Every car enthusiast screams for an affordable sports car that can also be somewhat practical that has good handling and decent power. We finally get one and everyone complains.
@@Maxaker they where available in europe. I bought one last week (taking delivery next week!) And it has the 2.0 turbo, only 160 km on it! I live in Belgium btw, there's another one for sale for €40k, with only 100km on it!
@@zmc6774 you havent seen the videos on the truck channel? there is quite a few reps that look like they hate their life, most of what i remember are the chevy guys at both the reveal and recently at an offroad one
I honestly think its all the space on the facia that makes it look so awkward...with the older models '16 to '18 the lower grill took up most of that space, making the car look more menacing than previous years...this new refresh looks like it could have been a little brother to the '16 - '18 models
The 2016-2018 camaro looked good, but this... this is just terrible, I like the rear lights and the front in the 1le package. You know what I'm calling it, camaro is gonna go out of production again for another decade.
It’s amazing how many people get upset with every refresh only for it to grow on them a couple months from now when it’s the norm... designers have their job for a reason!
Yeah this thing looks like it'll grow on people all right grow like a yeast infection. Jesus christ why did they screw up the gen 6 front end so much. It looked fine as it was and they went and mustang'd the shit out of it trying to "modernize" it
I totally don't mind this at all. I've never been a super camaro "fan" or "follower" but I've really liked some model years and always appreciated the car. This model is pretty cool, and I'd seriously consider it as a replacement for my car if it got smashed and I was looking for a 30k car. (09 supercharged civic si) I would pay the extra 10k over what my car cost for rwd.
I’ve always been a v8 guy starting in my teens in the 80’s. After gaining much respect for the turbo Buick I think Chevy did great by adding this as an engine option. Whats even better is the performance parts they have thrown at the overall vehicle. Can’t wait to add one of the these to my collection.
Nobody should be butt hurt. The V8 is still available. Without Camaro I4 turbo & Mustang I4 turbo young and frugal people would only have Toyota 86/Subaru BRZ. Which is too small and not turbo’ed but still around same price.
4 cylinder turbocharged engines are normal nowadays, they are good on gas and have decent amount of power. As far as looks it all comes down to personal preference.
The 4cyl is a $600 reflash away from matching the V6 power, and a $1700 "stage" kit away from nearly matching the SS V8. Not bad potential at all for a base model.
Stock turbos break. I’m happy with my 2019 Camaro SS. It’s a beast. I got it brand new at 7 grand more then the base turbo Camaro. Although what appeals to me about the turbo LE. Is the ability to rev it out. That’s it.
The lighter weight and sticky compound tires make the difference on tighter tracks. Ability to carry more speed on turn in, at the apex, and corner exit makes up for the loss in HP. It really is just that simple. I am admittedly not a huge fan of GM products but I could see myself buying one of these if I had the money and didn't need a larger car or truck.
Lol...yeah I was around when the hard to get (more expensive than a loaded GT) SVO and the forget about it unless you pre ordered (more expensive than a Buick GNX) GNX/GTA Trans Am were built and you did not see the words entry level performance car use nor were those two cars marketed to the kid flipping burgers down the street.
Yeah but the cheap ones usually sucked and were for middle aged people who wanted a car that looked fast in the parking lot at work. This thing is actually designed to be fast.
if I were to get a camaro, this would be the one I'd get. partial because its the closest thing to one I could afford, but also because it's the best version for enjoying that wonderfully done chassis.
Some ppl are forgetting that some of us live in the real world & truth is there's a lot of young ppl who love the Camaro v8 but they can't afford it! So Chevy was actually smart enough to create a vehicle that'll let then have a similar experience like the big boys but on a budget! Great idea & execution on their part! Not a bad package either!
Thank you TFL and Nathan for taking the time to review this car when most other RUclips automotive channels chose to ignore it. Those that have driven GM Alpha-platform cars know that Alpha sets the standard for balanced, precise and predictable handling. Quick steering, strong brakes with good feel and expertly tuned dampers provide a rewarding driving experience. The 2.0L engine is not as strong as the Mustang’s 2.3L, but it has much less lag. Having driven a Cadillac CTS with this engine, I am confident that the power and torque available can easily create conditions that likely exceed the skill levels of most drivers. In other words, it’s a lot of fun. No doubt the larger engines are more exciting, but as Nathan suggested, this is a lot of performance in a quality package for a reasonable price,
this might surprise you...most people dont drive over 100, some dont want to die, others want to keep their drivers license...personally i hate giving cops money so i dont even speed
Yep... recently installed a Spec stage 1 clutch and aluminum flywheel plus FBO and tuned in my 17 Camaro I4 turbo...I thank Chevy for making this car. I also have a 17 Camaro SS....but the 4 banger is the better driver's car for sure.
I bought a camaro 2.0 and have been driving it for 6 months. I slightly have mixed feelings with it because the reputation of the Camaro should always have a v8. The positive side is that I get to daily drive it everyday, not worry about the costs of maintenance, gas mileage and monthly payments. Also my mindset was to keep it as long as I can and not worry about spending much as it gets old. Don’t worry guys, if you like gas mileage and a Camaro, get this. If you’re concerned more on performance, get the SS or SS 1LE and ZL1. I’m just hoping people will stop the hate on the 2.0 and v6 coz we still represent one car brand and model, a chevy Camaro 😉
I had a rental Camaro last year with the 2018 4-cylinder turbo engine. I was pleasantly surprised by it's performance (both engine and chassis) even though it did sound like a vacuum cleaner. As a substitute for a V8 I doubt that it will satisfy. But being a Porsche guy (and a life-long Chevy disdainer) I see it more of a successor to the 944 turbo concept. I could picture a lot of people with slightly more modest budgets finding an enjoyable and fun to drive car. If you show up for a track-day or auto-cross, you won't be embarrassed, but will still get ~30 MPG on the drive home.
When I use to sell Chevrolets, we had a few 2.0L Turbos on the lot and one was a blue convertible, it was so quick light and fun. Yes it doesn't have the noise and grumble of the V8 (it is not a sports car unless it has one is what most people say), but for every day driving, it is nimble on the backroads and has good acceleration off the line as well especially since it is lighter. I am not a audiophyle so that lack of V8 grumble doesn't bother me. I wouldn't mind having one of the 2.0L 4s in a convertible. I can't drive a stick, but for those that can and want a bigger car than the Mazda Miata (like Roman) and cost about the same this 1LE pack on the 2.0T would fit the bill. Nice "Quick" review Nathan, thanks for taking us along and do like that Orange color like you do. :)
Having just purchased the 18 I4t it is much faster than it feels. The handling is off the charts...you just can break it. Now the tools will never go for it. The sad part is they don't get choice...they think everyone has to be and think like them. What can you do they exist. Still I personally think the V6 is the best choice but boy the breaking and handling are amazing in this car.
Those are damn good numbers for a 4cyl turbo ... great video that touches on what the Camaro has become. It hasn’t been a muscle car in a long time & it’s not as pointless as the Camaro/ TransAm’s of the 90’s. It’s a bulky 2-door that barely seats 4, gets good gas mileage as you deliver pizzas under 30min
Wow! augmented sound, crappy look, 4 cylinder....can’t believe I’m saying this but very soon the Charger/challenger will be the last real American muscle car
Why are you acting like this 4 cylinder is the top of the like Camaro??? Must I remind you that the Camaro is the fastest and quickest muscle car to date.....and always has been
I kinda like the direction of how the big 3 American muscle/pony cars are turning out. Camaro (handling monster), challenger (overpowered old school muscle car), and mustang (sports couple). Also, competition brings better stuff to us.
This may seem random, but this made me think about this: Why hasn't Buick (GM) brought back a modern GN or T Type "retro styled" Regal coupe? It just feels like the time is right to do so.
The Chevy SS had a hard enough time selling and it has the more performance oriented badge. Imagine how bad a Grand National would sell considering Buick’s average buyer nowadays.
CAMARO_KYLE they are popular in China but still not so much in the US. They still sell to older people (the average buyer of a LaCrosse is 60! The AVERAGE) and middle class dads not interested in cars at all. My point was that a performance car coming out of Buick would appeal to a very tiny audience.
@@cutthroat795 That's because it's a 300. The name "Grand National" is legendary. The people that drooled over them as kids now have the means to buy a new one. Look how desirable a clean GN is these days, they've shot up in price and demand a ton the past 10 years.
It's powered by the 2.0T LTG. I have it in my equinox except it's 20hp less. I can't believe how heavy these SUVs are. I went to a 3.8 L Impala to the 2.0T and it still feels underpowered. My old 3.8 kicked butt, but then again the V6 was twice the size of the 2.0T. V8's, V6's and 4's NEVER feel the same. It's that old adage- bigger is always better.
I'd rather get a base v8 over this personally. The chassis and the engine are the best foundation. You can tweak tires and suspension later if you are worried about track duty.
From a current 1ss owner this thing appeals to me in a DD Autox mister of a car. I was at a cam challenge autocross and the gm autocross team with a slightly modded turbo 1LE kicker everyone’s butt! Don’t sleep in these cars V8 people.
They have to sell them with run flats, they don't come with a spare. Lots of cars don't have a spare now, all about that weight savings, because of CAFE requirements.
Honestly, I'm re-evaluating my view of this refreshed Camaro. It's honestly not that bad looking compared to the concept we've seen, it still looks muscular and powerful, but with a bit more sleekness and dignity. And as a Brit, I finally feel we have a Camaro that would feel at home on British roads.
For All 6th gen owners out there saying their 2016 Camaros looks better .. 6th gen don't look nice as well. Only the ZL1 or the ZL1 1LE looks somehow special. 5th gen Camaros looks awesome. Muscly, Mean, Big and Aggressive. But for sure the 6th gen is way more refined.
I think the 6th gen looks the best in imo, never liked the 5th gen camaro, except the 2014-2015 remodel. The mustang and challenger did the whole muscle/retro look better.
Kinda want one. It looks fun to drive. It actually looks pretty good too. Im a fan of the refresh. Its not as good as the early 6 but its still cool. And for the record the camaro always handled well.
There was a concept Auto X shown at Sema in 2016. 3 yrs behind is somewhat pushing it. MT tested Eco boost vs stock Camaro T on SS tires. Results had Eco 3yrs behind. Updated Mustang does have magnetic shocks as a option unlike 1LE. Hopefully both were tested at VIR this yr.
The looks are growing on me. And the LTG turbo four is a die hard powerplant. Why not do either a supercharged or twin charged V6? At least it would be above 300hp. But I like it. We DEFINITELY need a new, rear wheel drive Impala now, to match this.
Recife, Brasil, South America here, what a great car had a black camero 2ss and this is even better then a zl1 wow, today I have a bmw but can’t even compare...
6th gen don't look nice as well. Only the ZL1 or the ZL1 1LE looks somehow special. 5th gen Camaros looks awesome. Muscly, Mean, Big and Aggressive. But for sure the 6th gen is way more refined.
I like the looks, it looks different from when they first showed the refresh a while back. People whining about it now but will warm up to it later. With that said I'll pass on the 4cyl and take the V6, driven both and it's no comparison for smoothness and refinement!
Better than most 4 cylinder sports cars And you gotta understand this is perfect for a young guy getting into sport cars i rather see a young guy in this than a damn Miata or a BRZ
I don’t like a 4 cylinder camaro it’s just not right i would have to differ camaro should go back to the 350 Chevy V8 as the base engine NOT A V6 AND 4 banger
It's interesting.. but I just picked up a new 18 ss a few months ago for 37k. All I cared about was the LT1, magnetic ride control, active exhaust and either blue or black. Unless your tracking this car every weekend, a popping v8 is so much rewarding.
To you sure. I hated the 2010 mustang when I first seen it still hate it. Do not get me started about late 90s early 2000s cars to they made them all look like cheap trash sedans.
I have been a GM fan for a long time, and the 5th and 6th gen Camaros were fantastic... but holy crap they ruined the fascia of the 2019. 🤢 But the engineering? The chassis, power plant options, and so forth are very good. From a purely technical side, I’d do a V6 1LE. Enough power, sounds good, great balance, and the 1LE bits give it a genuine performance improvement on track and winding roads. If you’re on more of a budget, or just want something more practical for the daily commute, the turbo 4 is certainly nothing to sneeze at.
imo the 1LE package is a pure up sell on i4 and v6 models. Also since owning a 6th gen and going to meets and just being in that community, I've only ran into 2 people who track their camaros. An SS and ZL1 1LE. people dont get how expensive it is (if you do it right) to go do a track day.
What has been the biggest contributor to the Camaros performance 2016+? The handling... Where did they get such a good chassis and drop some weight along with it? Not by themselves, but from Cadillac.
Well you're in luck, because the Camaro (nor the Mustang or Challenger) were EVER muscle cars. They are all and only ever have been Pony cars. The only historically true muscle car still around today is the Charger.
I like the way it looks, no way there fooling me with that 4 banger turbo. It doesn't matter you will indeed regret not getting the V8 no matter the cost. Just buy a used one but do it right from the get go. People will say some people don't need as much power as the V8, lol because you haven't driven the V8 and just making excuses. I use to sell these cars and lost count how many times people regreted buying anything but the V8. Trying to bring it back the next day week or month trading it in, too late then and need a shit load down, lost too much value.
im_miata_mike Toyota not everyone wants a over powered v8 monster. As cool as a zr1 might be, under powered cars are more about technical driving and can actually be more fun to drive
Barack Smith - LMAO so you say "buy a real sports car" and then proceed to suggest two much worse handling cars? The 6th gen Camaro runs circles around the Mustang and Challenger when it comes to handling and performance. The 2.0T is a cheap base engine, just like the Duratec V6 offered in the S550 Mustang currently.
@@Minecraftizawsom Their stock value is a barometer for indicating the health of their business and so far it's quite accurate. Down 47% Since July 2014 and Hackett told investors things will get worse before they get better. It's going to cost over $10 billion to "turn the company around" and the plan includes ending production of all sedans and cutting costs of the mayerials in their products across the board. He wants to cut the number of configurations available for their vehicles (the biggest selling point of the F-150 is its configurability), and their only progress in pure electric vehicles is a concept rendering of the silhouette of a vehicle they were going to call the Mach 1 even though it is planned to be a crossover SUV not a sports car. They're losing money in Europe and in the Asian Pacific. Even FCA sold more cars than Ford last month. And despite selling nearly a million F-series trucks each year, the financial health of the company is so poor there are rumors they may have to end their special dividend. And the Ford fans on here are so blinded and ignorant, they seem to think GM is the one at risk of a bankruptcy.
I don't know about you. But if you are a fan of the Camaro the Chevrolet Camaro. I think what Chevrolet needs to do in my opinion. Is to make the Camaro more upscale and more luxury oriented. For the sophisticated buyer. With Burl Walnut trim. Polished aluminum wheels. Full plush leather. Heated rear view mirrors. Non turbo 4-cylinder engine and automatic. Redesigning to a Front wheel drive layout. A more domesticated personal luxury Coupe feel. With a polished aluminum band around the steering wheel. Included a part of leather luggage package by by Tiffany and Company. And leather and chrome accent pieces for a more elegant appearance.
Pretty sure it would whoop a bone stock ls1 at the track and strip. Nothing to be proud of I hate 4 bangers and I'm pretty sure with a tune only these can be taken upto 350 hp .
@@ruairiodonoghue9527 Which LT1 are we talking here ? If its fourth gen a bone stock LT1 won't be able to keep up , cams header yes it'll be close . But again it takes 10 mins to hook up a tuner and upload a tune to these new 2.0t and it will smoke that slightly warmed over lt1
The new design FITS the 4banger turbo and I Love it! Affordable and fun plus its own look....... I got a 2015 SS manual 6 speed, but I would love this 4 cyl. Turbo some day!!!!! Totally interesting, the happy medium, get the great 0 to 60 turbo , and for highway driving with no speed tickets, this is a great car
I have a 2023 2.0T and it’s so fun. I’m 16 so it’s y first car. Parents didn’t want me to have too much power so I said how about the 4 cylinder and they agreed. Mom doesn’t know that the stats are still crazy.😂
I like the way it looks, I really do. If you don't like it, that's your opinion, but please don't say that people are stupid or something insulting them personally just because they don't share your opinion
Chevy and Ford need to make those 4cyl sound good so it can fit the personality of the car. Older Toyotas and Subarus had deep sounding 4cyl that add character to the car they were in, so I know it can be done again with these newer cars.
More Nathan please
Sure thing and here you go: Nissan Titan Trials: You Won't Believe What We Found on the Trailruclips.net/video/m0-fiztDzeY/видео.html
He reminds me of John Candy in Cannonball Run.
Right he makes me want to be a car reviewer
Please no!!!
eh, I think a GTI could take it.
Every car enthusiast screams for an affordable sports car that can also be somewhat practical that has good handling and decent power. We finally get one and everyone complains.
Ron haha so true. I ain’t tho. I purchased
Ron , you’re right about.
If only it was in a hot hatch though. Could even put the ats awd drive train in it and make a wrx killer
I only complain that it's not sold in europe
@@Maxaker they where available in europe. I bought one last week (taking delivery next week!) And it has the 2.0 turbo, only 160 km on it! I live in Belgium btw, there's another one for sale for €40k, with only 100km on it!
Chevy should put this engine in a hot hatch - a spiritual successor to the cobalt SS.
Thank you lol
what would it compete with ? a focus st? the way GM's design's are going that would be a ugly looking hot hatch imo.
Have you seen the Spark and Sonic? Yuck.
Maybe a competitor for the focus RS on the Cruze platform. Seems to be a market for it
@@justin8758 I was going off current motor specs and they aren't even in comparison which is why I pointed to the ST .
atleast one of the chevy reps is a nice chill young dude that doesnt hate his job, life and everyone around him....
Alaude What? From what I’ve see chevy reps seem to love their job, I mean why wouldn’t you
@@zmc6774 you havent seen the videos on the truck channel? there is quite a few reps that look like they hate their life, most of what i remember are the chevy guys at both the reveal and recently at an offroad one
@@Velkanis Those are engineers. Thry usually aren't the most exiciting people, but they built and design the thing so they know best.
.. not yet!
They're in Colorado bro. He probably smoked a fat ass blunt on his break.
Mid 30k!!!! Why not just buy a decently used SS?! 😒
Get a used 2012 zl1 for that
Warranty, mpg, handling, tunability, and insurance.
@@mitchellsteindler 👍🏻
Not everyone wants a good ol V8 I guess 😢
@@mitchellsteindler if you are worried about all that then this is the wrong car, there are way better options out there for those requirements.
I would honestly like to give one a drive just to see how it is. Still a hardcore V8 lover, but I'd like to see what it can do.
the V8 now has a super ugly front end.
@RS1 hey cool. Thanks for the feedback. I think I'll try to drive one on Saturday.
It corners better then the ss
Michael Bacon we need more people like you 👏
love the v8 but that gas mileage will drive me bankrupt, I have a v6 camaro and it barely lasts me a week and a half.
A 4 cylinder engine in a muscle car is like porn without nudity. What's the point?
The thing is to trick people into thinking you have the slower car just add a bigger Turbo and you will have all the muscle you need
It's just looks on wheels
ChrisTheAspergerGuy male cheerleader
A 2017 nissan pathfinder has more hp than it the new Honda minivan has 302hp and this 275 wtf
It is no longer a muscle car it is a sports car.
this refresh just ruined the Camaro sales till the next gen. GG.
Ye that facia is disguisting....its looks so plane and weird comapred to the '18s
Donte' C. Couldn't have said it better myself
I honestly think its all the space on the facia that makes it look so awkward...with the older models '16 to '18 the lower grill took up most of that space, making the car look more menacing than previous years...this new refresh looks like it could have been a little brother to the '16 - '18 models
I hope so
@@dgotkix4609 they made grill look that becase the mustang has that grill
Whoever is behind the designs of the new models should be fired
John Mack
Jonathan Oubre on god
They just need to stop trying to make these vehicles look like bad bmw sketches the last model year was great for the silverado and the camaro
The 2016-2018 camaro looked good, but this... this is just terrible, I like the rear lights and the front in the 1le package. You know what I'm calling it, camaro is gonna go out of production again for another decade.
Jonathan Oubre 2017 & and 2018 models look a lot better. These look more like a Dodge Charger.
Lol I got a Ford ad on this video 😂
Ads you see are based on how you answer the questions "check which brands have you heard of" that pops up occasionally.
I got a Jeep ad before this video
I got Volkswagen 😂😂 “It’s not just a SUV, it’s a SUVW”
That’s just so ironic
I got a mini ad before this video
The tailights look like swimming goggles
Digital Car Addict 😂😂
You said that in the another video
Digital Car Addict saw your comment on the SS 🤦🏽♂️
I'd say they look more like anime eyes, especially when turned on!
Shut up you gaming nerd
The fact that it has "augmented sound" in the cabin tells you what they really think of their new engine.
It sounds good without it. It’s a pretty common feature nowadays with sports cars. That’s like saying Mcclarnon is not happy with the P1 engine
SS Camaro's have a sound tube going to the cabin...
@Peder Hansen I disagree. The only sound from the engine worthb hearing comes from the engine, under the hood, not some fart can cat back bull shit.
My ST has engine noise piped into the cabin. It doesn't bother me one bit, it helps me not look at my rpms
@@ThatDudeJunior does it sound good?
It’s amazing how many people get upset with every refresh only for it to grow on them a couple months from now when it’s the norm... designers have their job for a reason!
Yeah this thing looks like it'll grow on people all right grow like a yeast infection. Jesus christ why did they screw up the gen 6 front end so much. It looked fine as it was and they went and mustang'd the shit out of it trying to "modernize" it
Ur right somebody's daughter will be happy with this😏
That doesn’t make them right, just because they have a job.
I totally don't mind this at all. I've never been a super camaro "fan" or "follower" but I've really liked some model years and always appreciated the car. This model is pretty cool, and I'd seriously consider it as a replacement for my car if it got smashed and I was looking for a 30k car. (09 supercharged civic si) I would pay the extra 10k over what my car cost for rwd.
I never thought the V6/4Cyl looked bad, but the refresh SS is HORRIBLE.
Just not sure if I could move past that look... 😬
It'll grow with time
That's what everyone says and then they end up buying one down the road.
Same
I tell my girl that when I'm very drunk.
neverendingmods 🤦♂️😆
I’ve always been a v8 guy starting in my teens in the 80’s. After gaining much respect for the turbo Buick I think Chevy did great by adding this as an engine option. Whats even better is the performance parts they have thrown at the overall vehicle. Can’t wait to add one of the these to my collection.
Saw one of these today. Looks awesome in real life. Will def buy
All you people so buthurt over the 4 cylinder. Yet in reality it will destroy your 80s dream machine stock vs stock.
On the track for sure. On the strip... Not so sure. I suppose it is lighter. But even old V8 cars still produce 300-350hp.
Yeah they will. My 86 Iroc was a real hoot when alone on a road, but a mom in a soccer mobile would destroy or give a run for the money.
@@27Zangle all you gotta do is paint racing strips on it. Instant 1000horsepower.
Nobody should be butt hurt. The V8 is still available.
Without Camaro I4 turbo & Mustang I4 turbo young and frugal people would only have Toyota 86/Subaru BRZ. Which is too small and not turbo’ed but still around same price.
80s was terrible time for big engines. Emissions control made a lot of big v8 produce barely 200hp
4 cylinder turbocharged engines are normal nowadays, they are good on gas and have decent amount of power. As far as looks it all comes down to personal preference.
@@siraff4461 it will be better on gas compared to V8's
Raptor you don’t drive a v8 so how would you know or you just ASSuming
@@isiahgomez6860 yeah I do I have a 5.0 mustang
Yeah, 4 cyl turbos are great in a light chassis. I don't know if this qualifies, I'm thinking more like a 228i, or a GTI.
@@siraff4461 that's true of any car.
you dont buy a 4 cylinder camaro because youre afraid of the V6's power. You buy it because it costs less and turbos are cool.
The 4cyl is a $600 reflash away from matching the V6 power, and a $1700 "stage" kit away from nearly matching the SS V8. Not bad potential at all for a base model.
Stock turbos break. I’m happy with my 2019 Camaro SS. It’s a beast. I got it brand new at 7 grand more then the base turbo Camaro. Although what appeals to me about the turbo LE. Is the ability to rev it out. That’s it.
Rehab Junkie one day the engine in the ss Camaro will break as well. Everything wears out with time
The lighter weight and sticky compound tires make the difference on tighter tracks. Ability to carry more speed on turn in, at the apex, and corner exit makes up for the loss in HP. It really is just that simple. I am admittedly not a huge fan of GM products but I could see myself buying one of these if I had the money and didn't need a larger car or truck.
Y’all are smoking, I love how the car looks.
Y'all do realize Mustangs and Camaros have always had cheap 4 and 6 cylinder versions, right?
But the were sold for what they were and not marketed as a performance car.
The SVO Mustang? The GNX powered Firebird?
Lol...yeah I was around when the hard to get (more expensive than a loaded GT) SVO and the forget about it unless you pre ordered (more expensive than a Buick GNX) GNX/GTA Trans Am were built and you did not see the words entry level performance car use nor were those two cars marketed to the kid flipping burgers down the street.
Not always, there were some years when the 4cl was not available.
Yeah but the cheap ones usually sucked and were for middle aged people who wanted a car that looked fast in the parking lot at work. This thing is actually designed to be fast.
if I were to get a camaro, this would be the one I'd get. partial because its the closest thing to one I could afford, but also because it's the best version for enjoying that wonderfully done chassis.
Some ppl are forgetting that some of us live in the real world & truth is there's a lot of young ppl who love the Camaro v8 but they can't afford it! So Chevy was actually smart enough to create a vehicle that'll let then have a similar experience like the big boys but on a budget! Great idea & execution on their part! Not a bad package either!
Thank you TFL and Nathan for taking the time to review this car when most other RUclips automotive channels chose to ignore it.
Those that have driven GM Alpha-platform cars know that Alpha sets the standard for balanced, precise and predictable handling. Quick steering, strong brakes with good feel and expertly tuned dampers provide a rewarding driving experience. The 2.0L engine is not as strong as the Mustang’s 2.3L, but it has much less lag. Having driven a Cadillac CTS with this engine, I am confident that the power and torque available can easily create conditions that likely exceed the skill levels of most drivers. In other words, it’s a lot of fun. No doubt the larger engines are more exciting, but as Nathan suggested, this is a lot of performance in a quality package for a reasonable price,
it makes fake engine sounds and starts to struggle at 100?
John Pierce Ford Raptor does the same thing...and it’s 70K truck.
Let’s not forget it’s just a 4cl
this might surprise you...most people dont drive over 100, some dont want to die, others want to keep their drivers license...personally i hate giving cops money so i dont even speed
Bigger turbo will fix it
Then why not get a Camry or something? lol
Hated the way it looked when I first saw it but the orange and black? Absolutely perfect. Looks amazing.
I have this car and it’s basically an under cover JDM car
Yep... recently installed a Spec stage 1 clutch and aluminum flywheel plus FBO and tuned in my 17 Camaro I4 turbo...I thank Chevy for making this car. I also have a 17 Camaro SS....but the 4 banger is the better driver's car for sure.
I bought a camaro 2.0 and have been driving it for 6 months. I slightly have mixed feelings with it because the reputation of the Camaro should always have a v8. The positive side is that I get to daily drive it everyday, not worry about the costs of maintenance, gas mileage and monthly payments. Also my mindset was to keep it as long as I can and not worry about spending much as it gets old. Don’t worry guys, if you like gas mileage and a Camaro, get this. If you’re concerned more on performance, get the SS or SS 1LE and ZL1. I’m just hoping people will stop the hate on the 2.0 and v6 coz we still represent one car brand and model, a chevy Camaro 😉
The 2018 Zl1 and 1le version is by far the best looking one
I had a rental Camaro last year with the 2018 4-cylinder turbo engine. I was pleasantly surprised by it's performance (both engine and chassis) even though it did sound like a vacuum cleaner. As a substitute for a V8 I doubt that it will satisfy. But being a Porsche guy (and a life-long Chevy disdainer) I see it more of a successor to the 944 turbo concept. I could picture a lot of people with slightly more modest budgets finding an enjoyable and fun to drive car. If you show up for a track-day or auto-cross, you won't be embarrassed, but will still get ~30 MPG on the drive home.
A nice and beautiful creation of Chevrolet Motors
When I use to sell Chevrolets, we had a few 2.0L Turbos on the lot and one was a blue convertible, it was so quick light and fun. Yes it doesn't have the noise and grumble of the V8 (it is not a sports car unless it has one is what most people say), but for every day driving, it is nimble on the backroads and has good acceleration off the line as well especially since it is lighter. I am not a audiophyle so that lack of V8 grumble doesn't bother me. I wouldn't mind having one of the 2.0L 4s in a convertible. I can't drive a stick, but for those that can and want a bigger car than the Mazda Miata (like Roman) and cost about the same this 1LE pack on the 2.0T would fit the bill. Nice "Quick" review Nathan, thanks for taking us along and do like that Orange color like you do. :)
Not a fan of the new front facia
Having just purchased the 18 I4t it is much faster than it feels. The handling is off the charts...you just can break it. Now the tools will never go for it. The sad part is they don't get choice...they think everyone has to be and think like them. What can you do they exist. Still I personally think the V6 is the best choice but boy the breaking and handling are amazing in this car.
Looks weird😭
Those are damn good numbers for a 4cyl turbo ... great video that touches on what the Camaro has become. It hasn’t been a muscle car in a long time & it’s not as pointless as the Camaro/ TransAm’s of the 90’s. It’s a bulky 2-door that barely seats 4, gets good gas mileage as you deliver pizzas under 30min
Wow! augmented sound, crappy look, 4 cylinder....can’t believe I’m saying this but very soon the Charger/challenger will be the last real American muscle car
Crusaderhun The Challenger IS the only true American muscle car left. The Charger is more of a sports car.
I wouldn't be surprised if chargers started having 4 bangers but challengers I doubt it
Lol the challenger isnt even a true muscle car
Why are you acting like this 4 cylinder is the top of the like Camaro???
Must I remind you that the Camaro is the fastest and quickest muscle car to date.....and always has been
No one here said it's the top of the line, also it is not a muscle car anymore. Even if it was, still not faster than a hellcat, redeye or demon.
At first I hated the new look but now it’s growing on me and I’m a young guy who cares about gas mileage I would honestly get the four cylinder
I kinda like the direction of how the big 3 American muscle/pony cars are turning out. Camaro (handling monster), challenger (overpowered old school muscle car), and mustang (sports couple). Also, competition brings better stuff to us.
This track is right down the road from my house. It’s a very nice track. Can’t believe I missed you guys!!!
This may seem random, but this made me think about this: Why hasn't Buick (GM) brought back a modern GN or T Type "retro styled" Regal coupe? It just feels like the time is right to do so.
*TheVoxOfReason* EXACTLY!! I'm soo tired of saying that
The Chevy SS had a hard enough time selling and it has the more performance oriented badge. Imagine how bad a Grand National would sell considering Buick’s average buyer nowadays.
cutthroat795 buick sales compared to the competition are actually pretty good so bringing back an icon name should help boost sales even more
CAMARO_KYLE they are popular in China but still not so much in the US. They still sell to older people (the average buyer of a LaCrosse is 60! The AVERAGE) and middle class dads not interested in cars at all. My point was that a performance car coming out of Buick would appeal to a very tiny audience.
@@cutthroat795 That's because it's a 300. The name "Grand National" is legendary. The people that drooled over them as kids now have the means to buy a new one. Look how desirable a clean GN is these days, they've shot up in price and demand a ton the past 10 years.
It's powered by the 2.0T LTG. I have it in my equinox except it's 20hp less. I can't believe how heavy these SUVs are. I went to a 3.8 L Impala to the 2.0T and it still feels underpowered. My old 3.8 kicked butt, but then again the V6 was twice the size of the 2.0T. V8's, V6's and 4's NEVER feel the same. It's that old adage- bigger is always better.
I'd rather get a base v8 over this personally. The chassis and the engine are the best foundation. You can tweak tires and suspension later if you are worried about track duty.
Clearly missing the point about the cornering ability of the 50/50 weight.
I’d love to own a Camaro, something of a dream car right there
i will buy 2019 Camaro ss i love the new design.
From a current 1ss owner this thing appeals to me in a DD Autox mister of a car. I was at a cam challenge autocross and the gm autocross team with a slightly modded turbo 1LE kicker everyone’s butt! Don’t sleep in these cars V8 people.
Eagle RunFlats.... "puke" first upgrade = tires... burn them off!
Yea run flats are harsh as hell
They have to be. How else could you driver on a flat tire without screwing something up?
They have to sell them with run flats, they don't come with a spare. Lots of cars don't have a spare now, all about that weight savings, because of CAFE requirements.
If this is anything like the SS1LE .. it doesn't come with run flats. My 18' SS 1LE didn't and according to camaro forums no 1LE does.
@@aabbee150 look at the video when it shows the tires... they literally say RunFlat on them.
Honestly, I'm re-evaluating my view of this refreshed Camaro. It's honestly not that bad looking compared to the concept we've seen, it still looks muscular and powerful, but with a bit more sleekness and dignity. And as a Brit, I finally feel we have a Camaro that would feel at home on British roads.
For All 6th gen owners out there saying their 2016 Camaros looks better ..
6th gen don't look nice as well. Only the ZL1 or the ZL1 1LE looks somehow special.
5th gen Camaros looks awesome. Muscly, Mean, Big and Aggressive.
But for sure the 6th gen is way more refined.
I think the 6th gen looks the best in imo, never liked the 5th gen camaro, except the 2014-2015 remodel. The mustang and challenger did the whole muscle/retro look better.
Kinda want one. It looks fun to drive. It actually looks pretty good too. Im a fan of the refresh. Its not as good as the early 6 but its still cool. And for the record the camaro always handled well.
So they essentially are like 3 years behind the Ford Mustang EcoBoost
Julian Requenez might be more advanced than current ecobeast models
There was a concept Auto X shown at Sema in 2016. 3 yrs behind is somewhat pushing it. MT tested Eco boost vs stock Camaro T on SS tires. Results had Eco 3yrs behind. Updated Mustang does have magnetic shocks as a option unlike 1LE. Hopefully both were tested at VIR this yr.
Ford is usually first.... in making trash.
@@imyourhuckleberry4547 Good one. Take you all day to come up with that?
In what way?
This is the evolution of Cobalt SS (08-09). Great to see this engine in a Camaro!
The looks are growing on me. And the LTG turbo four is a die hard powerplant. Why not do either a supercharged or twin charged V6? At least it would be above 300hp. But I like it. We DEFINITELY need a new, rear wheel drive Impala now, to match this.
The ford 2.3 4l ecoboost is 350 chevy has a way to go in there small engine department.
Recife, Brasil, South America here, what a great car had a black camero 2ss and this is even better then a zl1 wow, today I have a bmw but can’t even compare...
have a 2016 camaro ss. I love camaros but after this refresh I will never buy another one again
triplethreat563 just buy an older one
triplethreat563 the front is passable. The rear is bad
6th gen don't look nice as well. Only the ZL1 or the ZL1 1LE looks somehow special.
5th gen Camaros looks awesome. Muscly, Mean, Big and Aggressive.
But for sure the 6th gen is way more refined.
@@tomdubois3062 no.
@@FlameOnTheBeat May I ask you something ? Do you like Challengers or not a fan ?
I like the looks, it looks different from when they first showed the refresh a while back. People whining about it now but will warm up to it later. With that said I'll pass on the 4cyl and take the V6, driven both and it's no comparison for smoothness and refinement!
Better than most 4 cylinder sports cars
And you gotta understand this is perfect for a young guy getting into sport cars i rather see a young guy in this than a damn Miata or a BRZ
Pluggod Tv which are both better cars!
Steve Jackson
Better in what way? Certainly not performance.
What's wrong with the Miata?
I don’t like a 4 cylinder camaro it’s just not right i would have to differ camaro should go back to the 350 Chevy V8 as the base engine NOT A V6 AND 4 banger
EdMiF yes performing it’s better
It's interesting.. but I just picked up a new 18 ss a few months ago for 37k. All I cared about was the LT1, magnetic ride control, active exhaust and either blue or black. Unless your tracking this car every weekend, a popping v8 is so much rewarding.
This car is super ugly. Never really been a Ford or Chevy fan but I’ve watched every car change over the years and this by far is the worst refresh
To you sure. I hated the 2010 mustang when I first seen it still hate it. Do not get me started about late 90s early 2000s cars to they made them all look like cheap trash sedans.
2013 sl550 ftw
Ranger_six honestly it looks fine
@@foxwithshades7080 please dont remind me ... I'm begging you.
Ranger_six ur stupid
This version look nicer than the other ones. This one will grow on me more.
The augmented engine sound - sounds no different with it on or off 😂
A perfect auto x and canyon carver. A win win.
I have been a GM fan for a long time, and the 5th and 6th gen Camaros were fantastic... but holy crap they ruined the fascia of the 2019. 🤢 But the engineering? The chassis, power plant options, and so forth are very good. From a purely technical side, I’d do a V6 1LE. Enough power, sounds good, great balance, and the 1LE bits give it a genuine performance improvement on track and winding roads. If you’re on more of a budget, or just want something more practical for the daily commute, the turbo 4 is certainly nothing to sneeze at.
imo the 1LE package is a pure up sell on i4 and v6 models. Also since owning a 6th gen and going to meets and just being in that community, I've only ran into 2 people who track their camaros. An SS and ZL1 1LE. people dont get how expensive it is (if you do it right) to go do a track day.
you can get a 2.0T in the Camaro since 2017.
What has been the biggest contributor to the Camaros performance 2016+? The handling... Where did they get such a good chassis and drop some weight along with it? Not by themselves, but from Cadillac.
Why is it ugly??? The only true muscle car is the challenger and its not ugly.
Head Male cheerleaders car
Wait where did you see the Honda?
Honestly at first I didn’t like the look but it’s growing on me I actually like it
Can’t wait for these to go on the Chevy website.
This 4 cylinder thing reminds me of the old Camaro Berlinetta days. I believe no "muscle car" should have a 4-cylinder or a 6 cylinder.
Matthew Wheeler completely right with you on that!!
The Camaro has never been a muscle car, however.
Well you're in luck, because the Camaro (nor the Mustang or Challenger) were EVER muscle cars. They are all and only ever have been Pony cars. The only historically true muscle car still around today is the Charger.
Get out of the 50's Matthew.
Paul + Camaro 2.0t 1LE + Mustang ecoboost track package= awesome camparison
Rather drive this then a Civic Type R front wheel drive.
I like the way it looks, no way there fooling me with that 4 banger turbo. It doesn't matter you will indeed regret not getting the V8 no matter the cost. Just buy a used one but do it right from the get go. People will say some people don't need as much power as the V8, lol because you haven't driven the V8 and just making excuses. I use to sell these cars and lost count how many times people regreted buying anything but the V8. Trying to bring it back the next day week or month trading it in, too late then and need a shit load down, lost too much value.
Props to Chevrolet to making a drivers car. 👍
What lmao
im_miata_mike Toyota not everyone wants a over powered v8 monster. As cool as a zr1 might be, under powered cars are more about technical driving and can actually be more fun to drive
@@docstomp5524 Then get a V6...
I dig it, but the smallest engine I would take is the V6. Still, it's good to see the I4T got the 1LE option.
Thing looks atrocious. The previous version looks better, and newer...
Nathan!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Glad you're still here....but that's not a truck dude!
First the new 2017-2018 camaro looked like an asian car. Now it really looks like an asian car!
Before we bash the front end. Remove the grill piece.. insert ETS front mount IC. carbon front splitter, and drop. Might not look too shabby
Not a good looking car, and f that 4 cylinder
they are not all 4 cylinder lol
I have the 2019 turbo 1le love it!
Buy a real sports car. Buy a V8. I was a long time Chevy guy but I would buy a Ford Mustang or Dodge Challenger over this generation's Camaro.
Camaro has two V8 offerings(LT1 and LT4)
Barack Smith - LMAO so you say "buy a real sports car" and then proceed to suggest two much worse handling cars? The 6th gen Camaro runs circles around the Mustang and Challenger when it comes to handling and performance. The 2.0T is a cheap base engine, just like the Duratec V6 offered in the S550 Mustang currently.
I love this combination! Small displacement turbo, manual tranny, SS handling package, a ‘real’ drivers car. Without driving one it seems ideal.
GM finna need another bailout
LMAO not before Ford. Their stock lost half its value over the last 4 years despite selling all those trucks and mustangs. Pathetic.
@@hochhaul you're a pessimist if you think the value of Ford is solely based on its stock
@@Minecraftizawsom Their stock value is a barometer for indicating the health of their business and so far it's quite accurate. Down 47% Since July 2014 and Hackett told investors things will get worse before they get better. It's going to cost over $10 billion to "turn the company around" and the plan includes ending production of all sedans and cutting costs of the mayerials in their products across the board. He wants to cut the number of configurations available for their vehicles (the biggest selling point of the F-150 is its configurability), and their only progress in pure electric vehicles is a concept rendering of the silhouette of a vehicle they were going to call the Mach 1 even though it is planned to be a crossover SUV not a sports car. They're losing money in Europe and in the Asian Pacific. Even FCA sold more cars than Ford last month. And despite selling nearly a million F-series trucks each year, the financial health of the company is so poor there are rumors they may have to end their special dividend. And the Ford fans on here are so blinded and ignorant, they seem to think GM is the one at risk of a bankruptcy.
I don't know about you. But if you are a fan of the Camaro the Chevrolet Camaro. I think what Chevrolet needs to do in my opinion. Is to make the Camaro more upscale and more luxury oriented. For the sophisticated buyer. With Burl Walnut trim. Polished aluminum wheels. Full plush leather. Heated rear view mirrors. Non turbo 4-cylinder engine and automatic. Redesigning to a Front wheel drive layout. A more domesticated personal luxury Coupe feel. With a polished aluminum band around the steering wheel. Included a part of leather luggage package by by Tiffany and Company. And leather and chrome accent pieces for a more elegant appearance.
Faster than any Camaro made before the LS
Pretty sure it would whoop a bone stock ls1 at the track and strip. Nothing to be proud of I hate 4 bangers and I'm pretty sure with a tune only these can be taken upto 350 hp .
Nah my lt1 with light mods would smoke this thing
@@ruairiodonoghue9527 Which LT1 are we talking here ? If its fourth gen a bone stock LT1 won't be able to keep up , cams header yes it'll be close . But again it takes 10 mins to hook up a tuner and upload a tune to these new 2.0t and it will smoke that slightly warmed over lt1
@@dilsher12 my 4th gen lt1 has exaust, headers, intake, tune, bigger tires, lowered, and I can keep up with 5th gen ss's on a track no problem.
If this car weighs 400 less than an SS, my car weighs 100 less then this. They make them so heavy these days
The new design FITS the 4banger turbo and I Love it! Affordable and fun plus its own look....... I got a 2015 SS manual 6 speed, but I would love this 4 cyl. Turbo some day!!!!! Totally interesting, the happy medium, get the great 0 to 60 turbo , and for highway driving with no speed tickets, this is a great car
Nice, a Toyota Camry makes more power
DJ Bahaa this is the ss,not the zl1
I have a 2023 2.0T and it’s so fun. I’m 16 so it’s y first car. Parents didn’t want me to have too much power so I said how about the 4 cylinder and they agreed. Mom doesn’t know that the stats are still crazy.😂
Looks like a 2 door Malibu.
Title says 2.0t. Description says 1.5t. Which is it?
The Civic type R will walk all over this trash
chris corona but it actually wouldn’t lol
Donald Hodgman more power, better handling,
chris corona and the type r is an over priced pos lol I don’t see why people even buy them
Donald Hodgman I didn’t see the 4cyl Camaro breaking any records at the Nurburgring.
chris corona Chevy hasn’t tracked it on the ring yet
Hopefully the aftermarket will support it with intake, exhaust and a tune to push it over 300HP.
I hope no one buys this so Chevy in the future remember to listen to the fans. That is very very very ugly omg...
This car took my heart
I love these. We hired a previous gen V8 SS Rag top for a 2.5k road trip in 2016. I wish they’d bring them to the U.K.
I like the way it looks, I really do. If you don't like it, that's your opinion, but please don't say that people are stupid or something insulting them personally just because they don't share your opinion
Chevy need to bring the 70's chevy camaro style back
Very nice car, really still not digging the new design. Congratulations on how far this channel has come
Chevy and Ford need to make those 4cyl sound good so it can fit the personality of the car. Older Toyotas and Subarus had deep sounding 4cyl that add character to the car they were in, so I know it can be done again with these newer cars.
Good Job Gimmy! Hell of an idea!