@@Mad_Scot it's a score adjustment. If the class average is especially bad, you can curve the grade to make more students pass, so some will have higher grades and some lower.
The teacher didn’t change William’s grade until he said “this is the dumbest shit ever. You must be a bad grader…” It’s still wrong, but William did overreact
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My teacher took a merit from me for no reason, so I sent her a semi-rude email about it. (Keep in mind I am a #1 student and up until this point I only got merits taken from ZZZ ONCE in my WHOLE LIFE) She was (rightfully) mad about it but gave me back the merit (untook it) BUT then she took another one because of my rude email. Before I saw she took another point I emailed her back saying I was sorry for my tone and I just wanted the point back because it should not have been taken. She never responded… it’s her job to respond, right? PS, this just came to me but it’s substantial: It was one of those “A small bit of the class was bad so you’re all punished” type things. Her ONLY defense is she was going to tell us about it during her class. I sent her the email at 8:10 AM, her class is 1:30 PM. THIS IS 10th grade ma’am I thought we were better than this.
@@ww6372a grade is permanent. There is future damage that could result from this. For example a college/employer might look at this test results and reject him because it’s too low.
@@carrot7590 Edit: so for anyone saying that it isn't, are you implying that a teacher can legally change a random grade to 0 whenever they want? If not, why not? the syllabus can be considered a binding contract. If there wasn't a grade of respect, then what the teacher did was illegal
This entire situation could have been prevented if the teacher went: I had just gone over your work again and this is why you didn't get a higher mark - lists all errors and incorrect answers Edit: I'm tired of replying to these with the exact same responses half the time. It's common sense. Treat someone like a dick they'll be a dick back. Even if they're in the wrong you still need to show respect and there's always an easier way to settle things than escalating it with stupidity and arrogance Also I'm not insinuating they just HAND answers to them. I'm saying that they need to go through what was wrong in the first place. Could be a wrong formula, lack of shown work, or just wrong answers. He did offer to go through it with the kid but he could have also done it from home. And no, he's not going to write half an exams worth of answers if you can summarise what he did wrong in simple dot points (like "in this section you used the wrong formula, this section blah blah blah" it's not that long Seriously half you comments are just saying that over and over, and it really shows the lack of common sense you guys have you just like complaining. So there I've answered your questions for you. The end
You’re blaming the teacher for this shithead? Student needs to grow the fuck up. Teacher was professional, and was courteous enough to double check. The student absolutely deserved that fail after these emails.
And why would he do that? The class is over, there nothing to study for. William would be getting the test back eventually and see for himself, the teacher has already checked and seen that he William failed so why would he take the time to show him something that he’ll see eventually. Teachers have a shit ton of students do you expect him to write out each and every question each and every student got wrong, write down their answers then write down the correct ones, go through their past test to try and show any and every reason as to why they’d answer incorrectly? Lol naw bro William fucked up and that’s just how it be, and he already failed I honestly doubt anyone ganna go “the profesor sabotaged his student by changing his bottom tier F into a slightly lower F” this isn’t some elementary schooler their in college and throwing a hissy fit cause he probably didn’t check his answers isn’t a reason to waste someone’s time
A lawsuit 💀 you’re clearly delusional because we don’t know what the school’s policy is for this. Some schools do allow this sort of thing and that includes the school I go to. “Lawsuit” for what harassment?
@@hountybunter1 Well for one biased grading based off how much you like someone is wrong and detrimental to the student you're supposed to be providing a education to. The grading is supposed to represent how well the student retains their lessons. Being a proper teacher doing their job, and doing whatever this teacher was doing, is two very different things.
He’s allowed to do that if they don’t work at a public school and he had a valid crahsout as him lowering his grade didn’t cause anything different the guy was still going to fail
@@Afatgrandmanot true in a university the professor have 2 years to change a grade. The next semester is easy to get a professor to change your grade it happens all the time but after that you have to have a good reason and they have to write a report why they changing the grade for record so most teacher only do it for extreme cases
The professor offered a face to face meeting during winter term, saying the student was more than welcome to come in and discuss. The student turned it down
@@katelyntaylor7384 while i do think the student was a bit of a jerk, for all we could assume the student might not of been able to come in for that time. I had a teacher who MOST CERTAINLY knew i was never available before or after school due to tje fact my parents were busy, i know she knows this because she has to carpool me to HER school club. She gave me a paper, never explained what to do, and i did my best but failed. She told me word for word "You can come in only before or after school to fix this grade, and i can not pick you up for this, otherwise it is a zero" then fought with me when i told her i couldn't do that
Who is in the right? Nobody. None of these people are in the right. The student was rude, and the instructor had no right to change the grade after the final posting due to behavior that occurred after the semester was over. Sounds like the students' parents may also not have a great way of handling things. Reddit even has an acronym for this- ESH "everyone sucks here"
@@josephg.1.130no he doesn't. Unless it is in the syllabus that "hey, if I dont like you, I can change your grade whenever I want- even when your not even enrolled" And even then- that last part isnt legally possible either
@@josephg.1.130 um. Take it from an actual uni student- no, this does not happen everyday bc it IS actually illegal. Think of it like a job People have jobs to get pay and benefits. So.... yes, you can legally get payed for hours you work. But you cannot get payed for hours you didn't work. Your boss also cannot legally tale away your money after you have been fired from or quite the job. Why? Because it isn't the bosses problem now. You dont work under them. And even if you did they still couldn't take away money you already had bc of a personal grudge Professors cannot dip down your grade bc of "attitude". Grades are emotionless and bias-less. They are for performance in academic fields ONLY. NOT for personal feelings.
@@The_Jerkinator you act like you being a uni student matters, i literally see this all the time you arent going to convince me that im not seeing what im not seeing 💀
Yall weird fr like that 4 percent isnt changing shit, yall treat william like a messiah. Whether it was illegal or not isn't the issue, william is getting off on "being a little mad🥺" also reporting a false grade is also illegal
@@heyguy- "whether it was illegal or not isn't the issue" 💀 are you suggesting your feelings being hurt goes above legality? sounds sensitive af ngl.
@@chaoticcow4357 my apologies a different comment sums up my thoughts, they are both in the wrong. Also my point that William gets to be mad at a teacher that will forget about him in 3 years is what I'm highlighting, again my apologies I'm not trying to say that the literal crime isn't important but William's attitude shouldn't just be ignored
@@heyguy- Ah alright, although I dont think the cursing was necessary his frusteration was 100% appropriate, the teacher refused to show William what he had done wrong, which for any student that just took a life altering final, would REALLY, REALLY need. The teacher was acting subpar not only in handling of the situation but also yknow.. did an actual crime.
@@chaoticcow4357 I agree but I believe (and might be wrong) but unless the student asks a teacher might not need to give back a final although it can vary and I could be wrong
Usually when there’s a re-grade the professor can take either the highest of the 3, give the average, or go with the final re-grade. The student asked for a regrade and the professor obliged and probably realized he gave William points for things that weren’t points or the like. The disrespect probably made him decide to apply the re-grade.
The teacher didn’t even exactly say what he did wrong and up until the point the teacher was saying there’s nothing else to do, then the student got mad and in my opinion reasonably so.
You don't lash out at someone for your mistake. I agree that the teacher should have said what was wrong but lashing out at people that have nothing to do with people's failure is purely idiotic
@@Somedude3549he didn't make one. He has literally no idea what he did wrong and is getting vague feedback from an asshole who probably graded wrong. If I studied 20+ hours for a test snd when I fail I get treated like a bitch I would be pissed too.
@@Somedude3549Remember this may include monetary payment as well. Dude may have taken out loans to attend school and if it was a prerequisite class to another class in that major he may be delayed by another 6 months to a year and have to pay for that time he will have to repeat. I believe it's perfectly valid to get angry when professors can get away with doing the bare minimum in their teaching when it's priced so highly when they don't bare the consequences of those failures because remember they are supposed to be teaching and should make sure they do their best to teach their paying customers (i.e. students)
In my college experience, nobody fights professors harder than the ones with failing grades. A lot of them act like they did "so much" in class when in fact, they didn't. Something isnt adding up here.
William was definitely in the wrong but I can see why he might have acted that way. Definitely doesn’t make it right, but when you put your heart and soul into a class and end up with a FAIL it’s extremely frustrating and anxiety provoking. A better way to go about this is to ask for the corrected work and try to see what the disparity is. I don’t see why William’s parents would be upset if they knew how hard he studied. But also if he really did put in that work then how is it that he got a 48%? Things don’t add up
His family could come from a low income background and put a lot of emphasis on academic success purely because of the cost. He'll now have to repeat that class and pay for it again, which can create a general amount of frustration for him and his family because him trying hard doesn't change the financial impact/circumstance
@laerramarie2620 nothing he said implied that. He was simply giving a possible reason why the parents might be upset despite the student putting effort in, because the commenter didn't understand why that would be the case.
I guess it could be that he was stressed or the teacher graded harder than usual or something. It’s possible the test was graded unfairly so I assume that’s what the meeting the professor was talking about would go over?
@@laerramarie2620 the teacher should’ve sent a list as to why he did wrong and sent pictures as proof instead of just saying “well I graded it and I’m not wrong” like wtf is that good for?
Why are there so many people saying that the professor changing the grade was illegal? Maybe for high school, but it seemed like this was college to me, and it's 100% allowed there
Because "I don't like that" isn't strong enough to express their displeasure, and if they say it often enough, it MIGHT JUST come true! Or at least, that's what I'm assuming the delusion is.
@@necromancer6405 You do have grounds. "According to the Family Educational Rights and Privacy Act (FERPA), it is illegal for teachers to release students’ grades without their consent. Additionally, altering grades without proper authorization can be seen as a violation of educational policies and can lead to disciplinary actions, including termination of employment. In some cases, it might even involve legal charges if the fraud is significant and involves falsifying records."
He was being disrespectful it's not out of spite idk what teachers y'all have but the teachers at my school can absolutely change your grade due to your attitude maybe Willam should have thought about that before cursing the teacher but idk just my opinion :P
I agree that he was being very disrespectful. But his grade doesn't have anything to do with his people skills, it's about his knowledge on the class. I don't know, I guess I have a weird way of looking at it. You are probably right
On the bright side that teacher just changed his grade for retaliation, which could get him fired at the very least and at the very most could result in a lawsuit.
"Retaliation" Funny way to say "punishment for being disrespectful and insulting and wasting the time of a staff member". Let me guess, you think that if someone is sent to jail for murder, that's also retaliation, right?
William was in the wrong, but it is illegal to change a student's grade all because they were being disrespectful. I'm on William's side for this one. AMA
Idk what teachers you have but my schools teacher can absolutely change your grade due to your attitude and god forbid you swear at them Willam got a low score and him not getting how he got a low score doesn't change the fact it's still a low score the teacher was patient and respectful and even doubled checked it and then he goes ape shit on him? He got what he deserved
@@Carl-qh9jp No, they can't. "According to the Family Educational Rights and Privacy Act (FERPA), it is illegal for teachers to release students’ grades without their consent. Additionally, altering grades without proper authorization can be seen as a violation of educational policies and can lead to disciplinary actions, including termination of employment. In some cases, it might even involve legal charges if the fraud is significant and involves falsifying records."
@@lyntonfleming My source is FERPA. "According to the Family Educational Rights and Privacy Act (FERPA), it is illegal for teachers to release students’ grades without their consent. Additionally, altering grades without proper authorization can be seen as a violation of educational policies and can lead to disciplinary actions, including termination of employment. In some cases, it might even involve legal charges if the fraud is significant and involves falsifying records."
The students only mistake was not continuing to be respectful and then promptly going over the professor's head. If the scores are really wrong that's great but every teacher I've ever had will tell you why you got it wrong. Especially continuing to argue over email he should have just went in person
And the teacher offered to see the student in person. There's no way he could've gone over all the mistakes through email. Wouldn't have been helpful for learning, anyway, because he doesn't necessarily know what part of each problem the student didn't understand.
Hot take here but with how the teacher was quick on changing the grade up once william got rude (which is illegal btw), i'm starting to think that mayne william was right and the teacher might have graded him wrongly from the start, in which case william would have every right to be pissed Edit: jesus people, learn how to read, most of you guys have completely missed my point. I said that if the teacher was willing to change the grade just because william was rude, which THEY DID in the video, then it's also very likely that they lowered his grade FROM THE START and did it MORE in here during the video, as a good teacher that didn't do anything wrong would not do something like this
But even in that case the teacher didn't do anything wrong initially, William started escalated because he is a failure and can't cope and the teacher escalated further and broke the law by changing his grade
@@lepermessiah66bA teacher cannot report a false grade, they can substitute grades. but lowering one like this is either against contract or against the law in general
@@lepermessiah66b "even in that case they didn't do anything wrong"???? Bruh read my comment again i think you might have misread some stuff cuz if what i said was right hypothetically then the teacher was def in the wrong from the start
@@lvl30dragonthen maybe half of my teachers should be sued, who knows. I highly doubt it's illegal, nobody I've seen saying it's illegal has ever showed me the law saying it is
The student was definitely in the wrong for being disrespectful but the professor is even more and the wrong for blatantly abuseing their power. If the proff really feels the need to grade students on things like respect then they can add a professionalism category to the grade book but this needs to be done ahead of time and for every student.
When I was in high school, my mom gave me a really good analogy that I still use to this day. I hired someone to come put a roof on my house, and they were so sweet. They tried so hard and really did their best to do it correctly, but they ended up putting my roof on wrong. They still put the roof on wrong. Just because I could tell they tried really hard doesn't change the fact that the roof isn't on correctly. If I were a teacher and you did poorly in a test, you did poorly on a test. Now if I had noticed you working hard maybe we could do some extra credit or corrections, like this (totally real) teacher did for (totally real) William.
But you can SEE the roof is wrong. William didn’t see how his answers were wrong because the teacher didn’t give him a list or pictures or anything like that to show him. It might’ve been wrong but if William doesn’t understand how it was wrong and still thinks his answers were right, maybe it’s best to SHOW him and not TELL him.
@@JuneCreat.r that sounds more like the students problem, not the teacher’s. The parents could always email the professor if that were the case and they would probably receive the same answer.
Well, most people. I'm not. I think the student is entirely in the right as the student is allowed to be upset about having a bad grade. They're the ones actually affected by it, not the teacher. The teacher was unaccommodating and closed off. The teacher replied to the student it's request for their test to be reevaluated as a personal attack on them. Instead of teaching them what they actually did wrong, they immediately went to I'm right and your wrong. A person who was actually teaching, and not taking every email personally, would have at least showed why the questions were wrong. The student was in the right for getting upset at the fact the teacher did not want to do their job in teaching them what they did wrong
@@catst9927the teacher offered to sit with the student and go through it. The teacher also double checked the test when the students still had doubts. It was the student who wouldn't accept that maybe they're not as good at the subject as they thought and lashed out.
Maybe if Mr Silver showed him where he went wdong, then maybe William would get it. Hell, maybe before the break, pull him aside and tell him "hey, you're not doing good in my class but don't worry, I can give you something to do for extra credit"
Extra credit isn’t gonna help a 48%. If the student was being honest and truly gave 110% effort, then he simply did not have the potential to pass the class. It’s unfortunate, but it’s a truth in life - just because you put in effort, doesn’t mean you’ll automatically be successful That being said, it would definitely appear as though the student has an external locus of control, and is blaming the professor. Would not doubt if it was a semester long thing given the professor’s response. The professor would be doing the student a disservice by just passing them to be done with them. If the student truly did everything he could, then he should consider a different major. If the student isn’t being honest to the professor or, more likely, himself, he should consider retaking the class to truly get something out of it. There’s no shame in retaking a class but it won’t be worth anything if the student goes in with a poor mindset
@@zentazym1it’s amazing what can happen when you see the teacher and review your work over time. If this kid bothered to talk to the professor prior to the final he may have tried to reach to the student before posting the final grades.
@@Cooperace44 Exactly - over time are key words there. Suddenly caring just before the final or doing a 20 hour cram session (just going by what was said in the video and extrapolating) isn’t going to make up for a semester’s worth of negligence, and it’s not proving anything to your professor. A 48 doesn’t just come out of nowhere and it’s highly unlikely the student only did bad on the final. If anything it sounds like they weren’t doing good and the final was their chance to turn it around, and they just couldn’t pull it off
Mr. Silver asked William to see him when next available. That would've been when they could go over what William did wrong. William couldn't accept that he did anything wrong and started insulting Mr. Silver.
@@zentazym1 But in the video, William himself says he’s been present and doing all the hw and assignments on time with little issue. If the teacher sees that William is doing the assignments poorly, then he should pull him aside and correct mistakes before finals and not wait until finals grade to finally give him a poor grade if he aas already aware of the fact that William was doing poorly despite his efforts. So either one of two things: One, William is lying which is highly doubtful or Two, the profesor doesn’t care about his students and this transferred over to his grading methods. Either way, the profesor had the foresight to see this grade coming and didnt adequately prepare one of his students for it which is a failure on part of the teacher
This is what happens when a teacher isn’t afraid to hold a kid back for not meeting the minimum. I’ve actually seen with my own eyes in a conversation I probably shouldn’t have witnessed my English teacher get passive aggressively threatened to find a way to pass the numerous students that didn’t turn in the or assignments. Like a third of the class was going to fail due to not meeting deadlines… no one was held back at all
Why would you take it to court? Your still gonna fail plus he changed it be William was disrespectful by saying shit and calling the teacher a bad grader
@@Joeydoestuff Exactly. For all we know, the few percentage points Mr. Silver took off were "grace points," like getting points for signing your name or showing your work even when the answer is wrong.
TL;DR at end. Both are terrible. Lack of communication from the teacher (could've pointed out mistakes) Lack of self control from William throughout (mad the whole time). Lack of self control from the teacher at the end (pettily changed a grade). Use of manipulative tactics from William (guilt tripping with parents and effort). Both are at fault here, but I would say that as William instigated this which caused a response from the teacher, William would be more at fault. Reasoning for this is that in a car crash causing multiple accidents in a row, only the first crash is used to see who was at fault, as the first crash likely lead to the following crashes. In a legal case, depending on the syllabus, the teacher could definitely be charged too. This is because breaking syllabus is akin to breaking contract, and is thus grounds for legal action. TL;DR: both bad, I think William worse, but I understand if you think teacher worse.
@@snaukball8764 ick, therapy speech is wonderful to use whenever you want to make something seem secretly manipulative. Was he guilt tripping, or was he legitimately freaking out and just saying his true thoughts/fears to his teacher? We can't really know, and I wonder if your brain jumped to calling it guilt tripping or gaslighting because you were already on the teacher's side. Not to say that you are wrong! Just that it's best to be careful about preconceived notions. Personally, I'm low-key afraid of people who have power over me, so I'm both shocked that the student would be that rude to the teacher, and horrified by the teacher's misuse of power in changing the grade. That led me *personally* to consider the student's comments to be an emotional outburst, since no conniving person in their right mind would act like that towards a teacher who could punish them for it. TLDR: Careful of preconceived notions when assuming intents behind actions. We all have them!
@@kspoo10_ no, I just said guilt tripping because saying it automatically makes the teacher feel guilty about it, it didn't feel informative in any way, rather just "give me this or this will happen." In any case, I was initially on the teacher's side, as he was more rational, at least until the end.
I regularly went to argue with the teacher about my tests. I was a stubborn kid with good knowledge and he was a kind of teacher who will grade you exactly so high as good you worked that time. I'm talking about legal part, which is still big. But we always had conflict about "choose all wrong options" type of question. There's always 1 or 2 wrong options and the answer "all answers are correct". Obviously we shouldn't choose the "everything correct" option, but technically it still should be chosen
No he was not, both were wrong. He shouldn’t have lashed out at the teacher for simply doing their job and the teacher shouldn’t have changed his grade
@@TerranceChow-og8ckOkay yeah, but which is worse, being rude or doing something illegal? Take a second to think about it if you need to and then figure out who was more wrong.
I mean it seems allowed to me, a student acting good in every class can get given bonus points and a student misbehaving (like insulting a teacher) could get points taken away. Obviously it can’t be extreme and must be done fairly but it likely is not an issue, plus 48% to 44% isnt going to change anything if he is failing anyway
The student is in the wrong for sure (aside from the teacher making the grade lower, wtf) but I don't understand why the students seemingly didn't get their tests back with corrections. I get it's a final but even so, how are the students supposed to know which areas to study harder on if they don't know what things they did wrong?
It was a final… there is nothing to study harder for, but I have never had a class where we didn’t get to see our final to ensure everything was graded properly and fairly
@billyharris2794 yeah but you don't learn from a test. that's why it's called a test. you learn from the content that is taught. lectures, literature, videos, doing, that is how you learn.
The student was in the wrong for not being able to accept that they did bad on the test. It’s understandable that they wouldn’t understand why and would be upset after all of their work, but they should’ve accepted their score after their teacher told them that they had checked his grade again. However, the teacher could’ve given them the test questions and their answers to those questions and let the student self-grade their assignment, but the student is still in the wrong.
"I have spent 10000 euro on this car, and it works absolutely perfectly, but I crashed it because I went drunk driving! I want my money back!" - William, probably
William was wrong but the professor was extremely unprofessional by knowing his grade like that. William shouldn’t have lashed out but the professor can’t just lower someone’s grade as a punishment, and they should be more understanding of how stressed William is since this is a huge deal. Also I don’t know why they didn’t just go over the test, unless they were going to go over it over winter break.
@@gabbycraft7035idk what teachers y'all have but my schools teacher can absolutely change your grade due to your attitude the professor wasn't being unprofessional he was being respectful and patient and doubled checked is that called being unprofessional?? Then the student when ape shit? I'm lowering his score too for wasting my time like 💀
The kid is very entitled and disrespectful, but as a teacher the first thing you do when a student doesn't understand their scoring is to just show the corrections you made
@@lotusleaf1365maybe, when he went through the test, he found some answers that had been marked as correct but were actually incorrect, or an answer was vague enough to be correct or incorrect but had been marked correct to give William the benefit of the doubt. But due to William's attitude, the benefit of the doubt was removed.
@@lisahenry20 going legally, there shouldn't be any "benefit of the doubt" to begin with unless the answer truly leaned more to the correct side. And assuming that benefit of the doubt was given anyways, also legally, it shouldn't of been double backed on and changed due to attitude, that's illegally changing state tests, which are used to determine if a student is proficient in what that test was about. These tests proceed to determine if they can go to the next grade, if the next grade gets them into college, if that college gets them a good paying job they'd need that info in, and so on and so forth. Changing grades that are based around smarts due to an attitude issue is the same as saying, well, I'm smart but indecisive under pressure, so I may as well be stupid in your eyes
@@Carl-qh9jp and your proof? Tests/Quiz's etc are what the state uses to determine what you're good at, and what you're best use would be. Jobs use this to determine if they want to higher you, colleges as well. If a teacher is lying and changing your grade, that changes EVERYTHING
Based on the fact that the professor both failed to provide the reasons why William was incorrect (didn't show him the grading rubric or process) and he changed the grade illegally so quickly, I think William is right and is probably also right to get angry because he may have studied so hard hearing the professor had a reputation for strict grading and still suffered from it.
@@TerranceChow-og8ck You have the right to challenge your test grade. Finals can be life changing and if you put money into it, you should see why William lashed out. The professor was highly unprofessional in this situation and should have explained why he got the grade he did. It is illegal to change someone’s grade as a form of discipline, which the professor did. William was just concerned about his future and was nervous, most likely his mind isn’t fully grown yet.
He wasn’t “just doing his job” he also committed a crime and he failed as a professor by not explaining it. Don’t say my point isn’t valid because the teacher might have gotten his feelings hurt, he is a grown man, William isn’t. If the professor got his feelings hurt because of something one of his students said, he shouldn’t be teaching kids.
Illegal? Get over yourself. Please, in William's case, it was well deserved. Swearing at a teacher and acting disrespectful deserves consequences. And second of all, 48% or 44% doesn't matter. Once anyone is THAT low, doesn't it even make a difference? An F is an F. Williams should've kept his cool and studied better.
@@therealbonduckfrwith the challenge also comes a grade change. The professor probably found the 44 during the re-grade and decided to not replace the grade until William’s final email.
William is in the wrong. You get graded for participation AND the work. Just because stuff is turned in and done on time doesn’t mean you get a perfect 100%.
William was right, clearly the teacher has a habit of changing grades out of spite so that must have been what happened to make his score low to begin with.
Honestly, neither but what I would say is the student couldn't just requested to overview their test with the teacher so that they could discuss in person with the test there. The issues and the incorrect answers to try and figure out where things went wrong.
You can challenge but you have to take the re-graded score lower or higher. What is the supposed grade? The 44 regrade or the original 48 the student wanted regraded?
Except that the student didn't stop at challenging their test score and the teacher didn't give the student a lower score than it was supposed to be. The teacher went over the test, found that the student actually did worse than originally thought. In such a situation, teachers generally are allowed to decide whether they want to let the student keep the higher score, or update the grade to reflect the lower, more accurate score. The teacher initially chose the former, but when the student refused to accept this and became blatantly rude, the teacher instead updated their grade according to their performance, which is both something the teacher is very much allowed to do and something which was absolutely deserved. The student got angry when their challenge didn't get the results they wanted. The teacher reacted accordingly, in a way they are entirely allowed to do.
@@Missingno_Miner Except that literally did not happen. The teacher said "... but considering you are being disrespectful and taking advantage of my time, I have changed your test score from 48% to 44%." Literally nothing about finding the student doing worse than they thought, they changed it because of disrespect. Which isn't a reason to change someones grade.
@@just_izayah4532 The teacher previously stated that they double checked the student's answers and found more incorrect answers. Reading comprehension is hard. The disrespect was their motivation for changing it, but they were well within their rights to do so.
William is in the right, I believe strongly that teachers should be held responsible and make their courses to a high standard if this student did everything he was told to do and even more ( the studying before the test) then he should not be given a bad grade it is my belief that if the student who does everything right does not score well it’s the teachers fault, people need to adapt and this is something the teacher did not do. This is just not a acceptable way for the teacher to act when the teachers coarse did not react then student well enough
Even if it’s the teachers fault, William started getting upset at the teacher for doing his job, the teacher definitely does not get paid enough to deal with him
@@jopkwoa9404I do personally believe that William should be punished for his use of vulgar words in his response but that should be different from lowering his grade.
@@strawberrycowxoan email explaining everything he did wrong would have wasted so much of his time, it would have been better to see him in person and explain. The student didn't even show interest in that though.
@@petagriffin6608 It’s illegal to change a grade like that. It wasn’t on participation, he said it was because he was being disrespectful. Which is illegal to do
What if the teacher was already boosting their grade. Like if they actually scored a 22% and the teacher was like “damn… this kid is helluh dumb. They fail no matter what maybe i can make their failure a lil less”
bro the desperation of trying to please your parents and teachers making doing that difficult for you is the worst feeling. And then you end up annoyed with both.
I had an English teacher who didn’t know anything past Primary School English. They needed another Teacher so they took a PE Teacher and made him in charge of English classes. He gave me really poor grades because I was “Writing my sentences all wrong”. I cried one time, seeing a 43% on my project. My mom saw this happening and asked me why her child, a bilingual, had such bad grades. When I explained and gave her the project to review, she was fuming. She called the School and threatened them to go over and teach the Teacher some REAL English. Next thing you know, someone else was grading my projects, exams and homework. (I had a 97% on the project, btw)
When the student lashed out and said “this stupid class” I think that showed that they didn’t pour their heart and soul into the test and didn’t spend 20 hours studying
Or it was 20 hours of cramming a couple of days before the test. Tbh, I'm generally suspicious when someone can say how long they studied for. If I'm studying for something properly, I'm studying in small chunks way in advance of a test and I can't remember how many chunks and how long they were, so I have no idea how much studying I did. I don't look at it in hours, I look at it in how much of the content I've covered. If I'm completely unprepared, I know how long I've studied because I've had to split the content I need to study across the time that I have until the test (eg if there are 4 topics and I have 20 hours of available study time, that's 5 hours a topic). But I'm also terrible at sticking to timetables that I create. Someone else gives me one? I can stick to it easily. I make my own? No chance.
This comment section is literally just kids who hate teachers for being teachers. -Be upset about grade. -Teacher offers some support outside of school. -Student says double check. -Teacher double checks and it’s still wrong. -Student starts swearing and insulting the teacher. -Teacher makes them lose points for poor behaviour. And some of you are saying that the teacher’s in the wrong??
As a former Student council member, William was fucking dumb for agitating the one guy who is responsible for his grade. In my country we do have a grade based on your mannerism: skipping class, school violation, and class disturbance influence said grade. BUT that only applies to activities inside the school. Personal matters between student and teacher is strictly forbidden to influence student's grade, attention at class and opportunities under curriculum. Mr silver is the one who is wrong by rule, but William might get called to the counselor's office for this.
them changing the grade for personal feelings shows the orginal grade was probably made on personal feelings just sounds like the kind of teacher who those who bother him the least pass super easily while if you ask to many questions you fail
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"Did you forgot to add in the curve?"
"Oh yeah, my bad."
*curved his grade from 48% to 44%
OH NAH 💀💀💀
"Hey Thats not right-"
Sorry but what’s a grading curve? I’m from the uk
@@Mad_Scot it's a score adjustment. If the class average is especially bad, you can curve the grade to make more students pass, so some will have higher grades and some lower.
@@sylvester2395ah we do that here in the UK at secondary level but I’m not sure if they do that at university.
Considering the teacher changed his grade because William confronted him im guessing the grading was wrong in the first place
The teacher didn’t change William’s grade until he said “this is the dumbest shit ever. You must be a bad grader…” It’s still wrong, but William did overreact
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@@dominustin5926this demonstrates that the teacher lowers the grades of students they don’t like.
@@justanaverageviewer8142no it demonstrates what happens when you don’t control your self
@@Dmx80079 it demonstrates both. A teacher cannot change your grade because of an attitude.
Protip. You can wait out in the parking lot for your professors.
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my teachers used to say "you guys can go fight... in x amount of minutes adding up to when school is out in the parking lot across the street" lol
@@pachimariemy teacher would say to students that they can meet him in the (other school)”s parking lot to fight 😂
Kid really said “ I am Jose Mourinho”
Protip: you can get arrested for that and expelled
William is in the wrong but teachers cant change your grade because you were disrespectful
Even though it shouldnt be. In alot of schools respect and behavior do play into grading, even test and assignments. It's weird
And can be sued for it ❤
@@Somedude3549that's illegal and you can fight them on that.
My teacher took a merit from me for no reason, so I sent her a semi-rude email about it. (Keep in mind I am a #1 student and up until this point I only got merits taken from ZZZ ONCE in my WHOLE LIFE) She was (rightfully) mad about it but gave me back the merit (untook it) BUT then she took another one because of my rude email. Before I saw she took another point I emailed her back saying I was sorry for my tone and I just wanted the point back because it should not have been taken. She never responded… it’s her job to respond, right?
PS, this just came to me but it’s substantial: It was one of those “A small bit of the class was bad so you’re all punished” type things. Her ONLY defense is she was going to tell us about it during her class. I sent her the email at 8:10 AM, her class is 1:30 PM. THIS IS 10th grade ma’am I thought we were better than this.
So that’s my vent
william was wrong but that was an illegal move by the professor straight to court
@@ww6372a grade is permanent. There is future damage that could result from this. For example a college/employer might look at this test results and reject him because it’s too low.
@@ww6372the lack of damages doesn’t change the fact that it’s illegal lower academic marks can’t be used as a disciplinary measure
@@mikeharrison6039How hard is it to understand that he changed it because he realized there were a few more errors in the exam he didn't notice?
@@El_Asado but that’s not what he said
@@ww6372 there are federal court rulings Particularly Smith V School City of Hobart that prove my point
William is wrong but the professor did something ILLEGAL
How so?
Show me the law
@@carrot7590 Edit: so for anyone saying that it isn't, are you implying that a teacher can legally change a random grade to 0 whenever they want? If not, why not?
the syllabus can be considered a binding contract. If there wasn't a grade of respect, then what the teacher did was illegal
@@bluue05 the teacher changed the grade without any reasons. Is that too hard?
@@2Tooth4uthat ain't illegal
This entire situation could have been prevented if the teacher went: I had just gone over your work again and this is why you didn't get a higher mark
- lists all errors and incorrect answers
Edit: I'm tired of replying to these with the exact same responses half the time. It's common sense. Treat someone like a dick they'll be a dick back. Even if they're in the wrong you still need to show respect and there's always an easier way to settle things than escalating it with stupidity and arrogance
Also I'm not insinuating they just HAND answers to them. I'm saying that they need to go through what was wrong in the first place. Could be a wrong formula, lack of shown work, or just wrong answers. He did offer to go through it with the kid but he could have also done it from home. And no, he's not going to write half an exams worth of answers if you can summarise what he did wrong in simple dot points (like "in this section you used the wrong formula, this section blah blah blah" it's not that long
Seriously half you comments are just saying that over and over, and it really shows the lack of common sense you guys have you just like complaining. So there I've answered your questions for you.
The end
Yeah. Instead of being brief about it, try and help the student understand how and where they went wrong.
You’re blaming the teacher for this shithead? Student needs to grow the fuck up. Teacher was professional, and was courteous enough to double check. The student absolutely deserved that fail after these emails.
Yes, so they learn.
And why would he do that? The class is over, there nothing to study for. William would be getting the test back eventually and see for himself, the teacher has already checked and seen that he William failed so why would he take the time to show him something that he’ll see eventually. Teachers have a shit ton of students do you expect him to write out each and every question each and every student got wrong, write down their answers then write down the correct ones, go through their past test to try and show any and every reason as to why they’d answer incorrectly?
Lol naw bro
William fucked up and that’s just how it be, and he already failed I honestly doubt anyone ganna go “the profesor sabotaged his student by changing his bottom tier F into a slightly lower F” this isn’t some elementary schooler their in college and throwing a hissy fit cause he probably didn’t check his answers isn’t a reason to waste someone’s time
unless he didn't do that bc he hates the student and wanted to see him fail, both are in the wrong tho
Changing a grade because you got your feelings hurt is a lawsuit waiting to happen
A lawsuit 💀 you’re clearly delusional because we don’t know what the school’s policy is for this. Some schools do allow this sort of thing and that includes the school I go to. “Lawsuit” for what harassment?
Are you dumb?
@@hountybunter1 Well for one biased grading based off how much you like someone is wrong and detrimental to the student you're supposed to be providing a education to. The grading is supposed to represent how well the student retains their lessons.
Being a proper teacher doing their job, and doing whatever this teacher was doing, is two very different things.
that’s harassmentbro
He’s allowed to do that if they don’t work at a public school and he had a valid crahsout as him lowering his grade didn’t cause anything different the guy was still going to fail
"Could I please stop by your office so I can look over my test and learn what I did wrong?"
The teacher offered to meet up. The student wouldn't accept that and insisted the grade was wrong.
@brigidtheirish because when the prof wanted to meet the grade could no longer be changed.
@@Afatgrandma You don't know that. Even if it couldn't be changed, the kid might learn something for next time.
@@Afatgrandmanot true in a university the professor have 2 years to change a grade. The next semester is easy to get a professor to change your grade it happens all the time but after that you have to have a good reason and they have to write a report why they changing the grade for record so most teacher only do it for extreme cases
The teacher could of showed where he gone wrong so he would understand why he got a low mark.
Could have* where he went*
I think you need a teacher my man.
The professor offered a face to face meeting during winter term, saying the student was more than welcome to come in and discuss. The student turned it down
@@katelyntaylor7384 while i do think the student was a bit of a jerk, for all we could assume the student might not of been able to come in for that time. I had a teacher who MOST CERTAINLY knew i was never available before or after school due to tje fact my parents were busy, i know she knows this because she has to carpool me to HER school club. She gave me a paper, never explained what to do, and i did my best but failed. She told me word for word "You can come in only before or after school to fix this grade, and i can not pick you up for this, otherwise it is a zero" then fought with me when i told her i couldn't do that
Maybe he already did on the assignments and the student never reviewed the returned assignments.
William lost his shit for no reason he’s in the wrong definitely 💀
I swear if your not kidding-
@@HedgeHogFudgeI am joking lol.
@@AkaSwvythank god, before i read the comment i liked it and then i read it and disliked it then i saw ur reply and reliked it 😂
@Heisenbergfammnah😂
Sounds like William has skill issue but idk
Who is in the right?
Nobody. None of these people are in the right. The student was rude, and the instructor had no right to change the grade after the final posting due to behavior that occurred after the semester was over. Sounds like the students' parents may also not have a great way of handling things. Reddit even has an acronym for this- ESH "everyone sucks here"
The professor does have that right lmao
@@josephg.1.130no he doesn't. Unless it is in the syllabus that "hey, if I dont like you, I can change your grade whenever I want- even when your not even enrolled"
And even then- that last part isnt legally possible either
@@The_Jerkinator yes he does, this happens everyday bro 💀
@@josephg.1.130 um. Take it from an actual uni student- no, this does not happen everyday bc it IS actually illegal.
Think of it like a job
People have jobs to get pay and benefits. So.... yes, you can legally get payed for hours you work. But you cannot get payed for hours you didn't work. Your boss also cannot legally tale away your money after you have been fired from or quite the job. Why? Because it isn't the bosses problem now. You dont work under them. And even if you did they still couldn't take away money you already had bc of a personal grudge
Professors cannot dip down your grade bc of "attitude". Grades are emotionless and bias-less. They are for performance in academic fields ONLY. NOT for personal feelings.
@@The_Jerkinator you act like you being a uni student matters, i literally see this all the time you arent going to convince me that im not seeing what im not seeing 💀
If I were the teacher I would’ve said the only miscalculations regarding the test is when he answered the questions.
If you were the teacher you should’ve sent a picture.
@@JuneCreat.ror tell the student either come by the office in two weeks or suck it up.
@@Cooperace44 nah. Teach should do better if he actually cares about his job. If he had time to look it over TWICE, he can send pictures
@@JuneCreat.r or the material isn’t allowed to be disseminated outside the classroom and in-person is the only way to show the test.
Your answer is the most sound, finals can't be disseminated. @Cooperace44
if he was willing to change his grade simply because he was mad at him then his original 48% was most likely a biased grade too
Yall weird fr like that 4 percent isnt changing shit, yall treat william like a messiah. Whether it was illegal or not isn't the issue, william is getting off on "being a little mad🥺" also reporting a false grade is also illegal
@@heyguy- "whether it was illegal or not isn't the issue" 💀 are you suggesting your feelings being hurt goes above legality? sounds sensitive af ngl.
@@chaoticcow4357 my apologies a different comment sums up my thoughts, they are both in the wrong. Also my point that William gets to be mad at a teacher that will forget about him in 3 years is what I'm highlighting, again my apologies I'm not trying to say that the literal crime isn't important but William's attitude shouldn't just be ignored
@@heyguy- Ah alright, although I dont think the cursing was necessary his frusteration was 100% appropriate, the teacher refused to show William what he had done wrong, which for any student that just took a life altering final, would REALLY, REALLY need. The teacher was acting subpar not only in handling of the situation but also yknow.. did an actual crime.
@@chaoticcow4357 I agree but I believe (and might be wrong) but unless the student asks a teacher might not need to give back a final although it can vary and I could be wrong
I'm not great with deciding who's in the right (as I'm usually too biased) but no teacher should ever change the test grade for something like that
Usually when there’s a re-grade the professor can take either the highest of the 3, give the average, or go with the final re-grade. The student asked for a regrade and the professor obliged and probably realized he gave William points for things that weren’t points or the like. The disrespect probably made him decide to apply the re-grade.
The teacher didn’t even exactly say what he did wrong and up until the point the teacher was saying there’s nothing else to do, then the student got mad and in my opinion reasonably so.
He got the test wrong
You don't lash out at someone for your mistake. I agree that the teacher should have said what was wrong but lashing out at people that have nothing to do with people's failure is purely idiotic
@@Somedude3549he didn't make one. He has literally no idea what he did wrong and is getting vague feedback from an asshole who probably graded wrong. If I studied 20+ hours for a test snd when I fail I get treated like a bitch I would be pissed too.
@@Somedude3549Remember this may include monetary payment as well. Dude may have taken out loans to attend school and if it was a prerequisite class to another class in that major he may be delayed by another 6 months to a year and have to pay for that time he will have to repeat.
I believe it's perfectly valid to get angry when professors can get away with doing the bare minimum in their teaching when it's priced so highly when they don't bare the consequences of those failures because remember they are supposed to be teaching and should make sure they do their best to teach their paying customers (i.e. students)
@@Barrel4336 yea you got a point
Take it up with the principle at that point, that teacher needs to get checked over
William is definitely in the right.
In my college experience, nobody fights professors harder than the ones with failing grades. A lot of them act like they did "so much" in class when in fact, they didn't. Something isnt adding up here.
Teacher: “There will be no curves thats that.”
Also teacher: “I changed your grade form 48% to 44% just cuz I dont like your vibe :)”
William was definitely in the wrong but I can see why he might have acted that way. Definitely doesn’t make it right, but when you put your heart and soul into a class and end up with a FAIL it’s extremely frustrating and anxiety provoking.
A better way to go about this is to ask for the corrected work and try to see what the disparity is. I don’t see why William’s parents would be upset if they knew how hard he studied. But also if he really did put in that work then how is it that he got a 48%? Things don’t add up
His family could come from a low income background and put a lot of emphasis on academic success purely because of the cost.
He'll now have to repeat that class and pay for it again, which can create a general amount of frustration for him and his family because him trying hard doesn't change the financial impact/circumstance
@@Barrel4336So the teacher should have let him pass because he is poor?
@laerramarie2620 nothing he said implied that. He was simply giving a possible reason why the parents might be upset despite the student putting effort in, because the commenter didn't understand why that would be the case.
I guess it could be that he was stressed or the teacher graded harder than usual or something. It’s possible the test was graded unfairly so I assume that’s what the meeting the professor was talking about would go over?
@@laerramarie2620 the teacher should’ve sent a list as to why he did wrong and sent pictures as proof instead of just saying “well I graded it and I’m not wrong” like wtf is that good for?
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Why didn’t the student get his test back with corrections?
It was probably over summer or winter break
Depends on the professors and schools, some have policies to never share finals so that they can't be used for potential cheating next year
Most professors don’t give finals back so the next years students can’t cheat by looking at the previous years tests
I never get finals back 🤷♀️
Ikr
The student was in the wrong for saying what he did but the teacher was in the wrong for the change in grade
Why are there so many people saying that the professor changing the grade was illegal? Maybe for high school, but it seemed like this was college to me, and it's 100% allowed there
Because "I don't like that" isn't strong enough to express their displeasure, and if they say it often enough, it MIGHT JUST come true!
Or at least, that's what I'm assuming the delusion is.
William was at the start but the last one proved that there was something personal going on as such both where wrong
“I’m gonna change your grade from 48% to 44%”
Me asf: “I’ll see you in court”
You have no grounds. Your grade makes no difference at that point, both cases is a failure of the class.
@@necromancer6405 You do have grounds. "According to the Family Educational Rights and Privacy Act (FERPA), it is illegal for teachers to release students’ grades without their consent. Additionally, altering grades without proper authorization can be seen as a violation of educational policies and can lead to disciplinary actions, including termination of employment. In some cases, it might even involve legal charges if the fraud is significant and involves falsifying records."
You can't just change the grade out of spite💀
He was being disrespectful it's not out of spite idk what teachers y'all have but the teachers at my school can absolutely change your grade due to your attitude maybe Willam should have thought about that before cursing the teacher but idk just my opinion :P
Spite?
Hmm... You think that a punishment for being disrespectful is spite?
What are you? 7?
I agree that he was being very disrespectful. But his grade doesn't have anything to do with his people skills, it's about his knowledge on the class. I don't know, I guess I have a weird way of looking at it. You are probably right
Yes u can. That’s y teachers give participation grades.
Also it’s not out of spite. It’s cuz the student was disrespectful..
On the bright side that teacher just changed his grade for retaliation, which could get him fired at the very least and at the very most could result in a lawsuit.
"Retaliation"
Funny way to say "punishment for being disrespectful and insulting and wasting the time of a staff member".
Let me guess, you think that if someone is sent to jail for murder, that's also retaliation, right?
The teacher really broke the law to discipline him lmao
William was in the wrong, but it is illegal to change a student's grade all because they were being disrespectful. I'm on William's side for this one. AMA
Idk what teachers you have but my schools teacher can absolutely change your grade due to your attitude and god forbid you swear at them Willam got a low score and him not getting how he got a low score doesn't change the fact it's still a low score the teacher was patient and respectful and even doubled checked it and then he goes ape shit on him? He got what he deserved
"It is illegal"
You got a source for that one?
@@Carl-qh9jp No, they can't. "According to the Family Educational Rights and Privacy Act (FERPA), it is illegal for teachers to release students’ grades without their consent. Additionally, altering grades without proper authorization can be seen as a violation of educational policies and can lead to disciplinary actions, including termination of employment. In some cases, it might even involve legal charges if the fraud is significant and involves falsifying records."
@@lyntonfleming My source is FERPA. "According to the Family Educational Rights and Privacy Act (FERPA), it is illegal for teachers to release students’ grades without their consent. Additionally, altering grades without proper authorization can be seen as a violation of educational policies and can lead to disciplinary actions, including termination of employment. In some cases, it might even involve legal charges if the fraud is significant and involves falsifying records."
The students only mistake was not continuing to be respectful and then promptly going over the professor's head. If the scores are really wrong that's great but every teacher I've ever had will tell you why you got it wrong. Especially continuing to argue over email he should have just went in person
And the teacher offered to see the student in person. There's no way he could've gone over all the mistakes through email. Wouldn't have been helpful for learning, anyway, because he doesn't necessarily know what part of each problem the student didn't understand.
Hot take here but with how the teacher was quick on changing the grade up once william got rude (which is illegal btw), i'm starting to think that mayne william was right and the teacher might have graded him wrongly from the start, in which case william would have every right to be pissed
Edit: jesus people, learn how to read, most of you guys have completely missed my point. I said that if the teacher was willing to change the grade just because william was rude, which THEY DID in the video, then it's also very likely that they lowered his grade FROM THE START and did it MORE in here during the video, as a good teacher that didn't do anything wrong would not do something like this
But even in that case the teacher didn't do anything wrong initially, William started escalated because he is a failure and can't cope and the teacher escalated further and broke the law by changing his grade
Doesn't really matter in the eyes of the law.@@lepermessiah66b
@@lepermessiah66bA teacher cannot report a false grade, they can substitute grades. but lowering one like this is either against contract or against the law in general
@@lepermessiah66b "even in that case they didn't do anything wrong"???? Bruh read my comment again i think you might have misread some stuff cuz if what i said was right hypothetically then the teacher was def in the wrong from the start
@@lvl30dragonthen maybe half of my teachers should be sued, who knows. I highly doubt it's illegal, nobody I've seen saying it's illegal has ever showed me the law saying it is
Wiliam was wrong as first, but then the teacher went LOW LOW for lowering his grade, as thats ILLEGALL..
Student was out of line but you can't change his score
The student was definitely in the wrong for being disrespectful but the professor is even more and the wrong for blatantly abuseing their power. If the proff really feels the need to grade students on things like respect then they can add a professionalism category to the grade book but this needs to be done ahead of time and for every student.
When I was in high school, my mom gave me a really good analogy that I still use to this day. I hired someone to come put a roof on my house, and they were so sweet. They tried so hard and really did their best to do it correctly, but they ended up putting my roof on wrong. They still put the roof on wrong. Just because I could tell they tried really hard doesn't change the fact that the roof isn't on correctly. If I were a teacher and you did poorly in a test, you did poorly on a test. Now if I had noticed you working hard maybe we could do some extra credit or corrections, like this (totally real) teacher did for (totally real) William.
But you can SEE the roof is wrong. William didn’t see how his answers were wrong because the teacher didn’t give him a list or pictures or anything like that to show him. It might’ve been wrong but if William doesn’t understand how it was wrong and still thinks his answers were right, maybe it’s best to SHOW him and not TELL him.
@@JuneCreat.rwell he can come in during the winter session in 2 weeks and see. 👀
@@Cooperace44 parents don’t want to wait 2 weeks to see a test. If the teacher had time to look it over TWICE, he had time to send pics.
@@JuneCreat.r that sounds more like the students problem, not the teacher’s. The parents could always email the professor if that were the case and they would probably receive the same answer.
@@Cooperace44 the same answer of “meet me because I’m too lazy to type more than 5 sentences”
Everyone saying william is overreacting live with merciful parents
Well, most people. I'm not. I think the student is entirely in the right as the student is allowed to be upset about having a bad grade. They're the ones actually affected by it, not the teacher. The teacher was unaccommodating and closed off. The teacher replied to the student it's request for their test to be reevaluated as a personal attack on them. Instead of teaching them what they actually did wrong, they immediately went to I'm right and your wrong. A person who was actually teaching, and not taking every email personally, would have at least showed why the questions were wrong. The student was in the right for getting upset at the fact the teacher did not want to do their job in teaching them what they did wrong
@@catst9927the teacher offered to sit with the student and go through it. The teacher also double checked the test when the students still had doubts. It was the student who wouldn't accept that maybe they're not as good at the subject as they thought and lashed out.
@@lisahenry20 yeah exactly, it's like some people didn't even watch the video
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Teacher just gave that man a free retake of the class and a safe gpa
Maybe if Mr Silver showed him where he went wdong, then maybe William would get it. Hell, maybe before the break, pull him aside and tell him "hey, you're not doing good in my class but don't worry, I can give you something to do for extra credit"
Extra credit isn’t gonna help a 48%. If the student was being honest and truly gave 110% effort, then he simply did not have the potential to pass the class. It’s unfortunate, but it’s a truth in life - just because you put in effort, doesn’t mean you’ll automatically be successful
That being said, it would definitely appear as though the student has an external locus of control, and is blaming the professor. Would not doubt if it was a semester long thing given the professor’s response. The professor would be doing the student a disservice by just passing them to be done with them. If the student truly did everything he could, then he should consider a different major. If the student isn’t being honest to the professor or, more likely, himself, he should consider retaking the class to truly get something out of it. There’s no shame in retaking a class but it won’t be worth anything if the student goes in with a poor mindset
@@zentazym1it’s amazing what can happen when you see the teacher and review your work over time. If this kid bothered to talk to the professor prior to the final he may have tried to reach to the student before posting the final grades.
@@Cooperace44 Exactly - over time are key words there. Suddenly caring just before the final or doing a 20 hour cram session (just going by what was said in the video and extrapolating) isn’t going to make up for a semester’s worth of negligence, and it’s not proving anything to your professor. A 48 doesn’t just come out of nowhere and it’s highly unlikely the student only did bad on the final. If anything it sounds like they weren’t doing good and the final was their chance to turn it around, and they just couldn’t pull it off
Mr. Silver asked William to see him when next available. That would've been when they could go over what William did wrong. William couldn't accept that he did anything wrong and started insulting Mr. Silver.
@@zentazym1
But in the video, William himself says he’s been present and doing all the hw and assignments on time with little issue. If the teacher sees that William is doing the assignments poorly, then he should pull him aside and correct mistakes before finals and not wait until finals grade to finally give him a poor grade if he aas already aware of the fact that William was doing poorly despite his efforts. So either one of two things: One, William is lying which is highly doubtful or Two, the profesor doesn’t care about his students and this transferred over to his grading methods. Either way, the profesor had the foresight to see this grade coming and didnt adequately prepare one of his students for it which is a failure on part of the teacher
William shouldve asked to see the test so he would know what he got wrong
He was offered that.
He empathically declined and doubled down.
@@lyntonfleming he was offered to see the teacher, it was unclear if he would get to look at the test
You can’t change a grade because a student pissed you off 🤣
no but you can double check the test and if the student actually did worse than original and they piss you off, you can correct.
This is what happens when a teacher isn’t afraid to hold a kid back for not meeting the minimum. I’ve actually seen with my own eyes in a conversation I probably shouldn’t have witnessed my English teacher get passive aggressively threatened to find a way to pass the numerous students that didn’t turn in the or assignments. Like a third of the class was going to fail due to not meeting deadlines… no one was held back at all
Notice the student uses some words in caps. That tells you he is lying
Wtf is wrong with William 😂
william was wrong for getting heated but the professor changing his grade for personal reasons is ILLEGAL and that's an immediate court case.
Nah if I got a 48% on a final I pored my soul into, I would be hella mad tbf
Why would you take it to court? Your still gonna fail plus he changed it be William was disrespectful by saying shit and calling the teacher a bad grader
@@Joeydoestuff Exactly. For all we know, the few percentage points Mr. Silver took off were "grace points," like getting points for signing your name or showing your work even when the answer is wrong.
@@brigidtheirish your assuming things with no evidence bruh
@@Joeydoestuff Which is why I said "for all we know." Why are you arguing with someone who's agreeing with you?
TL;DR at end.
Both are terrible.
Lack of communication from the teacher (could've pointed out mistakes)
Lack of self control from William throughout (mad the whole time).
Lack of self control from the teacher at the end (pettily changed a grade).
Use of manipulative tactics from William (guilt tripping with parents and effort).
Both are at fault here, but I would say that as William instigated this which caused a response from the teacher, William would be more at fault. Reasoning for this is that in a car crash causing multiple accidents in a row, only the first crash is used to see who was at fault, as the first crash likely lead to the following crashes.
In a legal case, depending on the syllabus, the teacher could definitely be charged too. This is because breaking syllabus is akin to breaking contract, and is thus grounds for legal action.
TL;DR: both bad, I think William worse, but I understand if you think teacher worse.
That's not what gaslighting is don't misuse that word please
@@C.C.353 oh ye, I'll edit it to guilt tripping
@@snaukball8764 ick, therapy speech is wonderful to use whenever you want to make something seem secretly manipulative.
Was he guilt tripping, or was he legitimately freaking out and just saying his true thoughts/fears to his teacher?
We can't really know, and I wonder if your brain jumped to calling it guilt tripping or gaslighting because you were already on the teacher's side.
Not to say that you are wrong! Just that it's best to be careful about preconceived notions. Personally, I'm low-key afraid of people who have power over me, so I'm both shocked that the student would be that rude to the teacher, and horrified by the teacher's misuse of power in changing the grade. That led me *personally* to consider the student's comments to be an emotional outburst, since no conniving person in their right mind would act like that towards a teacher who could punish them for it.
TLDR: Careful of preconceived notions when assuming intents behind actions. We all have them!
@@kspoo10_ no, I just said guilt tripping because saying it automatically makes the teacher feel guilty about it, it didn't feel informative in any way, rather just "give me this or this will happen."
In any case, I was initially on the teacher's side, as he was more rational, at least until the end.
Y’all are just finding ways to blame the teacher. William was rude and he did shit on the test, the TEACHER offered to talk about the grade in person
I regularly went to argue with the teacher about my tests.
I was a stubborn kid with good knowledge and he was a kind of teacher who will grade you exactly so high as good you worked that time.
I'm talking about legal part, which is still big.
But we always had conflict about "choose all wrong options" type of question. There's always 1 or 2 wrong options and the answer "all answers are correct". Obviously we shouldn't choose the "everything correct" option, but technically it still should be chosen
When two narcissists meet…
I can see why he was stressed, my parents made me live outside for a week cause of a bad exam grade. The student was right fr
That's abuse and I'm so sorry you went through that, I hope it doing better now❤
No he was not, both were wrong. He shouldn’t have lashed out at the teacher for simply doing their job and the teacher shouldn’t have changed his grade
@@TerranceChow-og8ckOkay yeah, but which is worse, being rude or doing something illegal? Take a second to think about it if you need to and then figure out who was more wrong.
@@Olliemaxx1what was wrong with what he said? He said they were both wrong not that the professor was less wrong than the student
@@Olliemaxx1 holy strawman
Lol now that teacher can be reported for purposely changing grades according tos tudent behaviour
You can't be reported for that. Its allowed.
I mean it seems allowed to me, a student acting good in every class can get given bonus points and a student misbehaving (like insulting a teacher) could get points taken away. Obviously it can’t be extreme and must be done fairly but it likely is not an issue, plus 48% to 44% isnt going to change anything if he is failing anyway
@@carrot7590yes you can, under US law lower academic marks can not be used for disciplinary purposes
@@mikeharrison6039No, there is no federal law that states teachers can not lower points from a test due to disrespect. Don't just make up lies.
@@MadameKishaMusic there are federal court rulings Particularly Smith V School City of Hobart that prove my point
Teacher. He had no right to take points due to behavior, though, the behavior from the student wasn't ideal.
No matter how hard you try, you can't fix stupidity
I can't say anything until i see the papers myself.
“Mr. Silver you’ll be receiving letters from my lawyers soon”
"William tf why you taking me to court you still gonna fail anyways 😂"
teachers can’t…change your grade because of a email..
The student is in the wrong for sure (aside from the teacher making the grade lower, wtf) but I don't understand why the students seemingly didn't get their tests back with corrections. I get it's a final but even so, how are the students supposed to know which areas to study harder on if they don't know what things they did wrong?
It was a final… there is nothing to study harder for, but I have never had a class where we didn’t get to see our final to ensure everything was graded properly and fairly
@@ashlinday4469maybe you’ll be using that same content in the future so it is important to see where you went wrong.
@gabbycraft7035 that is the primary reason why they don't give back tests with corrections
@@jaydeattsLook I get taking measures to prevent cheating but can they really not see how completely antithetical that is to actually learning?
@billyharris2794 yeah but you don't learn from a test. that's why it's called a test. you learn from the content that is taught. lectures, literature, videos, doing, that is how you learn.
The student was in the wrong for not being able to accept that they did bad on the test. It’s understandable that they wouldn’t understand why and would be upset after all of their work, but they should’ve accepted their score after their teacher told them that they had checked his grade again. However, the teacher could’ve given them the test questions and their answers to those questions and let the student self-grade their assignment, but the student is still in the wrong.
ChatGPT-aah conversation
How can we judge if we don’t how good his test was in the first place
"I have spent 10000 euro on this car, and it works absolutely perfectly, but I crashed it because I went drunk driving! I want my money back!" - William, probably
William was 100% in the wrong
I disagree (if you want why you can look at my comment)
@@Sir.Pancake- why
@sir.pancake3950 there are 100 other comments here, just say it
William was wrong but the professor was extremely unprofessional by knowing his grade like that. William shouldn’t have lashed out but the professor can’t just lower someone’s grade as a punishment, and they should be more understanding of how stressed William is since this is a huge deal.
Also I don’t know why they didn’t just go over the test, unless they were going to go over it over winter break.
@@gabbycraft7035idk what teachers y'all have but my schools teacher can absolutely change your grade due to your attitude the professor wasn't being unprofessional he was being respectful and patient and doubled checked is that called being unprofessional?? Then the student when ape shit? I'm lowering his score too for wasting my time like 💀
I saw someone else point it out but if that professor isn't sued by that student nobody will be sued for a good reason again.
at first i thought the teacher was in the wrong, then the student just started begging for grades in the most disrespectful way imaginable.
The kid is very entitled and disrespectful, but as a teacher the first thing you do when a student doesn't understand their scoring is to just show the corrections you made
oh yeah since you were disrespectful, all of a sudden, your answer of 4 to the question "2+2" is wrong. bringing your score to 44
He said many of the questions were wrongly answered.
@Trojan-Lambo but he explicitly stated "because you were rude, your grade is now..." So not because of wrong questions, but because of his attitude
@@lotusleaf1365maybe, when he went through the test, he found some answers that had been marked as correct but were actually incorrect, or an answer was vague enough to be correct or incorrect but had been marked correct to give William the benefit of the doubt. But due to William's attitude, the benefit of the doubt was removed.
@@lisahenry20 going legally, there shouldn't be any "benefit of the doubt" to begin with unless the answer truly leaned more to the correct side. And assuming that benefit of the doubt was given anyways, also legally, it shouldn't of been double backed on and changed due to attitude, that's illegally changing state tests, which are used to determine if a student is proficient in what that test was about. These tests proceed to determine if they can go to the next grade, if the next grade gets them into college, if that college gets them a good paying job they'd need that info in, and so on and so forth. Changing grades that are based around smarts due to an attitude issue is the same as saying, well, I'm smart but indecisive under pressure, so I may as well be stupid in your eyes
L teacher
*L student don’t worry I got you
@@jopkwoa9404 Thanks bro
@@jopkwoa9404 nah the teacher is a asshole
@@jopkwoa9404 *L teacher*
@@scp-1906theremainofachair L student how in the world is it the teachers fault
I have a teacher called Mr. Silver 💀💀💀
As soon as he brought out the "My parents are gonna be mad" I knew it was over, the prof does not care
I would be so mad if I was the student
what is the map name?
teacher can't change you're grade even if you where the biggest little shit wich make me thing that maybe william was right
thanks for the like
Yeah but William is annoying
@@dabbingraccoons6416 he is A TEACHER HE IS NOT SUPPOSED TO GIVE A BAD GRADE BECAUSE HE DON'T LIKE THE STUDENT
@@dabbingraccoons6416yeah..... But it's ILLEGAL
@@lotusleaf1365yeah... BUT ITS NOT!!!
@@Carl-qh9jp and your proof? Tests/Quiz's etc are what the state uses to determine what you're good at, and what you're best use would be. Jobs use this to determine if they want to higher you, colleges as well. If a teacher is lying and changing your grade, that changes EVERYTHING
The fact that the teacher arbitrarily edited his grade afterwards, regardless of rudeness throws the entire test into doubt.
The teacher probably graded something wrong, but William definitely lost his cool so damn fast.
Based on the fact that the professor both failed to provide the reasons why William was incorrect (didn't show him the grading rubric or process) and he changed the grade illegally so quickly, I think William is right and is probably also right to get angry because he may have studied so hard hearing the professor had a reputation for strict grading and still suffered from it.
He had no reason to lash out tho the teacher was just doing their job
@@TerranceChow-og8ck You have the right to challenge your test grade. Finals can be life changing and if you put money into it, you should see why William lashed out. The professor was highly unprofessional in this situation and should have explained why he got the grade he did. It is illegal to change someone’s grade as a form of discipline, which the professor did. William was just concerned about his future and was nervous, most likely his mind isn’t fully grown yet.
He wasn’t “just doing his job” he also committed a crime and he failed as a professor by not explaining it. Don’t say my point isn’t valid because the teacher might have gotten his feelings hurt, he is a grown man, William isn’t. If the professor got his feelings hurt because of something one of his students said, he shouldn’t be teaching kids.
Illegal? Get over yourself. Please, in William's case, it was well deserved. Swearing at a teacher and acting disrespectful deserves consequences. And second of all, 48% or 44% doesn't matter. Once anyone is THAT low, doesn't it even make a difference? An F is an F. Williams should've kept his cool and studied better.
@@therealbonduckfrwith the challenge also comes a grade change. The professor probably found the 44 during the re-grade and decided to not replace the grade until William’s final email.
William is in the wrong. You get graded for participation AND the work. Just because stuff is turned in and done on time doesn’t mean you get a perfect 100%.
William was right, clearly the teacher has a habit of changing grades out of spite so that must have been what happened to make his score low to begin with.
Honestly, neither but what I would say is the student couldn't just requested to overview their test with the teacher so that they could discuss in person with the test there. The issues and the incorrect answers to try and figure out where things went wrong.
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The Student is in the right to challenge their test score. The Teacher is in the wrong to give their student a lower score than it is supposed to be.
You can challenge but you have to take the re-graded score lower or higher. What is the supposed grade? The 44 regrade or the original 48 the student wanted regraded?
Except that the student didn't stop at challenging their test score and the teacher didn't give the student a lower score than it was supposed to be.
The teacher went over the test, found that the student actually did worse than originally thought. In such a situation, teachers generally are allowed to decide whether they want to let the student keep the higher score, or update the grade to reflect the lower, more accurate score. The teacher initially chose the former, but when the student refused to accept this and became blatantly rude, the teacher instead updated their grade according to their performance, which is both something the teacher is very much allowed to do and something which was absolutely deserved.
The student got angry when their challenge didn't get the results they wanted. The teacher reacted accordingly, in a way they are entirely allowed to do.
@@Missingno_Miner Except that literally did not happen. The teacher said "... but considering you are being disrespectful and taking advantage of my time, I have changed your test score from 48% to 44%."
Literally nothing about finding the student doing worse than they thought, they changed it because of disrespect. Which isn't a reason to change someones grade.
@@just_izayah4532 The teacher previously stated that they double checked the student's answers and found more incorrect answers. Reading comprehension is hard.
The disrespect was their motivation for changing it, but they were well within their rights to do so.
William is in the right, I believe strongly that teachers should be held responsible and make their courses to a high standard if this student did everything he was told to do and even more ( the studying before the test) then he should not be given a bad grade it is my belief that if the student who does everything right does not score well it’s the teachers fault, people need to adapt and this is something the teacher did not do. This is just not a acceptable way for the teacher to act when the teachers coarse did not react then student well enough
Even if it’s the teachers fault, William started getting upset at the teacher for doing his job, the teacher definitely does not get paid enough to deal with him
@@jopkwoa9404I do personally believe that William should be punished for his use of vulgar words in his response but that should be different from lowering his grade.
Womp womp
@@AurumFaberWHA 😭😭😭
Bro he got grade it doesn’t fucking matter if he works hard
William was downright disrespectful, teacher was right. He just couldn’t accept that he did not good enough
The teacher cant just lower his grade like that tho and the teacher also could have explained to william where he went wrong.
@@strawberrycowxo The downgraded mark could also be on participation. He shouldn’t have been so disrespectful
@@strawberrycowxoan email explaining everything he did wrong would have wasted so much of his time, it would have been better to see him in person and explain. The student didn't even show interest in that though.
@@petagriffin6608 It’s illegal to change a grade like that. It wasn’t on participation, he said it was because he was being disrespectful. Which is illegal to do
@@Indie_Live Also, we don’t know if we saw him in person, he could have.
What if the teacher was already boosting their grade.
Like if they actually scored a 22% and the teacher was like “damn… this kid is helluh dumb. They fail no matter what maybe i can make their failure a lil less”
Prof just opened up himself to a lawsuit, jailtime and unemployment.
Yea no, you obviously know nothing about what you’re taking about. He’s allowed to do that.
They both are wrong
If you got a bad grade and you did get answers wrong, that’s your fault
But the teacher reacted immaturely
bro the desperation of trying to please your parents and teachers making doing that difficult for you is the worst feeling. And then you end up annoyed with both.
Why doesn't the teacher return the graded assignments to all of the students in their class? That's how my teachers always did it.
I had an English teacher who didn’t know anything past Primary School English. They needed another Teacher so they took a PE Teacher and made him in charge of English classes. He gave me really poor grades because I was “Writing my sentences all wrong”. I cried one time, seeing a 43% on my project. My mom saw this happening and asked me why her child, a bilingual, had such bad grades. When I explained and gave her the project to review, she was fuming. She called the School and threatened them to go over and teach the Teacher some REAL English. Next thing you know, someone else was grading my projects, exams and homework. (I had a 97% on the project, btw)
Pictures of the exam with the errors marked is literally all the prof needed. When all he offers is words, seems like he's hiding something
When the student lashed out and said “this stupid class” I think that showed that they didn’t pour their heart and soul into the test and didn’t spend 20 hours studying
Or it was 20 hours of cramming a couple of days before the test.
Tbh, I'm generally suspicious when someone can say how long they studied for. If I'm studying for something properly, I'm studying in small chunks way in advance of a test and I can't remember how many chunks and how long they were, so I have no idea how much studying I did. I don't look at it in hours, I look at it in how much of the content I've covered.
If I'm completely unprepared, I know how long I've studied because I've had to split the content I need to study across the time that I have until the test (eg if there are 4 topics and I have 20 hours of available study time, that's 5 hours a topic).
But I'm also terrible at sticking to timetables that I create. Someone else gives me one? I can stick to it easily. I make my own? No chance.
Teachers when students takes test: Recheck your answers!
Also teachers: "I sAcRiFcEd My TiMe DoUbLeChEcKiNg"
This comment section is literally just kids who hate teachers for being teachers.
-Be upset about grade.
-Teacher offers some support outside of school.
-Student says double check.
-Teacher double checks and it’s still wrong.
-Student starts swearing and insulting the teacher.
-Teacher makes them lose points for poor behaviour.
And some of you are saying that the teacher’s in the wrong??
This wouldve been completely avoided if the teacher just told the student what he did wrong...
i love teachers that dont explain why we are wrong and give us vague ass answers :D
He offered to explain it at a later date, guess you must of missed that part
This would have been solved really quickly if the teacher just shared his corrections since he went through the trouble of checking them again
As a former Student council member, William was fucking dumb for agitating the one guy who is responsible for his grade. In my country we do have a grade based on your mannerism: skipping class, school violation, and class disturbance influence said grade. BUT that only applies to activities inside the school. Personal matters between student and teacher is strictly forbidden to influence student's grade, attention at class and opportunities under curriculum. Mr silver is the one who is wrong by rule, but William might get called to the counselor's office for this.
Teacher should list mistakes, but dropping a students grade because you don't like them (AND ADMITTING IT) seems illegal
them changing the grade for personal feelings shows the orginal grade was probably made on personal feelings just sounds like the kind of teacher who those who bother him the least pass super easily while if you ask to many questions you fail
Smells like a lawsuit, with photo evidence via email screenshots 😃