James Cameron's commentary; So this whole scene was taken out. It shows the Marconi room in operation. You can see messages coming in thru the Marconi tube, which the operators woudl open and then transmit. They are completely back-logged. This is historically accurate. This was stepping stones leading to the disaster that we felt was necessary but turns out it wasn't. But here Jonathan Phillips the senior operator was in touch with the Californian who was near ice and stopped. But instead of heeding the warning, he sent back a message to shut up. The CA operator gave up for the night and so they never heard the Titanic even though it was closest to it. A lot of people feel this was a contributing-factor in the # of deaths. So here these guys are stopped right in the ice-field the Titanic is about to run into and were unable to warn her. Meanwhile, Titanic is still going 22.5 knots. EDIT June 2023: Re-transcribed word4word: "So this whole scene was taken out. It shows the Marconi room in operation. You can see messages arriving thru a pneumatic tube, which the 2 Marconi operators would open and they would transmit them and they are completely backlogged, overwhelmed with work. This is historically accurate. It was one of these sort of stepping stones to the disaster that we felt was necessary but turned out to be unnecessary in the telling of the story. But in fact here, Jonathan Phillips, the senior Marconi operator was in touch with another ship nearby that had actually seen the ice and had stopped for the ice and instead heeding the warning, he sent back a message for them to shut up. At which point the operator on the ship, which is called the Californian decided to sign off for the night. As a result of that, the Californian, which was actually pretty close to the Titanic, didn't get the Titanic's SOS messages later because this guy had shut down his set, gone to bed. A lot of people feel this was a contributing factor in the number of deaths involved in the sinking of the Titanic. So here these guys are stopped, just a few miles away, starring directly at the ice-field that the Titanic is about to run into and were unable to warn her. Meanwhile Titanic is still going 22.5 knots straight ahead straight into the icefield"
Californian wouldn't have done shit. When they finally got the message after Evans was re-awakened, it was 6 P.M. It still took forever for Lord to do something and they went through the ice really slowly. They arrived on the scene on 8:30 P.M..... far too late.
Actually no, Titanic was going at 22.3 knots not 22.5, I heard smith was considering slowing her to 18 knots but decided not to for fear of arriving later.
@@N-L3 I'm pretty sure the tolerance for speed measurement back then was larger than 0.2 knots LOL they had no speedometer just prop RPMs I imagine. What i wrote is verbatim what James Cameron said on DVD but I do make mistakes. Edit they did have a 'Patent log' also that measured distance like an odometer sorta.
Like an old anecdote : Titanic passenger in panic mode : There are no lifeboats left! They are all gone half-empty ! Captain, how far is closest land ? Captain : Pretty close. Approximately ...well... 2 miles away Passenger : Thank God ! But what if we miss it in this darkness ? Captain : Laws of physics say: we cant possibly miss it . We definetely will reach the land very soon. My guess would be - 5 minutes tops. God bless gravitation and good luck !
It's important to the Titanic's story, yes. But it's a completely separate subject to the main story, which is that between Jack and Rose, not that of the ship itself. And if this scene with the Carpathian was included, both it and its crew would have to have much more screen time to contribute to the story and not stick out like a sore thumb, and the film was already three hours long. James Cameron apparently also wanted to give even more of a sense of little to no one being around to help, which is why only the Carpathian is mentioned and seen briefly since it rescued the survivors, but no mention of the Californian, the Olympic or any other ships the Titanic was reaching out to that night. I also think having icebergs initially appear as they did here would've made it less tense when the one that fatally struck the Titanic appeared.
little detail: Califrnian operator didn't mark his message as urgent, so Titanic operator thought it was just a little chat like they did in those times ("hello, friend" or something like this)
It's a good scene but I can see why Cameron left it out. He was shooting a love story/disaster movie, not a documentary. He wanted to keep the drama tightly focused on Titanic and the people on it. Everything else would have been a distraction.
@@commanderjameson2708I wished they would kept the romance out, dont get me wrong, its not of a big problem for me, but it’s just so cheesy. If they did more history accurate scenes in the movie, it would be more enjoyable.
@@Legxendcruxh100 haha, then the movie wouldn't have been the huge hit it was. I personally knew a girl who went to see it 4 times, and I'm sure that wasn't unusual.
@@Legxendcruxh100 You should watch "A night to remember" then. It is much more focused on the historical events, as known at the time. I still think Cameron had a stroke of genius when he put Romeo and Juliet on the Titanic. People like me will fall in love with the ship, bust most people will identify or adore one of the protagonists. The tragedy stems from the human element and the hopes and dreams of so many people being abruptly, horrifically and pointlessly ended. There is no film about Titanic, which conveys this better and the movies' message is for the Titanic nerds, to let that tragedy enter their hearts. I guess Cameron himself was conflicted a bit about diving down there. It's exciting to think about the horrors and get everything back to the surface, but it is also a grave to be respected. The film explores this conflict and I mind the romance about as much, as I mind the romance in Braveheart. It's a quick way to make an audience root for a character. Who hates true young love, right?
It's accuracy is debated, "shut up" was a very commonly used phrase in this field and assuming they closed comms as a result of that sentence is simply one historical interpretation of what happened
1:20 the foreshadowing is crazy… They’re really close to the Titanic & all you see is them in an ice field… there’s a reason they shut down for the night & warned all ships nearby
@@real_Tyles it did. however more than likely evans didn't shut down because of what john said. codes at the time were far more aggresive, things like GTH (go to hell) this is proven by something harold bride did at the senate inquiry. senator smith asked harold bride if he had bad mouthed bruce ismay (which he did) but said that if he did, he couldn't help it. obviously marconi operators at the time were used to insultng eachother. plus john was supposed to be sleeping but he worked overtime to clear a backlog of passengers' personal messages. if it weren't for him doing this, harold likely would not have been able to send distress signals. plus the californian operator didn't append the call sign of an important message, meaning that john thought he was just sending through useless banter. i mean imagine that you are working overtime for a bunch of snobby rich people and randomly hear BEEP BEEP BEEP BEEEEEP BEEP BEP BOP BOOP BEEP
This scene gives me the chills when you think about what is about to happen; Titanic is approaching her fatal collision, there are not enough boats to save everyone and most aboard will die in the freezing sea….. and the nearest ship has no idea what is going on and is radio silent…..
@@Borninthe80s.If they had more lifeboats, they couldve immediately begsn filling them. The confusion arose because they knew they didnt. So they had to lower lifeboats wondering how they could do it without startling everyone that it wasnt enough for everyone
The language used by Philips (Titanic's marconi operator) was actually equivalent to how people have online Banther today. All of the operators from all of the ships were trained in the same place so they might have known each other so it wasn't considered rude. Philips actually might have saved those few passengers that survived since a day before the sinking, the ship's marconi set was broken and he pulled an all nighter to fix it which was not recommended by company procedure
Also the Californian didn't use the proper code at the start of the message to inform Titanic it was an important message for her Captain. Philips just heard what he thought was loud BS banter in his ear and became ticked off because he had a job to do. If the Californian had started the message properly, or repeated it to Titanic until they acknowledged this may have saved her.
Yes, but recently I heard that there would have been a backup device (probably weaker, but nevertheless) they could have used rather than instantly repairing the primary device, and that Marconi procedure actually demanded to use this secondary device. In this case, the operators would maybe not have been so tired in the night of the sinking.
@@thestumpinator5774 Sir Arthur Henry Rostron was the captain of the Carpathia and Stanley Phillip Lord was the captain of the Californian. This scene takes place on the Californian.
1:20 This part hits really hard because of the soft tune along with showing the Titanic sailing smoothly and uninterrupted through the quiet calm night with a sky full of hundreds of stars just shows a lot about how not only horrifying that night was, but also beautiful.
It’s one thing to be over worked and tired but when someone warns you “hey there is a lot of ice bergs/a large ice field ahead BEWARE” it is your responsibility to relay that. I have been tired as hell but when you get something important over the radio you deal with it not ignore it or say “shut up”. This scene never should have been deleted, it was a vital piece of the story.
The Californian operator made a mistake, he didn't mark his message with the MSG prefix that signalizes the message was important and the Titanic operator was so occupied with the passenger DMs that he didn't pay attention to the message
The Californian actually kept listening longer. It’s estimated they shut down about 20-30 minutes before Titanic struck the iceberg. That being said, Californian only had one operator and given they had stopped for the night, it wasn’t seen as an oversight that they shut off the radio. What WAS an oversight was the Californian captain not waking up Evans to radio and see if the lights the crew was seeing were from a ship. Worst case scenario: Evans would have been woken up for no good reason; best case scenario, Californian kicked into action and saved countless lives.
I’m absolutely obsessed with that shot of the ice field towards the end. I do understand why it was removed so as to contain the narrative to the Titanic. From the ship’s point of view the iceberg seemingly appeared out of nowhere after being bathed in darkness. By showing us the ice field plainly beforehand it preempts the impact (literal and figurative) because we the audience know well the threat and are way ahead of the ship, crew, and passengers. By editing the film the way it is the iceberg looms upon us just as spontaneously as it does the Titanic. Still seeing all those gleaming, jagged, natural structures of death sitting, seemingly innocuously, around the Californian and then the transition to the fated ship progressing steadily and inevitably towards them, accompanied by that haunting score, absolutely chills my soul.
And the Carpathia had to navigate those dangerous iceberg fields to dash to Titanic’s rescue too. It was just so fortunate that the Carpathia’s crew was much more careful than the Titanic was. Captain Rostron had vastly increased the lookouts with some using binoculars and some not and ensured that they would be ready to instantly start turning whenever an iceberg was spotted. Many people say now that a movie about the Carpathia’s role dashing to the Titanic’s rescue should be made.
Californian finally starts their radio room back up around sunrise… Frankfurt: Titanic really did sink! Californian: Oh, well, we’ll head for that location now.
To understand Phillips’ reaction: Phillips and Bride were both up all night fixing the Marconi wireless device themselves which was against protocol so they could get the back log of passenger messages out.. Phillips had the headset turned up to max volume so he could hear cape race. He also was up for 24 hours at this point and was very cranky and tired, so when he gets the unexpected loud ringing in his ears he snapped.
@@frname7665 As per what I remember. The message from Californian was: Say Old Man, we are stopped and surrounded by ice. Which I take to mean that the Californian crew thought it was too dangerous to proceed with their voyage any further (especially at night), and they reckoned that the Titanic crew should consider doing the same.
He actually got washed off the ship with lifeboat and found himself underneath it when the first funnel fell off and made a big wave that sent that overturned lifeboat away from the ship.
@@mitsuki7212 No, I’m talking about how Harold Bride got washed off of the ship along with Collapsible B and was sent further away from the ship by a wave caused by one of the falling funnels.
@@DANIELLE_BREANNA_LACY that was Bride. Jack Phillips was the wireless operator that was lost. Bride made it on to the same upturned boat that Lightoller, Gracie and numerous others did.
Tbh getting told to shut up while warning people of dangers is frustrating as hell. No wonder he turned off the communication. Just imagine telling people to stop taking drugs and they tell you to shut up. At one point anyone would just ignore them.
As someone said, it was like online banter we have today. The crew aboard should have taken more notice the rockets going off. I don’t know how you can be in the middle of the Atlantic at 2 o clock in the morning, and not give a shit about rockets going off. I guess we will never know.
@@themightyangustma2753Because it also wasn’t proper protocol. An urgent distress signal was one rocket every minute and they waited longer between each. It’s more of an astounding blunder that the officers weren’t firing them off frantically in this situation. Like hello, you’re about to have an ocean sized icebox full of corpses soon, maybe now’s a good time for a fireworks show
What's even more frustrating is that Titanic got ice warnings all day long and dismissed them. In the film you even see Captain Smith receiving a warning and telling Rose not to worry and that it's quite normal that time of year (April)
If you'd be working as a Morse code operator trying to talk to a ship that's very far away and you suddenly get another line (which is extremely loud), you'd be pissed off too.
@@memez2551 well there's like 31 deleted scenes, which one do you want to know ? I cant remember why this scene was deleted but it was either due to pacing or because jack and rose fictional story
@@memez2551 I heard it was deleted because it’s too close to the sinking scene so it ruins the pacing by warning the audience very close to the actual sinking. I may be wrong though but that’s what I heard.
It's a shame this wasn't left in, it's helped spread alot of misinformation as people seem to believe the Titanic was all alone that night when really it wasn't
My grandad was on the californian he was 17 at the time and was called a "fireman", basically a stoker. He told my mum the captain was drunk that night and ignored the messages and they stopped the ship for the night due to the massive icebergs
@@cronavirus_ragnareich Word spreads fast within a crew of any kind. Similar to a high school with rumors.... people talk. After seeing a reenactment of the inquiry of the Californian after the accident, it would make complete sense. The transcripts show the captain being very vague with his answers and didn't take responsibility for their mistakes that night. Very sad to think that could have been a possibility.
Yes If i remember correctly they only had one appearance in the film? I wouldve loved to see more of them 🥲 at least we have those deleted scenes uploaded
Yep foolish boy but at least John stayed onto the ship till the very end even when the engine room was flooded and the power was shutting down but he still wanted to keep sending the warnings to get all the ships to come here as fast as they can but still your right eternalhalloween1 100% it was all his fault if he had listen to the Californian operator ice warnings and report to Captain Smith that would have perverted the sinking from happening even much quicker but at least Captain Stanley Lord did the right thing at stopping at night during the ice field because if we were ship Captains we must always stop at night when we’re at ice field areas so we don’t make the ships sink in them at all during night right guys but at least the Californian did try there best to help save but no the titanic just wanted to do Cape race and private message sending and that’s all that what it was to do about indeed but it’s happened and the past is the past but at least this is a very good lesson to show no ship is unsinkable at all 100% right guys.
Sad that Cameron didn’t include more of the Californian in his movie. The ship was 10-19 miles away (10 as Titanics crew and Survivors claim, or 19 as The Californians Crew claimed). Captain Smith directed the life boats to sale towards the Californian, hoping the passengers would get onboard and The Californians crew would sale the boats back to recover more passengers. The Californians crew saw the Titanics flares, saw the distress lights, saw the ship leaning to one side. And ignored or misunderstood them all. The Carpathia sailed through the night, through the iceberg field, and beat The Californian, in order to save the life boat passengers from nearly 50 miles away. In fact, the US and UK governments both dragged The Californians Captain and his crew into court, (where Titanics surviving crew and some passengers testified against The Californias crew.) Both nations courts concluded that hundreds more lives would have been saved, if The SS Californian had acted.
As important as this scene is to history, it wasn't important to the love story. James Cameron was making a love/disaster story. I can see why he made this scene and why he cut it out.
They saw them shoot up company flares, not distress flares. They had warned them about the ice before and the Titanic told them to fuck off, I wouldn’t have helped them either
U should find it infuriating if this was a movie abt the titanic sinking and not a movie abt 2 ppl falling in love on the ship that’s gonna sink, that scene literally has nothing to do w jack n rose (the ppl that movie is abt)
SS Californian: We have seen many icebergs on the way, be careful. RMS Titanic: Shut up, I'm too busy right now! SS Californian: Arrogant bastards! *Turns off his Marconi equipment* RMS Titanic: *Collides with an iceberg and sinks to the bottom of the sea* SS Californian: Hey, what happened to the Titanic? She sent me many distress signals. RMS Carphatian: She sank, and now I have in my custody the few passengers and crew who managed to save themselves. Also, seeing that you are already here, go sweep the accident area to recover the frozen bodies that were left afloat. SS Californian: Holy Shit...
More Like: Californian Wireless Operator: *sleeps* Later Californian Wireless Operator waking up and checking what messages he missed: *You have unread 1 Million Messages from Titanic, Olympic, Carpathia, Frankfurt, Mount Temple, and other Ships* Also him: *Searches Titanic's Account* Titanic's Account: Error 404 Account Not Found
@@N-L3 imagine dying in few minutes knowing the fact that PPL ARE DYING BECAUSE OF YOU . If only they couldn't have ignored the message of Californian they could've saved all of them . Idt Californian will be living with guilt and they don't deserve to live with it either as they have already did their work by WARNING THEN ABOUT ICEBERG
0:37 I wonder why they had him just say those things. I read that in reality Jack Phillips really yelled those things out in much angrier tone of voice.
I think it's right that they left this out. Let’s remember that we just came from some love scenes between Jack and Rose. Watching this scene and remembering that it will eventually crash and sink would have disconnected us from the nice moment. So, when they see the iceberg, it takes us by surprise as well and reminds us of the disaster to come. It’s sublime!
No it's not. As messed up as it was for Phillips to tell the Californian operator to "Keep out" and "Shut up", the crew should've awakened the operator the moment they saw the rockets going off.
Why? Because of the dismissal by Titanic's operators or because of the ice field they were in? Which would have made any rescue operation dangerous for their smaller ship and crew. I dont think these are sufficient enough to justify complete inaction. Remember that some of the crew saw the rockets launched by titanic. Unfortunately they were interpreted as company signals rather than distress signals and the captain (Stanley Lord) chose not to take action. That was the damning moment for Californian. Whether they would have reached the titanic on time is dubious (The captain wasnt aware of the rocket signals until 1:10am, so only had approx one hour to launch any rescue before titanic sank at 2:20), but still the fact that they did NOTHING (until it was too late) whilst Carpathia did everything they could to reach Titanic on time despite being too far away - doesnt look so good for Californian from a moral standpoint.
@@superadders19Carpathia was receiving wireless signals from Titanic whilst Californian was not. The rockets they observed were white, not the red that were supposed to be used to signal distress. Californian had no reason to believe Titanic was in any danger. Not to mention, her engines were at shutdown. By the time they were fired up and moving, they likely would have arrived around the same time as Carpathia. I truly cannot blame Californian in this situation.
I think this was a good scene. The final shot with all the icebergs, in particular. But i do think it would have been detrimental to take the action away from titanic for the sake of only one scene. The one continuous narrative aboard on titanic gave the story a better sense of isolation
Some of you might be thinking that the operator was a fool for ignoring the warning, but there is some important context to this scene Marconi wireless machines like this where still a new technology at the time and interestingly unlike modern ship communication systems it wasnt viewed as an essential piece of the ships infrastructure, rather the room was operated by a private company and its primary function was to send and relay messages for paying passengers aboard the ship Because the technology was so cutting edge many of the ships wealthier passengers found the concept of sending a message whilst at sea and it reaching their destination before them to be extremely novel so the Marconi room was swamped with private messages many of them totally trivial. We see that here with the message about a passenger wanting their private train waiting for them on arrival but the main thing that clogged the Marconi room was the requests for live stock market updates The idea that ships might use this technology to communciate with and warn each other was seen as something of an afterthought and as such the Titanics Marconi room operators just dismissed the warnings about the iceberg because bluntly it wasnt what they were being paid to deal with
This scene should of stayed in. As it is a massive part of titanic fate. Also at the end when you see all the ice. Shows us what they was heading into. If they had avoided the ice berg. They would still be in with half a chance of striking another one. Also it sounds stupid now. But back in them days. Some actually considered high speed in an ice fields as safe. Some did regard it as dangerous while few declared it the safest way. They only had theories which sound completely insane now. As horrible as it sounds I think titanic fate was to sink. That horrible night changed Maritime laws completely. Also made us think of things we never really thought about. The only way there would of been real change back then. Was a disaster so big it effected everyone. And titanic did effect everyone from Lower class to upper class.
I haven't looked up the exact reason why this scene was removed (apparently James Cameron wanted to create more of a sense of doom and gloom from no one being near in the middle of this pitch-black ocean). But when I rationalise everything, I kind of wonder why it was even shot at all. Yes, it's a competently re-enacted piece of history that's relevant to what led to the Titanic's fate, but the inactivity of the Californian is an entirely separate subject to the film's main focus, which was Jack and Rose's story taking place on board the doomed liner. And that alone made the film long enough. If they left this scene in, they'd also have to complete that arc by filming additional scenes of the lack of communication between the two ships. But again, it was a separate matter, and the film was already stretched far enough. It also allows the iceberg to have more of an impact when it's first seen the way it is, without a sight of ice prior.
Cameron has a history of deleting important scenes just because they slow things down slightly: Terminator 2: T800 chip removal scene, an important moment that shows Sarah Connor still doesn't trust it because of her PTSD and wants to kill the T-800. John starts taking over and leading as a result. One of the most dramatic scenes they filmed for it. Aliens: The whole Ripley's daughter missing her birthday subplot which explains why she instantly connected with Newt and treats her as an adopted child. Hopefully Titanic gets its own special extended edition one day. They tend to be the best version of his movies.
That was on Jack Phillips. He was also mean to the Carpathia when it was coming to their rescue and he was actually friends with the Carpathia and Californian’s wireless radio operators long before the Titanic disaster happened.
@@CameronWaterman-b1p But Jack did say rude things to the Carpathia before the Titanic lost power and to the other ships that came dashing to their rescue too.
@@DANIELLE_BREANNA_LACY sorry my bad. if anything this supports jack even better. titanic's final signal was at 2:17 am, just 3 minutes before the final plunge.
Even if the Californian had realised what was going on after the CQD and SOS was sent out they were stopped amongst a great ice field and it's moonless. How long would it have taken to be under way? Here I do not know a thing about the management of marine Scotch boilers back then Captain Rostron on 'Carpathia' took one hell of a risk.
Yeah, but he was sure was successful in navigating that ice field at a speed higher than the Carpathia was designed to go at and rescued all of the Titanic’s survivors without any iceberg damage at all.
They were warned about ice but refused to stop or slow down until mourning. They wanted to reach New York in such a timely manner that they dismissed safety and common sense.
I really thnk Cameron shld release another version of this movie along with deleted scenes so it gives a deeper sense into the events that happened..I knw it ll be long bt b worth seeing it ..
Bt the movie was all about titanic and to show its desperate isolation in that night Cameron decided to delete it ..otherwise it’ll take the attention away from the titanic ..
@@blount_man for the sake of the movie, it actually makes sense. Imagine seeing this first-it would have totally ruined the audience's anticipation of seeing the iceberg later on
As survivors say, it wasn't just one iceberg, in the morning they saw lots of icebergs around jus like in last scene... Even Carpathia almost hit one...
So it’s never occurred to me but they didn’t have shifts for checking messages…. Like if you had a disaster (or apparently when), and it wasn’t business hours… Wow
That's why going out onto ocean liners was such a big deal back then, it was expensive and most people worked in factories and farms. Going on a ship that big far far out into the ocean was a dream that people paid up to $130,000 to sail on the Titanic.
Probably more significant than the wireless operator going to bed - which was typical at night if there were no passenger telegrams - was the captain and other officers seeing the distress flares from Titanic and failing to respond. If you put the wireless operator scene in you need to bring in the Californian’s captain Stanley Lord, and suddenly half the people seeing the movie leave the cinema with axes to grind. They were perhaps 50 miles away and at visible range for the entire sinking.
They should've kept this crucial scene and so as the carpathia rescue which was even more crucial if shows what californian was really ok about whem titamic sunk
The scene needed to have been taken out, as it portrayed a false image of how wireless operators actually worked. Specificially, it ignored the use of Morse shorthand practised by the operators of the time. Moreover, it also ignored Evans' later statement that he did not regard the signal as particularly rude.
To be fair the California vessel did arrived on the scece only too late, it was a slower ship, also they shut down the engines during the night, so they didn't risk going through the ice.
Abet the titanic operator wished he never told the other guy to shut up, the guy would have probably been still awake and would have got the captain to save them, so I put part of the blame to the titanic operator.
@themightyangustma2753 Well, if I gave someone warnings and the reply was shut up or whatever the exact words were, I'd defo turn it off and slept, then if he survives back on land, give him some slaps. Tell him he is to be blamed for what had happened and live with the guilt because thousands had died because of him, the captain, the owners.
@frname7665 probably not, but he did the right thing. He was warning the titanic operator, and he was ass to him. If that was me, I'd do the same, but I hope he survived so I could give him some slaps, lol
@@samuelmcdade1984 If you'd do the same, then you are an asshole just as much as the rude guy. You don't punish an entire crew and all the passengers because one stupid wireless operator has been rude. And even more so: if you see the rude guy doesn't take your warning seriously, you should be even more wary of the fact that the ship might get into trouble.
@@themightyangustma2753 back then wireless operators weren't taken too seriously, Captains didn't rely on them much. I believe the Californian didn't have a wireless until very recently in 1912. The thing was about that night, it showed how archaic a lot of the rules and regulations at sea were. The Titanic crew didn't shoot the rockets in 1 minute intervals. The rockets weren't red flare rocket, which I believe certain shipping companies used different colors. The Marconi wireless operators weren't 24/7 manned. They also weren't employees of the ship, but of the Marconi Company. The Californian was doing everything by the book, as was Titanic. The Carpathia wireless operator was extremely close to shutting off his wireless to go to bed too, till he heard Titanic's SOS and CQD. He told the crew of Carpathia and they didn't believe was really in distress. Luckily, the Carpathia's wireless operator was very good friends with the Titanic's operator and recognized his distress calls. So he barged in Capt Rostron's cabin and woke him up to alert him of Titanic's situation. However, even if the Californian had woken up their operator to check on what was happening, the Californian wouldn't have made it on time. The Californian was too far and slower then the Carpathia.
@@nxyfff Stayed on the ship until it lost power that is. He was also pretty rude to the Carpathia when it was coming to their rescue. May he have been completely redeemed and apologized for his behavior in Heaven.
Even if Titanics wireless operator did take SS Californian ice warnings seriously so that SS Californians wireless operator wouldn't shut down his marcony wireles set for the night.. i think u all are forgetting something.. i see lots of people dont bring this up about SS Californian.. Ss Californian is a small ship, sure it was the closes ship to the titanic but from what i know about California, is that Californians max capacity is 218 people if im not mistaken. So how could u even fit 2224 people onto a small ship like SS Californian?
James Cameron's commentary; So this whole scene was taken out. It shows the Marconi room in operation. You can see messages coming in thru the Marconi tube, which the operators woudl open and then transmit. They are completely back-logged. This is historically accurate. This was stepping stones leading to the disaster that we felt was necessary but turns out it wasn't.
But here Jonathan Phillips the senior operator was in touch with the Californian who was near ice and stopped. But instead of heeding the warning, he sent back a message to shut up. The CA operator gave up for the night and so they never heard the Titanic even though it was closest to it. A lot of people feel this was a contributing-factor in the # of deaths.
So here these guys are stopped right in the ice-field the Titanic is about to run into and were unable to warn her. Meanwhile, Titanic is still going 22.5 knots.
EDIT June 2023: Re-transcribed word4word:
"So this whole scene was taken out. It shows the Marconi room in operation. You can see messages arriving thru a pneumatic tube, which the 2 Marconi operators would open and they would transmit them and they are completely backlogged, overwhelmed with work. This is historically accurate. It was one of these sort of stepping stones to the disaster that we felt was necessary but turned out to be unnecessary in the telling of the story. But in fact here, Jonathan Phillips, the senior Marconi operator was in touch with another ship nearby that had actually seen the ice and had stopped for the ice and instead heeding the warning, he sent back a message for them to shut up. At which point the operator on the ship, which is called the Californian decided to sign off for the night. As a result of that, the Californian, which was actually pretty close to the Titanic, didn't get the Titanic's SOS messages later because this guy had shut down his set, gone to bed. A lot of people feel this was a contributing factor in the number of deaths involved in the sinking of the Titanic. So here these guys are stopped, just a few miles away, starring directly at the ice-field that the Titanic is about to run into and were unable to warn her. Meanwhile Titanic is still going 22.5 knots straight ahead straight into the icefield"
Californian wouldn't have done shit. When they finally got the message after Evans was re-awakened, it was 6 P.M. It still took forever for Lord to do something and they went through the ice really slowly. They arrived on the scene on 8:30 P.M..... far too late.
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@@matmcd Right. sorry
Actually no, Titanic was going at 22.3 knots not 22.5, I heard smith was considering slowing her to 18 knots but decided not to for fear of arriving later.
@@N-L3 I'm pretty sure the tolerance for speed measurement back then was larger than 0.2 knots LOL they had no speedometer just prop RPMs I imagine.
What i wrote is verbatim what James Cameron said on DVD but I do make mistakes.
Edit they did have a 'Patent log' also that measured distance like an odometer sorta.
That last shot of the Titanic steaming through the Atlantic whih her lights on and the blackness of the sea and night sky is so haunting
That specific seen there is beautiful yet terrifying
Eu acho lindo essa cena, e a música fica ainda melhor.
Nature dwarfs everything man-made. The biggest ocean liner is a tiny flickering speck in the vastness of ocean and space
The last scene with the Titanic just gently crossing the Atlantic sends the chills
1:29 is just so chilling. This truly represents how alone they are out in the dark waters far from any land
1:29 there’s just something beautiful and yet terrifying about that scene.
It makes you wonder who the real villain was. 🤔
Not realistic though, from that height you’d definitely be able to see all the nearby ships.
Like an old anecdote :
Titanic passenger in panic mode : There are no lifeboats left! They are all gone half-empty ! Captain, how far is closest land ?
Captain : Pretty close. Approximately ...well... 2 miles away
Passenger : Thank God ! But what if we miss it in this darkness ?
Captain : Laws of physics say: we cant possibly miss it . We definetely will reach the land very soon. My guess would be - 5 minutes tops. God bless gravitation and good luck !
the ship mount temple was close to the titanic watching the sinking
This scene is so important to the story and they deleted it …
It's important to the Titanic's story, yes. But it's a completely separate subject to the main story, which is that between Jack and Rose, not that of the ship itself. And if this scene with the Carpathian was included, both it and its crew would have to have much more screen time to contribute to the story and not stick out like a sore thumb, and the film was already three hours long. James Cameron apparently also wanted to give even more of a sense of little to no one being around to help, which is why only the Carpathian is mentioned and seen briefly since it rescued the survivors, but no mention of the Californian, the Olympic or any other ships the Titanic was reaching out to that night. I also think having icebergs initially appear as they did here would've made it less tense when the one that fatally struck the Titanic appeared.
They wanted the 1912 to be 2 hours and 40 minutes exactly (the time it took Titanic to sink)
Not when I watched it
@@ryanodonovan9497Hahahha omg stfu idiot - go back to your job at Arby’s
This is a romantic movie not a documentary...
little detail: Califrnian operator didn't mark his message as urgent, so Titanic operator thought it was just a little chat like they did in those times ("hello, friend" or something like this)
Proof California people are rude
didn't mark it as a message to be relayed to those in command.
From what I see, Californian operator didnt iven pissed off it
I think they were supposed to prefix messages to the captain with M S G or something like that. He didn’t prefix it with that.
They really should’ve kept this. It’s a crucial moment in the historical event and completely accurate.
It's a good scene but I can see why Cameron left it out. He was shooting a love story/disaster movie, not a documentary. He wanted to keep the drama tightly focused on Titanic and the people on it. Everything else would have been a distraction.
@@commanderjameson2708I wished they would kept the romance out, dont get me wrong, its not of a big problem for me, but it’s just so cheesy. If they did more history accurate scenes in the movie, it would be more enjoyable.
@@Legxendcruxh100 haha, then the movie wouldn't have been the huge hit it was. I personally knew a girl who went to see it 4 times, and I'm sure that wasn't unusual.
@@Legxendcruxh100 You should watch "A night to remember" then. It is much more focused on the historical events, as known at the time. I still think Cameron had a stroke of genius when he put Romeo and Juliet on the Titanic. People like me will fall in love with the ship, bust most people will identify or adore one of the protagonists. The tragedy stems from the human element and the hopes and dreams of so many people being abruptly, horrifically and pointlessly ended. There is no film about Titanic, which conveys this better and the movies' message is for the Titanic nerds, to let that tragedy enter their hearts. I guess Cameron himself was conflicted a bit about diving down there. It's exciting to think about the horrors and get everything back to the surface, but it is also a grave to be respected. The film explores this conflict and I mind the romance about as much, as I mind the romance in Braveheart. It's a quick way to make an audience root for a character. Who hates true young love, right?
It's accuracy is debated, "shut up" was a very commonly used phrase in this field and assuming they closed comms as a result of that sentence is simply one historical interpretation of what happened
1:20 the foreshadowing is crazy…
They’re really close to the Titanic & all you see is them in an ice field… there’s a reason they shut down for the night & warned all ships nearby
I honestly felt they should have left this in… it showed really what sealed the Titanic’s fate…
It slander operators
@@welovewarhisrory743how? It actually happened.
@@real_Tyles it did. however more than likely evans didn't shut down because of what john said. codes at the time were far more aggresive, things like GTH (go to hell) this is proven by something harold bride did at the senate inquiry. senator smith asked harold bride if he had bad mouthed bruce ismay (which he did) but said that if he did, he couldn't help it. obviously marconi operators at the time were used to insultng eachother. plus john was supposed to be sleeping but he worked overtime to clear a backlog of passengers' personal messages. if it weren't for him doing this, harold likely would not have been able to send distress signals. plus the californian operator didn't append the call sign of an important message, meaning that john thought he was just sending through useless banter. i mean imagine that you are working overtime for a bunch of snobby rich people and randomly hear BEEP BEEP BEEP BEEEEEP BEEP BEP BOP BOOP BEEP
This scene gives me the chills when you think about what is about to happen; Titanic is approaching her fatal collision, there are not enough boats to save everyone and most aboard will die in the freezing sea….. and the nearest ship has no idea what is going on and is radio silent…..
They could have had 100 lifeboats it wouldn’t have made any difference they ran out of time
@@Borninthe80s. true but more people would’ve lived….
And the nearest ship to respond would arrive 4 hours after responding.
@@Borninthe80s.If they had more lifeboats, they couldve immediately begsn filling them. The confusion arose because they knew they didnt. So they had to lower lifeboats wondering how they could do it without startling everyone that it wasnt enough for everyone
Yeah.
The language used by Philips (Titanic's marconi operator) was actually equivalent to how people have online Banther today. All of the operators from all of the ships were trained in the same place so they might have known each other so it wasn't considered rude. Philips actually might have saved those few passengers that survived since a day before the sinking, the ship's marconi set was broken and he pulled an all nighter to fix it which was not recommended by company procedure
Also the Californian didn't use the proper code at the start of the message to inform Titanic it was an important message for her Captain. Philips just heard what he thought was loud BS banter in his ear and became ticked off because he had a job to do. If the Californian had started the message properly, or repeated it to Titanic until they acknowledged this may have saved her.
What's a macaroni operator
@@masterhaterbater5927 People who operate the machine they're using in the clip to contact other ships
Yes, but recently I heard that there would have been a backup device (probably weaker, but nevertheless) they could have used rather than instantly repairing the primary device, and that Marconi procedure actually demanded to use this secondary device. In this case, the operators would maybe not have been so tired in the night of the sinking.
Man, gorgeous scene. At least at the end where cpt. Lord looks at the ice field, with that eerie music and then showing Titanic from up above.
That is third officer Groves. But yes indeed, beautiful scene. Too bad it was removed.
@@memez2551 Wow, I mixed them up badly. I wanted to write cpt. Lord, not Rostron, but it wouldn't have been correct anyway 😅😊
@@legioner9 oh right, yes. I didn’t even notice.
Wasn’t Rostron the captain of the Carpathian? Is the title of this scene a typo?
@@thestumpinator5774 Sir Arthur Henry Rostron was the captain of the Carpathia and Stanley Phillip Lord was the captain of the Californian. This scene takes place on the Californian.
1:20
This part hits really hard because of the soft tune along with showing the Titanic sailing smoothly and uninterrupted through the quiet calm night with a sky full of hundreds of stars just shows a lot about how not only horrifying that night was, but also beautiful.
It’s one thing to be over worked and tired but when someone warns you “hey there is a lot of ice bergs/a large ice field ahead BEWARE” it is your responsibility to relay that.
I have been tired as hell but when you get something important over the radio you deal with it not ignore it or say “shut up”.
This scene never should have been deleted, it was a vital piece of the story.
The Californian operator made a mistake, he didn't mark his message with the MSG prefix that signalizes the message was important and the Titanic operator was so occupied with the passenger DMs that he didn't pay attention to the message
This is where Californian turn off its notifications.
Yup, and didn’t start them back up until around sunrise.
“Do not disturb”
"Why are there a bunch of ships around us now?"
No it slander Jack Philip.Californian operators listen news before get sleep
The Californian actually kept listening longer. It’s estimated they shut down about 20-30 minutes before Titanic struck the iceberg.
That being said, Californian only had one operator and given they had stopped for the night, it wasn’t seen as an oversight that they shut off the radio. What WAS an oversight was the Californian captain not waking up Evans to radio and see if the lights the crew was seeing were from a ship.
Worst case scenario: Evans would have been woken up for no good reason; best case scenario, Californian kicked into action and saved countless lives.
I’m absolutely obsessed with that shot of the ice field towards the end.
I do understand why it was removed so as to contain the narrative to the Titanic. From the ship’s point of view the iceberg seemingly appeared out of nowhere after being bathed in darkness. By showing us the ice field plainly beforehand it preempts the impact (literal and figurative) because we the audience know well the threat and are way ahead of the ship, crew, and passengers. By editing the film the way it is the iceberg looms upon us just as spontaneously as it does the Titanic.
Still seeing all those gleaming, jagged, natural structures of death sitting, seemingly innocuously, around the Californian and then the transition to the fated ship progressing steadily and inevitably towards them, accompanied by that haunting score, absolutely chills my soul.
And the Carpathia had to navigate those dangerous iceberg fields to dash to Titanic’s rescue too. It was just so fortunate that the Carpathia’s crew was much more careful than the Titanic was. Captain Rostron had vastly increased the lookouts with some using binoculars and some not and ensured that they would be ready to instantly start turning whenever an iceberg was spotted. Many people say now that a movie about the Carpathia’s role dashing to the Titanic’s rescue should be made.
Californian crew sees fireworks from Titanic…
“Oh now they are just rubbing the fun in our noses…off to bed we go!!!”
Californian finally starts their radio room back up around sunrise…
Frankfurt: Titanic really did sink!
Californian: Oh, well, we’ll head for that location now.
"Fireworks" 💀💀
They never thought the rockets were fireworks. They thought they were company signals
To understand Phillips’ reaction: Phillips and Bride were both up all night fixing the Marconi wireless device themselves which was against protocol so they could get the back log of passenger messages out.. Phillips had the headset turned up to max volume so he could hear cape race. He also was up for 24 hours at this point and was very cranky and tired, so when he gets the unexpected loud ringing in his ears he snapped.
I swear that ship was destined to sink
@@Lord_Thistlewick_Flanders none challenges god saying its "unsinkable" its all gods plan.
That and they’d already heard this ice warning many times. He wasn’t telling them anything they didn’t already know.
@@yamato6114 I think he was. I think the message wasn't just an ice warning but an actual route to guide Titanic through the ice field.
@@frname7665
As per what I remember. The message from Californian was:
Say Old Man, we are stopped and surrounded by ice.
Which I take to mean that the Californian crew thought it was too dangerous to proceed with their voyage any further (especially at night), and they reckoned that the Titanic crew should consider doing the same.
Last time Titanic streaming through the dark ocean with it's light own. It gives a mysterious strange vibe.
Sadly one of Titanic's operators died that night and the other only survived because he found an overturned life boat.
He actually got washed off the ship with lifeboat and found himself underneath it when the first funnel fell off and made a big wave that sent that overturned lifeboat away from the ship.
@@DANIELLE_BREANNA_LACY
Are you talking about the movie? Where Jacks friend was hit by the funnel? Nobody know how the other operator died you know
@@mitsuki7212 No, I’m talking about how Harold Bride got washed off of the ship along with Collapsible B and was sent further away from the ship by a wave caused by one of the falling funnels.
@@DANIELLE_BREANNA_LACY that was Bride. Jack Phillips was the wireless operator that was lost. Bride made it on to the same upturned boat that Lightoller, Gracie and numerous others did.
Not found he jumped on it after launching and then got sucked under the dinghy
Tbh getting told to shut up while warning people of dangers is frustrating as hell. No wonder he turned off the communication. Just imagine telling people to stop taking drugs and they tell you to shut up. At one point anyone would just ignore them.
The operator was also up all day, 7:30 am to 11 when he logged off and shut everything down. The crew just didn't have the heart to wake him up.
As someone said, it was like online banter we have today. The crew aboard should have taken more notice the rockets going off. I don’t know how you can be in the middle of the Atlantic at 2 o clock in the morning, and not give a shit about rockets going off. I guess we will never know.
@@themightyangustma2753Because it also wasn’t proper protocol. An urgent distress signal was one rocket every minute and they waited longer between each. It’s more of an astounding blunder that the officers weren’t firing them off frantically in this situation. Like hello, you’re about to have an ocean sized icebox full of corpses soon, maybe now’s a good time for a fireworks show
What's even more frustrating is that Titanic got ice warnings all day long and dismissed them. In the film you even see Captain Smith receiving a warning and telling Rose not to worry and that it's quite normal that time of year (April)
If you'd be working as a Morse code operator trying to talk to a ship that's very far away and you suddenly get another line (which is extremely loud), you'd be pissed off too.
why would they delete such a perfect scene
Most probably from it’s length and that a simple viewer would blame just the wireless officers for the sinking.
@@memez2551 James Cameron said in the audio commentary on dvd and blu ray why he deleted it
@@Gencturk92 and why did he deleted them?
@@memez2551 well there's like 31 deleted scenes, which one do you want to know ? I cant remember why this scene was deleted but it was either due to pacing or because jack and rose fictional story
@@memez2551 I heard it was deleted because it’s too close to the sinking scene so it ruins the pacing by warning the audience very close to the actual sinking. I may be wrong though but that’s what I heard.
Almost every Titanic documentary mentions this. Big mistake to cut it.
They are just focusing on the story of Rose and Jack.
It's a shame this wasn't left in, it's helped spread alot of misinformation as people seem to believe the Titanic was all alone that night when really it wasn't
This is the one scene they shouldn't have deleted
“Arrogant bastard, I’m trying to warn about the icing they tell me to shut up” i can’t lie, i actually laugh at his reaction.
I want a version with ALL the deleted scenes added in. Can you imagine how much context we'd have if all the scenes had been added?
It's too late to adding
@@Ayush-zf3ls Terminator 2 and Aliens, the extended editions are the absolute best versions of each film.
@@colliric ryt bro
@@Ayush-zf3ls Maybe for Cameron and co. but not for people who cut videos.
My grandad was on the californian he was 17 at the time and was called a "fireman", basically a stoker. He told my mum the captain was drunk that night and ignored the messages and they stopped the ship for the night due to the massive icebergs
Edward Smith or Stanley Lord? (Titanic and Californian respectively)
@@uncle_randoI’m assuming they reffered to Stanley Lord
How would he have known, given that Captain Lord was a world away on the bridge to a fireman handling the boiler rooms?
@@cronavirus_ragnareich Word spreads fast within a crew of any kind. Similar to a high school with rumors.... people talk. After seeing a reenactment of the inquiry of the Californian after the accident, it would make complete sense. The transcripts show the captain being very vague with his answers and didn't take responsibility for their mistakes that night. Very sad to think that could have been a possibility.
@@CB-bk9xj would be like a case of Chinese whispers then..
They should’ve included this. What a wasted scene and talent from these actors.
Yes If i remember correctly they only had one appearance in the film? I wouldve loved to see more of them 🥲 at least we have those deleted scenes uploaded
Thanks a lot Phillips!
Yep foolish boy but at least John stayed onto the ship till the very end even when the engine room was flooded and the power was shutting down but he still wanted to keep sending the warnings to get all the ships to come here as fast as they can but still your right eternalhalloween1 100% it was all his fault if he had listen to the Californian operator ice warnings and report to Captain Smith that would have perverted the sinking from happening even much quicker but at least Captain Stanley Lord did the right thing at stopping at night during the ice field because if we were ship Captains we must always stop at night when we’re at ice field areas so we don’t make the ships sink in them at all during night right guys but at least the Californian did try there best to help save but no the titanic just wanted to do Cape race and private message sending and that’s all that what it was to do about indeed but it’s happened and the past is the past but at least this is a very good lesson to show no ship is unsinkable at all 100% right guys.
I like that it atleast shows the crew weren't evil or ignorant
Sad that Cameron didn’t include more of the Californian in his movie. The ship was 10-19 miles away (10 as Titanics crew and Survivors claim, or 19 as The Californians Crew claimed). Captain Smith directed the life boats to sale towards the Californian, hoping the passengers would get onboard and The Californians crew would sale the boats back to recover more passengers. The Californians crew saw the Titanics flares, saw the distress lights, saw the ship leaning to one side. And ignored or misunderstood them all. The Carpathia sailed through the night, through the iceberg field, and beat The Californian, in order to save the life boat passengers from nearly 50 miles away.
In fact, the US and UK governments both dragged The Californians Captain and his crew into court, (where Titanics surviving crew and some passengers testified against The Californias crew.) Both nations courts concluded that hundreds more lives would have been saved, if The SS Californian had acted.
19 miles, it was proved when they located the wreck site.
As important as this scene is to history, it wasn't important to the love story. James Cameron was making a love/disaster story. I can see why he made this scene and why he cut it out.
The Californian was to the north of Titanic. Carpathia was to southeast.
They Carpathia never passed anywhere near the Californian.
They saw them shoot up company flares, not distress flares. They had warned them about the ice before and the Titanic told them to fuck off, I wouldn’t have helped them either
U should find it infuriating if this was a movie abt the titanic sinking and not a movie abt 2 ppl falling in love on the ship that’s gonna sink, that scene literally has nothing to do w jack n rose (the ppl that movie is abt)
SS Californian: We have seen many icebergs on the way, be careful.
RMS Titanic: Shut up, I'm too busy right now!
SS Californian: Arrogant bastards! *Turns off his Marconi equipment*
RMS Titanic: *Collides with an iceberg and sinks to the bottom of the sea*
SS Californian: Hey, what happened to the Titanic? She sent me many distress signals.
RMS Carphatian: She sank, and now I have in my custody the few passengers and crew who managed to save themselves. Also, seeing that you are already here, go sweep the accident area to recover the frozen bodies that were left afloat.
SS Californian: Holy Shit...
"RMS Carpathia"
More Like:
Californian Wireless Operator: *sleeps*
Later
Californian Wireless Operator waking up and checking what messages he missed: *You have unread 1 Million Messages from Titanic, Olympic, Carpathia, Frankfurt, Mount Temple, and other Ships*
Also him: *Searches Titanic's Account*
Titanic's Account: Error 404 Account Not Found
😂😂
Imagine living with that guilt knowing that if you hadn't gone to bed you might have been able to save people from the sinking ship.
@@N-L3 imagine dying in few minutes knowing the fact that PPL ARE DYING BECAUSE OF YOU . If only they couldn't have ignored the message of Californian they could've saved all of them . Idt Californian will be living with guilt and they don't deserve to live with it either as they have already did their work by WARNING THEN ABOUT ICEBERG
Only if the wireless operators listened to their instructions they cld have avoided the iceberg .
0:37 I wonder why they had him just say those things. I read that in reality Jack Phillips really yelled those things out in much angrier tone of voice.
I think it's right that they left this out. Let’s remember that we just came from some love scenes between Jack and Rose. Watching this scene and remembering that it will eventually crash and sink would have disconnected us from the nice moment. So, when they see the iceberg, it takes us by surprise as well and reminds us of the disaster to come. It’s sublime!
If the plot wasn’t so focused on Jack and Rose, this scene would’ve probably been kept.
That car scene could be replaced by any of the historically important deleted scenes.
The 1958 movie A Night To Remember features Jack Phillips and Harold Bride with much larger roles.
This scene first premiered in James Cameron's Titanic Explorer. James went back, and used this as part of the documentary that plays in the program.
This one minute thirty seconds scene is more than enough to defend the case of SS Californian as to why they didn't respond.
No it's not. As messed up as it was for Phillips to tell the Californian operator to "Keep out" and "Shut up", the crew should've awakened the operator the moment they saw the rockets going off.
no
No lmao. You don't blame an entire crew and all the passengers because one stupid crew member was a prick.
Why? Because of the dismissal by Titanic's operators or because of the ice field they were in? Which would have made any rescue operation dangerous for their smaller ship and crew. I dont think these are sufficient enough to justify complete inaction. Remember that some of the crew saw the rockets launched by titanic. Unfortunately they were interpreted as company signals rather than distress signals and the captain (Stanley Lord) chose not to take action. That was the damning moment for Californian. Whether they would have reached the titanic on time is dubious (The captain wasnt aware of the rocket signals until 1:10am, so only had approx one hour to launch any rescue before titanic sank at 2:20), but still the fact that they did NOTHING (until it was too late) whilst Carpathia did everything they could to reach Titanic on time despite being too far away - doesnt look so good for Californian from a moral standpoint.
@@superadders19Carpathia was receiving wireless signals from Titanic whilst Californian was not.
The rockets they observed were white, not the red that were supposed to be used to signal distress.
Californian had no reason to believe Titanic was in any danger.
Not to mention, her engines were at shutdown. By the time they were fired up and moving, they likely would have arrived around the same time as Carpathia.
I truly cannot blame Californian in this situation.
God I love this scene, I wish it wasn't deleted bro
I think this was a good scene. The final shot with all the icebergs, in particular. But i do think it would have been detrimental to take the action away from titanic for the sake of only one scene. The one continuous narrative aboard on titanic gave the story a better sense of isolation
Some of you might be thinking that the operator was a fool for ignoring the warning, but there is some important context to this scene
Marconi wireless machines like this where still a new technology at the time and interestingly unlike modern ship communication systems it wasnt viewed as an essential piece of the ships infrastructure, rather the room was operated by a private company and its primary function was to send and relay messages for paying passengers aboard the ship
Because the technology was so cutting edge many of the ships wealthier passengers found the concept of sending a message whilst at sea and it reaching their destination before them to be extremely novel so the Marconi room was swamped with private messages many of them totally trivial. We see that here with the message about a passenger wanting their private train waiting for them on arrival but the main thing that clogged the Marconi room was the requests for live stock market updates
The idea that ships might use this technology to communciate with and warn each other was seen as something of an afterthought and as such the Titanics Marconi room operators just dismissed the warnings about the iceberg because bluntly it wasnt what they were being paid to deal with
1,500+ fates were sealed all because a radio guy told another ship to f*ck off.
ironically, the radio guy (Jack Philips) was good friends with the Californian's radio operator Cyril Evans
And just under 2,200 fates would have been sealed if he didn’t bother to stay up the previous night and fix the Marconi machine.
They should have kept this scene in the final cut
Out of all the deleted scene this one should have been kept in
This scene should of stayed in. As it is a massive part of titanic fate. Also at the end when you see all the ice. Shows us what they was heading into. If they had avoided the ice berg. They would still be in with half a chance of striking another one.
Also it sounds stupid now. But back in them days. Some actually considered high speed in an ice fields as safe. Some did regard it as dangerous while few declared it the safest way. They only had theories which sound completely insane now. As horrible as it sounds I think titanic fate was to sink. That horrible night changed Maritime laws completely. Also made us think of things we never really thought about. The only way there would of been real change back then. Was a disaster so big it effected everyone. And titanic did effect everyone from Lower class to upper class.
I haven't looked up the exact reason why this scene was removed (apparently James Cameron wanted to create more of a sense of doom and gloom from no one being near in the middle of this pitch-black ocean). But when I rationalise everything, I kind of wonder why it was even shot at all. Yes, it's a competently re-enacted piece of history that's relevant to what led to the Titanic's fate, but the inactivity of the Californian is an entirely separate subject to the film's main focus, which was Jack and Rose's story taking place on board the doomed liner. And that alone made the film long enough. If they left this scene in, they'd also have to complete that arc by filming additional scenes of the lack of communication between the two ships. But again, it was a separate matter, and the film was already stretched far enough. It also allows the iceberg to have more of an impact when it's first seen the way it is, without a sight of ice prior.
should have
This is what sealed Titanic's fate.
I was just warning them of icebergs
Came after hearing the news of Lew Palter’s passing. So sad so true.
Thank you for informing me! RIP Lew Palter.
Cameron has a history of deleting important scenes just because they slow things down slightly:
Terminator 2: T800 chip removal scene, an important moment that shows Sarah Connor still doesn't trust it because of her PTSD and wants to kill the T-800. John starts taking over and leading as a result. One of the most dramatic scenes they filmed for it.
Aliens: The whole Ripley's daughter missing her birthday subplot which explains why she instantly connected with Newt and treats her as an adopted child.
Hopefully Titanic gets its own special extended edition one day. They tend to be the best version of his movies.
Should've kept this and made something about Carpathia's receipt of the distress call and captain Rostron's quick reaction.
I wish this scene remained in the final version.
The Titanic is mean to the californian
That was on Jack Phillips. He was also mean to the Carpathia when it was coming to their rescue and he was actually friends with the Carpathia and Californian’s wireless radio operators long before the Titanic disaster happened.
he was messaging in all cap XD
@@DANIELLE_BREANNA_LACY jack was dead and gone by the time the carpathia was enroute. it was harold who sent the bulk of the distress messages.
@@CameronWaterman-b1p But Jack did say rude things to the Carpathia before the Titanic lost power and to the other ships that came dashing to their rescue too.
@@DANIELLE_BREANNA_LACY sorry my bad. if anything this supports jack even better. titanic's final signal was at 2:17 am, just 3 minutes before the final plunge.
This is how I ignore my well-wishers 😞
Even if the Californian had realised what was going on after the CQD and SOS was sent out they were stopped amongst a great ice field and it's moonless.
How long would it have taken to be under way? Here I do not know a thing about the management of marine Scotch boilers back then
Captain Rostron on 'Carpathia' took one hell of a risk.
Yeah, but he was sure was successful in navigating that ice field at a speed higher than the Carpathia was designed to go at and rescued all of the Titanic’s survivors without any iceberg damage at all.
@@DANIELLE_BREANNA_LACYthey’d have had to go at a snails pace so they didn’t hit an iceberg
It's ironic how treating wireless telegraph as a novelty is similar to treating the titanic ship wreck as a novelty too!
It's so sad that the Titanic didn't get any help! I love this scene very much, the actors perform very good in the mood
What do you mean they were warned multiple times about the 🧊, but their ignorance got the best of them..
Carphatia: damn
They were warned about ice but refused to stop or slow down until mourning. They wanted to reach New York in such a timely manner that they dismissed safety and common sense.
@@randomtraveler9854nope they didn’t they weren’t even full speed and smith did change course to avoid the ice
Why did they delete this?! THIS IS VERY IMPORTANT!
we were already shown they had iiceberg warnings this is unnecessary.
I really thnk Cameron shld release another version of this movie along with deleted scenes so it gives a deeper sense into the events that happened..I knw it ll be long bt b worth seeing it ..
Terminator 2, Abyss and Aliens certainly benefited from having most of their deleted scenes restored.
Loved the Extended Editions the most.
Why did they delete this it was like the best scene in the movie in my opinion the Californian looking at the ice that was MASTERPIECE
The ss California was witness to make sure the insurance fraud was completed
0:28 _"You arrogant ass, you've killed us."_
Wish they would've actually kept it, adds just a bit more perspective to the Titanic and the forgotten Californian.
Titanic should have been a tv show...
Or a two part series
Stupid decision to delete this scene. It would've made more sense and what led to the Titanics fate after that warning
it makes sense as is. this scene is unnecessary we were already shown the iceberg warnings.
@@DevDog98 This would've been a major one though
Bt the movie was all about titanic and to show its desperate isolation in that night Cameron decided to delete it ..otherwise it’ll take the attention away from the titanic ..
@@blount_man for the sake of the movie, it actually makes sense. Imagine seeing this first-it would have totally ruined the audience's anticipation of seeing the iceberg later on
As survivors say, it wasn't just one iceberg, in the morning they saw lots of icebergs around jus like in last scene... Even Carpathia almost hit one...
So it’s never occurred to me but they didn’t have shifts for checking messages….
Like if you had a disaster (or apparently when), and it wasn’t business hours…
Wow
I think the titanic 1997 removed so many important scenes
1:25 while it is worlds largest ship, the ocean is even larger
That's why going out onto ocean liners was such a big deal back then, it was expensive and most people worked in factories and farms. Going on a ship that big far far out into the ocean was a dream that people paid up to $130,000 to sail on the Titanic.
Probably more significant than the wireless operator going to bed - which was typical at night if there were no passenger telegrams - was the captain and other officers seeing the distress flares from Titanic and failing to respond.
If you put the wireless operator scene in you need to bring in the Californian’s captain Stanley Lord, and suddenly half the people seeing the movie leave the cinema with axes to grind. They were perhaps 50 miles away and at visible range for the entire sinking.
That was tragic but also so quacking funny
i still feel bad for the people..this guys should listen.
I wish this scene remained.
Titanic 1997 has lot's of good deleted scenes
They should've kept this crucial scene and so as the carpathia rescue which was even more crucial if shows what californian was really ok about whem titamic sunk
That interior of the Marconi room is not from titanic, it’s from Olympic
Many of those interior designs were created based on photos of the Olympic’s interior since not many photos of the Titanic’s interior exist.
Titanic movie : remove all the scenes related to the actual ship and events preceding the sinking
:keep a useless scenes about a romance
its almost like its not a documentary but a movie using the titanic sinking as structure to build off of. welcome to movie making
The scene needed to have been taken out, as it portrayed a false image of how wireless operators actually worked. Specificially, it ignored the use of Morse shorthand practised by the operators of the time.
Moreover, it also ignored Evans' later statement that he did not regard the signal as particularly rude.
They also cut the part of the RMS Olympic in the film, as Titanic's sister was just 500 miles away from Titanic.
To be fair the California vessel did arrived on the scece only too late, it was a slower ship, also they shut down the engines during the night, so they didn't risk going through the ice.
Titanic: we're sinking, need urgent assistance
SS Californian: sorry you forgot to mention which part of that is our problem?
SS Californian: "I missed the part where that's my problem."
SS Frankfurt: Titanic really did sink!
SS Californian: Oh, well, we’ll check out the location now.
The music is something !
What’s the name of the music
Titanic fate sealed by ss Californian radio operator when he turned off his radio
Abet the titanic operator wished he never told the other guy to shut up, the guy would have probably been still awake and would have got the captain to save them, so I put part of the blame to the titanic operator.
And no one on the Californian gave a shit about the rockets? Yeah, Phillips did nothing wrong in my opinion. Just typical Banter.
Tbh I doubt the wireless operator on the Californian went to bed just because of that.
@themightyangustma2753 Well, if I gave someone warnings and the reply was shut up or whatever the exact words were, I'd defo turn it off and slept, then if he survives back on land, give him some slaps. Tell him he is to be blamed for what had happened and live with the guilt because thousands had died because of him, the captain, the owners.
@frname7665 probably not, but he did the right thing. He was warning the titanic operator, and he was ass to him. If that was me, I'd do the same, but I hope he survived so I could give him some slaps, lol
@@samuelmcdade1984 If you'd do the same, then you are an asshole just as much as the rude guy. You don't punish an entire crew and all the passengers because one stupid wireless operator has been rude. And even more so: if you see the rude guy doesn't take your warning seriously, you should be even more wary of the fact that the ship might get into trouble.
I always have fear of crashing into dark water from an airplane.
Biggest and last mistake of Phillips’ life.
we know then… hence why he decided to redeem himself by stay on the ship:/
Not a mistake at all. Just typical banter for the time. Someone should have woken the Californians Wireless operator up when they noticed rockets.
@@themightyangustma2753 back then wireless operators weren't taken too seriously, Captains didn't rely on them much. I believe the Californian didn't have a wireless until very recently in 1912. The thing was about that night, it showed how archaic a lot of the rules and regulations at sea were.
The Titanic crew didn't shoot the rockets in 1 minute intervals. The rockets weren't red flare rocket, which I believe certain shipping companies used different colors. The Marconi wireless operators weren't 24/7 manned. They also weren't employees of the ship, but of the Marconi Company. The Californian was doing everything by the book, as was Titanic. The Carpathia wireless operator was extremely close to shutting off his wireless to go to bed too, till he heard Titanic's SOS and CQD. He told the crew of Carpathia and they didn't believe was really in distress. Luckily, the Carpathia's wireless operator was very good friends with the Titanic's operator and recognized his distress calls. So he barged in Capt Rostron's cabin and woke him up to alert him of Titanic's situation.
However, even if the Californian had woken up their operator to check on what was happening, the Californian wouldn't have made it on time. The Californian was too far and slower then the Carpathia.
@@nxyfff Stayed on the ship until it lost power that is. He was also pretty rude to the Carpathia when it was coming to their rescue. May he have been completely redeemed and apologized for his behavior in Heaven.
@@themightyangustma2753dumb
Ss Californian took it personally...
Should of not delete this scene ! Not many people know about this ship which was close to titanic
This scene is so important to the story and also a copy of a “ Nigth to Remember”
Californian was at fault anyway, as he didn’t label the message as urgent or needing to be sent to command.
This Scene Is Great, I Know A lot Of Stuff Was Cut out Of James Cameron’s Film. But This Is Got To The Best Deleted Scene
He said he’s an idiot but he’s gonna regret saying that…
Its goofy. That is why its probably deleted. The movie had some subtle humor which was kept in the film, but this one right here is just lame
Titanic would’ve survived if they stopped for the night like they did. Safety is top priority and captain smith failed
Literally the beef in school
This scene is more important than that stupid love story. How they dare removed it?
The tragic destiny of Titanic was sealed.
GBU Phillips & Bride
Even if Titanics wireless operator did take SS Californian ice warnings seriously so that SS Californians wireless operator wouldn't shut down his marcony wireles set for the night.. i think u all are forgetting something.. i see lots of people dont bring this up about SS Californian.. Ss Californian is a small ship, sure it was the closes ship to the titanic but from what i know about California, is that Californians max capacity is 218 people if im not mistaken. So how could u even fit 2224 people onto a small ship like SS Californian?
Well, it could’ve at least shared its lifeboats and held a few hundreds of people on board for a few hours until other ships arrived.
It's because you're being so rude to him when he warned you of the danger up ahead