Thank you for posting this. Even tho we have a really large Chinese community from all places here in Argentina and good deal of Hakka. It was impossible to me finding a sifu willing to teach an outsider. Your mini documentary proved one of the reasons I feared :/ Once again thank you for bringing the world a little closer.
This is one of my favorite of your posts so far. I love the style and they seem very unpretentious and yet confident in their style. I also love their willingness to show their techniques and of course because I am a martial geek I love to hear the history of each style! Thanks for posting!
Thank you for the share .... they do have different approach than other western teachers ie they desire to share the wisdom while other make you pay and drag out teachings to line their pockets with money . It's a busnes to them ...... thanks again
Show us the daoist school of Indonesian Chinese John Chang..businessman and Acupuncturist practicing Mo Pai Quan... The school founded on Mo Zi or Mo Zu..or Mo Tsu...and Daoist Mohism.
Nice video. To make it better, I have a suggestion. Is it possible to make the subtitles optional? They take up a lot of space, and block me from seeing the footwork.
In Singapore, Hakka Mantis is not at all commonly practiced. There are more such groups in Malaysia, and we are certainly planning to feature them in future seasons. That being said, Hakka kungfu is a lot more than the mantis families, and we certainly want to get a wide cross-section of them.
@@joanneallton-twist7906 not exactly. Maybe more like all styles have some influences from other styles/ systems both from within and from without. But this sort of natural evolution is not really the same as deliberately taking forms from several different well known kung fu styles, making a syllabus around them, creating a false untraceable lineage, calling it after an (at the time) little heard style name and calling it an authentic traditional system.
@@LauGarSifu you’re saying that the UK based Lau Gar is an inauthentic style, therefore the issue being with the ‘business’ of kungfu (or the BKFA) as it is being portrayed. ie as traditional. Not necessarily that the system itself is ineffective. It’s a style of kungfu wherever or whenever it’s origins? No? Are you of a Lau Gar from other traditional origins, therefore have intimate knowledge of the this made up UK style and it’s development? I’m genuinely interested to hear
Haha, believe it or not, I actually was looking to learn Bak Mei when I stumbled across Lau Gar Gow on the recommendation of my first teacher. Very different style, but no regrets - it's highly effective, and Sifu is an amazing teacher and practitioner. If you're a fellow hakka stylist, you should come check us out someday - you might like what you find!
A couple of reasons. Lau Gar Gow is optimised as a bladed-stance striking system - optimal for deep-entry strikes, not so much for sustained grappling (since you'd have to switch to a front-facing stance). With this in mind, the system depends on constantly messing an opponent's sense of range to keep them behind the loop. In this case, the kao strike takes them suddenly from near to medium-far range in a blink of an eye (not to mention bumping them upwards and breaking their base), where you proceed to rain more strikes on them before they even adjust to the sudden change. As an additional multiplier, this is where the leg attacks come into their own to further mess with the opponent's base. Rinse, lather, repeat until opponent is lying in a bloody puddle on the ground. As for why Lau Gar Gow has very little (read: almost no) sustained grappling, I have a few working hypotheses of my own, most of which revolve around blades and other potential concealed weapons being common in the historical periods in which the art arose. Getting into a sustained grapple with someone when you don't know what they may be packing is generally not a good idea. Even a simple utility knife can be quickly deployed as a weapon by someone who uses it every day, and if you are deeply committed to a hold, you can quickly find yourself in trouble. As an aside, weapon-aware grappling systems like classical jujutsu and dumog tend to have different engagement doctrines that reflect this. Lau Gar Gow, on the other hand, seems to have mostly dispensed with this to focus on bridge control and footwork to remain constantly on-target for striking, and have the option to immediately break and run.
@@affalee8216 A bit hard to say 'battlefields,' since it has spent at least a couple hundred years evolving as a civilian self-defence system. We strongly suspect that it is closely related to the old military hand combat training, but without conclusive proof, we can't confirm anything. True military systems would take into account things like armour, weapons, and formation combat, none of which are explicitly touched upon in our empty-hand system. What we *can* say for certain is that it has been tested on the mean streets for at least five generations, including one of our ancestors who was an underworld troubleshooter in Shanghai and did prison time for killing someone in unarmed combat. Also, our core weapon systems are marked by plainness and practicality - generally a sign of people who were more concerned with results than looking good :) I suppose if pre-modern Hakka life was a battlefield, then yes, it *is* suited for that battlefield!
@@affalee8216 Right, before this gets out of hand, I'd like to clear the air a little bit. The demonstrating master in the video is Tan Gwan Him, 3rd disciple of Grandmaster Liao Songfen (the nice old gentleman fielding questions at the sit-down). He is also my Sifu. For the record, Master Tan has never been anything but generous and diligent in teaching - he will take anyone with a good attitude and teaches without holding back. As for the tribal angle, we long stopped caring about what tribe/dialect group people come from, and we're perfectly happy to pass the system on to anyone with good character and attitude. We'd love to see more full-blood Hakkas join us so the art can maintain a presence within the family, but we're committed to keeping the tradition alive for them regardless. Not sure what L Blue's beef is, but I wouldn't take a guy who types with a broken capslock too seriously.
Monkey Steals Peach, on your Journeys have you encountered any mixing/Integration between Xingyi Quan and Hakka? Xingyi influenced by Hakka people or heard of any Hakka people practicing it?
Hello Richard. James here. You can contact the school directly at this link. m.facebook.com/profile.php?id=1397355213921622&ref=content_filter We hold classes at Siglap CC every Sunday morning. Hope to see you there!
@@mauricovchalons9376 Thanks for your interest. We have 14 empty-hand solo forms in our system. As far as weapons and two-man forms go, I'm honestly still in the process of getting an accurate count as this stuff isn't written down anywhere. My best estimate so far is 20+ weapon solo forms and 5 partner forms (including weapons and empty hand).
@@thomasda3482 No, it isn't. Completely different origin. Hung Gar comes from the old Fujian tiger styles (ultimately from southern shaolin, if you believe that origin story). We come from Henan (the origin of Hakka people) plus all the influences Hakkas picked up through the generations. So, again, totally different origins and technical base.
@@LanChiaoPeng the south style kung fu are very similar to each other ,,, huanga gar ...white crane and southern mantis,,,,,,,, so what is your style ... xinyi liu hequan 心意吗
Without wanting to lessen the impact of anything being discussed here, the Hakka also have a reputation as great cooks. That might sound secondary, but unless you are living on rice cakes and rainwater, chances are that training and working are not the only things in your life. Between Hakka cuisine and the Straits Chinese food that has become famous over the years, its little wonder foodies make a beeline for Singapore and Malaysia. I'm hungry just thinking about it ! en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hakka_cuisine
Ahhh.. the NOMADS. The traveling Chinese people that were short. They moved from place to place. The HAKANESE. ❤that RED BOAT GUY you had on was awesome.
это такой жеский обман, что невероятно! дедушка рассказывает что эффективно , с очень уверенным видом! и зрителям кажется, что это серьезный боец, всю жизнь бившийся на рингах и полях сражений ))))) а по факту эти умники явно даже не дрались на улице ни разу в жизни ))) и все эти приемы ерунда, просто выдумки
such a shame that nowadays less people are interested in TMA where it's a literal figurative goldmine waiting to be discovered
Thank you for posting this.
Even tho we have a really large Chinese community from all places here in Argentina and good deal of Hakka.
It was impossible to me finding a sifu willing to teach an outsider.
Your mini documentary proved one of the reasons I feared :/
Once again thank you for bringing the world a little closer.
This is one of my favorite of your posts so far. I love the style and they seem very unpretentious and yet confident in their style. I also love their willingness to show their techniques and of course because I am a martial geek I love to hear the history of each style! Thanks for posting!
This stuff looks so cool!
Very southern and direct!
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Thank you for the share .... they do have different approach than other western teachers ie they desire to share the wisdom while other make you pay and drag out teachings to line their pockets with money . It's a busnes to them ...... thanks again
Thanks for the share !
Take care ✝️
Show us the daoist school of Indonesian Chinese John Chang..businessman and Acupuncturist practicing Mo Pai Quan...
The school founded on Mo Zi or Mo Zu..or Mo Tsu...and Daoist Mohism.
Nice video. To make it better, I have a suggestion.
Is it possible to make the subtitles optional? They take up a lot of space, and block me from seeing the footwork.
I see a LOT of karate in the forms here. Seems to be something that inspired the formation of karate.
great video as always Will!
thanks Paul, hope to see you in China again sometime soon!
hi, nice video regarding a Hakka Martial arts.
do you have any info or links to hakka Southern praying mantis or better known as Chu Gar (kuen/gao)?
In Singapore, Hakka Mantis is not at all commonly practiced. There are more such groups in Malaysia, and we are certainly planning to feature them in future seasons. That being said, Hakka kungfu is a lot more than the mantis families, and we certainly want to get a wide cross-section of them.
@L Blue Nice, maybe I need to practice my MMA and challenge him in a cage fight
@Chaleorno artes marciales Yes, I am. I'm Will's co-interviewer, and Master Tan is my Sifu.
Hi Are there any links to the lau gar Kung fu practiced in the uk. The master of this style is also of Hakka origin.
No, totally unrelated. Its just Lau is a common surname in China
As already commented on. Plus the UK "Lau Gar Kuen" is not genuine, but a mish mash of other systems.
@@LauGarSifu isn't all kungfu, a progression of other systems
@@joanneallton-twist7906 not exactly. Maybe more like all styles have some influences from other styles/ systems both from within and from without.
But this sort of natural evolution is not really the same as deliberately taking forms from several different well known kung fu styles, making a syllabus around them, creating a false untraceable lineage, calling it after an (at the time) little heard style name and calling it an authentic traditional system.
@@LauGarSifu you’re saying that the UK based Lau Gar is an inauthentic style, therefore the issue being with the ‘business’ of kungfu (or the BKFA) as it is being portrayed. ie as traditional. Not necessarily that the system itself is ineffective.
It’s a style of kungfu wherever or whenever it’s origins? No?
Are you of a Lau Gar from other traditional origins, therefore have intimate knowledge of the this made up UK style and it’s development? I’m genuinely interested to hear
Awesome
thx
From the southern shaolin temple fujian😉
What a treat! Thanks!
There's a lot of well-executed techniques in there, that would escape the novice observer.
I still preferred pakmei. I have used it on street fight, its practical for defence.
Haha, believe it or not, I actually was looking to learn Bak Mei when I stumbled across Lau Gar Gow on the recommendation of my first teacher. Very different style, but no regrets - it's highly effective, and Sifu is an amazing teacher and practitioner. If you're a fellow hakka stylist, you should come check us out someday - you might like what you find!
"never mind maneuvers, always go straight at 'em" - Nelson
There're actually a lot of manoeuvre tactics in Liu Jia Jiao - just that the movements are all very small.
@@LanChiaoPeng of course, just quoted that to echo what one of the masters says in the video at 18:35 or thereabouts
@@huzhuiwei Righto, gotcha!
The Kao technique is odd to me- why shoulder bump his arm pit when I could grab an underhook and take his back?
A couple of reasons. Lau Gar Gow is optimised as a bladed-stance striking system - optimal for deep-entry strikes, not so much for sustained grappling (since you'd have to switch to a front-facing stance). With this in mind, the system depends on constantly messing an opponent's sense of range to keep them behind the loop. In this case, the kao strike takes them suddenly from near to medium-far range in a blink of an eye (not to mention bumping them upwards and breaking their base), where you proceed to rain more strikes on them before they even adjust to the sudden change. As an additional multiplier, this is where the leg attacks come into their own to further mess with the opponent's base.
Rinse, lather, repeat until opponent is lying in a bloody puddle on the ground.
As for why Lau Gar Gow has very little (read: almost no) sustained grappling, I have a few working hypotheses of my own, most of which revolve around blades and other potential concealed weapons being common in the historical periods in which the art arose. Getting into a sustained grapple with someone when you don't know what they may be packing is generally not a good idea. Even a simple utility knife can be quickly deployed as a weapon by someone who uses it every day, and if you are deeply committed to a hold, you can quickly find yourself in trouble.
As an aside, weapon-aware grappling systems like classical jujutsu and dumog tend to have different engagement doctrines that reflect this. Lau Gar Gow, on the other hand, seems to have mostly dispensed with this to focus on bridge control and footwork to remain constantly on-target for striking, and have the option to immediately break and run.
@@affalee8216 A bit hard to say 'battlefields,' since it has spent at least a couple hundred years evolving as a civilian self-defence system. We strongly suspect that it is closely related to the old military hand combat training, but without conclusive proof, we can't confirm anything. True military systems would take into account things like armour, weapons, and formation combat, none of which are explicitly touched upon in our empty-hand system. What we *can* say for certain is that it has been tested on the mean streets for at least five generations, including one of our ancestors who was an underworld troubleshooter in Shanghai and did prison time for killing someone in unarmed combat. Also, our core weapon systems are marked by plainness and practicality - generally a sign of people who were more concerned with results than looking good :)
I suppose if pre-modern Hakka life was a battlefield, then yes, it *is* suited for that battlefield!
@@affalee8216 Now that, we *do* have. The big infantry rattan shield is part of our lineage.
@@affalee8216 Right, before this gets out of hand, I'd like to clear the air a little bit. The demonstrating master in the video is Tan Gwan Him, 3rd disciple of Grandmaster Liao Songfen (the nice old gentleman fielding questions at the sit-down). He is also my Sifu. For the record, Master Tan has never been anything but generous and diligent in teaching - he will take anyone with a good attitude and teaches without holding back. As for the tribal angle, we long stopped caring about what tribe/dialect group people come from, and we're perfectly happy to pass the system on to anyone with good character and attitude. We'd love to see more full-blood Hakkas join us so the art can maintain a presence within the family, but we're committed to keeping the tradition alive for them regardless. Not sure what L Blue's beef is, but I wouldn't take a guy who types with a broken capslock too seriously.
Is hakka kung fu related to kun tao?
Monkey Steals Peach, on your Journeys have you encountered any mixing/Integration between Xingyi Quan and Hakka? Xingyi influenced by Hakka people or heard of any Hakka people practicing it?
No, Xingyi is practiced mainly in northern China, hundreds of KM away from the Hakka populated regions in the south
Hi James, I'm Dabu Hakka living in Singapore, I likes to learn Hakka Gongfu. May I know where i school. Thank you
This channel actually belongs to me, Will, but I have told James to contact you
Hello Richard. James here. You can contact the school directly at this link. m.facebook.com/profile.php?id=1397355213921622&ref=content_filter
We hold classes at Siglap CC every Sunday morning. Hope to see you there!
@@LanChiaoPeng can iask you something? ¿how many taulus or forms does have the liu jia jiao?
@@mauricovchalons9376 Thanks for your interest. We have 14 empty-hand solo forms in our system. As far as weapons and two-man forms go, I'm honestly still in the process of getting an accurate count as this stuff isn't written down anywhere. My best estimate so far is 20+ weapon solo forms and 5 partner forms (including weapons and empty hand).
ooh my ancestor's kungfu !
kungfu best
It looks like Lau Gar Kuin
Your account name is funny 😂
looks like hung gar kung fu 洪拳的用法
Not at all, actually. It is a totally unrelated style.
@@LanChiaoPeng i think that s close style to hung gar
@@thomasda3482 No, it isn't. Completely different origin. Hung Gar comes from the old Fujian tiger styles (ultimately from southern shaolin, if you believe that origin story). We come from Henan (the origin of Hakka people) plus all the influences Hakkas picked up through the generations. So, again, totally different origins and technical base.
@@LanChiaoPeng the south style kung fu are very similar to each other ,,, huanga gar ...white crane and southern mantis,,,,,,,, so what is your style ... xinyi liu hequan 心意吗
@@thomasda3482 I'm James, one of the guys in the video :) I'm a member of Hakka Lau Gar Gow
Without wanting to lessen the impact of anything being discussed here, the Hakka also have a reputation as great cooks. That might sound secondary, but unless you are living on rice cakes and rainwater, chances are that training and working are not the only things in your life.
Between Hakka cuisine and the Straits Chinese food that has become famous over the years, its little wonder foodies make a beeline for Singapore and Malaysia. I'm hungry just thinking about it !
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hakka_cuisine
Ahhh.. the NOMADS. The traveling Chinese people that were short. They moved from place to place. The HAKANESE. ❤that RED BOAT GUY you had on was awesome.
это такой жеский обман, что невероятно! дедушка рассказывает что эффективно , с очень уверенным видом! и зрителям кажется, что это серьезный боец, всю жизнь бившийся на рингах и полях сражений ))))) а по факту эти умники явно даже не дрались на улице ни разу в жизни ))) и все эти приемы ерунда, просто выдумки