I think one cool thing for MD would be like a Puzzle mode where you are given certain cards and have to try to achieve certain conditions (like remove a monster or summon something). That gives a nice way for newer players to get introduced on the easier ones and learn more as they get more advanced.
The WCS preparation survey event thingy showed they clearly know how their own game works but why they don't implement those kind of surveys in game as puzzles was a mystery to me and tbh a huge missed opportunity.
duel puzzles were always really frustrating to me when I was younger, but I definitely appreciate them now. (actually helps give ideas for combos as well as a baseline for interactions i put into decks, etc)
Because Coder knows the game and its problems. Rarran doesn't know the game and has a lot of preconceived notions about the game that are wrong, so half the things he thinks are problems are just him not understanding the picture. Case and Point: Yugioh is over after 2 turns because the player going 1st makes a negate board. We keep hearing this inside the community despite it really not happening for a good while now. Boards aren't big negate boards for the most part. Especially in paper but even MD has now taken steps to remove Adamancipator from the game. Also this idea of yugioh being skillless because everyone just does their combo or loses. Its all stuff you hear from yugiboomers who havent touched the game in years but still stick around the community to talk shit.
@@luminous3558 Facts only a small hand fill of decks still do the big mass negate boards that are not even the best decks to play that usually dies to a hand trap or 2 And yeah there is skill in what the sequencing of the cards you play Yes there are problems with this game, but that is true for all tcgs and the problems Rarran brought up for the most part are not even problems to begin with
@@luminous3558 Yeah it doesn't surprise me Rarran went in thinking YGO was bad as the only experience I think he had before this is guessing whether YGO cards are good or not with Stevie. And Stevie would consistently say every episode that YGO is a bad game. I'm glad Cimo at least gave him a more balanced perspective.
you even have to read in mmos like damn this item gives these stats and it does this(potential actives)? no way dude.. this potion does these buffs? how accessible is it? oh this is an exp % potion i should save it for later to make my grind later easier... when i grind for 10 hours to get like 2 levels :) HELL YEA MMOOOOOOOO
For me, while I read and learn it while playing, I always tried new deck at solo mode. Basically just to know a little gist of what a card can do in some situation, but that just because I actually the learn while you go kinda type. Like when I learn how to drive a car, I'm the type that won't afraid to crash it, cause I'm on learning process, I learn, so I won't crash it when I drove for real. Usually I would go search a some deck suggestion for a deck, try it on solo, see how it works and why it got suggested in the deck, if some cards doesn't feels good to used in the deck, I would try to changed it for another card. Yugioh basically trial and error with deck recipe, you need to analyze yourself what makes the recipe better in some situation.
The solo mode and deck tutorial in MD need an overhaul 100% If the game taught how decks are meant to be built rather than simply played, then the new player experience would be a lot smoother
The tutorials are mid, but I think the issue with rarran's thought process in this is that he just clicked every button thinking that's how to learn a card game
@@DaShikuXIPretty much. I only started playing Yugioh since 2018 and up until now there are still some stuff that I don’t understand, especially convoluted rulings stuff. Tho, having other things to do in life certainly slowed down the process. But that’s precisely why I like Yugioh. It’s because it’s an over complicated card game with scuffed rulings. For some reason, I just like the absurdity and the absolute anarchy in trying to comprehend playing a card game that was meant to be for kids to play. I like how it’s absolutely not beginner-friendly but that didn’t stop me from liking the card game in general. About the fandom tho, now that’s a different story xD
@pietips4077 he read the cards but immediately discarded the information. I don't expect him to memorize every interaction in his deck but the salamangreat vs rikka duel absolutely proved he wasn't even trying to learn. Just discards all of his combo pieces for no reason because he just clicked buttons.
One of my friends described Yugioh as : "The card game equivalent of sitting at a table with another player, placing a high caliber sniper rifle on said table and then getting in a fist fight to grab that gun and shoot the other player point blank." And I am 100% here for that feeling, this feeling is unique to Yugioh and I LOVE it.
This is literally what i love about Yu-Gi-Oh, you just make the most insane board you Can and then you just say "go". And when you manage to break through, it's also so fun. In Yu-Gi-Oh, the more unethical you play the better you are xD. Screw spoly tho that card can go to hell
MBT described this in his video as playing Ultimate Marvel vs Capcom 3 and most players will try to wall combo you from 100% to 0 right out the gate. And yes, this frenetic, yet very complex gameplay is what makes Yugioh stand out from other games of this sort.
Stand out yes, be good? Debatable. I hate the rocket tag the game is to the point I never expect to get a second turn. It's why I play OTKs and floodgates; I'm not getting another round so I need to win or cripple you in one. Even my off meta decks are forced into OTKs cause why expect another turn these days?
@MerlinCross13 I don't fully agree here. It's high pace and requires critical knowledge or at least insight into what your opponent is trying to do, but a good game can take a few turns without floodgates and be interresting. Most of the time, the results are clear by the end of turn 2, but I've played games into the turn 6 or 7 because both played gave it their all. My best game of year so far was an impressive 30m game of Volcanic Spright vs Purrely, where we both threw our all at one another with smart play. Game took 30m over 9 turns to edge the win for game one. Game 2 sadly went to time for a clean draw, but that was the best game I played this year.
@@MerlinCross13I don’t quite fully understand here, if you’re going second, and break your opponent’s board, and set up an interaction, what makes you think they can just effortlessly get over it and win immediately?
I like the fighting game analogy, yugioh IS the fighting game of tcgs. You can go in mashing buttons and have success with bots or someone else mashing buttons. However once you go up against someone who has done the most basic thing of learning what tools they have available, you’ll get absolutely bodied. It takes time to learn this game and should be done through 1 deck but once you have the fundamentals down, transitioning to something new is easy
Agreed. Mechanically, Yugioh is just like any other fighting game. How to attack? PRESS BUTTON. But WHEN to attack? WHICH attack to use? These non-technical considerations form the dynamics of fighting games. Likewise, Yugioh is really simple mechanically. How to normal summon? PUT MONSTER CARD FACE UP IN THE MONSTER ZONE. It's the interactions between cards that trip people up just like how frame data and hitbox properties confuse button mashing casuals.
Also, I would say that you probably should start with some of the most basic structure decks and when you get comfortable with some of the most basic decks that way you can get comfortable with some of the most basic things in the game. Then I'd say go into some of the more advanced decks. As it can get pretty confusing when dealing with things like tuners and no tuners to synchro summon, as well as pendulum summoning as well as Link, Ritual, Fusion and other mechanics in the game.
the expirience you discribed happens with every tcg though , like don't get me wrong yugio is the most fighting game like card game. but I feel like you have never seen how underpowered some newbie decks are.
Exactly. Honestly I started with a really tough deck to learn (Earth Machine), but that actually helped me just go through my newer decks and see some combo lines, however unoptimal they are.
@@thatweirdkid2489 But trying to go into a match against another person with that deck is not going to prepare you for the amount of handtraps that's going to come. Which I think the tutorial should teach.
In my opinion, what makes new players confused is what goal or end board they have to achieve. because the first time I played I was confused about what the combo sequence and ideal end board were like. that is until I saw the Twin Evil video tutorial and understood that Yu-Gi-Oh is not just about monsters with big attacks or lots of monsters on the board. it's about how to defend and interrupt your opponent's turn.
@@arandomcrusader8822 this is just a super goofy take. now-a-days, there are a bunch of decks that ,while they are still meta, are not hard to play through. i cannot think of a single deck that is meta right now. that actively stops you from playing the game. and if your opponent does end up stopping your combo. that just means that you they the interaction necessary to stop you. often times, this can be solved by having board breakers or interaction of your own. you cannot play yugioh and expect for your opponent to not have interaction for you.
Imo Yugioh is like a tower defense You build your own defense and your opponent tries to destroy it and if you didn't lose in that turn you can also try to rebuild it
Facts, i was baffled when i first picked up salads that basically the ideal board is an 1800 monster + 1 trap, until i learned more about the playstyle. BUT The problem is that you can't teach new players what the general wincon/turn 1 board should be, until they already know what deck they're playing (or playing against), since they're all wildly different. A board full of negates is obviously good, but sometimes it's a single body with a macro effect. Sometimes it's a 5000 atk towers with *no* effect. Sometimes it's a trap or two. The diversity in yugioh decks is simultaneously my favorite thing about the game, and the thing that makes it extremely tough to teach/learn
I've taught a few people yugioh and what worked pretty good was to just get 2 starter decks of every era. So you start from the start and learn the basics, you then add on to those basics with new mechanics. Once the basics are there, get 1 deck and go from there. This way you have a decent basis, understand the existing mechanics and you dont get shredded all day long and dont overwhelm yourself with 100 combo lines. You could also go into certain formats and get some decks and learn it in these steps. Edit: grammar
This is a genuinely amazing idea I've never even thought of something close to this when teaching people but i honestly probably will use this when later on I help people learn
Imagine that someone actually trying to learn the game and having fun it’s crazy 😂 his whole point of tryna hop on and not getting it so calling it a shit game is crazy
That's fine but his point was that as a new player he had no way to learn in an enjoyable fashion he completed the tutorial made his decks and played if the average person can't understand it like that yu gi oh can't grow@@bdiax
@@gostode1709however. From the way rarran started this with the mindset of “yugioh is bad, I’m going to play it to prove it’s bad.” And when you start with a mindset like this it is physically impossible to learn because your subconscious is constantly telling you “nothing is your fault, it’s the games fault”. Rarran is right that yugioh doesn’t do enough to aid new players. But that’s not what he was trying to prove. He was trying to prove yugioh at its core is objectively worse.
@@Magevast9He was proving that yugioh (master duel actually), is very bad at introducing the actual gameplay to newer players. Nothing in the tutorials can prepare new players to play against modern era decks. They don't even teach you handtraps which are vital in current formats.
I’ve seen a lot of people react to this video but coders reaction I agree with the most, he was clicking buttons and not reading, he even said he was, so he wasn’t activly trying to “learn” yugioh, he was simply clicking buttons on master duel, huge difference.
to play devils advocate, a paragraph of text is quite intimidating. honestly, if the text were seperated to bullet points, it'll make it easier to read. example, i was puzzled on why construct is so good, and recently, i noticed that i miss one sentence that says, if this card battles a special summoned monster, pop it.
@@rafi...___ Or you can just read the card. Fully. I understand that people can miss some text. Hell, I miss text plenty of times. But that's my fault. Besides, Rarran is a grown ass man, he can read the fucking card text instead of whining about it. He did it for Hearthstone, Magic, and whatever Magic derivative games he played in order to learn what the keywords(which no, you don't magically know what they do and mean by reading the keyword alone) do.
@@rafi...___ Not only because of the size of text it takes time to remember everything the cards do and all the ways they interact with one another, to know what is best to pitch for effect X what is best to special summon or to send to grave etc. That is unless you watch a tutorial video or read a guide on it. And that kinda is Rarran point, Yugioh you can't understand the archetype by simply reading the cards just like you can't even comprehend what end board your opponent is trying to get into to try to interact if you already don't know their combo/archetype. It is incredible difficult and time consuming to try to improve and understand Yugioh on your own and on others game you can go pretty far alone, specially if you have played other card games. I like yugioh due to the anime and I think it can be fun sometimes but other is a lot of BS with how powerful some of the meta cards are versus others, the power creep is pretty dumb in Yugioh. I really love Gravekeepers and I keep trying to play the deck on master duel when I play it. I keep on trying some things that seems like it can work on deck until I can get a list I'm satisfied with. However I also want to play Gravekeepers and not just play Necrovally, Commandant and 1~2 copies of Spiritualist and the rest of the deck is floodgates or engines of others archetypes because I'm only playing Necrovalley and like 1 Graveekeper in a Graveekeper Deck. To me that is not an Gravekeeper deck... I also really love big dumb powerful Synchro monsters due to the anime, like Shooting Quasar Dragon and Red Nova Dragon however I don't even try to understand and build on my own synchro decks and combo lines since that is waaaay to complicated and time consuming so I just wait to see lists people make, what are the combo lines, try out it a bit on solo until I can understand it and then tweak a bit the list with what I prefer
@@rafi...___ idk let me just not read solflachord cards from a deck i ripped off some guys and click on yellow buttons surely that will work and make something :) and then i will not read any of my opponents cards and simply hope i have set up interruption somehow miraculously
I kinda agree with Coder about not giving new people too much of a choice in the beginning. When Master Duel launched I was kinda just playing yugioh casually on those simulators like Nexus or smth. I started Master Duel by playing Invoked Shaddolls and it really helped me learn stuff in depth, I had no idea how to link at that point, bc I never really link summoned before, an now Im a meta sheep so...
I strongly recommend rogue decks or at least somewhat competitive ones to new players (also handtraps) to give them a way to intuitively learn how modern games go by and adapt to it. I guess examples are tri-bri, dark magician, hero, swordsoul, or despia(despia is literally nerfed to the point an ash can hard stop it)
The thing is u picked a good deck to start with. Normal summon Alister is easy and has clear resource loop, plus as Coder said when the normal summon is so important, only having 1 choice doesn’t overwhelm new players. It’s just a shame that MD launched with Rhongo and Drytron.
Md can really help picking up new decks cause it shows you everything when i read punks i was like wtf are they even doing how do i use them. I tried it on md and quickly understood what the deck wants to be and how you play it. Rarran should have picked an easier deck to learn idk eldlich or something more controll based cause combodecks have way to much gas
@@constabrielbell4523i agree playing with a way to weak deck like dragonmaid isnt a good idea the cards are way to gimmicky and bad except a few ones like chamber. DM its a way easier deck to understand even if youre not a pro ending on eternal soul plus circle and a DM on hand or grave is so easy. Swordsoul is another easy deck cause moye is a one card combo on her own and you just need to read longjuan to know he is the guy you add with your chixiao + its one of the coolest looking decks i still love it
As someone who started playing Yugioh via Master Duel a little over a year ago now, I can attest that it does indeed take time to learn the game, hell I still don't know what half of the cards in the game do, but I still play and enjoy the game if merely on a casual level and can understand most of the time what's going on even watching your videos or those of other Yugitubers. I think it really just comes down to how willing someone is to actually learn the game, putting time and effort into it, the game is very complicated I will wholeheartedly agree. I picked up the game starting with Madolche, and I've used strictly that deck if not like 90% of the time, maybe trying out other rogue stuff like DM or Roids in the past, but I've constantly practiced and tried my absolute most at learning and improving with that same Madolche deck, trying new cards in place of old ones or rebuilding the deck from scratch. Even to this day, I hardly know all the ins and outs of the deck and other decks in the meta, nor fully know how to build them in an optimal way, but the game is still fun regardless of its complexities in my opinion. Even when I lose majority of the time, I still usually understand what I did wrong and how I can improve, reading and learning the cards and combos, and especially thanks to content creators who pour so much more time into the game than I. Long ass paragraph aside, keep doing what you do, Coder Your content is peak
Expecting to learn YuGiOh like you learn Hearthstone is like trying to learn Age of Empires by playing Risk. They are both top-down strategy games but play fundamentally different and at different paces.
Rarran claimed on his Livestream to have read the cards in his deck before dueling, but didn't include that in the video, cuz that'd be boring to watch (which i agree with tbh). But i also think he should have included that information in the video. He probably just didn't retain any of the information about the cards after reading them once each back to back, which would have probably happened to me too... Still i do agree with some of the points you raised, especially that one should figure out the thing a deck wants to do before you jump into a duel. This seems obvious even to me, who has never touched this game
He did show multiple clips of him basically reading one sentence then giving up, so the information he DID provide in the video was that he was deliberately trying to make it harder for himself. What he chose to show in the video was deliberately misleading at best. In terms of something like the Dragonmaid deck you can easily remember, "Okay so they all bounce back to the hand and summon their big forms so you can swing, which then bounce back to the hand after battle phase to bring back the waifu forms which you use to grind, and that's what they want to be doing." I never even played the deck and can internalize that much.
@@Zetact_He is new to playing yugioh so every card is new to him. So each play that's being made by the opponent he has to read almost a full paragraph. You have to admit that is a daunting task to pile on on top of his own cards that he has to read again to make sure what they do. I played yugioh since 2007 and we have to be realistic with what new players are experiencing in master duel😂
@@luqmanloki4803 Then you have 2 options. Either bite the bullet and try to learn what your cards do then go from there to learn what the opponents cards do or go to another game. Smashing your head against a wall for 4 hours straight while not even realizing that the red ball on the corner of your cards means is a fire atribute monster is just...
@@luqmanloki4803 I get not understanding his opponent's cards but he shows for instance reading Salamangreat Heatleo where he reads, "If this card is Link Summoned, you can target 1 card in your opponent's - okay." and just throws it in. He showed in the video him reading half a sentence and skipping the rest.
@@waiyon1951 he just jumped straight into pvp mode after wiki searching the playstyle and watching some combo videos so he hasn't tested it out in ai duels or read his cards before pvp. (in short: rarran jumped without looking and got punished for it)
@@sunnyshine4513 might just be some people's preference but i always kinda just try and pilot a new deck/archetype against AI first so i can get a feel for the deck before jumping into rank, since it's more stress free
@@defectivesickle5643 it does if you get lucky enough to match make into another starter deck player... yea but people will end up smurfing so rip actual new players XD
I commented under Rarran's video that in every tcg you have to learn what a deck does. There is no deck in any tcg that you can pick up and immediately know the ins and outs of it. His problem was that he didn't learn what either Dragonmaid or Salad does.
The best way to describe Yu-Gi-Oh compared to other card games is that it is a fighting game, More specifically combo-based fighting games like Arc system works games. Going into solo mode and saying yes to everything is like going into training mode or arcade mode and spamming buttons instead of learning actual combos. You need to learn the ins and outs of your deck before you start playing against other people you need to learn how to do your bread and butter against CPUs who are more forgiving than against actual people. And then when you go against actual people and you see your bread and butter isn't working that's how you learn neutral, aka hand traps and knowing when to use them The fact that even in casual mode this guy bombed so bad is like going into a green room in any arcs game and spamming buttons while everybody else is doing a beginner level bread and butter combo.
It's also like learning to play chess in two hours and then going to a chess tournament, getting destroyed by everyone, and then complaining chess sucks and is too hard.
@@HumanoidCableDreads This only works when you admit the only way to play in town is going to a chess Tournament. Glad to know the only way to play yugioh is ultra competitive meta decking. Gee I wonder the game is hard for newbies to get into.
I think what alot of people misunderstand about Coder being upset at this guy is that he isn't upset at him being bad, but rather his attitude toward the game because of ignorance. Its like saying 'tennis sucks, I can't play it and the lines are so dumb on the court. Why can't I just hit the ball anywhere?' Not realizing why the lines are there and to fully appreciate the game you have to know why and understand the skill it takes to hit them inside those boundaries.
Yup, and tbf, some of the point is kinda true imo. Like the tutorial isn't very good for new player. That's why his chat suggested to get couch, and I don't think they mean for a hard couch (like for comboing or in depth situation), but more like the basic stuff. Cause I think it's better to learn Yugioh from how it started in the 1st place, just ignore any weird system like pendulum, link, etc. Then slowly getting into a much more hard part latter. Obviously if you learn Yugioh from zero and learning Link right away, it's like learn how to using a bicycle by using your foot to move.
@@TheMattVis His whole point was if you need to go get outside resource to play a card game then it's not really a good card game in the first place. Someone can read the rulebook of any card game and go get a starter deck of some kind and be able to understand what to do with their deck within like 10 games. MD and like 90% of the YGO playerbase shitting on him cant have the view of a new player that wants to get into the game with literally no help. It's exactly what the konami shareholders are concerned about.
Just for the record, I don't think that Coder was too hard with Rarran. YES, YGO is a fucking complicated 'mess' which will take you hours, days sometimes weeks to get a good start. The two things I think that gatekeep the most are: 1) the huge cardtexts in itself and 2) the amount of summon mechanics and with that specific rules. What I loved extremely was Coders example with Tekken. I restarted YGO in 2019 the same here I returned to playing Street Fighter - and you know what: Fighting Games and YGO have 1 thing in common. When you start those games to learn, you know dogshit. You will get your ass beaten 100000times and then start to understand and learn. That is something not everybody enjoys, I get that. But play to learn and not play to win should be the golden standard for every competitive game, when a person decides to get into it.
i get your point, i also feel where coder is coming from at the same time if you watched rarran stream he watched a combo line of salads and just for that im kinda confused about the complaint rarran did with that duel against rikka. Mostly its the mindset i think rarran had that the game he played before held his hand until he learns the game. like what coder said if you want to learn it you should have the intent of really learning it. yugioh is not for everyone 100% and tutorial in MD is bad.
I play smash and dude it really feels like ygo sometimes.ygo is the fighting game among the tcgs and thats what i love the combos the cool stuff you can do the interactions aka interupt the shit out of your oponent and breaking there board but what i hate on ygo are floodgates or instawin cards like shifter ( im a pendulumplayer) and ftks like chainburn or any full handloop combo
But at least with fgs, most of the time is a matter of lack of skill and experience, while in ygo we have garbage op decks that push the insanity with each release
I’m also of the belief that Rarran went into masterduel with the intention of making a video titled “I played the most insane card game”, instead of going into the game as someone who at least wanted to start playing it.
I love fighting games and Yu gi oh. I feel they are quite similar in a lot of ways. Watching this was similar to watching new fighting game players mashing buttons frantically and wondering why they didn’t win. Basically every single move you make should have a specific purpose and goal in mind. And good players will punish you extremely hard.
I think its really funny that a trading card game enthusiast like Rarran can just get stonewalled by this game, but a funny vtuber like Nova Aokami can grind and go from a complete noob to an actually competent player in the span of a year. Like, she's out there playing fucking Labrynth and shit now. If she can figure it out, Rarran can too. He just has to be willing to put in the time.
Put in one year??? I don't think it's very reasonable to expect you to play for a freaking year before you become a "competent player" and start having fun with the game.
@@SorenArcwind If someone can't commit time to a game at all, how are you expecting to then ever learn or be good in the first place? Too many people want to play or be at a competent level but get upset when you obviously will have to put time into it.
@@CV-ct2lw With all due respect, if you expect somebody to play a game for over a year just to be decent at it, you're delusional. No wonder this game has problems to get new players. Most (if not all) other TCGs are much easier to pick up and understand.
@@SorenArcwind Any game with a learning curve will filter an individual then. There isn't a single game out there that doesn't involve putting in time to actually learning how to be skillful and good at, it's not exclusive to TCG's. There's many issues with how the game is managed and Konami should definitely be finding more avenues in making accessibility and resources easier for any players to find or get into but players also need figure out what they also want from the game. Play it casual or not but if you're expecting to compete there's no way around just "learning" the game.
@@CV-ct2lw Of course all games have a learning curve, but many games, specifically TCGs, don't expect you to play for a whole year just to be somewhat decent at it or have fun with it. Rarran actually tried out the Pokémon TCG recently and he found it much easier to learn and play, for example.
I love the fact that Rarran has his view points based on how his chat convinced him o play Salamangreats after playing just fine Dragonmaids. He was trolled by his chat, haaard.
I started playing yugioh about a year ago and I am really glad you finally pointed out how crazy it is he didn't just read his cards. My main issue getting into the game was getting hit by insane stuff like DRNM and Super Poly. I got into the game myself and taught myself how to play by looking up guides and reading cards and I seriously don't understand some of these people's complaints. It sorta feels like so many people now just want games to play themselves for you. Sure Master Duel could contain a lot better of tutorial content in it that is more relevant to modern meta stuff, but just complaining that you don't understand what is going on when he barely parses like the first sentence of HIS OWN cards like mid match has very little sympathy from me. Even in the followup he did with Cimo playing Edison the dude just refused to ever read his cards.
when tasked with duelingbook in the followup video too, Cimo would tell him to press "Set" or Press "Normal Summon" and dude still summonned in face up defense, would always click SSummon attack instead, he just hates reading or listening
The reading thing is full cope, almost every single one of those cards has a feature length novel on them, you can't expect a new player to remember that much information and it ignores what his opponents are doing which is even more information to juggle with your understanding of your own cards. It's an unreasonable.
Bruh you are coping or lying if you are gonna sit there and say that all you gotta do is read the cards. There is no shot that you started playing the game and picked it up (the minimum required to play in current meta) without googling how to guides or having a friend help you. This is coming from someone who’s played since the game’s conception
The 20ish minute in where he's reacting to the "15 minute duel where he played none of it" was pretty perfectly rage inducing imo. Rarran gives up after a single interaction, plays without reading any of the cards on the board. It's also not great that he's been given a deck reliant on normal summons because a single negate to end your turn is basically how it goes in decks like that. Chat was throwing for recommending Salamangreat, Rarran was throwing just in general, setting up for failure every single time. He clicked random buttons for 5 hours and called it lame, not realizing he was a part of that lameness. There was a reason people in his chat were flaming him constantly because he was being a bit of an asshole about it to boot. He just doesn't show that much of it in the highlights Later on he went on multiple rants about how YGO is complex but not in an interesting way, despite not even learning how to play through a single negation or hand trap for most of his playthrough, thereby showing that he knows nearly nothing about how higher level play goes. Watch how he assumes the learning curve of ygo in like the first 2 hours of playing MD, even though arguably the game gets more complex in the higher end of the spectrum
he even admitted to having read the card in another video too to try to counter the complains that he got about not reading his cards but this just makes it worst for him the fact that he did read his cards prior meant that he deliberately chooses to portray himself this way and frame yugioh the way he did having read the cards yet commit nothing to memory like not even just the UR and/or SR is not doing him any favors because he basically went from “didnt read cards” -> “fumbles everything” to “did read cards (choose not to let this be known)” -> “still fumbles everything”
Card game players who are used to Magic and Magic-like games like Hearthstone are used to being able to bootstrap off of concepts that come along with having a Magic-like, accumulating mana system - e.g. it is turn 2 and I have 2 mana and a 2 drop 2/2, next turn I will have 3 mana and a 3 drop 3/3, etc. That kind of system allows them to largely ignore card text at the most basic level. This is not possible in games without a Magic-like mana system. Reading your cards and knowing what they do is integral to gameplay. The issue here is that so many people who come newly into Yu-Gi-Oh and come out saying shit like this ARE coming from Magic or Hearthstone or some game like this that is essentially a glorified Magic clone with some improvements to Magic's core mechanics (e.g. not relying on a stack of bricks - lands - that you need to draw to accumulate mana and therefore play the game and instead gaining it deterministically like in Hearthstone), and for some fucking reason they expect that every game should work like Magic, which is where you get this particular emphasis on there being "no mana resource system" - I mean he even put it in the thumbnail of the video in giant letters 'NO MANA'. They fetishize Magic and its accumulating mana system and hold it to be the standard for card game systems when it neither has nor deserves such a place.
I got into this game last year , the game was so complicated at the start and I did so many mistakes ( and still do) but instead of fueling my rage it fueled my interest , I was like " Why? Does this work this way , why does that do that , e.t.c. " , there were times that I blamed the game for my misplays but then ladies and gentlemen I started doing a "basic" human function , I read and read. I played slowly and carefully , I took my time and kept dueling and everytime I wasn't sure of something Solo mode was there to justify my rights and my wrongs about what I am able to do with the cards I have in my hand. Hearthstone is a fun little game that if you play long enough it doesn't require that much attention but Yu-gi-oh requires constant effort to understand and keep up since every deck is much more unique than the other.
Salamangreat came out when i was 12 years old. I took the deck to MAIN EVENT NATIONALS in 2019 when i was 13. I went like 5-3-1 with the deck and fully understood what i was doing... at 13... this guy is like 30 and plays tcgs for a living how can he not understand this
Cause he hasn't been playing yugioh since it came out, he's brand new. I imagine he also has better things to do than run a literal research project to understand one deck from this game.
@@johnnickfanaccount3492 sorry I don't keep up enough to do math on yugioh card releases (God help me) but let me tailor that remark to help you out; he hasn't been playing yugioh since he was an age were he could literally devote his entire life to understanding this card game, he's coming into it completely ignorant, he doesn't know the things you're clearly taking for granted
You had the option to buy the structure decks which conveniently has this nice little paper playmat which on the other side has words on it that tell you the basic summary of the deck strategy. On MD you literally just buy 3 structures and they have 0 information on them like IRL to tell you the basic game plan or how to improve your deck in the future.
This has me wanting to react to Rarran from a complete casual's point of view. I got back into playing Yugioh with other people in highschool back in 2010. I got bodied by Infernities and it made me study what Infernities could do by playing on Dueling Network. Then I saw all these other deck types. I played them and learned what I was doing wrong. Then for modern Yugioh, I've been relearning from you and other Yugitubers like @MBTYuGioH
Yeah, a year ago I had no interest in playing Yugioh, but my brother did. Then Master Duel came, and we played 2 games with the starter decks and I got hooked...not knowing how Pendulum and Links worked, or what was meta. By just READING THE CARDS, I began to understand immediately.
As someone who just started playing ygo with master duel about a month ago, I understand both sides. My first day playing I had no idea what was happening at all and was just pressing buttons bricking my own hand consistently. At one point I did mentally check out and lost motivation to play the game the moment someone played a card that had more than 1 paragraph of effects. If you have any sort of competitive drive you can definitely understand this game. The resources out there for combos is ridiculous. A lot of the game is solved to a certain extent depending on decks/interactions and matchups. If you want to get better at ygo you better start cramming information and making a lot of mistakes.
I stopped playing right when XYZs started showing up. Came back right before the Rokket structure came out. So I decided to buy 3 of the structure and focused on that deck until I was comfortable taking it to locals. After reading/learning new master rules and understanding the deck I chose, that's when I started looking into making a fiend deck(my favorite type). Unchained released by that point I really loved them. If this dude really played Yugi before, there was no reason for him to be that terrible at the game.
The way I made my friend play the game, I just gave him my account and just: "Choose a deck, and I will guide you. If you don't like any, you will create an account, and I will let you know how it goes. " We were hour and half at this, and if I didn't manipulate some shit with the second account, he was long gone. After a month or so, he plays more than me and already has my number of decks
It's kind of funny Rarran does the equivalent of playing Defender of Argus, then getting confused the minion didn't get taunt every match he played on master duel in the video.
He went in with the mindset that he wasn't gonna like it in the first place, just wants to show his audience that he was right that Yu-Gi-Oh is "ridiculous". His meltdown while reacting to Farfa's reaction shows it. He had no intention of wanting to learn how to play at all. I didn't know how to play when Master Duel started aside from knowing the summoning mechanics until XYZ which the tutorial teaches you anyways so he and I were pretty much at the same starting point. I played, got to know what each cards do and now I can beat meta decks with non meta so I really can't see what the problem is.
I have played Hearthstone for 1 week after this video came out. Got Legend again and quit probably forever now.. The game has way less interaction and it is just a race who gets his win condition first. And a lot of games are decided on turn 2 or 3 because it is impossible to get back the tempo loss if you did not open thet well. Losing there feels worse than get floodgated. People just do not know they have lost and still play out 6 more turns.
The main problem I've seen with his take is he's saying knowing hearthstone means all other card games are easier. Like magic or runeterra but all of those are based on magic so that knowledge doesn't translate to yugioh
Yugioh is still within the genre of MTG-based, but it’s the farthest removed within that genre Pokémon-based games are the next genre, but I don’t know much about them.
@@giblesdestructDoesn't really work since Yugioh is more strategic than MTG and Hearthstone where as CoD is a baby game compared to chess or even checkers.
I got into Yugioh from watching the tv shows and in my opinion, watching the shows helped me understand the game a lot better than doing any of the tutorials did. After watching how the shows played the game, it was easier for me to learn cause I based my plays on what I saw in the shows and expanded after reading the cards and gaining experience.
As a long time MTG player and been mid - high Elo in other tcgs I found yugioh complicated to get into but I put the time in and watched guides etc. I feel like the in game tutorial could have been better but in the format currently supported by Master duel there are just too many cards or mechanics to teach. However saying that Yugioh is now my favourite tcg 😅
ygo master duel was legit the first card game i got into and generally speaking it literally is just a case of read your own cards and read the opponents cards and eventually it'll just come down to recognize keywords like negate, ands, ifs, thens, destroy, send and graveyard
The problem that Rarran had when he was frustrated with the game is that he just clicked buttons in Casual without taking the time to save the replay and watch it back, to realize what he actually did. He didn't analyze what he did from at least a card-advantage perspective to realize, "oh, I had 5 cards and I ended on a board with 2 cards that do nothing." And then he proceeds to switch decks without having a proper understanding of Dragonmaids in the first place, trying out Salamangreat (and actually doing a bit better), but doesn't slow down to look at what the game is having him do. He banished monsters with Accesscode, not realizing that he has 1 less monster to banish each time. He should have asked himself, "why do I have less monsters I can banish each time?". That's how he might actually STOP banishing when he has 2 attributes to banish, then think "okay, why do I have fewer options to banish?", then re-read the card and find that it locks you into banishing unique attributes during the turn (if he finds that part of the card). Then MAYBE he might not banish his own boss monster. TLDR; self-awareness is important. ALSO, find a coach, like Rarran ended up doing with Cimo later on. Yes, it ruins the purpose of making that video, but it doesn't make Yu-Gi-Oh any easier to not have a coach. There's nothing wrong with having a coach for Yu-Gi-Oh.
I'd like to give rarran's chat my biggest and silliest pair of clown shoes for giving him a not great and also complicated deck, instead of something easy to understand like DM or floo.
I picked up yugioh during early TOSS format and I was able to figure it out because I wanted to learn to play the game. This guy didn’t want to learn to play yugioh he wanted to prove a point to himself and people who already agree with him.
Wrong perspective. IF your someone lets say who's never touched card games in their live beyond the OG YGO times. Then you come back years later because MD releases this would literally be the same experience for a lot of people. HE even said he treated this as someone who is completely new beyond what he used to know and forgot. These opinions you old heads have towards new players and their blind new player experience is why a bunch of potential new players left in droves after MD shadow dropped.
Great video, Coder. His whole video feels like he's intentionally or unintentionally missing the fact that yugioh is just a different type of game. People talk about how yugioh doesnt have a resource system but it does. Cards in hand, life points, the cards in play act in a way that functions like a resource and some people dont get that. You also gotta love when someone refuses to read their cards and goes "Well this sucks, I used everything and nothing happened."
You know ygo has a recource system like you said ( board grave and handcards) after you overextended and got beaten by evenly or something like that still happens to me sometimes
Are you saying that cards in hand are resources? Literally every card game has that. Also Lp in yugioh basically doesn't matter anymore, the only thing important is how better is your board
@victorlander7982 yes cards in hand are a resource unlike other games. Reveal, discard, costs that use cards to activate effects. And yes. Life points don't matter. Because they are a resource to be spent. That's why the only one that matters is the last one.
@@victorlander7982 I think there are some key differences though. In Yu-Gi-Oh, you're allowed to actively respond to your opponent's actions. There are cards that punish players for overextending or going to far into a board without their own version of interaction. You could accidentally summon 5 monsters and get run over by Nibiru. You could not set up enough interaction to deal with Evenly Matched. You could set too many backrow cards and lose to Lightning Storm. The skill of the game comes from knowing when you should stop or when you should continue. Cards themselves act as a stand-in for resources, if you lose those cards, you lose those resources.
What i did to teach my friends yugioh was go for simple decks with concepts they like for example my friends who likes risk and gambeling played pure danger and my friend who loved pegasus from the anime played toons from there they started understanding the game language bit by bit and then i introduced them to the simple form of each summoning type so they can choose the one they liked the most and from there i gave them deck options that suited them
When first coming back it seemed hard, but all in all its pretty much all there, after that find archetypes you like, learn some lines, repeat. Most of the confusing things were solved for me after.. yeahh, reading. (By the way, the last time I played Yu-Gi-Oh before Master Duel was Yu-Gi-Oh Worldwide Edition Stairway to the Destined Duel.)
In locals we had 2 guys join us recently with barely no knowledge. One fresh from 0 the other from Edison. Both were extremely fucking confused on what the fuck was going on and did the "Play everything and pray" thing (Click yes turbo irl) and of course got rolled by everyone. But they didn't rage because we made it crystal clear that if they don't stop, read and analyze they will never learn. And while I agree that the tutorials should explain game mechanics better, I think the most important thing would be to display the importance of reading and working on that comprehension of what each word means to you in a given moment first. Because honestly I believe that with that foundation you can then move on to advanced tutorials explaining all the actually hard stuff since the player will now say "Ok i was told to stop and read, I will do that" and provide simplified scenarios for the player to solve. Like the lethal puzzles on duel links that give you all the cards but you gotta figure out how they work yourself and learn new things. Right now those 2 players picked up Traptrix as their first deck and are learning the ins and outs of everything very quickly, they both always stop to ask what the cards they see do and whenever they win or lose they ask questions. You don't really need a coach to play YGO or even start in Edison if you don't want to. You just need to understand that this is gonna take a bit and enjoy learning at your pace. Yeah, not having "pick up and play" things is an issue but I am confident that if you just take it slow there's enjoyment for everyone in advanced format. Or you pick up another format if that's your cup of tea of course.
can you imagine a game not being pick up and play and still being a good game?... personally i didn't have this experience but dark souls 3 is a game you die a lot supposedly and learn from mistakes and get punished brutally i didn't get that brutalized game was moderate difficulty that is to say it did get hard for me but mostly later in the game which is expected.
Going back to the fighting game analogy, Coder says that you should try each character out and then use the one you like. Rarran is picking a random character, not reading their move list, and just spamming the punch button and hoping to win, and if he takes any damage or misplays, he just puts the controller down because he can't hit his opponent with his punch. Then he complains that the game is too hard and unapproachable because he couldn't figure out what to do when all he has to do is READ HIS DAMN CARDS!
People complain fighting games are too hard as well. There is a mentality among some people that if they can't be good at something right away there is no point bothering with it.
Right but at least most fighting games have a baseline of auto combos you can figure out and also have command lists to show you basic stuff. Yu-Gi-Oh doesn't let you take default decks and see the default flowchart
@@danielnoe5734The language Yugioh uses is simple though. Draw, destroy, banish, discard, etc. These aren't difficult concepts to understand intuitivly.
As someone who mostly learned to play modern yugioh through Master Duel, the better way is honestly to start with a simple but powerful deck (i.e. Eldlich, Swordsoul, Sky Striker). Sometimes you just need to be able to fall back on an effective low-brain strategy while you can observe how the game is supposed to be played and what other good decks could fit your playstyle.
nah not even this would help him, dude is just clicking yes to everything that the only way he would play it is if the game ironically plays itself for him
For me the biggest turnoff for yugioh was learning to understand your opponents decks. I entered the master duel release as a yugiboomer with basic yugioh knowledge. It was somewhat easy to learn my own deck which was pendulum magician ftk and live twins, but it was really hard to figure out what to do at what moment on my opponents turn because i either didn't know my opponents cards, or didn't know what my opponents gameplan was. At that point you kinda get into a brainless yellow button clicking game where you destroy/negate your opponents cards till he runs out of ressources...or doesn't. Ascending from that point to actually understanding your opponents deck, the cards he is likely using, and the cards you have to interact with to be able to disrupt your opponents gameplan felt like a big hurdle. In the end i never really understood what tri-brigade or virtual worlds do because most of those cards felt like the same cards with a slightly different picture. I did reach the highest rank in like 2 seasons by grinding ftk games but i can't really say that i actually played real yugioh. Looking back at it i should have spent more time actually trying to understand my opponents decks and cards and how they interact with one another. Ended up quitting and just watching master saga/roulette and distantcoder vids.
learning what the opponent does is something of a gradual process if you never played the deck yourself, its not something your suppose to immediately comprehend anyway
While Master Duel has its problems, I think being able to save and watch your games back is one of the best, undervalued learning tools a new player has at their disposal. You don't even have to play a single game. You can queue into someone's already completed game, watch it, and even pause it to read cards. Hell, every simulator out there lets you do this and even lets you replay it with a play-by-play.
You dont really have to learn all of your opponent's cards. When I play, usually i wait until they bring out a strong monster or a troublesome spell/trap. By then, i already have my ways to destroy them
@@fracturedfuture370 I'm turning 19 soon and I've played since I was about 8. So I had a small idea of how fusions and xyz work. Synchro and pendulum were still unknown to me because I hadn't watched their shows. I got curious about how pendulum worked so I looked I up on RUclips. Until then me and my friends kinda just made up our own rules based off the shows. I owned Ragnarok, Kepler, berfamet, necro slime, swirl slime, and gate. When I realized that I could use them to quickly set up ragnarok as a big wall that can banish every turn I then got my mom to buy me the structure deck and from there everything came to me and I started learning the real rules. For scale the competition was middle school blue eyes decks without any eyes of blue monsters other than maiden.
@@MysticCouchPotato You expect a new player to read thousands upon thousands of cards to understand every potential deck before they play? Do you have any idea how delusional that sounds my guy? The fact still remains that even if you read the cards, you still don't immediately grasp what they *do.* As in what their effects translate to for a combo or what the general gameplan is.
@@obiesenpai3869I read every single Sky Striker card and made my own deck from it, so I didn't have to read my cards to know what to do. Me knowing what my cards can accomplish means I only need to know what the cards my enemy plays so that's much less things to think of. And yes, you don't immediately grasp what your cards do. But that's why you play one deck and not immediately swap out like an idiot. I played a few hundred duels before I felt confident on playing a deck outside of Strikers
Something i notice a lot is that new players pick decks where all the startrrs/extenders operate different which i believe is a bad thing. My first deck was salad, but after a few weeks and it wasnt clicking for me. So looking for a new deck i ran into someone on drytron. I liked the aestetic of the drytron monsters and tried them out, and i liked them a lot more. The reason i did is because, no matter the reason why you dont like drytron, all the starters/extenders all operate the same with minor differences. Making drytron more beginner friendly then a lot of other decks. For new players we should be showing them decks with cards that do similar things like drytron or dinomorphia or spright or swordsoul. Decks like salad have so many different moving parts making it hard for new players to learn the game with them.
@@luqmanloki4803 I didn't make it clear in the comment what the solution should so I'll say it here. Master duels structure decks besides the anime ones should be made up of these easy to understand decks and should be completed decks and not just one of's. (Minus staples, which you should also be aware of elsewhere)
I started playing master duel without learning xyz pend link summon mechanic (although i played tag force 3 game and learned synchro summon mechanic there). I picked salad as my first deck to learn link summoning, and i spent couple of weeks playing salad before hopping into mathmech and sky striker deck. I admit learning link summoning was bit tricky: not having enough or wrong material, forgetting the link arrow. But eventually i got to learn and understand it. Xyz summoning wasn't too hard for me since it's just stacking 2+ monsters with same level. I feel like anyone can get into yugioh, but should not expect that they'll learn all game mechanics quick.
unfortunately yugioh was never designed to be played online with zero input from the environment that youre playing in, which is what he was trying to do. playing with a friend or with people in your vicinity was how it started and your friends you play yugioh with casually try to help you learn as you play has power creep hit yugioh yes but trying to play a complicated game without some form of instruction is like going to a chess tournament without knowing how the pieces move
I think farfa put it really well when he said that other games, like hearthstone, make you *feel like* you're playing the game, while yugioh doesn't. In a game like hearthstone, just inherent to the mana system, there will be some amount of turns of passing back and forth with both players playing a card or two and not really doing anything - even if you're actually completely screwed, you get to put some cards down. In yugioh though, because every card does so much, if you're screwed you basically won't get to play any cards. This is where I think Rarran's perception of the game as he tried it out was so skewed. In Hearthstone, if you're playing a bunch of cards you're probably doing something impactful, even if the result is just a bunch of vanilla big guys. In yugioh, since there's no restriction on how many cards you can play, it's more about how you use each card - which card you choose to search, or summon, and picking which boss monsters or other end board pieces to move towards.
@@bej4987 you're "playing the game" in that you're moving cards around on the table, but not in that you're actually engaged in the decision-making involved in which cards to play and when. When you're watching your opponent's combo waiting for the perfect opportunity to use the ash blossom in your hand to put a stop to it, you might not be moving cards around, but you absolutely are engaging with the decision-making. Since these games are about strategic decisions, rather than just moving bits of card around, the latter is much more "playing the game", I feel. (not to say that games like hearthstone and magic don't have strategic decision-making, they absolutely do, they just give you more opportunity to move cards around without any idea what you're doing - making you feel like you're playing the game, when you're doing the equivalent of button-mashing in a fighting game. This isn't an indictment on those games either; being able to fumble around not knowing what you're doing like that tends to create a better experience for new players than demanding full knowledge of the game to even know what interaction looks like. It just explains the frustration Rarran was feeling quite well (alongside the fact that he likely went into the game expecting to not have fun))
@@bej4987 You are just sitting there waiting for the opponent to combo kill you from hand on turn 6 with 0 interaction because while you were pushing cards around you shouldve actually been rushing them down to prevent them living till they found combo.
I picked up Master Duel after not having played since the Synchro era. I thought things like xyz, pendulums, links were all insane and I'd never learn them - Thing is, I didn't just give up after losing, I found a deck I enjoyed and went straight into ranked. I learned combos for my deck, but I also learned the combos for other decks and picked those up as well. It honestly wasnt hard? The trick - READ YOUR FUCKING CARDS
Yes this game that we all love is difficult but what he's doing is the same as trying to study to be a doctor but then refusing to read your text books or getting guidance from those who can help...
People say rikka isn’t capable of going second but rikka is pretty capable of otking going second letting you play boradwipes while still making to possible to have a going first board
depends can it play 2nd against labrynth? probably not :/ how about any stun variant? okay okay we can go back to combo, can it go 2nd against branded this seems a bit more fair no? but they are for sure not favored to win the match up from that position
@@kindklan8020 lab is it’s main weakness that’s why my preferred going second card for the deck is lightning storm so I can get rid of back row if their more relavant. Since rikka is able to weave monster removal just into the combo
Gonna throw my two cents on the "giving less options to newer players" thing. Totally agree, in fact, I started playing YGO when masterduel was released, and my first deck was thunderdragon (cuz i remembered OG TD from my childhood and was like, "cool this guy is playable now i guess". The fact that the deck has so obvious normal summons (like pretty much lupine or matrix if you have no lupine) made it so much more intuitive to play, and the branching out of combo lines, which was not very hard but not easy aswell, made it so that i got to understand how the game works and what is my deck capable of doing at a reasonable pacing. I think dragonmaids and salads have way much more nuance in terms of how you wanna start and do your turns, as they are pretty much midrange decks for the most part. This makes it that info is way too frontloaded rather than being more spread out when it comes to deck piloting. Maybe a more linear deck in terms of gameplan would´ve been better, like your typical "you wanna get to this monster, by any means necessary" type of decks
I am a Yugi-Boomer, and I struggled really hard when I first started playing Master Duel. I had played some of the video games leading up to it, so I understood Synchro and Xyz Summoning, but I did not understand Link summoning at all. Another thing with the learning curve for Yu-Gi-Oh. It isn't just learning your own deck, but learning your opponent's. Knowing when it is best to interrupt your opponent's play and which cards to look out for. There is probably this to a degree in Hearthstone and other card games, but for the most part Yu-Gi-Oh is typically over in two to three turns. So it is crucial that you use your interruptions in key moments the best way that you can. There is also the deck building side of things. Not all decks are created equal and not all deck builds of a particular deck type are created equal. There is overall a lot to learn about Yu-Gi-Oh, which is why it can be so fun. Frustrating at times, but also fun. It really depends on the meta as well. Tearlaments/Ishizu made Master Duel so incredibly boring in my opinion. But, overall you have to be ready to fail, and learn from your mistakes. Also be willing to learn from your opponent. There are many times, I came across really cool combos I just never thought of before. Primarily because there are so many cards in the game I am just not aware of, because I was away from it for so long.
I think it's safe to say 90% of cards in Yugioh aren't played at all. And if you run across a non-meta card you have never seen before you can ask your opponent to read it.
I am having a really hard time understanding what yugi boomers find so hard about link summoning or extra deck summoning in general: Synchro = tuner with levels + non tuner with levels Xyz = two monsters with the same level Link = any monsters that are listed on the link monsters requirement (kinda like a fusion monster with generic material and you dont need to use polymerization) ???
I avoided anything that had a heavy link presence because I didn't understand it and the mechanic didnt interest me at the time, so I stuck with a Blue Eyes-Dragonmaid deck and I kept familiar with the mechanics that I used when I was a kid playing the Tag Force games. I eventually moved to Branded Despia, then Swordsoul and now I'm playing Dragonlinks (lemme tell you I spent days perfecting the stupid combo and then I had to learn what to do if I got interrupted) and I love it. It took me a while to learn everything but even having only barely remembered mechanics from the anime, I powered my way through the learning curve of Yu-Gi-Oh.
@@redfalcon7598 Yeah it was interesting learning some of the new deck types. I learned a lot from content creators like Coder, and others. Other channels like the ones that just show replays can be interesting to learn from as well, as they introduce you to cards and combos you may not have thought of.
As so.eone who came back to MD after 20 years of not playing and have now topped big events and won community tournaments. The game does seem like alot but if you're willing to ACTIVELY learn the game. It doesn't take long at all. Maybe a week or 2 to learn the mechanics and then a mever ending stage of learning new decks (to you)
He wasn’t trying to learn in good faith. I learned from master duel after starting with a blue eyes deck getting beat down by everything, until I started my blind second chaos max deck - Now I’ve got meta decks and a cool bystial buster blader deck
I agree. Something ticks me off and it seems as if Rarran already had a presupposition before entering this game. While the tutorial left so much to be desired, he seemed to expect the tutorial to hand hold him to understand the META. That is not how tutorial works. Tutorial is to teach basic mechanic and how to play the game. E.g, Pokemon tutorial albeit boring, teaches the simple mechanic on how to catch Pokemon, battle, and usage of item. What items are good, what Pokemon is good, which moveset should I play are for us to figure out.
raran did not try for a single minute to learn the game. he just complained and compared it to hearthstone the whole stream. He was just trying to get some highlights and make an easy video. if you see him play hearthstone, i think he has not build a deck by himself since blizzard made the autocomplete; he also got used to play in lower ranks where the oponent is practically doing nothing so he can get an easy win for his videos@@hoohenokh2090
I understand it's hard to get to into Yu-Gi-Oh but I have successfully gotten many of my friends into it and none of them managed to be that incompetent at reading cards so I'm gonna say it's a personal problem.
I have to agree with rarran. The way yugioh is currently is the least beginner friendly card game of them all. We could definitely use with some kind lf easier play method that can still translate to the actual game, unlike rush duels. Edit: another thing i think coder probably didnt know, he read his cards beforehand, but STILL didnt understand. He was rereading them at that point.
Then that’s a reading comprehension problem no? Though I agree that for some reason the TCG goes out of its way to make card text as indigestible as possible, that wasn’t really a point made
That’s what solo is for. Solo teaches you while holding your hand. But you have to learn the deck you wanna use. When I came back into Yugioh without knowing the modern cards I stopped playing in 05. I didn’t have money for more. But I had to learn the modern cards. I found an archetype I liked (Scareclaw) learned it then proceed to get to gold. Then I changed to mathmech then g golem. Then unchained. Once I learned the meta cards the rest were easy
@@sirlaysabout6744it's not, the game is simply way too complicated to understand even if you read all of your cards, literally watch mbt's video and stop coping. Also the solo mode is 1. Useless because it doesn't teach you the ideas of modern yugioh and 2. You cannot expect a new player to waste hours playing against ai, they realistically want to actually play against a human being within the first 5 hours of buying a new product
20:50 As a fellow Salad enjoyer, this kinda hurts me too xD But I understand. It took me a while to properly learn Salads, which unironically, wasn’t even the first deck I picked up in MD.
As a beginner, or someone getting back into yugioh there are steps. 1. Try it out, find a deck that plays in your style, after you find that deck , watch build and combo videos to help learn that deck , study and test that deck. And get good by practice.
Completely missed his point. His whole point is the game is completely not friendly to beginners as every other card game is. The fact he's a content creator means he automatically gets outside help from chat. You shouldnt have use outside resources and spend hours reading and understanding just to play 1 match in a card game. LoR/ MTG Arena and PTCG all have basic tutorials in their clients for players to learn the game. MD has tutorials that take hours to get through that dont teach you the game. IF a game requires you to use outside resources beyond the resource of looking up a deck list then how do you expect anyone new to get into it. I wouldnt want to spend 4 hours understand the rules and all the sentence structures of cards just to then jump in and have to read every essay of a card the opponent has just to get rolled and do that for hours. IF players arent winning and feel like they have a shot in a game from a new player they will just quit and never come back.
@RandomGuyCDN I understand bro . Didn't miss it . I lived it been playing since it came out. But if you want to play a game of trauma then go for competitive. If not casual playing is pretty easy
His comparison with league makes sense and in a way i think the learning process is relatively similar between lol and ygo. So I don't understand why he's so frustrated with learning ygo. The tutorial in league is equally as bad, if not worse. It teaches you only the controls and very basic gameplay. You need to either learn from someone who knows how to play or invest endless amounts of time to know what to actually do. Not knowing what your cards do is equally as bad as playing a champion you don't know the abilities of. Another thing that's similar is that just because you know how to play your champion/deck doesn't mean you know how to play the game correctly. League is imo as complicated and hard to learn as ygo and if he was able to learn lol, he should be able to read AND understand what at least his own cards do.
The difference is league doesn't tell you how ass you are at the game. Like maybe 1% of the LoL players have even a tiny grasp of what sorta game they are playing and how to meaningfully perform their role in it. But somehow the remaining 99% are perfectly content with being bad and never learning for years. You can always blame your team in league despite blundering opportunity after opportunity and putting your team into bad spots that cause them to look worse. Leagues biggest successes are the matchmaking which is very good at creating even teams and its big playerbase which allows the matchmaking to function. If league was dead and it matched players from big gaps in elo the game would bleed players very fast. But instead everyone gets to play with 9 other players who are just as comatose as they are.
@@luminous3558 You can also shift blame on being bad in ygo. You just blame the cards or Konami as a whole that you loose games. Just look at the last clip where he played vs the rikka deck. He could have easily won that, but instead he missplayed because he didn't read his cards and blamed the game for that.
@@Ind3xPlus its not the same, in league you can wholly shift the blame off yourself, in ygo the cards may lay out bad but at the end of the day you chose to play them and how to play them, so you still feel personally at fault on SOME level. but in league? you can look at the bottom laner who went 3 and 10 and go "oh we lost because that guy fed" even if you went 3 and 7, and just completely divest any personal involvement in the loss.
Rarran does have some good points and some of his criticism is valid, but other streamers who don't have a tcg background managed to learn the game i.e (sykkuno); it kinada hard to believe that rarran came into to the game actually wanting to learn the game.
Lots of his points are valid but then he goes to counter his own points by not reading his cards and continuously clicking buttons. It's practically like saying Tekken is extremely, glancing at the combo list a few times then deciding to mash a and b. He keeps saying he wants to learn the game, learn the deck, then continuously misplaying by saying "this game is unwinnable" and not actually trying to learn. He had a bad mentality throughout the entire process
@@Suremate... he actually did admitted to reading his cards in another vid but also says that he didnt include it because it looks boring validity of that claim aside that just makes him look worst because it means this is how he deliberately choose to portray himself as and frame yugioh the way he did
@@darkshark3906you absolutely can. Most effects in the game can be boiled down to key words like in MTG , it's just that they need to write all of it on the card which makes it seem longer than it actually is. That Salamangreat Sunlight Wolf, a card he has played for example, all of it's text acn be shorten to "2 effect monsters to summon, can get a Salamangreat monster back from the graveyard if a monster is summoned to it's arrows, can get a spell/trap back from the graveyard if it's reincarnation summoned". Assuming you know all the basic terms in the game there's no reason why you wouldn't know what it does after reading and/or playing it a few times.
I invited my friend to play MD with me. He never played yugioh before, i myself played it only to the synchro era, so pendulum-link-xyz summoning were new to me too, but i could still help him to learn the basics. His first deck was blue-eyes, than glad-beast and now floo is his favourite.
I feel like the conclusion you came to at 13:50 is the perfect description for this whole clown show. Dude just wanted to clown on the game and say it's ridiculous. Got way more attention than it deserved. We know the issues, no one knows how to fix them. Konami can't or won't fix them, so I hope people like him either play in good faith or please move along.
Choosing to learn dragon maid was a big mistake imo. He needs to try a simple deck that tackles the execution of hand traps, back row, and negates. That way he doesn't get constantly bodied and not knowing why things are happening that are out of his control. Since to new players it's always the same song and dance. Their deck does things and my deck doesn't get to do anything. Yet it's still a problem because overall they don't wanna read and understand why certain interactions are what they are such as miss timing. So when Rarran played yu-gi-oh I knew what to expect. You got someone with the aim to make a video for the sake of confirmation bias and he achieved. He isn't trying to learn and execute his deck competently but trying to play on auto.
Why? Dragonmaid is a baby simple deck to learn, his problem was that he didnt understand his cards (he may have read them but understanding is different). He was trying to learn it like hearthstone or magic where you can skim card text and click on stuff that seems good.
i started with live twins and it teaches you so much. How and when to negates, how to get creative, how to play through and bait hand traps, and can play so many hand traps. (this was way before spright was even thought about and even before trouble sunny btw) pure live twins is amazing
@@Slybandito7 It's simple but having a new player understand the concept of a card changing forms during battle and main phases is an extra step for their auto brains to comprehend especially because their unique effects. Not worth it.
@@ethansmith1991 If you wanted to play that deck that is way more helpful for you as a player starting than someone playing a deck for the sake of confirmation bias and not bothering to understand what the card effects do and why since you aren't interested to begin with.
I wouldn't be surprised if @Rarran reacted to this at some point (and yes i put the atsighn hoping he would see it to increase the odds because every moment that urked your nervs did the same to me) i mean i came to yugioh from the pokemon tcg and i came to that from magic the gathering but i say yugioh and magic are the best of them in that order (best to worst) but for me it wasnt all that hard to learn i played synchro against my sister's pend deck and once we got more cards i can call myself lucky enough to say i starting hand exodiad somebody but at the end of the day i read my cards and i had fun
The fact that he came in under the pretense of "I'm doing this for a video" means he got the outcome that he was looking for. His video was about YGO being hard to learn so he made it harder on himself to learn it.
there is NO SHOT you’re watching trains and doing react content now. i gotta feed my family man
You see, I am you. Hand over your stream key now :)
Yes his is. Gotta get that brewd
@@DistantCoder distant coder try not to soy over yugioh challenge, difficulty impossible
Bishbaalkin ban broke him
He lost Bish and Judge calls what's left for him.
I think one cool thing for MD would be like a Puzzle mode where you are given certain cards and have to try to achieve certain conditions (like remove a monster or summon something). That gives a nice way for newer players to get introduced on the easier ones and learn more as they get more advanced.
Puzzlee from the DS games?
Puzzle modes would be great not only to learn, but also to provide more ways of getting gems lol
The WCS preparation survey event thingy showed they clearly know how their own game works but why they don't implement those kind of surveys in game as puzzles was a mystery to me and tbh a huge missed opportunity.
Like duel links then
duel puzzles were always really frustrating to me when I was younger, but I definitely appreciate them now. (actually helps give ideas for combos as well as a baseline for interactions i put into decks, etc)
Distant spends his entire time saying that the game sucks and it's unplayable
But when someone says Yu-Gi-Oh sucks
Distant : Hold My beer
The game can have tons of problems and rarren can be wrong about what those problems are. These are not mutually exclusive.
@@benito1620 the game sucks and it's overpowered but man I love it
Because Coder knows the game and its problems.
Rarran doesn't know the game and has a lot of preconceived notions about the game that are wrong, so half the things he thinks are problems are just him not understanding the picture.
Case and Point: Yugioh is over after 2 turns because the player going 1st makes a negate board. We keep hearing this inside the community despite it really not happening for a good while now. Boards aren't big negate boards for the most part. Especially in paper but even MD has now taken steps to remove Adamancipator from the game.
Also this idea of yugioh being skillless because everyone just does their combo or loses. Its all stuff you hear from yugiboomers who havent touched the game in years but still stick around the community to talk shit.
@@luminous3558 Facts only a small hand fill of decks still do the big mass negate boards that are not even the best decks to play that usually dies to a hand trap or 2
And yeah there is skill in what the sequencing of the cards you play
Yes there are problems with this game, but that is true for all tcgs and the problems Rarran brought up for the most part are not even problems to begin with
@@luminous3558 Yeah it doesn't surprise me Rarran went in thinking YGO was bad as the only experience I think he had before this is guessing whether YGO cards are good or not with Stevie. And Stevie would consistently say every episode that YGO is a bad game. I'm glad Cimo at least gave him a more balanced perspective.
I always agree with the idea that you read your deck before playing it instead of just clicking “ YES “
you even have to read in mmos like damn this item gives these stats and it does this(potential actives)? no way dude.. this potion does these buffs? how accessible is it? oh this is an exp % potion i should save it for later to make my grind later easier... when i grind for 10 hours to get like 2 levels :) HELL YEA MMOOOOOOOO
For me, while I read and learn it while playing, I always tried new deck at solo mode.
Basically just to know a little gist of what a card can do in some situation, but that just because I actually the learn while you go kinda type.
Like when I learn how to drive a car, I'm the type that won't afraid to crash it, cause I'm on learning process, I learn, so I won't crash it when I drove for real.
Usually I would go search a some deck suggestion for a deck, try it on solo, see how it works and why it got suggested in the deck, if some cards doesn't feels good to used in the deck, I would try to changed it for another card.
Yugioh basically trial and error with deck recipe, you need to analyze yourself what makes the recipe better in some situation.
The solo mode and deck tutorial in MD need an overhaul 100% If the game taught how decks are meant to be built rather than simply played, then the new player experience would be a lot smoother
The tutorials are mid, but I think the issue with rarran's thought process in this is that he just clicked every button thinking that's how to learn a card game
@@billybill4268He read the cards beforehand though. He cut that part of the stream because it wasn't good RUclips content.
@@pietips4077 ah then tutorials need to be fixed
@@DaShikuXIPretty much. I only started playing Yugioh since 2018 and up until now there are still some stuff that I don’t understand, especially convoluted rulings stuff. Tho, having other things to do in life certainly slowed down the process.
But that’s precisely why I like Yugioh. It’s because it’s an over complicated card game with scuffed rulings. For some reason, I just like the absurdity and the absolute anarchy in trying to comprehend playing a card game that was meant to be for kids to play. I like how it’s absolutely not beginner-friendly but that didn’t stop me from liking the card game in general.
About the fandom tho, now that’s a different story xD
@pietips4077 he read the cards but immediately discarded the information.
I don't expect him to memorize every interaction in his deck but the salamangreat vs rikka duel absolutely proved he wasn't even trying to learn.
Just discards all of his combo pieces for no reason because he just clicked buttons.
One of my friends described Yugioh as : "The card game equivalent of sitting at a table with another player, placing a high caliber sniper rifle on said table and then getting in a fist fight to grab that gun and shoot the other player point blank."
And I am 100% here for that feeling, this feeling is unique to Yugioh and I LOVE it.
This is literally what i love about Yu-Gi-Oh, you just make the most insane board you Can and then you just say "go". And when you manage to break through, it's also so fun.
In Yu-Gi-Oh, the more unethical you play the better you are xD.
Screw spoly tho that card can go to hell
MBT described this in his video as playing Ultimate Marvel vs Capcom 3 and most players will try to wall combo you from 100% to 0 right out the gate. And yes, this frenetic, yet very complex gameplay is what makes Yugioh stand out from other games of this sort.
Stand out yes, be good? Debatable. I hate the rocket tag the game is to the point I never expect to get a second turn. It's why I play OTKs and floodgates; I'm not getting another round so I need to win or cripple you in one. Even my off meta decks are forced into OTKs cause why expect another turn these days?
@MerlinCross13 I don't fully agree here. It's high pace and requires critical knowledge or at least insight into what your opponent is trying to do, but a good game can take a few turns without floodgates and be interresting. Most of the time, the results are clear by the end of turn 2, but I've played games into the turn 6 or 7 because both played gave it their all.
My best game of year so far was an impressive 30m game of Volcanic Spright vs Purrely, where we both threw our all at one another with smart play. Game took 30m over 9 turns to edge the win for game one. Game 2 sadly went to time for a clean draw, but that was the best game I played this year.
@@MerlinCross13I don’t quite fully understand here, if you’re going second, and break your opponent’s board, and set up an interaction, what makes you think they can just effortlessly get over it and win immediately?
I like the fighting game analogy, yugioh IS the fighting game of tcgs. You can go in mashing buttons and have success with bots or someone else mashing buttons. However once you go up against someone who has done the most basic thing of learning what tools they have available, you’ll get absolutely bodied. It takes time to learn this game and should be done through 1 deck but once you have the fundamentals down, transitioning to something new is easy
Agreed. Mechanically, Yugioh is just like any other fighting game.
How to attack? PRESS BUTTON.
But WHEN to attack? WHICH attack to use? These non-technical considerations form the dynamics of fighting games.
Likewise, Yugioh is really simple mechanically. How to normal summon? PUT MONSTER CARD FACE UP IN THE MONSTER ZONE.
It's the interactions between cards that trip people up just like how frame data and hitbox properties confuse button mashing casuals.
Also, I would say that you probably should start with some of the most basic structure decks and when you get comfortable with some of the most basic decks that way you can get comfortable with some of the most basic things in the game. Then I'd say go into some of the more advanced decks. As it can get pretty confusing when dealing with things like tuners and no tuners to synchro summon, as well as pendulum summoning as well as Link, Ritual, Fusion and other mechanics in the game.
the expirience you discribed happens with every tcg though , like don't get me wrong yugio is the most fighting game like card game. but I feel like you have never seen how underpowered some newbie decks are.
Exactly. Honestly I started with a really tough deck to learn (Earth Machine), but that actually helped me just go through my newer decks and see some combo lines, however unoptimal they are.
@@thatweirdkid2489 But trying to go into a match against another person with that deck is not going to prepare you for the amount of handtraps that's going to come. Which I think the tutorial should teach.
In my opinion, what makes new players confused is what goal or end board they have to achieve. because the first time I played I was confused about what the combo sequence and ideal end board were like. that is until I saw the Twin Evil video tutorial and understood that Yu-Gi-Oh is not just about monsters with big attacks or lots of monsters on the board. it's about how to defend and interrupt your opponent's turn.
Nah man, the real way to play Yugioh is to make sure your opponent doesn't get to play at and and make them have the least amount of fun possible
@@arandomcrusader8822
that is, too. sometimes I also come across FTK decks and am amazed "WTF just happened?"
@@arandomcrusader8822 this is just a super goofy take. now-a-days, there are a bunch of decks that ,while they are still meta, are not hard to play through. i cannot think of a single deck that is meta right now. that actively stops you from playing the game.
and if your opponent does end up stopping your combo. that just means that you they the interaction necessary to stop you. often times, this can be solved by having board breakers or interaction of your own. you cannot play yugioh and expect for your opponent to not have interaction for you.
Imo Yugioh is like a tower defense
You build your own defense and your opponent tries to destroy it and if you didn't lose in that turn you can also try to rebuild it
Facts, i was baffled when i first picked up salads that basically the ideal board is an 1800 monster + 1 trap, until i learned more about the playstyle.
BUT
The problem is that you can't teach new players what the general wincon/turn 1 board should be, until they already know what deck they're playing (or playing against), since they're all wildly different. A board full of negates is obviously good, but sometimes it's a single body with a macro effect. Sometimes it's a 5000 atk towers with *no* effect. Sometimes it's a trap or two. The diversity in yugioh decks is simultaneously my favorite thing about the game, and the thing that makes it extremely tough to teach/learn
I've taught a few people yugioh and what worked pretty good was to just get 2 starter decks of every era.
So you start from the start and learn the basics, you then add on to those basics with new mechanics.
Once the basics are there, get 1 deck and go from there. This way you have a decent basis, understand the existing mechanics and you dont get shredded all day long and dont overwhelm yourself with 100 combo lines.
You could also go into certain formats and get some decks and learn it in these steps.
Edit: grammar
This is a genuinely amazing idea I've never even thought of something close to this when teaching people but i honestly probably will use this when later on I help people learn
Taught, not 'teached'
doing this from now on
Oh boy $400 on yugioh structure decks
@johnnickfanaccount3492 can always use software like dueling book and things like that, don't always need the physical cards to learn 👍
Rarran tried Edison with Cimo and seemed to like it so we got that at least.
Imagine that someone actually trying to learn the game and having fun it’s crazy 😂 his whole point of tryna hop on and not getting it so calling it a shit game is crazy
That's fine but his point was that as a new player he had no way to learn in an enjoyable fashion he completed the tutorial made his decks and played if the average person can't understand it like that yu gi oh can't grow@@bdiax
@@gostode1709however. From the way rarran started this with the mindset of “yugioh is bad, I’m going to play it to prove it’s bad.” And when you start with a mindset like this it is physically impossible to learn because your subconscious is constantly telling you “nothing is your fault, it’s the games fault”. Rarran is right that yugioh doesn’t do enough to aid new players. But that’s not what he was trying to prove. He was trying to prove yugioh at its core is objectively worse.
And he still wasn't reading his cards. Like he does in Hearthstone. Except he knows Hearthstone cards.
@@Magevast9He was proving that yugioh (master duel actually), is very bad at introducing the actual gameplay to newer players. Nothing in the tutorials can prepare new players to play against modern era decks. They don't even teach you handtraps which are vital in current formats.
I’ve seen a lot of people react to this video but coders reaction I agree with the most, he was clicking buttons and not reading, he even said he was, so he wasn’t activly trying to “learn” yugioh, he was simply clicking buttons on master duel, huge difference.
to play devils advocate, a paragraph of text is quite intimidating. honestly, if the text were seperated to bullet points, it'll make it easier to read. example, i was puzzled on why construct is so good, and recently, i noticed that i miss one sentence that says, if this card battles a special summoned monster, pop it.
@@rafi...___ yugioh is bullet pointed.... in the ocg
@@rafi...___ Or you can just read the card. Fully. I understand that people can miss some text. Hell, I miss text plenty of times. But that's my fault. Besides, Rarran is a grown ass man, he can read the fucking card text instead of whining about it. He did it for Hearthstone, Magic, and whatever Magic derivative games he played in order to learn what the keywords(which no, you don't magically know what they do and mean by reading the keyword alone) do.
@@rafi...___ Not only because of the size of text it takes time to remember everything the cards do and all the ways they interact with one another, to know what is best to pitch for effect X what is best to special summon or to send to grave etc. That is unless you watch a tutorial video or read a guide on it. And that kinda is Rarran point, Yugioh you can't understand the archetype by simply reading the cards just like you can't even comprehend what end board your opponent is trying to get into to try to interact if you already don't know their combo/archetype. It is incredible difficult and time consuming to try to improve and understand Yugioh on your own and on others game you can go pretty far alone, specially if you have played other card games.
I like yugioh due to the anime and I think it can be fun sometimes but other is a lot of BS with how powerful some of the meta cards are versus others, the power creep is pretty dumb in Yugioh. I really love Gravekeepers and I keep trying to play the deck on master duel when I play it. I keep on trying some things that seems like it can work on deck until I can get a list I'm satisfied with. However I also want to play Gravekeepers and not just play Necrovally, Commandant and 1~2 copies of Spiritualist and the rest of the deck is floodgates or engines of others archetypes because I'm only playing Necrovalley and like 1 Graveekeper in a Graveekeper Deck. To me that is not an Gravekeeper deck...
I also really love big dumb powerful Synchro monsters due to the anime, like Shooting Quasar Dragon and Red Nova Dragon however I don't even try to understand and build on my own synchro decks and combo lines since that is waaaay to complicated and time consuming so I just wait to see lists people make, what are the combo lines, try out it a bit on solo until I can understand it and then tweak a bit the list with what I prefer
@@rafi...___ idk let me just not read solflachord cards from a deck i ripped off some guys and click on yellow buttons surely that will work and make something :) and then i will not read any of my opponents cards and simply hope i have set up interruption somehow miraculously
I kinda agree with Coder about not giving new people too much of a choice in the beginning. When Master Duel launched I was kinda just playing yugioh casually on those simulators like Nexus or smth. I started Master Duel by playing Invoked Shaddolls and it really helped me learn stuff in depth, I had no idea how to link at that point, bc I never really link summoned before, an now Im a meta sheep so...
I strongly recommend rogue decks or at least somewhat competitive ones to new players (also handtraps) to give them a way to intuitively learn how modern games go by and adapt to it. I guess examples are tri-bri, dark magician, hero, swordsoul, or despia(despia is literally nerfed to the point an ash can hard stop it)
@@constabrielbell4523 Rogue is where boys become men
The thing is u picked a good deck to start with. Normal summon Alister is easy and has clear resource loop, plus as Coder said when the normal summon is so important, only having 1 choice doesn’t overwhelm new players. It’s just a shame that MD launched with Rhongo and Drytron.
Md can really help picking up new decks cause it shows you everything when i read punks i was like wtf are they even doing how do i use them. I tried it on md and quickly understood what the deck wants to be and how you play it. Rarran should have picked an easier deck to learn idk eldlich or something more controll based cause combodecks have way to much gas
@@constabrielbell4523i agree playing with a way to weak deck like dragonmaid isnt a good idea the cards are way to gimmicky and bad except a few ones like chamber. DM its a way easier deck to understand even if youre not a pro ending on eternal soul plus circle and a DM on hand or grave is so easy. Swordsoul is another easy deck cause moye is a one card combo on her own and you just need to read longjuan to know he is the guy you add with your chixiao + its one of the coolest looking decks i still love it
Now I really want to see Coder's reaction to Rarran's reaction to MBT's and Farfa's videos on this.
Coder: "If you learn to play Tekken, you first pick 1 character and learn to play that one first"
Me: "Cool, let's start with Mokujin"
As someone who started playing Yugioh via Master Duel a little over a year ago now, I can attest that it does indeed take time to learn the game, hell I still don't know what half of the cards in the game do, but I still play and enjoy the game if merely on a casual level and can understand most of the time what's going on even watching your videos or those of other Yugitubers. I think it really just comes down to how willing someone is to actually learn the game, putting time and effort into it, the game is very complicated I will wholeheartedly agree. I picked up the game starting with Madolche, and I've used strictly that deck if not like 90% of the time, maybe trying out other rogue stuff like DM or Roids in the past, but I've constantly practiced and tried my absolute most at learning and improving with that same Madolche deck, trying new cards in place of old ones or rebuilding the deck from scratch. Even to this day, I hardly know all the ins and outs of the deck and other decks in the meta, nor fully know how to build them in an optimal way, but the game is still fun regardless of its complexities in my opinion. Even when I lose majority of the time, I still usually understand what I did wrong and how I can improve, reading and learning the cards and combos, and especially thanks to content creators who pour so much more time into the game than I.
Long ass paragraph aside, keep doing what you do, Coder
Your content is peak
Madolche works really well w Vernusylphs since they are earth fairy support. You could try this hybrid.
@@hexi9595I actually already do run a Vernusylph card, at three, the duck one, name escapes me rn
Love this!!! Thank you for this comment. I agree completely.
Expecting to learn YuGiOh like you learn Hearthstone is like trying to learn Age of Empires by playing Risk.
They are both top-down strategy games but play fundamentally different and at different paces.
"Ok, I decided to put my guys scattered out... What? My town center is under attack by four hours guys? WHAT DO YOU MEAN I JUST FLAT OUT LOST?"
Perfect comment
Rarran claimed on his Livestream to have read the cards in his deck before dueling, but didn't include that in the video, cuz that'd be boring to watch (which i agree with tbh). But i also think he should have included that information in the video.
He probably just didn't retain any of the information about the cards after reading them once each back to back, which would have probably happened to me too...
Still i do agree with some of the points you raised, especially that one should figure out the thing a deck wants to do before you jump into a duel. This seems obvious even to me, who has never touched this game
He also admitted to Farfa that he just didn't do the extra deck summoning tutorial. So, you know. Pros and cons.
He did show multiple clips of him basically reading one sentence then giving up, so the information he DID provide in the video was that he was deliberately trying to make it harder for himself. What he chose to show in the video was deliberately misleading at best.
In terms of something like the Dragonmaid deck you can easily remember, "Okay so they all bounce back to the hand and summon their big forms so you can swing, which then bounce back to the hand after battle phase to bring back the waifu forms which you use to grind, and that's what they want to be doing." I never even played the deck and can internalize that much.
@@Zetact_He is new to playing yugioh so every card is new to him. So each play that's being made by the opponent he has to read almost a full paragraph. You have to admit that is a daunting task to pile on on top of his own cards that he has to read again to make sure what they do. I played yugioh since 2007 and we have to be realistic with what new players are experiencing in master duel😂
@@luqmanloki4803 Then you have 2 options. Either bite the bullet and try to learn what your cards do then go from there to learn what the opponents cards do or go to another game. Smashing your head against a wall for 4 hours straight while not even realizing that the red ball on the corner of your cards means is a fire atribute monster is just...
@@luqmanloki4803 I get not understanding his opponent's cards but he shows for instance reading Salamangreat Heatleo where he reads, "If this card is Link Summoned, you can target 1 card in your opponent's - okay." and just throws it in. He showed in the video him reading half a sentence and skipping the rest.
Note: rarran actually skipped duel training in solo, if you look up the full live stream version of this video
Do you know if he just jump straight into pvp modes after building Salad or did he at least test out the combos with some of the ai duels?
@@waiyon1951 he just jumped straight into pvp mode after wiki searching the playstyle and watching some combo videos so he hasn't tested it out in ai duels or read his cards before pvp. (in short: rarran jumped without looking and got punished for it)
@@sunnyshine4513 might just be some people's preference but i always kinda just try and pilot a new deck/archetype against AI first so i can get a feel for the deck before jumping into rank, since it's more stress free
Tbf, duel training does not help you at all in playing a match with another person
@@defectivesickle5643 it does if you get lucky enough to match make into another starter deck player... yea but people will end up smurfing so rip actual new players XD
Bro is a little late on the drama wave
Last time he was involved in drama he got banned by Konami
I commented under Rarran's video that in every tcg you have to learn what a deck does. There is no deck in any tcg that you can pick up and immediately know the ins and outs of it. His problem was that he didn't learn what either Dragonmaid or Salad does.
Exactly he was ignorant
he just actively refuses to read
@@johnlemon3732He did read, it wasn't shown in the video because he needs to condense hours of live stream into a video.
@@jasonlu9562 even if he did, then nothing of all those reading transfers to the gameplay that he shows in video
@@jasonlu9562 there is reading... and there is learning the cards... looks like he really don't want to learn... he just reads it...
The best way to describe Yu-Gi-Oh compared to other card games is that it is a fighting game, More specifically combo-based fighting games like Arc system works games.
Going into solo mode and saying yes to everything is like going into training mode or arcade mode and spamming buttons instead of learning actual combos.
You need to learn the ins and outs of your deck before you start playing against other people you need to learn how to do your bread and butter against CPUs who are more forgiving than against actual people.
And then when you go against actual people and you see your bread and butter isn't working that's how you learn neutral, aka hand traps and knowing when to use them The fact that even in casual mode this guy bombed so bad is like going into a green room in any arcs game and spamming buttons while everybody else is doing a beginner level bread and butter combo.
It's also like learning to play chess in two hours and then going to a chess tournament, getting destroyed by everyone, and then complaining chess sucks and is too hard.
@@HumanoidCableDreads This only works when you admit the only way to play in town is going to a chess Tournament. Glad to know the only way to play yugioh is ultra competitive meta decking. Gee I wonder the game is hard for newbies to get into.
I think what alot of people misunderstand about Coder being upset at this guy is that he isn't upset at him being bad, but rather his attitude toward the game because of ignorance. Its like saying 'tennis sucks, I can't play it and the lines are so dumb on the court. Why can't I just hit the ball anywhere?' Not realizing why the lines are there and to fully appreciate the game you have to know why and understand the skill it takes to hit them inside those boundaries.
Yup, and tbf, some of the point is kinda true imo.
Like the tutorial isn't very good for new player.
That's why his chat suggested to get couch, and I don't think they mean for a hard couch (like for comboing or in depth situation), but more like the basic stuff.
Cause I think it's better to learn Yugioh from how it started in the 1st place, just ignore any weird system like pendulum, link, etc.
Then slowly getting into a much more hard part latter.
Obviously if you learn Yugioh from zero and learning Link right away, it's like learn how to using a bicycle by using your foot to move.
@@TheMattVis His whole point was if you need to go get outside resource to play a card game then it's not really a good card game in the first place. Someone can read the rulebook of any card game and go get a starter deck of some kind and be able to understand what to do with their deck within like 10 games. MD and like 90% of the YGO playerbase shitting on him cant have the view of a new player that wants to get into the game with literally no help. It's exactly what the konami shareholders are concerned about.
Just for the record, I don't think that Coder was too hard with Rarran. YES, YGO is a fucking complicated 'mess' which will take you hours, days sometimes weeks to get a good start. The two things I think that gatekeep the most are: 1) the huge cardtexts in itself and 2) the amount of summon mechanics and with that specific rules.
What I loved extremely was Coders example with Tekken. I restarted YGO in 2019 the same here I returned to playing Street Fighter - and you know what: Fighting Games and YGO have 1 thing in common.
When you start those games to learn, you know dogshit. You will get your ass beaten 100000times and then start to understand and learn.
That is something not everybody enjoys, I get that. But play to learn and not play to win should be the golden standard for every competitive game, when a person decides to get into it.
i get your point, i also feel where coder is coming from at the same time if you watched rarran stream he watched a combo line of salads and just for that im kinda confused about the complaint rarran did with that duel against rikka. Mostly its the mindset i think rarran had that the game he played before held his hand until he learns the game. like what coder said if you want to learn it you should have the intent of really learning it. yugioh is not for everyone 100% and tutorial in MD is bad.
Basically
I play smash and dude it really feels like ygo sometimes.ygo is the fighting game among the tcgs and thats what i love the combos the cool stuff you can do the interactions aka interupt the shit out of your oponent and breaking there board but what i hate on ygo are floodgates or instawin cards like shifter ( im a pendulumplayer) and ftks like chainburn or any full handloop combo
But at least with fgs, most of the time is a matter of lack of skill and experience, while in ygo we have garbage op decks that push the insanity with each release
@@FA-nd9uk well every game has a meta and you can counter them pretty easy in ygo
I’m also of the belief that Rarran went into masterduel with the intention of making a video titled “I played the most insane card game”, instead of going into the game as someone who at least wanted to start playing it.
I love fighting games and Yu gi oh. I feel they are quite similar in a lot of ways. Watching this was similar to watching new fighting game players mashing buttons frantically and wondering why they didn’t win. Basically every single move you make should have a specific purpose and goal in mind. And good players will punish you extremely hard.
I think its really funny that a trading card game enthusiast like Rarran can just get stonewalled by this game, but a funny vtuber like Nova Aokami can grind and go from a complete noob to an actually competent player in the span of a year.
Like, she's out there playing fucking Labrynth and shit now. If she can figure it out, Rarran can too. He just has to be willing to put in the time.
Put in one year??? I don't think it's very reasonable to expect you to play for a freaking year before you become a "competent player" and start having fun with the game.
@@SorenArcwind If someone can't commit time to a game at all, how are you expecting to then ever learn or be good in the first place? Too many people want to play or be at a competent level but get upset when you obviously will have to put time into it.
@@CV-ct2lw With all due respect, if you expect somebody to play a game for over a year just to be decent at it, you're delusional. No wonder this game has problems to get new players. Most (if not all) other TCGs are much easier to pick up and understand.
@@SorenArcwind Any game with a learning curve will filter an individual then. There isn't a single game out there that doesn't involve putting in time to actually learning how to be skillful and good at, it's not exclusive to TCG's. There's many issues with how the game is managed and Konami should definitely be finding more avenues in making accessibility and resources easier for any players to find or get into but players also need figure out what they also want from the game. Play it casual or not but if you're expecting to compete there's no way around just "learning" the game.
@@CV-ct2lw Of course all games have a learning curve, but many games, specifically TCGs, don't expect you to play for a whole year just to be somewhat decent at it or have fun with it. Rarran actually tried out the Pokémon TCG recently and he found it much easier to learn and play, for example.
Ugh 😮💨 mining pitch gazelle add gazelle that's the part that gets me he didn't even bother understanding what his deck wants to do
and what in game resource is suppose to tell you how to do that beyond him waiting for chat to tell him whats right?
I love the fact that Rarran has his view points based on how his chat convinced him o play Salamangreats after playing just fine Dragonmaids. He was trolled by his chat, haaard.
From fusion heavy deck, to link heavy deck, when you dont even understand both mechanics
I started playing yugioh about a year ago and I am really glad you finally pointed out how crazy it is he didn't just read his cards. My main issue getting into the game was getting hit by insane stuff like DRNM and Super Poly. I got into the game myself and taught myself how to play by looking up guides and reading cards and I seriously don't understand some of these people's complaints. It sorta feels like so many people now just want games to play themselves for you. Sure Master Duel could contain a lot better of tutorial content in it that is more relevant to modern meta stuff, but just complaining that you don't understand what is going on when he barely parses like the first sentence of HIS OWN cards like mid match has very little sympathy from me. Even in the followup he did with Cimo playing Edison the dude just refused to ever read his cards.
when tasked with duelingbook in the followup video too, Cimo would tell him to press "Set" or Press "Normal Summon" and dude still summonned in face up defense, would always click SSummon attack instead, he just hates reading or listening
The reading thing is full cope, almost every single one of those cards has a feature length novel on them, you can't expect a new player to remember that much information and it ignores what his opponents are doing which is even more information to juggle with your understanding of your own cards. It's an unreasonable.
Bruh you are coping or lying if you are gonna sit there and say that all you gotta do is read the cards.
There is no shot that you started playing the game and picked it up (the minimum required to play in current meta) without googling how to guides or having a friend help you.
This is coming from someone who’s played since the game’s conception
I think Coder's take is the one I agree the most on this "Rarran drama"
The 20ish minute in where he's reacting to the "15 minute duel where he played none of it" was pretty perfectly rage inducing imo. Rarran gives up after a single interaction, plays without reading any of the cards on the board. It's also not great that he's been given a deck reliant on normal summons because a single negate to end your turn is basically how it goes in decks like that. Chat was throwing for recommending Salamangreat, Rarran was throwing just in general, setting up for failure every single time. He clicked random buttons for 5 hours and called it lame, not realizing he was a part of that lameness. There was a reason people in his chat were flaming him constantly because he was being a bit of an asshole about it to boot. He just doesn't show that much of it in the highlights
Later on he went on multiple rants about how YGO is complex but not in an interesting way, despite not even learning how to play through a single negation or hand trap for most of his playthrough, thereby showing that he knows nearly nothing about how higher level play goes. Watch how he assumes the learning curve of ygo in like the first 2 hours of playing MD, even though arguably the game gets more complex in the higher end of the spectrum
he even admitted to having read the card in another video too to try to counter the complains that he got about not reading his cards but this just makes it worst for him
the fact that he did read his cards prior meant that he deliberately chooses to portray himself this way and frame yugioh the way he did
having read the cards yet commit nothing to memory like not even just the UR and/or SR is not doing him any favors because he basically went from “didnt read cards” -> “fumbles everything” to “did read cards (choose not to let this be known)” -> “still fumbles everything”
Card game players who are used to Magic and Magic-like games like Hearthstone are used to being able to bootstrap off of concepts that come along with having a Magic-like, accumulating mana system - e.g. it is turn 2 and I have 2 mana and a 2 drop 2/2, next turn I will have 3 mana and a 3 drop 3/3, etc. That kind of system allows them to largely ignore card text at the most basic level. This is not possible in games without a Magic-like mana system. Reading your cards and knowing what they do is integral to gameplay. The issue here is that so many people who come newly into Yu-Gi-Oh and come out saying shit like this ARE coming from Magic or Hearthstone or some game like this that is essentially a glorified Magic clone with some improvements to Magic's core mechanics (e.g. not relying on a stack of bricks - lands - that you need to draw to accumulate mana and therefore play the game and instead gaining it deterministically like in Hearthstone), and for some fucking reason they expect that every game should work like Magic, which is where you get this particular emphasis on there being "no mana resource system" - I mean he even put it in the thumbnail of the video in giant letters 'NO MANA'. They fetishize Magic and its accumulating mana system and hold it to be the standard for card game systems when it neither has nor deserves such a place.
I sure love waiting 5 turns till something remotely fun happens or just dying to aggro before then.
I got into this game last year , the game was so complicated at the start and I did so many mistakes ( and still do) but instead of fueling my rage it fueled my interest , I was like " Why? Does this work this way , why does that do that , e.t.c. " , there were times that I blamed the game for my misplays but then ladies and gentlemen I started doing a "basic" human function , I read and read. I played slowly and carefully , I took my time and kept dueling and everytime I wasn't sure of something Solo mode was there to justify my rights and my wrongs about what I am able to do with the cards I have in my hand. Hearthstone is a fun little game that if you play long enough it doesn't require that much attention but Yu-gi-oh requires constant effort to understand and keep up since every deck is much more unique than the other.
Salamangreat came out when i was 12 years old. I took the deck to MAIN EVENT NATIONALS in 2019 when i was 13. I went like 5-3-1 with the deck and fully understood what i was doing... at 13... this guy is like 30 and plays tcgs for a living how can he not understand this
Cause he hasn't been playing yugioh since it came out, he's brand new. I imagine he also has better things to do than run a literal research project to understand one deck from this game.
@@lordteensie6156 I literally just said salad came out when I was 12... I clearly was not alive when yugioh came out 😭😭😭
@@johnnickfanaccount3492 sorry I don't keep up enough to do math on yugioh card releases (God help me) but let me tailor that remark to help you out; he hasn't been playing yugioh since he was an age were he could literally devote his entire life to understanding this card game, he's coming into it completely ignorant, he doesn't know the things you're clearly taking for granted
You had the option to buy the structure decks which conveniently has this nice little paper playmat which on the other side has words on it that tell you the basic summary of the deck strategy. On MD you literally just buy 3 structures and they have 0 information on them like IRL to tell you the basic game plan or how to improve your deck in the future.
@@RandomGuyCDN ima be honest I didn't read that paper playmat and even if I did they don't actually tell u shit
This has me wanting to react to Rarran from a complete casual's point of view. I got back into playing Yugioh with other people in highschool back in 2010. I got bodied by Infernities and it made me study what Infernities could do by playing on Dueling Network.
Then I saw all these other deck types. I played them and learned what I was doing wrong. Then for modern Yugioh, I've been relearning from you and other Yugitubers like @MBTYuGioH
Yeah, a year ago I had no interest in playing Yugioh, but my brother did. Then Master Duel came, and we played 2 games with the starter decks and I got hooked...not knowing how Pendulum and Links worked, or what was meta. By just READING THE CARDS, I began to understand immediately.
Honey wake up coder dropped a 30 minute video
30 days late too
As someone who just started playing ygo with master duel about a month ago, I understand both sides. My first day playing I had no idea what was happening at all and was just pressing buttons bricking my own hand consistently. At one point I did mentally check out and lost motivation to play the game the moment someone played a card that had more than 1 paragraph of effects. If you have any sort of competitive drive you can definitely understand this game. The resources out there for combos is ridiculous. A lot of the game is solved to a certain extent depending on decks/interactions and matchups. If you want to get better at ygo you better start cramming information and making a lot of mistakes.
I highly recommend stuff like ygopro or ygo omega so you can try out all deck for free, and you can practice a lot there
I stopped playing right when XYZs started showing up. Came back right before the Rokket structure came out. So I decided to buy 3 of the structure and focused on that deck until I was comfortable taking it to locals. After reading/learning new master rules and understanding the deck I chose, that's when I started looking into making a fiend deck(my favorite type). Unchained released by that point I really loved them.
If this dude really played Yugi before, there was no reason for him to be that terrible at the game.
RanRanch set out to make a point. He wasn't honest from the get-go.
This dude made me feel like grabbing him by his shirt and spit scream into his face "STOP CLICKING SHIT!!!" 😂
Mining discard Gazelle just makes my brain hurt...
If he really wanted a "monke brain spam yes go first deck" he should have played floo
The way I made my friend play the game, I just gave him my account and just: "Choose a deck, and I will guide you. If you don't like any, you will create an account, and I will let you know how it goes. "
We were hour and half at this, and if I didn't manipulate some shit with the second account, he was long gone.
After a month or so, he plays more than me and already has my number of decks
It's kind of funny Rarran does the equivalent of playing Defender of Argus, then getting confused the minion didn't get taunt every match he played on master duel in the video.
I have never seen a better comparison and practical example of „refuses to read the cards“
He went in with the mindset that he wasn't gonna like it in the first place, just wants to show his audience that he was right that Yu-Gi-Oh is "ridiculous". His meltdown while reacting to Farfa's reaction shows it. He had no intention of wanting to learn how to play at all. I didn't know how to play when Master Duel started aside from knowing the summoning mechanics until XYZ which the tutorial teaches you anyways so he and I were pretty much at the same starting point. I played, got to know what each cards do and now I can beat meta decks with non meta so I really can't see what the problem is.
I have played Hearthstone for 1 week after this video came out. Got Legend again and quit probably forever now.. The game has way less interaction and it is just a race who gets his win condition first. And a lot of games are decided on turn 2 or 3 because it is impossible to get back the tempo loss if you did not open thet well. Losing there feels worse than get floodgated. People just do not know they have lost and still play out 6 more turns.
The main problem I've seen with his take is he's saying knowing hearthstone means all other card games are easier. Like magic or runeterra but all of those are based on magic so that knowledge doesn't translate to yugioh
Yugioh is still within the genre of MTG-based, but it’s the farthest removed within that genre
Pokémon-based games are the next genre, but I don’t know much about them.
@@eugenideddishuh? Pokémon tcg is a modified version of magic too even published by WotC in the beginning. YGO is far more different from MTG.
I remember reading somewhere that Kazuki Takahashi went out of his way to make it as little like MTG as possible.
My favorite describiption of these games is Hearthstone is checkers, MTG is chess, and Yugioh is CoD
@@giblesdestructDoesn't really work since Yugioh is more strategic than MTG and Hearthstone where as CoD is a baby game compared to chess or even checkers.
I got into Yugioh from watching the tv shows and in my opinion, watching the shows helped me understand the game a lot better than doing any of the tutorials did. After watching how the shows played the game, it was easier for me to learn cause I based my plays on what I saw in the shows and expanded after reading the cards and gaining experience.
As a long time MTG player and been mid - high Elo in other tcgs I found yugioh complicated to get into but I put the time in and watched guides etc. I feel like the in game tutorial could have been better but in the format currently supported by Master duel there are just too many cards or mechanics to teach. However saying that Yugioh is now my favourite tcg 😅
ygo master duel was legit the first card game i got into and generally speaking it literally is just a case of read your own cards and read the opponents cards and eventually it'll just come down to recognize keywords like negate, ands, ifs, thens, destroy, send and graveyard
The problem that Rarran had when he was frustrated with the game is that he just clicked buttons in Casual without taking the time to save the replay and watch it back, to realize what he actually did. He didn't analyze what he did from at least a card-advantage perspective to realize, "oh, I had 5 cards and I ended on a board with 2 cards that do nothing."
And then he proceeds to switch decks without having a proper understanding of Dragonmaids in the first place, trying out Salamangreat (and actually doing a bit better), but doesn't slow down to look at what the game is having him do. He banished monsters with Accesscode, not realizing that he has 1 less monster to banish each time. He should have asked himself, "why do I have less monsters I can banish each time?". That's how he might actually STOP banishing when he has 2 attributes to banish, then think "okay, why do I have fewer options to banish?", then re-read the card and find that it locks you into banishing unique attributes during the turn (if he finds that part of the card). Then MAYBE he might not banish his own boss monster.
TLDR; self-awareness is important. ALSO, find a coach, like Rarran ended up doing with Cimo later on. Yes, it ruins the purpose of making that video, but it doesn't make Yu-Gi-Oh any easier to not have a coach. There's nothing wrong with having a coach for Yu-Gi-Oh.
If he kept going bright light = click here then he might as well play w a blindfold for all is worth.
I'd like to give rarran's chat my biggest and silliest pair of clown shoes for giving him a not great and also complicated deck, instead of something easy to understand like DM or floo.
We needed this Coder. Thank you.
I picked up yugioh during early TOSS format and I was able to figure it out because I wanted to learn to play the game. This guy didn’t want to learn to play yugioh he wanted to prove a point to himself and people who already agree with him.
Wrong perspective. IF your someone lets say who's never touched card games in their live beyond the OG YGO times. Then you come back years later because MD releases this would literally be the same experience for a lot of people. HE even said he treated this as someone who is completely new beyond what he used to know and forgot. These opinions you old heads have towards new players and their blind new player experience is why a bunch of potential new players left in droves after MD shadow dropped.
Great video, Coder. His whole video feels like he's intentionally or unintentionally missing the fact that yugioh is just a different type of game. People talk about how yugioh doesnt have a resource system but it does. Cards in hand, life points, the cards in play act in a way that functions like a resource and some people dont get that. You also gotta love when someone refuses to read their cards and goes "Well this sucks, I used everything and nothing happened."
You know ygo has a recource system like you said ( board grave and handcards) after you overextended and got beaten by evenly or something like that still happens to me sometimes
Are you saying that cards in hand are resources? Literally every card game has that. Also Lp in yugioh basically doesn't matter anymore, the only thing important is how better is your board
@victorlander7982 yes cards in hand are a resource unlike other games. Reveal, discard, costs that use cards to activate effects.
And yes. Life points don't matter. Because they are a resource to be spent. That's why the only one that matters is the last one.
@@victorlander7982As someone who plays dinomorphia i can attest life points is important.
@@victorlander7982 I think there are some key differences though. In Yu-Gi-Oh, you're allowed to actively respond to your opponent's actions. There are cards that punish players for overextending or going to far into a board without their own version of interaction. You could accidentally summon 5 monsters and get run over by Nibiru. You could not set up enough interaction to deal with Evenly Matched. You could set too many backrow cards and lose to Lightning Storm. The skill of the game comes from knowing when you should stop or when you should continue. Cards themselves act as a stand-in for resources, if you lose those cards, you lose those resources.
My guy trying to cut wood with a spoon cuz he didn't read what a saw does...
Exactly 💯💯💯😂
What i did to teach my friends yugioh was go for simple decks with concepts they like for example my friends who likes risk and gambeling played pure danger and my friend who loved pegasus from the anime played toons from there they started understanding the game language bit by bit and then i introduced them to the simple form of each summoning type so they can choose the one they liked the most and from there i gave them deck options that suited them
When first coming back it seemed hard, but all in all its pretty much all there, after that find archetypes you like, learn some lines, repeat.
Most of the confusing things were solved for me after.. yeahh, reading.
(By the way, the last time I played Yu-Gi-Oh before Master Duel was Yu-Gi-Oh Worldwide Edition Stairway to the Destined Duel.)
In locals we had 2 guys join us recently with barely no knowledge. One fresh from 0 the other from Edison.
Both were extremely fucking confused on what the fuck was going on and did the "Play everything and pray" thing (Click yes turbo irl) and of course got rolled by everyone.
But they didn't rage because we made it crystal clear that if they don't stop, read and analyze they will never learn. And while I agree that the tutorials should explain game mechanics better, I think the most important thing would be to display the importance of reading and working on that comprehension of what each word means to you in a given moment first.
Because honestly I believe that with that foundation you can then move on to advanced tutorials explaining all the actually hard stuff since the player will now say "Ok i was told to stop and read, I will do that" and provide simplified scenarios for the player to solve. Like the lethal puzzles on duel links that give you all the cards but you gotta figure out how they work yourself and learn new things.
Right now those 2 players picked up Traptrix as their first deck and are learning the ins and outs of everything very quickly, they both always stop to ask what the cards they see do and whenever they win or lose they ask questions.
You don't really need a coach to play YGO or even start in Edison if you don't want to. You just need to understand that this is gonna take a bit and enjoy learning at your pace.
Yeah, not having "pick up and play" things is an issue but I am confident that if you just take it slow there's enjoyment for everyone in advanced format.
Or you pick up another format if that's your cup of tea of course.
can you imagine a game not being pick up and play and still being a good game?... personally i didn't have this experience but dark souls 3 is a game you die a lot supposedly and learn from mistakes and get punished brutally i didn't get that brutalized game was moderate difficulty that is to say it did get hard for me but mostly later in the game which is expected.
the fact salamagreat is coder favourite deck is 10x funnier to me.
Going back to the fighting game analogy, Coder says that you should try each character out and then use the one you like. Rarran is picking a random character, not reading their move list, and just spamming the punch button and hoping to win, and if he takes any damage or misplays, he just puts the controller down because he can't hit his opponent with his punch. Then he complains that the game is too hard and unapproachable because he couldn't figure out what to do when all he has to do is READ HIS DAMN CARDS!
People complain fighting games are too hard as well. There is a mentality among some people that if they can't be good at something right away there is no point bothering with it.
Yep he's a yugioh player alright
Right but at least most fighting games have a baseline of auto combos you can figure out and also have command lists to show you basic stuff. Yu-Gi-Oh doesn't let you take default decks and see the default flowchart
@@alexnoack9941I dare you to go into a ranked fighting game and win with target combos.
@@danielnoe5734The language Yugioh uses is simple though. Draw, destroy, banish, discard, etc. These aren't difficult concepts to understand intuitivly.
As someone who mostly learned to play modern yugioh through Master Duel, the better way is honestly to start with a simple but powerful deck (i.e. Eldlich, Swordsoul, Sky Striker). Sometimes you just need to be able to fall back on an effective low-brain strategy while you can observe how the game is supposed to be played and what other good decks could fit your playstyle.
nah not even this would help him, dude is just clicking yes to everything that the only way he would play it is if the game ironically plays itself for him
For me the biggest turnoff for yugioh was learning to understand your opponents decks. I entered the master duel release as a yugiboomer with basic yugioh knowledge. It was somewhat easy to learn my own deck which was pendulum magician ftk and live twins, but it was really hard to figure out what to do at what moment on my opponents turn because i either didn't know my opponents cards, or didn't know what my opponents gameplan was. At that point you kinda get into a brainless yellow button clicking game where you destroy/negate your opponents cards till he runs out of ressources...or doesn't. Ascending from that point to actually understanding your opponents deck, the cards he is likely using, and the cards you have to interact with to be able to disrupt your opponents gameplan felt like a big hurdle. In the end i never really understood what tri-brigade or virtual worlds do because most of those cards felt like the same cards with a slightly different picture. I did reach the highest rank in like 2 seasons by grinding ftk games but i can't really say that i actually played real yugioh. Looking back at it i should have spent more time actually trying to understand my opponents decks and cards and how they interact with one another. Ended up quitting and just watching master saga/roulette and distantcoder vids.
learning what the opponent does is something of a gradual process if you never played the deck yourself, its not something your suppose to immediately comprehend anyway
While Master Duel has its problems, I think being able to save and watch your games back is one of the best, undervalued learning tools a new player has at their disposal. You don't even have to play a single game. You can queue into someone's already completed game, watch it, and even pause it to read cards. Hell, every simulator out there lets you do this and even lets you replay it with a play-by-play.
You dont really have to learn all of your opponent's cards. When I play, usually i wait until they bring out a strong monster or a troublesome spell/trap. By then, i already have my ways to destroy them
The deck I learned with was D/D/D from 2017. It only took till 2020 before I had a full grasp on everything
Who threw you that hard into the deep end, lol? I got into this on Duel Links With Synchron.
@@fracturedfuture370 I'm turning 19 soon and I've played since I was about 8. So I had a small idea of how fusions and xyz work. Synchro and pendulum were still unknown to me because I hadn't watched their shows. I got curious about how pendulum worked so I looked I up on RUclips. Until then me and my friends kinda just made up our own rules based off the shows. I owned Ragnarok, Kepler, berfamet, necro slime, swirl slime, and gate. When I realized that I could use them to quickly set up ragnarok as a big wall that can banish every turn I then got my mom to buy me the structure deck and from there everything came to me and I started learning the real rules. For scale the competition was middle school blue eyes decks without any eyes of blue monsters other than maiden.
Coder yelling at Ranran to read the cards when he is reading them but still having trouble understanding what they do is the most yugioh thing ever.
You’re supposed to read your cards before the game, not during it. You don’t have time during the game to figure out what your cards do
@@MysticCouchPotato You expect a new player to read thousands upon thousands of cards to understand every potential deck before they play?
Do you have any idea how delusional that sounds my guy?
The fact still remains that even if you read the cards, you still don't immediately grasp what they *do.* As in what their effects translate to for a combo or what the general gameplan is.
@@obiesenpai3869I read every single Sky Striker card and made my own deck from it, so I didn't have to read my cards to know what to do.
Me knowing what my cards can accomplish means I only need to know what the cards my enemy plays so that's much less things to think of.
And yes, you don't immediately grasp what your cards do. But that's why you play one deck and not immediately swap out like an idiot. I played a few hundred duels before I felt confident on playing a deck outside of Strikers
@@obiesenpai3869 I expect him to read 40. Just read your own deck. That’s all that was asked
@@MysticCouchPotato Except you can't play the game by just reading your deck my guy. You also have to read your opponent's cards.
First thing I did when I started Yu-Gi-Oh and Digimon, read the official guide book and watched tutorials.
Something i notice a lot is that new players pick decks where all the startrrs/extenders operate different which i believe is a bad thing. My first deck was salad, but after a few weeks and it wasnt clicking for me. So looking for a new deck i ran into someone on drytron. I liked the aestetic of the drytron monsters and tried them out, and i liked them a lot more. The reason i did is because, no matter the reason why you dont like drytron, all the starters/extenders all operate the same with minor differences. Making drytron more beginner friendly then a lot of other decks. For new players we should be showing them decks with cards that do similar things like drytron or dinomorphia or spright or swordsoul. Decks like salad have so many different moving parts making it hard for new players to learn the game with them.
They're new so no one is there to really tell them the specifics😂
@@luqmanloki4803 I didn't make it clear in the comment what the solution should so I'll say it here. Master duels structure decks besides the anime ones should be made up of these easy to understand decks and should be completed decks and not just one of's. (Minus staples, which you should also be aware of elsewhere)
I started playing master duel without learning xyz pend link summon mechanic (although i played tag force 3 game and learned synchro summon mechanic there).
I picked salad as my first deck to learn link summoning, and i spent couple of weeks playing salad before hopping into mathmech and sky striker deck. I admit learning link summoning was bit tricky: not having enough or wrong material, forgetting the link arrow. But eventually i got to learn and understand it. Xyz summoning wasn't too hard for me since it's just stacking 2+ monsters with same level.
I feel like anyone can get into yugioh, but should not expect that they'll learn all game mechanics quick.
Yu-Gi-Oh, the Dark Souls of card games?
I remember one comment "mtg, and heart stone is like playing chess and yugioh is cod'
unfortunately yugioh was never designed to be played online with zero input from the environment that youre playing in, which is what he was trying to do. playing with a friend or with people in your vicinity was how it started and your friends you play yugioh with casually try to help you learn as you play has power creep hit yugioh yes but trying to play a complicated game without some form of instruction is like going to a chess tournament without knowing how the pieces move
The same thing happened with Pokémon Unite and Mr. whostheboss. Guy spent $100 to upgrade a couple items and then called it pay to win after losing😂
I think farfa put it really well when he said that other games, like hearthstone, make you *feel like* you're playing the game, while yugioh doesn't. In a game like hearthstone, just inherent to the mana system, there will be some amount of turns of passing back and forth with both players playing a card or two and not really doing anything - even if you're actually completely screwed, you get to put some cards down. In yugioh though, because every card does so much, if you're screwed you basically won't get to play any cards.
This is where I think Rarran's perception of the game as he tried it out was so skewed. In Hearthstone, if you're playing a bunch of cards you're probably doing something impactful, even if the result is just a bunch of vanilla big guys. In yugioh, since there's no restriction on how many cards you can play, it's more about how you use each card - which card you choose to search, or summon, and picking which boss monsters or other end board pieces to move towards.
They don't make you feel like you are playing the game, you "are" playing the game.
@@bej4987 you're "playing the game" in that you're moving cards around on the table, but not in that you're actually engaged in the decision-making involved in which cards to play and when. When you're watching your opponent's combo waiting for the perfect opportunity to use the ash blossom in your hand to put a stop to it, you might not be moving cards around, but you absolutely are engaging with the decision-making. Since these games are about strategic decisions, rather than just moving bits of card around, the latter is much more "playing the game", I feel.
(not to say that games like hearthstone and magic don't have strategic decision-making, they absolutely do, they just give you more opportunity to move cards around without any idea what you're doing - making you feel like you're playing the game, when you're doing the equivalent of button-mashing in a fighting game.
This isn't an indictment on those games either; being able to fumble around not knowing what you're doing like that tends to create a better experience for new players than demanding full knowledge of the game to even know what interaction looks like. It just explains the frustration Rarran was feeling quite well (alongside the fact that he likely went into the game expecting to not have fun))
@@bej4987 You are just sitting there waiting for the opponent to combo kill you from hand on turn 6 with 0 interaction because while you were pushing cards around you shouldve actually been rushing them down to prevent them living till they found combo.
I picked up Master Duel after not having played since the Synchro era. I thought things like xyz, pendulums, links were all insane and I'd never learn them - Thing is, I didn't just give up after losing, I found a deck I enjoyed and went straight into ranked. I learned combos for my deck, but I also learned the combos for other decks and picked those up as well. It honestly wasnt hard? The trick - READ YOUR FUCKING CARDS
Yes this game that we all love is difficult but what he's doing is the same as trying to study to be a doctor but then refusing to read your text books or getting guidance from those who can help...
you are comparing playing a card game to becoming a doctor, do you think that's normal?
@@budderk1305with how many rules and nuances come up in ygo, YES. There's a reason for the joke "ygo is for lawyer"
@@budderk1305it’s called an analogy
@@budderk1305Taking everything literally and not understanding figurative language is normal though? Are you a caveman?
Bro really said, "I like Hearthstone because I can turn brain off."
People say rikka isn’t capable of going second but rikka is pretty capable of otking going second letting you play boradwipes while still making to possible to have a going first board
depends can it play 2nd against labrynth? probably not :/ how about any stun variant? okay okay we can go back to combo, can it go 2nd against branded this seems a bit more fair no? but they are for sure not favored to win the match up from that position
@@kindklan8020 lab is it’s main weakness that’s why my preferred going second card for the deck is lightning storm so I can get rid of back row if their more relavant. Since rikka is able to weave monster removal just into the combo
Gonna throw my two cents on the "giving less options to newer players" thing. Totally agree, in fact, I started playing YGO when masterduel was released, and my first deck was thunderdragon (cuz i remembered OG TD from my childhood and was like, "cool this guy is playable now i guess". The fact that the deck has so obvious normal summons (like pretty much lupine or matrix if you have no lupine) made it so much more intuitive to play, and the branching out of combo lines, which was not very hard but not easy aswell, made it so that i got to understand how the game works and what is my deck capable of doing at a reasonable pacing. I think dragonmaids and salads have way much more nuance in terms of how you wanna start and do your turns, as they are pretty much midrange decks for the most part. This makes it that info is way too frontloaded rather than being more spread out when it comes to deck piloting. Maybe a more linear deck in terms of gameplan would´ve been better, like your typical "you wanna get to this monster, by any means necessary" type of decks
I am a Yugi-Boomer, and I struggled really hard when I first started playing Master Duel. I had played some of the video games leading up to it, so I understood Synchro and Xyz Summoning, but I did not understand Link summoning at all. Another thing with the learning curve for Yu-Gi-Oh. It isn't just learning your own deck, but learning your opponent's. Knowing when it is best to interrupt your opponent's play and which cards to look out for. There is probably this to a degree in Hearthstone and other card games, but for the most part Yu-Gi-Oh is typically over in two to three turns. So it is crucial that you use your interruptions in key moments the best way that you can. There is also the deck building side of things. Not all decks are created equal and not all deck builds of a particular deck type are created equal. There is overall a lot to learn about Yu-Gi-Oh, which is why it can be so fun. Frustrating at times, but also fun. It really depends on the meta as well. Tearlaments/Ishizu made Master Duel so incredibly boring in my opinion. But, overall you have to be ready to fail, and learn from your mistakes. Also be willing to learn from your opponent. There are many times, I came across really cool combos I just never thought of before. Primarily because there are so many cards in the game I am just not aware of, because I was away from it for so long.
I think it's safe to say 90% of cards in Yugioh aren't played at all. And if you run across a non-meta card you have never seen before you can ask your opponent to read it.
I agree with this
I am having a really hard time understanding what yugi boomers find so hard about link summoning or extra deck summoning in general:
Synchro = tuner with levels + non tuner with levels
Xyz = two monsters with the same level
Link = any monsters that are listed on the link monsters requirement (kinda like a fusion monster with generic material and you dont need to use polymerization)
???
I avoided anything that had a heavy link presence because I didn't understand it and the mechanic didnt interest me at the time, so I stuck with a Blue Eyes-Dragonmaid deck and I kept familiar with the mechanics that I used when I was a kid playing the Tag Force games. I eventually moved to Branded Despia, then Swordsoul and now I'm playing Dragonlinks (lemme tell you I spent days perfecting the stupid combo and then I had to learn what to do if I got interrupted) and I love it. It took me a while to learn everything but even having only barely remembered mechanics from the anime, I powered my way through the learning curve of Yu-Gi-Oh.
@@redfalcon7598 Yeah it was interesting learning some of the new deck types. I learned a lot from content creators like Coder, and others. Other channels like the ones that just show replays can be interesting to learn from as well, as they introduce you to cards and combos you may not have thought of.
new yugioh content : play rated and click yes on every interaction
As so.eone who came back to MD after 20 years of not playing and have now topped big events and won community tournaments. The game does seem like alot but if you're willing to ACTIVELY learn the game. It doesn't take long at all. Maybe a week or 2 to learn the mechanics and then a mever ending stage of learning new decks (to you)
There are people out there who just want to be good at something without putting in the effort and YGO is just not the game for them.
@@HumanoidCableDreads you're absolutely correct.
I was eating while watching this and I've choked during "Click Yes Turbo"
He wasn’t trying to learn in good faith. I learned from master duel after starting with a blue eyes deck getting beat down by everything, until I started my blind second chaos max deck - Now I’ve got meta decks and a cool bystial buster blader deck
I agree. Something ticks me off and it seems as if Rarran already had a presupposition before entering this game. While the tutorial left so much to be desired, he seemed to expect the tutorial to hand hold him to understand the META. That is not how tutorial works. Tutorial is to teach basic mechanic and how to play the game. E.g, Pokemon tutorial albeit boring, teaches the simple mechanic on how to catch Pokemon, battle, and usage of item. What items are good, what Pokemon is good, which moveset should I play are for us to figure out.
raran did not try for a single minute to learn the game. he just complained and compared it to hearthstone the whole stream. He was just trying to get some highlights and make an easy video. if you see him play hearthstone, i think he has not build a deck by himself since blizzard made the autocomplete; he also got used to play in lower ranks where the oponent is practically doing nothing so he can get an easy win for his videos@@hoohenokh2090
We all banish our access code at least once by mistake. It's THE yugioh experience.
I understand it's hard to get to into Yu-Gi-Oh but I have successfully gotten many of my friends into it and none of them managed to be that incompetent at reading cards so I'm gonna say it's a personal problem.
My friend got me into it and the only time I struggle now is when my dyslexia kicks in and I misread a card
The guy should have gave him list with board breakers, such as evenly match or dark ruler. experience wouldve been much smoother
I have to agree with rarran. The way yugioh is currently is the least beginner friendly card game of them all. We could definitely use with some kind lf easier play method that can still translate to the actual game, unlike rush duels.
Edit: another thing i think coder probably didnt know, he read his cards beforehand, but STILL didnt understand. He was rereading them at that point.
apparently a complicated game cant have a good tutorial what a moronic take
Then that’s a reading comprehension problem no? Though I agree that for some reason the TCG goes out of its way to make card text as indigestible as possible, that wasn’t really a point made
That’s what solo is for. Solo teaches you while holding your hand. But you have to learn the deck you wanna use. When I came back into Yugioh without knowing the modern cards I stopped playing in 05. I didn’t have money for more. But I had to learn the modern cards. I found an archetype I liked (Scareclaw) learned it then proceed to get to gold. Then I changed to mathmech then g golem. Then unchained. Once I learned the meta cards the rest were easy
I think that's a fine trade off to the higher ceiling of yugioh compared to other games.
@@sirlaysabout6744it's not, the game is simply way too complicated to understand even if you read all of your cards, literally watch mbt's video and stop coping. Also the solo mode is 1. Useless because it doesn't teach you the ideas of modern yugioh and 2. You cannot expect a new player to waste hours playing against ai, they realistically want to actually play against a human being within the first 5 hours of buying a new product
20:50 As a fellow Salad enjoyer, this kinda hurts me too xD
But I understand. It took me a while to properly learn Salads, which unironically, wasn’t even the first deck I picked up in MD.
He taught me that hearthstone players have a seventh grade reading level and have no real abstraction of how a deck works
As a beginner, or someone getting back into yugioh there are steps. 1. Try it out, find a deck that plays in your style, after you find that deck , watch build and combo videos to help learn that deck , study and test that deck. And get good by practice.
Completely missed his point. His whole point is the game is completely not friendly to beginners as every other card game is. The fact he's a content creator means he automatically gets outside help from chat. You shouldnt have use outside resources and spend hours reading and understanding just to play 1 match in a card game. LoR/ MTG Arena and PTCG all have basic tutorials in their clients for players to learn the game. MD has tutorials that take hours to get through that dont teach you the game. IF a game requires you to use outside resources beyond the resource of looking up a deck list then how do you expect anyone new to get into it. I wouldnt want to spend 4 hours understand the rules and all the sentence structures of cards just to then jump in and have to read every essay of a card the opponent has just to get rolled and do that for hours. IF players arent winning and feel like they have a shot in a game from a new player they will just quit and never come back.
@RandomGuyCDN I understand bro . Didn't miss it . I lived it been playing since it came out. But if you want to play a game of trauma then go for competitive. If not casual playing is pretty easy
His comparison with league makes sense and in a way i think the learning process is relatively similar between lol and ygo.
So I don't understand why he's so frustrated with learning ygo. The tutorial in league is equally as bad, if not worse. It teaches you only the controls and very basic gameplay. You need to either learn from someone who knows how to play or invest endless amounts of time to know what to actually do. Not knowing what your cards do is equally as bad as playing a champion you don't know the abilities of.
Another thing that's similar is that just because you know how to play your champion/deck doesn't mean you know how to play the game correctly.
League is imo as complicated and hard to learn as ygo and if he was able to learn lol, he should be able to read AND understand what at least his own cards do.
The difference is league doesn't tell you how ass you are at the game.
Like maybe 1% of the LoL players have even a tiny grasp of what sorta game they are playing and how to meaningfully perform their role in it.
But somehow the remaining 99% are perfectly content with being bad and never learning for years.
You can always blame your team in league despite blundering opportunity after opportunity and putting your team into bad spots that cause them to look worse.
Leagues biggest successes are the matchmaking which is very good at creating even teams and its big playerbase which allows the matchmaking to function.
If league was dead and it matched players from big gaps in elo the game would bleed players very fast.
But instead everyone gets to play with 9 other players who are just as comatose as they are.
@@luminous3558 You can also shift blame on being bad in ygo. You just blame the cards or Konami as a whole that you loose games.
Just look at the last clip where he played vs the rikka deck. He could have easily won that, but instead he missplayed because he didn't read his cards and blamed the game for that.
@@Ind3xPlus its not the same, in league you can wholly shift the blame off yourself, in ygo the cards may lay out bad but at the end of the day you chose to play them and how to play them, so you still feel personally at fault on SOME level. but in league? you can look at the bottom laner who went 3 and 10 and go "oh we lost because that guy fed" even if you went 3 and 7, and just completely divest any personal involvement in the loss.
17:45 I totally agree I literally mirror matched Swordsoul and broke a Chixiao Barrone Board with a called by facedown
Rarran does have some good points and some of his criticism is valid, but other streamers who don't have a tcg background managed to learn the game i.e (sykkuno); it kinada hard to believe that rarran came into to the game actually wanting to learn the game.
Lots of his points are valid but then he goes to counter his own points by not reading his cards and continuously clicking buttons. It's practically like saying Tekken is extremely, glancing at the combo list a few times then deciding to mash a and b. He keeps saying he wants to learn the game, learn the deck, then continuously misplaying by saying "this game is unwinnable" and not actually trying to learn. He had a bad mentality throughout the entire process
@@Suremate... he actually did admitted to reading his cards in another vid but also says that he didnt include it because it looks boring
validity of that claim aside that just makes him look worst because it means this is how he deliberately choose to portray himself as and frame yugioh the way he did
Man if every card have 50+ words essays you are just delusional if you think that you could read it only a few times and fully understand what it does
@@darkshark3906you absolutely can. Most effects in the game can be boiled down to key words like in MTG , it's just that they need to write all of it on the card which makes it seem longer than it actually is. That Salamangreat Sunlight Wolf, a card he has played for example, all of it's text acn be shorten to "2 effect monsters to summon, can get a Salamangreat monster back from the graveyard if a monster is summoned to it's arrows, can get a spell/trap back from the graveyard if it's reincarnation summoned". Assuming you know all the basic terms in the game there's no reason why you wouldn't know what it does after reading and/or playing it a few times.
@@mr.orange2192 daym, I don’t know shit about the game, just seen some cards, that have unreasonable effects to shorten
Good thing this video came out while the discourse is still hot.
I invited my friend to play MD with me. He never played yugioh before, i myself played it only to the synchro era, so pendulum-link-xyz summoning were new to me too, but i could still help him to learn the basics. His first deck was blue-eyes, than glad-beast and now floo is his favourite.
The fact he now likes Floo shows we as a community are fucked. 😂
How did you mange to let him get to the darkside
crazy monkey: Throw bannanas
I feel like the conclusion you came to at 13:50 is the perfect description for this whole clown show. Dude just wanted to clown on the game and say it's ridiculous. Got way more attention than it deserved. We know the issues, no one knows how to fix them. Konami can't or won't fix them, so I hope people like him either play in good faith or please move along.
Learning on just pure DM was a good way for me to learn all the new stuff after i took a ten year break from yugioh. Normal summon rod … go from there
Choosing to learn dragon maid was a big mistake imo. He needs to try a simple deck that tackles the execution of hand traps, back row, and negates. That way he doesn't get constantly bodied and not knowing why things are happening that are out of his control. Since to new players it's always the same song and dance. Their deck does things and my deck doesn't get to do anything.
Yet it's still a problem because overall they don't wanna read and understand why certain interactions are what they are such as miss timing. So when Rarran played yu-gi-oh I knew what to expect. You got someone with the aim to make a video for the sake of confirmation bias and he achieved. He isn't trying to learn and execute his deck competently but trying to play on auto.
Why? Dragonmaid is a baby simple deck to learn, his problem was that he didnt understand his cards (he may have read them but understanding is different). He was trying to learn it like hearthstone or magic where you can skim card text and click on stuff that seems good.
i started with live twins and it teaches you so much. How and when to negates, how to get creative, how to play through and bait hand traps, and can play so many hand traps. (this was way before spright was even thought about and even before trouble sunny btw) pure live twins is amazing
@@Slybandito7 It's simple but having a new player understand the concept of a card changing forms during battle and main phases is an extra step for their auto brains to comprehend especially because their unique effects. Not worth it.
@@ethansmith1991 If you wanted to play that deck that is way more helpful for you as a player starting than someone playing a deck for the sake of confirmation bias and not bothering to understand what the card effects do and why since you aren't interested to begin with.
@@gormy7293 live twins is super easy. every card does the same thing. normal summon twin, summon one from deck
I wouldn't be surprised if @Rarran reacted to this at some point (and yes i put the atsighn hoping he would see it to increase the odds because every moment that urked your nervs did the same to me) i mean i came to yugioh from the pokemon tcg and i came to that from magic the gathering but i say yugioh and magic are the best of them in that order (best to worst) but for me it wasnt all that hard to learn i played synchro against my sister's pend deck and once we got more cards i can call myself lucky enough to say i starting hand exodiad somebody but at the end of the day i read my cards and i had fun
The fact that he came in under the pretense of "I'm doing this for a video" means he got the outcome that he was looking for. His video was about YGO being hard to learn so he made it harder on himself to learn it.
It comes across like that