Coding Dojo Coding Bootcamp Review (Should You Go There in 2022?)
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I invited on 3 graduates from the coding bootcamp Coding Dojo to share their experience with the software engineering program. As usual, my goal is to get past the marketing BS and hear the REAL experiences of graduates. We dove into the pros AND the cons. Enjoy!
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I just watched your previous review of coding dojo after watching a youtuber promote this bootcamp.
Looks like this new one is the answer to my prayers.
Keep up the good work Don
I was going to sign up for coding dojo but felt like it was rushed because they had the soonest available start date and shortest timeline to learn coding. However, I researched about 14 other bootcamps and I'm realizing that it isn't normal to learn 3 stacks in such a short time. Also, I'm learning about the manipulation of the job placement rates and which firms use CIRR reporting or just the categorization to make their graduates data look more favorable. I think it's important for people selecting a bootcamp to recognize that the bootcamp itself is a business and its agenda is to maximize attendance which is done by convincing the public of success, not necessarily leading them to that... hence the data jedi mind tricks consistent with almost every bootcamp. I'm realizing that being proactive on every level (from reading reddit, watching plenty other RUclips videos) is the best way to have an edge in getting a job placement and nothing substitutes it. A supportive teaching community also goes far a long way and preferably a teaching staff with former professional experience, not former students placed in the bootcamp for a job 1) used to make placement stats favorable 2) who have never had an Industry job which is what most grads will be seeking. Also taking projects very seriously - a new 1 can be done after the camp is over but a lot of firms seek online platforms (i.e github, stack overflow) for collaboration on projects and these express individual interest and development in a way that creates visibility beyond just the programmers
To be honest, if you need to take a few months of your own time before diving into a bootcamp, you might as well continue teaching yourself. Its actually much more effective and cheaper to learn slow than to go fast in a bootcamp.
Exactly, I was thinking about a boot camp but I just looked at all the boot camps syllabus and how they were teaching students and just implemented it myself by following the syllabus. All you need is a portfolio and minimum 3 projects and technologies that you’ve learned. Of course learn all the stacks and prepare for interviews. It should take 6months with you applying to jobs after 3 months without the stress of a fast paced curriculum and not getting the information. I knew it was a red flag when you pay thousands and they just throw you in a zoom call with other students to practice. I could do that on my own or start a group for free lol
@@felixvargasjr6678 what's your path if you don't mind me asking
This review was great! I recently signed up for CodingDojo after doing some research on smaller self paced programs. If you can self teach great, but I know my life and I need this structure. I just want to share that, while yes I do feel that getting people in the "seats" is the number one goal, my admissions specialist was seemely honest. He didn't recommend the full-time program for my specific life needs, he answered my, comparison in regards to other programs, question without hesitation (but the biggest difference was career services when I feel like he could have said more) and took time to answer any questions I had. I'm very apprehensive about the cost and job placement, but that goes with anything, in most competitive industries. I do have a degree (not in CS) and I took a C# course which i loved. I also told him why I want to move into this industry so I didnt get the opportunity to feel that he just "let me in" with no experience or educational background at all, experience. Good luck everyone!
How was the camp for you? I got accepted and am considering following up and attending part time accelerated.
This information is golden. I was considering adding a coding bootcamp on top of finishing up my Comp. Science BA degree, but TBH it might be better to save my money and combine college classes with self learning.
I'm going to avoid these programs for now, since they don't seem worth it for my situation.
same here, i discovered coding dojo 2 days ago and would've considered doing it if I wasn't too far deep into college for my cs degree. I think its only ideal to do a bootcamp after graduating and cant find a job.
@@studyjourneyofficial Bachelor of Arts in Computer Science... also BS = Bachelor of Science. Arts is a little more foo foo stuff, Science (BS) is usually fewer non-related studies, often more STEM.
I was in the full time program. Had to retake python 3 times because, life happens. I had one good instructor throughout those retakes and got covid. After that i was kicked out. The boot camp goes really fast. Pretty difficult as a beginner imo. Going the self taught route from here on out. Awesome interview!
Did you start applying for jobs after are you we met prepared for it after graduating?
That's what I'm doing at the moment, but I will say the only hard thing about sel learning is that you have no one to rely on when you get stuck or explain y some code does what it does, but you have. more time in your hands to google and search and tutorials on youtube. and the feeling of figuring it out on your own is incredible.
You definitely learn best when you figure it out yourself too.
@@RodrigoGarciactg he didn't graduate he got kicked
@@alexanderquilty5705I agree. I have taken many courses for web dev. And in my free time was game coding with no courses.
And it just so happens I am a much better game coder right now. Most likely because I spent more time actually working on it then watching someone else talk about it.
I found your interview with real participants of different boot camps super informative. I love all the questions you asked which invited your interviewees to share their real experiences that wouldn't otherwise be found elsewhere.
Currently, I am looking for a coding boot camp that isn't just chasing revenue but also cares about the participant's ROI.
According to the experiences that your interviewees shared, I decided to skip Coding Dojo because team projects and instructors' availability are extremely important for an aggressive learning program in a short period of time.
If I dedicate my time and money to a program, I expect TAs and instructors do the same thing (or at least 20%). The class size of 1 instructor with 20 students implies a ‘less attention coverage mode', averaging 5% instructor's effort on each student.
I feel sorry for those who have been through this program because they didn't achieve as much as expected by the end.
Thank you all for sharing your stories and highlighting the importance of choosing a Bootcamp that fits individual needs.
I am going to do more research on other programs such as App Academy, Hack Reactor, etc. If you have any feedback on them or have other recommendations, please kindly let me know!
Thanks again, folks! 😊
FYI, the size of a full stack BootCamp at Dojo is now 40 students with 1 instructor and 1 TA (Just had a call with their admission advisor)
@@Qiuuu Hi, I'm also researching the coding bootcamp at this time. I am currently transfer to an university and there is a 4 months gap. I did not realize that I had to apply an internship. For now, I'm thinking if I can catch up any bootcamp that with good educational quality and small size class. Did you find out any bootcamp that really good fit to you? Can you share some to me? Do you have any suggestions that I can ask when I am get info from those bootcamps? Thank you.
Hey, have you found a bootcamp? I’ve been looking for a good bootcamp to go to.
Hi, which bootcamp are you in now?
which one would you recommend I'm on the same boat
I just started coding dojo online and finished my first boot camp. Even with it being part time it’s a fast paced course and with lectures only being 1-2 hours long a lot of this learning is on your own and you have to put in the work. Being a student i am concerned with the promises they make of the help they will provide to give you a job after you graduate. The reviews are interesting people seem to either love everything about coding dojo or hate it and think it’s a complete waste of money.
Any luck finding a job?
So I have been looking into a bootcamp to switch careers, and have majorly considered Coding Dojo, but after watching this I feel like my best option is actually self- taught. I dont think I would be able to absorb 3 full stacks in 14 weeks. Thank yall for that information and help!
It is quite difficult to learn in-depth 3 full stacks in 14 weeks.
Don, when asking people "who this bootcamp is and isn't for" can you remove responses that involve "you need to be a hard worker, a self-starter, and need to continually learn" as a response? I've watched 6 of these reviews and the guests responses are generally the same. That answer applies to all bootcamps so it's redundant across all of these reviews. Thank you, keep up the great work
Nah, I don't want to get into the habit of removing responses from guests. I very rarely will do that. I'd rather focus on changing the questions I ask. You have a good point about that being a common response though. Does that response really add value to anyone? Not really IMO. I'll probably reduce the number of times I ask that question.
@@DonTheDeveloper sorry, i could have worded this better. I think it's a fantastic question to ask, but it could be refined. Perhaps something like, "other than being a hard worker who loves to continually learn, who is this specific bootcamp for?" That type of wording would elicit more unique and valuable responses.
That guy doesn't need a boot camp but a Normandy beach of coding.
Ha.. Julian.. I appreciate the Office background
Holy sh*t! I just looked up how much this bootcamp is! Crazy!
How much did you expect it to be?
They have plenty of ways to decrease the price of tuition including but not limited to scholarships. I got the $17k tuition down to $13k easily.
I'm currently enrolled and half way thru the part time program i have passed both belt exams web-fun and python on first try. i'm currently in MERN if you have to retake then you didnt do the work...If you follow the steps and study and use the resources they give you will learn a TON of cool stuff. Maybe i like the pace of part time because it allows me to re-inforce my own knowledge on my own like for example. after we finish assignment. I like to go in and add features like custom CSS styling animations and other fun stuff. You gotta be into it and if you cant right click and sign up your a idiot. Plus the recruiters DO ASK YOU about your computer background and I'm sure they don't let everyone in. I wasn't a noob and lived in front of my computer doing tech shit for years. I do fine...its awesome school i will say this tho if I had taking it in 3months instead of 7 i would not be able to handle the deadlines or pressure or understand it as well. Because i have all week to talk to my TAS and get help.
I'm getting ready to start this bootcamp with my wife. We have no tech background whatsoever. Any tips?
@@Steven-zo6uz yes just stay focused and on top of it. It's probably going to be way easier in a household of 2 learners. Just don't be a noob about computer stuff. Your gonna need to know alot about your computer and be installing things zipping things...uploading things ect.. lets put it this way if you don't know basic lime a right click....and how to save a image. This isn't for you. If you've been proficient and using your computer daily.gor the last few decades you should be fine.
@@ianpageproduction yeah I'm somewhat good on the computer I learned fl studio this year so that helped. I'm supposed to learn python and HTML im hoping we can find a good job with those things
Good luck ...im doing all 3 stacks. I preferred MERN to Python but both easily learned don't be scared its easier than it looks
@@ianpageproduction How are you doing now? Any luck in job search? Im thinking about going here next month please let me know lol
Hey Don! We really appreciate this review. This helps us to maintain an exceptional level of service for our students.
Rest assured that we are always striving to improve so we can deliver high-quality service at our bootcamps; our students' and alumni's satisfaction is our top priority. We stand by the industry experience of our instructors, the breadth and depth of our curriculum, as well as the steps our teams have taken to make our online learning lively and interactive.
We've watched you video and our instruction team have concrete action items coming our way to ensure the quality of our bootcamps, so stay tuned.
That's what it's about - being humble enough to recognize where you can grow.
all of these make me feel sad, what coding boot camp can i actually trust?
Jacob was a triple black belt
Thank you for the content. I will be focusing on one stack, that being Python, and probably going the Coding Dojo route. With my current businesses this makes most sense for me. Have you had any further contact with graduates that had this focus, and how things panned out for them?
any luck?
A very irresponsible bootcamp. Canceled on site class 1 day before the class get started. Probably just gonna shut down and no longer exist. Employees are just not doing their job. They only care about get your tuition and then once they received it, bye bye to you! No customer representative give you refund, everything favors them terms and conditions. And I am not even a student yet, imagine if you are one of their student. : )
From the outside it seems like the whole point of one of these programs is to get a job. And here are three people who got through the entire program, one of them probably a top-of-the-food-chain student, and not one of them got a job (or rather currently has a job). So it just seems like this is not the fast track to a job. You might or might not learn something interesting and useful, but it seems unlikely that you will get a job from one of these programs. sorry to say.
Hey man great video. I’ve been thinking about coding / cyber security career paths for a while now. The only thing is that I have no knowledge in computers and I’ve been a blue collar worker for the majority of my life. Should I go straight into boot camp or get an associates in computer science ?
That’s my story as well haha. Been doing construction for forever. I’ve never done anything coding related and I’m probably gonna gonna be joining a bootcamp
I am heavily depressed and I want a job that allows me to not interact with people so I’m considering coding, but I can not pay attention for a long time, Im so bored and I have zero passion to get out of bed. So I will not be investing in coding dojo because I know I won’t succeed. Looking at free coding websites to just try it out though.
Or they had one person do the code in the break out rooms
This happened all too often. A friend of mine also went through the bootcamp and his classmates got mad at him for not always being the one to do it because they basically didn't know how to do it. I don't believe this is a problem with the bootcamp but more the mentality of some students that are looking for a shortcut in everything.
So no one did leetcode, no one knew about GitHub and nobody did internships ? I haven’t started yet and I’m already learning the basics of python, JavaScript and html and networking with other older programmers and am prepared to move to a bigger market in cali.
I also don’t work and don’t have any responsibilities so I can work on different languages as well as the bootcamp. It seems they thought the bootcamp would provide them with all the opportunities…
@@exemptt7831 let's connect!
Hey Don, funny question but I can't figure out what you say at 54:40 about bootcamps teaching ruby. Listened to it 10 times but nothing.
Could you please comment what you said there? (I'm considering Turing backend and they teach Ruby so it's kinda crucial :p )
I basically said that I think it's a huge flaw that coding bootcamps continue to teach Ruby.
@@DonTheDeveloper thank you
Coding Dojo is a HUGE waste of time and money. DON'T DO IT.
There is so much more value in Udemy courses.
loved there perspectives on this one, Do merit America bootcamp next!
There's a form link in this video's description where you can request a review.
Do codesmith next pls
^^^^^^ with more people
There's a form link in this video's description where you can request a review.
It’s helpful if you actually say which location they actually attended because obviously coding dojo in one location is not going to be anything like coding dojo in another location. Example I am located in San Jose California tech hub of the world and coding dojo. Here is nothing like anything with these guys just described
Good suggestion. Thanks.
@@DonTheDeveloper love your content by the way, I’m currently teaching myself coding and I listen to all of your podcasts while I’m working I work at a factory that makes printed circuit boards for places like SpaceX, blue origin, Microsoft and some defense department contracts. I’ve pretty much listen to every single one of your videos over the last four months.
@@ATFstein Appreciate that! I hope everything is going well.
How much is coding Dojo online full time.
17k
Teach your self and take few college coding courses
This is extremely disheartening. This is the 3rd podcast episode I’ve watched where no one had a full time developer job
Should I do coding dojo or withdraw and self teach?
This interview reminds me of the SNL skit about the 3 people interviewed about their alien abduction called Close Encounter regarding the difference in their experiences. "Yeah, it was a little different for me" LOL
I feel any course of education where you pay $16,000+ shouldn't be self paced
Why was that dude in the top left so scared to say Covid ? 🤣
Good content man! First time on your channel.
Welcome!
The reason I'm here is because of all the ads about coding dojo lol
Julian I agree with you and you're right. I wish it was longer and they taught everthing on that stacks they were teaching. I did learn a lot but I was lost. I know some people that got jobs right away I had to drive lyft for some extra cash. I even used my GI bill
It seems like Jacob definitely put in a lot more work in and outside of the Coding Bootcamp and it shows …
Adrian states “ applying for 100 jobs seems like way too many..”
While Jacob immediately follows stating he was applying 50+ job applications a day…
I feel like coding Dojo can’t make a dead horse drink .. Let alone career services
Hi Mikey! Coding Dojo here. While some bootcamps tend to offer career services towards the tail-end of the program, we give our students full access during AND after graduation. This is our way of making sure that students are seriously putting in the work (not just on the coding front) but more importantly, on increasing their chances of employability.
While we can't always 100% guarantee that students will land a job post-graduation, our CSMs are 100% there throughout our students and alumni's career to ensure that each one gets the support they need to achieve those career goals.
Hahaha yeah, and I keep all the applications I send recorded down in a spreadsheet. My record for 1 day is 136 applications!
You can see the difference in work ethic.
As someone who is considering their PT - Flex program, which only focuses on on 1 stack- Does anyone here have any insights on career opportunities after the bootcamp? I fear that only doing 1 stack will limit me in my career potential after the bootcamp.
Way too many coding bootcamps spread students too thin with different stacks. Focusing on a single stack is a good sign. Good luck Tara M.
Hello I watched many bootcamps reviews you did it looks like the bootcamps are not helping students to learn skills in good time frame. I think self taught is better in fact you will have more time to learn the concepts. If you open a Bootcamp I will be the first to jump on it quickly. There is no better Bootcamp out there. 🥺🥺🥺🥺🥺
After watching many interviews and researching bootcamps, the best way I thought to become a developer is self learn until you’re ready to start crazy fast learning experience and apply for legit bootcamp..
I don’t think any bootcamps can offer 0 to hero… you have to have fundamental either taking fundamental prep courses from bootcamps or self learn at least 6 months.
Hey @@stacyulzii6787, just in case you were still considering bootcamps... Most bootcamps don't expect students to know everything, but it's good to at least be familiar with some of the fundamentals - whether that's self-study or taking a prep course is completely up to you and your goals. :) But it's easily the best way to start getting well-acquainted with the fundamentals of programming.
This should give you (at the very least) a broad understanding of what the industry is all about so that you can choose the right school and the right program to help you progress on your goals. :)
Bootcamps help people with a few unspoken common issues, those being accountability && direction. Individual Accountability is a very undervalued conversation topic when weighing in on attending bootcamps. You can have all the drive in the world, only sometimes one Needs Guidance. To emphasize, in this field it's Okay to ask for Help. Interpersonal communication and character goes a long way.
Also, I believe this multi stack approach is implemented because it allows an attendee to review the same concepts three different times over 3 stacks. Talk about building the foundation !! (IMHO)
Wow this man sounds like me jacob :)
I graduated 2020 december
Julian Matinez I feel you bro I am a veteran too :)
None of them can find a job after graduation what a surprise.
Hmm..Finish early by 2 extra weeks? My guy..That should mean 2 weeks of iterating and polished work, checking out code smells etc. Use that time and those resources to go the extra mile.
Bash company then use their name to find a job afterwards. Bold approach..
Ps
A cynical viewpoint can be a obstacle to employment when a company will be potentially dishing out 100k+ . Soft skills and culture play a big role.
Food for thought & constructive criticism
thats what I was thinking as well