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The one thing I sorta hated was the ending to The Rise of Skywalker because It would've been interesting to see All the Jedi return as Force Ghosts to confront Sidious and the ending will show Rey calling herself, Rey Kenobi.
Wasn't there always contingencies plans in case of palpatine's death so he could always be brought back? Idk if I read that before episode 9 but it wasn't a thing that bothered me
The biggest thing that got me upset at Rey "Skywalker" was according to Daisy, the writers were going back and forth about what Rey's origins were going to be through out the entire filming process. They didn't decide on Skywalker until the last moment. Details like that need to be finalized before day 1 of filming.
Then again, pretty sure some of the OT's biggest twists, like Darth Vader = Anakin Skywalker, and Leia being Luke's sister, weren't Day 1 twists either, so. Besides, she has no reason to keep Palpatine's surname, either, considering the man's atrocities; doing so would likely make her a pariah. That happened with Leia a few years prior when her relation to Darth Vader was outed to the public, after all.
That's my main issue with the sequels. They should've had a plan of some kind before starting. While I have my issues with the prequels, at least Lucas had some idea of what he wanted to do.
@@ShunsuiHitsugaya I didn't say "Day 1" as in from the start of writing. I said Day 1 of "Filming". By that point, key details like Vader being Luke's father are finished. It's okay to keep secrets to prevent spoilers, or help with reaction for the shot. But Scripts and lines should be done before the very first time anyone says: Action! And according to Daisy in an interview, that didn't happen. Rey's name was changed multiple times, even while they were still filming.
I find it so odd how much people hate the “Sand” line. To me, it was always a line to show that subconsciously Anakin hates any and everything associated to Tattooine, since he was enslaved there. It was never about sand itself, it was about how much he hated his life when he lived with it. It wasn’t a great line, but it wasn’t as bad as people make it out to be.
I was 14 when AotC came out. Even at that age I saw every one of his flit attempts as a giant cringe. It isn't the fact he hates sand. It's that he uses all of that to flirt with Padme...
What annoys me more is that people think that line is him flirting with her. It’s the next line that is him actually flirting. And him being bad at flirting is veeery on point. He’s someone who’s never flirted before. Hasn’t even talked to a crush before. And he isn’t allowed to anyway. He’s going to be awkward.
For me it was Rey using the light source of the force to keep kylo alive That is the whole reason Anakin turned into Vader was to save padmé if he could have fine that as a Jedi then the prequel would have been the only movies needed Rey was honestly my biggest issue with the whole franchise
@@EpicJoshua314that could apply to literally anything, they had tons of possibilities and yet they chose to do the goofiest thing they could imagine, it didn't look cool
Jar Jar proposing emergency powers for Palpatine actually made sense to me. Considering he's kind of stupid and easily manipulated, I could see how Palpatine kind of mind tricked him.
He’s also just the man who literally proposed it, he didn’t write it and he wasn’t even the only one doing the proposing. Dude was the spokesperson for a whole committee of senators and representatives who had the same idea and they just chose him probably because he could be blamed.
"Somehow, Palpatine returned" - the issue I had with this wasn't the "somehow," it was the fact they brought Palpatine back. It completely undermined *everything* in the saga. Luke's confrontation of Palpatine in Episode VI? Meaningless. Vader's sacrifice to destroy Palpatine and be literally the "Return of the Jedi?" Pointless. Anakin Skywalker being the subject of the prophecy? *Shrug* Doesn't matter. The entirety of the original trilogy and the prequel trilogy was rendered pointless by bringing back Palpatine. I didn't mind Episodes VII and VIII, though both had their issues. However, IX was just obnoxious.
Palpatine in the rise of skywalker was a clone and how he is still alive way before he died he secretley made clones of himself so when he died from anakin throwing him throwing him to his death he used essence tranfer which only sith can do
With Dave Filoni and Jon Favreau helming Mandalorian, it was not luck, it's good decision. Though I'm not sure whether Dave Filoni is up to direct full feature live action movie yet.
Strange enough, I actually thought that the line about Sand by Anakin is one of the most powerful, and heart-wrenching lines in the prequels. It highlighted the contrast of the life of this couple and how they are fated even from birth to end up in tragic separation. To Padme who grew up with a silver spoon in the mouth as a princess, sand means fun and lots of beautiful memory with friends. In contrast, to Anakin who grew up as a slave who didn't even have a father, sand means harshness, sufferings, hardship and loneliness. The same object can mean two different things to two different person. To Padme, sand means beautiful beaches. but to Anakin, sand means desert and barrenness. But then again, may be it's just me...
never thought about it like that, but i like your interpretation. I've always seen it as a _very_ awkward teenager who desperately tries to say something profound to hit on a girl he is crushing on, but who have almost never tried to hit on to any girls before (except "are you an angel"-line from Eps1) and have even less of a clue of what he is doing that most of us did when we were that young.
I thought it was a great line because of how awkward it was. Anakin is a space wizard prodigy born in a galactic backwater being indoctrinated into an order of celibate warrior monks . Makes total sense he would have trouble trying to flirt with a princess and it therefore highlights his infatuation and the underlying emotional sincerity.
well while i totally agree with you, i think youre missing WHY it's bad. for me, it's not that the context is bad, it's the fact that they romanticized that part and made it out to be a very stale romance scene with very dry dialogue.
I didn’t think Vader yelling No, was a bad scene. It showed his emotions of losing Pademe, realizing that his very actions of trying to stop her death actually caused her death.
Luke Skywalker was quite plain in the original trilogy, he never has been greater as a character than in The last Jedi. There is nothing out of sense. He's depressed and feeling out of place, and then Rey makes him recover his force, figting for the last time before he dies happy and proud.
@@jaju984are you insane? someone has to be insane to actually think that. want to know how i know this? even mark hamill hates what the sequels did to luke. what the sequels did is unforgivable
Big one for me is Luke considering, even for a second, about killing his own nephew. Not talking about the fears of the dark side with him or his parents (Luke's sister and best friend). Nope straight to "can I kill him in his sleep"? This is the same Luke who continued to see good in a father he had never met except as the second to a evil galactic dictator. A man who had repeated killed Rebel soldiers and pilots, kidnapped his friends, chopped of his hand and helped blow up planets.
Would have been so much better that Luke was only there to check up on Ben's newly built lightsaber. Caught a bit of guard to see that it was very dark orange almost red color. Ben woke up and came to the wrong conclusion that Luke was going to attack him or took away his lightsaber and retaliate immediately.
Yeah I agree having Luke try to kill Ben Solo instead of trying to redeem him felt way out of character. I think it would've been better if Ben aka Kylo Ren had already been turned to the dark side by Snoke and slaughtered Luke's Jedi padawans before trying to kill Luke, but Luke briefly givens in to grief stricken rage (like he did with Darth Vader in Return of the Jedi) and tries to kill Kylo Ren after he killed his padawans. But Luke hesitates to kill him after seeing that he almost gave in to the dark side and tries to redeem Kylo Ren but he refuses and instead deems Luke as "weak just like Ben Solo was." And Kylo Ren escapes becoming Snoke's apprentice and leader of the Knights of Ren.
Mark Hamill was right when he said, Luke Skywalker would never, ever give up. He would not have gone to recluse on a deserted island/planet to hide from his past. He would have confronted it and found a way to overcome.
Isn’t that what obi wan and yoda did tho ? They were very powerful jedis and they went into hiding for 20 years while the empire probably did countless evils
Yes, but WatchMojo is Disney's fkin slave. That's why it focused on Prequels, despite everyone hates Disney's flip outs the most - just look at votes, read some opinions - it's everywhere.
The moment where Palpatine tells Rey “I am all the sith,” and she responds with “And l am all the Jedi,” really took me out of the movie because they were basically the same final lines between Thanos and Iron Man in Endgame, which had just come out just a few months before ROS. They're both owned by Disney so this has always seemed weird to me.
@Wes Bradley-Taubner They spend half of the movie looking for something related to the villain Theres a big fight scene at the end with the heroes appearing moments before they lose (portals scene and/or the “But there are more of us Poe” scene) I am Inevitable, and I am Iron man… I am all the sith, and I… I am all the Jedi
@Wes Bradley-Taubner well I see you have some strong arguments but you are forgetting a couple things. Disney owns both films, so they can obviously take ideas from each other. And well you might say that that isn’t copying, thats just taking the same ideas considering it was around the same time, right? Well no. KK had fired a lot of writers and directors for TROS, one of them being the same guy who made Jurassic World and the script was very different from Avengers Endgame. But after the film got finished (not released), KK found JJ Abrams once (from TFA) again who funnily enough copied almost everything about Endgame. In an interview with Daisy Ridley, she actually exposed the directors saying they never had a plan and that the movies were rushed. I could totally see the possibility of JJ Abrams seeing Endgame before it got released and copying everything from it.
Exactly. Instead, she chose to give up. That means that she also chose to leave her children behind, knowing that they would be left without *both* of their biological parents. Her death scene would have been more acceptable to me if she had fought to live. If not for herself, then for her children.
Or any other death except that she just gave up on life. Then same thing kinda happens to Leia too like is this some stupid thing that happens only to the Skywalkers lol.
@@Chocobear555 Okay that is simply not fair. Padmé wasn't in an emotionally stable position because guess what, SHE WAS DYING. Added to that fact that her pregnancy made things even harder for her. You make it sound like she chose to lose the will to live when she had no control whatsoever.
3:20 : The scene when Jar Jar proposes that the senate gives emergency powers to Palpatine would have made much more sense, if only they hadn't canceled the Darth Jar Jar plot. Just look at his yellow eyes and his smile when the senate approves his decision...
Anakin's awkwardness always felt natural to me at least. He hasn't seen Padme for like 10 years and as such, doesn't really know how to talk to her. I knew I was going to hate TLJ as soon as Luke threw the lightsaber behind him. It felt like a slap in the face to the ending of TFA and RoS is an insult to the film industry.
I also hate sand. No but honestly I never hated the line, it's a strong link to Tatooine and all the bad memories from that place. All the bad memories he has from the sandplanet.
@@donder91 Exactly. Some "fans" don't understand metaphor. I also agree that Anakin's awkwardness was on point. He's hopped up on hormones for all his teen life, his dream girl is right next to him, he knows there's something between them even after a decade of separation, so his attempt at romance is altogether new. He's no old smoothie like Lando Calrissian.
When asked for her name, Rey really should have said "...Just Rey." with a smile. Showing that she no longer felt like she needed a family to give her purpose, and that she's ready to make her own name be the thing that matters for her.
Disney: We dont do that here Their idea of powerful woman is only if she feeds on a story and background that its not hers and exclusively if its from something formerly popularly known and loved by its own merits. They must be very powerful if their only way to gain power is by clinging to something and someone else’s trade mark 😉
According to George Lucas’s own words, the entire point of 1-6 is that Anakin was the chosen one and by destroying both himself and Palpatine he brought balance to the force. So to me, “Somehow, Palpatine returned” shows a complete lack of understanding of what the entire thing is.
Another that piss me, and most other fans, about the Rey Skywalker, is that Ahsoka deserves to inherit the Skywalker names more. They could said that Ahsoka decided to add Skywalker to her name to honor her master; after all Anakin and Padme basically raise her
Another thing that I would point out is that in her initial debut, Ashoka was NOT a liked character. So in response Dave Filoni took the criticism to heart and made the character a fan favorite throughout the show. Kathleen Kennedy on the other hand read the Rey criticism and said "Fuck you fans! You'll like this character and live with it.
At least deserves a dishonorable mention: Last Jedi, Luke milking that sea creature and drinking its milk. Leaving in that scene and deleting when he senses Han is dead.
The issue I take with is bringing back Palpatine. There was no need for that. In a galaxy that was unexplored for the most part. How about battling dark force users from the unknown regions?
I can put up with the prequel gripes, because for the most part, they feel minor. "The sand" and the "NOoooo" parts are just minuscule compared to the whole character assassination and the breaking of lore and logic that goes on in the sequel trilogy. The worst part is that that thing is canonized and any post-empire project is now forced sub-exist in that space between the original and the sequel trilogies.
The "Nooooooo" to me came off as the last dying cries of Anakin as he passed on and became Darth Vader, it makes it quit fitting when he says it again as at the very end of his life, he becomes Anakin once more when he saves Luke. I always chalked up Padame dying as one last dastardly deed of Palpatine to guarantee pushing Vader over the edge by taking the very essence of Padames life sort of an exchange for Vader to live on. As for sand, I always found that one obvvious, it adds more to the truly tragic life of Anakin. For most, they relate sand to beaches, relaxation, vacation, and joy. Anakin, because of his upbringing, relates sand to deserts, slavery, trapping, and grief.
You missed a major one. Holdo using light speed to crash into the first order ships chasing them in episode 8. So terrible. Punches holes all through out star wars lore as well. Why not use light speed with unmanned ships on Death Star 1,2 & star killer base? Why not use unmanned light speed ships in all space combat? This was just decided to be used now? This could have been used for several battles to end them much quicker.
Several points as to why no Holdo does it in a desperate attempt to sacrifice her life to save the resistance. How many in the rebellion/resistance ready to do as well? You there saying "oh they could have done it so many times like it's that simple" except everytime you wanna do this you still need to find at least one pilot ready to sacrifice itself for what? The hope it will actually do something? Yeah I just recall Holdo does it with a pretty big ship of the resistance and while damaging Snoke's ship it doesn't destroy it. All she managed to do in the end is slowing down the threat. Now doing the same on the death star which is much bigger than Snoke's ship... what garantee do we have it would do anything more than a scratch on it? Yep that's right, we have none. Then, how many ships can the rebellion/resistance afford to sacrifice this way for, I recall, no garantee? I mean, unlike the empire/new order it doesn't look at all like they have unlimited resources. Finally, Holdo managed to do it thanks to the surprise effect. After you did it once, what garantee do you have it could work twice? Yeah again there is none. Once your opponent knows you're willing to use kamikaze strategies, they most likely adapt to it. You know what? If any storyteller comes and say the rebellion already tried this, achieved nothing out of it beside wasting resources and having the empire more carefull thus justifying not to try this more often I would totally by it since it would be far from making no sense.
I always thought and still feel that Palpatine (who is proven to use powers over vast distances) was draining Padme's life and giving it to Anakin until he can get the suit on him. It allows him to keep his apprentice, and it gets rid of the thing that would keep Vader from crossing over completely to the dark side. You can literally see the smile on Palpatine's face when he informs Vader that he killed her in his anger.
#10 - I don't ever recall anyone getting up in arms over this #9 - Because he was robbed of such a heroic act, he continued to be a joke for the rest of the "trilogy" instead of the fascinating character we were promised as an ex-Stormtrooper. The moment with Rose was so random and not earned at all. #8 - Straight up trolling from Lucas. Hysterical. I was under the impression that the fans were more or less impressed by Jar Jar's growth as he is representing on behalf of Padme #7 - COMPLETE copout. J.J. cannot write or create period. Once again, the sequels earned nothing in trying to tie into the other 6. #6 - This was not deep at all. Silly and unimaginative. Should have killed Leia off right then and there since Carrie had passed and there was still time to edit certain things for the story to make more sense. It's such a shame she never lived long enough for her NDA to expire so she could give us all the cold hard truth of her experience with Rian Johnson. #5 - Need I say more? Let's copy a very famous line from a previous film and bring back the big bad to forever take away the achievements of Luke in Return of the Jedi. Atrocious. Not even Lucas would have written something this putrid. #4 - So cheesy. This kind of thinking and planning for such a movie perfectly explains why it was the very first Star Wars film to ever bomb. #3 - This one I will never understand. Anakin was raised as a slave and Tattooine is home to some of the most vile people/creatures in the galaxy. Add in the intense heat and you've got hell on Earth. Completely understood. #2 - It was too late to turn back now, the ruin had begun... Disney had NO plan for how these three films were going to connect and thus, an unfortunate trend of dissecting every single hero came into play and nihilism took over. Asinine. #1 - Crap pick. People offended by that one need to get over it. The dude just lost the love of his life and because the dark side had overpowered him, he was blind to what he had done and this scene is us catching that last bit of humanity in Anakin before he becomes this ruthless Sith Lord for decades. I personally would have gone with Maz showing us Anakin's lightsaber and instead of giving us some info, J.J. pulled out his good ol' mystery box unto which orange Yoda says: "a good question, for another time...." and we never heard a single thing about it ever again. Don't put an easter egg into the story and never resolve it. My other choice would have been turning Han into a deadbeat dad loser and having him go out like a chump. 6/10 for Disney, the creators of the "Anti-Star Wars Trilogy"
the fact that the creator messed up almost the same amount of times disney did, shows a lot on what they did with star wars or both of them are bad, or some critic were just created by our community because we as a fandom suck
Han died doing pretty much exactly what Luke almost died doing. Luke literally just got luckier and it's considered the best moment in all of Star Wars.
The biggest problem I had with the "Rey Skywalker" thing is that even in-universe it's totally disrespectful. The Palpatine family name has tormented anyone with the Skywalker name every single generation. Instead of Rey Palpatine redeeming her own surname, she tosses it aside and takes the Skywalker name, thinking she is keeping the Skywalker name alive since that bloodline is now gone. But that's like if Hitler's son survived and took the name Goldberg from a family his father put into gas chambers. Even if he somehow had nothing to do with anything Hitler did, taking the name of a family that your family persecuted, is in REALLY bad taste. Even with an optimistic mindset, it's just plain not cool. It's disrespectful to Rey's character too. Why can't she just be Rey? Or better yet, call her Rey Solo! It fits her character arc better, and her name sounds better too.
Actually Rey being part of the Palpatine family is by itself a huge, huge letdown, like: billions of planets, creatures and lineages, and nooo, force sensitive superbeings have to come exclusively from these two lineages. Booring.
Exactly. I understand why he felt the way he did. The thing that bothers me about Anakin in general is just how whiny and entitled he is. I don't blame Hayden, because he was simply doing what he'd been told. I blame the writers and the directors.
Annie spent nine years on sand, and by all accounts in TPM he was happy and well adjusted. Luke spent at least twenty years there and both of the people he considered his parents were killed there. Yet Luke has no hangups about sand.
I always thought the "unmotive" death of padme was supposed to leave a mystery about Sidious finishing her through the force, so he would have anakin completely in the dark side.
If U notice most of the issues on this list are from the Sequel Trilogy. Also I thought Luke being a depressed, brooding, grump old hermit in TLJ would be #1.
Agreed the sequel trilogy was an abomination. I figured #1 would be a toss up between Luke throwing away his lightsaber, Rei Skywalker, or Rose stopping Finn. Vader's "noooo" didn't even come close to those
No it is not an abomination. The Fanbase is an abomination. They harassed and bullied many actors, refused to give Disney a chance, and tried to control the franchise themselves. They act selfish, spoiled, bratty, childish, and entitled and I am fed up with this behavior.
I'm actually okay with #8. Sidious knew Binks admired Padme so he deliberately mentioned her name when discussing the proposal. Jar Jar is a very simple soul and Sidious knew that and used it to his advantage. That's what the Sith does.
Agreed. Besides, Palpatine's a master at improvisation; through the manipulation of one senator or another, he'd have found a way to get those emergency powers sooner or later. Jar Jar's naivety just made it faster and easier for him to do it. Helps that he's a beloved Supreme Chancellor too.
Jar Jar did nothing wrong. Well, he DID, but he truly meant well, and even he was smart enough to know how useless the Senate was in desperate times without a unanimous decision. It's not like he tried to stop his friends from killing themselves to serve the greater good just because it would have hurt his feelings (cough-cough-Rose-cough).
Poe Dameron's General "Hugs" scene was much more cringe than the Anakin's sand quote in my opinion. Anakin was born and raised on Tatooine and had to deal with sandstorms or something. Isn't it obvious? Shouldn't it make sense? It does get everywhere.
@@Dragonage2ftw well, anakin isnt a person. hes been “forced” (pun intended) to be rid of feelings and emotions. so it makes sense that he doesnt know how to be around amidala.
@@kunii.9261 Well they didn't have to make him that way or a person that sounded so monotone. Not even Vader is monotone. Actually Sebastian Shaw and James Earl Jones were both british so we thought Anakin was this british guy with the attitude of TCW Anakin. Not a guy who is monotone and hates sand lol.
The "I don't like sand" is so bad it's good. The "General Hugs", along with most of the sequels' moments, are trying so hard to be funny they come out as awful.
For real, making that number 1 was stupid as hell lol Like any given sequel blunder is FAR worse and I feel they just didn't wanna put anything connected to Disney as number 1 lol
Mark Hamill actually delivered the line with enough emotion that it was ok. Luke was truly devastated. Vader's "Noooo"? Just cringe inducing. James Earl Jones sounded like that was his reaction when he read the script. Personally, I laughed in the theater. All they had to do was have Vader smash all the computers and stuff in the room silent but deadly, so to speak.
The tragic way they handled Star Wars Episodes 7, 8 and 9 remains the greatest wasted opportunity in cinematic history as far as I'm concerned. They had Mark Hamill, Harrison Ford, and Carrie Fisher all on board for "Force Awakens" and they didn't have them all in even one scene together. It boggles the mind how people that are literally paid millions of dollars to make movies could be that damn clueless. And BTW, this entire list could have just been basically every scene in "The Last Jedi".
Completely agree with you, the potential was ENDLESS and they squandered it in every possible way. Carrie Fisher passing was the nail in the bed, there's no redemption here. No scene with all 3 of them together, no epic Jedi Master Luke lightsaber duel, they could've asked a random fan off the street 5 things they would've liked to see in the sequel and done a better job instead they got a bunch of edgy writers thinking they need to throw people off with "twists" like it's a lame reality show. I had doubts when they first annouced the sequels but I could've never imagined it as bad as they made it.
Kylo Ren who was trained by a Jedi Master since he was a kid and Sith Lord afterwards fought evenly with a girl who picked up lightsaber 5 minutes ago, Luke wanting to kill his own newphew in his sleep, Luke in hiding while the empire takes over milking cow tities instead on the front lines, Luke dying in the dumbest way possible, no wonder Mark Hamill was so upset on how these turned out.
The Holdo Manuver for me. Completely world breaking. The empire would have sent empty star destroyers into planents and rebel fleets. Or vice versa. Way more efficient and effective than large dog fight space battles.
Dont even need star destroyers. A simple probe going lightspeed would wreck any ship it hit, shields or not. The empire had the ability to build as many light speed missiles as they wanted.
Established lore regarding hyperspace rules out using this against planets- because the gravity wells of planets and stars are explicitly understood to bring objects out of hyperspace and to prevent ships going to hyperspace
10.) They retconned Padme’s cause of death. Darth Sidius used his knowledge of the dark side to reach across space and snuff out Padme’s life. Sidius feared Padme could lead Anakin back to the light.
During that obiwan and anakin's fight the ships could have been damaged, delaying medical care for Padme, which caused her to die in childbirth. That would make it Anakin's fault, but in a way Anakin could blame obiwan.
I’ve never met any Star Wars fans that thought the ending of revenge of the sith was “goofy” or “undercutting the moment” what a stupid thing to say🤦🏻♂️
Exactly, the sole reason Vader turned to the dark side was because of his belief that he could save padme from certain death. So obviously he is going to be distraught after learning she is dead (and being told he killed her) - people forget that darth Vader is a human, not some robot with no emotion. Stupid list from watch mojo
i'm a Star Wars fan and i definitely found it goofy lol. it's not the fact that he screams "no" - it's the way he does it. it just sounds cartoonish and campy and doesn't fit with the tone of such a devastating scene. that's not stupid at all, it's completely valid criticism. it also has been memed and mocked to death on the internet so i'm sure i'm not the only one.
I heard a while back that Padme didn't quite "lose the will to live," but rather had her life, for lack of a better word, "drained" by Palpatine and siphoned into Anakin in order to keep him alive while he struggled to climb up the molten hill on Mustafar and awaited a rescue from Sidious himself. Though that scene never really bothered me regardless, it gave it a sense of clarity. Moving on to Rise of Skywalker, this idea gave the ending where Kylo siphoned his energy to bring Rey back to life more meaning and clarified that for me as well.
They should’ve used voice modulation to transition from Hayden Christiansen yelling “NOOOOOOOOO!” Into James Earl Jones’s as they place the iconic mask on… almost as if you could audibly hear his decent into the void.. the dark side.
That Noooooo is undoubtedly silly and even worse cuz it's supposed to be a serious scene ..it's grown on me though and it's nowhere near as bad as Young Spock saying Khaaaannnn! In Into Darkness...Episode 3 remains my all time favorite Star Wars Movies..crazy it's been 17 yrs since it hit
The most atrocious part of Leia's space scene is at 5:40 here when the others (who are nowhere near as force sensitive as Leia) open a single door to the vacuum of space to bring her inside and they suffer ZERO ill effects!!
@@warumsindalleso the final battle in "a new hope" without sound, SILENT, would have BEEN FUCKING DULL!!! It would've been a CINEMATIC DISASTER!!! This is CINEMA, dude, NOT reality. It's space adventure meant to entertain an AUDIENCE with great story, great music and GREAT SOUND EFFECTS, and VISUALS. If you want reality, go see a NASA documentary. Tie Fighters, X-Wing fighting with no sound would've been VERY STUPID!!! No one would've liked the movie!!!! LAME + DULL
Yes, Rey claiming the Skywalker name is bad, but the retconning of Rey’s parentage is worse. It’s so ridiculous that all of a sudden, she’s Palpatine’s granddaughter. It’s the Vader reveal all over again, just worse. Rey being a nobody made sense thematically. I could maybe have seen her being a Kenobi, but by making her to be a Palpatine, it makes the entire galaxy feel incredibly small.
Rise should be it's own list. Des Ex Machina Daggers, Knights of Ren, the Sith fleet built out of nowhere, the total lack of payoff when the rebel fleet shows up, the Rey and Ben kiss.
@@denomi39 rise it seemed like they had to give up because 8 was so polarising and they couldn't win. Its a shame. Don't want to see star wars fail but the stories they have come up with have been so bad especially considering how rich the galaxy is with potential
@@maggieaishalee3829 The Mandalorian is great especially if you know the spaghetti westerns that inspired it....Boba fett was shit obi wan is bait and switch shit....and no I don't find it coincidental that they broke cannon to kill the grand inquistor in Obi-Wan it was almost like a giant middle finger to Dave Feloni for being a more talented story teller.
Most of these were fine scenes for me, I'll only complain about one of those picks: Padme did NOT die of sadness. The former apprentice of Darth Plageus the Wise took her Force energy and used it to heal Darth Vader, possibly with the dying Anakin himself also reaching out for her Force energy to survive. The scene cuts directly from Padme dying mysteriously to Vader having survived something that very much should have killed him with the same music still playing. They had already set the precident for Force healing with the Tragedy of Darth Plageus the Wise and made sure we knew Palpatine knew how to create life. Why not death as well, rather than assume something completely out of character for Padme?
@@edocsil1635 it's a reasonable theory with no direct canonical support, only indirect (the Tragedy of Darth Plagious the Wise, Padme's entire personality...)
#10 - I agree. If Padme had to die during childbirth, I think the writers should have taken a different route. They should have said that she died from complications of childbirth. Dying of a broken heart is just too cheesy and cringe-inducing. The fact that she simply gave up the will to live, knowing that her children would be left without both of their biological parents, really doesn't set well with me. #7 - I haven't even watched this movie yet, but I *hate* the fact that Rey would have the gall to declare herself a Skywalker. No, Rey. You are *not* a Skywalker. #4 - Yeah! I didn't need to know how the history behind Han's last name. #2 - While I don't blame Luke for being devastated over his nephew's turn to the Dark Side, I hate that he gave up and exiled himself. I can't stand it when people throw themselves an extended pity party. And it really bothers me that Luke not only gave up and exiled himself, but that he turned his back on the Jedi Order in its entirety.
I agree, it would have been cool to have actually Seen her find a Kyber crystal and Build it herself though, That Scene should have replaced the Rey Jedi Training scene In The beginning
I think I like the idea with what they did with the Duel of the Fates more where she combines the Skywalker saber with her staff and made it double bladed.
But Rey promised Finn they would meet again in force awakens while he was in his coma. Finn sacrificing himself would have caused Rey to break her promise
So, initially, I had a problem with Rey declaring herself "Rey Skywalker." That is, until a few months ago when I got into a discussion with a friend I made a month earlier. He actually really enjoyed that aspect because he held a different perspective of it. He'd had experience with the foster care program and was able to sympathize with identifying with the people who raise/teach you as opposed to your biological parents. Now, when I see that scene with a new light, I find it more touching than disrespectful.
That is my same exact argument. Tho I never have been in foster care, my current last name is someone I never knew. I have been wanting to change it to my step dad's last name. My argument for Rey is always why should she have the last name of someone she didn't even know
Nothing Star Wars does will ever make me quit the franchise entirely but there are a lot of things, in the sequel trilogy especially, that really pissed me off
Padme never asked Jar Jar to do that. He felt the desperation of the sudden threat of the Confederacy was a no-win situation for the galaxy, so he believed proposing emergency powers could've prevented an overthrow of the Republic, ironically. And it's not like he was alone in believing this.
I thought it was just desserts that Jar Jar screwed up. So many people were irritated by him and episode one, that it was good to see him be proved a fool in episode two
@@kscottschaeffer6140 Jar Jar is a tragic figure in Palpatine's scheme. His naivete and fear was shared by the entire Senate. Fans are the biggest Mary Sues of all time. So much self-insertion.
I love how most of the scenes mentioned are from the sequels.. Most of the prequel scenes aren't even that bad and could easily replaced by far worse sequel scenes. Jar Jar asking for emergency rights is something i never worried about - it's a a great way to give some purpose to the "comedic relief", makes logically sense and is satisfying enough as a part of palpatines plot against the republic. "I don't like sand" is such an unimportant scene - it doesn't really ruin anything. Sure it's awkward, but atleast funny in some way. Vaders "No" wasn't brilliant, i'll give you that - but it doesn't justify rank #1. Especially since his Ep6 "No" was far worse. Padme dying from sadness is aweful on it's own, but you can find satifying enough explanations outside of the movies. It's still bad from a narrative perspective and definitely deserves to be called "bad". I think the all-time worst scene from star wars is the "holdo maneuver". Although visually amazing, like most of the sequels, it's just such universe breaking scene, as it ruins EVERY star wars movie before and after that. Apparently, one little ship can completely obliterate and entire fleet. Why not HM the Death Star? Why not HM the Malevolence? Why not HM any existing threat? It's basically a quick and easy "delete" button for anything in exitence. And NO, it being a "1 in a million" shot isn't a valid explanation.
Holdo is probably the absolute worst character ever. I can't even look at the actress anymore without contempt because of that trash movie and character
The kiss from Rose felt a bit forced. Especially since in the first film Finn was trying to impress Ray by telling her that he was part of the resistance after asking her if she had a boyfriend.
I liked it better when the first new film hinted that Finn & Rey would be a thing. Force Awakens was good. But the other 2 after it couldn't be nearly as close...
Really that's the only part of the scene that bothered me, if it wasn't for the forced romance I'd not mind the scene at all (cause I pay attention to the film and it's clear that finn's suicide run wouldn't have worked, plus it's the end of his arc over the two films, this is just after he's fully committed and he's going to the extreme and needs to be pulled back a bit).
Palpatine using Jar Jar to get his emergency powers was pure genius. Great manipulation of a weak minded character and set up by Palps trying to kill Padme so he could get her out of the senate where she would have opposed him in that instance.
Can we also acknowledge how they missed an opportunity to introduce cool new characters in the form of the Knights of Ren? They looked so cool in one of the visions in the Force Awakens but didn't show up practically at all until the Rise of Skywalker and were done in pretty quickly/easily by Kylo. They should've fleshed out the Knights of Ren more and made them more of a challenge or something
Maybe that was something Abrams had between VII and IX, but with Johnson taking over it seems like almost half (or all) of the intervening details that were meant to link those films became weird and confusing. They're briefly seen in a flashback during Episode VII and then they're only really shown in Episode IX
They had literal melee weapons. Made of metal. In Star Wars. There’s so many reasons that dumb if you aren’t fighting a man with a lightsaber but when you’re fighting a Sith Lord what the mustafar were they thinking?
The Disney trilogy made the prequels more of a masterpiece. Making Rey a Skywalker was an insult to injury, killing the three main legendary characters because Darth Kennedy hated these was a catastrophe, and the bad dialogues were cringe-worthy.
it wasn't a problem of making rey a "skywalker" the problem is how it happened, if they wanted to do that, they had to build up from the start, instead they started doing this at the "end" of ep8 and the ep9 there was no plan
The mental parkour prequel lovers go through. “Good by comparison” is not “good”. The prequels are incredibly flawed, they just end with their best foot forward and have a relatively cohesive narrative (which is propped up by superior supporting material like Clone Wars). They are certainly not a masterpiece, an the fumbling of Disney does not make them better.
The thing I hated the most is that they made Rey connect with the force so fast. It requires years of training to be a jedi and use the force rightly but she mastered it as soon as she got the lightsaber and decided to be a jedi. Even Luke and Anakin had to train and they had the most potentials in the galaxy. They wanted to make Rey so powerful but how they wanted to do it was so bad. Also Rey could never surpass the Skywalkers
It wasn't very well done, but Rey wasn't *that* powerful right away or even after several months of training (see the lightsaber choreography that everyone complains about), and she had several months of training as Leia's padawan (we never find out how much training Luke got).
@@martalaatsch8358 yeah but she invented force healing and she beat kylo ren in her first time picking up a lightsaber, which takes away the threat and intimidation of him
@@ssuperman123 she wasn't the first to Force heal, she was just good at it. And Kylo is threatening enough already, him being powerful is not the point of his character
@@martalaatsch8358 but if she defeats the main bad guy in the first movie, where is the threat? they don't hint to snoke or to Palpatine in force awakens
@@ssuperman123 I'm not sure defeating Kylo was ever supposed to be the point of the sequels. He is kind of the main character. The First Order itself and its big weapons is the threat
For #10, I think its more to imply that Palpatine drained Padme's "life energy" to save Anakins. Not only just to save the apprentice he worked hard to manipulate, but also increase his hate and willingness to fully embrace the dark side. However it's really only speculative, and they could've done a better job explaining it.
It is only speculative, but it still would have made much more sense than saying that a healthy woman (who at one point was willing to fight a war by herself when the Republic wouldn't provide support) could die of a broken heart in less than a week and ask for a DNR, even over her psychotic manchild husband who turned the galaxy upside-down because he supposedly thought it would save her and even tried to kill her for the same reason.
“They could have done a better job explaining it” could sum up the entire prequels lol. I loved em but still, it’s only because I actually know what George Lucas was going for that it makes sense. And they look cool sue me XD
@@kamentrainerhorn2073 & Chaser & Oedo Gaming I don't know how you guys can miss the mark so badly. Padme loved Anakin. He was her entire family pretty much (We only saw her parents at Padme's funeral). He was the father of her children. He turned into a monster that slaughtered children and helped create a new empire, something she steadfastly opposed. Hope was gone. Her world had crumbled into nothingness. Living and fighting is the last thing you want to do when that happens. Anyone who has experienced true loss knows that. Do you think Palpatine was just hanging around Polis Massa (where Luke and Leia were born, not on Mustafar where Vader was burned) just to do some life transfer? Do you think the Emperor would let Obi-Wan escape with the children if he knew where they were? To act like it was Palpatine sucking the life out of Padme to give to Vader is not only completely nonsensical, but plain disrespectful.
0:46 Lost the Will to Live 1:51 Rose Saves Finn 2:47 Jar Jar Gives Palpatine Emergency Powers 4:00 Rey Skywalker 4:51 Leia Flies in Space 5:44 Somehow, Palpatine Returned 6:50 Han's Name 7:52 Sand 8:37 Luke Throws his Lightsaber Away 10:36 NOOOOOOOO!
#10 Valid: Force choking should’ve been explained #9 Would be valid had Kelly not been bullied off social media #8 Valid #7 Half valid but who would want to keep the name of a Sith Lord? #6 Actually funny & cool & in someway actually would tie into the Jedi evolving into the Skywalker had people given Rian a chance & if Carrie was still alive #5 Valid with wording & should’ve just gone more in depth over Palpatine’s cloning history even if it ended up flying over audiences heads more than Transformers comic book or animated show source material that Revenge of the Fallen used #4 Valid but shouldn’t have been too triggering #3 Valid #2 He did eventually explain why & honestly, that one was on fans who now have to see for “their Luke” deep faked back to them. Congratulations “not my Luke” squad, you played yourselves #1 Valid
@@davidlance5310 #9 Oof yeah, Kelly Marie Tran definitely didn't deserve what happened to her, despite my feelings on Rose and Finn's relationship. #8 I feel that Palpatine, being a master of improvisation as he is, would have found a way to gain emergency powers sooner or later, through one Senator or another; Jar-Jar's naivety simply made it easier and quicker for him to do it. #7 _Especially_ with a name as reviled as Palpatine, yeah. Unless they're as evil as he is, I really doubt one would even _want_ to be distantly related to him, much less bear his family name.
Padme died probably because her life force was given to Vader through the dark side. Saying she lost the will to live is somewhat a layman's term to it. I always interpreted it this way. A life for a life. Isn't that always the way (of things)?
For me, it would have to be when Uncle Luke ignited his lightsaber to murder his own his nephew, in particular the line “Snoke had already turned his heart”, which I don’t think enough people talk about. It was that line that took me out of it as it raises the question of how and when did Snoke corrupt Ben, as according to the sentence Snoke had already turned Ben. That and Ben’s decision to destroy Luke’s Jedi Temple and either slaughter or corrupt Luke’s other students raises the question of how Ben was beforehand as a Jedi student (namely how he felt towards the other students) to make such a decision, was it a hard choice in case they were friends with him or did he actually hate all of the other students. I understand why Ben did it, he hated Uncle Luke for Luke’s massive betrayal of contemplating murdering him in his sleep, but the New Trilogy kept pushing how Ben was conflicted so I think whether or not his purge of the New Jedi Order was a difficult or easy decision for him could have served as an indicator of what his sense of right and wrong are. Plus, admittedly, there was my own biases, such as my strong belief that Luke had known Ben since Ben’s birth (he was named after Obi-wan’s pseudonym from when Luke knew him so that’s a strong indicator Luke also named him) and Luke has a strong attachment to family (Uncle Owen and Aunt Beth’s deaths motivated Luke to fight the Empire and despite all that Vader did to him and his friends, he still devoted all of his efforts to save and redeem him), so him even considering murdering a child he has a familial connection with seems too much of a stretch for me. Another bias I have is based on Luke’s depiction in the Legends stories, a big part of his character in the Legends story was influenced by his quest to redeem Darth Vader in Episode 6, that he honestly and sincerely believed that no one is beyond redemption, no matter how evil (though he will still cut the heads off of villains if they still choose to kill others after being offered the choice for redemption); so the popular consensus is that Legends!Luke would have reacted to sensing “Ben’s darkness building up” with a “How do reach this kid? How do I help him?”
That's what I keep telling people, they destroyed Luke's character on the Disney sequels. I've always thought of Luke as a Grey jedi, he isn't hampered by the jedi code, he knows emotions won't necessarily lead to the dark side. I think he was also mischaracterized on the mandalorian, making groug choose between becoming a jedi or his love for mando. I refuse to acknowledge the sequels as canon and there's so much more wrong with them. I can't believe they didn't mention the hyperspace bs too.
Rian Johnson used the unreliable narrator trope on this one. Depending on who's telling the story (Luke or Ben), there are differences. One thing that I think never got adressed after RotJ was the burden of Vader's crimes unto Luke's shoulders. He might've redeemed Vader but I doubt people wouldn't look at the offspring of Vader without revenge in mind.
IMO, it would have been better if Luke was actually just checking up on his nephew newly built lightsaber to see his progress. And then he was surprised to see the reddish hue of the lightsaber. Ben woke up at that time and thought his uncle was either going to strike him down or took his lightsaber away and retaliate.
I've heard Mark Hamill himself argued against it. He said it wasn't in Luke's character. I mean he saved his father Vader the most feared and hated man in the universe. But ultimately Mark had no choice in the matter.
I've heard Mark Hamill himself argued against it. He said it wasn't in Luke's character. I mean he saved his father Vader the most feared and hated man in the universe. But ultimately Mark had no choice in the matter.
Suprised the entire ending for The Rise of Skywalker wasn't included. Snook's death also felt stupid since we hardly knew anything about him before he got off'ed.
I could care less for Snoke. He always felt like he was trying to be a carbon copy of Emperor Palpatine in The Force Awakens. Trust me, 20 years from now Snoke will be forgotten while Andy Serkis’ other motion capture characters like Gollum and Caesar will still be remembered and live on.
@@usuckthereturn Whenever I hear that “Snoke died too soon” complaint I try to remind them that the Emperor was not even -mentioned*- in the original STAR WARS, had only one scene as a hologram in EMPIRE, and is suddenly revered as the galactic ruler in JEDI with no talk of who he is, where did he come from, or why/how anything. People didn’t learn his backstory until the prequels. _*edited with strike through correction_
One of my main problems was with revealing too much far too early. Revealing who Kylo Ren's parents were too early in the film was a let down. They should have built that up a bit, have us guessing and wondering. When it was announced the crew that started it all would be back together again I had visions of seeing Luke, Han, The Princess and Chewy all on the Falcon or together in some great nostalgic battle scenes. They ruined that dream for me.
I always thought Padme died because of the emperor, like the emperor intentionally kills her using the dark side of the force, that wasn't known to many since the dark side of the force is a pathway to many abilities some consider to be unnatural. Because the emperor wants Vader and he wants him to feel the hate and anger.
That makes absolutely no sense if you have any sort of knowledge of Star Wars. Padme gave birth on Polis Massa (not Mustafar where Vader burned) in the company of Obi-Wan Kenobi. If Palpatine were there to suck the life out of Padme, he wouldn't just let Kenobi escape with the children. That theory is a load of tripe thought up by *more Rons*.
Bruh, Vader’s “NOOO” is the sound of a man who lost everything. His wife, his future son (as far as he knows), his potential, his friend… he threw away his life for nothing, now in constant pain both phisically and mentally. Decieved by a man that made him into a slave again… yet his only “friend”. He has nothing else to live for. What did you expect him to say besides that? What did you expect him to do? It’s a seriously overhated scene
I actually really enjoyed Darth Vader's "NOOOOOOOO!" moment from ROTS. It showed how emotional he was when he realized that his actions lead to Padme's death instead of preventing it. The first issue of the "Darth Vader: Dark Lord of the Sith" comic book series also gave this moment more meaning.
Lets be honest the entire 2nd film of the sequels was a punch in the face of the Star Wars community. The 3rd tried to cater to the greater community whilst trying to fix the 2nd film's mistakes. That along with poor dialogue writing, makes episode 9 seem like a fever dream you'd have after watching episode 8.
Honestly you can just put the entire Rise Of Skywalker on this list. I loved that they made Rey just and ordinary person in The Last Jedi. I thought it was a great idea that anyone could be a potential Jedi and that you didn’t have to just be related to someone to have the power, but nope! Rise of Skywalker ruined everything that The Last Jedi set up for us. The Last Jedi wasn’t perfect, but at least they tried something new, but I have so many issues with Disney Star Wars it’s not even worth my breath
Bro are you crazy!? The last jedi sucked so bad that the rise of Skywalker had to go in and fix everything!! We are lucky for what they did because no not just any random person can use the force, that's utter BS. You have to have a lot of mediclorians and be strong in the force to become a jedi or sith. So I'm happy they redid the trash of the last jedi. It literally made no sense and you wonder why it's the worse star wars movie ever created. You can't call yourself a star wars fan the way you are speaking, just any random person can be a jedi lol that's crazy and not at all what George Lucas said.
@@jasonbrad3194 I absolutely hate The Last Jedi too, but I do agree with jwood on Rey being from nobody special. Let's be real, they built that up more than ReY pAlPaTiNe
As a lifelong Star Wars fan- I was three and my Brother was four when we were taken to see the first film in 1977- nothing, not even the myriad mistakes made by Disney, will destroy my love for this franchise. That said, while sure a lot of the Prequel dialogue was cringeworthy, it’s more hilarious than “rage quit” inducing. In my opinion, anyway. To me, the most infuriating decisions come from the Sequel Trilogy and most (if not all) of these were rightfully criticized by Mark Hamill himself: • The complete tonal shift of the Eternal Optimist Luke Skywalker • Separating Han and Leia • Finn and Rose’s ridiculous jaunt to Planet I-Don’t-Give-A-Fuck-What-It’s-Called with the flightless Trico ripoffs (a video game character from The Last Guardian) • Finn and Rey bearing witness to, and mourning, Kylo’s patricide of Han Solo instead of Luke and Leia. Yes, Chewbacca was there, but this leads to what I think should have been number one on this list: *ABSOLUTELY NO SCENES WITH LUKE, LEIA AND HAN TOGETHER… AT ALL!!* Imagine growing up with these iconic characters, anticipating their return to the big screen after thirty-two years only to see Luke abandon his sister and best friend and never seeing the three of them onscreen together… *WHAT… THE ABSOLUTE… FUCK?!* Say what you want about Star Trek V (I’m a big fan of this franchise as well), but at least the Star Trek films continued to showcase *THEIR* Iconic Trio: Kirk, Spock and McCoy!
You have Kathleen Kennedy to thank for the originals not having any scenes all together- she left them on the cutting room floor. Star Trek's original 3 all stayed together because they didn't have Kathleen Kennedy in there to mess it up.
“Ruin” is the perfect over exaggeration word Star Wars fan would us. I agree, most of these are bad, but you can still love something and criticize it. People gotta chill.
Hey, everyone! It’s the lone representative for ALL Star Wars fans! 😂 Sarcasm aside, If “ruin” doesn’t apply to YOU, then why do you approach this list as if it was made for YOU? Perhaps, it is YOU who should chill.
The fact that George Lucas had a whole battle plan made for the sequels and Disney just disregarded it pisses me off so much. They basically spat in his face.
It still amazes ne that people don't understand Padme's death. I guess the Droid should have said "medically, she is perfectly healthy, but Palpatine used that power to save life that he and Anakin spoke about earlier to drain Padme's life force and give it to a dying Anakin" for the sake of fans.
Wasn't it assumed that Palpatine cloned himself at some point? So that was his clone, not the original? Rey should have just said "Just Rey." Would have been better. Leia should have died when she went out into space, would have been more impactful. I think in general, The Last Jedi and Rise of Skywalker had good ideas, but it was clear the entire trilogy was not written all at once and things were just written as each movie got released. One of the worst ways they could have done it because that's EXACTLY how it feels. Brutal.
I’ve always thought Vader’s yell would’ve been great if it was just a scream and the room got destroyed by his Force abilities instead of the word “No”. Him being at a loss for words entirely would’ve better expressed the tragedy.
He had been there for a long time and had closed himself off from the force- plus she's Palpatine's grand daughter added she kinda took him by surprise---
It’s like someone lost his parents at a young age. Just because an old friend of them mentioned, “That painting is amazing! Your parents used to admire it,” the person replied with “Don’t talk about my parents!”
Killing off the original trio Han, Luke, and Leia were unforgivable in the sequel trilogy. That’s what ruined it for me. Like it insulted their legacies, especially Luke’s. He still feels significant in the story. Introducing the new characters like Rey and Finn, but I think the writers underutilized them.
Okay, being peeved with killing off Luke, that I understand. I feel like he could have been written and explored better in this trilogy than what we get, and especially with Mark Hamill still around and willing to. Han being killed, however, has always came off as an inevitability to me, due to one reason: Harrison Ford's opinions. Ford has always made it clear that he considered Han's character arc to be completed by the end of the original trilogy, and thus needed to die to fully serve his purpose. With that in mind, killing Han off seemed the best way to go, and I think they were justified in thinking that way. As for Leia... I honestly don't think they had much of a choice. She was _meant_ to have a starring role in The Rise of Skywalker, the way Han did in The Force Awakens and Luke did in The Last Jedi. But Carrie Fisher died when people _least_ expect her to. With her death, the writers were basically stuck at two big choices: use whatever deleted footage they have left to try and complete Leia's story and then kill her off to save them further trouble in the future, which would royally piss people off (for obvious reasons); or they could just not have her appear in the film at all, which would also royally piss people off (what with this being the finale of the Skywalker saga and all). Stuck between a rock and a hard place, so to speak, and I could honestly understand why they picked the former option; Fisher's passing was obviously not their fault, and they had to work with what little they could get.
Leia's understandable, given the circumstances...BUT I remember when Carrie passed they were adamant they wouldn't put her in what would eventually become RoS....yet they did anyway.
@@DavidHutchinson0713 Exactly! Luke’s story is still significant, especially towards assisting Rey. Killing him off was a lousy move. I understand it was inevitable for Han, yet for Leia? Why kill her off onscreen? They could’ve just left her as is and continue forward.
@@thecunninlynguist I think when Lucasfilm made that statement, they were still unsure about where to go with Leia. They clearly knew they were not going to be able to do what they had planned to do. But as I said, they're fucked either way with just about anything they could have done. For what it's worth, I do think they would have gone through with not putting Leia at all had Fisher's relatives asked them to scrap any appearance (which they didn't do).
I feel like Leia didn't need to die out of all them but I get they felt like they needed to do that. I think it would be better to keep her alive as to say her legacy is living on in Star Wars. Harrison wanted Han to die so they had no choice but I wish he sacrificed himself instead of allowing his son to just stab him. Luke I actually liked his death by having him look at the two suns. At least Lando survived so theres that
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3PO reseting himself
Fucking riding horses in space ON SPACESHIPS
The one thing I sorta hated was the ending to The Rise of Skywalker because It would've been interesting to see All the Jedi return as Force Ghosts to confront Sidious and the ending will show Rey calling herself, Rey Kenobi.
Luke milking the sea cow. 🤦🏼♀️
Jedi Rocks
and the infamous Han shot first at greedo thing
I can’t believe you thought I’d be more upset about Vader yelling “Nooooo” than Palpatine coming back
Exactly
Wasn't there always contingencies plans in case of palpatine's death so he could always be brought back? Idk if I read that before episode 9 but it wasn't a thing that bothered me
Ditto, yes the No is stupid but come on the sequels have so many more stupid moments. Revenge of the Sith is easily the best modern Star Wars film
@@Valeriamtzp sequels are NOT CANNON
@@Valeriamtzp in the legends books, he has clones or w.e to transfer his spirit or w.e to
The biggest thing that got me upset at Rey "Skywalker" was according to Daisy, the writers were going back and forth about what Rey's origins were going to be through out the entire filming process. They didn't decide on Skywalker until the last moment. Details like that need to be finalized before day 1 of filming.
Then again, pretty sure some of the OT's biggest twists, like Darth Vader = Anakin Skywalker, and Leia being Luke's sister, weren't Day 1 twists either, so.
Besides, she has no reason to keep Palpatine's surname, either, considering the man's atrocities; doing so would likely make her a pariah. That happened with Leia a few years prior when her relation to Darth Vader was outed to the public, after all.
they NEVER had a plan for this trilogy. None. Zero.
That's my main issue with the sequels. They should've had a plan of some kind before starting. While I have my issues with the prequels, at least Lucas had some idea of what he wanted to do.
@@ShunsuiHitsugaya I didn't say "Day 1" as in from the start of writing. I said Day 1 of "Filming". By that point, key details like Vader being Luke's father are finished.
It's okay to keep secrets to prevent spoilers, or help with reaction for the shot. But Scripts and lines should be done before the very first time anyone says: Action! And according to Daisy in an interview, that didn't happen. Rey's name was changed multiple times, even while they were still filming.
@DS 616 With an all caps statement, you better work in one of those two industries.
I find it so odd how much people hate the “Sand” line. To me, it was always a line to show that subconsciously Anakin hates any and everything associated to Tattooine, since he was enslaved there. It was never about sand itself, it was about how much he hated his life when he lived with it.
It wasn’t a great line, but it wasn’t as bad as people make it out to be.
Agree, always seemed to me, quite understandable.
Its not the "I hate sand" that was funny.. It was the follow up "Its rough, course and it gets everywhere!" Lines
I don’t hate it but it’s completely pointless. We already realize Vader hates the sand people, tantooine and where it comes from.
I was 14 when AotC came out. Even at that age I saw every one of his flit attempts as a giant cringe. It isn't the fact he hates sand. It's that he uses all of that to flirt with Padme...
What annoys me more is that people think that line is him flirting with her. It’s the next line that is him actually flirting. And him being bad at flirting is veeery on point. He’s someone who’s never flirted before. Hasn’t even talked to a crush before. And he isn’t allowed to anyway. He’s going to be awkward.
Luke throwing away his light saber and princess Leia floating in space were the two worst things for me easily.
They can't even get the button placment on Luke's lightsaber right man! Disney is a fucking joke
For me it was Rey using the light source of the force to keep kylo alive
That is the whole reason Anakin turned into Vader was to save padmé if he could have fine that as a Jedi then the prequel would have been the only movies needed
Rey was honestly my biggest issue with the whole franchise
Remember, Leia is the daughter of The Chosen One so she has abilities that other Jedi and Force users lack.
Same for me, I will never forgive rian johnson for putting those scenes in my head
@@EpicJoshua314that could apply to literally anything, they had tons of possibilities and yet they chose to do the goofiest thing they could imagine, it didn't look cool
Jar Jar proposing emergency powers for Palpatine actually made sense to me. Considering he's kind of stupid and easily manipulated, I could see how Palpatine kind of mind tricked him.
God dangit jar jar 🤣
@@the_hyrulean_super_saiyan no it's Darth Jar Jar
You think that was on accident? Darth Jar Jar, the Force God planned all of this from the beginning.
Yea it was just Darth jar jar that elected emergency powers, honestly I don’t even know why it should be in this video
He’s also just the man who literally proposed it, he didn’t write it and he wasn’t even the only one doing the proposing. Dude was the spokesperson for a whole committee of senators and representatives who had the same idea and they just chose him probably because he could be blamed.
"Somehow, Palpatine returned" - the issue I had with this wasn't the "somehow," it was the fact they brought Palpatine back. It completely undermined *everything* in the saga. Luke's confrontation of Palpatine in Episode VI? Meaningless. Vader's sacrifice to destroy Palpatine and be literally the "Return of the Jedi?" Pointless. Anakin Skywalker being the subject of the prophecy? *Shrug* Doesn't matter.
The entirety of the original trilogy and the prequel trilogy was rendered pointless by bringing back Palpatine. I didn't mind Episodes VII and VIII, though both had their issues. However, IX was just obnoxious.
It's like they were saying palpating brought order to the force and the skywalkers didn't even need to exist
I had nothing against Darth Sidious coming back just could've been handled a lot better
this
Plus George Lucas stated papaltine was no more after ROTJ
Palpatine in the rise of skywalker was a clone and how he is still alive way before he died he secretley made clones of himself so when he died from anakin throwing him throwing him to his death he used essence tranfer which only sith can do
Most of these being in the newer movies is actually sort of sad. Disney messed up. And got extremely lucky with properties like Rogue One and Mando.
With Dave Filoni and Jon Favreau helming Mandalorian, it was not luck, it's good decision.
Though I'm not sure whether Dave Filoni is up to direct full feature live action movie yet.
Rouge one was the only new star wars movie that makes sense lol.
@@jordanposvar3616 I think episode 7 did an okay job at setting up the new trilogy... it just went to shit afterwards.
So, true. The last trilogy was nothing more than copying the original 3 film and hoping nobody realizes that.
Clone wars season 7 was a masterpiece
Strange enough, I actually thought that the line about Sand by Anakin is one of the most powerful, and heart-wrenching lines in the prequels. It highlighted the contrast of the life of this couple and how they are fated even from birth to end up in tragic separation. To Padme who grew up with a silver spoon in the mouth as a princess, sand means fun and lots of beautiful memory with friends. In contrast, to Anakin who grew up as a slave who didn't even have a father, sand means harshness, sufferings, hardship and loneliness. The same object can mean two different things to two different person. To Padme, sand means beautiful beaches. but to Anakin, sand means desert and barrenness. But then again, may be it's just me...
never thought about it like that, but i like your interpretation.
I've always seen it as a _very_ awkward teenager who desperately tries to say something profound to hit on a girl he is crushing on, but who have almost never tried to hit on to any girls before (except "are you an angel"-line from Eps1) and have even less of a clue of what he is doing that most of us did when we were that young.
Had they given Anakin a line like that, something pointing out what you just said, that moment would’ve hit very differently
damn this actually makes a lot of sense lmao
I thought it was a great line because of how awkward it was. Anakin is a space wizard prodigy born in a galactic backwater being indoctrinated into an order of celibate warrior monks . Makes total sense he would have trouble trying to flirt with a princess and it therefore highlights his infatuation and the underlying emotional sincerity.
well while i totally agree with you, i think youre missing WHY it's bad. for me, it's not that the context is bad, it's the fact that they romanticized that part and made it out to be a very stale romance scene with very dry dialogue.
I didn’t think Vader yelling No, was a bad scene. It showed his emotions of losing Pademe, realizing that his very actions of trying to stop her death actually caused her death.
The Marvel Vader comic (the 2017 one) definitely help make the "No!" scene even more meaningful.
It just sounded weird that's it honestly. But I found it kinda funny
Certainly wasn't as bad as any of the sequel trilogy 's lesser moments, imo
I think they’re scared of having a Disney-made scene at number 1 because yknow agendas
It just sounds incredibly hokey and comedic, which is not what Vader is normally associated with. Plus it takes away from the seriousness of the scene
The No scene definitely isn't the worst. The complete betrayal of Luke's character is the single worst thing.
Luke Skywalker was quite plain in the original trilogy, he never has been greater as a character than in The last Jedi. There is nothing out of sense. He's depressed and feeling out of place, and then Rey makes him recover his force, figting for the last time before he dies happy and proud.
@@jaju984are you insane? someone has to be insane to actually think that. want to know how i know this? even mark hamill hates what the sequels did to luke. what the sequels did is unforgivable
Big one for me is Luke considering, even for a second, about killing his own nephew. Not talking about the fears of the dark side with him or his parents (Luke's sister and best friend). Nope straight to "can I kill him in his sleep"?
This is the same Luke who continued to see good in a father he had never met except as the second to a evil galactic dictator. A man who had repeated killed Rebel soldiers and pilots, kidnapped his friends, chopped of his hand and helped blow up planets.
Would have been so much better that Luke was only there to check up on Ben's newly built lightsaber. Caught a bit of guard to see that it was very dark orange almost red color.
Ben woke up and came to the wrong conclusion that Luke was going to attack him or took away his lightsaber and retaliate immediately.
And while he wasn't Vader, also killed plenty of children and others 😬
never thought of this. great point.
Facts!
Yeah I agree having Luke try to kill Ben Solo instead of trying to redeem him felt way out of character. I think it would've been better if Ben aka Kylo Ren had already been turned to the dark side by Snoke and slaughtered Luke's Jedi padawans before trying to kill Luke, but Luke briefly givens in to grief stricken rage (like he did with Darth Vader in Return of the Jedi) and tries to kill Kylo Ren after he killed his padawans. But Luke hesitates to kill him after seeing that he almost gave in to the dark side and tries to redeem Kylo Ren but he refuses and instead deems Luke as "weak just like Ben Solo was." And Kylo Ren escapes becoming Snoke's apprentice and leader of the Knights of Ren.
Mark Hamill was right when he said, Luke Skywalker would never, ever give up. He would not have gone to recluse on a deserted island/planet to hide from his past. He would have confronted it and found a way to overcome.
Yet, Mark Hamill took money and sold his soul to Disney.... so fk him too.
Isn’t that what obi wan and yoda did tho ? They were very powerful jedis and they went into hiding for 20 years while the empire probably did countless evils
Let's be honest, the sequel trilogy could have made this entire list on its own.
Yes, but WatchMojo is Disney's fkin slave.
That's why it focused on Prequels, despite everyone hates Disney's flip outs the most - just look at votes, read some opinions - it's everywhere.
Haha indeed 🤣
Add Boba and Kenobi
Nah if you think the prequels are better than the sequels you’re kidding yourself. I can name many reasons… I’ll just say jar jar binks to start.
you're right!
The moment where Palpatine tells Rey “I am all the sith,” and she responds with “And l am all the Jedi,” really took me out of the movie because they were basically the same final lines between Thanos and Iron Man in Endgame, which had just come out just a few months before ROS. They're both owned by Disney so this has always seemed weird to me.
@Wes Bradley-Taubner it is a rip off
@Wes Bradley-Taubner
They spend half of the movie looking for something related to the villain
Theres a big fight scene at the end with the heroes appearing moments before they lose (portals scene and/or the “But there are more of us Poe” scene)
I am Inevitable, and I am Iron man…
I am all the sith, and I… I am all the Jedi
@Wes Bradley-Taubner well I see you have some strong arguments but you are forgetting a couple things. Disney owns both films, so they can obviously take ideas from each other. And well you might say that that isn’t copying, thats just taking the same ideas considering it was around the same time, right? Well no. KK had fired a lot of writers and directors for TROS, one of them being the same guy who made Jurassic World and the script was very different from Avengers Endgame. But after the film got finished (not released), KK found JJ Abrams once (from TFA) again who funnily enough copied almost everything about Endgame.
In an interview with Daisy Ridley, she actually exposed the directors saying they never had a plan and that the movies were rushed. I could totally see the possibility of JJ Abrams seeing Endgame before it got released and copying everything from it.
@@PatoChu LOL yas queen
@Wes Bradley-Taubner endgame was a good movie, rise of skywalker was one of the worst movies ive ever seen in a theater.
It would've been easier to explain Padme's death by saying she died from pregnancy complications combined with the trauma of Anakin's force choke.
Exactly. Instead, she chose to give up. That means that she also chose to leave her children behind, knowing that they would be left without *both* of their biological parents. Her death scene would have been more acceptable to me if she had fought to live. If not for herself, then for her children.
Actually it is possible to die from lack of will to live.
Or any other death except that she just gave up on life. Then same thing kinda happens to Leia too like is this some stupid thing that happens only to the Skywalkers lol.
@@Chocobear555 Facts!
@@Chocobear555 Okay that is simply not fair. Padmé wasn't in an emotionally stable position because guess what, SHE WAS DYING. Added to that fact that her pregnancy made things even harder for her. You make it sound like she chose to lose the will to live when she had no control whatsoever.
3:20 : The scene when Jar Jar proposes that the senate gives emergency powers to Palpatine would have made much more sense, if only they hadn't canceled the Darth Jar Jar plot. Just look at his yellow eyes and his smile when the senate approves his decision...
If he had returned it in ROS with Jar Jar instead of Palpatine
Anakin's awkwardness always felt natural to me at least. He hasn't seen Padme for like 10 years and as such, doesn't really know how to talk to her. I knew I was going to hate TLJ as soon as Luke threw the lightsaber behind him. It felt like a slap in the face to the ending of TFA and RoS is an insult to the film industry.
The whole sequel trilogy is an insult to Star Wars as a whole in my opinion
I also hate sand.
No but honestly I never hated the line, it's a strong link to Tatooine and all the bad memories from that place. All the bad memories he has from the sandplanet.
@@donder91 Exactly. Some "fans" don't understand metaphor.
I also agree that Anakin's awkwardness was on point. He's hopped up on hormones for all his teen life, his dream girl is right next to him, he knows there's something between them even after a decade of separation, so his attempt at romance is altogether new. He's no old smoothie like Lando Calrissian.
Stop
Agreed.
I loved the scene where Jar Jar proposed emergency powers. He's the definition of a useful idiot.
Isn't that just how it is in real life?
As seen at most college campuses
I thought it was a very good scene
When asked for her name, Rey really should have said "...Just Rey." with a smile. Showing that she no longer felt like she needed a family to give her purpose, and that she's ready to make her own name be the thing that matters for her.
Disney: We dont do that here
Their idea of powerful woman is only if she feeds on a story and background that its not hers and exclusively if its from something formerly popularly known and loved by its own merits. They must be very powerful if their only way to gain power is by clinging to something and someone else’s trade mark 😉
YES
That’s EXACTLY what I thought when I saw that dumb movie!
That’d would’ve actually been great, but at that point I didn’t care 😂
The whole sequel trilogy is a mess and should never be considered canon!
According to George Lucas’s own words, the entire point of 1-6 is that Anakin was the chosen one and by destroying both himself and Palpatine he brought balance to the force.
So to me, “Somehow, Palpatine returned” shows a complete lack of understanding of what the entire thing is.
Another that piss me, and most other fans, about the Rey Skywalker, is that Ahsoka deserves to inherit the Skywalker names more. They could said that Ahsoka decided to add Skywalker to her name to honor her master; after all Anakin and Padme basically raise her
Well your opinion is quite interesting
Another thing that I would point out is that in her initial debut, Ashoka was NOT a liked character. So in response Dave Filoni took the criticism to heart and made the character a fan favorite throughout the show. Kathleen Kennedy on the other hand read the Rey criticism and said "Fuck you fans! You'll like this character and live with it.
@@OscarMPG1 yes
Asoka Skywalker Tano has a nice ring to it
@@OscarMPG1 sounds about right
The very fact the sequel trilogy made this list 5 times shows how much Disney dropped the ball with Star Wars.
Yes so very true unfortunately 😖
6 times
Total trash.
Yeah,
Disney really did so much worse things with Star Wars than George Lucas did with the prequel trilogy.
The shows doing all the heavy carrying
At least deserves a dishonorable mention: Last Jedi, Luke milking that sea creature and drinking its milk. Leaving in that scene and deleting when he senses Han is dead.
How do we know that was milk?😂🤢
@@dnapolyace6342 Ew.
I like how Luke made a face like "Want some?".
They could have filled the list with Last Jedi alone. It was so bad they had to spend most of ROS retconning it.
Oddly that was the only scene I didn't hate.
The issue I take with is bringing back Palpatine. There was no need for that. In a galaxy that was unexplored for the most part. How about battling dark force users from the unknown regions?
I can put up with the prequel gripes, because for the most part, they feel minor. "The sand" and the "NOoooo" parts are just minuscule compared to the whole character assassination and the breaking of lore and logic that goes on in the sequel trilogy.
The worst part is that that thing is canonized and any post-empire project is now forced sub-exist in that space between the original and the sequel trilogies.
Lore lore lore.
I feel my fellow fans need to use a multitude of language choices here, lest they sound like fundamentalists.
I'd rather watch the prequel over the sequel any day
@Hence Fernande actually, I was hoping some would use Ubese.
@Hence Fernande the language bounty hunter Leia in RotJ speaks. Lol
Screw the sequels, Star Wars Legends is a canon for me. So much more interesting.
The "Nooooooo" to me came off as the last dying cries of Anakin as he passed on and became Darth Vader, it makes it quit fitting when he says it again as at the very end of his life, he becomes Anakin once more when he saves Luke. I always chalked up Padame dying as one last dastardly deed of Palpatine to guarantee pushing Vader over the edge by taking the very essence of Padames life sort of an exchange for Vader to live on. As for sand, I always found that one obvvious, it adds more to the truly tragic life of Anakin. For most, they relate sand to beaches, relaxation, vacation, and joy. Anakin, because of his upbringing, relates sand to deserts, slavery, trapping, and grief.
NOoooOooOOoo
You missed a major one. Holdo using light speed to crash into the first order ships chasing them in episode 8. So terrible. Punches holes all through out star wars lore as well. Why not use light speed with unmanned ships on Death Star 1,2 & star killer base? Why not use unmanned light speed ships in all space combat? This was just decided to be used now? This could have been used for several battles to end them much quicker.
Exactly what I was thinking.
"No, no, he's got a point"
Apparently it's because it only has a 1 in a million chance of actually working
@@holedestroyer15 but somehow it just so happens to work this one time to destroy multiple Star destroyers/cruisers? 🤔
Several points as to why no
Holdo does it in a desperate attempt to sacrifice her life to save the resistance.
How many in the rebellion/resistance ready to do as well?
You there saying "oh they could have done it so many times like it's that simple" except everytime you wanna do this you still need to find at least one pilot ready to sacrifice itself for what? The hope it will actually do something?
Yeah I just recall Holdo does it with a pretty big ship of the resistance and while damaging Snoke's ship it doesn't destroy it. All she managed to do in the end is slowing down the threat.
Now doing the same on the death star which is much bigger than Snoke's ship... what garantee do we have it would do anything more than a scratch on it? Yep that's right, we have none.
Then, how many ships can the rebellion/resistance afford to sacrifice this way for, I recall, no garantee?
I mean, unlike the empire/new order it doesn't look at all like they have unlimited resources.
Finally, Holdo managed to do it thanks to the surprise effect.
After you did it once, what garantee do you have it could work twice? Yeah again there is none.
Once your opponent knows you're willing to use kamikaze strategies, they most likely adapt to it.
You know what? If any storyteller comes and say the rebellion already tried this, achieved nothing out of it beside wasting resources and having the empire more carefull thus justifying not to try this more often I would totally by it since it would be far from making no sense.
I always thought and still feel that Palpatine (who is proven to use powers over vast distances) was draining Padme's life and giving it to Anakin until he can get the suit on him. It allows him to keep his apprentice, and it gets rid of the thing that would keep Vader from crossing over completely to the dark side. You can literally see the smile on Palpatine's face when he informs Vader that he killed her in his anger.
#10 - I don't ever recall anyone getting up in arms over this
#9 - Because he was robbed of such a heroic act, he continued to be a joke for the rest of the "trilogy" instead of the fascinating character we were promised as an ex-Stormtrooper. The moment with Rose was so random and not earned at all.
#8 - Straight up trolling from Lucas. Hysterical. I was under the impression that the fans were more or less impressed by Jar Jar's growth as he is representing on behalf of Padme
#7 - COMPLETE copout. J.J. cannot write or create period. Once again, the sequels earned nothing in trying to tie into the other 6.
#6 - This was not deep at all. Silly and unimaginative. Should have killed Leia off right then and there since Carrie had passed and there was still time to edit certain things for the story to make more sense. It's such a shame she never lived long enough for her NDA to expire so she could give us all the cold hard truth of her experience with Rian Johnson.
#5 - Need I say more? Let's copy a very famous line from a previous film and bring back the big bad to forever take away the achievements of Luke in Return of the Jedi. Atrocious. Not even Lucas would have written something this putrid.
#4 - So cheesy. This kind of thinking and planning for such a movie perfectly explains why it was the very first Star Wars film to ever bomb.
#3 - This one I will never understand. Anakin was raised as a slave and Tattooine is home to some of the most vile people/creatures in the galaxy. Add in the intense heat and you've got hell on Earth. Completely understood.
#2 - It was too late to turn back now, the ruin had begun... Disney had NO plan for how these three films were going to connect and thus, an unfortunate trend of dissecting every single hero came into play and nihilism took over. Asinine.
#1 - Crap pick. People offended by that one need to get over it. The dude just lost the love of his life and because the dark side had overpowered him, he was blind to what he had done and this scene is us catching that last bit of humanity in Anakin before he becomes this ruthless Sith Lord for decades. I personally would have gone with Maz showing us Anakin's lightsaber and instead of giving us some info, J.J. pulled out his good ol' mystery box unto which orange Yoda says: "a good question, for another time...." and we never heard a single thing about it ever again. Don't put an easter egg into the story and never resolve it. My other choice would have been turning Han into a deadbeat dad loser and having him go out like a chump.
6/10 for Disney, the creators of the "Anti-Star Wars Trilogy"
Terrible take
the fact that the creator messed up almost the same amount of times disney did, shows a lot on what they did with star wars
or both of them are bad, or some critic were just created by our community because we as a fandom suck
@@3DInnovations70 anyone who is a real fan agrees, you are a fake fan and Disney shill
Based opinions. It's ridiculous that 10 and 1 would ruin Star Wars.
Han died doing pretty much exactly what Luke almost died doing. Luke literally just got luckier and it's considered the best moment in all of Star Wars.
The biggest problem I had with the "Rey Skywalker" thing is that even in-universe it's totally disrespectful.
The Palpatine family name has tormented anyone with the Skywalker name every single generation. Instead of Rey Palpatine redeeming her own surname, she tosses it aside and takes the Skywalker name, thinking she is keeping the Skywalker name alive since that bloodline is now gone.
But that's like if Hitler's son survived and took the name Goldberg from a family his father put into gas chambers.
Even if he somehow had nothing to do with anything Hitler did, taking the name of a family that your family persecuted, is in REALLY bad taste.
Even with an optimistic mindset, it's just plain not cool.
It's disrespectful to Rey's character too.
Why can't she just be Rey?
Or better yet, call her Rey Solo! It fits her character arc better, and her name sounds better too.
Rey Solo would have suffice, and they would connect her love for Ben with Solo movie!
Actually Rey being part of the Palpatine family is by itself a huge, huge letdown, like: billions of planets, creatures and lineages, and nooo, force sensitive superbeings have to come exclusively from these two lineages. Booring.
Rey: steals the Skywalker name
Skywalkers: “Keep my name out yo fucking mouth!”
its incredibly insulting to the skywalker name
@@mujgansutlu2228 no still wouldnt have made sense i could still see that going nowhere
You dont understand the sand part. He lived his life as a slave on a sand planet. When he went back his mother got killed....
Exactly. I understand why he felt the way he did. The thing that bothers me about Anakin in general is just how whiny and entitled he is. I don't blame Hayden, because he was simply doing what he'd been told. I blame the writers and the directors.
Oh I get that. However, it was an awful line.
@@Chocobear555 At least he earned the right to be whiny given how messed up his life is.
@@Chocobear555 he acted entitled becouse everyone called him the chosen one. Image what would happen to us if everyone around us called us God
Annie spent nine years on sand, and by all accounts in TPM he was happy and well adjusted.
Luke spent at least twenty years there and both of the people he considered his parents were killed there. Yet Luke has no hangups about sand.
I always thought the "unmotive" death of padme was supposed to leave a mystery about Sidious finishing her through the force, so he would have anakin completely in the dark side.
If U notice most of the issues on this list are from the Sequel Trilogy. Also I thought Luke being a depressed, brooding, grump old hermit in TLJ would be #1.
Agreed the sequel trilogy was an abomination. I figured #1 would be a toss up between Luke throwing away his lightsaber, Rei Skywalker, or Rose stopping Finn. Vader's "noooo" didn't even come close to those
@@ibobs1 Or Palpatine's return
"Deppresed brooding grump old hermit" is exactly the plan lucas had for Luke.His character arc wad always going to be that way
But obi wan was like that too as we just saw in the recent series centering on him
No it is not an abomination. The Fanbase is an abomination. They harassed and bullied many actors, refused to give Disney a chance, and tried to control the franchise themselves. They act selfish, spoiled, bratty, childish, and entitled and I am fed up with this behavior.
I'm actually okay with #8. Sidious knew Binks admired Padme so he deliberately mentioned her name when discussing the proposal. Jar Jar is a very simple soul and Sidious knew that and used it to his advantage. That's what the Sith does.
Agreed. Besides, Palpatine's a master at improvisation; through the manipulation of one senator or another, he'd have found a way to get those emergency powers sooner or later. Jar Jar's naivety just made it faster and easier for him to do it. Helps that he's a beloved Supreme Chancellor too.
But Darth Jar Jar was in on the Sith Plot he knew what he was doing
Jar Jar did nothing wrong. Well, he DID, but he truly meant well, and even he was smart enough to know how useless the Senate was in desperate times without a unanimous decision. It's not like he tried to stop his friends from killing themselves to serve the greater good just because it would have hurt his feelings (cough-cough-Rose-cough).
DARTH JAR JAR
Poe Dameron's General "Hugs" scene was much more cringe than the Anakin's sand quote in my opinion. Anakin was born and raised on Tatooine and had to deal with sandstorms or something. Isn't it obvious? Shouldn't it make sense? It does get everywhere.
It’s the fact that he uses it to flirt.
And how it doesn’t sound like something a person would say.
@@Dragonage2ftw well, anakin isnt a person. hes been “forced” (pun intended) to be rid of feelings and emotions. so it makes sense that he doesnt know how to be around amidala.
I live close to the beach. It gets everywhere. Keeping sand off my damn hardwood floors is a constant battle…
@@kunii.9261 Well they didn't have to make him that way or a person that sounded so monotone. Not even Vader is monotone. Actually Sebastian Shaw and James Earl Jones were both british so we thought Anakin was this british guy with the attitude of TCW Anakin. Not a guy who is monotone and hates sand lol.
The "I don't like sand" is so bad it's good.
The "General Hugs", along with most of the sequels' moments, are trying so hard to be funny they come out as awful.
Jar Jar giving Palps the power is actually very good.
Somebody had to do it.
Darth Jar-Jar.
People complaining about vaders “nooo” have you seen Luke’s reaction to finding out vaders his father?
For real, making that number 1 was stupid as hell lol
Like any given sequel blunder is FAR worse and I feel they just didn't wanna put anything connected to Disney as number 1 lol
Mark Hamill actually delivered the line with enough emotion that it was ok. Luke was truly devastated. Vader's "Noooo"? Just cringe inducing. James Earl Jones sounded like that was his reaction when he read the script. Personally, I laughed in the theater. All they had to do was have Vader smash all the computers and stuff in the room silent but deadly, so to speak.
Because the way that it's was in Episode V was actually emotional.
Episode III's was atrocious, like most of the movie itself.
@@mangothemike😂😂😂😂😂👎👎👎👎
The tragic way they handled Star Wars Episodes 7, 8 and 9 remains the greatest wasted opportunity in cinematic history as far as I'm concerned. They had Mark Hamill, Harrison Ford, and Carrie Fisher all on board for "Force Awakens" and they didn't have them all in even one scene together. It boggles the mind how people that are literally paid millions of dollars to make movies could be that damn clueless. And BTW, this entire list could have just been basically every scene in "The Last Jedi".
Exactly this.
100%
Completely agree with you, the potential was ENDLESS and they squandered it in every possible way. Carrie Fisher passing was the nail in the bed, there's no redemption here. No scene with all 3 of them together, no epic Jedi Master Luke lightsaber duel, they could've asked a random fan off the street 5 things they would've liked to see in the sequel and done a better job instead they got a bunch of edgy writers thinking they need to throw people off with "twists" like it's a lame reality show. I had doubts when they first annouced the sequels but I could've never imagined it as bad as they made it.
Kylo Ren who was trained by a Jedi Master since he was a kid and Sith Lord afterwards fought evenly with a girl who picked up lightsaber 5 minutes ago, Luke wanting to kill his own newphew in his sleep, Luke in hiding while the empire takes over milking cow tities instead on the front lines, Luke dying in the dumbest way possible, no wonder Mark Hamill was so upset on how these turned out.
@@j.j.1517 Spot on assessment.
The Holdo Manuver for me. Completely world breaking. The empire would have sent empty star destroyers into planents and rebel fleets. Or vice versa. Way more efficient and effective than large dog fight space battles.
Dont even need star destroyers. A simple probe going lightspeed would wreck any ship it hit, shields or not. The empire had the ability to build as many light speed missiles as they wanted.
Established lore regarding hyperspace rules out using this against planets- because the gravity wells of planets and stars are explicitly understood to bring objects out of hyperspace and to prevent ships going to hyperspace
maneuver* or maneouvre*
planets*
You missed a lot of capitalization, too.
@@encycl07pedia-
They missed more hyphens than capitalization 🤔
10.) They retconned Padme’s cause of death. Darth Sidius used his knowledge of the dark side to reach across space and snuff out Padme’s life. Sidius feared Padme could lead Anakin back to the light.
Bro don’t try to explain that pure diarrhea. Only small kids and incels with no sense like the prequels
During that obiwan and anakin's fight the ships could have been damaged, delaying medical care for Padme, which caused her to die in childbirth. That would make it Anakin's fault, but in a way Anakin could blame obiwan.
I’ve never met any Star Wars fans that thought the ending of revenge of the sith was “goofy” or “undercutting the moment” what a stupid thing to say🤦🏻♂️
Those whiners want to be worshipped more than the movies. Not in the cards for them.
Exactly, the sole reason Vader turned to the dark side was because of his belief that he could save padme from certain death. So obviously he is going to be distraught after learning she is dead (and being told he killed her) - people forget that darth Vader is a human, not some robot with no emotion. Stupid list from watch mojo
@@marcuslee698 that has nothing to do with why people think the scene is goofy. It just SOUNDS goofy and lame the way he said it.
@@vice2versa but it doesn’t tho…
i'm a Star Wars fan and i definitely found it goofy lol. it's not the fact that he screams "no" - it's the way he does it. it just sounds cartoonish and campy and doesn't fit with the tone of such a devastating scene. that's not stupid at all, it's completely valid criticism. it also has been memed and mocked to death on the internet so i'm sure i'm not the only one.
I absolutely hated how Palpatine was resurrected in Rise of Skywalker
The funny thing is that before that, there was the Dark Empire series that is Legends, where there was the Palpatine's clones business
@@jaksuperior2470 And it was handled a lot better
What I hated was the writers feeling the need to connect him to Rey. I for one liked her better as Rey Nobody.
Somehow?
@@FupaDoncic Beat me by three minutes.
I heard a while back that Padme didn't quite "lose the will to live," but rather had her life, for lack of a better word, "drained" by Palpatine and siphoned into Anakin in order to keep him alive while he struggled to climb up the molten hill on Mustafar and awaited a rescue from Sidious himself. Though that scene never really bothered me regardless, it gave it a sense of clarity. Moving on to Rise of Skywalker, this idea gave the ending where Kylo siphoned his energy to bring Rey back to life more meaning and clarified that for me as well.
They should’ve used voice modulation to transition from Hayden Christiansen yelling “NOOOOOOOOO!” Into James Earl Jones’s as they place the iconic mask on… almost as if you could audibly hear his decent into the void.. the dark side.
That Noooooo is undoubtedly silly and even worse cuz it's supposed to be a serious scene ..it's grown on me though and it's nowhere near as bad as Young Spock saying Khaaaannnn! In Into Darkness...Episode 3 remains my all time favorite Star Wars Movies..crazy it's been 17 yrs since it hit
I think he should have crossed his arms and said, "Well Shit" lol
Nonsense lol 🌟 star wars 🌟 🤐
@@edwardbloecher4563 heh heh
@@edwardbloecher4563 "Them's the breaks! Hah cha cha cha!"
The most atrocious part of Leia's space scene is at 5:40 here when the others (who are nowhere near as force sensitive as Leia) open a single door to the vacuum of space to bring her inside and they suffer ZERO ill effects!!
Agree. It's DUMB, SILLY and horrible. Not the stupidity you can see in Star Wars film. Glad I no longer watch Disney Star Wars!!!
@@tonyfendex2558 so sounds in space are fine?
@@warumsindalleso the final battle in "a new hope" without sound, SILENT, would have BEEN FUCKING DULL!!! It would've been a CINEMATIC DISASTER!!!
This is CINEMA, dude, NOT reality. It's space adventure meant to entertain an AUDIENCE with great story, great music and GREAT SOUND EFFECTS, and VISUALS. If you want reality, go see a NASA documentary. Tie Fighters, X-Wing fighting with no sound would've been VERY STUPID!!! No one would've liked the movie!!!! LAME + DULL
The scene surprised me but calm down. You are not supposed to hear anything in space btw
You can see in this scene that she is in an airlock and the door on the opposite site had enough time to close, while Poe and the rest walk to it.
Many theories suggest that Palpatine actually "helped" in Padme dying, in order to fully corrupt Anakin.
It wouldn't surprise me.
i guess thats not actually farfetched cause of how the lusankya was built under coruscant without anyone knowing being accredited to palpatine
It makes sense.
But that is just a theory and nothing else.
When dealing with space Fantasy or sci fi damn near anything can be thrown at us. Lol
@@thedisneynerd7866 Take what you can get
0:35 I love C3P0's reaction, freaking out but knowing he can't say anything at the same time lmao
Yes, Rey claiming the Skywalker name is bad, but the retconning of Rey’s parentage is worse. It’s so ridiculous that all of a sudden, she’s Palpatine’s granddaughter. It’s the Vader reveal all over again, just worse. Rey being a nobody made sense thematically. I could maybe have seen her being a Kenobi, but by making her to be a Palpatine, it makes the entire galaxy feel incredibly small.
Rise should be it's own list. Des Ex Machina Daggers, Knights of Ren, the Sith fleet built out of nowhere, the total lack of payoff when the rebel fleet shows up, the Rey and Ben kiss.
I refuse to watch that film ever again. Was horrible
to be fair, rise spent a lot of time trying to fix the mistakes of the previous film, and therefore suffered. Ep 8 deserves its own list.
@@denomi39 rise it seemed like they had to give up because 8 was so polarising and they couldn't win. Its a shame. Don't want to see star wars fail but the stories they have come up with have been so bad especially considering how rich the galaxy is with potential
The new trilogy could have its own top 25 list.
And Disney + shows
@@cjtuckerbpmc the mandalorian is actually a good show, boba fett was meh bit still a good moments, same with Obi Wan
@@maggieaishalee3829 The Mandalorian is great especially if you know the spaghetti westerns that inspired it....Boba fett was shit obi wan is bait and switch shit....and no I don't find it coincidental that they broke cannon to kill the grand inquistor in Obi-Wan it was almost like a giant middle finger to Dave Feloni for being a more talented story teller.
@@cjtuckerbpmc did you actually be that dumb to think the gi was dead 😐
Most of these were fine scenes for me, I'll only complain about one of those picks: Padme did NOT die of sadness. The former apprentice of Darth Plageus the Wise took her Force energy and used it to heal Darth Vader, possibly with the dying Anakin himself also reaching out for her Force energy to survive. The scene cuts directly from Padme dying mysteriously to Vader having survived something that very much should have killed him with the same music still playing. They had already set the precident for Force healing with the Tragedy of Darth Plageus the Wise and made sure we knew Palpatine knew how to create life. Why not death as well, rather than assume something completely out of character for Padme?
This is your headcanon as this is not said/shown anywhere in the movies or shows
@@edocsil1635 it's a reasonable theory with no direct canonical support, only indirect (the Tragedy of Darth Plagious the Wise, Padme's entire personality...)
#10 - I agree. If Padme had to die during childbirth, I think the writers should have taken a different route. They should have said that she died from complications of childbirth. Dying of a broken heart is just too cheesy and cringe-inducing. The fact that she simply gave up the will to live, knowing that her children would be left without both of their biological parents, really doesn't set well with me.
#7 - I haven't even watched this movie yet, but I *hate* the fact that Rey would have the gall to declare herself a Skywalker. No, Rey. You are *not* a Skywalker.
#4 - Yeah! I didn't need to know how the history behind Han's last name.
#2 - While I don't blame Luke for being devastated over his nephew's turn to the Dark Side, I hate that he gave up and exiled himself. I can't stand it when people throw themselves an extended pity party. And it really bothers me that Luke not only gave up and exiled himself, but that he turned his back on the Jedi Order in its entirety.
There's another issue with Padme's death : she dies just after giving birth to her twins while Leia says that she died when she was very young.
@@lindildeev5721 - "being just born" technically counts as being "very young"...
@@chrisrj9871 If she was just born, she couldn't remember her.
Especially when we get scenes of Luke becoming a strong Jedi like his father. They just took the hero of a generation and shat all over it
I know
To quote Solo.
4:16 Gotta say, Rey's own lightsaber is cool, with that dial instead of a switch. It's unique, and I wish she'd used it earlier in the trilogy.
I agree, it would have been cool to have actually Seen her find a Kyber crystal and Build it herself though, That Scene should have replaced the Rey Jedi Training scene In The beginning
I prefer the Green Lightsaber, That should have a been her own Lightsaber.
@@megalon73 I honestly like the fact that Rey had a unique color for a lightsaber that has never been used before, but we can agree to disagree.
I think I like the idea with what they did with the Duel of the Fates more where she combines the Skywalker saber with her staff and made it double bladed.
@@thedeepbluec1515 thought Ahsoka had gold lightsabers too at one point, if not here someone for sure had gold lightsabers before rey..
Finn sacrificing himself would have been such a genuinely dramatic moment in an otherwise terrible film.
Worse case scenario his sacrifice would've been pointless
Especially since after that he was underutilized
But Rey promised Finn they would meet again in force awakens while he was in his coma. Finn sacrificing himself would have caused Rey to break her promise
Or Rey could have. She’s the worst character ever.
@@tripendicular Rose still takes the cake imo.
So, initially, I had a problem with Rey declaring herself "Rey Skywalker." That is, until a few months ago when I got into a discussion with a friend I made a month earlier. He actually really enjoyed that aspect because he held a different perspective of it. He'd had experience with the foster care program and was able to sympathize with identifying with the people who raise/teach you as opposed to your biological parents. Now, when I see that scene with a new light, I find it more touching than disrespectful.
That is my same exact argument. Tho I never have been in foster care, my current last name is someone I never knew. I have been wanting to change it to my step dad's last name. My argument for Rey is always why should she have the last name of someone she didn't even know
Nothing Star Wars does will ever make me quit the franchise entirely but there are a lot of things, in the sequel trilogy especially, that really pissed me off
why would rey bury the lightsabers 😔 ghost anakin should've told her how evil sand is...
I choked. Thank you
Didn’t Obi Wan just bury Anakins lightsaber for like 10 years? 😂
Nooooooooo
🤣🤣🤣
Anakin’s force ghost would have been “You sure you wanna do that?”
You forget that Jar Jar only gave Palpatine emergency powers because Padme ask Him too. While Jar Jar is annoying, thats not on Him.
Padme never asked Jar Jar to do that. He felt the desperation of the sudden threat of the Confederacy was a no-win situation for the galaxy, so he believed proposing emergency powers could've prevented an overthrow of the Republic, ironically. And it's not like he was alone in believing this.
I thought it was just desserts that Jar Jar screwed up. So many people were irritated by him and episode one, that it was good to see him be proved a fool in episode two
@@commandercaptain4664 Padme would've done the same "If olny Senator Amidala were here"
@@TheBlond49 That was Palps and Ameeda tricking Jar Jar into thinking that's what Padme wanted. His desperation took over from there.
@@kscottschaeffer6140 Jar Jar is a tragic figure in Palpatine's scheme. His naivete and fear was shared by the entire Senate.
Fans are the biggest Mary Sues of all time. So much self-insertion.
Biggest issue is the existence of episode 7-9
I love how most of the scenes mentioned are from the sequels.. Most of the prequel scenes aren't even that bad and could easily replaced by far worse sequel scenes. Jar Jar asking for emergency rights is something i never worried about - it's a a great way to give some purpose to the "comedic relief", makes logically sense and is satisfying enough as a part of palpatines plot against the republic. "I don't like sand" is such an unimportant scene - it doesn't really ruin anything. Sure it's awkward, but atleast funny in some way. Vaders "No" wasn't brilliant, i'll give you that - but it doesn't justify rank #1. Especially since his Ep6 "No" was far worse. Padme dying from sadness is aweful on it's own, but you can find satifying enough explanations outside of the movies. It's still bad from a narrative perspective and definitely deserves to be called "bad". I think the all-time worst scene from star wars is the "holdo maneuver". Although visually amazing, like most of the sequels, it's just such universe breaking scene, as it ruins EVERY star wars movie before and after that. Apparently, one little ship can completely obliterate and entire fleet. Why not HM the Death Star? Why not HM the Malevolence? Why not HM any existing threat? It's basically a quick and easy "delete" button for anything in exitence. And NO, it being a "1 in a million" shot isn't a valid explanation.
I forgot that part...I agree. That HO scene was upsetting.
Holdo is probably the absolute worst character ever. I can't even look at the actress anymore without contempt because of that trash movie and character
Shut up!
There are faaar more prequel scenes they could have mentioned!
@@lookingforwookiecopilot not in a top 20 imao..
The kiss from Rose felt a bit forced. Especially since in the first film Finn was trying to impress Ray by telling her that he was part of the resistance after asking her if she had a boyfriend.
I liked it better when the first new film hinted that Finn & Rey would be a thing.
Force Awakens was good. But the other 2 after it couldn't be nearly as close...
Also, I'd like to point out that if Finn kissed Rose like that, without her consent, it would be considered assault.
Really that's the only part of the scene that bothered me, if it wasn't for the forced romance I'd not mind the scene at all (cause I pay attention to the film and it's clear that finn's suicide run wouldn't have worked, plus it's the end of his arc over the two films, this is just after he's fully committed and he's going to the extreme and needs to be pulled back a bit).
It was terrible
The rise of skywalker ending pretty much ruined the whole movie
Not really the movie was really good
the rise of skywalker ruined star wars.
Rey calling herself skywalker is a throwbak to tha japanese samurai era, when students would often take their teachers last name
@@SniperReaper26 eh. They got lazy and threw the movie and franchise into the garbage
That ending was super cringe in my opinion
Palpatine using Jar Jar to get his emergency powers was pure genius. Great manipulation of a weak minded character and set up by Palps trying to kill Padme so he could get her out of the senate where she would have opposed him in that instance.
Can we also acknowledge how they missed an opportunity to introduce cool new characters in the form of the Knights of Ren? They looked so cool in one of the visions in the Force Awakens but didn't show up practically at all until the Rise of Skywalker and were done in pretty quickly/easily by Kylo. They should've fleshed out the Knights of Ren more and made them more of a challenge or something
Maybe that was something Abrams had between VII and IX, but with Johnson taking over it seems like almost half (or all) of the intervening details that were meant to link those films became weird and confusing. They're briefly seen in a flashback during Episode VII and then they're only really shown in Episode IX
They had literal melee weapons. Made of metal. In Star Wars. There’s so many reasons that dumb if you aren’t fighting a man with a lightsaber but when you’re fighting a Sith Lord what the mustafar were they thinking?
Revange of the sith is my fav, not only the battle's and the dark side at max, but also such great music
The Disney trilogy made the prequels more of a masterpiece. Making Rey a Skywalker was an insult to injury, killing the three main legendary characters because Darth Kennedy hated these was a catastrophe, and the bad dialogues were cringe-worthy.
it wasn't a problem of making rey a "skywalker" the problem is how it happened, if they wanted to do that, they had to build up from the start, instead they started doing this at the "end" of ep8 and the ep9
there was no plan
The mental parkour prequel lovers go through. “Good by comparison” is not “good”. The prequels are incredibly flawed, they just end with their best foot forward and have a relatively cohesive narrative (which is propped up by superior supporting material like Clone Wars). They are certainly not a masterpiece, an the fumbling of Disney does not make them better.
Making Rey a Skywalker shows ones more how important their family and destiny is.
The fact that almost all cringe Moments are in The New Films makes so much sense
The thing I hated the most is that they made Rey connect with the force so fast. It requires years of training to be a jedi and use the force rightly but she mastered it as soon as she got the lightsaber and decided to be a jedi. Even Luke and Anakin had to train and they had the most potentials in the galaxy. They wanted to make Rey so powerful but how they wanted to do it was so bad. Also Rey could never surpass the Skywalkers
It wasn't very well done, but Rey wasn't *that* powerful right away or even after several months of training (see the lightsaber choreography that everyone complains about), and she had several months of training as Leia's padawan (we never find out how much training Luke got).
@@martalaatsch8358 yeah but she invented force healing and she beat kylo ren in her first time picking up a lightsaber, which takes away the threat and intimidation of him
@@ssuperman123 she wasn't the first to Force heal, she was just good at it. And Kylo is threatening enough already, him being powerful is not the point of his character
@@martalaatsch8358 but if she defeats the main bad guy in the first movie, where is the threat? they don't hint to snoke or to Palpatine in force awakens
@@ssuperman123 I'm not sure defeating Kylo was ever supposed to be the point of the sequels. He is kind of the main character. The First Order itself and its big weapons is the threat
The last 3 episodes ruined Star Wars and you can never change my mind
Yeah. There was much potential- I did like Rey mostly, and even Finn, but it felt like we were insulted as fans for a cash grab.
It has nothing to do with cash, it's about KKs woke agenda
@@rathenslog8490 kk?
@@Crosshairtv Kathleen Kennedy or Kim Kardashian... neither of which would surprise me.
Meh, Star Wars was already ruined loooong before that. You just didn't notice because the prequels set the bar sooooooo damn low.
What they did with my childhood hero, Luke Skywalker in TLJ was horror.... just... horror.😨
"Somehow palpatine returned" should have been no. 1
For #10, I think its more to imply that Palpatine drained Padme's "life energy" to save Anakins. Not only just to save the apprentice he worked hard to manipulate, but also increase his hate and willingness to fully embrace the dark side. However it's really only speculative, and they could've done a better job explaining it.
It is only speculative, but it still would have made much more sense than saying that a healthy woman (who at one point was willing to fight a war by herself when the Republic wouldn't provide support) could die of a broken heart in less than a week and ask for a DNR, even over her psychotic manchild husband who turned the galaxy upside-down because he supposedly thought it would save her and even tried to kill her for the same reason.
This is my exact theory I love that other people thinks the same as me
“They could have done a better job explaining it” could sum up the entire prequels lol. I loved em but still, it’s only because I actually know what George Lucas was going for that it makes sense. And they look cool sue me XD
@@kamentrainerhorn2073 & Chaser & Oedo Gaming
I don't know how you guys can miss the mark so badly. Padme loved Anakin. He was her entire family pretty much (We only saw her parents at Padme's funeral). He was the father of her children. He turned into a monster that slaughtered children and helped create a new empire, something she steadfastly opposed. Hope was gone. Her world had crumbled into nothingness. Living and fighting is the last thing you want to do when that happens. Anyone who has experienced true loss knows that.
Do you think Palpatine was just hanging around Polis Massa (where Luke and Leia were born, not on Mustafar where Vader was burned) just to do some life transfer? Do you think the Emperor would let Obi-Wan escape with the children if he knew where they were? To act like it was Palpatine sucking the life out of Padme to give to Vader is not only completely nonsensical, but plain disrespectful.
Actually a great concept
0:46 Lost the Will to Live
1:51 Rose Saves Finn
2:47 Jar Jar Gives Palpatine Emergency Powers
4:00 Rey Skywalker
4:51 Leia Flies in Space
5:44 Somehow, Palpatine Returned
6:50 Han's Name
7:52 Sand
8:37 Luke Throws his Lightsaber Away
10:36 NOOOOOOOO!
I agree with all but lost the will to live…liked she just found out anakins hitler…I could see loosing the will to live happening
#10 Valid: Force choking should’ve been explained
#9 Would be valid had Kelly not been bullied off social media
#8 Valid
#7 Half valid but who would want to keep the name of a Sith Lord?
#6 Actually funny & cool & in someway actually would tie into the Jedi evolving into the Skywalker had people given Rian a chance & if Carrie was still alive
#5 Valid with wording & should’ve just gone more in depth over Palpatine’s cloning history even if it ended up flying over audiences heads more than Transformers comic book or animated show source material that Revenge of the Fallen used
#4 Valid but shouldn’t have been too triggering
#3 Valid
#2 He did eventually explain why & honestly, that one was on fans who now have to see for “their Luke” deep faked back to them. Congratulations “not my Luke” squad, you played yourselves
#1 Valid
You are incorrect but you are entitled to your incorrect opinion. All of these are hated by the general star Wars audience and fanboys alike.
@@davidlance5310 #9 Oof yeah, Kelly Marie Tran definitely didn't deserve what happened to her, despite my feelings on Rose and Finn's relationship.
#8 I feel that Palpatine, being a master of improvisation as he is, would have found a way to gain emergency powers sooner or later, through one Senator or another; Jar-Jar's naivety simply made it easier and quicker for him to do it.
#7 _Especially_ with a name as reviled as Palpatine, yeah. Unless they're as evil as he is, I really doubt one would even _want_ to be distantly related to him, much less bear his family name.
Padme died probably because her life force was given to Vader through the dark side. Saying she lost the will to live is somewhat a layman's term to it. I always interpreted it this way. A life for a life. Isn't that always the way (of things)?
For me, it would have to be when Uncle Luke ignited his lightsaber to murder his own his nephew, in particular the line “Snoke had already turned his heart”, which I don’t think enough people talk about. It was that line that took me out of it as it raises the question of how and when did Snoke corrupt Ben, as according to the sentence Snoke had already turned Ben. That and Ben’s decision to destroy Luke’s Jedi Temple and either slaughter or corrupt Luke’s other students raises the question of how Ben was beforehand as a Jedi student (namely how he felt towards the other students) to make such a decision, was it a hard choice in case they were friends with him or did he actually hate all of the other students. I understand why Ben did it, he hated Uncle Luke for Luke’s massive betrayal of contemplating murdering him in his sleep, but the New Trilogy kept pushing how Ben was conflicted so I think whether or not his purge of the New Jedi Order was a difficult or easy decision for him could have served as an indicator of what his sense of right and wrong are.
Plus, admittedly, there was my own biases, such as my strong belief that Luke had known Ben since Ben’s birth (he was named after Obi-wan’s pseudonym from when Luke knew him so that’s a strong indicator Luke also named him) and Luke has a strong attachment to family (Uncle Owen and Aunt Beth’s deaths motivated Luke to fight the Empire and despite all that Vader did to him and his friends, he still devoted all of his efforts to save and redeem him), so him even considering murdering a child he has a familial connection with seems too much of a stretch for me.
Another bias I have is based on Luke’s depiction in the Legends stories, a big part of his character in the Legends story was influenced by his quest to redeem Darth Vader in Episode 6, that he honestly and sincerely believed that no one is beyond redemption, no matter how evil (though he will still cut the heads off of villains if they still choose to kill others after being offered the choice for redemption); so the popular consensus is that Legends!Luke would have reacted to sensing “Ben’s darkness building up” with a “How do reach this kid? How do I help him?”
That's what I keep telling people, they destroyed Luke's character on the Disney sequels. I've always thought of Luke as a Grey jedi, he isn't hampered by the jedi code, he knows emotions won't necessarily lead to the dark side. I think he was also mischaracterized on the mandalorian, making groug choose between becoming a jedi or his love for mando. I refuse to acknowledge the sequels as canon and there's so much more wrong with them. I can't believe they didn't mention the hyperspace bs too.
Rian Johnson used the unreliable narrator trope on this one. Depending on who's telling the story (Luke or Ben), there are differences.
One thing that I think never got adressed after RotJ was the burden of Vader's crimes unto Luke's shoulders. He might've redeemed Vader but I doubt people wouldn't look at the offspring of Vader without revenge in mind.
IMO, it would have been better if Luke was actually just checking up on his nephew newly built lightsaber to see his progress.
And then he was surprised to see the reddish hue of the lightsaber. Ben woke up at that time and thought his uncle was either going to strike him down or took his lightsaber away and retaliate.
I've heard Mark Hamill himself argued against it. He said it wasn't in Luke's character. I mean he saved his father Vader the most feared and hated man in the universe. But ultimately Mark had no choice in the matter.
I've heard Mark Hamill himself argued against it. He said it wasn't in Luke's character. I mean he saved his father Vader the most feared and hated man in the universe. But ultimately Mark had no choice in the matter.
Not sure I feel that Leia was “flying.” Rather in a zero gravity she was pulling herself towards the ship rather than pulling the ship to her.
Suprised the entire ending for The Rise of Skywalker wasn't included. Snook's death also felt stupid since we hardly knew anything about him before he got off'ed.
We hardly knew anything about the Palpatine either….but it worked?!
I could care less for Snoke. He always felt like he was trying to be a carbon copy of Emperor Palpatine in The Force Awakens. Trust me, 20 years from now Snoke will be forgotten while Andy Serkis’ other motion capture characters like Gollum and Caesar will still be remembered and live on.
I will never forget Snoke, mainly because of how hilarious his face was when he got stabbed.
(Accurate recreation: 😱)
@@usuckthereturn Whenever I hear that “Snoke died too soon” complaint I try to remind them that the Emperor was not even -mentioned*- in the original STAR WARS, had only one scene as a hologram in EMPIRE, and is suddenly revered as the galactic ruler in JEDI with no talk of who he is, where did he come from, or why/how anything. People didn’t learn his backstory until the prequels.
_*edited with strike through correction_
@@TalentCaldwell ,...but that was George's genius.
One of my main problems was with revealing too much far too early. Revealing who Kylo Ren's parents were too early in the film was a let down. They should have built that up a bit, have us guessing and wondering.
When it was announced the crew that started it all would be back together again I had visions of seeing Luke, Han, The Princess and Chewy all on the Falcon or together in some great nostalgic battle scenes. They ruined that dream for me.
I always thought Padme died because of the emperor, like the emperor intentionally kills her using the dark side of the force, that wasn't known to many since the dark side of the force is a pathway to many abilities some consider to be unnatural. Because the emperor wants Vader and he wants him to feel the hate and anger.
That isn’t what happened. Padme actually lost the will to live
I could've sworn that to bring Vader back to life, the dark force ability palpatine mentioned to vader was used. It killed Padme and gave Vader life.
That makes absolutely no sense if you have any sort of knowledge of Star Wars. Padme gave birth on Polis Massa (not Mustafar where Vader burned) in the company of Obi-Wan Kenobi. If Palpatine were there to suck the life out of Padme, he wouldn't just let Kenobi escape with the children.
That theory is a load of tripe thought up by *more Rons*.
Bruh, Vader’s “NOOO” is the sound of a man who lost everything. His wife, his future son (as far as he knows), his potential, his friend… he threw away his life for nothing, now in constant pain both phisically and mentally. Decieved by a man that made him into a slave again… yet his only “friend”. He has nothing else to live for. What did you expect him to say besides that? What did you expect him to do? It’s a seriously overhated scene
I actually really enjoyed Darth Vader's "NOOOOOOOO!" moment from ROTS. It showed how emotional he was when he realized that his actions lead to Padme's death instead of preventing it. The first issue of the "Darth Vader: Dark Lord of the Sith" comic book series also gave this moment more meaning.
Lets be honest the entire 2nd film of the sequels was a punch in the face of the Star Wars community. The 3rd tried to cater to the greater community whilst trying to fix the 2nd film's mistakes. That along with poor dialogue writing, makes episode 9 seem like a fever dream you'd have after watching episode 8.
Honestly you can just put the entire Rise Of Skywalker on this list. I loved that they made Rey just and ordinary person in The Last Jedi. I thought it was a great idea that anyone could be a potential Jedi and that you didn’t have to just be related to someone to have the power, but nope! Rise of Skywalker ruined everything that The Last Jedi set up for us. The Last Jedi wasn’t perfect, but at least they tried something new, but I have so many issues with Disney Star Wars it’s not even worth my breath
The Rise of Skywalker was a massive FUCK YOU to fans. The worst one of the sequel trilogy.
Bro are you crazy!? The last jedi sucked so bad that the rise of Skywalker had to go in and fix everything!! We are lucky for what they did because no not just any random person can use the force, that's utter BS. You have to have a lot of mediclorians and be strong in the force to become a jedi or sith. So I'm happy they redid the trash of the last jedi. It literally made no sense and you wonder why it's the worse star wars movie ever created. You can't call yourself a star wars fan the way you are speaking, just any random person can be a jedi lol that's crazy and not at all what George Lucas said.
@@jasonbrad3194 I absolutely hate The Last Jedi too, but I do agree with jwood on Rey being from nobody special. Let's be real, they built that up more than ReY pAlPaTiNe
@@jasonbrad3194 what you say shows you do not understand anything about SW.
Big miss not having #1 be one of the many bad decisions from the sequel. I can’t believe you really put “NOOO” as 1
As a lifelong Star Wars fan- I was three and my Brother was four when we were taken to see the first film in 1977- nothing, not even the myriad mistakes made by Disney, will destroy my love for this franchise.
That said, while sure a lot of the Prequel dialogue was cringeworthy, it’s more hilarious than “rage quit” inducing. In my opinion, anyway. To me, the most infuriating decisions come from the Sequel Trilogy and most (if not all) of these were rightfully criticized by Mark Hamill himself:
• The complete tonal shift of the Eternal Optimist Luke Skywalker
• Separating Han and Leia
• Finn and Rose’s ridiculous jaunt to Planet I-Don’t-Give-A-Fuck-What-It’s-Called with the flightless Trico ripoffs (a video game character from The Last Guardian)
• Finn and Rey bearing witness to, and mourning, Kylo’s patricide of Han Solo instead of Luke and Leia. Yes, Chewbacca was there, but this leads to what I think should have been number one on this list:
*ABSOLUTELY NO SCENES WITH LUKE, LEIA AND HAN TOGETHER… AT ALL!!*
Imagine growing up with these iconic characters, anticipating their return to the big screen after thirty-two years only to see Luke abandon his sister and best friend and never seeing the three of them onscreen together…
*WHAT… THE ABSOLUTE… FUCK?!*
Say what you want about Star Trek V (I’m a big fan of this franchise as well), but at least the Star Trek films continued to showcase *THEIR* Iconic Trio: Kirk, Spock and McCoy!
You have Kathleen Kennedy to thank for the originals not having any scenes all together- she left them on the cutting room floor. Star Trek's original 3 all stayed together because they didn't have Kathleen Kennedy in there to mess it up.
Seeing The Last Jedi made me lose my will to live.
We need to operate quickly if we are to save the babies.
“Ruin” is the perfect over exaggeration word Star Wars fan would us. I agree, most of these are bad, but you can still love something and criticize it. People gotta chill.
Shut up
Exactly. Everyone's being so overly dramatic these days.
I would agree people should chill a bit, but the complaints happen at this level for a reason.
Hey, everyone! It’s the lone representative for ALL Star Wars fans! 😂
Sarcasm aside, If “ruin” doesn’t apply to YOU, then why do you approach this list as if it was made for YOU?
Perhaps, it is YOU who should chill.
I don't think most people love the last 3 movies honestly lol.
The fact that George Lucas had a whole battle plan made for the sequels and Disney just disregarded it pisses me off so much. They basically spat in his face.
It still amazes ne that people don't understand Padme's death. I guess the Droid should have said "medically, she is perfectly healthy, but Palpatine used that power to save life that he and Anakin spoke about earlier to drain Padme's life force and give it to a dying Anakin" for the sake of fans.
Wasn't it assumed that Palpatine cloned himself at some point? So that was his clone, not the original?
Rey should have just said "Just Rey." Would have been better.
Leia should have died when she went out into space, would have been more impactful.
I think in general, The Last Jedi and Rise of Skywalker had good ideas, but it was clear the entire trilogy was not written all at once and things were just written as each movie got released. One of the worst ways they could have done it because that's EXACTLY how it feels. Brutal.
Yeah, "Just Rey" does sound better.
Nothing makes that scene better. Rey is not a GENUINE Star Wars character. Rey is UTTER SHIT!!!
I’ve always thought Vader’s yell would’ve been great if it was just a scream and the room got destroyed by his Force abilities instead of the word “No”. Him being at a loss for words entirely would’ve better expressed the tragedy.
Rey calling herself a Skywalker ruined it a lot worse than Vader saying no a certain way.
I read the plot of what would’ve been Episode 9 if Colin Trevorrow stayed on as director
His intended story was 💯 better than Rose of Skywalker
Same here. I kept up with it for months and with the ending of Episode 9, it was terrible
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Was he the reason Force Awakens was so likable?
Did they remove him after the first? That would explain why 8 & 9 aren't as nearly good as 7.
I liked Duel of Fates. It made for a solid ending to the trilogy and to the saga in my opinion.
Agreed
5:09 Old Leia: "I'm Mary Poppins, y'all!"
When they showed Luke getting his butt kicked by Rey when he is supposed to be a Jedi Master. That was horrible.
He had been there for a long time and had closed himself off from the force- plus she's Palpatine's grand daughter added she kinda took him by surprise---
@@conniepruitt3086 luke is still chosen one's son and the most powerful jedi at the moment
@@conniepruitt3086 he is the jedi grand master at that time so yeah disney ruined it
For Rose stopping Finn's sacrifice by knocking his ship, she should've flew into the cannon instead. That would've been more noble of her.
Fans: "How can someone die from a broken heart"
Carrie Fisher's REAL mother, Debbie Reynolds, died of a broken heart.
I feel like we forget Anakin came from a planet covered in sand, so it makes sense why he feels someway about it.
It’s like someone lost his parents at a young age. Just because an old friend of them mentioned, “That painting is amazing! Your parents used to admire it,” the person replied with “Don’t talk about my parents!”
Killing off the original trio Han, Luke, and Leia were unforgivable in the sequel trilogy. That’s what ruined it for me. Like it insulted their legacies, especially Luke’s. He still feels significant in the story.
Introducing the new characters like Rey and Finn, but I think the writers underutilized them.
Okay, being peeved with killing off Luke, that I understand. I feel like he could have been written and explored better in this trilogy than what we get, and especially with Mark Hamill still around and willing to.
Han being killed, however, has always came off as an inevitability to me, due to one reason: Harrison Ford's opinions. Ford has always made it clear that he considered Han's character arc to be completed by the end of the original trilogy, and thus needed to die to fully serve his purpose. With that in mind, killing Han off seemed the best way to go, and I think they were justified in thinking that way.
As for Leia... I honestly don't think they had much of a choice. She was _meant_ to have a starring role in The Rise of Skywalker, the way Han did in The Force Awakens and Luke did in The Last Jedi. But Carrie Fisher died when people _least_ expect her to. With her death, the writers were basically stuck at two big choices: use whatever deleted footage they have left to try and complete Leia's story and then kill her off to save them further trouble in the future, which would royally piss people off (for obvious reasons); or they could just not have her appear in the film at all, which would also royally piss people off (what with this being the finale of the Skywalker saga and all). Stuck between a rock and a hard place, so to speak, and I could honestly understand why they picked the former option; Fisher's passing was obviously not their fault, and they had to work with what little they could get.
Leia's understandable, given the circumstances...BUT I remember when Carrie passed they were adamant they wouldn't put her in what would eventually become RoS....yet they did anyway.
@@DavidHutchinson0713 Exactly! Luke’s story is still significant, especially towards assisting Rey. Killing him off was a lousy move.
I understand it was inevitable for Han, yet for Leia? Why kill her off onscreen? They could’ve just left her as is and continue forward.
@@thecunninlynguist I think when Lucasfilm made that statement, they were still unsure about where to go with Leia. They clearly knew they were not going to be able to do what they had planned to do. But as I said, they're fucked either way with just about anything they could have done. For what it's worth, I do think they would have gone through with not putting Leia at all had Fisher's relatives asked them to scrap any appearance (which they didn't do).
I feel like Leia didn't need to die out of all them but I get they felt like they needed to do that. I think it would be better to keep her alive as to say her legacy is living on in Star Wars. Harrison wanted Han to die so they had no choice but I wish he sacrificed himself instead of allowing his son to just stab him. Luke I actually liked his death by having him look at the two suns. At least Lando survived so theres that