I'm not Christian and even an anti-theist i think religion does more harm than good... And even I fully 100% agree that Prince of Egypt is a fucking masterpiece. I only say that because I've heard people say "people only praise it because it's Christian propaganda" but I just fully disagree. Regardless of faith it's an excellent film.
this is actually one of the best animation methods because 3d objects in animation are typically lacking "life"so its used for inanimate objects while the 2d has "life" and moves around more.
I’m not against 3D and I think it can be used to great effect but classic 2d animation touches the human soul in a truly unique way. (Both are amazing, but offer unique vibes)
Fantasia 2000 was one of the most incredible, visceral experiences of my childhood. I'll never forget the firebird and the sheer terror that it invoked.
Say what you want about anime, but I’m glad that Japan has taken over 2D animation to still offer us stunning stories even in 2022. Without them and the abandon of 2D animation by western studios we would really be in a little dark age…
And nobody’s complaining . Everyone is perfectly fine with 2d animation . However we lost arguably the greatest animation movement in history. Thank god at least we have anime
It's funny, it's not like the modern animation they show is poorly made. Like, the fur looks amazing etc. It's that they're poorly designed and soulless compared to early animated styles
It's not wrong considering that many children will not know Disney's amazing old 2D animation movies and many parents will show them , The feeling they will feel when showing all those works of art to their children will be practically this
I think it's due to a few factors: exaggeration, symbolism, and emotional vibrancy. A lot of these movies weren't just depicting reality, they were depicting a hyper-real version of it, using simple symbolic characters with just enough detail to get their point across, and no more. There was an economic nature to it. Like you said, a person telling a story to a group. They don't ramble, they get to the point, and they make a big show of things. That simplicity mixed with that exaggeration, it makes things feel real even if they aren't. It touches the heart.
I spotted Brother Bear! What a beautiful and very underapreciated movie with a deep message as well. My mom banned me from watching this movie as a kid because it made very emotional and I always cried 😂
I bet because of this oppresive culture in the west for mass media. Many great movies and ideas will be made by Eastern Animation more and more as its a much freer market (when it comes to ideas, concepts and stories).
@@tramachi7027 I reckon a big part of it is due to feminism shoe horning their politics into every part of media, so writers have to conform to make generic story and generic visuals. Like you said, ideas, concept and stories are very restricted.
@@Yorikoification No it’s just marketing. Corporations love playing it safe and creating stories that are guaranteed to maximize profits, not meaningful art. If anything, feminism oftentimes encourages amazing art, it’s just that corporations don’t understand what they’re dealing with and only understand it on a surface level, making shit grating in a way that’s often hard to define. Blame the companies, not the people.
I feel pity for the idiots ITT who try to turn this subject into a political debate because "[ideology] bad!!" Nobody cares; discuss the topic _at hand._
0:47 best scene for every antagonist 0:56 Legendary scene of how a evil antagonist turns everything into hell and fire and constant lava and smoke 10/10 great scene for an old hand drawn paper
A couple months ago, I commented on post on Instagram about the decline of animation that had Prince of Egypt scenes in it. I stated that this movie was criminally underrated. A few weeks later, someone commented and said he watched this movie because of my comment and it was now his favorite movie of all time and he wanted to thank me for my comment. Got to be one of the coolest moments of my life. Thank you for posting this and continuing to spread positivity through film!
2d/3d combined still has so much potential. You can still see it being used extensively in modern Japanese animation. I think Disney and Dream Works had the right idea with it in the mid 90s-early 2000s still. Treasure Planet, Prince of Egypt & Tarzan being prime examples in this video specifically, imo.
Is the presence of 2d/3d in Japanese animation really a good thing? I was always of the impression that the presence of 3d, at all, in a predominantly 2d Japanese animated work is simply to cut costs and save time. (This is of course, excluding Japanese animated works that are entirely 3D e.g. Berserk and Blame!) I think some art is created with restrictions and that those restrictions can serve the art but I've always been of the opinion that 3d elements in 2d Japanese animated works were always something tolerated, never accepted. A "necessary evil," if you will. Do you really believe Japanese animators would still combine 2D and 3D, even if they had unlimited resources?
@@lemonprime7889 I honestly do think they would. But due to the pressure of that market and the high constraints being placed on animators I wouldnt think they do. Perhaps wester animation as seen with Marvel's Into the spiderverse. But generally I do think they would. Just by looking at what they could do in attack on titan ruclips.net/video/CeLvx_1FBdk/видео.html It generally makes things more immersive and breathtaking than they would if they animated it normally. It adds depth.
@@voli293 What I love about Into the spiderverse its that there its actually different forms of animation in just one scene, by example the forest scape with Peter and Miles even moving on diferent speed or frames on the same scene, on the other side I see the pressure between time and production on anime, by example Overlord last season, or another seasonal animes with the need of represent army battles or many action in the background, also I couldn enjoy Batman Ninja, or Godzilla: Planet of the Monsters, that kind of animation its not really for me, I now its Netflix but after all its anime.
3D animation would be fine if we actually got some unique artstyle and not the same looking faces for years now... So god bless Spiderverse and Arcane.
@@thechugg4372 you sound like my roomate who spews everything that mainstream critics tell him to think, why don't you like something original? people act like arcane and spiderverse are god teir animations because of post processing effects and default engine settings, when really it doesn't express anything but color and garbage themes that've been written to cliche and they made me feel nothing, but tell me what corrodore crew told you...
i've heard people claim it was because the 2D animators unionised against the "crunch" conditions disney expected of them, so in response disney just shifted to the 3D animators who were ununionised due to being a fairly new technology at the time.
@@EaterGreenthe animators behind spider face has to touch up and draw over every frame of that movie which made it take like a million years to come out You just sound extremely ignorant of the technical wizardry at hand lol
@@Wanderlight17 yea sure bring me something protagonist good as thorfinn. western animation is full of childish stuff. never seen a cartoon where child soldier grew up to be pacifist. dude literally went mercenary "war is the only thing that’s ever truly mattered to me" to farmer saying "i have no enemies. I need to grow more wheat than I trampled underfoot."
@@QWERTY-gp8fd judging by your tone, whatever answer i'll give, you won't believe me. If you genuinely believe western animation is just childish stuff, you simply have a lot to learn, that's all i'll say. I don't know what the Vinland Saga is, but your description sounds like a pretty average "quest for peace" story to be honest. By all means enjoy it, but don't act like it's somehow unique. Don't act like western animation is bad if you've only scratched the surface
we are seeing small bits of resurgence in films like klaus and shows like Primal, where unique artstyles > 3d, though those are still in the miniority.
I also think they did an amazing job on the Invader Zim movie. They did so well keeping the vibes true to the old series whilst introducing us to new visual and refreshing elements. I liked how gritty and blocky the old style was and I won’t lie, the new cuter style had me a little surprised at first but I think they really made it work! I’m still on the fence about the Hey Arnold! film as the plot was a little whacky and out of touch compared to the show (imo), but once again it was still visually very pleasing to watch and it really did feel like the characters had returned. I really do hope they do more of these and come back to these classic cartoons, particularly old Nickelodeon and Cartoon Network ones :)
why does this feel like my childhood is dying. these movies and the medium of animation inspired me to pursue art as a kid, so without them i would have next to nothing . . oh dear
Yeah those were made after hand animated cartoons were all ready 30-70 years old. CGI is in its third decade of widespread use so we're just coming up on the equivalent of Cinderella or snow white someday soon.
@@qwopiretyu the perfect 3D animated movie already exist , it's Rango . except that the perferct 3D animated film is just stop motion or puppetry with sfx .
Despite 2D animation being a lot more difficult and time consuming it shows, not to mention how much more life and uniqueness it brings. Part in why some anime today just fills that whole western media just dumped and left
Anime has partly filled that hole, but you shouldn't sleep on TV animation. ATLA, gravity falls, infinity train, 2D animation isn't dead in the west, its just moved.
Honestly, 2D isn't even that much more difficult or time consuming. For example look at all the 2D cartoons & handmade videos that artists put out on Instagram or RUclips. Modern technology makes 2D super easy to work with. The reason 2D was abandoned was becuade Disney wanted to cut out unions, and 2D animators were unionized, 3D animators weren't.
I gotta say, I think Treasure Planet is one of the greatest animated films of all time. It’s nearly perfect in my opinion, considering animation and writing (even though it’s a rendition of treasure island) It’s gotta be my favorite animated movie ever.
The opening of Tarzan with the burning ship is INSANE. And Iron Giant fighting the military, especially with the nuke. Man I miss these movies. The only thing that has impressed me recently was Arcane and the Clone Wars, even if they were 3D. (Though the 2003 2D Clone Wars is awesome.)
@@LordVader1094 hahaha yeah it's a shame it's not in this video. Captain Fordo and General Grievous were the best in it for sure. They made a terrifying Grievous...
CGI can do amazing things now. I threw in the towel long ago arguing that traditional methods- hand drawing, puppets, stop motion, makeup, etc.- look better and more 'real' or 'alive.' I've been taken aback by how good the best of CGI can accomplish. However, that being said, I've never been emotionally struck, choked up by the sheer beauty of a moment from a CGI film the way I have with hand drawn. Fantasia. Sleeping Beauty. They'll never, ever be topped. They're America's Sistine Chapel. The pinnacle of our artistic achievement.
@@egekazkayas8968 Into the Spiderverse is amazing, but I don't think it's timeless in the sense something like Fantasia is and as such could never be up there among the greatest.
@@egekazkayas8968 they still hybridized 2D into spidervese though. so they didn’t abandon that completely many of the comic book style key frames were hand animated and they overlay hand dawn 2D animation on the character models
@@egekazkayas8968 except that it wasn't 100% CG like most of the movies put out by Disney these last years, that's why the animation was able to shine so much. It had a hybrid element and style that just weren't being accomplished by others
Let's all be grateful we grew up with old Disney, I may be only 21 years old but i remember having some of the movies on VHS that i used to rewatch over and over again, good times :D
Man. I remember most of these but a few of these really stood out. I mean I had fucking goosebumps at the end dude. Wow. I grew up on most of these movies. Honestly I think it's why I became so obssessed with animation in general. When you end up watching stuff like fantasia at a young age I feel that primes your brain to be the type that cares more about the art value of something than whether it be easy to watch. I know that companies aren't at all what they used to be. But I miss when all this monolithic energy used to be used on things of substance. I would rather a world where passion projects like the black cauldron are allowed to see the light of day despite flopping. It's such a megalithic company that you would think they could tank the losses so that the truly creative people can make their projects.
Treasure Planet is my all time favorite, taking a contemporary story and adding all the strengths of sc fi elements with none of the weaknesses and still retaining it's original vibe of a swashbuckling adventure into the unkown. Not to mention the classic tale of a wild son finding a fatherly figure in the most unlikely of individuals. It's such an incredible example of adaptations done right. "Now you listen to me, James Hawkins. You got the makings of greatness in you, but you got to take the helm and chart your own course. Stick to it, no matter the squalls! And when the time comes you get the chance to really test the cut of your sails, and show what you're made of....well, I hope I'm there catching some of the light coming off you that day!"
I love that the first part of the edit shows both good and bad movies, because the point isn't "animated movies nowadays are so bad", but "we went from outstanding, artistic traditionally animated movies to just doing anything in CGI"
It’s been a while since I’ve seen these animations but holy shit these animators were in their prime back in the day. Wish animation would make a comeback for all movie studios.
You can like both. I remember watching lion king multiple times a day as a child but that definitely doesn't stop me from appreciating new Disney movies. Soul and Coco are good and I watched Turing red yesterday and it's not nearly as bad as they say. Not gonna lie though I miss 2d Disney and anime is still superior.
Treasure planet was actually made with both 2D and 3D animation, which is why ot took so long to make. But I think the style was really cool and Treasure Planet remains in my top 5 favorite Disney Movies💕
There is something about Prince of Egypt that they captured so right with the movie. Regardless of your take on Religion in general, the movie hits you with history, not religion. It’s one of the few movies that made me sit back and think about it.
This, even though it's about the book of Exodus it's still a movie for everyone. There are hardline atheists and agnostics that still adore it for the story and sheer brilliance of the animation.
Except that the pyramids and such weren't built by slaves, rather by skilled craftsmen. A great movie though, in it's telling of the religious version.
People get caught up in thinking 3d is the “next step” in animation above 2d, thus rendering the older form an obsolete relic. In actuality, they are both valid art forms, it’s just 3d is easier to sell.
It is amazing how little we all appreciated this stuff as children... it is only when we grow old and realise this was as good as it gets and we will never see it again that it starts to hurt.
Crazy how some of these films aren’t even from Disney and yet people in the comments bundle it under disney… really shows how much of a grip Disney has on people.
Some of these are a mix of 2d and 3D and that’s what made some of these movies great I wish they would’ve kept mixing the 2 arts instead of going full 3d
A lot of people don’t know that 3D animation take less time to make then 2D animation that’s why nowadays we are seeing 3-D animation movies and 2D animated shows and short films
😢 Ох, как же олдскуллы свело... Всё мои любимые шедевры старой анимации показали... А ведь у меня все они хранятся на DVD. Внукам ещё покажу и обязательно расскажу :"Вот это - шедевры. Это то, чем можно гордиться. Это то, что можно смотреть всегда. Это могут посмотреть все... И это прекрасно."
I noticed you neglected "The Hunchback of Notre Dame". understandable since that movie albeit smoothly weaved still lacks a little in visual theatrics. But the story, characters, music... it's hard to find any complaints regarding it. adding how the scene of Frollo's "Epiphany" is so electric and invigorating. and it's animation isn't half bad.
Its one of the most beautifully animated pieces Disney has. The expression work on the characters is some of the best in animation ever. The look on Frollo's face as he wring that scarf is chilling and saddening. The look in his eyes just screams of max tension before a mental break. The look in the eyes of drawn character conveyed that!
I do truly miss the hand drawn smooth artistic animations that classic western animation used to produce. I love anime and love 3d animation but seeing the way everything used to flow… there aren’t very many animated films or shows that hit those marks. And even in those few there’s even fewer that do it constantly throughout the runtime.
Those hand painted backgrounds from the older Disney movies (pre renaissance) are some of the most gorgeous pieces of art I’ve seen and I will not be compromising on that
Quick recommendation from me: watch Paprika! This movie truly shows what Japan can do with it's animation, it's a little confusing but the animation is just stunning.
Whys is there alot of people all of a sudden ? 🗿
Because this is awesome ‼️
That’s how the RUclips IA works
blessed by the algorithm
2D Touched something within us that 3D cannot reach- the nostalgia and demand for a revitalization of art is accumulating.
when the algorithm hits it hits, my brother in christ
Prince of Egypt truly was a masterpiece of animation. Stunning in everyway.
But not a Disney movie
@@nel9826 That's fine. the title of the video is "Western Animation" not just Disney.
I'm not Christian and even an anti-theist i think religion does more harm than good... And even I fully 100% agree that Prince of Egypt is a fucking masterpiece. I only say that because I've heard people say "people only praise it because it's Christian propaganda" but I just fully disagree. Regardless of faith it's an excellent film.
do not type that on PH
I think I’m gonna go re watch prince of Egypt the nostalgia that movie was my child hood.
I miss when Disney used both 2D and CGI.
The Prince of Egypt is one of the best examples on how beautiful 2D and CGI mixed can be
@@JetstreamSam343 And Treasure Planet. The character Silver is both 2D and CGI.
Some asshole CEO:"bUt iT's tOo ExPenCiVe!"
this is actually one of the best animation methods because 3d objects in animation are typically lacking "life"so its used for inanimate objects while the 2d has "life" and moves around more.
ruclips.net/video/DCgNOP7onWw/видео.html
I’m not against 3D and I think it can be used to great effect but classic 2d animation touches the human soul in a truly unique way. (Both are amazing, but offer unique vibes)
Iron Giant
Lemme be the one to say 3d animation is trash compared to 2d animation
And yes 2d Animation is a unique experience
The 90s and early 2000s were the renaissance of animation
@Raspian Kiado yeah it seems they chosen quantity over quality
Fantasia 2000 was one of the most incredible, visceral experiences of my childhood. I'll never forget the firebird and the sheer terror that it invoked.
0:43 best scene in animation history
Absolutely.
But the thing is,it did happen in real life 💀
I loved both Treasure planet and Atlantis: The old world. They are absolutely amazing pieces and still love them to this day
Treasure Planet will always hold a very special place in my heart
Is that like the alternate title to lost empire?
If so sounds equally cool
I LOVE ATLANTIS SO MUCH IT IS SO UNDERRATED
@@tabitha8232 in what way is It underrated nowadays it’s only talked about cause it was underrated when it came out
Ok
Old disney movies experimented with different styles now most of the characters look like they are from the same movie
Ironically, walt disney created CalArts to make the worlds art better. now it's homogenized art
With woke element
They are just wax figures with rtx on nowadays.
There is no real effort, no soul in The animation. Feels very boring.
Which means the market is ripe for something new. That's how trends blow up out of nowhere. Here's to hoping.
@@brok56 As an 3D/animation artist, i can honestly say to you no, there is real effort you have to make, it's not all assisted.
The Hunchback of Notre Dame, Lion King, Aladdin, and many others are some of the best pieces of 2D animation
I agree
And prince of Egypt
I agree
Avatar the last airbender
@@Jermrants💀💀💀
Say what you want about anime, but I’m glad that Japan has taken over 2D animation to still offer us stunning stories even in 2022. Without them and the abandon of 2D animation by western studios we would really be in a little dark age…
It really is nice that Japan is holding the fort, but I still wish we continued making amazing animation in the west as well.
And nobody’s complaining . Everyone is perfectly fine with 2d animation . However we lost arguably the greatest animation movement in history. Thank god at least we have anime
Maybe because 3d anime is for games or models only?
If we can only do something about the pedophilic undertones in anime
Anime is the only form of media that is not run over by woke messages. Probably why it's gaining popularity and is still good.
"Forgetting who you are, for what you stand to gain."
Really sums up western everything nowadays.
Its "forgiving"
2D = Live paintings
3D = Living plastic dolls.
It's funny, it's not like the modern animation they show is poorly made. Like, the fur looks amazing etc. It's that they're poorly designed and soulless compared to early animated styles
@@riskybiscuits688 truly truth
The 3D one has no emotion put by the animators except the toy story 1-3
I appreciate 2D more
The only outlier is Rango
There's something that's almost mythic about it. It's like capturing the imagination of someone who's telling the story to a group of people.
It's not wrong considering that many children will not know Disney's amazing old 2D animation movies and many parents will show them , The feeling they will feel when showing all those works of art to their children will be practically this
I think it's due to a few factors: exaggeration, symbolism, and emotional vibrancy. A lot of these movies weren't just depicting reality, they were depicting a hyper-real version of it, using simple symbolic characters with just enough detail to get their point across, and no more. There was an economic nature to it. Like you said, a person telling a story to a group. They don't ramble, they get to the point, and they make a big show of things. That simplicity mixed with that exaggeration, it makes things feel real even if they aren't. It touches the heart.
I spotted Brother Bear! What a beautiful and very underapreciated movie with a deep message as well. My mom banned me from watching this movie as a kid because it made very emotional and I always cried 😂
I wish he showed more of Brother Bear. That movie has such a beautiful Orange color Pallet. And is unique for being in more than one Aspect ratio.
@@JoJo-zd5tm The lights scene with the animal spirits was perhaps some most beautiful animation i've ever seen.
@@hughmungus2059 EXACTLY BRO . 😤🤝 That scene always had me mesmerized as a kid. Ima go rewatch that scene now 😄
@@JoJo-zd5tm Happy viewing friend :)
@@JoJo-zd5tm i forgot . I could've use more clips of that movie 🥺
The fire bird segment in fantasia 2000 definitely is my favorite art piece Disney has ever made 💖
Mulan is such an underrated movie for just its visuals alone. reflection is one of the best musical animations I've ever had the pleasure of seeing
Animation technology is better than ever.
Great western story tellers, however, don't get hired, creative freedom, or publicity.
I bet because of this oppresive culture in the west for mass media. Many great movies and ideas will be made by Eastern Animation more and more as its a much freer market (when it comes to ideas, concepts and stories).
@@tramachi7027 I reckon a big part of it is due to feminism shoe horning their politics into every part of media, so writers have to conform to make generic story and generic visuals. Like you said, ideas, concept and stories are very restricted.
@@Yorikoification No it’s just marketing. Corporations love playing it safe and creating stories that are guaranteed to maximize profits, not meaningful art. If anything, feminism oftentimes encourages amazing art, it’s just that corporations don’t understand what they’re dealing with and only understand it on a surface level, making shit grating in a way that’s often hard to define. Blame the companies, not the people.
@@Salthat give an example of feminism encouraging amazing art?
I feel pity for the idiots ITT who try to turn this subject into a political debate because "[ideology] bad!!"
Nobody cares; discuss the topic _at hand._
0:47 best scene for every antagonist
0:56 Legendary scene of how a evil antagonist turns everything into hell and fire and constant lava and smoke 10/10 great scene for an old hand drawn paper
what movie was that?
Kinda looks like Rodan
@@victorpitta8773 if I’m very sure
@@victorpitta8773 I think it’s.....u gonna have to search up Disney 100 (something like that)
@@victorpitta8773 it's the final episode from Fantasia 2000
I love how Dynamic and grandiose 2D movies were, they always have a couple shots that were amazingly beautiful
God, so many great shots in this video. The Fantasia sequence, Prince of Egypt, everything about this vid is golden.
Ironic considering your pfp is from one of the best modern 2D animated shows of our generation
@@mechanicpluto2430 that’s right
A couple months ago, I commented on post on Instagram about the decline of animation that had Prince of Egypt scenes in it. I stated that this movie was criminally underrated. A few weeks later, someone commented and said he watched this movie because of my comment and it was now his favorite movie of all time and he wanted to thank me for my comment. Got to be one of the coolest moments of my life. Thank you for posting this and continuing to spread positivity through film!
2d/3d combined still has so much potential. You can still see it being used extensively in modern Japanese animation. I think Disney and Dream Works had the right idea with it in the mid 90s-early 2000s still. Treasure Planet, Prince of Egypt & Tarzan being prime examples in this video specifically, imo.
Attack on Titan being an awesome example
Is the presence of 2d/3d in Japanese animation really a good thing? I was always of the impression that the presence of 3d, at all, in a predominantly 2d Japanese animated work is simply to cut costs and save time. (This is of course, excluding Japanese animated works that are entirely 3D e.g. Berserk and Blame!)
I think some art is created with restrictions and that those restrictions can serve the art but I've always been of the opinion that 3d elements in 2d Japanese animated works were always something tolerated, never accepted. A "necessary evil," if you will. Do you really believe Japanese animators would still combine 2D and 3D, even if they had unlimited resources?
@@lemonprime7889 I honestly do think they would. But due to the pressure of that market and the high constraints being placed on animators I wouldnt think they do. Perhaps wester animation as seen with Marvel's Into the spiderverse. But generally I do think they would. Just by looking at what they could do in attack on titan ruclips.net/video/CeLvx_1FBdk/видео.html
It generally makes things more immersive and breathtaking than they would if they animated it normally. It adds depth.
@@voli293 What I love about Into the spiderverse its that there its actually different forms of animation in just one scene, by example the forest scape with Peter and Miles even moving on diferent speed or frames on the same scene, on the other side I see the pressure between time and production on anime, by example Overlord last season, or another seasonal animes with the need of represent army battles or many action in the background, also I couldn enjoy Batman Ninja, or Godzilla: Planet of the Monsters, that kind of animation its not really for me, I now its Netflix but after all its anime.
Arcane is a mix of 2d and 3d, and is one of the most visually stunning works I've ever seen.
Atlantis was by far the best animation wise, it was and still is just absolutely beautiful
Nothing against 3D animations, but that's no reason to abandon 2D beauty altogether!
3D animation would be fine if we actually got some unique artstyle and not the same looking faces for years now...
So god bless Spiderverse and Arcane.
@@thechugg4372idk if it’s western off the top of my head but castlevania is wonderful and there are a couple other great shows that are 2D coming out
@@thechugg4372 you sound like my roomate who spews everything that mainstream critics tell him to think, why don't you like something original? people act like arcane and spiderverse are god teir animations because of post processing effects and default engine settings, when really it doesn't express anything but color and garbage themes that've been written to cliche and they made me feel nothing, but tell me what corrodore crew told you...
i've heard people claim it was because the 2D animators unionised against the "crunch" conditions disney expected of them, so in response disney just shifted to the 3D animators who were ununionised due to being a fairly new technology at the time.
@@EaterGreenthe animators behind spider face has to touch up and draw over every frame of that movie which made it take like a million years to come out
You just sound extremely ignorant of the technical wizardry at hand lol
There's something soulful about Classic 2D Animation that is hard to express
I think it's because 3d animation limits itself by looking more like the real world.
2d animation can do whatever it likes in the most magical ways
@@Wanderlight17 yet realistic looking 2d animations are often best. i shit u not vinland saga alone is better than any western animation.
@@QWERTY-gp8fd i wouldn't really agree with that to be honest
@@Wanderlight17 yea sure bring me something protagonist good as thorfinn. western animation is full of childish stuff.
never seen a cartoon where child soldier grew up to be pacifist.
dude literally went mercenary "war is the only thing that’s ever truly mattered to me" to farmer saying "i have no enemies. I need to grow more wheat than I trampled underfoot."
@@QWERTY-gp8fd judging by your tone, whatever answer i'll give, you won't believe me.
If you genuinely believe western animation is just childish stuff, you simply have a lot to learn, that's all i'll say.
I don't know what the Vinland Saga is, but your description sounds like a pretty average "quest for peace" story to be honest.
By all means enjoy it, but don't act like it's somehow unique.
Don't act like western animation is bad if you've only scratched the surface
Treasure planet is, to this day, still my favorite animation of ALL TIME.
I really do yearn for the hand-sculpted western animations from the 90s. There’s something that is so awe-inspiring and amazing about it.
we are seeing small bits of resurgence in films like klaus and shows like Primal, where unique artstyles > 3d, though those are still in the miniority.
Primal kicks friggin ass, wouldn't expect anything less from the creator of Samurai Jack and Star Wars: The Clone Wars 2003
I also think they did an amazing job on the Invader Zim movie. They did so well keeping the vibes true to the old series whilst introducing us to new visual and refreshing elements. I liked how gritty and blocky the old style was and I won’t lie, the new cuter style had me a little surprised at first but I think they really made it work! I’m still on the fence about the Hey Arnold! film as the plot was a little whacky and out of touch compared to the show (imo), but once again it was still visually very pleasing to watch and it really did feel like the characters had returned.
I really do hope they do more of these and come back to these classic cartoons, particularly old Nickelodeon and Cartoon Network ones :)
@@southchild_ i fricking love that movie
loved the fact you put in treasure plannet, what a hidden gem that movie is
That Prince of Egypt part when Moses divided the red sea was truly chilling.
why does this feel like my childhood is dying. these movies and the medium of animation inspired me to pursue art as a kid, so without them i would have next to nothing . . oh dear
I'm sure this is what every generation feels like when something changes
@@lick816honestly I'm expecting the 2010's to be super nostalgic for a lot of people because of how interesting animated projects got
I just realized that you can literally use every frame of the film back then as a wall paper for how beautiful it is
It will take generations to have works as fantastic as those shown in the video.
Yeah those were made after hand animated cartoons were all ready 30-70 years old. CGI is in its third decade of widespread use so we're just coming up on the equivalent of Cinderella or snow white someday soon.
@@qwopiretyu We should've stuck with 2D and continued to improve it
no 🐎
@@qwopiretyu the perfect 3D animated movie already exist , it's Rango .
except that the perferct 3D animated film is just stop motion or puppetry with sfx .
@@oceanman6915 true Rango is indeed slappin'. Shrek 2 is a strong candidate for second place
Despite 2D animation being a lot more difficult and time consuming it shows, not to mention how much more life and uniqueness it brings. Part in why some anime today just fills that whole western media just dumped and left
Anime has partly filled that hole, but you shouldn't sleep on TV animation. ATLA, gravity falls, infinity train, 2D animation isn't dead in the west, its just moved.
As they say, it takes hard work and effort in creating masterpieces. Every masterpiece had to endure suffering and pain behind it.
Honestly, 2D isn't even that much more difficult or time consuming. For example look at all the 2D cartoons & handmade videos that artists put out on Instagram or RUclips. Modern technology makes 2D super easy to work with. The reason 2D was abandoned was becuade Disney wanted to cut out unions, and 2D animators were unionized, 3D animators weren't.
ARCANE AND ATSV ! Finally we back to good animation
Lmao no 3D is way harder
As an 2D animator student, i appreciated this video
I gotta say, I think Treasure Planet is one of the greatest animated films of all time. It’s nearly perfect in my opinion, considering animation and writing (even though it’s a rendition of treasure island) It’s gotta be my favorite animated movie ever.
The opening of Tarzan with the burning ship is INSANE. And Iron Giant fighting the military, especially with the nuke. Man I miss these movies. The only thing that has impressed me recently was Arcane and the Clone Wars, even if they were 3D. (Though the 2003 2D Clone Wars is awesome.)
YES, 2003 Clone Wars is top tier!
@@LordVader1094 hahaha yeah it's a shame it's not in this video. Captain Fordo and General Grievous were the best in it for sure. They made a terrifying Grievous...
@@thirsty7281 Read this as Captain Frodo...
@@ano_nym Must have had a career change hahaha
Arcane is 2D mate
CGI can do amazing things now. I threw in the towel long ago arguing that traditional methods- hand drawing, puppets, stop motion, makeup, etc.- look better and more 'real' or 'alive.' I've been taken aback by how good the best of CGI can accomplish. However, that being said, I've never been emotionally struck, choked up by the sheer beauty of a moment from a CGI film the way I have with hand drawn. Fantasia. Sleeping Beauty. They'll never, ever be topped. They're America's Sistine Chapel. The pinnacle of our artistic achievement.
I will always maintain that the greatest animated movie ever made is into the spider verse and it was 3-D
@@egekazkayas8968 Spider-verse the goat
@@egekazkayas8968 Into the Spiderverse is amazing, but I don't think it's timeless in the sense something like Fantasia is and as such could never be up there among the greatest.
@@egekazkayas8968 they still hybridized 2D into spidervese though. so they didn’t abandon that completely many of the comic book style key frames were hand animated and they overlay hand dawn 2D animation on the character models
@@egekazkayas8968 except that it wasn't 100% CG like most of the movies put out by Disney these last years, that's why the animation was able to shine so much. It had a hybrid element and style that just weren't being accomplished by others
I appreciate both art styles and the stories they tell 3D and 2D are both valid art styles and can be used well to bring characters to life
Let's all be grateful we grew up with old Disney, I may be only 21 years old but i remember having some of the movies on VHS that i used to rewatch over and over again, good times :D
this is the best editing i have ever seen from a youtube edit. astounding.
the old animations are pure art
There’s nothing quite like how old 2D animation feels like your watching a painting move. It’s a type of art that can’t be captured in 3D style
This video made me appreciate how stunning Sleeping Beauty's visuals are
I'm still convinced Prince of Egypt and Joseph: King of Dreams are pinnacles of 2D animation. Just gorgeous attention to detail in every frame.
seeing the treasure planet in this makes me so happy, that's literally my favorite Disney movie
2D animation truly hits different
I get that 3d makes it easier to produce but too often does it detract from that fantastical beauty of the old 2d style.
0:56 Ohhh my!!
Do you know what the movie is?
I fall in love
It's a short film from Fantasia (2000) "firebird" I belive
Fantasia, 2000 and it along with it's 1940 predecessor, fantasia; are the two best Disney movies by far in my humble opinion.
oh my god, this is absolutely breath taking. I miss when disney used to do these types of films 😭👏
We unironically need a new Bible movie. That shit was so fire
I love how Atlantis: The Lost Empire and The Prince of Egypt are getting their due.
We'll sadly never see such a beautiful climax in 2D animation on the western front again. I'm only 17, but I love art, and this? THIS was art.
Man. I remember most of these but a few of these really stood out. I mean I had fucking goosebumps at the end dude. Wow.
I grew up on most of these movies. Honestly I think it's why I became so obssessed with animation in general. When you end up watching stuff like fantasia at a young age I feel that primes your brain to be the type that cares more about the art value of something than whether it be easy to watch.
I know that companies aren't at all what they used to be. But I miss when all this monolithic energy used to be used on things of substance. I would rather a world where passion projects like the black cauldron are allowed to see the light of day despite flopping. It's such a megalithic company that you would think they could tank the losses so that the truly creative people can make their projects.
Treasure Planet is my all time favorite, taking a contemporary story and adding all the strengths of sc fi elements with none of the weaknesses and still retaining it's original vibe of a swashbuckling adventure into the unkown. Not to mention the classic tale of a wild son finding a fatherly figure in the most unlikely of individuals. It's such an incredible example of adaptations done right.
"Now you listen to me, James Hawkins. You got the makings of greatness in you, but you got to take the helm and chart your own course. Stick to it, no matter the squalls! And when the time comes you get the chance to really test the cut of your sails, and show what you're made of....well, I hope I'm there catching some of the light coming off you that day!"
Prince of Egypt will always stick out as one of the best animated movies ever, in both visuals and music
Old disney animation is a masterpiece
feels a little unfair grouping encanto and luca with norm of the north im gonna be honest
one is a masterpiece, the others are luca and encanto
Never saw norm of the north. would you recommend it to a fellow stranger?
It’s less to do with the actual story and more about the animation styles.
@@tremendousyeet3467 no
@@oldbirbman 😂 wouldn’t recommend it to my worst enemy.
@@ProfTricky3168 I cant believe you're comparing Encanto with fucking norm of the north...
This is so good, you deserve way more recognition for this.
FINALLY one of these compilations uses brother bear. Mad respect for that
I love that the first part of the edit shows both good and bad movies, because the point isn't "animated movies nowadays are so bad", but "we went from outstanding, artistic traditionally animated movies to just doing anything in CGI"
Ikr I get where its coming from but Wreck it Ralph is a good movie imo.
Fantasia has always been one of my absolute favourite animated works. Glad that's what I grew up on.
It’s been a while since I’ve seen these animations but holy shit these animators were in their prime back in the day. Wish animation would make a comeback for all movie studios.
You can like both. I remember watching lion king multiple times a day as a child but that definitely doesn't stop me from appreciating new Disney movies. Soul and Coco are good and I watched Turing red yesterday and it's not nearly as bad as they say. Not gonna lie though I miss 2d Disney and anime is still superior.
yes they're really good movies, but what ppl don't like about them its the graphic aspect, how these 3 have almost the exact same visuals
@Milky O's i haven'n seen it, i was talking about visuals
@Milky O's because,the mom is from china...that's why she's so estrict
@Milky O's It was pretty good it didn’t deserve to be put right next to the emoji movie. Also I don’t think you’ve ever met an Asian mother.
@Milky O's Director based the mom on her actual mom and many Asian kids have a parent/parents like that
everybody laughing until my boy Moses drops ten fuckin plagues and parts the sea
Treasure planet was actually made with both 2D and 3D animation, which is why ot took so long to make. But I think the style was really cool and Treasure Planet remains in my top 5 favorite Disney Movies💕
There is something about Prince of Egypt that they captured so right with the movie. Regardless of your take on Religion in general, the movie hits you with history, not religion. It’s one of the few movies that made me sit back and think about it.
This, even though it's about the book of Exodus it's still a movie for everyone. There are hardline atheists and agnostics that still adore it for the story and sheer brilliance of the animation.
Except that the pyramids and such weren't built by slaves, rather by skilled craftsmen.
A great movie though, in it's telling of the religious version.
Ok now, this one did give me goosebumps
AMAZING VIDEO!!!! We truly lived in the age of animation masterpieces !
The clips from Fantasia 2000 were so well put. That is an experience
People get caught up in thinking 3d is the “next step” in animation above 2d, thus rendering the older form an obsolete relic. In actuality, they are both valid art forms, it’s just 3d is easier to sell.
It is amazing how little we all appreciated this stuff as children... it is only when we grow old and realise this was as good as it gets and we will never see it again that it starts to hurt.
Crazy how some of these films aren’t even from Disney and yet people in the comments bundle it under disney… really shows how much of a grip Disney has on people.
Bro mad respect for throwing the parting of the sea in. That scene always gave me goosebumps as a kid, I’m 25 now…still does
I'm glad people still regard Atlantis: the lost empire as a masterpiece, a title it deserves as it's one of the best animated action movies ever
Some of these are a mix of 2d and 3D and that’s what made some of these movies great I wish they would’ve kept mixing the 2 arts instead of going full 3d
A lot of people don’t know that 3D animation take less time to make then 2D animation that’s why nowadays we are seeing 3-D animation movies and 2D animated shows and short films
To my western animation lovers, give Klaus and Arcane a watch.
Spider verse
Netflix's Castlevania. (First 2 seasons)
Rango, gotta give my lizard boy some love
Don´t forget Love,Death & Robots and basically everything Alberto Mielgo works in
Arcane is 2D?
Thank you for this.
Splitting the ocean in prince of Egypt is one of the most beautiful things I’ve ever seen
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Ох, как же олдскуллы свело...
Всё мои любимые шедевры старой анимации показали... А ведь у меня все они хранятся на DVD.
Внукам ещё покажу и обязательно расскажу :"Вот это - шедевры. Это то, чем можно гордиться. Это то, что можно смотреть всегда. Это могут посмотреть все... И это прекрасно."
0:15 bro really plugged in a mostly cgi clip
Yeah but treasure planet was an exception because it used CGI to enhance the 2D
bro really trying to dis treasure planet
I noticed you neglected "The Hunchback of Notre Dame". understandable since that movie albeit smoothly weaved still lacks a little in visual theatrics.
But the story, characters, music... it's hard to find any complaints regarding it. adding how the scene of Frollo's "Epiphany" is so electric and invigorating. and it's animation isn't half bad.
Im sowwy i just forgo about the movie 🥺
@PowerNO Grief yea sure buddy 👌. love you too ❤️
Its one of the most beautifully animated pieces Disney has. The expression work on the characters is some of the best in animation ever. The look on Frollo's face as he wring that scarf is chilling and saddening. The look in his eyes just screams of max tension before a mental break. The look in the eyes of drawn character conveyed that!
*LIKE FIRE*
@@uncledoctor6920 *HELLFIRE*
Dude... 2D animation is breathtaking. 3D and CGI has its moments. But damn, nothing beats pencil and paper, it's timeless.
Sees Luca: "Hey it wasnt that bad...."
Sees Clips of Atlantis: "i see your point"
This gave me chills
One of the biggest problems with the modern world is greed. Hollywood is one of the most guilty of this biblical sin.
The real Animation cinema ❤
This is the best litte dark age edit I've seen and I 100% agree on the message too
I love that Firebird animation in Fantasia 2000.
0:40 I got goosebumps holy shit
pd: 2d animation is just so gorgeous man...
I do truly miss the hand drawn smooth artistic animations that classic western animation used to produce. I love anime and love 3d animation but seeing the way everything used to flow… there aren’t very many animated films or shows that hit those marks. And even in those few there’s even fewer that do it constantly throughout the runtime.
I will never discredit the absolutely stunning work that Pixar/Disney animators do with their 3D work
Found the Disney/Pixar plant
@Portal Rifter no
Those hand painted backgrounds from the older Disney movies (pre renaissance) are some of the most gorgeous pieces of art I’ve seen and I will not be compromising on that
Disney Cartoons were legendary and some are bound yo make you cry or touch your heart.
ngl the 2D animations had more power in them and were just better in every aspect but the 3D ain't really bad tbh
They werent bad tbh im just nostalgic is all 😢
"Ain't bad" isn't good enough
@@LordVader1094 may I introduce to you to Arcane, Demon Slayer S2?
3D or 2D, its up to you, but the writing and art is all and yes it was better before
Quick recommendation from me: watch Paprika! This movie truly shows what Japan can do with it's animation, it's a little confusing but the animation is just stunning.
My childhood was during the golden age of disney and I'm so thankful for it
I am so emotional now,looking back at my childhood.