Who Would Be King of America Today? By Useful Charts - A Historian Reacts
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I will never get tired of VTH mentioning some historical fact and then the video IMMEDIATELY mentions the same fact one second later.
i get tired of it tbh its annoying and i think heactually might be scripting videos
It's great I love it
@@RsPking4Life11 it just solidifies what he’s already saying in my opinion!
@@RsPking4Life11 I definitely don't because it actually bothers me when I do that because I know it looks that way
@@VloggingThroughHistory
Me reading this comment: he’s mentioned this.
Also me at 27:02 of the video: lmao look at his face!
Never stop, cuz every time you say something that is later repeated is a reinforcement of you saying something that isn’t repeated. You don’t know if it’ll be repeated so you’re just dropping knowledge.
My favorite part is when you say that not a lot of people talk about it right before he talks about it.
Plot twist: He made this video just to tell us his grand grand grand grand father was George Washington and he should be the king.
Oooh I like that.
@@VloggingThroughHistory Yeah, I think everyone would lol. Obviously you have all the responsibilities of being a monarch but just the thought of being in control of all America is really cool. I am refering to absolute monarchy of course.
@@VloggingThroughHistory All Hail King Chris. 👑🤴
@@ronaldofrias2176 Come on, Kings don't get nicknames like that. He'd have to be King Christopher the First. That sounds much more regal.
@@SRosenberg203 😂😂
I usually doesn't comment much videos on RUclips but i have to write this one. I found your channel because of your Sabaton reactions and now i watch almost every video you upload. I love history my whole life and your commentary Is really exciting for me. Best Regards from Czech Republic!
Laughed when you said Augustus chose his own heir. He really tried for so long, but Livia just kept killing all the competent heirs lol, so he *chose* Tiberius
If only Germanicus were here...
Useful Charts is one of my favorite channels and he loves to collaborate with other history RUclipsrs. Would love to see you guys work together on a project in the future!
fantastic content... I am subbed from when this channel was 10,000 subs... proud of Mr. Chris... Love to learn from him... The channel is growing, and so is the community... I love to be a part of this community and support Mr. Chris... Again, please support VTH as he is fantastic... and LOVE TO LEARN from him
You mentioned John Adams and it got me thinking about how I recently watched the HBO John Adams series(fantastic series imo). Have you ever considered doing some reactions to scenes from the series? Theres plenty of videos on youtube from the series, and I feel like it does a great job of telling a, albeit dramatic portrayal, a often not talked about president who did alot for this country, John Adams.
Thanks again for the great content!
TURN: Washington’s Spies is also a great show. Definitely one of my top shows… it seems sadly there aren’t many shows with the American Revolution as the setting.
@7:01, that's a really weird mistake on the chart. Mildred Warner died in 1701. If she'd died in 1781, she'd outlived her husband by a full 83 years - which is completly insane.
I remember seeing an alternate history about this scenario, where after King George I's death, the other founding fathers, who would be the American Aristocracy and Nobility, go to war with each other, splitting up into multiple smaller kingdoms. I can't find that exact video, but the idea stuck.
If Washington were King, I have thought of possible titles of nobility for other Founding Fathers. For instance, John Adams, Duke of Boston, Samuel Adams, Earl of Braintree, Thomas Jefferson, Duke of Richmond, Benjamin Franklin, Duke of Philadelphia, etc... Then as the nation expands west, those titles of nobility.
Another great Useful Charts episode in this same vein is “Who would be Roman Emperor today” where he examines five or six different potential claimants to the title
Spanish claim!
If one ignores all the Generals who currently exist who would also be claimants under the Roman system.
I would love to see his reaction to this video.
Spanish camp claim for sure.
@@coronin8587. The Turks have a better claim
At the Constitutional Convention, Federalists like Hamilton pushed for the Executive to serve lifetime terms and essentially be a de facto monarchy. Their reasoning was the same as to why we have lifetime appointments for Supreme Court justices today. They believed if the Executive was in for life, then he could be above politics and govern as he saw as the best course for the nation without worrying about reelection. Thankfully, the Federalists didn't get their wish.
wow that is almost. scary to think about
I have a book on the subject, but is it is less that he pushed for it and more that he presented it. The issue was that the other two members from New York were more conservative, so they kept out voting him on issues. He eventually gave up because it was clear that his ideas were too radical.
For a moment I thought you were going to talk about the monarchy of Scotland but I like this perfect timing already bought me a useful chart going to get few more 👍
Queen Brynda sounds awesome!
I'm imagining this viking shield maiden leading America into the new millennium
Keep up the good work. If your ever in Nevada or Utah Id love to hang out and see sites with ya. Looking forward to reconstruction part 2 .
Now that you've diversified from American and broad European history. I was wondering if you could react to some of Indian history. It's super interesting. I feel the same away about Turkish history and I'm glad that you did it.
Well obviously VTH would be King, and Mr. Terry would be co-King.
Nah mate Mr. Terry would be a heir, or the Prime Minister or whatever VTH would call his command.
I think the Butterfly Effect makes answering this question near impossible since Washington would have been pushed to have biological children if he were crowned, and that then throws this whole video off track since there’s no certainty that any of the later people would even be born but it’s an interesting thought experiment in any case.
Now I’m just imagining the George Washington becomes a Henry the Eighth so he could get a son😂
I thought he was rendered sterile because of a bout of smallpox when he was a younger.
What makes you think he could have children? 2:47
I think your comment here is unnecessary because it’s presumed by default that any speculation of alternative history is impossible to extrapolate accurately. Of course we presume many things including that there would have been any kind of unpredictable events.
Yes which is why the maker of the video said multiple times that history probably would have played out differently. If Washington was able to have kids he would have been pushed to have kids. His kids would have likely also have kids and the line would've kept going to now. Also some others things would have changed.
King Larry... Also very interesting that of 6 Washington boys only 1 line still has the Washington name.
I think the Mr. Vernon line probably would have had the greatest claim to the throne for the the stated reason that the Senior line was based on an older brother. At that point, who would care about George's father and whether there was an older half-brother. I do not see why if George had been King that we would go backwards to an OLDER male sibling to determine his successor.
Like he said, succession is traditionally primogeniture, or eldest gets it. That's the norm, and especially so for European monarchs, with the major exception being those "born in purple." This is a term for Byzantine Emperors' children who were born in a special birthing chamber with purple walls. Quite literally, born in purple. They were born imperial prince and princess, while their elder siblings were merely the sons and daughters of a noble who has since been elected to that position.
Throughout his early reign, Otto I of Germany, or Otto the Great, had to contend with rebellions from his brother, Heinrich (or Henry) of Bavaria. Henry claimed that he was a prince while Otto was merely a duke's son (Otto had been born whilst their father was merely the Duke of Saxony and Henry after his election of king). According to him, it too made no sense for the German crown to go back through a less legitimate claim (the German crown was not hereditary and they never had "born in purple"). Ironically, it was Henry's grandson who would be the last Luidolfing ruler.
Anyway, this scenario is strange because it starts with a middle son on the throne rather than the eldest surviving line. But in a scenario with no specific documentation stating otherwise, it would go through the senior line 10/10.
You should totally take a look at his video on matrilineal dynasties. It's mindblowing how long some of those lineages are.
I recently did a quick tally of inheritance in my family if we still had a system of "oldest son inherits the entire estate" as in the middle ages, and I ended up being the heir to all my eight great-grandparents.
Now all you have to do is build an army and reclaim what is rightfully yours 🤪
Loving ur content literally can’t get enough of it found ur channel this year and have watched every video cause ur just awesome
Thank you so much Charlie and welcome!
My family got very into family history recently and traced my mother's line all the way back to Richard Warren, one of the pilgrims to come over on the Mayflower. That in and of itself isn't all that special considering how many surviving kids he had who also had kids, but it is noteworthy that our line comes from the Warren/Billington union, when his great grandson married the great granddaughter of John Billington, who was infamously the first person executed for murder in Plymouth colony. That was a fun thing to learn.
Amazing video! I’ve yet to watch, but I knew eventually you’d cover this guy’s timeline, and have been subbed waiting for this moment ever since. Thank you for the content you provide!
I am a Teacher. I use this channel as one of the materials in my teaching of History to High School students. Love this channel.
Have you ever considered doing the Oversimplified Three Kingdom's War between the several Chinese warlord states and dynasties. I know it's not neccesarily so relevant to this video; however I just wondered if it would be helpful in educating ourselves about different parts of global history and the video is really interesting and insightful to understand and watch the events that unravelled to directly cause an incident which impacted the rest of global history. Also, oversimplified videos are just the best and it would go along well with the Kraut Turkish century series as well. Love your channel and keep up the good work :)
And the award for RUclipsr who’s best at pausing the video, making a statement about the subject matter, then unpausing to instantly looking at the camera and slightly nodding their head as the channel they’re reacting to says the exact same thing the RUclipsr had just stated goes to…….. VLOGGING THROUGH HISTORY, for the 3rd year in a row!
Alright I’m named after my dad and grandpa, but that stops now! I’m going to name my son Bushrod or Spotswood now. We need these names back in America!
From my POV, i think that if America became a Monarchy, it would have used the British Succession Rules. So if we follow those rules, the Crown would have gone to William I Washington, then after King Bushrod II's reign, his Daugher Estella became a Queen because the British Rules say that Crown will go to the Sovereign's oldest *SON* but if Sovereign didnt have any, it would go to the oldest or only daughter, not the closest male. Then after Estalla died, crown went to King Lee and then to his daughter became Queen Odelle
Its crazy how we can go back so far and find specific relatives. I am a direct descendent of Anne Washington who is President Washington’s great-aunt.
How are you able to just trace ancestors like that
Hey, nice to see the channel experience so much growth. Congratulations and thank you for all the work you've been putting into it.
I know this is a nitpick and probably not something worth changing at this point in time, but the stroke order for the channel intro feels a bit counter-intuitive (if this is even the right word for it) to me.
Every time I see the first "\" stroke, I'd expect the "/" to come next in an upwards motion, acting as a connector completing the "V" and transitioning into the "T" and only then followed by the horizontal stroke for the top of the "T".
Obviously there might be a different reason or meaning as to why the current stroke order is "\", horizontal line, "/" that I am simply unaware of.
Sorry, I know this is not a big deal, just wanted to share my thoughts on what I perceived to be a "more natural" flow for the intro.
The adopted heir thing also happened In Japan. The practice is still used by CEOs who give their adopted 'son' they business when they retire or die.
It interests me that Washington's birth year is labeled 1732 which it was in most of the world. However, in England it was 1731 as England didn't use the Gregorian Calendar and only adopted it in 1752, over 200 years after it was first proposed.
Yep! I talked about this when I visited the Cemetery in Quincy, MA which has a bunch of graves with double numbers for pre 1752, pre March 25 birth dates
I watch both useful charts and oversimplefied but watching you react of them.. It is something different. The "who would be" on useful charts is very intriguing and it would be fun if you react on more videos of this series.
6:55 I've noticed that numbers don't add up.. So I look it up.. His grandmother actually died in 1701. So it's a typo in original video.
Always fun when one of my favorite channels reacts to another of my favorite channels! 🙂
Vlogging through history when he researches something. GLASSES ON!!!!!!
His video on Scottish Monarchies or any of his biblical chart videos would be awesome!
I can actually trace my father's line of this country back to 1700. First ancestor was a 14 year old indentured servant who came to Virginia, worked off his freedom and settled as farmers.
And even to this day my family still basically are farmer folk.
My ancestor was on the Mayflower as an indentured servant to Stephan Hopkins. He was known as a hot-head and a trouble maker for most of his life. Possibly still a family trait . . .
His videos are very informative and entertaining, id love to see more reactions of this channel
Now Bushrod sounds like a strong first name. Who would want to fight some dude named Bushrod. That just sounds like a guy who got pick on a lot when he was little.
When is the next Turkish Century video? Sorry if I’m being annoying, just really excited for the next 2 chapters
6:54 Mildred Warner was actually born in 1671 and died in 1701, that’s just a typo on the chart
Augustine Washington, George's brother is "The Uncle of Our Country"
Petition for him to watch the emu war oversimplified
I believe Mildred Warner, George Washington's paternal grandmother was meant to say "died 1701" instead of 1781
You are correct!
It really makes me sad to think about how Washington died only a few years after he left office.
Me too.
@@VloggingThroughHistory why did he not change clothes. Seriously
@@GalacticDragon05 it pains me so much to think about that
You should totally check out Potential History, some really fun WW2 history there! Some civil war content too if you're interested there!
I'm a direct descendant it the Custis family directly through George Washington Parke Custis. So, basically, I'm an American Princess?
The name Bushrod appears on both sides of the family making me wonder where it originated that unrelated clan members were tagged with this name
@Vlogging Through History I currently go to school with the youngest son of Robert e Lee the 5th
There was an episode of a sci-fi show called Sliders where men carried the babies and the US was a Monarchy, decided from Thomas Jefferson and the Royal Estate was Monticello. One of the characters was carrying the new heir to the throne. I wonder how that family tree would look, a House of Jefferson.
This is fascinating. Thanks again for all your content! Any tips for Asian Americans as far as researching family history? So much seem lost though…
I don’t know where the video got George Washington’s grandmother dying in 1781 from…she died in 1701 according to every resource I could find. The implication of her being 110 years old at her death also is mostly impossible at the time
Yes she died in 1701. As for the age it’s possible. I had a 6th great grandmother who died in 1856 at the age of 115. Her death (in a fire, not old age) made national news.
If this had happened maybe there would have been some Royal marriages with various European Royal Families Queen Victoria had a few daughters perhaps who knows
Its possible they could have had an elective monarch system, where people would vote for a king. Either voting specifically within the Washington family, choosing from a variety of noble houses (who those houses would be, idk, so i think this is the least likely) or just having anyone be electable as king, basically a vote for a life-long president. At the very least their could have been an election for who would be king following washingtons death
So I understand this is beyond the scope of a simple genealogy succession but I'll post what I did on the original video:
Since Washington died without an heir and since by 1799 Adams and Jefferson were political rivals it's entirely likely a war of succession would have taken place. In this regard Bushrod Washington becomes extremely likely as the chosen successor of the Adams faction as he was appointed to the Supreme Court by Adams and once there he almost always voted in agreement with John Marshall, another Adams appointee, Adams Secretary of State and political ally.
As for who Jefferson would have backed I am less clear. Choosing the young Parke Custis and ruling through him as a puppet seems like a Hamilton move but it was certainly a viable option, but William Washington's Revolutionary War credentials also would make him an attractive candidate.
Parke Custis may ultimately have ended up "disappeared" like so many other young princes in revolutions.
Hi VTH, I know that religion is a very touchy subject but Useful Charts did an AMAZING series on the biblical family tree from a historical perspective, including videos on the family tree of Adam to David as well as the kings of Israel and Judah. It was incredibly enlightening and I'd love to see you cover it on your channel. I understand if you don't want to open a can of worms in the content section, but the author is very careful to stick to the historical and archaeological record without getting into any sticky theology issues.
so now I want VTH to react to CGP Grey’s “Rules for Rulers” lol
King Larry. Quite cool i must say
Along with Princes Moe and Curly. Lol
A good and fun theory my dad always used to say was that George was adopted by the Washington family after being ousted from the royal family by his "brother" the King of Great Britain, only certain people knew he was the Kings brother and that's why some suggested he become King of America and he refused it to avoid the wrath of the monarchies in Europe. I always laughed at it but it's just fun to think about
a couple of things most in the lee family follow what Robert E Lee wanted when it came to monuments of the confederacy, you can read his letters in the digital archives but he said none should be built. Also, Robert E Lee IV has passed away back in 2020, so I can confirm that as a member of the Lee Family, I am Edmond J Lee's descendent which makes me 1st cousin 6 generations removed of Robert E Lee, Robert E Lee V is now in Virginia and there is a Robert E Lee VI both are alive and well.
As a Dane, I can't help thinking that "The House of Hansen" sounds cool ;-)
I have done genealogy on multiple lines and have always noticed that some lines have not very long lives and other ones the opposite. I'm thankfully part of a long line of long lived people. A couple early deaths, but luckily it was self-inflicted type stuff like drug abuse and alcoholism vs. disease.
Just found your channel. Great videos. Question - any video on Vietnam War?
Yay, I love Useful Charts so much!
Interesting to think about!
I love this stuff. Love useful charts.
My sister's found out through a genealogist that George Washington is our 9X great Uncle
Out of the three I kind of agree that the senior line seems like the most likely one that would’ve happened. I can understand the logic about the Mt. Vernon line but whose to say he would’ve been able to choose his successor? Obviously he was beloved and the fact there were so many people pushing him to be a king may indicate that he might have had the ability to choose an heir but who knows. Given that in general though monarchies are about the senior male heir, it would make sense for it to go to his senior nephew. Especially since it was a young nation and that going to a non-senior male may have possibly cause conflicts over who was the rightful king, so they probably would’ve wanted to avoid that and just go with the most obvious choice in terms of lineage.
The problem with this video is: It assumes the marriages would have happened as they did historically. But a royal House of Washington might have been inclined to marry into European royal houses or other higher status families. Thinking about their dynasty more than they did. The problems of hypothetical history. Its a fun idea though.
The video creator already pointed this out.
It does makes you wonder how radically different American society and politics would have been if they adopted a more british styled monarchy. Would that have meant feudal titles were a thing in US? Could we have dukes and counts of various cities and counties? How radically it would have altered the politics themselves? Like, I could imagine a future where Manifest Destiny and South vs North split still happened, but instead of the american civil war over seccession you got southern states backing a different claimant to the throne that was more supportive of slavery instead of abolition.
Its fascinating as hell that George custis, stepchild of Washington, lived long enough to have his photograph taken!
I think it would behoove us to consider if GW chose to begin a new monarchy, doesnt it make sense GW would have been influential in creating royal succession laws given no heirs and presumably distinctly different from English law that would benefit the Washington family or at least to GW's own desires? just a thought.
Great review. never thought of this before. one point of technicality, we are not even sure they would have used their baptismal names or chosen a regnal connotation. Of course, Bushrod and Spotswood would have definitely kept their unique and awesome names.
It would of been interesting if you rekindled your relationship with the British Monarch. to join the common wealth.
23:05 I grew up watching time team and I like Tony Robinson bc of that but I found that program where he tracked the guy down in Australia to be embarrassing really. Though it does illustrate the lengths to which the Tudors went to extinguish any Yorkist claimants. I am more of the Ricardian school of thought that Edward was legitimate but his children werent and this has a completely different line of alternative succession. Either way, Henry Tudor based his claim on conquest and parliament has since 1689 set the rules for succession to the thrown and the current monarch is the legitimate heir to Sophia of Hanover, designated as heir to Queen Anne by Parliament.
at the twlight last gleaming
I can understand him believing the green line the Mt Vernon line as the most legitimate line, because if this was a monarchy, GW would likely adopt someone similarly to how had been done in the past in England. Assuming that was allowed, and if so it's reasonable to think he would adopt the same person he chooses to leave a majority of his stake to.
The candle that burns twice as bright, burns half as long
Spotswood as a first name. I need to check if the local high school related to this.
Robert E. Lee IV died May 14th, 2020
Thanks for that update!
Vlogging Through History happy to help
There is one mistake in this chart and one important event that happened after the video posted
1. George Washington's paternal grandma died in 1701 at age 30 years old, that would be weird if george washington's grandma died at 110 years old
2. Robert E Lee 4/IV died back in 2020 if you were wondering if Robert E Lee 4 was still alive or not. I could'nt find the obituaries for the other descendents of Washington.
Hey can you react to " The great northern war" by extra credits I remember you said that u wanted to know more about swedish history and would be an awesome reaction!
I realize the narrator stated to keep the rest of history the same, but what would be different had Washington been made king? Jefferson bought the Louisiana territory so would that become part of the U.S.? Which regions would be part of the U.S.? How/when would slavery have been resolved under a king instead of a president? A lot of fun what ifs to consider.
I'm not looking through all the comments to see if anyone actually answered this. But as of when this reaction videos uploaded in 2021, no, Robert E. Lee IV had already passed away. I'm just posting this comment for anyone who sees this after.
If George Washington became king, then that means Great Britain and the United States would each have a King George at the SAME TIME! 😳
Heh heh, King Bushrod Washington. I wonder if their names would've been different in either of the two alternate realities.
This was definitely interesting
I’d also recommend AHH’s video on the topic cos while Useful Charts is just documenting this based on the names and evidence we have, AHH gives a much more realistic and general take on what would have happened if Washington had seen the Crown of America in the gutter and picked it up with his sword, so to speak.
Hey i know this video is a yar old at this point, but watching this, and knowing your wheel house is the civil war, it got me wondering, did anyone from the senior line serve in the civil war? It looks like Bushrod and James Washington would have been old enough
Bushrod, born in 1841 was in Battery D, 1 Illinois Light Artillery.
Imagine watching this and you see yourself on their and you didn’t know
I quite enjoyed some of the other videos in this series (for example the French one), but I guess they're probably hard to react to as the videos and explanations speak for themselves and hard for you to add value in the same way you typically do.
They also did a great video on who the tsar of Russia would be today.
In a sense the US has an elected monarch with a limited term of office.
The surname Warner originates in Leicestershire, not far from Loughborough.
Found out a while back I'm related to George Washington through General Lee. Then I saw this video a while back and jokingly said, "I am a Prince." So now all my friends joke about how I now make sense, and jokingly call me Prince Zachary.
Got the time to watch the vid.
I've said often, that the only good thing about having a "King", is that you know exactly where to point your finger when things go bad.
According to a comment on the original video, Brynda Hansen is aware of her heritage.
King of America or King of USA?
Just North America or both North and south America??