'We did hate each other' - how Max Verstappen vs Lewis Hamilton F1 rivalry soured
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- Опубликовано: 2 июн 2024
- The escalation of the Max Verstappen/Lewis Hamilton F1 championship fight coincided with a clear decline in the quality of their relationship.
At the peak of their fight this season, Verstappen even reckons the two drivers “hated each other”.
But is there a fundamental dislike between the pair or was this feeling isolated within the specific circumstances of one of F1’s most extraordinary seasons?
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People failed to remember something that has happened immediately after the race in Abu Dhabi. When the press conference was happening, Lewis approached Max and had a light-hearted conversation together. Showing that the respect they once had, was still very much present and visible. Sadly this moment didn't get recorded, and is only known to the people who were there.
I think the relationship between these two great drivers will stabilize again. Red Bull and Mercedes should both be ashamed for creating this high amount of drama, when most likely the true situation is a lot better than people may think.
I don't think it was the post race press conference, was it ? Must've been the pre race.
but if it was the other way around, dont think max wouldve congratulated lewis. he would be FUMING
I agree, Toto and Horner did a lot of the screaming.
@@madhavisingh9046 probably pre race or before the podium, since Lewis was advised by Mercedes lawyers to not show up to the press con, pending the appeal decision
@@kabirsharma2858 As if someone would still attend the award ceremony and follow everyone on instagram as it was... Oh wait, neither of those happened, did they?
What makes this rivalry interesting is the completely different personalities. It's a bit like Senna and Prost, but maybe a little more laid-back.
and also media stirring the drama up
Hamilton wants to be seen like Senna constantly playing the victim but he's not a shadow of the man.
@@FishnetChicken Pretty sure Red Bull were the ones that have been playing the victims for most of the season.
@@FishnetChicken ironically in the conversation of senna vs prost comparison I see hamilton more like prost and max more like senna.
@@FishnetChicken are you insane?
There is no relationship between them. They just race each other and have no connection at all in their personal life and interests. So there is nothing to repair. They are just rivals in a sport.
Source: trust me bro
Exactly. They don't have to friends or anything like that. They are at work
agree
I feel like everyone wanted these two to hate each other to spice up the season but the truth is, they had a rivalry not a hatred. They knew that they had fight hard and exploit every single shot. So it’s natural that they had heated moments but now that it’s over, they can resume their normal lives and online media could focus on the upcoming season.
I agree. But fuck me, the media overblown and the unknowledgeable fan reaction make this rivalry even more toxic.
I love the fact that Max won his first WDC or imagining Lewis's record-breaking 8th title before the last race. But now I don't want one of those two guys to win anything just to make media and mindless fan to shut up.
Yeah I’m do
Dr. T Fry you have cool s
Netflix : Hold my beer
I really hope it the rivalry gets personnel next season. Only because it adds to the excitement. But at the same.time.hve respect for each other as they do.
to be fair, it's been fairly respectful and amicable between Max and Lewis, it's just been dramatic from their teams and toxic from the respective "fans"
Verstappen vs Hamilton fans is the biggest rivalry this season.
I know ,right?
@@Ajmagic123 He did no such thing. Show me the quote. I know what was said and it wasn't that.
@@Firebolt1729 true and thats pretty impressive since the whole horner vs wolff saga
are you kidding me? all Max said and you still think he respected Lewis. lmao
This is nowhere near Lewis-Nico nuclear fallout.
It's more about media trying to spice up these two.
It looks more toxic than its actually are. Rivalry can be heated, but how you portray it can be a problem
Lewis himself prefer rivalry with different team , than within the team .
Nico and Lewis was also special because they shared the garage, if you are always with your biggest rival its different, here both were clear number 1 drivers at their teams so had full support, while in case of Nico and Lewis it wasnt like that.
💯… uhm you know Netflix
Lewis and Nico was actually toxic.
There was at least some respect between Max and Lewis.
Alonso has said that Lewis has isolated himself from the other drivers for a while now, maybe 5 or 6 years, and it shows.
You ALWAYS see banter and good laughts among the drivers on the grid, but almost never involving lewis.
Is this the reason why Lewis was not included in the mystery Santa of the entire grid? Even Kimi was present in the video.
That might say more about the other drivers than Hamilton. It's lonely at the top because and the other drivers might feel inferior in his shadow.
I wouldn't say never but when it happens its rare as fuck
@@richmerch schumi and Senna had good communication with everyone even when they ruled their respective eras... Hamilton situation is different!
Lewis think his shit smell like roses.
Max has been asked about his relationship with Lewis many times, in both Dutch and international media, since joining F1 and his answer has always been that they didn't have a relationship other than being on the same track and that they never really talk with each other outside of press moments. That actually hasn't changed this season. It's just that they have been fighting on track more and were therefore in the media. To Max Lewis is competition but otherwise entirely inconsequential to his life.
Tbh, I think the media have overhyped their rivalry.
Sorry, but that last sentence is incorrect imo
I believe Max is so well honed by his mentor that even competition does t faze him. True sign of greatness with a massive advantage to him on his road to success.
He IS the ONE and ONLY TRUE PRODIGY of F1. I sincerely doubt another hereditary combination of this magnitude and concerted effort will ever be witnessed in F1, unless AI interferes and create a clone.
@@fan-tastic2803 your opinion, but facts show otherwise.
Max admitted hating Hamilton.
What you guys forgot to look at in your analysis is the effect of the toxicity between both team bosses (Toto & Christian). During the course of the season, this added a lot of fuel to both teams management behaviour - on and of the track - and towards fans of both drivers and teams. It didn't help either that the SkyF1 team were very keen to highlight this, adding more fuel to the toxicity on social media between both fan bases.
Spot on. Leaders are responsible for creating culture for their team above all else. Toto and Christian both did a horrible job this year. My 4 and 6 year old have deeper emotional intelligence and conflict resolution skills.
I was looking for that exact comment. I feel like team principals have been the source of much of the problem
@@lucasjohnson8901 yes but they have to live together and you supervise them, I hope! Toto and Christian don't and only have their upbringing, the FIA and public opinion to regulate their behaviour, neither of which read Dr Spock apparently.
cool it, it's over, done and dusted!
This channel has gotten worse and worse.
Hi Otto Who. Happy early new year 2022.
@@essasito1919 There are unsolved issues regarding the last race, however, errors in how the race was called can not be made undone. This channel tries to be as neutral as can be and a gingery approach is advised to please everybody.
@@AOWarwick I think they should stop creating artificial drama
It can’t get any simpler!!!
Hamilton says his relationship with the Red Bull driver is “no different” to last year.
Asked about his relationship with his title rival, Hamilton told the media in Austin: “Not a huge amount to say.
“There is limited communication, I think maybe some of the drivers hang more than others do.
“I wouldn’t say I particularly hang closely with anyone particularly here.
“Last year we would see each other at the track and we would say hi, we do the same this year.
“It’s no different for me, personally.”
Netflix G-men are suppressing those quotes for DTS
Don't let Netflix see this
@@Firebolt1729 Even if they see it they'll just ignore it
well really, sure seems the same... at least last year lulu was not emotionally affected to miss secret santa lol
@@ebenezerindi1766 nah probably they'll make something out of it we cant expect. Dont underestimate netfllix
When i first started watching F1, i liked Hamilton. He seemed like a genuine guy who was also very fast. But over the years, you start to notice the shrewdness behind it all. He knows what he is saying and doing and plays parts very well. I still like him as a driver, but i do not believe he is the honest, innocent person he seems from the outside. That seems like a calculated and well played persona for the media.
Agreed. He loves to come off as some sophisticated, enlightened sort of person, but really he's just another super rich, elite athlete with a big ego. At the British this year, the camera panned around while Bottas was being interviewed (i think after quali) and Lewis couldn't give a shit that his team mate was supposed to be the focus. He (Lewis) was over by the track side fence trying to get the fans all wound up waving at them and such. Totally taking the focus off his own team mate being interviewed for television. EGO!!
Agreed , same opinion ..Lewis knows how to get and stay in spotlights
His trained facial expression and poses are the worst.
I myself thought he was a great guy.. but subsequently his true colors came through. I believe this to be when his father was no longer important to be around.
@@Windband1 - So you're saying that the camera had to pan around to even find Lewis. He let Valtteri take the limelight in the interview. That's not ego. Everyone in the entertainment industry knows that they need to give their fans what they want - especially autographs. The fans are the foundation of the industry.
If you really *want* to hate Lewis, I can't stop you. I'm just a neutral observer who thought it might be good if someone else won the championship for a change.
Just an observation but both times Lewis has been challenged for a championship. It's turned into a shit show! The 2016 fight will Nico was not that far removed from that of this year
It was the same with his teammates (Button and Alonso)
cuz he is a big baby
@@Daniboi971 😂😂😂 He showed his "true colours" by congratulating Verstappen after the race, and Verstappen must have showed his true colours after storming off the podium in Jeddah using your logic. Rosberg was the one that showed his true colours under pressure (Using restricted engine modes in 2014 Bahrain, 2014 Monaco qualifying, 2014 Spa, throwing the cap at Hamilton after the 2015 US GP, 2016 Austria) Take your blind hate somewhere else.
@@pantrofl 2007 was more about Alonso having a meltdown, where he faced competition from a teammate for the first (and last) time in his career. Before people repeat the McLaren favoured Alonso BS, No team would favour a rookie over the reigning world champion. This was clear when Hamilton was told to hold position at Monaco or when Ron Dennis admitted that he favoured Alonso over Hamilton in Australia in the pits which allowed Alonso to jump Hamilton, and that's not mentioning how Hamilton was always given heavier fuel loads in qualifying upto Canada. The FIA investigated Mclaren for the use of team orders and Dennis realised that the the best course of action was to give Hamilton equal treatment since Canada onwards. Alonso couldn't handle it and decided to blackmail McLaren.
Yep. He's a cway baby and can't handle it
Trying to milk this story, aren't we?
Regarding this subject, I'm afraid there are still a lot of cows in line waiting to be milked...
I don't even think the relationship between them changed a lot, just racing each other more on track
To be honest, all the drama and quarrelling was mainly between Toto and Christian, which went all season long. Max and Lewis did an admirable job of keeping it cool in the media throughout this year. It was their bosses who behaved poorly and unsportsmanlike, during and after the race and I am still adamant that their bickering and pleads over the radio to Massi at race control, was the main contributing factor to the Abu Dhabi controversy. Communication for campaigning against penalties due to racing incidents should be prohibited from 2022 onwards, especially if we are to have a more competitive field with more wheel-to-wheel battles than usual.
Max and Lewis should recover from the events of 2021 over the winter break, after all, elite sportsmen have the mental capability to not let tough moments get into their heads. Max especially, since he is always so focused on the task at hand during a race weekend.
I think Hamilton was a lot more respectful post-race in Abu Dhabi because it was simply easier for him to accept that. He knew that Max didn’t do anything wrong and that it was as out of Max’s hands as it was for himself. He didn’t have anything to blame Max for in Abu Dhabi so that made it a lot easier for him to accept the result.
Yeah you are right keep telling yourself that he got a early christmas present from massi
Nah Lewis just polite,if you understand his sense of values you'll know he might never get over it.It's not a thing he can simply accept it,huge difference between lose and robbery.
@@masakisako4274 I think you misunderstood notaiden who was saying that it is easier for Lewis to accept that it was not Max's fault.
I remember watching Silverstone and seeing the excessive celebrations from Lewis, a lot of people felt it was a bit odd. Lewis obviously no stranger to being over the top, but I don't recall Lewis ever celebrating as exuberant as he did in Silverstone, and I can definitely see why Max and Jos would have an issue with that.
Home GP usually excites drivers!
@@Lucky96 hi Anthony. Happy early new year 2022. From Purwanti Allan.
@@Lucky96 Protect the psycho, much.
You mean him celebrating in his home country, which needed some positivity after their football team lost the Euro finals? Did you think about? probably didn't
@@chandamubanga I'm thinking about his direct rival in the hospital and him barely winning a race without any competition left.
They don't hate each other. That's the "theory" of the media to generate even more drama...
Strange if Max says he does though - never heard those words come from Lewis. He closes up away from F1 and gets on with his own life.
Max never said that, he always said he had lots of respect for Lewis but they are rivals.
Max respect Lewis but there is no Love/Hate .
But he rates Alonso over Lewis . He said in press conferences that what Alonso achieved on a slower Ferrrai is great and has as much as greatness of clinching title .
Which effectively implies that he recognizes Alonso's 2010 & 2012 campaign as Great than Hamilton's victories on Overpowered Mercedes .
@@ananthu8534 Course he rates Alonso over Lewis, Lewis only equalled Alonso as a rookie and overtook him round the outside in their first race as teammates. Later on, Alonso slowed Lewis down to prevent his victory in Hungary 2021 - if you recall, Alonso said "I tried" to Max after the race. Alonso has never forgiven Lewis for 2007 but he's also not equalled Hamilton's record of winning a race every year in F1 - even in the 5th best car of the year...
@@ananthu8534 unironically Hamilton was better than Alonso in 2010 with 3rd best car while ferrari was 2nd best car. In 2012 Hamilton lost something like 150p because of mclaren awful operating and reliability issues
Silverstone was the tipping point of the season. I think after that race is when things went sour between the two teams and drivers.
Abu Dhabi is just 1 out of 22. If you put the race results in a different order and rank Hungary and Silverstone as the last two races of the season, nobody would talk about AD.
Actually they would, because Abu Dhabi impacted more than just the top two drivers. The midfield teams were impacted by Masi's decision as well.
Lewis has a good relationship with Seb, Bottas and Ocon. He reached out to Mazepin after the Saudi qualifying incident. He also is older and doesn’t come from the golden spoon background like many drivers.
@@fakename8128 His father worked a lot to make that happen
@@fakename8128 name a driver on the grid without that. To get to even the lower formulas needs a ridiculous amount of money. And unlike most of them he required a fair amount of sacrifice and a lot of luck and skill to get that McLaren sponsorship before his career stalled out in karting because his background was at least somewhat normal
@@fakename8128 I don’t even know how to respond. If you don’t understand the difference between those who have parents with wealth / resources (parents who were racers i.e. Verstappen) and working class path- I can’t help you.
@@fakename8128 You literally have no idea how challenging and all the sacrifices Lewis' father had to make to get Lewis into motorsports. Literally incomparable to anyone else on the grid. Just say you hate Lewis and move on.
@@fakename8128 his dad had 3 jobs and took out a whole mortgage just to ensure that Lewis stays within Karting, where on earth is the privilege in that?
I don’t think this touches nico’s run
Verstappen vs Hamilton fans is the biggest rivalry
@@Firebolt1729 hardly. Lewis barely cares for verstappen compared to Nico
@@supaahflyy Right u cant even compare it IMO
@@Firebolt1729 Yes, so true.
I do not like this kind of ‘journalism’. No one kan know what Hamilton and Verstappen think or feel. Dislike this video
100% agree with you
Really glad you've highlighted the crash in Silverstone. All anyone has to do is watch the new documentary on Schumacher and look at the incident in Jerez with Villeneuve that he was disqualified from the entire 1997 season for!!!! and then compare that to the Silverstone incident in which Hamilton only received a 10 second penalty. Instead of a proper judgement we got a MB/Hamilton celebration. The season was never going to be fair again after that. It is a miracle that Verstappen managed to hold on to the Championship he deserved all year long.
No hate to Verstappen but you wouldn’t be complaining if the ten second time penalty was enough to stop him from winning
@@bigsteppa814 The penalties nowadays are simply way too soft, even in 2015 kimi got 30 seconds in russia for hitting bottas. Nowadays the highest you ever see is 10 seconds or a grid penalty, this just encourages dirtier driving..
@@bigsteppa814 it should have been a 10 sec stop and go penalty. Btw I was pissed when I saw only a 10 second time penalty.
I dont know what your talking about, max had substantial lead with 4 races to go and basically lose all the races ...because he was trying crash into hamilton instead beating him ... stop defending his bad driving style..his nickname crashtappen, hes the one that always crashes into ppl
I agree and recognize especially the last past of this video about the Silverstone crash. It had such an impact on Verstappens title chances. That incident alone costed him 32 points vs Hamilton if you take in account Hamilton probably would have finished 2nd.
Im dutch and a lot of us used to say: 'revenge for Silverstone!' Seeing Hamilton win after how he hospitalized Verstappen was the low point for the Verstappen fans and was a giant turning point how the battle would continue, gloves off!
One race later however Bottas torpedoed both RedBulls at the start thus hurting Verstappens chances even more. The hate vs Mercedes became intenser after that. It's a shame because it could have been a perfect season.
@@Daniboi971 I hate F1 fans
So Max can be agresssive all season and Lewis backs out on two previous occasions. But the one time Lewis doesn't decide to back out (which he is well within his rights to) it causes a collision. Lewis asked if Max was ok during and after the race and was unaware he was in hospital until after. Such a double standard.
@@Daniboi971 You Max fans make it seem like he almost died in the hospital
Verstappen talks about hard racing all the time, but when he had some, he whinged and moaned and will continue to do so.
@@beanboy3218 that's not the point, the real pain was how Hamilton gained 32 points in the championship. Verstappen going over the line in some cases yes true but it never costed Hamilton dozens of points. Also don't forget Budapest. If Perez would have torpedoed both Mercedessen like that we would never have talked about Abu Dhabi.
I feel like the start of the hatred was less about the collisions, and more about Lewis’s celebration after the Silverstone GP. Max was NOT happy about that
I still wonder why Jos says that Lewis "put him into the hospital" when he was just at the doctor for the mandatory checks. Seems overly dramatic but I agree that the dutch are pissed off about everything for some reason. I wonder why.
It’s so silly though, at the time it was clear verstappen was ok so why not celebrate the victory, especially after a decent fight back and winning at home. The shit flinging this year has been so toxic from both sides, hope 22’ sees more respectful behaviour both on and off track.
So many comments here imply that the way this championship was decided with last second rule changes is okay because “Lewis already has 7” I sincerely hope that you all keep that same energy in seasons to come.
Mercedes and the British medias agenda against max went too far. Tyson fury and Bernie were two of many to call out the witch hunt that was going on. I think Lewis and verstappen kept a reasonable relationship with each other.
Just remember the "My dear friend Alain" Senna said in one of his last radios... I Think, in ten years, they can be friends !
Don't...... Make....... Me....... Cry!
Truth be told, Senna became friendly towards Prost after the latter had decided to leave F1 and thus ceased to be a competitor… Prost acknowledges this in the Senna documentary.
I truly hope that two other teams next season fights for the title. I'm tired of Toto, Christian and Marko's shit-stirring, Max and Lewis.
I agree but I think young George will be right there with them. At least it's another driver all be it in Toto's camp.
Maybe Haas will have the best car next year 🤷🏼♂️ who knows with the new platform. Worth a bet lol
@@Daniboi971 there equals at the beginning of the season so who ever leads take priority, valteri has spoken about this in previous interviews.
At the same time they won't deprive Russell of wins neither.
Should be a great rivalry from the get go 👌🏻
@@Daniboi971 They might not want George to get in the way, but I don't think that he will be their 'whipping boy' the way Bottas was. He has his own agenda and is kinda thirsty for wins after being part of the Mercedes AMG team for quite a while now.
Ferrari , Redbull and Mercedes will be title contenders for 2022 .
I hope Ferrari will get an upper hand
@@1982james111 Lewis won't accept helping George in the race
Thanks for doing such good videos. No sensationalism just good fact and opinion. Really enjoy them. Compared to British rugby media you’re such a breath of fresh air.
I hope both teams can take a step back in attacking each other and clear rules set limits that are equal for every competitor. I think missing both of that really hurt the very intense titlefight, we didn´t enjoy in many years before.
It was a lame excuse from Mercedes that Hamilton did not know Max was in hospital while he did his overly enthusiastically and exxagerating celebrating. Everybody knew, even in the stands. I was there, we all knew.
The booing of Max at Silverstone was also completely left out of any broadcast, whilst later Dutch fans were blamed for doing so.
The overall villainizing of Max by british social and coventional media was shocking to say the least, and Mercedes and Hamilton stirred it up even more, hinting at racial
motive’s…….dreadful!!
Man, how many videos is F1 media going to milk from this drama
This rivalry has been super interesting and intense and will probably continue to be, but I really don’t like all this media speculation about how they feel about each other. Of course they don’t like each other at times, they were fighting for historic wins. But only they know how they feel about each other so it’s a bit pointless just to drum up more controversy to have something to talk about in the off season.
Totally agree, it's not only irrelevant since the season is already over but also inconvenient for the health of the sport. There are certainly other topics to focus on considering how much could the tables turn on 2022. I hope The Race to raise up the bar on their journalism.
As much as I support Hamilton, as a Brit, it was great to see a proper two-team fight after years of Merc vs Merc. I still think and hope that Lewis will take an eighth title, but it was great to see another team win, despite the controversy. Can you imagine what an anti-climax it would have been to finish such a fantastic battle behind the safety car? Well done to both drivers, who were head and shoulders above the competition, they both deserved it, but it went Max’s way. Great stuff and can’t wait to see which team will emerge top dog with the new cars for next year! 👍👍
Would have been better finishing behind the safety car then the injustice we saw robbing Lewis and Mercedes of their hard work.
I mean yeah we got an amazing season we also got to see the way FIA is working they are focused more on entertainment that rules and regs. The whole season fans were fighting that FIA was erc biased or redbull biased but infact they were always aiming such that both drivers go to abu dhabi on equal points. in jeddah max was driving like a maniac they gave him penalty but that much so he cant go for fastest lap attempt neither he loses position to P3 similar in abu dhabi lewis incident with mazepin would lead to his 10 place grid penalty but they ignored why because they wont get the starting 1-2 start for the title contenders if they do so. same happened in the last lap they couldve restarted with lapped cars in between as they didnt have time but only those lapped cars were allowed to overtake that were between lewis and max so that they can get a final lap action. The point this time max got lucky maybe next time max can lose his title FIA needs to some major changes
@@MFizzle777 copium
@@MFizzle777 like silverstone and hungary never happened, right?
@@Roeland666 completely different events, abu dhabi was outright fia changing rules last minute because horner was lobbying Masi over the radio. No f1 fan should want that.
Lewis Hamilton is a consummate gentleman. He has integrity and is not going to hold a grudge or let his emotions cloud his respect for great drivers. Max included.
like when he ran albon off the track stealing the kids first victory?
@@nathantuckfield2199 it wasn't a victory it was a podium n it's not like he was gonna win any championships or anything
@@nathantuckfield2199 oh please. Ran him off the track? Get real.
You must really hate Red Bull then considering how they treated him.
He is nothing but that, all he does is feeling sorry for him self..
@@nathantuckfield2199 he likes red bulls rear tyres
It is very much 2 opposing personalities. Hamilton has, for a long time, seen himself as the king, untouchable, and all powerful. It’s no secret as to how much he influenced and once controlled formula 1. His behaviour, and unsportsmanlike behaviour this year has soured my opinion of him. I am very much in support of Jeremy Clarksons shots at Hamilton.
Max had absolutely shon this year. His personality, attitude, and ability to light heartedly laugh at some things, along with his growing relationship and respect for checo, has left him as a stand out favourite. It is easy to see how he is loved by so many, and why “super max” was such a popular chant 😂
where has hamilton ever thought or said himself to be untouchable or all powerful? Whats unsportsmanlike behavior? What happened to the same energy from the entire redbull camp and Jos and marko slandering hamilton, saying he has no talent etc.? If you want to be upset about a lack of respect, only one side attacked the integrity of the other, and it wasnt mercedes and hamilton
I’m sure they’ll have mellowed when the season starts, then it just depends if they have another flashpoint on track
I do not care about Max and Lewis relationship. I only care about the stolen championship that was gifted by Masi to Max.
lewis should ask Jos for tips on how to beat max, maybe there’s a petrol station lewis can leave him at to get the upper hand
From where I am standing it was not a clear cut win in max favour.
Off season media really tries to make a story out of anything
Please keep bringing the f1 content for the next couple months
I think that's the plan. They're an F1 channel...
Great piece! It bring up a point in Senna-Prost battle, everytime they "hit" each other was at a slow speed corner. Most of the ""touches" in these battles were at mid to low corners... with the execption of one.
Suzuka 1990. Senna goes into prost flat out at turn 1.
@@theSafetyCar don't bring facts into this. It goes against his narrative.
Very fair and neutral analysis. Well done!
Reading some of the comments I must say i am happy that everyone has been very fair and that’s nice to see! I mirror some of the comments in that I would be interested to see your guys’ take on the back and forth-ness of Toto and Horner
Recently Marko was asked if it would be imagineable that Verstappen would ever in his career drive for Mercedes. Marko said: "No, too much has happened this year, especially at Silverstone".
Seriously man, quoting Marko? You can do better
@@xaviersharma707 Jos has said the same thing though.
@@emiel1206 oh the guy who got booked for attempted murder? Right.
@@xaviersharma707 and cleared of all charges but that doesn't fit your narrative right. Also this has nothing to do with it. I think max his dad who coached max all the way to f1 knows that max doesn't want to go to mercedes after the silverstone events.
@@emiel1206 my narrative? It's widely known he's not a good person. And marko isn't either. Giving any energy to what these old pricks say doesn't do anyone any good, especially the sport itself which could use some less toxicity. If Horner says something like that then yeah I'd give a shit.
What is this? Netflix?
Can you use a microphone pop filter please, it will stop the "P"s not pop out when you talk. Also try a high pass filter in your audio/video editing software :)
Actually, a real rivalry is what makes sports in general worth watching and memorable. I don't like any sports in which eras are like one big "we are a family, hallelujah" party. If there is a sport I don't like and two rivals hate each other, the sport itself becomes suddenly interesting.
Next season will be even potentially better given Hamilton being prepared to virtually kill him.
p. s. I know both drivers behave like adults off track all is in the small things.
8:25 how does mentioning someone by their first name instead of their last name mean resentment to you?
No, that was actually a caveat to what they were saying about resentment. They meant that in other places in the interview, Verstappen senior named Hamilton by his first name (indicating a certain familiarity in the relationship), so the fact that he did not when talking about Silverstone could have been resentful, but it could also have been nothing, because if there was resentment you may not have expected him to use Hamilton's name, and certainly his first name, in other parts of the interview.
Good video. Silverstone was the flashpoint which made the championship dirty. Max got doubly penalized -- once for no points and then again for a new engine. If the British stewards found Hamilton to be "predominantly at fault" then he should've had a stop-go penalty, effectively being put out of the points just like the car he took out. After that had Hamilton driven a brilliant recovery drive up to 3rd or 4th (which he is very capable of), it'd have been fun to watch and in my opinion, fair.
Overall the FIA has to rethink penalties, rules, inconsistent enforcement of the rules, and favouritism (don't forget the hush hush 2019 Ferrari engine deal). So basically all the same issues FIA had in the '80s. Fans will threaten to stop watching and then come back to the sport because even though the new engines sound like a badly souped-up supra, we all love the sport and the thrill of the world's fastest cars going around race tracks designed by Tilke in a procession. It's like the ex I keep taking back despite knowing how toxic she gets.
I think Hamilton needed a harsher penalty for that crash honestly. But I also acknowledged that it is not a simple issue, like a 10 second penalty effectively puts out of contention most cars on the grid, while the mercedes can have a 25 grid place penalty (Brazil GP) and still come out first. Like what I'm trying to say is that one reason penalties didn't work this season is because the RB and Mercs could basically nullify them with pace, this, while it is no fault of the stewards or of the drivers.. begs the question of how can you truly punish them in the future?
@@sergioccs74 "More penalties!" Alonso, 2018
@@sergioccs74 My point of view (I may be wrong, it's an opinion) is that any car, be it Mercedes or Haas, that is at fault for ending the race of another car should be put at the back of the grid (or out of points via a stop and go). If the car manages to race back into points or victory, great job. Points well earned. At the end of the day, it's very rare that a driver is 100% at fault for an incident. So the penalty should ensure that it's reasonably difficult for a team to gain points. Though it may not be entirely impossible for a team like Mercedes.
@@sergioccs74 i think they need to do position penalties in serious misconduct, like instead of a 10 second penalty for making max crash, he could have gotten a 2 position penalty and ended 3rd
How about a race disqualification or suspension from the next race? That possibility should get the drivers' attention. Let the punishment fit the crime. Michael Schumacher was disqualified from the entire 1997 championship for one incident described as intentional. Let's see fair play return to the sport, even if it costs your hero dearly.
This has all just been such a movie experience. I've loved it. I love them. I hope there's maybe a movie coming from this. Not just a hot season of DTS.
Everything about how they view each other is all because of how big a man Lewis is. To not want to thump him in the head after all the dirty driving Max did makes him the biggest man in racing.
The first lap at Silverstone was far more consequential to the outcome of the Championships (both drivers and constructors) than the last lap at Abu Dhabi. Hamilton and Mercedes got 25 unanswered points, RB lost a chassis and had to take an engine penalty.
If you are at fault for a collision that DNFs a competitor (as Hamilton was at Silverstone), you should forfeit all points for that race (or split them with the guy you wrecked). That sort of penalty might encourage these guys to give a little racing space
@@vandalsgarage No, it's called racing. They make mistakes, such as LAT did. But the shit show in the last race tainted the whole sport, it figuratively was the cherry on top of a mad season
@@vandalsgarage seems harsh for an accident that was at the time, a racing incident with fault from both sides although predominantly hamilton.
I don't know what to think of this. All I know is that I started the season very much disliking Hamilton's persona. And even though I'm happy that Max won because I am a RB fan, I like Hamilton a whole lot more now. The way he celebrated his home win felt somewhat wrong to me. But other than that, he has been very gracious and respectful over the whole season, and that is what I want to see in every sports person
Before 2021 I didn't like Hamilton because of how dominant in the sport he was. This season I saw a lot of hate he was receiving and didn't want to be apart of it, so I starting supporting him along with my favourite driver Dani. This season I respect and appreciate him more than any driver on the grid.
It cracks me up RB and Verstappen getting all high and mighty about Hamilton taking him out while driving like an absolute lunatic the whole season. If Hamilton doesn’t steer completely the wrong direction there’s 10+ torpedo impacts throughout the season. Here’s hoping the stewards can come to a consensus on what’s allowed and rule consistently in 2022.
MV complained about Merc at Silverstone celebrating when he was getting 'checked over' at hospital ...I didn't see Max even look at Hamilton after parking a tyre on his head at Monza. What a hypocrite he is.
One thing we can all agree on: stop giving Jos the attention he doesn't deserve.
@@johnpoulter he's got a big mouth and should be the last person to talk about "respect" considering his abusive history. He's a hypocrite that's why he should shut it.
whoever says "first", well just don't plz... -- Bwoah
This season has DEFINITELY not been Formula 1 Best Friend Championship like 2017-2019 with Hamilton vs Vettel
A brilliant and balanced review.
Definitely broke down when Lewis decided to punt Max off at Silverstone.
I am Max guy but I am already feeling sorry for the barrage of 2021 questions Lewis will get come the start of 2022.
Feel sorry for what? He is ok and will be fine..Max is the one to answer those questions..
Stop projecting. Be sorry and nervous for Max, he will be the one getting a barrage of questions by the media about being gifted a win by Masi
Not surprised, the Ham + Ros friendship and racing each other and having fun that i respected went to heck when someone said "he's not my friend"
So of course the relationship soured, especially since they aren't team mates
It was not even the fact that Lewis knocked Max off at Silverstone that made Max pissed off but the reaction of Lewis after he won Silverstone. Also the disrespectful cheering of the crowd right after the hard crash didn’t help. This caused quite a bit of annoyance not only from Max but also the fans that support Max.
I don't want to be the one constantly bringing up the Silverstone incident, but I have to say it was that moment, I think, that conflict started because at first both trusted the other to race hard but fair and in that moment Hamilton broke the trust. On top of that he celebrated like he is re-establishing the British empire. Meanwhile Max won his home race cleanly and the celebrations were a minimum.
Spain and Imola there was never any trust...
the trust has never been there between max and any other driver, they all respect him as a racer but do not trust him to make a safe move rather throwing it all on the line and dive up the inside
Crashtappen
Max's idea of racing hard is very much arguable tho...
Everybody saw that Verstappen was alright right after the crash. If he gas been hurt and transported immediately to the hospital it's a different story. Red Bull and Verstappen used that opportunity to make Hamilton look bad. How would Hamilton know that Verstappen is in the hospital if the doctors decided afterwards that precautionary checks are needed.
This rivalry is the best thing to happen to F1 in the last 10 years!
The RACE can you link to the interview in which Max stated that they hate(d) eachother? I've seen and read almost all interviews and Max is always very respectful towards Hamilton. Please share a source.
It's good for the sport. People who don't know F1 are starting to get interested
The Hamilton bias of this channel and comments in general is delicious to watch.
you can't have watched that final lap and now a thing about f1 and not realize that was not normal behavior from Masi or any other f1 director... period. it was done for the views and the drama.
I think you need to retune your ears not one bit is bias to Hamilton, I would say the other way round
hahaha.
Even the biggest Verstappen fan knows that objectively that decision by Masi was not fair.
@@frickin_robin lol you act like the fia is max bias
Please get edd or glen to do the commentary on these videos
Can't believe you quoted Ecclestone.
It is the media that wanted Hamilton en Verstappen hate each other, but that will not happend, both drivers has respect for each other and both drivers are excellent.
and thanks to both drivers, because this was the most exciting f1 jear in ages.
I agree Silverstone was a real low for the Hamster. A muted celebration would’ve been far more appropriate.
According to this video, Hamilton and the Mercedes crew didn't know about Max being in hospital when they were celebrating. You can't react in a different way when you haven't been told the full details.
@@Dyynamo still. Celebrating when you ruined your rivals race isn’t a great look. Max was in the lead and would have probably won had it not happened.
@@Dyynamo Apparently so. But he could’ve asked to find out. Although to be fair I do remember Hamilton asking “Is Max okay?” on the radio in the immediate aftermath of the crash. Still, I think he could’ve and should’ve done more after the race. He just got too carried away with winning at Silverstone which he knew wasn’t a given considering Max had won the previous three races.
@@idrisb07 or acknowledging that he kinda whacked him off instead of pretending Max didn't leave space would've helped.
Tell the story from beginning, the off-season last year. Then the early moves in the first few races that wasn't exactly pointed out to drivers. It just escalated to something that no one could have imagined.
yes, there were a lot of moves that didn't result in Lewis being punted off but easily could have if Lewis did not steer like mad to avoid a collision.
@@adam346 it’s called racing , but as Merc or Lewis fans you must have forgotten how that looked like in last 7 years
Respect turned to Rivalry and Rivalry turned into Netflix
Please use a pop filter next time you record VO. I have a subwoofer hooked up to my PC as part of my sound system, and every time you say a word with "P" in it, things start shaking off my desk
I think the respect between Red Bull and Mercedes has deteriorated, but the respect between the drivers is still there
Ehhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh... I don't think there was much there to begin with
Lewis is only respectful when he’s winning or in the lead. The moment he isn’t he’s either A) complaining on the radio to his team about a strategy call B) Calling out some illegality to the FIA that allowed him to be in second. C) Calling out the winning driver or team as clearly having the faster car.
This is where the Hamilton hate comes from.
Kimi Raikkonen has made a whole career of complaining on the radio but gets praised for it, Alonso complains, people find it funny, Max complains all the time, people find it funny but when Lewis complains when something doesn’t go right, all of sudden he’s a crybaby.
A fair and balanced assessment. Kudos.
Hope the next season decides a winner without any controversy and shut the team managers out who are trying to throw dirt on each driver and FIA which has a rule book but likes to do whatever the fu*k it wants
I gotta admit, I think Lewis' calmness and kindness after the race in Abu Dhabi was because he thought surely the race results would be counted back.
That says an awful lot about you buddy and none of it good.
@@animalcol1bro Mercedes literally launched a protest and everything 40 minutes after the race, you think Lewis had no say in that? What are you even trying so say like you're being so fucking hostile for no reason I'm just making an observation
That's a stretch. You must be an expert in character analysis lol!
The Mercedes protest was pure formalities, it's something the team had to do but Toto and Lewis knew F1 will never ever overturn the result.
@@streetgato9697 nah I think if they actually went to FIAs court of appeals with this the FIA would have sided with Merc. The reason why Merc didn't go through with the appeal is because Max did nothing wrong and it would be wrong to take the title from him like that. The FIA is who fucked up.
@@massluca0078 Calm down son, you'll give yourself a massive.
So no mention of the words by Redbull toward Hamilton? No mention of the fact that after Silverstone that Redbull, in effort to continually try and get Hamilton penalized further they created false evidence and presented that to the FIA? No mention of how disrespectful Redbull treated Hamilton on track by using Perez to block Hamilton, while Mercedes never did that with Bottas.
The narrative is clearly that Verstappen is the victim despite the fact that around 60% of the incidents on track this year were created and performed by Verstappen's overly aggressive driving.
Lol they did try and block Hamilton with Bottas it's just that hes shit
Waiting for 2023 season.
I hope they produce even better races this season.
This have escalated because we had never seen so many wheel-to-wheel battles between two title contenders before.
Lol, like if there is any driver in the grid that keeps a good relationship with Ham
Are we really surprised it got this bad? Hamilton has shown in the past he can't really handle a decent title challenge. Sure, he talks the right talk, but in the end he is at least as selfish as any other driver. Just listen to his openly hostile team radios whenever he feels he is losing out. And Verstappen is a racer who takes a dominant position in any fight. He sets the rules of engagement and stays within the limits he sets, but in doing so he leaves little room for the other driver to step over the limits. This is why Silverstone went so bad. Hamilton felt he was wronged in the sprint race (and the races before that), because he felt that Verstappen had dictated the limits for their fights (which he had done). Hamilton was out of control and he can't handle that. Since he wasn't able to simply take back the control and dictate the rules of engagement himself he decided to not follow the limits that Verstappen laid down. And since Verstappen doesn't allow room for this they collided.
What utter rubbish....
TLDR: Hamilton tries to play by the rules while Max makes up his own. The moment Hamilton doesn't follow the rules they clash and gets blamed for it.
If Hamilton was as aggressive as Max when they were wheel to wheel I don’t think the pair would have finished half their races
@@richmerch both try to set the rules within the limits the FIA gives them, that is what racing drivers do.
2022 bout to be real spicy.
After such an intense season, it would make sense that these feelings of animosity show up between two great racing drivers. This is all just human and completely understandable. The title fight was intense and amazing to watch and their rivalry was just a byproduct of this fight. On the other hand, their fans.... well let's not get into that.
Sir Lewis Hamilton has zero animosity towards Max.
Mercedes and namely tota and hammy really let themselves down this season.
Why is it only Verstappen talked about this?
This where the saying "It's work, don't take it personally" applies
I'm glad that Jos and Adrian both still feel so strongly about Silverstone and so they should.
Why though? It was blown way out of proportion even max wasn’t bothered by the next race jos and Adrian are just bitching over nothing
@@benward1347 speak for yourself...
@@benward1347 yea I bet Max wasn't bothered. Who told you that?
@@snackichan683 he said in his interviews it was water under the bridge and he’d moved on witch was the right thing to do! People want close wheel to wheel racing and then start crying wen they inevitably come together. It happens, always has done, always will do
@@benward1347 you poor, naive child.
Max was better all season no doubt he deserved a bit of luck at the end
Exactly
Couldn’t agree more, he had lots of bad luck at silverstone, Baku and Hungary so he deserved some luck by the end
@JJ just like Lewis in Imola and Baku, no ?
Max was definitely better than lewis in race pace but he gets dirty in wheel to wheel racing. I have seen numerous instances this season where if you don't give him space (even if he is divebombing) he will crash into you. He really needs to sort this out, he can't expect other drivers to give him space everytime.
@@madhavisingh9046 max was also impacted at Baku, and at a bunch more GPs than Hamilton.
Drive to Survive is going to be SPICY 🔥🥵. Can't wait
DTS trying hard to let people think they do 👎👎 they are not friends , but have both a lot of respect for each other’s
The turningpoint was Silverstone.
Not even the crash itself , but the fact Lewis blamed Max for not leaving space (a lie) and the way they celebrated the win and never appolozised.
Before Silverstone Max had left the door open for a move to Mercedes , after Silverstone he shut that door completely. Again , not even because of the crash itself
It doesn't really matter. What is fact though, is that the FIA gifted the 2021 Championship to Max by intentionally departing from the rules. Therefore the race was not won on the track rather in Race Control.
if it hadn't been for silverstone there would have never been a championship decider maybe this should be considered before saying lewis was robbed same goes for baku and hungary neither of which max was to blame for
It's inevitable this would if happened at some point, the existing champ will always get surpassed at some point by somebody new /younger in every sport
Lewis Hamilton is the sorest of losers when it comes to people in "equal" cars and there's a history too. Hamilton's relationship with Nico Rosberg's still hasn't returned to what it was before the 2016 title fight. That started the same too... Nice and complimentary Lewis in the beginning of the season - mid season it was I respect Nico as a competitor Lewis - end of season I can only control my own race Lewis. I don't need to point out the state of Alonso/Hamilton's relationship