That charged mode should be a big thundering explosion instead of the electrotherapy bonk (also, does it only deal damage to the ONE enemy it hits per swing instead of the whole arc?!)
@@Reginald-sc9tk I mean the empower attack, it looks like it only hits the first enemy on the swing, so the rest of the impacts in the singular arc are normal damage. So sometimes when you try to hit the crusher in front of you, it hits something in the way and doesn't have empowered damage against the intended target.
4 men enter, slabs of meat, crushing heretic skulls, cleaning rations out of their teeth with puny dueling swords 4 gods leave, returning to the morningstar to applause and celebration all whilst the naysayers drown their sorrows in drink, knowing that they will forever be lesser to the abhuman called chug and his pet rock.
tbh jsat was probably the best teammate you could have for this. Jsat is a legend with close to a decade of experience and knowledge in tide games. He is an OG
we always knew the power of friendship is as strong as rock, but never tested how much it can endure against the enemies of the Imperium, good to know the boys can puch the heretics to a pulp
Simultaneously the most inspiring and frustrating ogryn footage. God damn that power maul is painful to watch with enemies reacting to its AOE like a stiff breeze.
Whilst I appreciate this is sarcasm/jokes and it's Havoc 40 and all that, I do wish not taking damage in general was something people aspired to, feels so much more gritty and immersive.
@@CoffeeFiend1 not taking damage in havoc 40 without overtoughness is not impossible but you'd be having to reset your run _every_ time you took a little damage which would be incredibly tedious. Plus you'd have to play in an incredibly boring way.
Ha! reminds me of my meme build I cooked up once I called "Smitegryn" cuz you basically do the Smite Psyker thing, you just stagger everything over and over and barely do any damage. I mostly just used it whenever I got someone new into the game and knew they might need a bit of breathing room for the harder missions.
Thats basically what my build was in a lot of ways. At least I got to do melee and lead rushes instead of being heinously bored all game with smite though.
That's basically my Powermaul Ogryn I've been running since the perk rework. If you take out the two on the top right and take the perk below to reach the 25 toughness and then the 2 perks out of bull rush I put the 3 point into the heavy hitter tree to get the 10% rending, 10% toughness damage reduction and 15 damage resistance while charging a heavy attack.
I used to run exclusively the power maul as the ability to stagger basically everything is amazing, but the inability to kill anything in two strikes makes it impossible to be by myslef
People keep saying that havoc is forcing meta builds every game but i like how it has made some perks/weapons viable that weren't really considered before.
don't worry we sent our best men! ...........best?...........you sent four Ogyrns down there that don't even know how to operate a gun. oh yee of such little faith. tsk tsk tsk. you've never seen an Ogyrn at work have you? what they lack in basic intelligence they make up for in pure undaunted muscle and love for the God King.
@@Reginald-sc9tkDid you all run the bullrush too or was anyone on taunt? Sorry I’m curious because I love Ogryn and have been a FnP advocate for a while now but I’m always torn on taunt vs bulrush since they are both amazing in different situations. Never mind I got further into the video and heard the taunt call out against the gunners after the three boss section! So that’s awesome!
Mk3b is the best and its mid at best which is to say bad compared to any non-ogryn weapon. You're best using karsolas or shield. Ogryn weapons need buffs.
I have always tought that people severly underestimate just how TANKY you can make ogryn with the right talents etc and actually being good at the class. Regularly run a meme pure middle tree + bleed build shieldgryn into the hardest difficulties (before havoc, been to busy to get into the new system properly yet). Also the amount of CC ogryns have from just basic attacks with no cooldown or anything is unmatched by any other class, and CC straight up wins runs since usually being overwhelmed is what gets you killed (and disablers).
Ogryn is a very weird class to play. He's got such highs and lows. A lot of people complain about his survivability into shooters especially in havoc and that was a major problem for him which we fixed the same way you fix that in auric - aggression. But in havoc it really requires some serious teamwork and I don't think that speaks well to ogryn's state in Havoc. FnP really helps though I'll be putting it to the test later. The CC and damage output he can do in melee is a big part of his highs and lows. He's insanely rewarding in aggressive melee and extremely punished for not being in melee. Which is a little wrong.
@@Reginald-sc9tk Indeed, you are generally slower and have a massive hitbox so if you missplay and put yourself in a bad spot against gunners as a melee focus ogryn without a taunt block slab shield you are in trouble. Forces a much more deliberate and meassured playstyle and requires you to have good situational awareness. Agressive ogryn play without shield requires analyzing the enemies ahead (gunners mostly) and maximising cover usage on approach, otherwise you get rinsed unless you have a good team that deals with those for you. Kickback is still REALLY good for killing disablers and gunners even at medium range (and stagger/knock down if not kill). Gungryn can be incredebly powerfull but it does nomnom a lot of the ammo so ammo vet and/or non/low ammo users like psyker are required for the team composition. Ogryn is maybe the least versatile class in that you have to either commit to melee or range to be strong, but doing so makes you VERY strong in that particular area and thus you need your team to complement your weakness.
@@Reginald-sc9tk Power maul certainly didn't give you an advantage. Miniscule CC that can be filled in by base kit, no damage and no ability to block ranged damage. A lot of havoc 40 is down to ranged enemies spawn RNG. This particular run wasn't exactly lucky, but i've had it worse on this map. There's too many variables at play, so it's difficult to pass a hard judgement, but quad shield setup is definitely the highest win chance you can get playing like this. Not to imply anything, but i don't know how much practice you four have with it. It's simple, but it does require a good bit of practice to mix blocking and dodging properly to walk into and disrupt gunners, even without using bullrush. Responding to incoming fire fast and attacking from avenues where you're not surrounded with ranged damage matters a lot, too. I was able to become VASTLY more efficient with shield on havoc 40 with some practice. I do have pubbies putting down bubbles and relicing for me, but even in this situation the ability to block ranged damage would have had the highest value.
@@deadspicy2557 If you're solo building ogryn shield or pickaxe is absolutely the play. However power maul is not a miniscule CC, as evidenced in the footage I showed off at the beginning. It was extremely noticable when I swapped to it compared to how we were forced to handle density before. It slowed everything down and gave the other players space to chunk the enemy down. I don't know how much damage shield does compared to pickaxe but getting DPS gated was one of the problems we ran into when we ran double shield double pickaxe. Getting gated by overwhelm was another. Double pickaxe, single shield, single maul provided the best distribution of utilities. The suppression radius from empowered strikes was also important for keeping gunners from creating new lanes of fire immediately after stagger ended. I am not a huge fan of the PMaul at all. I think it blows. But it served a specific purpose in this 4 stack that was valuable and every game I took it compared to an alternative weapon also experienced that direct advantage. It also helps filter chaff from big boys when moving backwards allowing more targeted kills on bigger threats and can open bulwarks every swing. Its not that I think I'm more experienced than you at ogryn, its that this 4 stack run benefited specifically from filling this niche and we experimented a lot to arrive at this composition.
@Reginald-sc9tk Fair point. Most of this probably applies to this particular challenge, since you take rocks instead of boxes or nukes because you can't use ranged weapons. Pickaxe and bully club outdamages shield by around 300k over the course of the match. I have met two good ogryns on 40 havoc. One went with pick, the other used club. I haven't looked at their build, so i can't know for sure what they were running. They might have had heavy hitter, which would allow them to get that 300k on me. They received much more damage than i did, though. I finished the matches with around 300 damage taken on average, and they had around 1.5k damage taken, i even had to clutch them a couple of times. I'd like to say that getting feel no pain would allow them to still outdamage shield and remain more durable at that, but i simply don't know what keystones they were running. If you're getting strong overtoughness and/or bubble coverage, pickaxe with heavy hitter is definitely more valuable than shield.
My opinion on ogryn is still that a lot of people play him wrong and thats where about half the complaints come from. But I also think that he's underpowered and overexposed. His action economy is bad and he lacks the ogrynness people expect.
@@U.U-lw4ee I think gold toughness is bad for balance and should be heavily adjusted. But I'd take toughness DR on cast as a built in for the team. Taunt could use some things to make it more interesting.
@@Aalienik Its hard to explain with precision. But a lot of it is a lack of aggression at the right times into the right enemies. Ogryn is heavily punished for mistakes, but go look at the first engagement into that huge gunner ball at the beginning of the ogryn run. Our aggression allows us to shut everything down and start clearing. My mistake costs me half my HP. If I was playing zealot there I would have taken 0 damage for that play. So Ogryn does need buffs. But I see a lot of ogryns in general auric games either hang back to try and shoot it out or try to rush that kind of threat down well after the enemy is already looking at them. Ironically Ogryn has to try and thread the needle of enemy attention and rush from unexpected angles. But once he's in melee he flattens.
@@Reginald-sc9tkWorlds first krieg squad? Worlds first catachan squad? Worlds first enforcer squad? Worlds first sister repentia squad? It may be time to start flavoring it up bois
never expected a power maul of all things to be in the completed run
Me either.. That pillowstick needs some buffs.
And here I thought as a beginner its a good weapon. Guess I was wrong damn it.
That charged mode should be a big thundering explosion instead of the electrotherapy bonk (also, does it only deal damage to the ONE enemy it hits per swing instead of the whole arc?!)
@@nicolasvillasecaali7662 no it has cleave damage but the weapon is a pool noodle
@@Reginald-sc9tk I mean the empower attack, it looks like it only hits the first enemy on the swing, so the rest of the impacts in the singular arc are normal damage. So sometimes when you try to hit the crusher in front of you, it hits something in the way and doesn't have empowered damage against the intended target.
4 men enter, slabs of meat, crushing heretic skulls, cleaning rations out of their teeth with puny dueling swords
4 gods leave, returning to the morningstar to applause and celebration all whilst the naysayers drown their sorrows in drink, knowing that they will forever be lesser to the abhuman called chug and his pet rock.
“Chug chug chug chug chug chug chug”
the morning star crew screams, not knowing how he made it back.
fuck it, close enough
welcome back, Titus and squad
Heretics act real tough til' they see the short Valkyrie headed their way
dark communion rules imo
tbh jsat was probably the best teammate you could have for this. Jsat is a legend with close to a decade of experience and knowledge in tide games. He is an OG
Jsat is an amazing player and also a really nice dude who is fun to play with.
@@Reginald-sc9tk yes! Glad you guys can play together
we always knew the power of friendship is as strong as rock, but never tested how much it can endure against the enemies of the Imperium, good to know the boys can puch the heretics to a pulp
Simultaneously the most inspiring and frustrating ogryn footage. God damn that power maul is painful to watch with enemies reacting to its AOE like a stiff breeze.
Agreed. I hate a lot of things on ogryn.
Now do it without taking damage
Hahaha noooo
Whilst I appreciate this is sarcasm/jokes and it's Havoc 40 and all that, I do wish not taking damage in general was something people aspired to, feels so much more gritty and immersive.
It would be nice to look forward to such challenge instead of fearing it because the class has some annoying shortcomings and not because it's hard.
@@CoffeeFiend1 not taking damage in havoc 40 without overtoughness is not impossible but you'd be having to reset your run _every_ time you took a little damage which would be incredibly tedious. Plus you'd have to play in an incredibly boring way.
@@Reginald-sc9tkpsykers: agis condured!!
Ha! reminds me of my meme build I cooked up once I called "Smitegryn" cuz you basically do the Smite Psyker thing, you just stagger everything over and over and barely do any damage. I mostly just used it whenever I got someone new into the game and knew they might need a bit of breathing room for the harder missions.
Thats basically what my build was in a lot of ways. At least I got to do melee and lead rushes instead of being heinously bored all game with smite though.
London lads have never looked better
2:11 Dive..hmmm 👀 lol, i wish Power Maul was one of the best for Orgyns, nice run pal
I wish it was too. The weapon needs buffs so badly.
@Reginald-sc9tk For now hop on Zealot and use the CRUSHER!
Damn, they should really nerf Ogryn. This should not be possible
So true
Nice to see the shield's special attack's time to shine during that gunner+reaper gauntlet.
That's basically my Powermaul Ogryn I've been running since the perk rework. If you take out the two on the top right and take the perk below to reach the 25 toughness and then the 2 perks out of bull rush I put the 3 point into the heavy hitter tree to get the 10% rending, 10% toughness damage reduction and 15 damage resistance while charging a heavy attack.
thx for video, good job
Hope you had some fun with it.
I used to run exclusively the power maul as the ability to stagger basically everything is amazing, but the inability to kill anything in two strikes makes it impossible to be by myslef
People keep saying that havoc is forcing meta builds every game but i like how it has made some perks/weapons viable that weren't really considered before.
I agree. I just cleared a 39 last night with 1 of each class and no bubble,chorus,shout too. Pretty smooth sailing and very fun.
don't worry we sent our best men!
...........best?...........you sent four Ogyrns down there that don't even know how to operate a gun.
oh yee of such little faith. tsk tsk tsk. you've never seen an Ogyrn at work have you? what they lack in basic intelligence they make up for in pure undaunted muscle and love for the God King.
blitz only psykers can it be done
rock and stone!
16:20 mother of beatings
Great video, what blessings do you recommend on plasma gun?? ❤
Depends on build but Rising Heat and Gets Hot are good choices.
Why stubber? Kickback and rumbler give mobility and faster draw so you can get that sweet sweet toughness.
I was literally too lazy to swap
Swap to a bully club 3 set it to toughness on chain toughness on hit if you need survivability.
The problem is not melee toughness regen for ogryn. The problem is pushing shooters in situations where they are already alerted.
Were you all running the same talant builds or did the shield user run something different?
I do not have each build for the H40 but everyone took FnP
@@Reginald-sc9tkDid you all run the bullrush too or was anyone on taunt?
Sorry I’m curious because I love Ogryn and have been a FnP advocate for a while now but I’m always torn on taunt vs bulrush since they are both amazing in different situations.
Never mind I got further into the video and heard the taunt call out against the gunners after the three boss section!
So that’s awesome!
@@FatherAntithetical IMO a solo ogryn in a squad of non-ogryns should run Indomitable and FNP. A group of ogryns should have a mix.
lol trappers world rocked
Tanner in shambles right now
Why should he be?
@@manuelgunther135 It's become so meta at this point that we can't tell if @taimen720 is a Tanner fan or hater. Just enjoy the ride lmao
@@jfu12450 the powers of the warp work in mysterious ways
rent free in your head right now
As he should be. The most cringe and whiny "content creator"
How viable is bully club I see everyone running shield or pickaxe but they just feel so slow to me
Mk3b is the best and its mid at best which is to say bad compared to any non-ogryn weapon. You're best using karsolas or shield. Ogryn weapons need buffs.
Wow so good play boss
Hell yeah
I have always tought that people severly underestimate just how TANKY you can make ogryn with the right talents etc and actually being good at the class.
Regularly run a meme pure middle tree + bleed build shieldgryn into the hardest difficulties (before havoc, been to busy to get into the new system properly yet).
Also the amount of CC ogryns have from just basic attacks with no cooldown or anything is unmatched by any other class, and CC straight up wins runs since usually being overwhelmed is what gets you killed (and disablers).
Ogryn is a very weird class to play. He's got such highs and lows. A lot of people complain about his survivability into shooters especially in havoc and that was a major problem for him which we fixed the same way you fix that in auric - aggression. But in havoc it really requires some serious teamwork and I don't think that speaks well to ogryn's state in Havoc. FnP really helps though I'll be putting it to the test later.
The CC and damage output he can do in melee is a big part of his highs and lows. He's insanely rewarding in aggressive melee and extremely punished for not being in melee. Which is a little wrong.
@@Reginald-sc9tk
Indeed, you are generally slower and have a massive hitbox so if you missplay and put yourself in a bad spot against gunners as a melee focus ogryn without a taunt block slab shield you are in trouble. Forces a much more deliberate and meassured playstyle and requires you to have good situational awareness. Agressive ogryn play without shield requires analyzing the enemies ahead (gunners mostly) and maximising cover usage on approach, otherwise you get rinsed unless you have a good team that deals with those for you.
Kickback is still REALLY good for killing disablers and gunners even at medium range (and stagger/knock down if not kill).
Gungryn can be incredebly powerfull but it does nomnom a lot of the ammo so ammo vet and/or non/low ammo users like psyker are required for the team composition.
Ogryn is maybe the least versatile class in that you have to either commit to melee or range to be strong, but doing so makes you VERY strong in that particular area and thus you need your team to complement your weakness.
神！
Now do it in a pug.
Lel never never
Invalid run. Used ranged weapon to zoom for info. Shameless.
I also used it for flashlight AND toughness. Insane.
Solid gameplay, but this could have been much faster and smoother if you played quad shields. Or ar least two picks, two shields.
We tried that in other games. It didn't make a big difference and we didn't win until this run.
@@Reginald-sc9tk Power maul certainly didn't give you an advantage. Miniscule CC that can be filled in by base kit, no damage and no ability to block ranged damage. A lot of havoc 40 is down to ranged enemies spawn RNG. This particular run wasn't exactly lucky, but i've had it worse on this map. There's too many variables at play, so it's difficult to pass a hard judgement, but quad shield setup is definitely the highest win chance you can get playing like this. Not to imply anything, but i don't know how much practice you four have with it. It's simple, but it does require a good bit of practice to mix blocking and dodging properly to walk into and disrupt gunners, even without using bullrush. Responding to incoming fire fast and attacking from avenues where you're not surrounded with ranged damage matters a lot, too. I was able to become VASTLY more efficient with shield on havoc 40 with some practice. I do have pubbies putting down bubbles and relicing for me, but even in this situation the ability to block ranged damage would have had the highest value.
@@deadspicy2557 If you're solo building ogryn shield or pickaxe is absolutely the play. However power maul is not a miniscule CC, as evidenced in the footage I showed off at the beginning. It was extremely noticable when I swapped to it compared to how we were forced to handle density before. It slowed everything down and gave the other players space to chunk the enemy down. I don't know how much damage shield does compared to pickaxe but getting DPS gated was one of the problems we ran into when we ran double shield double pickaxe. Getting gated by overwhelm was another. Double pickaxe, single shield, single maul provided the best distribution of utilities. The suppression radius from empowered strikes was also important for keeping gunners from creating new lanes of fire immediately after stagger ended. I am not a huge fan of the PMaul at all. I think it blows. But it served a specific purpose in this 4 stack that was valuable and every game I took it compared to an alternative weapon also experienced that direct advantage. It also helps filter chaff from big boys when moving backwards allowing more targeted kills on bigger threats and can open bulwarks every swing.
Its not that I think I'm more experienced than you at ogryn, its that this 4 stack run benefited specifically from filling this niche and we experimented a lot to arrive at this composition.
@Reginald-sc9tk Fair point. Most of this probably applies to this particular challenge, since you take rocks instead of boxes or nukes because you can't use ranged weapons. Pickaxe and bully club outdamages shield by around 300k over the course of the match. I have met two good ogryns on 40 havoc. One went with pick, the other used club. I haven't looked at their build, so i can't know for sure what they were running. They might have had heavy hitter, which would allow them to get that 300k on me. They received much more damage than i did, though. I finished the matches with around 300 damage taken on average, and they had around 1.5k damage taken, i even had to clutch them a couple of times. I'd like to say that getting feel no pain would allow them to still outdamage shield and remain more durable at that, but i simply don't know what keystones they were running. If you're getting strong overtoughness and/or bubble coverage, pickaxe with heavy hitter is definitely more valuable than shield.
@@deadspicy2557 I appreciate your time and advice.
Woah that's like 100 times more impressive than what Tanner did
Its a shame ogryn is in such a bad spot. This shouldn't have been a hard game.
I think there is like 5 % of players that can do this 😂
My opinion on ogryn is still that a lot of people play him wrong and thats where about half the complaints come from. But I also think that he's underpowered and overexposed. His action economy is bad and he lacks the ogrynness people expect.
@Reginald-sc9tk what if ogryn taunt had option to give golden toughsness? That woud make him more valued at havoc
In what way would you say that people play ogryn wrong?
@@U.U-lw4ee I think gold toughness is bad for balance and should be heavily adjusted. But I'd take toughness DR on cast as a built in for the team. Taunt could use some things to make it more interesting.
@@Aalienik Its hard to explain with precision. But a lot of it is a lack of aggression at the right times into the right enemies. Ogryn is heavily punished for mistakes, but go look at the first engagement into that huge gunner ball at the beginning of the ogryn run. Our aggression allows us to shut everything down and start clearing. My mistake costs me half my HP. If I was playing zealot there I would have taken 0 damage for that play. So Ogryn does need buffs. But I see a lot of ogryns in general auric games either hang back to try and shoot it out or try to rush that kind of threat down well after the enemy is already looking at them. Ironically Ogryn has to try and thread the needle of enemy attention and rush from unexpected angles. But once he's in melee he flattens.
Everybody wanna be "World's First" for no apparent reason. Smh
Its funny, I hope more people take up the mantle.
@@Reginald-sc9tkWorlds first krieg squad? Worlds first catachan squad? Worlds first enforcer squad? Worlds first sister repentia squad? It may be time to start flavoring it up bois
@@DragonBorn2000000000 you get me
is it a rule in warhammer darktide for everyone to sound like a nerd? every vid im seeinng its always a nerdy sounding kid i swear LOL
Go away old man. We don't want your kind 'round here.
How was it bullying the nerdy kid 40 years ago into self delete? People like you disgust me
power maul confirmed good
God I hate the pillowstick. But it has a use case.