If you wanna see Noomi's range, watch her in _What Happened to Monday?_ She plays seven different characters, and they're all unique. I had a ton of fun watching that movie.
@@The_Isaiahnator I saw that, yeah I'm a fan of Claire Foy, I liked her performance but yeah the movie just wasn't good
I still feel there’s some out there, Cruise, Crow, Bale…but they are a dying breed
👍👍👍👍
Keanu Reeves?
Bale is nowehere near in the same league as Cruise or Keanu Reeves the guy doesn't put buns on seats
@@ta0paipai Bale could be but due to when he came to prominence unfortunately betrayed his chance
Imagine that Ian McKellen was sitting alone in a green-room while filming The Hobbit and the dude started crying while murmuring "This is not why I became an actor."
It just shows there are still actors who care for their craft.
The Rock's best movie was "The Rundown"......from twenty years ago
Just watched that the other night, still pretty fun. I forgot how absolutely ridiculous Chris Walken was in that.
@@bryan81584 Did you hear the cowbells?
agree, It the only one I can watch more then once, less steroids and ego.
When someone talks about The Rock, I think of The Rundown. Such a fun movie. "Getouttahere Monkey!"
That's my favorite Rock movie. Tons of action and comedy with some crazy creative choices, i.e., acrobatic jungle men teaming up on The Rock, dual-wielded pump-action shotguns, and henchmen with bullwhips.
Im surprised the panel didn't discuss leo di capreo. He started out as a teen heart throb but he avoided being type cast, picked his scripts well, took on difficult roles, won an Oscar and his name is a draw.
Leo does carry movies so I agree here.
I honestly thought he retired to devote himself full time to being an activist can't think of anything he's been in for 10 years or so
@@johntabler349
A Netflix movie with the first wahman ever, JLaw.
@@johntabler349he did the most recent Tarantino movie. And was amazing.
@@vanessac1721 not a fan of either but I am glad you enjoyed it
TOM CRUISE skipping the Oscars was such a Boss move !
What a LEGEND 😂
Taylor Kitsch was just in "The Terminal List" with Chris Pratt, and Taylor was great. I hope he gets the credit he deserves as a much better actor than biography would claim. And yes, "John Carter" was better than it's reputation, too!
I could envisage John Wayne becoming a house hold name again when the Western revival replaces the slop that Marvel churns out once Disney's done with the licence.
Hello fellow Cobber. Most of the "new" movies I watch these days are at least as old as me, if not way older. This goes for music too.
Why discover new movies and new music when there's still a heck of a lot of stuff out there that's been road tested by audiences over many decades and are still said by many to stand the test of time.
I can put up with obviously fake backdrops any day over lifeless CGI. And you know you're going to get none of that in old movies (same goes for guaranteeing not to get even a hint of autotune in old music).
I will put a caveat. Unless they are the truly grand scale movies of their time, I can't really enjoy watching a lot of movies prior to the 1960s and still never was able to cotton onto John Wayne. I never gave Westerns a chance but for some reason, in recent years I've got hooked on Spaghetti Westerns: I think like a good pizza, they have the cheese in all the right places.
As for music, it's the same. I think the end of the code era, and the change in cultural thinking produced some great creative movies and music throughout the 60s and the 70s. But unlike Tarantino, I still LOVE a lot of 80s high production blockbuster stuff too.
There was a bit of a late 60s, early 70s revival in the 90s, but a lot of that gradually faded away.
Plot twist: Uncle Phil set up Will with Jada as long term revenge
I spit out my coffee on this comment! 👏👏👏
I think one of the simplest reasons movie stars are dying out is because they need good movies to back them up. If someone only appears in mid to bad movies, why should anyone get excited for what's to come? Part of the reason Tom Cruise and Christ Pratt have prominence is because they're in movies people actually like.
I can understand the need of therapist on set. What I can't figure out for the life of me is the need of one for a fight scene where you are swinging a larp sword against a greenscreen.
“You know that they are looking in a mirror; absolutely in a mirror…and it’s the beginning of a lifelong romance.” 😍
-Christopher Lee (in an interview)
I'm going to say it again. Henry Cavill is awesome.
He is severely mid.
The Rock has the range of a rock.
I've had enough of watching modern movies, so last night I decided to watch one that came out 53 years ago and it was brilliant.
Richard Harris and Alec Guinness in Cromwell. Amazing acting, fantastic script and not one purple haired loon in sight.
I find I'm looking to old films more and more. Cromwell is a great example.
Cromwell is fantastic. And a young Timothy Dalton in it too.
I watched the 1978 version of the invasion of the body snatchers last week and even as a low budget film it was compelling.
Rolls well acted but very dated film.
If you liked Cromwell then I recommend checking out 1964's The Fall of the Roman Empire and 1970's Julius Caesar.
I would still include Leonardo DiCaprio and Brad Pitt as modern movie stars. Especially DiCaprio who’s still starring in quality films.
agree, Leonardo does have some roles that people know he carried the film.
Man, young Leo really bring teenage girls to the cinema
0:52 Sean bean in LOTR didn’t like the helicopter ride up the mountain, so he’d set of super early, in full characters outfit and bike the f-ing mountain, then did his scene, of which was them, CLIMBING A MOUNTAIN! So it definitely came across in his performance.
Sean Bean is one of my favs. Totally underrated
Sean Bean did it because he didn't like heights (understandable)
Viggo Mortensen did that same thing just because.
Poor Sean, always dies before the end of the movie.
Vin Diesel also did "Find Me Guilty"
amazing underrated,
The only thing I remember of The Rock was Scorpion King and Doom lol
Just wanted to say I loved watching the drinker seems so calm and chill this stream. Especially during 16:20, kinda warmed my heart seeing him make such an innocent joke with his mates.
The Rock’s most memorable movies were his earlier efforts. For me, the Rundown is his best film, and his supporting role in Be Cool was one of the highlights of the film!
The modern Era of the 2020s have killed the movie star. Entertainment, with a few exception of actual good films and shows that exist to entertain, are dead.
External influences from other types on entertainment, mostly handheld devices, streaming and social media. Knowledge is now anywhere you have your phone and movie stars have even less privacy. Before they had some sort of mystery about who they were off camera. Now they put their lives on Instagram and they even have their own reality shows. Decline in movie tickets because people are not so keen on going to cinemas as they once were.
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Vin Diesel is so memorable in Riddick and Chronicles of Riddick. plot sucked, cgi was real 2000'sy, but Diesel's performance stole the show for me. Granted, the character didnt have too much depth, but Diesel can really play the "unstoppable force" role
Thinking about Nic Gage, Liam Neeson, Hugh Jackman and to a smaller extent Keanu Reeves as well only getting good roles every now and then.
Tom Hardy is about the only movie/tv actor that I'll watch something just because he's in it.
There’s still a few for most people but nowhere near the general reaction they used to get
does his face being covered actually make tom hardy's acting better?
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Tom Hardy is a rare breed of an actor. Real talent, who can morph into anyone
This. Fury Road did not become a success only because of its technical aspects but the adversity the actors and creators had to endure on set.
Shooting in the desert for weeks after having to move to another CONTINENT to make the movie.
Hardy and Theron hating the guts of each other (which translates awesome to their fight scene).
Hardy having it with the entire production so much that later he apologized Miller for being so short on faith about his film.
It all shines through.
The way Henry Cavill has been screwed over so many times is heartbreaking!
He deserves better.
@@chasehedges6775 Agreed, he should be Superman and he should be the next James Bond (in my opinion).
@@anaisgohy3411 His Superman was such a sourpuss. He didnt portray the character correctly at all.
@@Chaz4543 That was because he wasn't allowed to, the director and studio had a different vision. When he announced his return as the character his condition was a comic book and character-accurate portrayal of the character (before he got booted out).
Worst Superman Ever.
Recast the Role Immediately.
What are you guys talking about, The Rock is awesome!
Directed by Michael Bay, starring Nick Cage, Sean Connery and Ed Harris and music by Hans Zimmer, what's not to like?
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Nobody ever mentions how awesome Ed Harris was in that movie (or anything). thanks
Especially when you consider the fact that it was the last "James Bond" film. 👍
Jai Courtney got a HUGE push from like 2012 to 2016 before he disappeared off the face of the earth
Isn't it funny how he happened to star in 5th entries of both Terminator and Die Hard?
@@Ziomaletto Die Hard, Terminator, Divergent, Suicide Squad, Frankenstein, Jack Reacher; Jai had a better 4 year run than most actors can dream of
He didn't sell his soul and become a peodophile. Good on him
People who watched blue mountain state knew how good of an actor alan was. Thad was a hilarious character
great show
" I'll give ya a hint, it rhyme's with best bros........ "
My first thought 😂😂
@@bwhere45 Yeah I first saw him in BMS, and then when I heard he was doing Reacher I was skeptical, but man did he knock it out of the park. Phenomenal show that stayed true to the source material.
Back in the day, James Cameron was legendary for having brutally difficult sets. In the Abyss, he drove many of his actors to tears shooting that film. He had similar grueling shoots for his Terminator movies. Not sure about his later movies though.
"I'm one of the five people on the planet that likes terminator salvation." *Immediately cuts to black screen*
The days of macho film making are over. Think Lawrence of Arabia or Apocalypse Now. Christ, Martin Sheen had a heart attack in the middle of the jungle, recovered and went back to finish the movie. Just imagine what the Ride of the Valkyries scene would look like today. CGI rubbish, that was shot over 40 years ago. Having said that Tom Cruise is keeping the spirit alive.
Movies from the 2010s were pretty good but even they wouldn’t be able to get made in this decade.
You have to go to the very artsy, smaller, original movies and shows to attain the level of quality that most films had before the current era of Hollywood. Shows like Atlanta, The Bear, Beef, Euphoria and most A24 movies like Good Time, Uncut Gems, Funny Pages, The Lighthouse, The Witch, Hereditary, and The Whale all were most likely made with 100% effort and sacrifice of the entire cast and crew and it definitely shows. You definitely won’t find the same level of quality control in a corporate product which is what most franchise films are.
You say Euphoria and I immediately think of the show with Sydney Sweeney's boobs. Damn shame.... I must be cleansed
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That’s actually the show 😂
Taylor Kitsch nailed it in Terminal List Jeremy, he's a great actor. Also, I like Terminator Salvation too, that makes 6 of us!
Small note: I love Terminator Salvation. I liked it at the time of release, and it's aged like wine after the release of Genesis and Dark Fate. It had a decent cast who could actually act and actually tried to expand on previous entries instead of just crapping on them.
I honestly enjoyed it as a movie but it was also a dream come true since I'd seen Terminator as a kid (Reese's dream sequence of a battle). A movie focused on the war. Not another rehash of the "future robot in modern times" which is literally every other terminator movie.
Loved the movie too, my only gripe was the ending, the heart transplant thing was extremely weak, they actually had no reason to kill of Sams character since they already have an established timeline for sending the T800 back in time, so having a terminator hybrid on their side for the actual war wouldn't change much. Plus, a heart transplant in a field hospital? The amount of immunosuppressant drugs one requires when they get an organ transplant would basically be a death sentence in that world.
@@TheSmokingMustache Got to agree with you there, the whole ending seemed kinda rushed tbh
Yeah I love it too.
I worked as a camera flyer at Perris Valley skydiving in Perris CA. They used have had a LOT of actors come there to learn to jump, typically for films: Tom Cruise (not sure the film); Patrick Swayze for Point break, etc. I worked there in the early 2000's for a season, and those guys had been there years before me. I was talking with someone a couple years ago that had been there, and was the stunt man for a lot of things (Austin Powers in the opening scene of 2; one of the bands members of Wilco for a video). He told me they used to have people from Hollywood there regularly, it was just something you got used to after a period. He was there for a couple years before Covid, and said that the only actors or musicians that he's seen come there by that point were the ones who are skydivers themselves and just jump for fun.
You could make a justifiable argument that CGI has made it unnecessary for them to do it anymore, but I think that's a different thing all together. That's more of a statement of "practical vs CGI." I'm looking at it more in the context of films that were done with real people doing the stunts, and the fact that none of the actors today even fight to do their own stunts. I understand the whole insurance and liability argument, but there are still actors doing their own stunts in spite of that, and there are a lot of actors who constantly fight to do their own stunts in spite of the fact that they might not win. I think the younger generation of actors DO care about the work, it's just that their priorities are completely different from what they were in decades past. It does seem more about "them." Most actors have some narcissism to them to one degree or another, it's just one of those professions that attract that type, politicians are another. I don't really have an issue with self promotion, but it seems like the younger batch have gone to a whole nother (is that even a word? Google voice says it is) level. Now it's about self-idealization. It's like the films or shows are merely vehicles, a means to an end, at opposed to the ends themselves.
John Carpenter made his actors work on freezing sets for the The Thing 1982 and it really shows. The actors were also freaked out by the practical effects. One of the best horror movies ever.
The best one in my humble opinion. Pure horror perfection.
The grand irony is the audience now has a better idea of what the world is actually like, but the film industry only exists in fantasy
Ed Norton getting fired from the hulk makes a lot more sense now.
Plus, the 2008 hulk movie was mediocre as heck
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No it wasn’t it was a good start after the 2003 debacle
He was fired because he was rewriting the script.
Edward Norton has a fraction of talent of his fictional counterpart played by Art Carney.
@Chase Hedges67 good actor. Bad script. Cant blame him for trying to make it better lol.
Actors used to go through stuff. In the scene where Malcolm McDowell is being reprogrammed in A Clockwork Orange, apparently, those eye clamps were scraping Malcoms eyeballs, damaging his corneas and led to temporary blindness Could you imagine modern actors going through agony for their art? Hell, didn't they have to give Morfydd Clark counciling to deal with PTSD after the fight scenes in Rangs of Power?
Ryan Reynolds is more of a star than Chris Pratt. Deadpool was not an easy thing to do, and you could see him paying his dues to pull it off in the worst wolverine movie and the worst blade movie. That guy deserves the world.
Totally. Pratt got too big too fast because Hollywood had a leading man vacuum. They’ve stretched him beyond his talents.
Recently rewatched the bourne identity. It may not be entirely believable, but the amnesiac character still had more emotional pull and internal consistency than anything I've seen in the last few years
Jaquien Phoenix had an incredible portrayl in joker. A lot of scenes had Phoenix improvising. I.e. the scene where he climbs in the fridge and there's a long drawn out shot of him just sitting in there. It makes for such a great scene and immersion experience having a cast member really embrace their character
Over hyped... was good. That's it
Keanu Reeves another one I think that’s a big bankable household name. He actually cares about making movies like Tom Cruise does. Keanu was big in the 90s with action films like Point Break, Speed, and The Matrix, and then he had a career resurgence of sorts in 2014 with the first John Wick film, then that franchise took off and became one of the biggest action franchises ever. I just think it’s cool how an actor that was big 30 years ago and was already known for iconic roles like Neo can come back in his 50s with another character and franchise that becomes even bigger than what he was known for before. John Wick as a character now is iconic, everyone knows who he is. It’s a rarity to get an original character like that nowadays that becomes iconic, since everything is comic book movies and remakes. John Wick is the only one I can think of in recent years.
The Rock is basically like Stallone if Stallone was only famous for Rhinestone and F.I.S.T.
Perfect analogy.
The best performance of Dwayne Johnson is voicing Maui in "Moana" :P
I am not a fan of Tom Cruise, but damn, he's the best thing in Tropic Thunder. Haven't seen that film in ages, need to rewatch it xd
Taylor Kitsch appeared with Chris Pratt in The Terminal List.
I bought The Blue Dahlia on DVD a few weeks ago and it was made in 1942 and it’s still a firm classic from the Golden Age of Hollywood and Alan Ladd, Humphrey Bogart, John Wayne, Jimmy Stewart & Cary Grant drew people to the cinemas with their ability, their looks, charm and suave demeanour but most importantly they knew their audiences & they played a multitude of different characters with the same qualities their respective audiences loved.
Great film with support from William Bendix. Search out more Film Noir, you won't be disappointed!
Ryan , Taylor K was great in recent show that everyone liked.
Show about marine with Chris Pratt! He was his friend , CIA guy who lived on a boat. He was literally almost in every episode 😁
Two things about movie starts that are essential are presence and mystery. A movie star doesn't need to be a great actor to command our attention. Social media, of course, has destroyed the mystery element. Before, we hardly knew anything about movie stars, yet we looked up to them and even related to them at times.
It started with the studios, then the 'stars' came to the forefront, next came the directors. Now we're in the age of the IP, which effectively brings us back full circle to the studios since they own the IPs.
Idris Elba is another true movie star. Everything I've seen him in he's been excellent. Everywhere from the father in Beast, to Heimdall in the MCU and he was even great as Knuckles in Sonic 2!
Did you know that The Rock voiced Cliffjumper in Transformers Prime animated show and he had his character killed off because he is not the main lead instead of Peter Cullen being Optimus Prime?
Is this true?
Sam Worthington has the charisma of a doorknob agreed. Michael Fassbender, despite having done some crap movies, is actually a phenomenal actor and one of the best working today. Taylor Kitsch is talented, very good in Friday Night Lights, but not really big movie star material in my opinion.
I remember a crazy video behind the scenes with Harrison Ford on the set of "Indiana Jones and the Last Crusade" talking about losing his hat and Ford just taking a stapler to his head.. It was probably a joke but on some level it wouldn't surprise me either. Another great out take with "Rumble in the Bronx" showing Jackie Chan pulling a rubber mask that looked like a tennis shoe to cover a cast on his damn ankle and he's back to shooting... I don't see that in film today. Tom Cruise I think literally is the LAST movie star.
"Tom Cruise is a bit unhinged" understatement of the year.
Why?
Just because he believes in Lord Xenu?
How do you know Human Souls weren't Trapped in Volcanos Thousands of Years Ago?
It's what we see on the screen that counts.
Cavil and Pratt should do a movie together
How dare you! Reeeee!!!
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It could be called The Bland Leading The Bland.
My favorite actor to watch of all time was Daniel Day Lewis. Man was able to make you believe the character was a real person.
This is why Batista also does not like being compared to The Rock. He's stated before that he transitioned to ACTING so he wants and is looking for roles that will push his acting where he can learn and grow as an ACTOR not just a Rock big muscelly guy. I really like that. If you're becoming an actor, jump in, don't just put you toes in to be safe. Just go for it.
Agreed on the Tom Cruise thing. It's ok to not care for an actor in real life, but love their work. This is pretty accurate across most forms of art. Plenty of musicians that are/were notoriously kind of hated (Buddy Rich is a great example), but their work is admired by nearly everyone.
I think a lot of her earlier films were really good. The Rundown was good. he had a lot of charisma along with general strength vibe, but after a while he did just kind of become a meme.
Vin Diesel is excellent and very believable in Find Me Guilty. You'd be surprised how funny he can be.
Is That where He's in The Mob? And defends Himself in Court etc!? If So Yeah Man that's Funny and A Good Film!
@@eddysandland58 Yup. Very good movie. More people should see it.
@@leekindler7505, Thanks Mate! Now I know! Yeah Man it's Defo a Hidden Vin Diesel Film! That's Not about Family... Aaaagggghhhh Shit it is lol The Mafia is His Family 👪 😂 Cheers 🍻
Another instance of an inflated ego
We would definitely be surprised…
Kitsch was in a Waco film as Koresh and nailed the performance.
Miles Teller has kind of grown on me over the years. He might not be the next big thing or whatever but he is slowly building on his "legacy" films, as y'all put it. Whiplash was fantastic and I think they couldn't have picked a better person to play Goose's kid in Top Gun Maverick. I hope he gets more good roles like that.
To me Henry Cavil is Tom Cruise without the power. Tom has been around for so long that he can dictate what goes in a movie or not. He also makes sure in has his name in Executive Producer so he can make things happen in movies. Tom also been around so long that back in the day until today where "time and grade" matters i.e grandfathered in as mention. Henry can't do that yet because that don't really exist anymore. He's trying to but he can't so he's trying to make his own with Warhammer 40K for example. The Rock is an action hero with no one to fight. In a good chunk of his movies in the middle of his career he's had no one to play off of that's a big name or someone his size to be remember as a on screen threat to him. In the middle of his career it was The Rock vs whatever natural disaster. He had something with Fast and the Furious but his beef with Vin didn't do him any favors and there is too many big name/alpha guys in the movie. His stand alone kind of break was Black Adam but it flopped and I don't get why. I'm sure if they did something with him and Superman and or Shazam a lot of people would come see it.
In a commercial kitchen, we don't hold back with criticism, for the sake of good food and a great customer experience.
I think the same holds true for entertainment.
You have to be able to speak your mind if something tastes or smells like shit.
“People are hungry for movie stars”… well there’s our problem 🤦♂️