The Joker-Ryuji-Makoto-Haru team is probably my favourite one to play. Haru and Makoto compliment each other so well to abuse technical damage and it's so fun.
Something I feel like people never bring up when discussing Makoto and Ann is how strong Tarunda/Rakukaja combo is. I feel like you never have to heal when an boss has both debuff/buff. And less healing means more damage.
Ann is also super useful for Tarunda and Pink Buster early game. And if you read Knowing the Heart, fire can technical off of rage. Rage makes enemies take double damage and stacks with Rakunda/Debilitate. A rage-based party with Joker, Haru, and Ann puts out insane damage.
I’m actually really happy you put Ann in god tier where she deserves to be. Heres my list 1. Ryuji and Ann (they are literally just physical and magical counterparts) Ryuji- matarukaja is great, trait is one of the best, highest endurance, shock is insanely good especially with makoto and shock boost (people underestimate it), physical damage is insane, natural charge, fighting spirit is awesome, etc. the only possible negative is that he could run out of sp on long palace runs due to his lower sp pool (especially in the final palace after his 3rd awakening) Ann- fire is honestly pretty good throughout the entire game, she’s basically mandatory for kaneshiro boss unless joker has a persona with Dormina, tarunda is super underrated, her trait helps out basically every character except kasumi, underrated synergy with akechi (lowering each others sp cost on moves. I used this during 3rd semester final boss), her damage is insane, natural concentrate, high energy is great, character with highest max sp (I think), etc. with her only real negative being reliant on sp, making long palace runs slightly harder. Though I never had too much of a problem with her sp specifically 3. Makoto- nuke is pretty good especially for mid game, healing outclassing Morgana in endgame, great synergy with Ann and ryuji (and Yuskue but I don’t like using them together), decent damage, forget is one of the best ailments for mid game, marakukaja is arguably better than matarukaja specifically in the endgame, can basically be best in slot for any comp, extremely versatile, I don’t like checkmate (her 3rd awakening skill) but it’s not too bad. Her only real negative is definitely her sp consumption 4- haru- extremely underrated. One build people overlook is her support build using skills like Amrita shower as well as both karn skills (until getting life wall). Not many enemies use nuke which is great because haru is weak to nuke, can serve as a technical bot while supporting, damage is pretty good, etc. I definitely recommend putting vault guardian on her if running her as a support as it gives her marakukaja (meaning makoto loses value and Morgana gains value as haru can also cleanse status ailments while makoto can’t) and a barrier that can reflect one attack. Her main downside is that she’s never really best in slot but can fit anywhere 5- Morgana- it looks weird having Morgana over Yuskue, kasumi, and akechi but hear me out. Morgana is really valuable early-mid game and can still have value after getting makoto. I like to run Ann burn team (with her, Morgana and makoto) where they can technical off of Ann’s burn on enemies and I run Morgana as a buffer/debuffer while makoto is the main healer (I make her the healer due to her better endurance), I give Morgana debilitate and usually matarukaja from jazz club while only keeping samarecarm from his base kit out of his healing skills. As I said about haru using vault guardian, easily just out Morgana with her as he becomes better than makoto for the pairing and even put Yuskue on the team for a very defensive team that can still output good damage. 6- Yusuke- I honestly think he’s not as great as people think. I love his trait (chance to dodge physical attacks for the whole party) but I feel as tho he doesn’t establish a real role for himself while also being more restrictive in team comps. He’s not essential for the ryuji makoto core as you can just use kasumi, akechi or even haru instead. Yeah masukukaja is great but it can easily be given to someone else via jazz club. He doesn’t work well with Ann as for some reason they made it so that they can’t technical off each other’s respective statuses (burn and freeze), he’s kinda reliant on baton pass which is hard to get for boss fights as a lot of them don’t have weaknesses or can’t be knocked down. I like using him with Morgana for a masukukaja and masukunda combo while Morgana also being able to heal but idk. Ice isn’t too good as an element either in this game 7- kasumi- I don’t have much to say about her but she’s naturally vulnerable to insta kill attacks, feels very replaceable on the one team she’s viable on (physical with ryuji and makoto/morgana), bless is decent but she joins so late to the point where not many enemies are weak to it 8- akechi- unfortunate but he’s horrible and suffers the same issue as yusuke and kasumi (being that they don’t have a stable spot in any team), sure debilitate is nice but someone else probably has it making him redundant, his trait isn’t that great I just wanted to test it with Ann, though he can probably synergize well with ryuji with it, no statuses for others to technical on, sucks for final boss (uses bless attacks), vulnerable to insta kill, etc If anyone actually read the whole thing definitely give thoughts because in very willing to talk about it
I read it. I think this could easily replace mine. A safer team would include Morgana which would boost him up there. I personally think that Haru is better than Yusuke but his late game physical damage and support is just a little too good to stay behind Haru. Great list!
@@locloudanerpg I feel like people underrate the less popular skills from the jazz club like the aoe buffs and debuffs when they can easily make a character like Morgana actually viable and versatile
Morgana is just too mono-focused as a healer. That's bad because P5 was always easy, and P5R is even easier. Morgana also takes too long to advance their Confidant. Besides healing, Morgana's only use is arguably being the best character for Treasure monsters due to his speed and Miracle Punch.
Morgana doesn’t offer much as items pretty much do the same as he does, and he doesn’t paid well with anyone else other than capitalizing on an occasional burn from Ann. He’s just severely outclassed once you get to the mid-game, but he’s okay early on.
The only time I actually used Kasumi, is during the Lavenza fight, her persona traits helps with your party members not getting downed when struck by a weakness. Plus, she great for the first few phases, just have her get a crit, baton pass and leave the damage to Ryuji and Ann.
Man you thought so much more about team composition and stuff than I did. The only thought that ran through my head past like the 3rd palace was; "BY THE MYRIAD TRUTHS!"
Yep, Ryuji and Ann as the OG PT outclass everyone. Makoto is fine...I do like her equipment which boosts her stats. Shame for akechi, I really like using him once he drops his facade of Ace detective with his Berserk inspired costume and Attack with joker.
Makoto is kind of busted with her judge's hand gun, stat boosts are actually bugged to give double the stats which makes judge's hand +21 to all which is kind of ridiculous
Morgana is not Shit Tier. He is your healer for the hardest part of the game. You don't want Joker healing, so it's going to be him. Proud Presence is super useful as an early/midgame trait, magic users are better for a majority of the game because of the Amp accessories in Kichijoji, and unlike P5 Vanilla, you can improve his skillset with Jazz Jin. Makoto does not get Mediarahan until level 65, so she is not exclusively better for a good chunk of the game.
Morgana can heal but dedicated healers is not needed in this game, the only good thing about him is that he can "menu heal" and thats it. Everyone else can do several other things instead of one role. Makoto can deal demage, buff and heal.
He falls off hard, on any difficulty above normal, you have to drop him because he ends up being a liability, Ann with the crystal of lust can heal through palace 2 and Makoto and Ann together can keep a team alive and that's ignoring if joker has a healing persona like saki magatama
@@samsterling3332 Joker should absolutely not be healing if we're talking any sort of efficiency. Ann is busy enough (and has her SP tied up) with Tarunda and damage dealing. And Morgana works great with a team of Makoto and Ann, due to technical synergy and the fact that his trait will boost their healing, as well. I only play Hard and Merciless and use him for a majority of the game. He does not fall off until late in the game.
@@moondragon5630 This is not true. Everyone talks about the game as if only the endgame matters. You will need a healer early through midgame, particularly for bosses, sub-bosses, and Will Seed bosses. And Morgana can heal and do damage, too. Additionally, he can buff through gear like the Vault Guardian accessory or by taking him to Jazz Jin. With gear, he also the highest SP early on making it a perfect role for him.
@@DJ-yo9oiI mean Joker can hold 8-10 personas, so I don’t think is that big a deal to hold just one full heal persona. Also I just recently restarted on hard and I replaced Morgana as soon as I got Yusuke. Didn’t really cause a problem later in the game not using mona mona
It always hurts to see my boi akechi be at the bottom of the list but can't blame you for it since atlus like some dummies made Kasumi and akechi only late game party members but other than that your list is pretty much correct in my opinion👌👌
think this is mostly solid other then kasumi and morgana should move up 1. akechi does have rebellion blade on his 3rd evolution which can be useful for the final boss and the boss rush but mostly unusable. morgana is a character who you will use for quite a bit in early game till when makoto is competent to be sold enough to cover healing. kasumi, yusuke and haru are the trio who you may switch in depending on what you need namely for specific bosses like lavenza. Ryuji, Ann and Makoto is the solid go-to team
Mona is far from shit. First of all, he learns his healing spells way before Queen (Mediarama at 34 vs 41, Mediarahan at 57 vs 65), and his passive lets him keep the team alive on his own, especially when you have physical attackers constantly consuming their HP. On Merciless, getting your weakness hit is invariably lethal, and no one but Joker can negate their weakness. Therefore, the importance of revival can't be understated, something else that Mona has covered and Queen doesn't. Lastly, his best-in-slot curved sword gives him +50 SP, which gives him 366 at level 99, more than Queen's 330 (and she's almost always the first on the team to run out too) That said, I won't deny that Queen is much better offensively, and her Makajama blows Pulinpa out of the water. I think they're about even. Tier S: Skull Tier A: Mona, Panther, Queen, Crow (Palace 9) Tier B: Fox, Noir Tier C: Crow (Palace 6), Violet
As someone who started playing Persona 5 Royal this year and has heard that Morgan is bad many times, he is not Bad as a Wind user snd Healer. I even got him to around level 70 just before the 5th Palace.
You know I think the dev team has a physical bias. Physical ends up being the go to by mid-late game and sometimes even early game like in SMT 5 with that multi-hit attack that can crit. It doesn't even drop off until you get the defense ignore attack and even then it is still a good move.
compared to reload and golden, in royal magic is actually decent enough with myriad truths basically making that investment worthwhile. old persona games 1-2ep have a much better track record with magic even to the point magic ends up being better though in 1 and ep it's quite balanced
@@DJ-yo9oi I'm not tyring to start an argument but that is a DLC persona ability. The persona DLC trivilizes the already easy new games especially when compared to the ball busting of the past games. Kaguya's shining arrows pretty much breaks the early game. And yes magic can be decent depending on the game and how generous our dev overlords want to be with weakness exploits but phys is easier to set up and maintain while also being not sp expensive with very few enemies being phys resist or immune. SP can be strictly used for healing/buffs/debilitate. The almighty spells that you will end up using end game because hitting weaknesses just ain't a thing for mid to late game bosses are sp heavy.
@@BronxDragon SP management is extremely easy in Royal compared to Vanilla, especially late game. And, again, Amp accessories are available from Kichijoji, which is really early. Just slap them on your mages, and done. That is really easy set-up.
A couple notes: -Natural charge and concentrate is not that big a deal really by the Ship. You can farm Earth Beans and Star Onions for no time slot and quickly build up massive reserves. -I think you really overestimate how important the ultimate skills are. They only come into play for the final dungeon. -The differential between magic and physical attackers is not that big. Physical attackers are still better, but magic having access to boost and amp skills really evens the playing field. At level 99, Makoto's atomic flare has a power of roughly 214, while Ryuji's God's Hand has a power of roughly 242. That's still a noticeable difference, but it's hardly absurd, and this is endgame, where stat and power differentials are at their highest - Ryuji has 73 strength and Makoto has 65 magic, while God's Hand has around twice the power of Cosmic Flare (√800 to √200 is roughly 28 to 14). Compare this to earlier in the game: Assault Dive has basically 1.4 more power than Frelia (√130 to √100 is 11.4 to 10). And these are at lower levels, where the difference between Ryuji's strength and Makoto's magic isn't so pronounced. Plus, Assault Dive and Frelia will be those two's main damage dealers until levels 53 and 50 respectively, which is the Bank until really the Ship or the late Casino. For most of the game, physical and magic damage is roughly equivalent. My personal ranking, from worst to best is- Akechi (same reason you mentioned) Sumire (again, no notes) Haru (her kit really suffers from the fact that building her support requires sacrificing her offense and building her offense requires sacrificing support, which is not a problem for most other party members) Morgana (falls off real hard but dedicated healing is useful for a while) Yusuke (good damage + buffs, although suku is by far the least useful and Luster Candy only comes for the final dungeon. Plus, even though he's the only one who wants jazz club charge, he's most affected by the lack of natty charge, because he's without it for the longest - Charge is 9/4 and Concentrate is 9/25, but you should get both before doing the spaceport, which is the first dungeon where you can use either - and his bag other than damage dealing is literally just masukukaja.) Ann (Sleep is busted and early tarunda is awesome, but only giving her blazing hell and not inferno really hurts in endgame. High Energy is cool but you only get it in the final dungeon and you have to build the entire party around one skill, and even though I went into great detail explaining why the phys/mag differential isn't that big, it still exists, especially in endgame, so building your party around magic damage isn't ideal) Makoto (good damage + buffs + healing, and checkmate is a nice bonus) Ryuji (great damage + best buff + perfect availability + tankiest party member by far) Best party is Ryuji/Yusuke/Makoto against bosses for the complete package of buffs, Ryuji/Ann/Makoto for normal enemies for the most reliable technical access. If there's a mini boss with a specific weakness not covered by those three, sub out Ann or Makoto depending on if you want better heals or more reliable technicals.
For most of the game, magic is actually better. Amp accessories can be obtained early from Kichijoji, and for Ann, even earlier (as soon as you can itemize Asterius). This was a huge buff to magic users. Late/endgame (or even earlier), with DLC, Myriad Truths > all. Fire and Psy can also technical off of rage, which does insane damage due to the built-in defense penalty that stacks with Rakunda/Debilitate. Additionally, several bosses are resistant to physical, which is why I would not say the best party for bosses is physical-based. I feel like you're underestimating Haru and Ann. Psy can technical off of so many things (including Rage), and she has enough access to Jazz Jin to give her some good support skills. Heat Riser sucks, but her trait can be pretty useful, and she effectively has two elements. Ann can equip the Inferno skill accessory because you get her so early that with Jazz Jin, she isn't super accessory-dependent at that point in the endgame. As I said, Myriad Truths is the best skill, and it is magic. Having Ann Concentrate Joker and the rest of the party (that is 250% increase to everyone's damage) is killer endgame. Random, but Checkmate is just okay. Most bosses are solo, and the final boss' tentacles don't need debuffed.
Everyone loves to sh*t on Morgana, but Ryuji almost made me rage quit the game several times, a lot more irritating than Morgana imo, absolutely hate the guy.
My list: 1. Makoto: Her nuclear skills are so good, the most useful healer, she can increase the party defense and Checkmate is an exceptional skill to reduce all the stats of all the enemies. 2. Ryuji: His physical skills can make a ridiculous amount of damage and he can give Charge to all the party. 3. Sumire, my Persona 5 Waifu ❤️💖: She's the only party member with the skill to increase the critical rate of all the party, Masquerade is a very strong physical attack, she can learn Diahran to complete heal one ally and her light skills are good, her only downside is that you can only use her in the final dungeon. 4. Yusuke: Good physical and ice skills and he can increase all the stats of all the party in one turn, which is very good. 5. Ann: The strongest magic attacker in the game, she can give Concentrate to all the party and also give good support by reducing the attack of all the enemies. 6. Haru: Her PSI skills are great, can learn good skills and she's an underrated waifu❤ 7. Morgana: He has good wind skills and healing skills, but he's physical skills are not very useful and he can be killed in 2 or 3 hits because of his low defense. 8. Akechi: The only good thing of him is his unique skill Rebellion Blade, which makes a lot of damage.
I think the problem with some of the character's builds is that their not coherent, they sometimes feel kinda randomly strewn together rather than based on classes like Damage Dealers, Tanks, Healers, Etc. Plus it doesnt help that they don't use high tier skills like Firm Stance or Angelic Grace
the Technical mechanic overdo makes Makoto and Haru completely busted. Lockdown almost any enemy lol
The Joker-Ryuji-Makoto-Haru team is probably my favourite one to play. Haru and Makoto compliment each other so well to abuse technical damage and it's so fun.
Something I feel like people never bring up when discussing Makoto and Ann is how strong Tarunda/Rakukaja combo is.
I feel like you never have to heal when an boss has both debuff/buff.
And less healing means more damage.
Ann is also super useful for Tarunda and Pink Buster early game. And if you read Knowing the Heart, fire can technical off of rage. Rage makes enemies take double damage and stacks with Rakunda/Debilitate. A rage-based party with Joker, Haru, and Ann puts out insane damage.
When it comes to Yusuke i tend to make Senryou Yakusha R for his weapon for most of the game because the +12 to attack really helps him.
As someone who's played P5R multiple times, this list kinda hurts my soul. Please do Saga Frontier sometime man, that'd be a fun one!
I’m actually really happy you put Ann in god tier where she deserves to be. Heres my list
1. Ryuji and Ann (they are literally just physical and magical counterparts)
Ryuji- matarukaja is great, trait is one of the best, highest endurance, shock is insanely good especially with makoto and shock boost (people underestimate it), physical damage is insane, natural charge, fighting spirit is awesome, etc. the only possible negative is that he could run out of sp on long palace runs due to his lower sp pool (especially in the final palace after his 3rd awakening)
Ann- fire is honestly pretty good throughout the entire game, she’s basically mandatory for kaneshiro boss unless joker has a persona with Dormina, tarunda is super underrated, her trait helps out basically every character except kasumi, underrated synergy with akechi (lowering each others sp cost on moves. I used this during 3rd semester final boss), her damage is insane, natural concentrate, high energy is great, character with highest max sp (I think), etc. with her only real negative being reliant on sp, making long palace runs slightly harder. Though I never had too much of a problem with her sp specifically
3. Makoto- nuke is pretty good especially for mid game, healing outclassing Morgana in endgame, great synergy with Ann and ryuji (and Yuskue but I don’t like using them together), decent damage, forget is one of the best ailments for mid game, marakukaja is arguably better than matarukaja specifically in the endgame, can basically be best in slot for any comp, extremely versatile, I don’t like checkmate (her 3rd awakening skill) but it’s not too bad. Her only real negative is definitely her sp consumption
4- haru- extremely underrated. One build people overlook is her support build using skills like Amrita shower as well as both karn skills (until getting life wall). Not many enemies use nuke which is great because haru is weak to nuke, can serve as a technical bot while supporting, damage is pretty good, etc. I definitely recommend putting vault guardian on her if running her as a support as it gives her marakukaja (meaning makoto loses value and Morgana gains value as haru can also cleanse status ailments while makoto can’t) and a barrier that can reflect one attack. Her main downside is that she’s never really best in slot but can fit anywhere
5- Morgana- it looks weird having Morgana over Yuskue, kasumi, and akechi but hear me out. Morgana is really valuable early-mid game and can still have value after getting makoto. I like to run Ann burn team (with her, Morgana and makoto) where they can technical off of Ann’s burn on enemies and I run Morgana as a buffer/debuffer while makoto is the main healer (I make her the healer due to her better endurance), I give Morgana debilitate and usually matarukaja from jazz club while only keeping samarecarm from his base kit out of his healing skills. As I said about haru using vault guardian, easily just out Morgana with her as he becomes better than makoto for the pairing and even put Yuskue on the team for a very defensive team that can still output good damage.
6- Yusuke- I honestly think he’s not as great as people think. I love his trait (chance to dodge physical attacks for the whole party) but I feel as tho he doesn’t establish a real role for himself while also being more restrictive in team comps. He’s not essential for the ryuji makoto core as you can just use kasumi, akechi or even haru instead. Yeah masukukaja is great but it can easily be given to someone else via jazz club. He doesn’t work well with Ann as for some reason they made it so that they can’t technical off each other’s respective statuses (burn and freeze), he’s kinda reliant on baton pass which is hard to get for boss fights as a lot of them don’t have weaknesses or can’t be knocked down. I like using him with Morgana for a masukukaja and masukunda combo while Morgana also being able to heal but idk. Ice isn’t too good as an element either in this game
7- kasumi- I don’t have much to say about her but she’s naturally vulnerable to insta kill attacks, feels very replaceable on the one team she’s viable on (physical with ryuji and makoto/morgana), bless is decent but she joins so late to the point where not many enemies are weak to it
8- akechi- unfortunate but he’s horrible and suffers the same issue as yusuke and kasumi (being that they don’t have a stable spot in any team), sure debilitate is nice but someone else probably has it making him redundant, his trait isn’t that great I just wanted to test it with Ann, though he can probably synergize well with ryuji with it, no statuses for others to technical on, sucks for final boss (uses bless attacks), vulnerable to insta kill, etc
If anyone actually read the whole thing definitely give thoughts because in very willing to talk about it
I read it. I think this could easily replace mine. A safer team would include Morgana which would boost him up there. I personally think that Haru is better than Yusuke but his late game physical damage and support is just a little too good to stay behind Haru. Great list!
@@locloudanerpg I feel like people underrate the less popular skills from the jazz club like the aoe buffs and debuffs when they can easily make a character like Morgana actually viable and versatile
People always be underrating Morgana i hope the same doesn't apply here
The same applied here
I disagree, I think they rated him just fine
I absolutely despise Morgana as a character, and even I can say he(?) is a good party member
Morgana is just too mono-focused as a healer. That's bad because P5 was always easy, and P5R is even easier. Morgana also takes too long to advance their Confidant.
Besides healing, Morgana's only use is arguably being the best character for Treasure monsters due to his speed and Miracle Punch.
Morgana doesn’t offer much as items pretty much do the same as he does, and he doesn’t paid well with anyone else other than capitalizing on an occasional burn from Ann. He’s just severely outclassed once you get to the mid-game, but he’s okay early on.
Kasumi and Akechi were my two faves 😂
The only time I actually used Kasumi, is during the Lavenza fight, her persona traits helps with your party members not getting downed when struck by a weakness. Plus, she great for the first few phases, just have her get a crit, baton pass and leave the damage to Ryuji and Ann.
I've been waiting for this.
Man you thought so much more about team composition and stuff than I did. The only thought that ran through my head past like the 3rd palace was; "BY THE MYRIAD TRUTHS!"
@@seb__ it’s what I do haha
I love akechi as a character though XD i still use him despite his time in the party being short
Best girl & best boy in the god tier where they deserve to be. Both of them along with Makoto were mainstays in my party for most of the game.
Yep, Ryuji and Ann as the OG PT outclass everyone. Makoto is fine...I do like her equipment which boosts her stats.
Shame for akechi, I really like using him once he drops his facade of Ace detective with his Berserk inspired costume and Attack with joker.
Makoto is kind of busted with her judge's hand gun, stat boosts are actually bugged to give double the stats which makes judge's hand +21 to all which is kind of ridiculous
@@nightwish1453 SAY WHAT?????!!!!
Morgana is not Shit Tier. He is your healer for the hardest part of the game. You don't want Joker healing, so it's going to be him. Proud Presence is super useful as an early/midgame trait, magic users are better for a majority of the game because of the Amp accessories in Kichijoji, and unlike P5 Vanilla, you can improve his skillset with Jazz Jin. Makoto does not get Mediarahan until level 65, so she is not exclusively better for a good chunk of the game.
Morgana can heal but dedicated healers is not needed in this game, the only good thing about him is that he can "menu heal" and thats it. Everyone else can do several other things instead of one role. Makoto can deal demage, buff and heal.
He falls off hard, on any difficulty above normal, you have to drop him because he ends up being a liability, Ann with the crystal of lust can heal through palace 2 and Makoto and Ann together can keep a team alive and that's ignoring if joker has a healing persona like saki magatama
@@samsterling3332 Joker should absolutely not be healing if we're talking any sort of efficiency. Ann is busy enough (and has her SP tied up) with Tarunda and damage dealing. And Morgana works great with a team of Makoto and Ann, due to technical synergy and the fact that his trait will boost their healing, as well.
I only play Hard and Merciless and use him for a majority of the game. He does not fall off until late in the game.
@@moondragon5630 This is not true. Everyone talks about the game as if only the endgame matters. You will need a healer early through midgame, particularly for bosses, sub-bosses, and Will Seed bosses.
And Morgana can heal and do damage, too. Additionally, he can buff through gear like the Vault Guardian accessory or by taking him to Jazz Jin. With gear, he also the highest SP early on making it a perfect role for him.
@@DJ-yo9oiI mean Joker can hold 8-10 personas, so I don’t think is that big a deal to hold just one full heal persona. Also I just recently restarted on hard and I replaced Morgana as soon as I got Yusuke. Didn’t really cause a problem later in the game not using mona mona
It always hurts to see my boi akechi be at the bottom of the list but can't blame you for it since atlus like some dummies made Kasumi and akechi only late game party members but other than that your list is pretty much correct in my opinion👌👌
They're both great, it's just not optimal to use someone you haven't been building through the entire game.
Everyone is great, imo
I agree. Everyone has a niche, which is great
Love to see your videos pop up!!!
Locouldane do think of a tales of graces f tier list
Coming back around to P5R after finishing Metaphor, I'm on an Atlus kick again!
That's a good kick. Be sure to hit up Shim Megami Tensei V Vengeance as well. It's fantastic.
think this is mostly solid other then kasumi and morgana should move up 1. akechi does have rebellion blade on his 3rd evolution which can be useful for the final boss and the boss rush but mostly unusable. morgana is a character who you will use for quite a bit in early game till when makoto is competent to be sold enough to cover healing. kasumi, yusuke and haru are the trio who you may switch in depending on what you need namely for specific bosses like lavenza. Ryuji, Ann and Makoto is the solid go-to team
Mona is far from shit. First of all, he learns his healing spells way before Queen (Mediarama at 34 vs 41, Mediarahan at 57 vs 65), and his passive lets him keep the team alive on his own, especially when you have physical attackers constantly consuming their HP. On Merciless, getting your weakness hit is invariably lethal, and no one but Joker can negate their weakness. Therefore, the importance of revival can't be understated, something else that Mona has covered and Queen doesn't. Lastly, his best-in-slot curved sword gives him +50 SP, which gives him 366 at level 99, more than Queen's 330 (and she's almost always the first on the team to run out too)
That said, I won't deny that Queen is much better offensively, and her Makajama blows Pulinpa out of the water. I think they're about even.
Tier S: Skull
Tier A: Mona, Panther, Queen, Crow (Palace 9)
Tier B: Fox, Noir
Tier C: Crow (Palace 6), Violet
As someone who started playing Persona 5 Royal this year and has heard that Morgan is bad many times, he is not Bad as a Wind user snd Healer. I even got him to around level 70 just before the 5th Palace.
Ryuji is the best boi and deserves some Love. Why did Atlus do my boy dirty in the story.
Love your ranking! It's funny how Akechi is Trash ingame despite being an S-tier character 😂
Tokyo mirage sessions next please.
It’s on my list. Might take me a few months to get there.
@@locloudanerpg that's fine. It'd be worth it
You know I think the dev team has a physical bias. Physical ends up being the go to by mid-late game and sometimes even early game like in SMT 5 with that multi-hit attack that can crit. It doesn't even drop off until you get the defense ignore attack and even then it is still a good move.
compared to reload and golden, in royal magic is actually decent enough with myriad truths basically making that investment worthwhile. old persona games 1-2ep have a much better track record with magic even to the point magic ends up being better though in 1 and ep it's quite balanced
Myriad Truths, a magic ability, is the most powerful ability in the game. And Royal sells Amp accessories early in Kichijoji.
@@DJ-yo9oi I'm not tyring to start an argument but that is a DLC persona ability. The persona DLC trivilizes the already easy new games especially when compared to the ball busting of the past games. Kaguya's shining arrows pretty much breaks the early game.
And yes magic can be decent depending on the game and how generous our dev overlords want to be with weakness exploits but phys is easier to set up and maintain while also being not sp expensive with very few enemies being phys resist or immune. SP can be strictly used for healing/buffs/debilitate. The almighty spells that you will end up using end game because hitting weaknesses just ain't a thing for mid to late game bosses are sp heavy.
@@BronxDragon SP management is extremely easy in Royal compared to Vanilla, especially late game.
And, again, Amp accessories are available from Kichijoji, which is really early. Just slap them on your mages, and done. That is really easy set-up.
If you included navigators in persona tier lists, where would Futaba rank?
Futaba breaks the game. God Tier.
@@locloudanerpg I used the bar for Futaba on my first playthrough. The buffs it gave her were amazing.
Hey guys, has the indivisible list been made yet? 😃 Glad a P5 list was made
I have the research done, just working through some patreon requests first.
@@locloudanerpg Yayyyy
Can you do Persona 5 Strikers Tier list?
Yeah, I’ll throw it on my list.
A couple notes:
-Natural charge and concentrate is not that big a deal really by the Ship. You can farm Earth Beans and Star Onions for no time slot and quickly build up massive reserves.
-I think you really overestimate how important the ultimate skills are. They only come into play for the final dungeon.
-The differential between magic and physical attackers is not that big. Physical attackers are still better, but magic having access to boost and amp skills really evens the playing field. At level 99, Makoto's atomic flare has a power of roughly 214, while Ryuji's God's Hand has a power of roughly 242. That's still a noticeable difference, but it's hardly absurd, and this is endgame, where stat and power differentials are at their highest - Ryuji has 73 strength and Makoto has 65 magic, while God's Hand has around twice the power of Cosmic Flare (√800 to √200 is roughly 28 to 14). Compare this to earlier in the game: Assault Dive has basically 1.4 more power than Frelia (√130 to √100 is 11.4 to 10). And these are at lower levels, where the difference between Ryuji's strength and Makoto's magic isn't so pronounced. Plus, Assault Dive and Frelia will be those two's main damage dealers until levels 53 and 50 respectively, which is the Bank until really the Ship or the late Casino. For most of the game, physical and magic damage is roughly equivalent.
My personal ranking, from worst to best is-
Akechi (same reason you mentioned)
Sumire (again, no notes)
Haru (her kit really suffers from the fact that building her support requires sacrificing her offense and building her offense requires sacrificing support, which is not a problem for most other party members)
Morgana (falls off real hard but dedicated healing is useful for a while)
Yusuke (good damage + buffs, although suku is by far the least useful and Luster Candy only comes for the final dungeon. Plus, even though he's the only one who wants jazz club charge, he's most affected by the lack of natty charge, because he's without it for the longest - Charge is 9/4 and Concentrate is 9/25, but you should get both before doing the spaceport, which is the first dungeon where you can use either - and his bag other than damage dealing is literally just masukukaja.)
Ann (Sleep is busted and early tarunda is awesome, but only giving her blazing hell and not inferno really hurts in endgame. High Energy is cool but you only get it in the final dungeon and you have to build the entire party around one skill, and even though I went into great detail explaining why the phys/mag differential isn't that big, it still exists, especially in endgame, so building your party around magic damage isn't ideal)
Makoto (good damage + buffs + healing, and checkmate is a nice bonus)
Ryuji (great damage + best buff + perfect availability + tankiest party member by far)
Best party is Ryuji/Yusuke/Makoto against bosses for the complete package of buffs, Ryuji/Ann/Makoto for normal enemies for the most reliable technical access. If there's a mini boss with a specific weakness not covered by those three, sub out Ann or Makoto depending on if you want better heals or more reliable technicals.
For most of the game, magic is actually better. Amp accessories can be obtained early from Kichijoji, and for Ann, even earlier (as soon as you can itemize Asterius). This was a huge buff to magic users. Late/endgame (or even earlier), with DLC, Myriad Truths > all. Fire and Psy can also technical off of rage, which does insane damage due to the built-in defense penalty that stacks with Rakunda/Debilitate. Additionally, several bosses are resistant to physical, which is why I would not say the best party for bosses is physical-based.
I feel like you're underestimating Haru and Ann. Psy can technical off of so many things (including Rage), and she has enough access to Jazz Jin to give her some good support skills. Heat Riser sucks, but her trait can be pretty useful, and she effectively has two elements. Ann can equip the Inferno skill accessory because you get her so early that with Jazz Jin, she isn't super accessory-dependent at that point in the endgame. As I said, Myriad Truths is the best skill, and it is magic. Having Ann Concentrate Joker and the rest of the party (that is 250% increase to everyone's damage) is killer endgame.
Random, but Checkmate is just okay. Most bosses are solo, and the final boss' tentacles don't need debuffed.
Nobody is shit tier in this game. Royal is so easy it doesn't matter who you use.
I'm guessing Futaba is your waifu.
Ann that high? she is mostly Eye Candy, no physical Attack beside the decent Gun. In royal, Akechi is more useful with that almighty stuff
Everyone loves to sh*t on Morgana, but Ryuji almost made me rage quit the game several times, a lot more irritating than Morgana imo, absolutely hate the guy.
oh hell no, akechi is not SHIT teir, best party member, his accesability? No one cares, best character
The fact that you can't date ruiji in p5 should be criminal.
Best party members P3 reload
Can someone please tell me if a amp move stacks with a boost move do I need to have both moves in my move set?
You have to have both
@JohnRuth-qg5gp well you don't HAVE to. But if you want max damage then yea
I'm 99% Persona 3 Reload is next.
😂 not quite. I need to wait for the final dlc to be released. But close!
@locloudanerpg Oh OK 👍
My list:
1. Makoto: Her nuclear skills are so good, the most useful healer, she can increase the party defense and Checkmate is an exceptional skill to reduce all the stats of all the enemies.
2. Ryuji: His physical skills can make a ridiculous amount of damage and he can give Charge to all the party.
3. Sumire, my Persona 5 Waifu ❤️💖: She's the only party member with the skill to increase the critical rate of all the party, Masquerade is a very strong physical attack, she can learn Diahran to complete heal one ally and her light skills are good, her only downside is that you can only use her in the final dungeon.
4. Yusuke: Good physical and ice skills and he can increase all the stats of all the party in one turn, which is very good.
5. Ann: The strongest magic attacker in the game, she can give Concentrate to all the party and also give good support by reducing the attack of all the enemies.
6. Haru: Her PSI skills are great, can learn good skills and she's an underrated waifu❤
7. Morgana: He has good wind skills and healing skills, but he's physical skills are not very useful and he can be killed in 2 or 3 hits because of his low defense.
8. Akechi: The only good thing of him is his unique skill Rebellion Blade, which makes a lot of damage.
Now do eiyuden chronicle hundred heroes
Coming July-August timeline.
Ryuji at top? Okay sure.
I think the problem with some of the character's builds is that their not coherent, they sometimes feel kinda randomly strewn together rather than based on classes like Damage Dealers, Tanks, Healers, Etc. Plus it doesnt help that they don't use high tier skills like Firm Stance or Angelic Grace
Sucks Akechi is always shit becuase I love him as a character
I feel that too he's my favorite character soooo 😅
i suspected that Makoto was high tier
but i would have used her even if she was shit tier
she and her persona are just sick as hell
Ann being God tier 🙄
It's true, and is the general consensus...
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