Martial Arts of Malaysia - p2 the Hakka Kung Fu & Seven Star Mantis
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- Опубликовано: 3 ноя 2022
- I continue my journey into the martial arts of Malaysia by exploring the Kung Fu styles of the Hakka people, looking at two different styles which both share the name Chu Gar. I also visit the Chin Woo Athletic Association to meet up with some fellow Mantis Fist practitioners.
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Thank you very much for promoting Hakka traditional cultural heritage.
Will, many thanks for the amazing material. In many ways, the solo forms recall Okinawan karate but the theory behind the practical moves are so similar to the southern styles of chinese martial arts. The mantis forms executed by the Jing Wu team are so Hong Kong style ! Cheers !!
Yea it came to Malaysia via Hong Kong
I like your videos exploring different Masters and there styles. Please continue
Looking forward to the next videos as you tour Malaysia!
I have a friend who does Bai Mei. Apparently it's considered a Hakka style, and I can definately see some similarities.
Bak mei is Hakka art. That's common knowledge. Why use the wording considered
I just learned that it was. I thought that the Monk named Bak Mei was from Shaolin, and then moved to O Mei Shan.
Always a pleasure to see these
Been looking forward to this one!
As ever, thank you so much for your hard work.
Bruce Lee second movie Fist of Fury was a Chin Woo Men in Chinese. According the history, disciples of that school migrated to Malaysia. Chinese Cultural heritage have been well preserved in Malaysia. Not in mainland China. They have oldest Hakka Buddhist Temple.
Bro, not sure where you are now. But if you’re still in Malaysia, I really hope you have the chance to interview Master Siow Ho Phiew （萧斐弘师傅) in Kuala Lumpur. He is the father of modern lion dance. Definitely worth your time!
Maybe next time
@@MonkeyStealsPeach maybe not worth your time. Master siow is very good n influential but he has been marketed way too much.
His contribution to modern lion dance is immense but it came with a cost. Lion dance in Malaysia today has been gentrified to be more of a business or a sport rather than a culture.
Real traditional forms of fuo shan and even he shan has now made way for this acrobatic showmanship with very little cultural meaning besides being a shallow gentrified fanfare. Reminds me of a circus actually.
Gone were the days when lion dance was accessible to every family during the new year. Troupes will visit each house regardless how much were paid.
Now u make an appointment for them to come and pay hundreds if not thousands for a 10 min often lackluster show.
Otherwise u have to go to a shopping mall to see some acrobatic performance.
To be fair its not master siows fault. He did the best he could but later generations just got greedy n lazy.
I've actually asked him about this. Maybe if u were to interview him you should ask him too. Lol
Your video series has been incredible to see. Thank you so much for making the available to watch.
Wow! Although it is a bit late but welcome to my home country lol! Can't believe I missed this video a year ago. Though being Malaysian, I have been living in the States for over 15 years already.
You do great stuff Will 👍
Fantastic Will, thank you, I especially liked watching the practitioners from the Chin Woo Athletic Association. Looking forward to seeing more from this trip.
Great videos thanks for sharing
Many thanks for such an enjoyable and informative video :) I'm really looking forward to your next one. Whilst I consider myself to be a Kung Fu guy, I have also spent many years studying Silat and in my own practice, the two have merged :)
Thanks a lot for this documentary
Good stuff Will!
Thanks. Good intro & video presentation
Thé beat at beginning
This reminds me of Hokuto Shinken, even the taos and postures look the same
Love the seven star mantis lineage of Wong Kam Hung there 😊👍
Very cool. Thank you 🙏
I have an interest in Southern Praying Mantis style, mostly because the Hong Kong actor, Lo Meng (Toad from 5 Deadly Venoms, & the title character in Kid With The Golden Arms) is a practitioner. Unfortunately, there don't seem to be any schools in my area.
Finding a school is like finding a woman. Don't wait for the most perfect one, just grab a decent one.
Which country are you in? If you cant find Southern mantis, you can try Pak Mei or Dragon sign which are very close in terms of techniques and structure, there are overlaps with southern mantis, and we share the same techniques and even sequences of forms.
Grandmaster Lee
When i first saw a demonstration of his form he was nearly 60 years old , he was packed with some muscles and power that was you can’t see that so often . To see him at his old age makes me so happy
@7:05 it always amazes me when you get to some of these predecessor styles to Okinawan karate (or like he said influenced by white crane) that they can be so darn familiar in practice but the execution is just different enough it doesn't quite feel right.
At the same moment it makes me kind of sad that in the 50s 60s and seventies more diversity of these sister and cousin arts didn't penetrate into the Western consciousness. Because there is such a big depth of unique experiences and techniques. It also speaks directly to why these videos are so important to get to larger audiences because instantly we get to be dropped in to things that are not familiar even with a lot of study. Love the videos
This is a good video!
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May I suggest to visit and learn Baji Quan at KL area,
Taman Danau Desa…
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I'd really love to learn more about that second style of Chu Gar.
Was the name Zhu Family Zhong Family Boxing?
It has a really old style look. He said Hepo but it looks like it was transferred from farther north like Meizhou.
It also has a lot of the looks of Meizhou Zhu Jia Jiao and Zhong Jia Jiao.
Yea Zhu family Zhong family. Could be a combination of those. The guy didn’t know anything beyond the name of his teacher who came from China
awesome display of butterfly knives !
Thank you for the share brother ...... i appreciate your work and most certainly would like to learn a form from you . I've got financial issues at this time , i hope sometime in near future to inquire again . As for the Malaysia martial arts that seems to be a legit fighting and healing system worthy to learn . waiting to witness more . Just wondering if ever you plan to seek out the Bak Mai system of southern styles , it appears to be kind of elusive .
Be well and thanks again ......
great video!. more information even than bbc which is most propaganda directed even the old documentaries!. with little money and a lot of love!. keep going!.
Mate your pronunciation is immaculate! good on ya.
Wow, thanks!
Nice! Some southern hands for viewing pleasure 🙏
Twisting out of linear blocks
Someone style was sick and TAIYHD of wing chun lol.
I'm from Malaysia, thanks for the documentary!
Thanks for watching!
That beat is crazy!!
Thanks! It was custom made by hiphop artist Ciecmate for me. There’s a link in the description to his site
So wonderful to see this gentleman practicing his martial arts!
the seven star mantis punches look a bit like wing chun at the end, just a thought
I'm almost positive that, years ago, i downloaded a shitload of videos off of YouKu of master Lee Toh Sem demonstrating all the forms of his system. I'm gong to have to search my external hard drive. I'm interested in this system
Yep, that is right kung fu principles, they don't try to retract the arm. Oddly many styles didn't hand down like this anymore
Martial arts clubs in temples are like football clubs in churches. They happened to be members of that community, so they got permission from the community leaders to practice in their premises.
There's a larger Hakka population in East Malaysia, i.e. Sabah and Sarawak. There might be some cultural exchanges there, which would explain why Silat and Eskirma is similar to their kungfu style.
It because all of that art is coming from kalaripayat from india name bodhidarma i guess.. Forgot his name.. Kalaripayat is a mother of all martial art nowaday.. Silat have too many system Amongs the Malays, also kuntau, siku 12, buah pukul and mix silat..
@@sanudinmat4975 That is not correct. A lot of influence came from Kalaripayat but every bigger culture had some type of martial art and people migrated all the time and with that it came the exchange of knowledge.
I am a Hakka. Thanks.
Hi, it's very interesting. Do you know books about cinese diaspora? Thanks.😊
Your seven star bit was pretty short. Did the meeting not work out well?
So good o see this. It had the wonderful Kek Lok Si temple that I used to visit so much when I lived in Penang and also the Chuka style- which I never saw when I was there (I was a kid) but have a few books of now. (Including the first one by Draeger)
This made me happy
Hi there, would like to recommend you a supreme monkey kung fu master in Bukit Mertajam, Penang. He has got a big name not only in Malaysia but also the Europe countries especially Germany and Finland. He’s the founder of Tai Shin Mun (大聖門), you are welcome to explore it and pay a visit.
I heard about him but wasn’t able to arrange an interview. Maybe next time
Really enjoying this new series Will, thank you. You still based in Oz or are you elsewhere these days?
Yea Im in Sydney. Glad you’re enjoying it!
@@MonkeyStealsPeach Ah - finally in a spot where the beach is on the correct side!
Do you think that there is any cross referencing or sharing Martial styles between the Silat and Kung fu in Malaysia?
Silat definitely seems to have a lot of CMA influence, as far as whether there is influence in the other direction I have no idea, but it could be possible in some styles
Sweet background music! Also I love the video and how you show the history, culture, and style 💯💯💯🙂🤘
A bit like training in church halls in the uk
Ouh.. On top of that hill is my hostel.. Also there have so many of monkey..
Its a beautiful place with amazing nature
@@MonkeyStealsPeach yea brother.. Have a nice day and wish you all the best and have a great trip..
The Chinese forerunner and counterpart of Bullshitdo!
As a hakka, Chu-gar or Chu Gar Kao, Southern Praying Mantis
is kinda confusing with their history and forms
17:08 and Malay Hakka is hard to understand
I've been wondering about something..do you think traditional Chinese arts should put on MMA style competitions?
Maybe add to the MMA rules and allow open palm and forearm strikes?
I'm thinking most tournament formats don't do any traditional art justice and contribute to the loss of information re application of the techniques of the style.
I'm thinking a light contact format would be possible if a full contact format was deemed to dangerous?
It’s definitely a good idea
@@MonkeyStealsPeach Yep, that's what I think. It'd help find and develop new talent via practical application and perhaps attract more students?
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Does the Southern Praying Mantis also use the Wing Chun wooden dummy?
Not that I know
The only other style I've seen that uses the same dummy is some branches of Bak Mei. I don't know if it's something they always did or if it's a recent addition to the style. ruclips.net/video/Z3Mc1Kv1mGY/видео.html There are a couple of other styles that use a wooden dummy such as Choy Li Fut, but it is very different.
Lam Sang in jook lum use wooden dummy
Yes, some branches have incorporated the wooden dummy but it's use differs from wing Chun. The hitting of the dummy isn't as important as much as the angles so we also train the wooden ring as well.
The chiu chuk kai lineage does uses dummy.
Chiu chuk kai founder of taiji pray mantis migrated to north vietnam. During that time he train under wing chun master yuen chai wan in weapons, other training and dit da jow...
After chiu chuk kai left vietnam to hong kong, he later became very close with weng chun master chu chong man and chui later Incorporated the dummy into his system.
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Maybe Kung Fu was more practiced inside temples during times of prohibition in China.The good thing for Kung Fu outside China was that there was no prohibition on practicing martial arts, as far as I know. The second lineage of Chu Gar is clearly martial combat orientated like you said! Applications are very straight ahead no playing around.
There were periods in Taiwan and Singapore where martial arts practice was heavily restricted. Not too sure about Malaysia or Hong Kong though
@@MonkeyStealsPeach Ok thanks. Indonesia is quite close to Australia. Is there any evidence of some cultural exchange? Some australian silat?😄
@@Gieszkanne some of the aboriginal languages in the far north have loan words from Indonesian and Arabic, as traders from Sulawesi were known to visit Australia long before Europeans , but nothing martial arts-wise.
@@MonkeyStealsPeach Thanks, interesting!
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Wonder how that proverb of gritting your teeth while exerting force applies to toothless guys.
if you wanna be good at kung fu, take care of your teeth
I see some wing chun
這個動作以現代觀念就是刺激腎上腺素.以達到速度但是維持不了太久.要多研究一下.因為這跟營養學也有點相關
他說的氣也沒錯只是由於現代觀念把人腦部洗腦了.只能轉換成現代說但是又無法完整說明氣的概念.外國說能量
cool vid
when u get back to aus maybe invite some yters to ur house for kf lesson tea food and kf culture thing for publicity
cold ones r 2 aussie ppl who drink and interview and do dumb products and merch. maybe not best fit to invite but wanted to recommend u to watch if u want some aussie revelry
interesting to hear abt the lineages. makes me want to learn more about mine
hard to find a balance between niche and detailed vs overview for general audience. this vid is a bit niche i suppose. maybe upload vids that are more basic to bring newcomers in to ur channel alongside more detailed vids for the veterans? i dont mean to harp too much on the business of the channel, just thought id put my thoughts out rather than not say them.
in watching the last few vids im still (as a novice) just distracted by thinking "ok but does it work in a real fight," whenever i see people do their forms or even technique examples. i mean there was a certain point in the vid where a guy went at you for a sec and you two kind of flapped ur hands about... there was another time where the guy was talking about being in a social situation where ur not in guard, and then u move ur hand up to smack an aggressor out of the way...
i guess it would be interesting to see more examples of sparring with ppl u interview. especially a highly skilled practitioner vs a novice. of course its hard to overcome the mental block for a novice to go up against someone who hes intimidated of. but at least youll be able to slow mo it and see how, say, superior footwork benefits the expert. ik its prob hard to ask ppl u interview for sparring demos, bc u dont want to cast doubt on them and u want to b respectful. again just thoughts.
id plug merch more if u can or at least ur patreon. ik its a pain to plug but theres no reason u should put in a lot of time and energy for zero in return... at least if its whats paying ur bills. other thing - im on ur email list and i get ur vids in advance before when u release on ur channel. im like, i didnt pay anything, y am i getting to see these in advance? (did i pay something?..) perks should only be for payers imo. cold ones actually releases footage for patreon members that isnt released to the public.
interesting note about practice spaces and the practicality.
im gonna search ur channel but if u dont have something on this already, id love to see a vid explaining a bit about the original kf texts, how to understand them, and where to find them on the net. ik that its probably hard to understand much at all without a scholar's advice. but since im training solo rn, i find myself interested in at least glancing at the original texts... ik one was like written on pieces of bamboo rather than paper in an ancient chinese dialect... i do see quite a few ppl on reddit talking about training solo, and i always recommend they work with someone in person, but that isn't always possible for ppl.
im also interested in world cultures in general (altho having uncle sam breathing down my neck every time i watch a yt vid makes it hard to learn). so info about food, etiquette, social situations, clothing, history, etc. interest me. and they are great fodder for newcomers. im sure u could even sell an introductory chinese course for english speakers.
i wish ppl, esp christian american conservatives, would have more of an open mind to the world and want to learn rather than go to war. seems like a lot of the talk today is about separating people by race or ethnicity and clinging to culture and being secretive about it. lo and behold communities are segregated and when people do cross lines there is violence...
i dont mean to end on a negative note. keep the great vids coming!
general anatomy and physiology and safety tips would be good too. ur an online sifu rn eh? unless ur sifu would not think it appropriate for u to "teach" at ur level yet, or wouldnt say u can call urself a sifu just yet, at ur level, in this online dojo...
Thanks for the suggestions
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Интересный канал. Есть классные мастера и секреты, фишечки. Но конкретно этот стиль - какая-то шляпа голимая. Нерабочий хлам. Пишу честно.
It is hilarious this guy would believe all this hogwash!
All these styles are impractical in street fights.
Maybe you didn’t train for long enough
Why
Very interesting, too bad this crap doesn't work....
Thanks for sharing your valuable insight!