Was Brushy Bill actually Billy the Kid? Part 2
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- Part 2 of the Billy the Kid story. Was Brushy Bill really Billy the Kid. If so, Billy lived to a ripe old age and did not die in 1881.
Here is a continuation of this Brushy Bill story, a part 2.2
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Part 3 more details don't add up
• Did Pat Garrett really...
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Here's a part 2 of this video with a lot more details and arguments put forth. Watch it after this video and see what your thoughts are.
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My husband blood line is off of the Robber's Roost.
just tossing this out there...BTD was known to speak fluent spanish.... if he grew up in texas he would have learned this very young. However if he arrived from back east at an older age...liklehood of fluent spanish could be somewhat ... unlikely? just a thought.
@@kirklethbridge4477well...i heard Billy grew up in a part of town were he could play around with the mexican people and there children...i think i remember that he worked with a guy that he could pick up spanish from...
Ernst
All you have to do, is look at the photo of Billy, and compare his ears to Brushy Bill's. NO MATCH. The kid had prominent earlobes and Brushy did not. Unless he had plastic surgery to remove his lobes, Brushy Bill was just a sad old man, grasping for fame. He was NOT Billy the Kid.
Here’s the photo recognition study at UT…ruclips.net/video/Y8KpyQTdBfk/видео.html
Billy would love how his legend has endured the test of time. Ride Billy!!!
Watch your bloody language mate
I'm a Billy the Kid fan and I believe he lived out his last days as Brushy Bill, sometimes the truth is harder to believe than the lies. Thanks for this in-depth look at Billy's final days.👍
You're not bothered by forensic photos showing they aren't the same person?
As I have read Billy's father and Pat Garrett were both members of the Knights of the Golden circle and it would have been against the rules of the organization for Pat to kill him and if you believe others resurch Jesse James was the leader of the organization and his death was also faked.
A blind man can see they are not the same person 😅
@@danjames5552 Correct. Roberts has very wide jaw and round face. McCarty/Atrum....whatever Billy's name actually is has a long narrow face.
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The fact alone that he was just looking for a pardon near his end speaks volume. And all the knowledge he stated was just incredible. You can not have doubt.
One could argue he either knew the Kid or was just a big fan of the legend and wanted to see justice done for him. I believe Brushy was the Kid but at the same time I could see an old man pursuing this on the Kid’s behalf in his last years, knowing he had nothing to lose.
Why can't we all just give this guy a thumbs up it will really help, he did a great job explaining what happened. Show the guy some love and hit that thumbs up it will only take a second.....
Im very very glad the Kid lived out his days an honorable citizen . The truth is , at the time of his notoriety , during the Lincoln County War , he was dealing with a bunch of scoundrels . Billy the Kid was an genuine American Hero .may he rest in peace .
Freemasons….check out Poe and others gravestones…
Very well researched and informative, I don't know alot about this but definitely seems plausible, thank you for your time in doing this 😀
What a great in depth history lesson on a true American legend
The thing that stands out to me is he didn’t seek the interviewer out. He was visited by the interviewer because of somebody else’s tip as to who he really was. Brushy Bill is Billy the kid in my mind
Exactly. That is one of the key points for me too!
We all know that if someone truly wants to remain unknown, they go to great lengths to remain so, take Jack the Ripper for example. For all we know, Bushy Bill knew that if he made his claim to enough people, even under the guise of secrecy, eventually someone would not keep it secret. Come on guys, it’s good to have faith and we are all free to believe what we want, but let’s be clear about the fact that he was NOT BTK and would have went to any lengths to convince others that he was. How is this farce any different than the Anastasia Romanov one?
100% facts
A circle of LIARS back each other, they most probably had each other's telephone numbers and spoke every other week about how to go and perpetrate this con scam like card players around the same table or same saloons, since the early 1900's.
BTW, there were also many claiming to be the murdered Czar's surviving "daughter" (and heir) and one was famous for having a lot of the Palace details and intimate knowledge of family members. But those ones too, like Brushy's details, would have been known to the many people around the Czar's inner circles and even more by servants. Same for all those that knew the real William Bonney, many more would have heard from each one, as Brushy must have done from his untold source. And anyway most of Brushy story, like he himself claiming who he is, is irrelevant as Bible text
I totally agree 👍
The fact Billies friends flat out said he's the kid would be good enough to hold up in court. It was him period
That convinced me. He was willing to do a trip that would have exposed a fraud. If the governor weren't out of his depth, this could have been one helluva story...
Naaa...would you recognize someone from school when you were young and 70 years later you see that guy...remember hes laugh...hes spots in hes blue eyes...the hair is almost gone and white...the voice has changed...I would have had a hard time to do this...if you see a guy for a couple of month and then say its him...70 years later....nope...that is nearly impossible...it can be done but very diffcult. One of hes friends took two days to okey him as Billy so he was not sure either.
I know...i am boring...🙄
/Ernst
Tests were redone and it's not a match his ears eyes and jaw line does not match ..
This is great! Thank you so much for the History review! Keep on Tuckiin Brother! RIP Brushy Bill.
The FBI supposedly did a facial recognition analysis on the history channel and it was a perfect match.
93.1 % match which in a court of law would be enough to convict someone
With Brushy Bill having intimate knowledge of the Lincoln County war, all the scars in all the right places, the pictures being a 93% match and knowledge of the night Billy the Kid was supposedly shot by Pat Garrett, there are TOO many coincidences. Ever since I saw the movie Young Guns 2 I've had questions about the legitimacy of the story surrounding Billy the Kid's death and, now listening to this video, I'm a firm believer that Brushy Bill was exactly who he claimed to be... Billy the Kid
Ditto , oddly enough I ran a Shooting Range in Loveland Ohio where Emilio Estevez grandparents lived not too fat away, he would come in in the afternoons before we get busy , we both had long discussions on this topic...as my Great Great Grandfather is Frank James...he studied this extremely well before Shooting the movie, the movie though sensationalized is basically based on truth , we shared a bunch of time over this with Skyline chili for lunch and bullshiting about firearms
@@GolfRemoEchoGolf2 That's fantastic... Something to share with your kids and grandkids because a LOT of the "historical facts" that get taught in school aren't factual at all. The biggest lie being Columbus discovered America... Not even remotely true.
Anyway... Back to the topic at hand. Ever since seeing the Young Guns movies, I've had questions about the legitimacy about the "facts" surrounding the Kid's death and, while getting a Bachelor's in History, I studied it more... And then stumbling onto this video made me a) question the story even more and b) made me even more certain that Brushy Bill was the Kid. They need to check the DNA of Brushy Bill, the body in the Kids grave and anyone that is a direct decendant of the Kid. That will clear up things but I doubt they'll allow that because it will make a lot of people look REALLY stupid... Pat Garrett and Lou Wallace to name a few.
I believe a DNA test was pushed on the body thought to be Billy the Kid , or one was done I can't remember?? I 100 💯 percent believe and so did Emilio that Brushy was The Kid not to mention Pat and the Kid were at one friend's or road together, Pat got a ton of money at the time , Frank Jesse and the Kid had met at one time along with other outlaws who had Masonic Master Mason friend's in extremely high places who were tied to the KGC sort of CIA of the south side of the Civil War and the rabbit hole gets way way deeper..their was definitely more to this than I believe we are able to understand, some of their friends were known family members of the pirate Jean Lafitte also a Master Mason..im kinda getting off the path anyways someone did carve the world Pals into the head stone and I believe it was a message
@@GolfRemoEchoGolf2 As per the last point you just made regarding the word Pals being etched on the headstone... There was only one person that would have done that (everyone else was dead according to history) and only one person that there's no 100% proof of his death and that's the Kid. Like I said in my initial post, there's just way too much evidence indicating that Brushy Bill was the Kid and not enough evidence proving that Pat Garrett shot him in 1881 other than word of mouth. For all we know, and it's becoming more and more obvious, Pat Garrett and Governor Wallace conspired together and put out the story that Garrett killed the Kid just to cover their asses. If the public knew they killed the wrong man, they would look really stupid and lose all their credibility with New Mexicans and possibly the rest of the U.S. inhabitants. They couldn't afford that to happen
@@mikec6678 I agree 👍
My great great grandmother use to feed William as him and his friends passed through Tularosa, NM. All I can say, is he wasn’t killed.
When Brushy was interviewed by Morrison, he was able to show the man all the scars from knife wounds and bullet wounds. That was a pivotal point for me in my belief Brushy was factually Billy the Kid. Other facts were brought to light by Billy, but that one thing alone convinced me they were one and the same man.
Hey mane u is a lie
I lived in an empty part of New Mexico in 1975 and a very old man came to do some work on the trailer I was renting. We got to talking about pistols and he claimed his father knew Billy the Kid, and Billy wasn't killed by Pat Garrett, and instead lived to be an old man and his father's friend. He said his father grew up working on ranches and when they would go out to herd cattle they were all given lots of ammunition and when they came back, they were expected to have fired it all practicing, as they were the police, the soldiers, the protectors of the ranch from all forms of predators. He said he only saw his father shoot one time and that was on the 4th of July when his dad had a few drinks. He had the kids throw a can up in the air and he shot it. The interesting part is he said his dad never took the pistol out of the soft leather holster but instead bent the holster to fire the gun and hit the can in the air and several times on the ground. I never heard of that but I believed him because he didn't care if I believed him or not. He was just telling me.
barryb83110 Wow that's quite a story.
@@attilathehun0 I was asking him how cowboys could afford all the ammunition it would take to become proficient. His answer surprised me and it made sense.
oh yeah... ppl lie.
LOLOL All these people claimed to have said he was still alive, yet not an ounce of fact from any source. Just made up stories a century later. Dude died that day and myths can be fun, but fact is Billy The Kid, Loch Ness Monster, Bigfoot, UFO's, ghosts.............all creations from our imaginations, and not much more.
My great grandfather's neighbors uncle told us that Brushy Bill was Billy the Kid. He met Brushy Bill at a brothel in 1901 in Arizona.
This is a fun video. Ever since the movie "Young Guns" came out and they talk about an old guy coming out of the desert claiming to be Billy....fascinating. Now a couple of points I would like to make. 1. Brushy Bill was not parading about looking for media attention trying to pass himself off as Billy. It looks to me like he was living a quiet life where nobody knew who he was until an investigator contacted him and tried to dig up his past, then stuff started to happen. Seems to me if he was looking for media attention he would have been banging that drum a long time ago. 2. DNA test could prove all this. Just dig up Brushy Bill, get a finger bone....maybe some nail clippings...a tooth. Then get a DNA sample from the closest living relative of Billy The Kid.....then look how close the match is. Bam! case closed.
I do not know why nobody has ever even attempted to get DNA evidence from Brushy Bill. That would certainly close the case, but I think that generally, people love a good mystery.
They won't do it because as is typical with the government, they would have to admit they lied
DNA testing really isn't too expensive nowadays either. The hardest part would be getting permission to exhume the body. If there are still living relatives you would need their say so, if there are any relatives alive that remember him they might not want his corpse desecrated which is fair enough I guess. Still might be worth looking into though, would be nice to get confirmation if this lead is correct or not
We also have technology now that you can take a picture of a person and enhance it to what he’s gonna look like when he’s older and you do have one picture of Billy the kid that they could do that with and see if he does look like brushy
@@henryofskalitz5212 Brushy's own relatives knew to the T that he NEVER WAS Henry McCarthy (aka. William Bonney).
They knew him ALL his life. Is their testimony not enough?
Indeed you are right, "case" closed. without need of exhumation or even testing DNA
3 things.
1. For a long time I had believed Billy was killed like the "story" says. Your video lays down the facts and the evidence. I was kind of in both camps for a while, but this clarifies everything I had thought of and answers all of my nagging questions.
2. Having watched several other videos on the same subject, some with the same outcome, some with the age-old story, your 3-part video is by far and away the definitive video to watch.
3. Best ever - Eleventeen out of ten
Thanks for the nice comment, I appreciate that. I tried to be very thorough in my look at all the evidence. There really is a lot to look at which is why it required 3 videos to cover it all. I'm glad you watched them all. I wish more people watched all 3 and then made an opinion.
I give the guy a pass. Sheriff screwed up and billy got away to start a new life ✌🏻
Well Done Thank you! You handled this like a true holistic passionate genealogist, determined to pull the pieces together. This is so plausible and rings very true to me, much appreciated.
But.it is all baloney. This guy is not a geneologist. Everything he says is prefaced as "could be". Downright silly.
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My grandfather knew Brushy Bill as a child and says the entire town believed he was The Kid.
He says that the rep from New Mexico Governor didn't want to acknowledge it bc it would change history. Basically.
that's exactly what I have been thinking
Good point-then you have Pat murdering an innocent man and covering it up.
They wanted the money from the muesem.
The biggest thing for me is there is No Death Picture.Outlaws we're photographed back in those days.
I think there were no photographer in Fort Sumner...it was too small a town for that then...and Billy was not Jesse James either....he was a young man who was at the wrong side of the law...but ok...he was a bit infamous so if there was a camera in the town i guess that it would have been pics taken.
/Ernst
That was good to hear thanks from London uk🇬🇧 keep up the good work
When I was on the road I had to have a tooth pulled out in Silver City NM. The dentist whose last name was White told me it was his grandfather that had arrested a Billy the Kid as a teenager. The Kid escapes the jail in Silver City.
I too am a believer in Brushy Bill being the Kid. What sole it for me was the person who noticed his eye pigments that were just like the young Billy.
A blind man can see they are not the same person , look at the nose for a start .And the shape of his head , the eye line etc
@@danjames5552 A tintype is a mirror images, you have to flip it with comparisons
@@danjames5552 right on dan!! 2 different people for sure
@@ermano58 the one on the right looks like my mother-in-law 😜
@@danjames5552 your the man !! How could anybody and i mean ANYBODY be suckered in by ollie p roberts or ollie p roberts or william henry roberts or brushy bill hes 20 years too young looks NOTHING like billy bonney. Cmon people WAKE UP
“Quit napping on the job Bob” man I love those movies
I'm confident in my own mind that Brushy Bill was The Kid.
im confident you are an idiot
How many outlaws had 26 scars from gunshots and knives, including 2 that were in the same locations as confirmed Billy had. That alone is very convincing, but add to that all the other details and I would bet my money Brushy Bill was Billy the Kid.
And how many farmers have that many scars? I agree. Plus it wouldn't be the first time a body was buried or disposed of quickly. Recently in fact.
The wrists are the one fact that convinced me!
The wrist. The scars. The knowledge of details. Both being ambidextrous. If all those facts hold up to scrutiny, then they lead to the obvious answer. He was Billy the Kid.
I learned one thing that wasn't changed back than was ears. They have the same ones so related at least
@@gregbambamjackson yea, big one on left side.
He looks nothing like him. People lie alot
I don't buy it ither
As a kid from New Mexico i was ate up with Billy the kid and still have a drawing that i did of him when i was around 14 years old. My mom told me a long time ago that back in the day Billy was running from the sherriff's posse and broke into my great grandfatheres farm house to hide when my great grandfather heard some one in his house he knocked him out and left him on the floor to sleep it off, when he woke up next morning he was gone and he learned later that was who it was that he had knocked out. My mom swore it was true she wasn't one to lie she was a very religious person and scared to make god mad. i'm 73 and remember this like it was yesterday.
I believe this story to be true, I’ve been a fan of Billy the kids since I was a little boy, even the documentary they do with him standing on a rock next to each Antelman they do a body analysis comparison to tintype to the man standing on the rock. I thought it was very funny it went to such extremes to show the difference in comparison is that this is actually the same man. To me it was easy to tell it was the same man! It was a real easy giveaway the man standing on the rock was wearing the same hat as the man in a tin type photograph same exact hat as a projected one picture onto the other you can see all the silver medallion on my heart and actually the same height. It’s like people today wearing a baseball hat and men wear is basically the same baseball hat every day, or in the 1920s the gangsters usually wear the same hat. We also have to remember people did not have the money back them to just have a multiple sets of hats like people do today people were poor background it’s so obvious that Billy the kid lived, and it was a cover-up so obvious that Pat Garrett and him we’re friends to both or cowboys cowboys or gentlemen that moved cattle across the country. If you watch TV shows you can hear the yipping in the screaming with the cattle in reality if you did that the cattle would run in a stampede. How do you see cowboys with their mascon that was to keep the dust out of their eyes from the cattle moving when you move cattle you’re very quiet because this latest sound will Make them stampede. Billy has a child spent a lot of time in New Mexico he had a set of spurs most cowboys did not have them he was taught by the Mexicans how to ride horses the reason for spurs was not hurt the Horse reason for the Spurs that the Mexican used was to give them a little nudge to make them move with the cattle because it was a slow process Billy had a beautiful set of spurs beat out a silver a gentleman in New Mexico gave him when he was a teenager when he went out on his own to make money run in cattle. This is before the war between the beef herders. Lincoln county was nothing but a bunch of businessman fighting over beef this is why Billy the kid became famous for no other reason all over money and greed for all the beef that came from down in Texas and had to come up north. Got a remember you couldn’t mix New England cows with Texas cows most of them would die because of ticks they dropped like flies because they could not handle the change the Texas cattle go through though long grass on the Rangers or through the woods and get bitten by a nymph tick causing them to havelime disease. This is why cattle rustling started this is why they stopped moving cattle with people who started moving cattle on trains later on there is a lot of money to be made and cattle at that point and everybody was crooked just like they are today. Money is the root of all evil and always will be you can believe me or not I don’t care. This is just my opinion
I am 110% certain after doing a lot of research that Brush was no doubt 'The Kid'. There is more research to clear as much of the story up as possible.
Thanks for your fantastic Oxford (ox- forward) English.
Anyhow you conveyed your thoughts and we understand it.
Well done 👍
This is what happens when you talk into an iPad LOL
That was an awesome video. But I was just showing the real facts in your video The hat is the same hat But you get my attention through the whole thing good job
Went out on his own? You mean he was chased out of NYC, state and most states between there and new Mexico
Brushy Bill Roberts was in fact identified by a lady living in Tom Green County Texas.
The elderly lady was 9 years old when Billy the Kid was tried and incarcerated in New Mexico. Her father was in the military and they were known to been present when the trial had taken place.
9 at the time elderly when she talked about it.. it possible but unlikely she saw whom she yhinks
My great grandfathers third cousin on his mothers side by marriage to his aunts sister cousin to her brothers mother in law twice removed by marriage but still a fifth cousin by his gramdmothers sixth cousin once read a newspaper article on billy bonney 🤣🤣🤡
says who you
@@dennisdonovan974 says the lady says historians and says professionals.. but we will never know for sure due to the governor of the states want allow the body's to be exhumed for DNA testing..
@@ermano58 so you are your own step grandpa?
Just comparing their ears, which don't usually change with the passage of time, it looks like they are one and the same to me.
Look at the chin ..The jaw bone never changes and the guy on the left is not Billy the Kid...Nose is different eyes are separated different...It’s Bull ...
I have walked in the footsteps and the very same path along the creek in Lincoln, New Mexico that Billy and the Regulators used when leaving
The famous shootout at the lawyers house.
I'd like to see pictures of that! Awesome 👌
Fascinating! Thank you!
This will always be a argument for the ages, I'm a huge billy fan. So iv had to tell myself no matter what happens billy is brush roberts and lived to be a old man and thats all I care about, I love me some billy the kid
Agreed. Brushy may or may not have been Billy, but people keep getting hung up on the date of birth differences between them like it eliminates or disproves his claim. They forget that identity theft participants are not concerned with the year someone was born. Even today a 30 year old could assume a 50 year olds identity and it happens all the time. And no one would know the difference unless someone actually knew the person whose identity was stolen.
@@portalofwisdom8858 when someone famous dies people like to believe they did not die and lived to a ripe old age. the truth is none living today will know for 100% sure if Brushy Bill Roberts was Billy the Kid. I like to think he was Bill the kidd the Reality is we don't know for sure....so as others mentioned this will be a topic people talk about for ages....aside from a Real life Time machine we will never know. one other thing just like to day it's easy to lie about events and if Pat Garrett made a mistake and killed the wrong person well he is not going to admit that and anyone involved will keep the truth hidden.
Amazing story.
I'm from a Mormon background on my mother's side. I had relatives who emigrated to Mexico rather than give up polygamy. One relative became rather well known in the Mexican revolutions. Some East Coast "penny dreadfuls" were writing lurid tales of his supposed escapades. His brothers were giving him the hoorah about that and said he was going to be as famous as their neighbor, Billy the Kid. That was written about by another family member. Yes, the letter still exists. I've seen a copy of it in a Mormon family history book.
Well, that settles it. After all, when is anything religiously connected , ever not true................
Family search has Billy the kid had 13 brothers and sisters.
I enjoyed your video as much as I enjoyed "Alias Billy The Kid" videos. Great documentation.
I will say that I wasn't sure about Brushy Bill being the Kid but this video is very convincing
Parabéns pela excelente postagem, acredito fortemente que Brushy Bill era o Billy The Kid.
The hips give it away. When you see pictures of brushy over the years and see his stance and compare his structure with the classic photo of the kid with the rifle at his side, it's the same body. The eye brows and ears also match up over the years. Shoulders as well.
Looking at the chin of these 2 pics... billys chin is much longer and eyes further apart, just going by those two pics I don't think it's him
@@chrismiller5875 probably loss of teeth due to age.
Maybe it would do it a little but those faces don't match up in any way I can see
@@chrismiller5875 I'm glad you told that Joe Biden loving gun banning clown off. It's clearly not the kid
You should work for the FBI, they never had anyone with your god-like photo analysation technique.
Can you fart laser beams at .25 impulse and slow roast a hotdog?
"Hello Bob! ... "G'bye, Bob!"
I was hoping Brushy was Billy. But Brushy’s stories of what he did in his post Billy the Kid time is so fantastical that it is unbelievable. He did fought in wars, worked for Pinkerton and other unbelievable stories in a very short amount of time. So I am skeptical of his claims.
He'd only be able to get the leads to those jobs at the time because who he was
@@TheGoodReverendSatan not sure I follow you. We may be in agreement, not sure. If he is in hiding and believed to be dead, he can’t use his name or reputation to get leads to be a soldier, Pinkerton detective, Wild West show/rodeo star, etc. He’d blow his cover if he let people know who he really was. Pinkerton would not have allowed outlaw Billy the Kid to work for them in my opinion. I would also think they did background checks on their own people. They were the premier detective agency after all. That’s why I don’t think his story adds up. You may disagree.
@@timfolly7323 back then if you weren't in jail you could be anything you wanted, sadly its not like that anymore
love when they put pics up side by side and they never match up and fade/shade out parts that are plain to see
I wasn't sure about this theory, when hearing about it years ago, but I never saw pictures of Brushy when he was young and holy hell they look identical AND he looks like the picture I just saw of Billy the Kid and Pat Garret together!
The pics I saw in this video are far from convincing. The nose isn't right, neither are the eyes, eyebrows, or hairline. The bottom of the ears look different as well. I remain interested but a bit skeptical.
Really ? I've not seen any pictures of brushy that look like BTK
@@garyjameswilson yeah, but the famous tintype is a bad one to compare, because its warped and someone who knew Billy said it doesn't do him justice.
There's more pictures of the Kid that were found recently, that look just like pictures of Brushy when he was young; ontop of all the other evidence and "coincidences"
@@garyjameswilson also the tintype image is reversed, but when you account for that both Brushy and Bill have one ear that protrudes noticeably more than the other
@@stephanwatson7902 BTK has attached ear lobes......Brushy doesn't?
Great video, thank you
How could that be the same person when the picture of the kid his jaw line is huge and the other guys is shaped way different.
Old age; people lose teeth, jaw lines can shrink, & I've seen many people who in old age, looked nothing like they did when they were younger. Not difficult at all.
@@thomasparnell1025 Your chin don't change size and shape with old age. Your eye distance don't change and your eye size and shape don't get bigger with age and your shoulders don't go from sloping down to straight. There's pictures of a young Brushy and he still does not look like Billy.
@@attilathehun0 that's also a very old shity reversed imaged messed up photograph
It’s been a huge question in my mind about how Billy the Kid died, and for some reason there was no closure.
The way they claim that Pat Garret shot him in the dark, to me it sounded sketchy.
Now that I’ve suddenly out of nowhere years later after I’ve put it away.
I fin this video and to me it’s feels complete now
Thank You
I can finally complete the song and video I’m writing about my hero
Billy the Kid
Thank You 😊
They were best friends honorable men I'd cover for for my best friend in order to save him
@@edwardgarcia8719That's a good friend
People's looks can change over many years, my ex wives are living proof of this!!
lol
🤣😂🤣😂 mines too
My ex-wife used to have a slim waistline, a tiny butt, and a cute face. Then she turned into a Sasquatch.
Really? Well, what do you three jokers look like now? Are you all still the picture of youth, virile as a pack of stallions, and heads full of lush and vibrant hair? HMMMMM? Your comments, though mildly humorous, they are also transparently typical and telling. 🙄 Silly, Silly boys.
@@timothyleary2900 💀🤣🤣🤣
Yes indeed. However detached earlobes like billy the kid had get larger. Attached earlobes like Liying Brushy Bills where attached .
You've convinced me. This would hold up in court. The wounds would have sealed the deal..
but there is no proof of any wounds just what someone who was trying to make a story said
@@jimmytreadway3195 If the Governor wasn't such an idiot, at least we would know ..
Why would ‘Brushy’ claim he was Blly the Kid when he knew he wasn’t long for this life, and would soon be before his maker? That’s the question, in my mind, that makes me believe ‘Brushy’. Thanks for the good work.
Yes, it's a 'deathbed' statement, if you have little future then why lie?
I could flip it and ask, if one so consumed in wanting so much to be someone they are not, why NOT lie till the very end? Clearly Bushy Bill was committed to “being” BTK, therefore it is completely understandable that he would claim it with his last breath (rest his soul), otherwise, why go the lengths that he had up until that point? His entire goal was to be remembered as someone of legend, he wanted that tombstone of his to claim that he was “Billy the Kid” THIS is the entire reason that he set out to claim what he claimed. He wanted a legacy, even if it wasn’t his own. PERIOD
@@c.r.j6675 At his age he may not even remember who he was.
He just want fame
Ears are different, chin is a different hight, eyebrows have a different arch, and the noses are of similar size… which is suspicious since noses don’t ever stop growing. Unless cosmetic surgery was far more advanced than possible in that day, I can’t see those two pics as being the same man at different ages regardless of who says what.
I'm an in general non-believer of many things including conspiracy theories and majority faddist sentiments. But if the narrator's statements are true, this is highly intriguing. And I do see extremely strong facial similarities - look at the eyebrows, the nose, the prominent ears and even blocky chin..
I see no facial similarity 1st picture has straight nose with larger nostrils. The face is of a different shape.
I may be wrong. Thats what I see.
they did same with jessie james the guy who claimed he was jessie had members of the gang said he was jessie he died after returning home
Wabbit In Red Sometimes you just have to call a spade a spade and while I can see the old Brushy's resemblance to his young, at first glance I agree, it doesn't look like the Kid. But then.....if only young Brushy had opened his mouth...and squinted his eyes in the bright sunlight.....again look at the broad gently ached brows, the sticky ears, the shape of the nose and the proportion of chin. Also one if his girl friends mentioned thick lips - the known Kid tintype doesn't even show that so would you say that's not the Kid?; while young Brushy does have a healthy amount of lip, maybe hiding prominent front teeth? Pictures are deceiving - many (idiots) today still cite Paul McCartney's various photographic differences as proof he's an imposter after 1966 and yet even post '66 photos have many differences in say....nose shape and eyes. So I don't know either but I can't discount it. What we need to do is superimpose parts of each photo such as the hat and the mouth on the other, maybe the eyes too and see how they compare.
Rick Gibbs Understood and I've kind of commented that in another video...that his gang (from 2nd hand reports of course), seemed a bit ambiguous in their recognition. It was like 'oh the brown bits in his blue eyes, that's Billy alright!'. If I saw an old friend it'd be "Hey Billy you old rascal!" In other words instant recognition as a whole person not 'Hmmm yeah the eyes match so I guess it's you'. But thats a 2nd hand report and could be out of context. Brushy seemed to consort with many old Kid gang and LCWar associates - that'd be some conspiracy for them all to agree with an imposter, You'd think someone would've spilled the beans.
@@rickgibbs5450 j frank dalton was a complete fraud. Jesse james daughter brought a pair of jesses boots they didnt fit dalton. She asked him her middle name he did not know she asked him her brothers middle name he did not know she asked him to name thier mothers relatives he did not know she walked away laughing at the imposter
Thanks for the video, well done.
His final resting place is in a cemetery near Hico, Texas. A few of my uncles are from Iredell - about 10 miles from Hico. They told me that when they were young that they had met him in person. My uncles didn't lie to me.
His grave is just outside Clovis NM. Went by it years ago
I imagine alot of ppl claimed they were or knew the kid,problem is there's to many liar's to ever know for sure
That's not entirely true.
The authorities just don't want to spend the money and put legal roadblocks to resolving a lot of identity cases.
There's a lot of inconvenient history out there and the authorities would just as soon save the money and keep the "official, approved history" on the books to keep headaches at bay.
Contrary to popular belief, none of the major sciences (history, biology, astronomy, etc.) like rewriting their books. Academics like familiarity -- that's why new discoveries and correcting errors is not a huge desire for the mainstream. It is difficult for these people to admit when they're wrong and they're not as open-minded as you think. There is also the fact that federal money is involved with a lot of academic programs and the Feds DO NOT like things that shake up the establishment. They want to preserve their status quo as it is. Challenging the status quo and being a headache to the Feds can lose major academic programs millions of dollars in grants.
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Descendants of infamous persons can get orders to exhume graves to examine remains and get DNA samples to compare against descendants but over half the time the authorities block this. Even if you independently raised money to pay for DNA testing, a judge or politician can put pressure to block a serious investigation.
It's been done multiple times.
A lot of this happens because of past dirty politics by the government. It's decades later but the establishment want to avoid getting eggs in its face and won't admit to sloppy investigations. The alphabet agencies do not like being presented as crooked and incompetent with investigators who missed key evidence or nabbed the wrong guy. Why do you suppose they block FOIA requests and heavily censor "released documents"?
I’ve listened to your video which was excellent well done I do think having done some research myself there is a real possibility that he was Billy a fascinating story
If Billy Barlow was a cousin of John Wesley Harden it would explain the reason for Killin Jim Miller wanting Pat Garrett dead as he was also related to the Hardens. Miller also killed Isaac 'Con' Conrad Gibson who was a friend of Pat Garrett. They were neighbors in Uvalde, Texas. Isaac was my great grandfather and my grandmother told many stories that she remembered as did her brother and sister. Her brother was Jim Gibson who died in Divine, Texas in 1970 and was a Texas Ranger. Uncle Jim cursed the name of Miller who once became a Ranger himself. Isaac's wife vowed vengeance for her husband's death and were sickened by Miller's convictions being overturned. Some of their relatives were in Oklahoma and among those who lynched Miller. There's more to tell that could link Brushy Bill but also could just be coincidence. Small town politics were and still are corrupt as hell. Look no further than the city of Midland and the 310 convictions recently thrown out over a corrupt DA and Judge.
billy Barlow didnt even exist
My great Aunt Bessie Gibson Adam's and her sister Mabel Gibson Kutzer (my grandmother) told a story of their father Isaac Conrad Gibson when he lived near Uvalde, Texas. Isaac's friend Pat Garrett had a ranch nearby as well. A disheveled fellow showed up one day on his way up from Mexico where he spent time with friends. He needed work for a short time as he was headed north. They said he called himself Bill but this was passed down to them by older siblings as they were not born yet. Looking for more descendants of Isaac Gibson to get more information.
I remember watching some years back. Watching an episode of 'Unsolved Mysteries; hosted by Robert Stack. And for some reason (I don't always feel this way. When some elderly person emerges.) Claiming, to be someone of great notoriety. But, this one instinctively felt as though... Brushy Bill, was INDEED Billy 'The Kid'. It's the truth anyhow!
-Min. Obie Amos.
The UM episode also convinced me that he was Billy; he desperately wanted the governor of New Mexico to pardon him for past crimes, & when the governor refused to even Look at it, Brushy left there with a broken heart.
Personally I like to think Billy lived to be old. It makes the world a little more mysterious. I like that more then the Pat Garrett story.
Plus how many people had so many wounds?
Especially the gun shot holes
i always questioned that billy and pat 'made a deal'....i like the story brushy told./...how pat garrett had already 'shot the wrong guys' before and couldnt have shot and killed an innocent man, he would likely be hanged.
Great job man...Thank you!
I believe this story. I love the way you told it. Where is bushy bill buried. Has anyone done DNA.
There are no living decendents of billy to compare his dna too
In the pictures, the nose and the ears are really similar. But one thing that really convinced me was that back in those days, if a lawman caught a fugitive, and killed him, it was customary to bring the dead fugitive to town, put him in a coffin, then take pictures. Garrett was said to have a big ego, so if he shot Billy the Kid, why didn't he bring the body back to town and take pictures??? That fact alone says alot!!!
Btw, the big indicator that he’s not Billy? Where’d that chin go?
Probably dental work.
very interesting info thank you
I'm not a historian or anything of the sort . I was born in the Tularosa Basin my grandfather was born in 1888 . My mother was born in Ruidoso nm . Her great aunt was at the maxwell place when a Billy was killed she told our family that the guy that was buried was of spanish decent not a white man and definitely not Billy the Kid . Who knows one way or the other but I believe my family members much more than anyone who wasn't even in that part of the country when all that took place !!
That's pretty cool....and well done investigation presentation
I have read most of the comments here and all I can say is you lot must be blind , you can see its not the same man .Look at the eye line , the nose is totally different, and the shape of his face , chin etc , and the reason he did not want them to question his wife because she knew he was not billy the kid . 😂😅😂😅😂😅😂
I agree
I knew a guy he could slip out of handcuffs,Manuel Vergudo. R.I.P.
You don't need to go by crude tools of a 1990 photo recognition study. Just look at the pictures. Even a young Brushy had a wider mouth, no buck teeth, a shorter flatter chin and a larger eye shape.
Right again attila !! Fget facial recognition use your own eyes theres no match no where ,,eyes ,,ears ,,nose ,,jaw nothing ,,one facial recognition computer gave bullshit bill roberts a 46 rating meaning no match at all
Why didn’t they photograph Billy if he truly died by Pat Garrett? Every famous outlaw was photographed after death back then.
The closet photgropher was 300 miles away might have taken a week to get to ft sumner do u know what a dead body with no refrigeration smells like ? Rotting in the sun?
@@ermano58 and who made the claim that the only photographer was 300 miles away that's bull shit
I went to the Billy the Kid museum in N.M. years ago. They have barber clippings of Billy's hair there. In Santa Fe they have a blood stained bench covered in the blood of the guy Pat shot. Always wondered why they don't try for a DNA match.
DNA is to damaged
They could exhume older relatives of Billy the kid for dna and compare with brushy bills dna if there is any.
They did not have the technology back then. It would be a good idea to test it to put an end to the question.
I don't believe hair clippings give DNA. You have to get the root of the hair follicle for DNA.
The blood stained bench has no blood value as all kinds of animals pigs sheep horses were all slaughtered there fget dna off those blood stains
Look at the chin alone. Unless he had plastic surgery, there's no way.
Very well said, I believe he was Billy, an have for a long time, listening to other historians
In my heart I honestly believe Brushy Bill was Billy the Kid. This coming from a ambidextrous Billy 😁😁😁
Henry McCarty, Williams H Bonney, aka Billy the Kid was shot and killed by Pat Garrett in Ft Sumner, Maxwell Ranch, New Mexico on Friday night 7/15/1881 at approx 12:30AM in Peter Maxwell's bedroom.. The body was placed out for several hours for public view in front of Billy Smith's saloon. Dozens saw the body and no one disputed the that it was Billy.
There was no photographer available nor a doctor to pronounce death. Billy was prepared for burial in the normal way and buried. And thats the story
Billy smith's saloon? Where did you dream that up? I've studied this for years and never heard of this.
@@tylerbob4853 Dream that up?
Maybe youve heard of "Beaver" Smith's saloon...
Seems maybe youve wasted years of study if you dont even know who Billy "Beaver" Smith is...
Where do you think his most famous photo was taken? Same saloon...
Billy the kid knew spanish, I always thought he went south for a while to Mexico, maybe as far as Argentina.. he lost most everything in the US, but I think he would come back eventually.
I was not born where I live now, but I've been back to that area since I left.
Interesting, well documented and delivered
The LEGEND lived on because of a fateful night of a screw up by Garrett...Billy got a chance at a new life ...
George Coe (participant in the Lincoln County War/ close friend of Billy) said in Autobiography, Billy was dead.
If he was lying about being Billy the kid then he was taking a big chance going to NM to get a pardon because Billy the kid was wanted for murder and if they believed him he could have been arrested because murder doesn't have a statute of limitation.
What chance? If it was him, he knew he was at the end of his life and would never make it to trial. Worst case, he would be housed and fed until he died. By the way, I don’t think he was Billy
Neither did horse theft at the time. Those laws didn't get a limitation til AFTER the 50s.
Well he said that he fled from jail in Lincoln but not that he killed Olinger and Bell...and they died from Billys hand....there were a lot of people out and saw him ride away after one or two hours trying to get rid of the iron around hes ankels...and they were not lying. The governor did not belive him when he said he was Billy so no problem. He did not dare to tell that...he could have got in to jail for murder so he kept that part out of the story. Someone else killed the two lawmen i Lincoln then?? I dont think so.
Well done!
It would be cool if DNA tests could be done.
Billy Barlow was a name people used when nosey strangers asked too many questions that were none of their business. I'm unsure of its origin, possibly Appalachia. Billy had deep roots there.
I am one of the BIGGEST Billy the Kid fans, and have been to Lincoln county, and many other places. But as much as like to believe this is true I just don’t, wonderful video and an amazing job. God bless
I believe it. I want it to be true. It’s too good of a story to not be true.
Old Brushy told stories about being with Teddy R in Cuba and joining Villa during the Mexican revolution. The guy was not Billy the Kid or went to Cuba with Teddy R or rode with Villa. People want to believe he was Billy so bad, they talk themselves into it.
Pretty sure this will be a split forever.
@@rackroll4405 If by split you mean all historians and people who have read/researched this on one side (that Billy was killed by Garrett, obviously), and people who happened to watch a video, read an article or a comment or two on the other, then yes, we'll be split for ever. But there really isn't any split among those who have actually researched the Kid.
As far as Billy the Kids early life goes he's lucky he had someone who take him in when she did. Times were not good for little children without their natural parents. Also many thing Brushy Bill said about a lot of things you said were things that many people didn't know until they were checked on later. This is a fascinating story. Thank You.
Details fade with memory's age , and Spanish proficiency will fade fast if you don't use it.
Great video
Is it coincidence? We all learned that Pat Garrett killed Billy the kid in fort Sumter if not mistaken. But too much has come about to really think and believe if Brushy Bill Roberts was not truly Billy.
Billy use to live in Wichita ks with his mother. North of Wichita about 35 miles was a little town that used to be called Booth, KS. Now known as Darlow. My house was a small 3 room hotel and was built in 1880. It is rumored Billy stayed here at one point. The registration book from that time is somewhere at the local museum. Donated by the person who owned the post office/ phone house next door. I hope the registration book will be found. I spoke to the curator at the museum and he said he'd keep an eye out for it. I would like to know if it is true.
Billy the kid was Irish.
Brushy Bill is not Irish. 😂
try he was from italy..born severio molenario of moscoav italy..pat garret faked his death..he went north to simla colorado..took the name william tamlin...married mierva mccorkle..he had 10 kids his first..nora tamlin..my fathers mothers mother...this is the story thats been told in my family for at least 80 yrs.
i have a good story to tell..might be able to prove im related thru ...dna if locks of hair museum in lincoln claims to be his
Exactly the young pictures of bullshit bill with the black hair and black mustache he looks almost mexican or columbian or puerto rican no way shape form is he anywhere near looking like bonney
how do you know that
@@dennisdonovan974
Roberts was his Real Name !
I would really doubt it
Brushy bill looked nothing like billy
The Doble photo with the young guy and Billy really fit
The 1 thing that stands out to me, Garrett was on a last chance from his higher ups from failing to capture Billy. He was a known con man and a screw up. If he admitted to killing an innocent man in cold blood, he probably would have been hanged, so I feel it's entirely plausible that if garret killed Barlow he would do everything in his power to cover it up. Couple that with Billy supposedly being buried the falling morning with no confirmation on the body aside from Garrett in a dimly lit ranch house room at 3AM and his own deputy said it was the wrong man instead of parading the body of new Mexico's public enemy number 1 and normally marshals and bounty hunters would have to present the body to the highest ranking official(the body of jesse james was displayed and open to the public after it was confirmed to be jesse) to be paid. All I'm saying is that the circumstances of the whole garret story are suspect enough and outside the normal means of operation to warrant reasonable doubt. Do I think brushy was Billy? Well there's a damn good chance he was. The facial structure lines up decently and there's doubt for Garrett's acount.
Junglehunter677 Billy the Kid's body was on public display a wake was held. July 1881 out in the Stix New Mexico. Do you actually think they were going to let Billy's body rot in that heat so days later some journalists and cameramen can show up and take pictures or that Pat should of dragged his corpse to Lincoln? Despite Jesse James corpse seen by many and even a picture it did not stop Brushy and his buddy Dalton claiming to be Jesse James.
Junglehunter677 Poe at first told Pat he couldn't of killed Billy the Kid, but after they lit the candle it was Billy's corpse on the floor. Poe's book is called "The Death of Billy the Kid" and not "Brushy Bill Roberts Wild Escape"
They did a computer analysis between 2 photos of 2 individuals thought to be John Wilkes Booth. These were photos taken decades apart. One in the late 1850s or circa the Lincoln assassination of the authenticated historical JWB, the other 15-20 years later of a man under an assumed identity.
The computer program compared major facial landmarks.
The photos matched 98%!
No, on its own this does NOT prove the men in the two photos ARE both JWB but you'd be a fool and bad investigator not to do more forensic investigation.
The only thing is that the Feds are blocking exhumation of the alleged JWB burial site (if anyone knows where the remains are bured) or comparison of authenticized Booth DNA (from a living ancestor of Edwin Booth or Edwin Booth's remains) with the spine tissue they removed from the fugitive declared as JWB that they gunned down at a burning Virginia barn. The majority of the living Booth family WANTS this investigation to be done!
At the very least, they could use the same computer program to compare the authentic Billy the Kid photo with the gentleman alleged to be the elderly Billy. A high degree of probability of match, again, should be something to spur more action.
The authorities just do not like to see history rewritten in a light that makes them look like incompetent, lazy fools!
@@AvengerII they actually did, it matched 99% which gave way to the major investigation to exhume the bodies of brushy bill, Billy's mother, and the supposed body of the kid himself to under go DNA testing, but some heavy floods in the early 2000s washed away all the grave markers so no one really has any idea where the kid and his mother are buried, and unless some new evidence comes forth(highly unlikely) the investigation will remain on an indefinite hiatus and leaving the brushy bill story going strong
@@AvengerII You don't need a computer program to know that Brushy ain't Billy. Just look at the pictures. Different face, age and shoulders. In 1990 there was a photo recognition study where allegedly it was reported as a close match. I don't need a computer with scanning equipment to know that Aron Rogers and Tom Brady are not the same persons nor is Brushy Billy.