Ironically, the reason the Parent/Teacher meetings went well with Nick and bad with Charlie was because Charlie was helping Nick with his work. Especially in math.
Really it was that unbeknownst to everybody but the viewers (and Nick in one instance) -- Charlie was suffering from the back-to-back traumas of 1. Being outed soon after his 14th birthday; 2. Followed by 3 months of being bullied daily (until Mr.Ajayi found out and dealt with the bullies); 3, followed by a toxic relationship with Ben Hope, 4. which ended in Ben's assaulting him. (All happening in under 7 months) Those traumas most likely damaged Charlie's ability to concentrate on his school work --- Which undermined his ability to maintain his status as a stellar student. He avoided class sometimes and delayed working on some of his assignments. He was avoiding eating (and lying about his non-eating). He frequently fell asleep from lack of energy. *** *** *** There was no definite implication that Charlie was spending most of his time helping Nick with his school work. (Minor spoiler In episode 3: We do see Charlie and Nick in the library one time, during which time, Charlie reminded Nick of some of the points in chemistry that he was reviewing --- just a couple of hours before Nick's test.) Nick in season 1, episode 1, let it be known that he didn't want Charlie to "help" him with his math; it was against his character --- it was important to Nick to learn on his own, even if he did not do as well as Charlie did . (Remember: Charlie was a year behind Nick in school but already knew all the math that Nick was studying in January when they first met.) (We did see Charlie OFFER to help Nick go over his math notes, when they 'd snuck out to the park. But Charlie had to leave Nick's house due to the fight between Nick (and Mom) and his brother, so he did not have a chance to help Nick before the test that would be on the coming Monday.) *** *** *** During the parent-teacher-student meeting, Mr. Farouk said he had not had Nick as a student long (implying that he did not have full information on how Nick had been doing). He said that Nick had been doing ok on his gcse's so far. He emphasized that Nick needed to focus on his school work, and he'd be ok. (Nick was known as an ok student -- not a normally stellar student as Charlie was. The change in Charlie's grades were more noticeable because they had changed in the previous 3 months (since the assault in February; it was now about May)) [ Some viewers have assumed when the teacher said Charlie was always a stellar student but that his grades had been "slipping," that he meant that Charlie was failing all his classes. A stellar student can have A average grades, and if his grades started "slipping," he could be getting B average grades. (still more than passing his courses) The teacher said that Charlie had not turned in his history coursework essay/term paper yet, warning that if Charlie did not finish/turn it in, then he would get a failing grade in History. But Charlie knew that the paper was due at the end of the term, which was in several weeks. So he was not failing history, which was the only subject the teacher was worried about. (Minor Spoiler for episode 3: Charlie does in fact finish his term paper and turn it in by the end of the term, as he predicts to his parents in the car)] *** *** *** Most of what was going on with Charlie was unknown/unnoticed by his parents and most of the teachers. [It was easy for his parents to think that the only thing new in Charlie's life was Nick, and therefore blame Nick's presence for all Charlie's behavioral changes. (Ironically, Nick has been Charlie's only respite ---- his relationship with Nick may have been the one thing that kept Charlie from sinking farther than he had.)]
This was the “three parents” episode: Nick’s, Charlie’s and Tao’s. What a contrast! One constant theme in Heartstopper is emotional well-being. Tao’s mom was wholly focused on Tao’s emotional well-being. Nick’s mom was forced to deal with a crises by her jerk son; we are left guessing but assume in favor of protagonist Nick, protecting him from David’s blatant homophobia. And Charlie’s mom was wholly indifferent to Charlie’s emotional well-being. She could earn marks as a jail warden if she were in the running but is that the goal? Have to note that because relationships are involved-and with sexual minorities, fragilities and sensitivities that straight people don’t always recognize, Charlie’s mom removed part of **Nick’s** emotional support as well-it isn’t just about “making out.”
We did see Charlie’s mom the first season. Remember the episode when Nick came to the door in the rain? She was there and reminded Charlie that they were going to their grandmothers and he needed to change out of his pajamas. I actually agreed about Charlie‘s parents banning him from seeing Nick until he finished his paper. He should be able to do that in one or two evenings without distractions. That’s not really asking a lot. I also agree with Nick not telling Imogen about Ben. If he had done that, it would be outing him. No one should be outed, even if they are miserable person. I cried when Tao and his mother were talking. That was the moment in the series when I really started to understand Tao, and why he was like he was in the first season.
I have mixed feelings about these two specific points you’re discussing. On one hand, I do agree that Charlie should focus more on his studying, but at the same time he still had weeks to finish an essay that he managed to do in a few hours. I feel like it was more about him focusing globally on his studying instead of only this paper, because not only is it excessive for just one work imo, it’s also ineffective (they only prevented them from seeing each other at their house ; he could completely say that he was seeing Tao or Isaac and go see Nick instead). A complete ban isn’t really effective on a teenager, as we’ve been seeing here, Charlie still did it last minute. It probably would’ve gone better if they had discussed this and gone for a partial ban instead of a complete one, because Charlie could also have just done his coursework essay quickly to lift the ban and still not focused on his other subjects. They went for the easy choice without really thinking it through from a teenager’s standpoint imo. As for Ben, I get that he probably didn’t think about it on the spot, but I personally would’ve just said that he sexually assaulted a friend that prefers to stay anonymous. Obviously it doesn’t move the plot along, but it would have been possible to warn her without outing Ben. Just a thought though, I get why he didn’t and it shows his inner conflict about coming out himself.
Agree about his seeing the photo when he took the video game. But the first time I watched this, it seemed that David thought that "Charlie" was a girl. (Could be short for Charlotte) He referred to the Charlie on the phone as "she". If he's as homophobic (and ignorant about LGBT+ facts) as he was, then he probably made heteronormative assumptions. I could go on forever about what I think about David...! Aaargh!
@@slm_766Just a note, "Charlie" can also just straight up be a girl’s name, and David did say "Is Charlie your girlfriend?", so he definitely assumed Charlie was a girl. And yeah, he’s a prick all around.
Just wanted to say I practically screamed, "He's back!!!" this morning. I really enjoy your Heartstopper Reaction Videos -- especially your elaborate comments at the end. 🩷💜💙
I’m excited to go on the Heartstopper journey with you. I binged your previous reactions and have now caught up. New subscriber. I love listening to your thoughts. They’re very well rounded.
I love your idea about these kids rooms and who they are happy to have in there. So interesting. And yes Tao's mum is just gorgeous inside and out. One of the fun thinfs about this show is that the main character Charlie and Tao don't like Marvel. It's always been that way in the books, but the inside joke of the show is that the actors playing Charlie, Tao's mum and Nick's mum are all characters in the MCU. With Joe Locke being the biggest Marvel star of all of them.
Kit Connor did a lot of working out between S1 and S2! It was partly for this role (Nick is supposed to be a lot bigger than Charlie) and partly for another role, I think.
Sadly, he started to work out because some "Fans" said online that his Body doesnt match with the Nick in the Comics. There wasnt another Role at this time...
@@Prinsassy777 Yes. And Alice et al. hired Kit when he was the size he was in season 1. They did not consider his size to be a problem. Kit was not handling the comments on social media well -- he had not had to deal with it when he worked in other shows and movies. (He seemed take the criticism of his body to heart, unfortunately.) *** *** *** He was 17 when filming began for season 1; he was playing a 16-year-old. Kit did change a lot (even without going to the gym). He was 5'11" when he was 17. He had a LOT of freckles. And he said that he had always had a 'babyface' (When he was in Rocketman, he was 15, but looked about 12). Kit was 18 when they began filming for season 2. (And he was still playing a 16-year-old) He grew to be 6'1". He lost some of the babyface. The makeup people began toning down the freckles on his face (but not on his arms). His voice had lowered a bit. Kit commented that the audience was going to have to suspend disbelief, because season 2 begins the day after Nick comes out to his mom. Kit had changed over the span of a year BUT Nick was magically larger overnight! (I remember binge watching seasons 1 and 2 back to back and being startled when the show went from 1x8 to 2x1. But after watching the rest of season 2, I got used to the "new Nick.")
@@slm_766- if there’s going to be a season 4, then they will have to get a move on and start filming soon as the make-up department will have their work cut out to keep the actors’ youthful looks!
@@showmoke I get that --- good point about the ages. This is what I looked into (and extrapolated from) --- so far: Alice said that season 4 will have new content + some of the stuff in the novella Nick and Charlie. [Plus an epilogue that does a time skip into their future.] I had to go back and do a detailed timeline for myself of the 3 seasons so far, so that I could figure out the ages of the characters in season 4 --- as well as the ages of the ACTORS. Assuming Alice maintains the time frame for the Novella Nick and Charlie, there will be a time skip, and that part of the season will have Nick just ending his Year 13 and Charlie ending his Year 12. Nick will begin UNI 3 months later; His birthday is the first week of September, so he'll be 18. (Charlie had his birthday in late April of his Year 12, so when Nick enters Uni, Charlie will be 17.) Charlie remains in Truham for his year 13, and late April of that school year, Charlie will turn 18. The following September, Nick will begin his second year of UNI and will turn 19. *** *** *** Now the relevance of the above: I read a comment, in which someone wondered whether Kit Connor and Joe Locke would be able to play the parts in season 4 (given possible age differences). Someone else said the actors would be too old to play "schoolboys." [My following comments are hypothetical based on whether the actors would be willing and able to continue...] If the future season has events that take place after the events of "Nick and Charlie," the characters would be adults in their early 20s, no longer schoolboys. As for the actors ... 1. While Kit Connor was filming season 3, he was 19, and this past March 4th, he turned 20. The time frame of the books covers the periods when Nick is 17 and 18. So for season 3, Kit was about 2 years older than Nick. If there is a season 4 and if filming begins in October (as it did for season 3), Kit will be 20 still. (But if filming for season 4 (assuming there will be one), begins later, then Kit will be over 20) 2. Joe Locke is about 6 months older than Kit; He was 20 when season 3 was filming. The time frame of the books covers the periods when Charlie is 16 and 17. So for season 3, Joe was about 3 years older than Charlie Again, if there is a season 4 and if filming begins in October, Joe will be 21. (OR if filming begins later, then Joe will be over 21) * * * SO.... At the end of the time frame of "Nick and Charlie," Charlie will be 18 and a little later Nick will be 19 (because of when their birthdays land). At the rate of character vs actor ageing, (because of the one-year time skip between season 3 and season 4) the actors could be about 2 years older than their characters. (Kit 21 playing 19; Joe 21.5 playing 18) (Don't know how hard that would be for the makeup people...) But if Alice does a several-year time skip in the epilogue (about their future) , their age differences would be less. (I saw a mini-comic of hers in which the time skip was 10 years, possibly putting the characters in their late 20s) In other words, the actors would be adults -- playing adults of similar ages. (Not schoolboys) So the actors would be age-appropriate for the epilogue versions of the characters. (maybe both characters AND actors would be in their mid 20s or older) (Still better than "Dawson Casting" ...) 😁
@@slm_766 In a way, Nick “grew up” between Seasons one and two so the increase in his physical stature (could be seen metaphorically) as he matured emotionally and realized his true nature. The “boy becoming the man” may be clichéd and unintentional but… it worked.
@iacomary There's an episode in which the Doctor's companion and her friends are searching for a house to rent together. And I really though I saw them on the picture χD
I am a mom of a 16year old boy and I think Charlies mom is overreacting totally! He is a very good student and you don't have to give him this 0contact-sentence just bc he is not perfect. She seems to be so harsh, not listening and blustering.... I guess she is a controling person and overstrained with her boy having a boyfriend. His parents know he is gay, but they have no experience with an actual boy being in his live. And they seem to have no experience with a boy- or girlfriend from Tori.... it is difficult for some parents to accept that their child is getting older, falls in love and all that is coming with that.... ❤
@@anikiradde7630 Thank you. I’ve been having a one-sided semi-argument with a different reactor about this on a different channel-he insists on calling these boys children and won’t reply to rational questions addressing maturation; grades are all important. Childhood relationships? Passing fancies, apparently. According to him mom’s reaction, not only justified but appropriate. The more I’ve thought about it the more I realized she was bullying Charlie (the year before Nick) as much as the school bullies were-completely different motivation and entirely oblivious to the effect it was having. Caring for someone doesn’t mean you can’t hurt them. I’ve given up-people can believe whatever they like-but I appreciate reading your comment all the more.
Joe Locke is 5’9” and 10 stone in weight, I hope that gives you an idea of his size. I’m 5’10 and 11 stone so in my head we would work together 😂🤷🏼♂️.
"no hanky-panky until married" (Charlie and Nick get married) I thought the father's line was very inclusive. Most of the time it's not like that, it's even quite prejudiced.
Are you saying that Charlie and Nick COULD get married (by implication)? Possibly. But the book that MIGHT say that is not finished being written (Alice's Book 6).
I'm not talking about marriage, I'm talking about this specific statement from Charlie's father, who didn't think twice about accepting his son, because it's very difficult for a father to even think that his son could marry another man
I know a lot of people hated his parents reaction but I feel like that’s normal it has nothing to do with him being gay they just don’t want them doing anything considering who knows how many times Nick has spent the night before this or Charlie stayed at his place and they wouldn’t have allowed it had they known they were together
Ive watched so.many different reactors and they are all like hating on the mom or saying like 'they can't get pregnant, what's the big deal' I'm like creating some healthy boundaries and ground rules surrounding the topic of dating is absolutely valid. Sure they can't get pregnant. But being emotionally vulnerable with someone and physically intimate is a huge deal and not to just be brushed aside. Of course....I'm a mom of a kid near their age soooo.....
So "No hanky-panky" before marriage -- Is that the part you are talking about? This line throws me for a couple of reasons. 1. I am seriously old (73), so the vast majority of my lifetime, gays could not marry in the US. So dad's demand jars me. (If they couldn't marry, then what? No sex EVER?! ) (Yes, it's because I'm old with an excessive long-term memory) 2. When I was growing up (long before marriage equality), the 'no hanky-panky until marriage' rule was aimed at straight couples in order to keep the pregnancy rate down. Nick and Charlie are not likely to get pregnant, so...what's the big effin' deal? * * I mentioned this to my son, a millennial, who reminded me that the age of consent in the UK is 16. Nick is 16 now. Charlie is only 15. (This show emphasizes issues of consent, so I get this.) [Yes, not all teens wait until they are 16+ (They didn't when I was 16, either) -- but the nature of the show leans towards taking your time.... So....ok.] *** *** *** [Minor spoiler:] In Book 5, Charlie turns 16 and well, he is at the age of consent so ...]
@@marcusmelancon3426 Here’s a little history-real history. Do you know where the term “prick” comes from? Unlikely-don’t feel bad, it’s genuine obscura. Allow me to illuminate. In the middle ages, in (large?) parts of Europe, attitudes towards sex were-at the time-not progressive. Men were expected to never “touch” themselves. Erections were only for one’s wife, and presumably for procreation. In order to prevent these evil, unwanted erections men were expected to wear close fitting “cones” lined with pins (sometimes called needles but I don’t think you can imagine a modern needle in this context) over their penis-as an effective way to discourage erections. It was called a prick because, obviously, it would prick their penis of they became erect. Ouch! And from that, the term “prick” came to be synonymous with the thing it was meant to injure/protect. Charlie did need guidance as far as his schoolwork was concerned, and guidelines to help with discipline-but growing up is about learning to be independent, not forced kicking and screaming to do what others tell you is right. That’s how you treat a five year old, not a 15 year old. And they completely ignored Charlie’s emotional well-being, which (after all) is what Heartstopper is all about. There is a term for the kind of behavior Charlie’s mother evidenced: it’s called “castrating.” If you line up her emotional outbursts, her “parenting” is all about her-not the welfare of her child. That doesn’t mean she means bad-I’m sure that isn’t the case. Not everyone has it together; people of call ages can have problems (and need help).
@@gokairedwillcipher Actually, there may be several events (some shorter than others) that can be cause for having kleenex on hand. That was true in season 1 -- It may be a structural pattern for the series. So not really a spoiler, imo.
@gokairedwillcipher Or you could just be considerate and keep quiet so that he can experience it the way we all did. It's worth noting that, when sorted by 'Best', your comment appears dead last.
Ironically, the reason the Parent/Teacher meetings went well with Nick and bad with Charlie was because Charlie was helping Nick with his work. Especially in math.
Really it was that unbeknownst to everybody but the viewers (and Nick in one instance) -- Charlie was suffering from the back-to-back traumas of 1. Being outed soon after his 14th birthday; 2. Followed by 3 months of being bullied daily (until Mr.Ajayi found out and dealt with the bullies); 3, followed by a toxic relationship with Ben Hope, 4. which ended in Ben's assaulting him. (All happening in under 7 months)
Those traumas most likely damaged Charlie's ability to concentrate on his school work --- Which undermined his ability to maintain his status as a stellar student. He avoided class sometimes and delayed working on some of his assignments. He was avoiding eating (and lying about his non-eating). He frequently fell asleep from lack of energy.
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There was no definite implication that Charlie was spending most of his time helping Nick with his school work.
(Minor spoiler In episode 3:
We do see Charlie and Nick in the library one time, during which time, Charlie reminded Nick of some of the points in chemistry that he was reviewing --- just a couple of hours before Nick's test.)
Nick in season 1, episode 1, let it be known that he didn't want Charlie to "help" him with his math; it was against his character --- it was important to Nick to learn on his own, even if he did not do as well as Charlie did .
(Remember: Charlie was a year behind Nick in school but already knew all the math that Nick was studying in January when they first met.)
(We did see Charlie OFFER to help Nick go over his math notes, when they 'd snuck out to the park. But Charlie had to leave Nick's house due to the fight between Nick (and Mom) and his brother, so he did not have a chance to help Nick before the test that would be on the coming Monday.)
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During the parent-teacher-student meeting, Mr. Farouk said he had not had Nick as a student long (implying that he did not have full information on how Nick had been doing). He said that Nick had been doing ok on his gcse's so far.
He emphasized that Nick needed to focus on his school work, and he'd be ok.
(Nick was known as an ok student -- not a normally stellar student as Charlie was.
The change in Charlie's grades were more noticeable because they had changed in the previous 3 months (since the assault in February; it was now about May))
[ Some viewers have assumed when the teacher said Charlie was always a stellar student but that his grades had been "slipping," that he meant that Charlie was failing all his classes.
A stellar student can have A average grades, and if his grades started "slipping," he could be getting B average grades. (still more than passing his courses)
The teacher said that Charlie had not turned in his history coursework essay/term paper yet, warning that if Charlie did not finish/turn it in, then he would get a failing grade in History. But Charlie knew that the paper was due at the end of the term, which was in several weeks. So he was not failing history, which was the only subject the teacher was worried about.
(Minor Spoiler for episode 3: Charlie does in fact finish his term paper and turn it in by the end of the term, as he predicts to his parents in the car)]
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Most of what was going on with Charlie was unknown/unnoticed by his parents and most of the teachers.
[It was easy for his parents to think that the only thing new in Charlie's life was Nick, and therefore blame Nick's presence for all Charlie's behavioral changes.
(Ironically, Nick has been Charlie's only respite ---- his relationship with Nick may have been the one thing that kept Charlie from sinking farther than he had.)]
no, it was because of charlie’s bad mental health
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Bad mental health --- caused by the outing, the bullying, the toxic "relationship" with Ben, and the assault.
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Tao's mom is so great, she's an og Telle shipper😂
plus her genuine just adoration with Elle is SO SWEET it makes me wanna cry
@@m1sslunatic803 yea, majorly heartwarming
“The universe is like ‘Why am I in this?’’” Made me laugh
29:52 😂😂😂 watching Netflix without a prescription 😂😂😂
Thank you so much for how well you feed us here and on Patreon. I don't have time to watch this yet, but definitely look forward to it!
Really appreciate this. Thank you! 🙏
This was the “three parents” episode: Nick’s, Charlie’s and Tao’s. What a contrast!
One constant theme in Heartstopper is emotional well-being. Tao’s mom was wholly focused on Tao’s emotional well-being. Nick’s mom was forced to deal with a crises by her jerk son; we are left guessing but assume in favor of protagonist Nick, protecting him from David’s blatant homophobia. And Charlie’s mom was wholly indifferent to Charlie’s emotional well-being. She could earn marks as a jail warden if she were in the running but is that the goal?
Have to note that because relationships are involved-and with sexual minorities, fragilities and sensitivities that straight people don’t always recognize, Charlie’s mom removed part of **Nick’s** emotional support as well-it isn’t just about “making out.”
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We did see Charlie’s mom the first season. Remember the episode when Nick came to the door in the rain? She was there and reminded Charlie that they were going to their grandmothers and he needed to change out of his pajamas. I actually agreed about Charlie‘s parents banning him from seeing Nick until he finished his paper. He should be able to do that in one or two evenings without distractions. That’s not really asking a lot. I also agree with Nick not telling Imogen about Ben. If he had done that, it would be outing him. No one should be outed, even if they are miserable person. I cried when Tao and his mother were talking. That was the moment in the series when I really started to understand Tao, and why he was like he was in the first season.
I have mixed feelings about these two specific points you’re discussing. On one hand, I do agree that Charlie should focus more on his studying, but at the same time he still had weeks to finish an essay that he managed to do in a few hours. I feel like it was more about him focusing globally on his studying instead of only this paper, because not only is it excessive for just one work imo, it’s also ineffective (they only prevented them from seeing each other at their house ; he could completely say that he was seeing Tao or Isaac and go see Nick instead). A complete ban isn’t really effective on a teenager, as we’ve been seeing here, Charlie still did it last minute. It probably would’ve gone better if they had discussed this and gone for a partial ban instead of a complete one, because Charlie could also have just done his coursework essay quickly to lift the ban and still not focused on his other subjects. They went for the easy choice without really thinking it through from a teenager’s standpoint imo.
As for Ben, I get that he probably didn’t think about it on the spot, but I personally would’ve just said that he sexually assaulted a friend that prefers to stay anonymous. Obviously it doesn’t move the plot along, but it would have been possible to warn her without outing Ben. Just a thought though, I get why he didn’t and it shows his inner conflict about coming out himself.
53:45 I think David did put two and two together with the hearts, but that he also saw the photo when he took the video game out of Nick's room.
Agree about his seeing the photo when he took the video game.
But the first time I watched this, it seemed that David thought that "Charlie" was a girl. (Could be short for Charlotte)
He referred to the Charlie on the phone as "she". If he's as homophobic (and ignorant about LGBT+ facts) as he was, then he probably made heteronormative assumptions.
I could go on forever about what I think about David...! Aaargh!
@@slm_766Just a note, "Charlie" can also just straight up be a girl’s name, and David did say "Is Charlie your girlfriend?", so he definitely assumed Charlie was a girl. And yeah, he’s a prick all around.
I adore the song playing during the picnic!
Yes! One of my favorites for season 2!
Elle has a major glow up this season! Her hair and clothes are gorgeous!
Not going to argue with you about the hazelnut and chocolate, but dark chocolate and orange is a strong second.
Just wanted to say I practically screamed, "He's back!!!" this morning.
I really enjoy your Heartstopper Reaction Videos -- especially your elaborate comments at the end.
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this friend group is so great
I’m excited to go on the Heartstopper journey with you. I binged your previous reactions and have now caught up. New subscriber. I love listening to your thoughts. They’re very well rounded.
I love your idea about these kids rooms and who they are happy to have in there. So interesting. And yes Tao's mum is just gorgeous inside and out.
One of the fun thinfs about this show is that the main character Charlie and Tao don't like Marvel. It's always been that way in the books, but the inside joke of the show is that the actors playing Charlie, Tao's mum and Nick's mum are all characters in the MCU. With Joe Locke being the biggest Marvel star of all of them.
So who wasn’t paying attention in season 1 then? You DID see Charlie’s mum in season 1.
I'm happy now, was waiting this!! ❤❤
Kit Connor did a lot of working out between S1 and S2! It was partly for this role (Nick is supposed to be a lot bigger than Charlie) and partly for another role, I think.
Sadly, he started to work out because some "Fans" said online that his Body doesnt match with the Nick in the Comics. There wasnt another Role at this time...
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Yes.
And Alice et al. hired Kit when he was the size he was in season 1. They did not consider his size to be a problem.
Kit was not handling the comments on social media well -- he had not had to deal with it when he worked in other shows and movies. (He seemed take the criticism of his body to heart, unfortunately.)
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He was 17 when filming began for season 1; he was playing a 16-year-old.
Kit did change a lot (even without going to the gym). He was 5'11" when he was 17. He had a LOT of freckles. And he said that he had always had a 'babyface' (When he was in Rocketman, he was 15, but looked about 12).
Kit was 18 when they began filming for season 2. (And he was still playing a 16-year-old)
He grew to be 6'1". He lost some of the babyface. The makeup people began toning down the freckles on his face (but not on his arms). His voice had lowered a bit.
Kit commented that the audience was going to have to suspend disbelief, because season 2 begins the day after Nick comes out to his mom.
Kit had changed over the span of a year BUT Nick was magically larger overnight!
(I remember binge watching seasons 1 and 2 back to back and being startled when the show went from 1x8 to 2x1. But after watching the rest of season 2, I got used to the "new Nick.")
@@slm_766- if there’s going to be a season 4, then they will have to get a move on and start filming soon as the make-up department will have their work cut out to keep the actors’ youthful looks!
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I get that --- good point about the ages.
This is what I looked into (and extrapolated from) --- so far:
Alice said that season 4 will have new content + some of the stuff in the novella Nick and Charlie. [Plus an epilogue that does a time skip into their future.]
I had to go back and do a detailed timeline for myself of the 3 seasons so far, so that I could figure out the ages of the characters in season 4 --- as well as the ages of the ACTORS.
Assuming Alice maintains the time frame for the Novella Nick and Charlie, there will be a time skip, and that part of the season will have Nick just ending his Year 13 and Charlie ending his Year 12.
Nick will begin UNI 3 months later; His birthday is the first week of September, so he'll be 18.
(Charlie had his birthday in late April of his Year 12, so when Nick enters Uni, Charlie will be 17.)
Charlie remains in Truham for his year 13, and late April of that school year, Charlie will turn 18.
The following September, Nick will begin his second year of UNI and will turn 19.
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Now the relevance of the above:
I read a comment, in which someone wondered whether Kit Connor and Joe Locke
would be able to play the parts in season 4 (given possible age differences).
Someone else said the actors would be too old to play "schoolboys."
[My following comments are hypothetical based on whether the actors would be willing and able to continue...]
If the future season has events that take place after the events of "Nick and Charlie," the characters would be adults in their early 20s, no longer schoolboys.
As for the actors ...
1.
While Kit Connor was filming season 3, he was 19, and this past March 4th, he turned 20.
The time frame of the books covers the periods when Nick is 17 and 18.
So for season 3, Kit was about 2 years older than Nick.
If there is a season 4 and if filming begins in October (as it did for season 3), Kit will be 20 still.
(But if filming for season 4 (assuming there will be one), begins later, then Kit will be over 20)
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Joe Locke is about 6 months older than Kit; He was 20 when season 3 was filming.
The time frame of the books covers the periods when Charlie is 16 and 17.
So for season 3, Joe was about 3 years older than Charlie
Again, if there is a season 4 and if filming begins in October, Joe will be 21.
(OR if filming begins later, then Joe will be over 21)
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SO....
At the end of the time frame of "Nick and Charlie," Charlie will be 18 and a little later Nick will be 19 (because of when their birthdays land).
At the rate of character vs actor ageing, (because of the one-year time skip between season 3 and season 4) the actors could be about 2 years older than their characters.
(Kit 21 playing 19; Joe 21.5 playing 18)
(Don't know how hard that would be for the makeup people...)
But if Alice does a several-year time skip in the epilogue (about their future) , their age differences would be less.
(I saw a mini-comic of hers in which the time skip was 10 years, possibly putting the characters in their late 20s)
In other words, the actors would be adults -- playing adults of similar ages. (Not schoolboys)
So the actors would be age-appropriate for the epilogue versions of the characters. (maybe both characters AND actors would be in their mid 20s or older)
(Still better than "Dawson Casting" ...)
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@@slm_766 In a way, Nick “grew up” between Seasons one and two so the increase in his physical stature (could be seen metaphorically) as he matured emotionally and realized his true nature. The “boy becoming the man” may be clichéd and unintentional but… it worked.
The preview image made me think for a moment, that it was 10th season of Doctor Who out of a sudden
Wait why 😂
@iacomary There's an episode in which the Doctor's companion and her friends are searching for a house to rent together. And I really though I saw them on the picture χD
@@leshiy_nd oh I forgot about that episode 😂
29:05 Hah ha ha ha!
I am a mom of a 16year old boy and I think Charlies mom is overreacting totally! He is a very good student and you don't have to give him this 0contact-sentence just bc he is not perfect. She seems to be so harsh, not listening and blustering.... I guess she is a controling person and overstrained with her boy having a boyfriend. His parents know he is gay, but they have no experience with an actual boy being in his live. And they seem to have no experience with a boy- or girlfriend from Tori.... it is difficult for some parents to accept that their child is getting older, falls in love and all that is coming with that.... ❤
There is an explanation for how Charlie's Mum acts in S3...
@@anikiradde7630 Thank you. I’ve been having a one-sided semi-argument with a different reactor about this on a different channel-he insists on calling these boys children and won’t reply to rational questions addressing maturation; grades are all important. Childhood relationships? Passing fancies, apparently. According to him mom’s reaction, not only justified but appropriate. The more I’ve thought about it the more I realized she was bullying Charlie (the year before Nick) as much as the school bullies were-completely different motivation and entirely oblivious to the effect it was having. Caring for someone doesn’t mean you can’t hurt them. I’ve given up-people can believe whatever they like-but I appreciate reading your comment all the more.
Yay!! Clicked as soon as I saw this!
Joe Locke is 5’9” and 10 stone in weight, I hope that gives you an idea of his size. I’m 5’10 and 11 stone so in my head we would work together 😂🤷🏼♂️.
"no hanky-panky until married" (Charlie and Nick get married) I thought the father's line was very inclusive. Most of the time it's not like that, it's even quite prejudiced.
Are you saying that Charlie and Nick COULD get married (by implication)?
Possibly.
But the book that MIGHT say that is not finished being written (Alice's Book 6).
I'm not talking about marriage, I'm talking about this specific statement from Charlie's father, who didn't think twice about accepting his son, because it's very difficult for a father to even think that his son could marry another man
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Ah! I see what you mean!
Thanks.
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@@carloseduardogomes3720 Stop saying hanky-panky.
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In the comics Charlie never left the rugby team and i like that Otis, Christian and Sai trying and Tao's and Nick's Moms are 👑
I know a lot of people hated his parents reaction but I feel like that’s normal it has nothing to do with him being gay they just don’t want them doing anything considering who knows how many times Nick has spent the night before this or Charlie stayed at his place and they wouldn’t have allowed it had they known they were together
Ive watched so.many different reactors and they are all like hating on the mom or saying like 'they can't get pregnant, what's the big deal' I'm like creating some healthy boundaries and ground rules surrounding the topic of dating is absolutely valid. Sure they can't get pregnant. But being emotionally vulnerable with someone and physically intimate is a huge deal and not to just be brushed aside. Of course....I'm a mom of a kid near their age soooo.....
So "No hanky-panky" before marriage -- Is that the part you are talking about?
This line throws me for a couple of reasons.
1. I am seriously old (73), so the vast majority of my lifetime, gays could not marry in the US.
So dad's demand jars me.
(If they couldn't marry, then what? No sex EVER?! )
(Yes, it's because I'm old with an excessive long-term memory)
2. When I was growing up (long before marriage equality), the 'no hanky-panky until marriage' rule was aimed at straight couples in order to keep the pregnancy rate down. Nick and Charlie are not likely to get pregnant, so...what's the big effin' deal?
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I mentioned this to my son, a millennial, who reminded me that the age of consent in the UK is 16.
Nick is 16 now. Charlie is only 15.
(This show emphasizes issues of consent, so I get this.)
[Yes, not all teens wait until they are 16+ (They didn't when I was 16, either) -- but the nature of the show leans towards taking your time.... So....ok.]
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[Minor spoiler:] In Book 5, Charlie turns 16 and well, he is at the age of consent so ...]
@@sarah.the.clumsy
Wait until you see the comments in season 3.
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@@marcusmelancon3426 Here’s a little history-real history. Do you know where the term “prick” comes from? Unlikely-don’t feel bad, it’s genuine obscura. Allow me to illuminate. In the middle ages, in (large?) parts of Europe, attitudes towards sex were-at the time-not progressive. Men were expected to never “touch” themselves. Erections were only for one’s wife, and presumably for procreation. In order to prevent these evil, unwanted erections men were expected to wear close fitting “cones” lined with pins (sometimes called needles but I don’t think you can imagine a modern needle in this context) over their penis-as an effective way to discourage erections. It was called a prick because, obviously, it would prick their penis of they became erect. Ouch! And from that, the term “prick” came to be synonymous with the thing it was meant to injure/protect.
Charlie did need guidance as far as his schoolwork was concerned, and guidelines to help with discipline-but growing up is about learning to be independent, not forced kicking and screaming to do what others tell you is right. That’s how you treat a five year old, not a 15 year old. And they completely ignored Charlie’s emotional well-being, which (after all) is what Heartstopper is all about. There is a term for the kind of behavior Charlie’s mother evidenced: it’s called “castrating.” If you line up her emotional outbursts, her “parenting” is all about her-not the welfare of her child. That doesn’t mean she means bad-I’m sure that isn’t the case. Not everyone has it together; people of call ages can have problems (and need help).
I wonder if we should warn him about the season finale 😂
Or we could not ruin things for people…?
@@quietdimeI just meant in a "Fair warning the finale will make you cry"
@@gokairedwillcipher
Actually, there may be several events (some shorter than others) that can be cause for having kleenex on hand.
That was true in season 1 -- It may be a structural pattern for the series.
So not really a spoiler, imo.
@gokairedwillcipher Or you could just be considerate and keep quiet so that he can experience it the way we all did.
It's worth noting that, when sorted by 'Best', your comment appears dead last.
@@mark99kWhat was the point of that second part