Too many people pay too much attention to vocal minorities and make the mistake of using those "vocal minorities" as representative of the fanbase. It's happened with a lot of fandoms, "genwunners" in Pokemon, furries in Undertale and weeaboos in anime-related stuff
>You're not playing wrong unless you're a certain bald Norwegian Kek Real shit though, at least with the people I've experienced and from my actions in the past, it is definitely mostly joking. There are definitely people who are serious when they call people casuals or insult people, but they aren't as common as it would seem.
I think the Fire Emblem community in general is pretty friendly, anyone saying otherwise are not involved in it, or are not used to other communities. I challenge you to go through the comment section of a somewhat popular FE RUclipsr, or simply a stroll down the Fire Emblem subreddit and count how many negative/hateful/toxic comments you encounter in the span of 20 minutes, and I’ll promise you it won’t be many. Compared to some of the other communities out there, Fire Emblem is extremely welcoming and friendly. The Heroes community is a tad worse, but that’s a different game and doesn’t really deserve to be lumped in with the main one.
Mangs it's more of when you do encounter some toxic fan who just hates for some dumbass reason, It may not be the majority but it's still a lot and we argue over things that shouldn't matter both sides not just one
Mangs Too bad there isn't big FE RUclipsrs besides PheonixMaster and Abdullah (if you consider him one), besides, the only FE game that most people is playing is Heroes.
Mangs The Heroes community is a tad worse? sorry Mangs, gotta disagree with you there, the FEH subreddit is ALOT friendlier than the main sub and i will actually atest to it. Granted its alot more meme-happy as well but that shouldnt be a negative (also hey Heroes does deserve to be lumped in with the main series). No offense meant by of this to peeps who frequent the main sub.
"Imagine how dull this series would become if all Intelligent Systems did was repackage the same things because the fanbase enjoyed those same things" This sounds like Pokémon to me
Nicolò Enrico Rimoldi Also, Sun and Moon was decent, though it felt like they split it in two parts, one coming one day less than a year after the other.
In almost 20 years they added around 900 Pokémons, but almost a third of those come from the first two gens. They added abilities and that's the biggest thing, then special/physical split. And that could easily have been done as soon as gen 2 but nope, they did it on gen 4. Gen 6 had mega evos, but they are useless or completely overpowered without a good reason. Z moves are just glorified bijous.
I hate to admit it, but I've generalized large portions of the fanbase from comment sections where people are saying how they want the series to die or they want the next game to be cancelled and all that. I love playing (almost) all of the FE games whether it be new or old, but it's important to be open to criticism. I don't see why many people in the fanbase have to argue with one another based on what game they were introduced by since more fans equals more sales, and more sales equals more games.
I was one of the fellows who joined this community with Awakening. However, since that Christmas back in 2013, I've gone and fallen in love with the franchise. 90% of the youtubers that I watch are FE-tubers, and I've bought every English localised game, and beaten them (even the ridiculously expensive Tellius games), as well as played translated roms of all the Japan-only releases. 15 games are a lot, and if I'm being honest here, I can now see why so many loathe or love Awakening. I bought Fates, all three paths, and even shot myself in the foot with the stupidly overpriced DLC of Echoes. If I had to be honest, my favorite games are probably Sacred Stones, Genealogy of the Holy War, and Echoes. I like all of them, and Gaiden was the only one that I really didn't enjoy as much, but that was mostly due to slow ui, and clunky...well...everything. Thankfully, Echoes fixed all that, and made itself one of my favorites. Not to say that it has no flaws, but...whatever. I've rambled on enough. TLDR I'm an Awakening Baby who went back and actually enjoys the older games, too, a lot.
Damn the tellius games are too expensive for me. I either want to emulate them or wait for a rerelease. Correction this applies to POR because i actually found RD for 40 bucks.
Samuel Martinez oh yes... i was thaught when i was little by playing games like jak2 and commandos 3.... now i enjoy games like darkest dungeon and dark souls...
Honestly when talking about Fates, the fanbase throws up an amazing amount of bullshit, like with Corrin. I agree about Corrin not being the best character in the series (then again, there is only one Joshua) but saying they get no development is objectively wrong.
Starwars Fanboy Realizing that things can't always go as you planned, expecially in war, is a good development in my opinion. I mean, at least they changes... Unlike boring lords like Roy, Lyn and Chrom who stays the sane throughout the entire game (Props for Robin cause even if he doesn't change that much, he is snarky and funny in his supports)
I'd say this whole "salty environtment" is because of humans resenting negatives more than enjoying the positives; but I'm not referring to the opinions about the games, but the opinions people have about each other. If most fans think FE4's story should receive a Nobel prize but I believe it's narrative is a complete mess and deserves a 5/10, due to people perceiving my opinion as negative I'll be seen as a "double negative", not to mention certain "belief circles" will perpetuate opinions. That being said, the FE fanbase is rather tame, they tend to overreact, but I'm yet to see someone being abused.
The game starts by info dumping the player and throwing portraits and names, all without context, making it hard to remember everything, so it's both pointless and overwhelming. It goes on with monologues and static portraits, the latter of which wouldn't be much of an issue it it weren't for how disconnected some characters are from their portraits. My favorite example is Arvis, the well intentioned tyrant who was manipulated, but looks like a smug jackass in both of his portraits. Monologues in general are unnatural and more difficult to remember due to lacking a direct connection with what's going on, for example, a conversation is easy to keep track of because it's a character interaction, but unless a monologue has received a build up (like a character explaining something to itself just to feel reassured after it's life has been thorned apart) it won't work. This is specially hurtful because of FE4 being a drama, it might have epic elements, but at it's core is about it's characters struggles. Other related issue is in how the information is handled: backstory is kept in the manual and events, such as Kurth's death, are mentioned in the monologues or conversations, again, without a proper build up. In truth, important things for the plot, such what happened between Byron, Reptor and Langobalt, as well as what happened to Deirdre's mother, wouldn't be clear, or even remembered, to me at all if it weren't for summaries in the internet.
The story is made of the script (what there is) and the narrative (how it's told). I agree that FE4's script is pretty good, it's how the game tells it that bothers me, but I wouldn't change anything besides the narrative. My favorite story is also Echoes', it feels really natural, Blazing Blade is pretty close due to being much more personal than most FEs.
Agreed. The delivery is all over the place, incredibly dry in many places and almost all of the character development is locked behind easily missed hidden conversations and supporting material outside of the game. While I liked a lot of the subplots, I hated pretty much every villain that wasn't Travant or Arvis. Most important people in Jugdral, especially in Gen 1, are portrayed as irredeemable monsters or hopeless cowards with no little sign of depth. Except for the Loptyr cult, who just happened to be masterminds who somehow gained control over the world behind everyone's backs? I get that the focus is on big, overarching world story, but so much of it was contrived or just told to the player with very little show. Travant was awesome, but I didn't find much else compelling about the game's delivery.
The main argument against the FE fanbase is how divided the community is. Old and new are very seperated, which is only strengthened in other people's eyes by some vocal minorities not wanting to accept either old or new (usually new). From my experience the community is actually very friendly. The Heroes community is a saltmine when it comes to summoning though, but honestly, that's to be expected.
I think the FE fanbase can best be summarized as an overly critical and protective parent. People expect a lot out of the franchise, so when a game doesn't deliver and fails to meet their expectations, they're disappointed and complain about how they wanted more out of the experience. Similar to how a parent (well a good parent anyway) only wants what's best for their children, so they may be show tough love or be more strict which is the exact opposite of what a teenager might want, looking for more independence. Fire Emblem fans only complain as much as they do because they care too much, they love this series too much. Parents are the same way, they wouldn't show concern over their children if they didn't care.
The truth of the matter is that it’s a lot easier to nitpick things we love (or at least want to love) than it is to point out all the things we enjoy. Plus it comes from a desire to understand what we like or don’t like and why. At least, when it comes from the right place. And I think most of the vocal community comes from this place. There are obviously a few exceptions who have adopted a personal mission to hate on specific aspects or games with their whole being, but they shouldn’t be taken as representing the whole.
Prett much agree 100%. As a Star Wars fan I know that our fan community has the same problems with most fans coming off as haters when in actuality it's just the fans holding the franchise to a higher standard and being disappointed when the product is sub-par runs too far with bad ideas. Also i unironically use the term "Awakening babies", fite me.
I mostly agree with everything you said except for the fanbase being critical I see so many people bashing titles (mostly the modern ones) and Bashing ≠ criticism. Bashing is hating on the game for the sole purpose of hating on it and upsetting the people who do like that title in the series. Being critical respects the people who like said title and helps improve future games For example, I will use a game like fates because it gets alot of flack (both deserved and undeserved) There's a difference between saying "lol fates bad" and "fates has a bad story and characters have one note personalities" the first one does not acknowledge why fates disappointed alot of people and just says it's bad with no supporting evidence and is said for the purpose of being destructive towards the fans, the latter statement acknowledges where fates is lacking in while at the same time respecting those who enjoy the game, it also gives the company tips for improving future games in the series.
I was playing some Fire Emblem games before Awakening, but that's when I 'joined' the fandom, and I think we are hundreds of miles better than we were then. Around the time of release of 15 (Echoes), things seemed to cool down somewhat, but there is still a very long way to go. While it's presented with a joking atmosphere, a lot of discussion of each game will garner snarky comments trying to be witty. Stuff like, "why do people dislike FE 7" will be met with something like "Uhh, HHM map whatever where you've got to protect the villain of 6 and recruit the worst unit in the game would like to say hi" and that's just unhelpful. It's deescalated from name calling and trying to gatekeep what being a fan means, but I don't think we've gotten to the point where two random people would automatically help each other out because one of them posted a question on the subreddit.
i personally think fe10 is underappreciated, but all your points have validity i enjoyed playing fates, but the fanservice was a bit much at times. also the fact that there were children characters made no sense and seemed shoehorned in just so corrin could bang that character that you love, whereas in fe4 and awakening it actually had a purpose in the story.
I mostly interact with the community on the heroes subreddit and the only negativity I ever see is in relation to not being allowed to post “low effort memes”, so it’s not even fe related negativity.
4:14 MarkyJoe touched on this point with relations to Kaga game flaws. He said they (generally) have terrible map design which I kind of agree with when you look at Gaiden and the needlessly large maps of FE 4. Or that early game map in Fe 3 book 2 where you have to go around this huge mountain and like 70% of the map is unused peak and cliff terrain. Stuff like that.
Funnily enough Kaga's map designs are pretty similar today if you check his most recent game Vestaria Saga. Most of the maps are pretty big, but instead of having a lot of empty space where nothing happens or having to backtrack, you typically have to go through most of the map since each map typically has different sections that make use of the size. Still has the big maps like FE4, but nowhere near as badly designed as FE4/Gaiden since he actually makes use of the size of the maps.
FE4 can't be judged as a normal Fire Emblem. If you tried to make it like you would something like Mystery or Binding Blade, you'd end up with a mess of a game with no real direction. If it didn't have huge maps, it just wouldn't work.
Honestly every fanbase has an annoying vocal minority, FE is no exception. It's not as bad as say the anime community tho where if you say you like SAO you'll get constant shit, you won't get near as much flak if you say you like Fates or Awakening in the FE community. I think Pokemon is about to go through a similar phase again, since the next main Pokemon game is apparently going to change up the battle style completely. I like every FE game and I don't particularly dislike any characters to the point of calling them shit like thots or w/e. The problem is when people bash others for simply liking a game or character, let people enjoy what they want. I'm excited for FE Switch, but I know there's going to be outrage no matter what it's about or how it's presented because there are people in the community who just cannot stand how FE has ''changed'' and how big the fanbase got with all the new people.
shallo mard I think Heroes honestly made the community alot more toxic, just look at how people reacted to Tharja and Camilla winning the voting gauntlets and how they reacted to the costumes characters like Nowi or Kagero got. So much false outrage because ''A character I don't like won a contest and this character is too sexualized.'' Then of course there's the people who bring up Fates/Awakening as much as they can to shit on it lol, there's nothing wrong with not liking a game but it's been 3+ years already since they came out lol. We get that their plot/characters/gameplay/etc wern't exactly perfect but all that shit is subjective anyway. To bring up SAO and the anime community like you did; it's like that Mother's Basement channel who still makes videos today about how shit SAO is and why you shouldn't like it.
I am relatively new to the fandom and series in general. I was introduced through Awakening, and have slowly made my way through more and more games, my perception of the series changing little by little with each entry I play. In addition my perception of the fandom itself has changed bit by bit as well. To make this simple... this is probably the best fandom I've ever been involved in, mind you I was a Sonic fan before so the bar is kind of low, and it's interesting to watch. It's a critical fandom, but everyone has a different view of the series being as every game is so wildly different, even if they do all have the same core gameplay. Really you can look to the communities perception of a single character like... say, Roy, as a sort of microcosm of the fandom as a whole. Everyone has a different perception of things and it makes for some interesting debate... or some not so interesting debate. It can't be denied that the "toxic elitists" people whine about do exist... but then you also have people doing all that whining so... you know. It's a weird community in a lot of way, but an enjoyable one all the same.
You aren't a real fanbase until every game in the series is considered the worst. Also holy fuck, the FE fanbase is nowhere near as bad as it gets. Sonic and Undertale say hi.
Andrew Kos As someone who got pretty deep in the Undertale fan base awhile back, I can safely say that it’s really not that bad. It’s mostly made up of some pretty chill people. Yeah, they can be pretty cringey, but there’s a cringey part of every fan base.
Until every game is the worst? Fun story, I looked up 'who is the worst lord in Fire Emblem' and found a GameFAQ's thread on it. The answer was every lord. All of them are the worst. Except Hector. Everyone loves Hector.
I think saying ANY fanbase is bad is really a stretch since when you aren't a part of that fandom you will rarely hear about anything but the bad ones. The only reason you hear that sort of stuff more about something like Undertale or Sonic communities is because they're so large that there's technically more people on the extreme end despite it most likely being a similar amount percentage wise.
I think a good portion of the criticism is warranted in most cases. For example, the Warriors examples you gave. However, a lot of people try to outright shut down any time someone's negative about any of the post-Awakening games and use Awakening's and Fates' sales as their justification, which is aggrevating, and makes the crotchity old veterans (I.E., me.) even more negative, especially when only a small part of the entire series get included in spinoffs that are made to celebrate the entire franchise, aside from Heroes.
Honestly the reason those 2 games sold well, is that they made way more advertisement for them as for the past entries. Like did Nintendo/Intelligent Systems think PoR, RD, SS, BB and the 3rd GBA Title sell super good by just throwing it out, well it looked like they thought that lol
I love Fire Emblem. I love arguing about Fire Emblem at 12 am. I just hate bias towards newer games, and bias towards old games. But, as a fan, I can enjoy Awakening for the gameplay, Blazing Blade for the story, and if the critism isn't mindless hating, its good.
Every fan has their own idea of what the series should be, and that can never be a negative thing. I think if anything the fan base is getting more positive because of Heroes and Echoes.
*The fire emblem fandom is probably one of the neutral fandoms that exist. Most fans, such as myself love the games, the characters, the songs, etc. We dislike unfair enemy crits and bad stat boosts. We usually don't mind haters as we are normally modest about our opinions. We main our favorites in smash bros and may get upset when our mains are called "marth clones". There are rarely if not ever any cringy fangirls who are toxic about the series, and come on man. We just like anime chess. At least we're better than most popular communities. The FE fandom is normally underrated for the stereotypical protagonist simps, but we love it. And that's fine.* ((edit: if I triggered anyone with my comment made nearly two years after this video, feel free to *Vantage 3 skill* my statement.))
Ah, yes. The old fans that hate the new ones, or like the anti-waifu bait against the whorship of waifu, or actual FE against Heroes and Warriors, or casuals vs the try-hard. -Just like in the Pokemon community- One thing we can all agree is that FE: Tokyo Mirage Sessions has been and will ever be the worst one.
Joshua Manjarrez Warriors could of been better in my opinion My critism of it is that if felt like there wasn't as much heart put into it as hyrule warriors despite few gameplay being a bit better though Nintendo warrior games are steal the weakest mosou games
Joshua Manjarrez when I first heard about Tokyo mirage sessions I thought it was going to be something along the lines of fire emblem combat but a crossover of Shin Megumi Tensei and Fire Emblem characters. From what I’ve seen in videos that was not it at all.
I started with Awakening, now there's only 6 games I haven't played just yet. Honestly, the fact that every game is a bit different and is good for different reasons is the main reason I love this series. Awakening allows me to see lots of supports easily, and the fact that you can break the game with pair up and children so easily if you choose to is just fun. I've also gotten to ch17 in lunatic+ with no grinding at all, which makes you play the game very differently and provided one hell of a challenge. Fates allows me to play modern FE with pair up without it being overpowered, and Conquest provides a challenge. The story is utter crap and there's lots more that annoys me, yet I still find ways to have fun with it. Echoes is absolutely gorgeous presentation-wise, and the large open maps with no weapon triangle allow you to form a long line of tanky units and either charge or hold your ground and let enemy ranks break against you, which is fun. Also Mila's turnwheel is a godsend. Blazing Blade provides the best tutorial, an interesting story, fixes the rng and same-turn reinforcements and is one of the best for replayability with both Eliwood and Hector's stories. I wish supports were easier to unlock, but this is still one of my favourites. Binding Blade feels like it's for those who find FE7 too easy. I mostly didn't like it for the basic story, same turn ambush reinforcements, Roy not promoting for ages, the overabundance of long range threats and the punishing and unpredictable gimmicks in side stories. And yet looking on forums I find people that love this game for the challenge and characters. If that's you, fair enough. I can understand why you like this game and I'm happy for you. I thought New Mystery of the Emblem was a huge improvement over Shadow Dragon, adding in supports really gave the characters life, and I love its glossary feature. I also quite liked the avatar's interactions with everyone and thought Katarina's story added to what is otherwise quite a basic one. It's a bit nicer to play than the gba games too due to its smooth user interface. I can more easily see the enemy stats, weapons and range. It's a nice compromise between FE7 and FE13. I'm hoping to play Genealogy of the Holy War and Path of Radiance in the next year or so. I've heard great things about the FE4's story and know it will be more of a challenge. I'm looking forward to seeing if and why I enjoy the game. And the music is amazing in every game. Everyone is different, and Fire Emblem is a rare treasure that has something to entice almost everyone. If someone asks me what the best Fire Emblem is, I'll list my favourites and why they're good and bad, and let them decide which one to play based on those reasons. It's in human nature to focus on negatives, but maybe there should be more talk about why we love each game.
I think being critical is good. Getting complacent makes developers lazy. I don't like the story in Fates at all, or its business practices (which got worse in echoes with a 45€ season pass that barely had anything of worth), but i still play it quite a bit. I like the dual system in that game and the skills, they also fixed balancing issues that awakening had (although it still has its share of broken mechanics). I don't feel like i quite fit in either archetype of awakening casual or old elitist fan. I started out with Shadow Dragon on the DS. I did not know what the hell i was doing because i had never played a strategy game seriously before, i would get lots of my units killed, and i never managed to beat the game until years later, after i played and beat awakening. After Fates, i started playing the older games, and i was mostly okay with most of them, except FE6 and RD. I like having casual mode as an option available, because sometimes i'm not in the mood or mindset to reset over having one of my units killed, but i can also enjoy the games that don't have that option.
Well said. I've always thought that constructive criticism is born out of love for the thing being criticized - that's how you work towards improvement after all. Mindless bashing is a very different being, and it's kind of sad that people get the two confused.
On both the subreddit and gamefaqs Ive ran into many people who give me a hard time for liking Awakening and hating Conquest, even though I started with the GBA games.
I have this problem that's more a meta complaint about people on the internet than it is with the FE fanbase within itself, and I don't really know who to complain to so I'm just gonna post it here. I am really glad that FE as a series has become more popular and that more people are at least getting into some aspect of the games, as there are many different things to enjoy. Unfortunately it just seems like as this fanbase grows, more complaints and accusations continue to get thrown at this huge multi-faceted group that assuredly do not all think as one monolithic entity. From Smash fans complaining about FE character representation, to twitter users blanketing FE fans as being annoying or elitist, the list just goes on for complaints levied at a fanbase from *outside* that very fanbase. I can't tell you how many times I see someone who has only ever played Heroes just because of their jpg lust (which sure even that is fine you're not hurting anyone by doing this) posting on twitter and getting flamed by non-fans going "wow FE fans have literally never talked to a girl before" or something of that nature. It's just been really annoying that I used to be able to just tell people "Oh I like FE games, here I recommend playing FE7 for the GBA first, I hope you enjoy them" to now you say you're an FE fan and you have to like, qualify yourself first. tl;dr I can't believe anyone would look at someone who says they're a fan of a 15 game series and somehow lump every single one of them together, yet it happens. No one does this to Final Fantasy fans or Mega Man fans etc. Which sucks because the actual FE community is generally pretty chill if you actually talk to someone who has played more than one game in the series.
I discovered the series through Awakening and loved it. I’ve played the GBA trilogy, Fates, Echoes, and Path of Radiance. Guess what? I loved all of them. I can understand the older fans disliking the newer games and vice versa, but I draw the line when one group hates the other just for the sake of creating conflict. I am very much a more casual FE player, but I do believe it is completely unnecessary to hate on one group of the fandom just because they like what you dislike.
Only recently got into Fire Emblem and am playing through the series, starting with Binding. I'm up to Path of Radiance. Can't wait to get to Awakenings and see what you're talking about. BTW, I've been using you for each game to help me choose my teams.
Fire Emblem has been my favorite franchise for twenty years now. Personally, I treasure the story/character aspect of Fire Emblem 100x more than I do simple strategy. I do really enjoy creating cool tactics though and imagining myself in the fight. However, I like realistic characters. I could not stand Fates for this reason. It was an enjoyable game, but it felt like an anime. Awakening on the other hand just felt like a sort of Disney Fire Emblem which is okay I guess. I enjoyed it quite a bit. At the same time though, some of the old games do not have enough focus on story as I would like. My favorite FE games are the ones that have realistic characters and an intriguing get story with decent gameplay (like I said I don't care if the strategy is lacking). For these reasons my favorite FE games are 4, Thracia, 7, Radiant Dawn, and Echoes. As for fans... Yeah. Our community is pretty horrid. Both sides hate certain games too much. Fates is my least favorite in the series, but it was still a Fire Emblem game. If you're truly going to call yourself a fan of Fire Emblem than you'll like anything it throws at you even just the slightest bit.
You'll learn to appreciate it though. You like all of your family members don't you? They may be annoying sometimes but you appreciate them right? I find it to be the same way here.
For me it is not really the same or can be compared, since there is people that legit don't like their dad/mom or any relative. I rather compare this with a restaurant and you noticing, if the cook is changing up the recipe of the dish you like and you critic him for that.
Kevinsky Haaz Eh the fan base isn’t bad at all. Most people are very nice and helpful, while there’s a small few on both sides who are complete jerks. But overall, we’re all pretty chill.
Personally I havent run into many people that seem even remotely negative. They all seem kinda nice to some extent. Though I will say I do dislike when people judge a game that isnt even out and I saw it a lot once Fates was announced despite almost anything having been said. And I find it kinda hard to just hate something. I mean Im not bothered by any of the "fanservice". Not even Camilla. But at the same time I dont blindly like anything related to FE. I mean I will say Geanology was so boring that it bored me out of the game in the first few minutes and I was REALLY trying to get into it.
While I think it's perfectly fine to criticize games that you're a fan of, a lot of fandoms I see, I just see criticism, with very little positives and I don't want that to happen to FE because I love this series and I want to see it improve, not a list of all the bad things while ignoring all the good.
Been playing Fire Emblem since '90, and still play it today. I play it on the hardest mode for fun every first run through to ensure I bring the most out of the game and myself, and that is what I enjoy. I will continue to keep buying, and playing this game out of my love for the game I used to play on Famicom when I was just a boy.
Coming back a year late but meh, this video had an interesting concept that I think I have some insight I don't see elsewhere in the commnets. My problem with the FE Community, and with MANY communities, is that people absolutely love to crap all over the franchise, ruining the face level enjoyment some people get, and go strictly under the scope of criticism. Now, this is 100% okay, but the issue is there's very little positive ever said by many of these people as they assume it's common knowledge. For example, up until recently the only things I ever heard while scrolling through the community stuff was people talking about how annoying FE4's maps are, but now that I've played it it's about ready to be my favorite game for reason that NO ONE ever seems to talk about. For example, I think FE4 has some of the most amazing gameplay in the franchise, and yeah sure it's a long game but outside of Chaz's FE4 Propaganda, I never really saw any positive discussion. You always see discussion about Fates, Awakening, some about Echoes and a bit about FE6 but I rarely ever saw anything about FE4's positive side besides people asking about the bad rumors. TL;DR - A lot of people don't know how to give criticism without sounding like they hate something. Fates has a terrible story but Conquest has some pretty awesome stuff going on Awakening is a broken mess but it has some interesting points in there and some of the most gorgeous visuals until Echoes. Echoes, my favorite game in the franchise at the moment, has terrible hit rates and bad map design, but it is gorgeous and it has some of the best characters around. FE4 has massive maps, which while I consider that a boon due to their purpose, I see why others find it intimidating. Its mechanics are tough to understand as well. Though its way of telling a story through gameplay and the shakspearian story of it all is one of my favorite combinations in all of gaming. While all this is opinions, I doubt they're too terribly controversial. The only FE Game I genuinely dislike is FE6 and I cannot give a good reason for disliking it. Something about FE6 just does NOT vibe with me right.
To be honest, I usually put the most weight into gameplay mechanics since characters/writing/etc. are pretty subjective. Plus, GameFaqs/Reddit/Serenes Forest/etc. aren't an accurate representation and I generally don't pay attention to it anymore. Otherwise, none of the characters in FE Warriors would be even in it and there would have been other characters from FE 4 or 5 instead.
I just hope that the next FE game gives you the option to turn off or on pair ups Honestly I'm kinda tired of pair ups I didn't like em in duel strike and I think that on paper it seems like a good idea but it can't be executed without breaking the game
Trainer Sun Fates somewhat balanced it, and I found it enjoyable, but I wouldn't want it to come back. I'm not sure how they can design a game to be played with and without pair ups however
I don't want it back. Fates made it better than Awakening, but it was still broken as shit. The closest thing to pair up I want to see is the rescue mechanic if anything
Since enemies like to put themselves in position to dual strike whenever possible, in addition to some crucial stat bonuses some units give when paired up, Fates chapters eventually just turn into "dual guard or just die". I say just dont bring it back at all, and just bring a modified Rescue back instead.
This was a great video and as usual, I agreed with a lot of criticisms I would add, such as 7 having most of its main characters being objectively bad and 9 having swords that hit like toothpicks while axes are extremely op
Ali BabaAhmed Exactly. There are not many FE games that can be put into categories with how they play. Most are different enough with their story gameplay and characters, they warrant their own category causing not much overlap with the games.
The dig on the bald Norwegian was very accurate. Mangs is the only one who plays it wrong- but he makes it work, because of his sheer love for Fire Emblem. Thanks, Mekkah, for spending so much of your time in trying to fix him. We can't tell any difference, but your efforts are appreciated.
Yeah that's pretty much true. I don't dislike people who like the new fire emblem games, I don't even hate all of the changes they made, but there's so much potential in the old games that's been passed over, it's hard not to feel sad about the game fire emblem could have been.
As someone who's a huge fan of both Fire Emblem and Star Wars, I completely agree with your thoughts about franchises that make drastic changes to the way their property is handled.
Despite FE4 being my favorite game of all time, I admit that i only found it because of awakening being so approachable. It's important to recognize the vanity of your own opinion and recognize the fact that other people are simply different from you. Attack the thing you disagree with andnot the people who support it. I.e, It's okay to dislike the recent burst of fanservice, I despise it, but I'm not going to attack the people who don't dislike it. Also, every game is imperfect. I recognize that I only like fe4 because It has things that I, as an individual, appreciate. Now, someone else, who doesnt like things in Fe4, are totally right in saying it sucks. Don't let the opinions of others force you into a defensive outburst
Well I started with fates then played awakening and then echoes. Then I played genealogy, sword of seals and shadow dragon. I am currently playing fe7. And I have to say that no fe game I played so far was bad. They where all good in its own ways. My favourites would be fe14 and fe4. But I REALLY enjoyed the others too.
well, i'm gonna say that people gets very sensitive when people critize things very harshly and pretty much say that the game they like is perfect, the only thing that i dislike of the community is the fact that they can't take criticism or take it and anylize if it is true, an example is the plot holes on echoes and everyone call it a good story, i mean you can like it (tastes are just tastes) but if you defend that kind of errors you are just very sensible
Elian IMO Echoes was the lowest point in the series. The characters were pretty boring (aside from Luthier and Leon), the gameplay sucked, terrible map designs, and it feels like Echoes gets a free pass as opposed to Awakening and Fates.
I’d like to think of myself as one of those fans who finds enjoyment in all of the games but is still very critical of them. Now I haven’t played every single game in the series as emulators are a bit tough to find, but I’ve played enough to recognize what I like about the series and still remain critical of flaws :) Anyways, great video!
Fire Emblem Awakening was my first Fire Emblem game, it will always be my favourite game no matter what title comes out or what title is already out. Do I think this game is flawless? No, I think it has many flaws and contradictions. Does it make me like the game any less? Absolutely not. Each time I revisit awakening it’s like traveling back in time (no pun intended,) I still get that thrill in the beginning and melancholy at the end. I just genuinely like the game as a whole, no matter who tells me Awakening is a sh!t game.
With the way the FE community is more open to being critical and acknowledging certain aspects of the games it makes the fandom a lot better than how the Pokemon community is nowadays due to many pokemon loyalists being unable to cope with the new criticisms and unable to accept the fact there is anything wrong with Sword and Sheild
I think fans of things (this applies to pretty much every fandom) tend to take it overly personally when something they love is criticised. I can definitely understand having a personal connection to something and not liking it when people hate on it though. One of the main reasons why I love FE4/5 is because of all the references to Celtic mythology, as I'm Irish and the stories referenced in the game are the same ones I grew up with. So when someone is critical of it, even if I know they're right, it's hard not to take it a little bit personally. But in the end, everyone's entitled to their opinion, and having a negative opinion on a game you like isn't a personal attack on you.
i started with FE7 around the time it first came out and since then I have completed 6-15 and played at least some of 1-5. Fire Emblem is absolutely my favorite series, but I did not enjoy Fates (even though I actually liked Awakening). Even so, there are still some things about Fates I did like, such a lot of the music in later chapters, and the additional personal skills. Even if there are some games fans don't like as much as others, I'd still say that there are things that fans should be able to agree that each Fire Emblem does well
It's a good video with some exeptional points. Good work, like to see these videos the most despite I enjoy your gameplay ones regardless if I've played the game or not. Can't wait to see more stuff as always Mekkah! Mekkah random question for ya. Seth can solo a shit ton of chapters but sigurd can solo his whole part basically. Whats the difference in your opinion? (Hopefully its not just serh can do more cause higher chapter cause thats obvious haha)
I think its good that the FE community has a "critical" attitude towards its games. It makes more fun to analyze games and see what they did wrong and right, instead of just taking them as they are and not saying anything.
0:37 We do? 2:08 Pair up guides for Fire Emblem Awakening and Fates disagree. 3:00 Every Fire Emblem game tries to do something different in each game, and that is fine as it adds variety. 4:00 Radiant Dawn favors the older characters in comparison to the newer characters, but the third tier is a nice addition, and I'm glad they brought it back with over classing in SoV. 4:50 Agreed, re-classing to get different skills in Fates was great, hopefully they will make it easier with the arts system that SoV has. 5:16 I became concerned about Fire Emblem when we got Fates after Awakening. Awakening was great with the new mechanics, my problem was with the copy and pasting of several characters and character types from Awakening into Fates (ex: returning characters Owain, Inigo and Severa, plus copy and paste character types like Tharja and Rhajat). Every Fire Emblem has their problems, and everyone has their own opinions of the games. 6:51 Agreed 6:57 How to make the most money: Split the game into 3 parts and make the players buy each part individually. 7:30 I got Warriors, now I'm just waiting for that sequal.
Ask any Pokémon fan what their ranking of the games are and you'll get something like this. Best: Gen 3 / Gen 4 / Gen 5 Meh: Gen 6 / Gen 7 Bad: Gen 8 (I think the only group of people this isn't true for are the VGC crowd) Classics: Gen 1 / Gen 2 (Tolerance for older graphics is a big factor in enjoyment and makes them hard to rank) Ask any Final Fantasy fan what their ranking of the games are and you'll get something like this. Best: FF6 / FF7 Good: FF4 / FF9 / FF10 / FF12 / FF15 Meh: FF8 Bad: FF2 / FF11 / FF13 Classics: FF1 / FF3 / FF5 (Again tolerance for older graphics is a big factor in enjoyment) MMO: FF14 (Kind of it's own thing) Well these lists could have some mild tweaks made to them none of them have any egregious hot takes. And certainly none of the games are more than a tier from where they belong. Meanwhile in Fire Emblem you'd be lucky to get people to agree on where one of the games go.
Mekkah, please share this in other Nintendo communities. The amount of vitriol people get from defending the fanbase there is astonishing. Your arguments are well crafted and can possibly sway naysayers of this community so please share this wherever you can.
I pretty much agree with all those "basic criticisms" of each game, except the bit about FE9 and 10's map animations since 1: I don't play with map animations unless I've failed a chapter so much that I just want to get it over with and 2: I don't mind long battle animations. So my criticism of FE10 that pretty much everyone agrees with would be: "the parties are badly balanced." Who's idea was it to put all the bad units in Micaiah's party and put all the good units in Ike's? AND also give Micaiah the hardest chapters. Radiant Dawn is still my second favourite FE, but I still agree with this criticism. (Also "Wyvern Riders are too good", but that repeats FE8's one)
4:48-4:53. That is totally me. Unpopular opinion here, but as much as I like FF7 Negative growths. I would actually like to watch Mekkkah play Fates on his channel (route doesn't matter). I just think it would be neat to see how Mekkkah would do in a blind Fates playthrough (sorry if my assumption of you not playing Fates is untrue); as I have just finished a Lunatic Conquest run with help from Pitfalls and so thanks for helping me become a better player. I know you dislike Fates but I think it would be neat to watch you play it.~
My favorite FE is Sacred Stones and my buddies always say it is trash because it it one of the easiest FE's, but then I say FE4 (my friend's favorite) was so boring I wanted to off myself. Really just joking around but i think that preferences on which type of game you like in a franchise shouldn't make the whole community 'bad', just opinionated.
It's just a meme but I see your point. Also, every single FE game's plot has been scrutinized though FE7 and FE10 are easier pickings due to trying a new plot and therefore having some inconsistencies due to writer's inexperience. That doesn't necessarily mean those two games have inferior and less enjoyable plot compared to the other classic titles. Not to mention a lot of the criticism of the plots in those games, especially FE10, exagerate some of the flaws and ignore/misinterpret some of the writing.
I think a lot of the divide can be attributed to the way Intelligent Systems has treated this franchise over the years. We're constantly reminded of how Fire Emblem was going to be axed if Awakening didn't sell well enough, so every time they release a new game, we can feel their hand getting ready to pull the plug. As such, some of us feel like we have to be critical of every new release, as not to guide the franchise down a dead end. I wouldn't say it's an "unhealthy" trait to have in a community, in fact, I think it's healthy for the circumstance we're in -- it's just the fact that we're in such a place to begin with is what leaves us feeling bitter sometimes. Whether or not IS intended to, I feel like they've guilt tripped us and we're all still recovering from it. However, with the success of Fire Emblem Heroes, I'm actually very positive about the future of the franchise. Disparage it if you must, it's clearly showing IS how much people really care about the series, and to go even further, how much we can care about even the older games and their characters. I think FEH will inform their decisions for some time to come.
I think people as a whole are generally pretty vocal about things they view negatively and that just gets amplified by the internet and then again by fanbases. The most passionate, descriptive things I can write aren't about things I love, but about things I hate, especially popular things I hate. And I don't think I'm alone in that, so as the number of people in any given forum rises, the number of potential rants on any given subject rise with them.
I would not call myself a fan of fire emblem for a very specific reason, but I do really like the series. The problem is in a group, only the loudest, worst people are heard. No one talks about those normal people who like Rick and Morty, only the dumbasses who raided McDonald's. Fire Emblem's fan problem is a mixture of the problem above and bad communication. People who were complaining about Phoenix mode were really stupid for even getting mad at that when it was optional. I genuinely don't understand how people can get mad about that. Because they give that as an optional thing for the strategically challenged who just want to do the story? I almost always pick classic anyway, so it made no effect on me, and despite doing casual Lunatic+ In awakening, never did I consider Phoenix mode in Fates as that kills all the challenge for me. But I didn't care that it was an option. A lot of people like to say games like Sacred stones shouldn't allow you to grind, but again, all of this is optional stuff you can choose to do. Of course, you don't need to grind in sacred stones, it's super easy unless you are on the harder difficulties, which in that case it's an actual challenge. But leaving the option for those who aren't as good at the game is something I would recommend just so they don't get left feeling soured by their experience. That said, all the problems I addressed are bad communication. The people who personally think phoenix mode sucks (I'm in that camp), some made it sound like it was a game breaker that ruins the ENTIRE game. Fates had way more issues to make that seem like an eyedrop anyway. When people say you shouldn't grind, that ends up sounding elitist simply because some people just aren't good enough to beat sacred stones with a Seth only run. The moment you say they should "Git Gud" you prove my point. But even these people are a minority of the people who play the game. The Silent majority barely cares about any of this shit, it's just the squeaky wheels making everyone else look bad. 10,000 people can be amazing, wonderful people, but the one guy who terrorizes McDonalds workers is the only one anyone cares about. That's just reality.
my critic to fe12 it is not kris, but rather that they had prepared the game better than shadow dragon and never got outside japan, ironically kris was like a patch for the dificulty of some part of the game, imagine a patch that make him not an avatar and with fix growths. but the same critics could be with a lot of games, fans loves the game but it is like a secret that not everyone could play the same, not because the player but for the developers.
As a relately new fan of fe I find most of the community very nice. And even if you love a game you should still be critical of it, as in my opinion it makes me appreciate the things the game does right even more.
I for one can be negative at times, and I fully admit I'm not a big fan of some entries of the series. But it's not just a blanket "KAGA GOD NEW GAEM DUM" for me. I don't particularly like Fates, but I was introduced through Awakening- my favorite game winded up being Thracia 776. In my experience, other fans I'm close to (and myself) critique the games because we love the series and want it to be the best it can be. We talk about the entries we love and why we love them, but we also talk about the ones we're not so big on and why we don't love them- and when we differ in our opinions, we discuss it. No, the fanbase isn't perfect, but show me one that is.
I honestly used to not like Awakening due to Robin, but watching Mangs' old playthrough of it made me enjoy the game a bit more. Fates the only things i would like to see is how the game would've been with Leo/Takumi as the main characters. I'm all for self insert characters but don't make them steal the spotlight from everyone. Idk about how Kris is but the best game with a created character i've played is White Knight Chronicles. They make you the assistant of the main character and you follow and help with his journey but you don't impact it to the point where you take all their shine away.
Also, I just really love sprite art and 3D models (even good 3D models) don't do it for me, so I just naturally have some reluctance towards the newer games. Dark Deity has flaws, yes, but its sprite work is gorgeous and destroys any idea that sprites are "obsolete".
I never played any gire emblem prior to blazing sword being my first then sacred stones, awakening, and birthright i love them and i seen gamrplay of the older ones and loved them as well
Fire emblem is one of the few fan bases where you can write an entire essay about one character and have an intelligent discussion about it and that’s why I love it. The heroes sub is a bit much for me, and I don’t care for fates but I love the fandom.
My one and ONLY problem with the FE Emblem fanbase is the overexaggerated and unnecessary hate against Awakening and Fates SPECIFICALLY. Now hear me out on this one, if you already saw this a million times then feel free to ignore my comment: FE awakening and Fates were no where near as bad as some people make it out to be, yes there were many missed opportunities and yes the stories are pretty weak. But you cannot dent that they are still enjoyable games with many and MANY positives about them such as Awakening literally being the saving grace to the franchise, the characters were a delight, the gameplay was really good in Fates and fixed the issues in Awakening’s broken combat, and the devs TRIED. If you look at Awakening and Fates they probably put more effort into Awakening and Fates than any other Fire Emblem game, just look at how different Awakening and Fates are, the combat has improved, the animations had improved, the characters are actually better (save for a few), and if you look at the actual intentions of the stories Fates actually had a better story. No doubt they tried everything they could to make Fates better than Awakening in every way possible and yeah there may have been some that Fates fail to accomplish but it did do better than Awakening in many of what it offered. Now that’s not to say that Awakening is worse than Fates, Awakening does have a better Avatar (honestly Robin is awesome and actually has more character than Chrom, Chrom is awesome and all but in my opinion Robin shines brighter in terms of personality just look at his numerous supports and see how many different emotions Robin has, compared to Chrom’s limited but same straight forward personality with very few different expressions), their support conversations are better, it’s game filled with Easter eggs, and it had better children (and also made more sense and more fitting than Fate’s deeprealm idea which is...honestly stupid as hell) they’re far from perfect games and they’re definitely not better than most off the Fire Emblem, (seriously the games before Awakening was Shadow Dragon and New Mystery of the Emblem which to be honest they weren’t good not horrible but I would rank Awakening and Fates higher than those two) but they are better than some. From what I’ve seen the biggest reason why people hate Fates and Awakening is that it’s too animeish and the supports make it seem like Waifu Emblem and I will say...I do not blame you for thinking that but that doesn’t mean that’s what makes it s bad game, the characters are good and are in no way terrible, hell even Camilla, Tharja, and Charlotte aren’t terrible characters, Tharja is completely capable of loving a character that isn’t Robin and she has a heart even if on the outside she can be a total bitch but she still has somewhat of a caring side as shown with Nowi, Camilla is an older sister only being younger than Xander SHE CARES she genuinally cares and even though she is mostly shown with fan service and such but her actual character is almost always ignored even when she was shown in Warriors where she was literally at her best and she was still hated for because of her fan service in Fates, and Charlotte my god she had more fan service than Camilla but she is by far the most tamed and the best gold digger there is to offer she might be able to switch quickly from a fragile and sweet girl to a violent bitch but she has a big heart and seeing her actions when she is Corrin’s wife she is someone who can very easily be misunderstood yes she may be 100% fanservice and yes she is very easily forgotten and over looked because of her not being a main character and a character that doesn’t come with a child but Charlotte has one of the more interesting backstories and better hearts than most characters despite her bitchy moments. They’re not bad characters with Tharja being ranked decent and Camilla and Charlotte ranked good in my book they do not deserve the hate that they get (Tharja I get but she still gets too much). Yes they were clearly designed to be Waifu characters and yes I can understand why people would think that Awakening and Fates are nicknamed Waifu Emblem, but I will say this THEY. ARE. ONLY. MINOR. NEGATIVES. They take the marriage system too deep into account and they over hate the games because of it, the supports are literally what they are to the game supports, are they needed no, are they a big part of the game yes, do you have to do them no. Look at the earlier Fire emblems and ECHOES you can go through the entire game without seeing a single support possibly going through it with seeing about 3 supports at most (I know I didn’t see the supports that much at all when I played through Echoes) some would say “that’s good no more of that Waifu shit” but that would take away a lot of the possible character developement that the characters would have, do you have any idea how much hate Faye gets and would’ve been fixed if she wasn’t limited to 2 supports and it was only with Silque and Alm, I wanted to see Faye support with Celica, and Tobin, and Gray, and Kliff, possibly even Clair and Sonya but no she was limited to 2 people and her character was hurt because of lack of development. Do I think supports are needed yes it would help build up characters better. Did Awakening and Fates do their job with that? Yes. Is it a perfect system? No but it’s a system that could work and a system that needs some tweaking to perfect but it was broken system still enjoyable and developed the characters well. Awakening and Fates are bad games and they’re far from the worst, neither are they bad Fire Emblem games and to be honest Fire Emblem was always animeish some may say that the characters acted more realistic in the older ones which I never understood what they meant by that especially since there are some anime’s that do tend to act more realistic in terms of characters and situations, they’re uncommon but that doesn’t mean there’s a norm to how anime characters act. Awakening and Fates get WAY TOO MUCH hate than they deserve and after seeing how some of the Fanbase treated Fire Emblem Warriors I damn near got cancer just reading the toxic and hate filled comments, and Heroes is no better with the voting gauntlets and character variants and costumes. And they’re all still great games but unfortunately their connection to Awakening and Fates can cause a huge encyclopedia of hate comments about the character or even game for that matter and I don’t think Awakening and Fates deserves that much especially since the Dev teams really did work hard on those to make them the best they could.
People just take shit way too seriously these days, just be glad the series didn't end with Awakening like it was suppose to but instead has becoming one of Nintendo's top titles and has produced several spin-offs already. I don't really care if someone hates a certain game or character, it's when people defend the censorship and cuts to the games under the guise of localization. I get cultural differences and whatever but everything that's in the original Japanese game, whether it's character personalities/side features/outfits/etc, should be in every other version of the game. Localization should only translate the dialogue and add in voices, not censor shit because ''it's not appropriate for the West and think of the kids.''
I think the situation with the Fire Emblem community is a bit similar to what many are getting wrong about the Star Wars community right now. Lots of people characterize anyone who criticizes the new movies as simple haters who are never satisfied, but more often than not, they are the ones who love Star Wars the most and only want the best from the series.
I think the fanbase is positively critical but negative in how they enforce their criticisms because as you stated each game has its flaws and perks so picking out a particular one and spewing the same reason over and over as to why one game is "bad" with no further criticisms good or bad can be seen as hostile. I do think people with the new fire emblem games are a bit too critical of "playstyle" because that is of course the individuals choice you can't make someone play classic over casual and silly stuff like that does NOT make a fire emblem game bad. The criticisms are more often born of love for the series rather than actually hating it.
i think a fanbase that can see the flaws in what they follow are much better than one that doesn't critisice anything and hates on people that do - like in the pokemon fanbase
I wasn't aware of Fire emblem until Awakening, i remember seeing the trailer and thinking "God this advert is bad, i gotta look this game up" then i bought awakening after some research and have enjoyed the 3 most recent ones but i am still yet to go fully through any of the previous fire emblem games. I am a big fan of Tactical RPG's and i am glad to be a part of the FE community, even if i haven't played as many of the titles as others within it there is a lot to enjoy from the games and people who play these games as if this community was so terrible i would have never wanted to be a part of it. You have to take the sweet with the sour sometimes and with the FE community the sour can be strong but the meal is too sweet to pass.
People who can't take facts and think their opinions don't matter are usually the ones to try and smear hate in the fire emblem community. While there are people defending or arguing certain subjects but their tone and diction changes the atmosphere to give the idea of an 'elitist.' We all nees to just stop taking these judgements as personal attacks and im trying to better myself by not coming off as harshly when i talk about the things i really dislike. But yeah, good video and an important topic
I know this is an old video, but I figured I might as well add my two cents. I imagine part of the resentment on the part of "old players" comes from the natural reaction that anyone has when a large number of newcomers enter your home, neighborhood, country, or fandom. You love this place, and you hate the idea that it might one day stop looking like the place you love and grew up with. So, naturally, you are suspicious and critical of the newcomers. If there were just a few of them, they would have to play by your rules and respect your traditions, but with so many of them, they might be able to force your place to change to suit them.
Being an older FE fan... I'm in my 40's, not that I'm only a fan of the older games. I don't see the difference between the FE fandom and the fandom of any long-running video game franchise, movie franchise or TV series. Eventually, it becomes popular/cool for the original fans to hate on, make fun of, or leave the fandom. FE isn't special in this phenomenon. I still enjoy the games for what they are, and I don't care that a lot of people hate on the new games. I know that will always happen no matter how amazing or terrible the new games will be. There are a lot of other things to worry about in life besides negative FE fans.
You're making this difficult, I liked Fire Emblem until they crit my unit at 1%.
Ryan Keenan
Well, 1% is 1%.
Ryan Keenan SAFETY WORD
Ok so everytime you get frozen in pokemon u have to stop playing it
Jeremiah peters Gen 1 Frozen too
Joshua Manjarrez
Doesn't true hit factor in for crit rate ?
Too many people pay too much attention to vocal minorities and make the mistake of using those "vocal minorities" as representative of the fanbase.
It's happened with a lot of fandoms, "genwunners" in Pokemon, furries in Undertale and weeaboos in anime-related stuff
Arnau Puig
Though you should never confused actual critism with straw man's
Except genwunners were right all along.
Honestly what I love about heroes is that it manages to somehow bring together the fandom yet it divides it at the same time
*Nervously waits impatiently on the next fire emblem heroes update for a red unit Priam.*
@@i.fe-ssbu6622 This aged very well.
Can we all just take time to appreciate Fire Emblem's music? You may or may not like x game, but damn each game has so many godlike tracks
@greatexplosionmurdergoddynamight Id (Purpose) from Awakening
>You're not playing wrong unless you're a certain bald Norwegian
Kek
Real shit though, at least with the people I've experienced and from my actions in the past, it is definitely mostly joking. There are definitely people who are serious when they call people casuals or insult people, but they aren't as common as it would seem.
Hederbomb
When warriors was releasing trailers I saw more people called elitist then casuals funnily enough
@@Starwars-Fanboy welp
Tbh Koei/Omega Force is starting to wane in their quality nowadays
I think the Fire Emblem community in general is pretty friendly, anyone saying otherwise are not involved in it, or are not used to other communities. I challenge you to go through the comment section of a somewhat popular FE RUclipsr, or simply a stroll down the Fire Emblem subreddit and count how many negative/hateful/toxic comments you encounter in the span of 20 minutes, and I’ll promise you it won’t be many. Compared to some of the other communities out there, Fire Emblem is extremely welcoming and friendly. The Heroes community is a tad worse, but that’s a different game and doesn’t really deserve to be lumped in with the main one.
Mangs it's more of when you do encounter some toxic fan who just hates for some dumbass reason, It may not be the majority but it's still a lot and we argue over things that shouldn't matter both sides not just one
Mangs
Too bad there isn't big FE RUclipsrs besides PheonixMaster and Abdullah (if you consider him one), besides, the only FE game that most people is playing is Heroes.
I've been in worse fandoms, and FE's few toxic parts will never come close to those. Thank god for that.
Fe4 and fe5 community to new players get gud
Mangs The Heroes community is a tad worse? sorry Mangs, gotta disagree with you there, the FEH subreddit is ALOT friendlier than the main sub and i will actually atest to it. Granted its alot more meme-happy as well but that shouldnt be a negative (also hey Heroes does deserve to be lumped in with the main series). No offense meant by of this to peeps who frequent the main sub.
Also we should focus on the positives more often. Like the MUSIC. The music in practically all the games is good. Try telling me otherwise.
That1Valentian I am physically unable to disagree
Very true
agreed
That1Valentian So true that and Marty is the best unit ever.
That1Valentian for the sake of being a troll I tried to think of music that isn't good but nothing came to mind. Ya got me
"Imagine how dull this series would become if all Intelligent Systems did was repackage the same things because the fanbase enjoyed those same things"
This sounds like Pokémon to me
Davide Agosto
Well, they had some new things in Pokemon, but after all that's what makes Pokemon, pokemon.
Davide Agosto The fun thing is that one time they tried something different (Black and White) everyone hated it.
P.S. everything post-XY sucks.
Nicolò Enrico Rimoldi
Even though that's the one that (imo) had the most story.
Nicolò Enrico Rimoldi
Also, Sun and Moon was decent, though it felt like they split it in two parts, one coming one day less than a year after the other.
In almost 20 years they added around 900 Pokémons, but almost a third of those come from the first two gens. They added abilities and that's the biggest thing, then special/physical split. And that could easily have been done as soon as gen 2 but nope, they did it on gen 4. Gen 6 had mega evos, but they are useless or completely overpowered without a good reason. Z moves are just glorified bijous.
If nothing else, we're better than Star Wars fans.
MaxHP Sup But also PRECH
Damn right we are
My god your right Hahahaha XD
Oh God ... don't open Pandora's box
Because Star Wars is normies galore
I hate to admit it, but I've generalized large portions of the fanbase from comment sections where people are saying how they want the series to die or they want the next game to be cancelled and all that. I love playing (almost) all of the FE games whether it be new or old, but it's important to be open to criticism. I don't see why many people in the fanbase have to argue with one another based on what game they were introduced by since more fans equals more sales, and more sales equals more games.
I was one of the fellows who joined this community with Awakening. However, since that Christmas back in 2013, I've gone and fallen in love with the franchise. 90% of the youtubers that I watch are FE-tubers, and I've bought every English localised game, and beaten them (even the ridiculously expensive Tellius games), as well as played translated roms of all the Japan-only releases. 15 games are a lot, and if I'm being honest here, I can now see why so many loathe or love Awakening. I bought Fates, all three paths, and even shot myself in the foot with the stupidly overpriced DLC of Echoes.
If I had to be honest, my favorite games are probably Sacred Stones, Genealogy of the Holy War, and Echoes.
I like all of them, and Gaiden was the only one that I really didn't enjoy as much, but that was mostly due to slow ui, and clunky...well...everything. Thankfully, Echoes fixed all that, and made itself one of my favorites. Not to say that it has no flaws, but...whatever. I've rambled on enough.
TLDR I'm an Awakening Baby who went back and actually enjoys the older games, too, a lot.
Damn the tellius games are too expensive for me. I either want to emulate them or wait for a rerelease. Correction this applies to POR because i actually found RD for 40 bucks.
@@enchiladaforfireemblemhero9302 Enchilada best girl for sure.
^^^^
How many times did you die in Thracia?
Thanks for this video, i'm so tired of seeing people saying "FE Community is bad" because their favorite game was/gets criticized by other fans.
Wellington Santos i said fe5 is my favorite fe game
It was a shitstorm... i was called an elitist, toxic and other things....
I dont know if you are those things, but you are probably a masochist :P
Samuel Martinez oh yes... i was thaught when i was little by playing games like jak2 and commandos 3.... now i enjoy games like darkest dungeon and dark souls...
Honestly when talking about Fates, the fanbase throws up an amazing amount of bullshit, like with Corrin.
I agree about Corrin not being the best character in the series (then again, there is only one Joshua) but saying they get no development is objectively wrong.
Da Maverick Blast "Joshua"
What?
Da Maverick Blast
Does he develop , sure , but is it good development? I'm not to sure about the last one but that's just me
The Cringe Lord of Time and Space
Fe8's myrmidon
Starwars Fanboy
Realizing that things can't always go as you planned, expecially in war, is a good development in my opinion.
I mean, at least they changes... Unlike boring lords like Roy, Lyn and Chrom who stays the sane throughout the entire game (Props for Robin cause even if he doesn't change that much, he is snarky and funny in his supports)
Da Maverick Blast I guess but it's nothing groundbreaking and I'm still insulted that IS picked that fucktard to represent me
I think Sigurd is really hot
iLegault hotter than flora
Deirdre thinks so
Thanks :)
Arvis thinks it too
It makes Rinea melt
iLegault Took me a while to get it lol
I'd say this whole "salty environtment" is because of humans resenting negatives more than enjoying the positives; but I'm not referring to the opinions about the games, but the opinions people have about each other. If most fans think FE4's story should receive a Nobel prize but I believe it's narrative is a complete mess and deserves a 5/10, due to people perceiving my opinion as negative I'll be seen as a "double negative", not to mention certain "belief circles" will perpetuate opinions. That being said, the FE fanbase is rather tame, they tend to overreact, but I'm yet to see someone being abused.
The game starts by info dumping the player and throwing portraits and names, all without context, making it hard to remember everything, so it's both pointless and overwhelming. It goes on with monologues and static portraits, the latter of which wouldn't be much of an issue it it weren't for how disconnected some characters are from their portraits. My favorite example is Arvis, the well intentioned tyrant who was manipulated, but looks like a smug jackass in both of his portraits. Monologues in general are unnatural and more difficult to remember due to lacking a direct connection with what's going on, for example, a conversation is easy to keep track of because it's a character interaction, but unless a monologue has received a build up (like a character explaining something to itself just to feel reassured after it's life has been thorned apart) it won't work. This is specially hurtful because of FE4 being a drama, it might have epic elements, but at it's core is about it's characters struggles.
Other related issue is in how the information is handled: backstory is kept in the manual and events, such as Kurth's death, are mentioned in the monologues or conversations, again, without a proper build up. In truth, important things for the plot, such what happened between Byron, Reptor and Langobalt, as well as what happened to Deirdre's mother, wouldn't be clear, or even remembered, to me at all if it weren't for summaries in the internet.
The story is made of the script (what there is) and the narrative (how it's told). I agree that FE4's script is pretty good, it's how the game tells it that bothers me, but I wouldn't change anything besides the narrative. My favorite story is also Echoes', it feels really natural, Blazing Blade is pretty close due to being much more personal than most FEs.
Agreed.
The delivery is all over the place, incredibly dry in many places and almost all of the character development is locked behind easily missed hidden conversations and supporting material outside of the game.
While I liked a lot of the subplots, I hated pretty much every villain that wasn't Travant or Arvis. Most important people in Jugdral, especially in Gen 1, are portrayed as irredeemable monsters or hopeless cowards with no little sign of depth. Except for the Loptyr cult, who just happened to be masterminds who somehow gained control over the world behind everyone's backs?
I get that the focus is on big, overarching world story, but so much of it was contrived or just told to the player with very little show. Travant was awesome, but I didn't find much else compelling about the game's delivery.
The main argument against the FE fanbase is how divided the community is. Old and new are very seperated, which is only strengthened in other people's eyes by some vocal minorities not wanting to accept either old or new (usually new).
From my experience the community is actually very friendly. The Heroes community is a saltmine when it comes to summoning though, but honestly, that's to be expected.
Appleflap - You're damn right about Heroes. I haven't gotten a single got damn focus unit, even after using 80 orbs. My sodium levels are increasing.
I think the FE fanbase can best be summarized as an overly critical and protective parent. People expect a lot out of the franchise, so when a game doesn't deliver and fails to meet their expectations, they're disappointed and complain about how they wanted more out of the experience. Similar to how a parent (well a good parent anyway) only wants what's best for their children, so they may be show tough love or be more strict which is the exact opposite of what a teenager might want, looking for more independence. Fire Emblem fans only complain as much as they do because they care too much, they love this series too much. Parents are the same way, they wouldn't show concern over their children if they didn't care.
The truth of the matter is that it’s a lot easier to nitpick things we love (or at least want to love) than it is to point out all the things we enjoy. Plus it comes from a desire to understand what we like or don’t like and why. At least, when it comes from the right place. And I think most of the vocal community comes from this place. There are obviously a few exceptions who have adopted a personal mission to hate on specific aspects or games with their whole being, but they shouldn’t be taken as representing the whole.
Prett much agree 100%. As a Star Wars fan I know that our fan community has the same problems with most fans coming off as haters when in actuality it's just the fans holding the franchise to a higher standard and being disappointed when the product is sub-par runs too far with bad ideas.
Also i unironically use the term "Awakening babies", fite me.
DarthWillSmith
AGREED!
DarthWillSmith As a star wars fan I completely agree
I tend to get games that I am interested in play with. Typically ignoring all fandom.
I mostly agree with everything you said except for the fanbase being critical
I see so many people bashing titles (mostly the modern ones) and Bashing ≠ criticism. Bashing is hating on the game for the sole purpose of hating on it and upsetting the people who do like that title in the series. Being critical respects the people who like said title and helps improve future games
For example, I will use a game like fates because it gets alot of flack (both deserved and undeserved)
There's a difference between saying "lol fates bad" and "fates has a bad story and characters have one note personalities" the first one does not acknowledge why fates disappointed alot of people and just says it's bad with no supporting evidence and is said for the purpose of being destructive towards the fans, the latter statement acknowledges where fates is lacking in while at the same time respecting those who enjoy the game, it also gives the company tips for improving future games in the series.
I was playing some Fire Emblem games before Awakening, but that's when I 'joined' the fandom, and I think we are hundreds of miles better than we were then. Around the time of release of 15 (Echoes), things seemed to cool down somewhat, but there is still a very long way to go.
While it's presented with a joking atmosphere, a lot of discussion of each game will garner snarky comments trying to be witty. Stuff like, "why do people dislike FE 7" will be met with something like "Uhh, HHM map whatever where you've got to protect the villain of 6 and recruit the worst unit in the game would like to say hi" and that's just unhelpful. It's deescalated from name calling and trying to gatekeep what being a fan means, but I don't think we've gotten to the point where two random people would automatically help each other out because one of them posted a question on the subreddit.
i personally think fe10 is underappreciated, but all your points have validity
i enjoyed playing fates, but the fanservice was a bit much at times. also the fact that there were children characters made no sense and seemed shoehorned in just so corrin could bang that character that you love, whereas in fe4 and awakening it actually had a purpose in the story.
I mostly interact with the community on the heroes subreddit and the only negativity I ever see is in relation to not being allowed to post “low effort memes”, so it’s not even fe related negativity.
4:14 MarkyJoe touched on this point with relations to Kaga game flaws. He said they (generally) have terrible map design which I kind of agree with when you look at Gaiden and the needlessly large maps of FE 4. Or that early game map in Fe 3 book 2 where you have to go around this huge mountain and like 70% of the map is unused peak and cliff terrain. Stuff like that.
Funnily enough Kaga's map designs are pretty similar today if you check his most recent game Vestaria Saga. Most of the maps are pretty big, but instead of having a lot of empty space where nothing happens or having to backtrack, you typically have to go through most of the map since each map typically has different sections that make use of the size. Still has the big maps like FE4, but nowhere near as badly designed as FE4/Gaiden since he actually makes use of the size of the maps.
You should see the final map for that game. It's basically a meme at this point.
hey man BWS maps are good
A problem that was shared with shining force
FE4 can't be judged as a normal Fire Emblem. If you tried to make it like you would something like Mystery or Binding Blade, you'd end up with a mess of a game with no real direction. If it didn't have huge maps, it just wouldn't work.
Honestly every fanbase has an annoying vocal minority, FE is no exception. It's not as bad as say the anime community tho where if you say you like SAO you'll get constant shit, you won't get near as much flak if you say you like Fates or Awakening in the FE community. I think Pokemon is about to go through a similar phase again, since the next main Pokemon game is apparently going to change up the battle style completely.
I like every FE game and I don't particularly dislike any characters to the point of calling them shit like thots or w/e. The problem is when people bash others for simply liking a game or character, let people enjoy what they want. I'm excited for FE Switch, but I know there's going to be outrage no matter what it's about or how it's presented because there are people in the community who just cannot stand how FE has ''changed'' and how big the fanbase got with all the new people.
shallo mard I think Heroes honestly made the community alot more toxic, just look at how people reacted to Tharja and Camilla winning the voting gauntlets and how they reacted to the costumes characters like Nowi or Kagero got. So much false outrage because ''A character I don't like won a contest and this character is too sexualized.''
Then of course there's the people who bring up Fates/Awakening as much as they can to shit on it lol, there's nothing wrong with not liking a game but it's been 3+ years already since they came out lol. We get that their plot/characters/gameplay/etc wern't exactly perfect but all that shit is subjective anyway. To bring up SAO and the anime community like you did; it's like that Mother's Basement channel who still makes videos today about how shit SAO is and why you shouldn't like it.
shallo mard fandoms/humanity am I right?
"You can't play the game wrong, unless you're a certain bald Norwegian". Them's fightin' words.
I am relatively new to the fandom and series in general. I was introduced through Awakening, and have slowly made my way through more and more games, my perception of the series changing little by little with each entry I play. In addition my perception of the fandom itself has changed bit by bit as well. To make this simple... this is probably the best fandom I've ever been involved in, mind you I was a Sonic fan before so the bar is kind of low, and it's interesting to watch. It's a critical fandom, but everyone has a different view of the series being as every game is so wildly different, even if they do all have the same core gameplay.
Really you can look to the communities perception of a single character like... say, Roy, as a sort of microcosm of the fandom as a whole. Everyone has a different perception of things and it makes for some interesting debate... or some not so interesting debate.
It can't be denied that the "toxic elitists" people whine about do exist... but then you also have people doing all that whining so... you know. It's a weird community in a lot of way, but an enjoyable one all the same.
You aren't a real fanbase until every game in the series is considered the worst. Also holy fuck, the FE fanbase is nowhere near as bad as it gets. Sonic and Undertale say hi.
Andrew Kos
Sonic has its cringy and cancerous deviant art fan base which hopefully never goes out in public.
Andrew Kos fnaf
Andrew Kos As someone who got pretty deep in the Undertale fan base awhile back, I can safely say that it’s really not that bad. It’s mostly made up of some pretty chill people. Yeah, they can be pretty cringey, but there’s a cringey part of every fan base.
Until every game is the worst? Fun story, I looked up 'who is the worst lord in Fire Emblem' and found a GameFAQ's thread on it. The answer was every lord. All of them are the worst.
Except Hector. Everyone loves Hector.
I think saying ANY fanbase is bad is really a stretch since when you aren't a part of that fandom you will rarely hear about anything but the bad ones. The only reason you hear that sort of stuff more about something like Undertale or Sonic communities is because they're so large that there's technically more people on the extreme end despite it most likely being a similar amount percentage wise.
I think a good portion of the criticism is warranted in most cases. For example, the Warriors examples you gave. However, a lot of people try to outright shut down any time someone's negative about any of the post-Awakening games and use Awakening's and Fates' sales as their justification, which is aggrevating, and makes the crotchity old veterans (I.E., me.) even more negative, especially when only a small part of the entire series get included in spinoffs that are made to celebrate the entire franchise, aside from Heroes.
Honestly the reason those 2 games sold well, is that they made way more advertisement for them as for the past entries. Like did Nintendo/Intelligent Systems think PoR, RD, SS, BB and the 3rd GBA Title sell super good by just throwing it out, well it looked like they thought that lol
I love Fire Emblem. I love arguing about Fire Emblem at 12 am. I just hate bias towards newer games, and bias towards old games. But, as a fan, I can enjoy Awakening for the gameplay, Blazing Blade for the story, and if the critism isn't mindless hating, its good.
Every fan has their own idea of what the series should be, and that can never be a negative thing. I think if anything the fan base is getting more positive because of Heroes and Echoes.
*The fire emblem fandom is probably one of the neutral fandoms that exist. Most fans, such as myself love the games, the characters, the songs, etc. We dislike unfair enemy crits and bad stat boosts. We usually don't mind haters as we are normally modest about our opinions. We main our favorites in smash bros and may get upset when our mains are called "marth clones". There are rarely if not ever any cringy fangirls who are toxic about the series, and come on man. We just like anime chess. At least we're better than most popular communities. The FE fandom is normally underrated for the stereotypical protagonist simps, but we love it. And that's fine.*
((edit: if I triggered anyone with my comment made nearly two years after this video, feel free to *Vantage 3 skill* my statement.))
I play Fates for teh plot
I do. It is masterfully written
It is the most perfectest
My grammar is perfect as Fates writing
Why does everyone tease it's writing? I thought it was pretty good.
I thought a couple of the characters were fairly well written, but the story is hot garbage
Ah, yes.
The old fans that hate the new ones, or like the anti-waifu bait against the whorship of waifu, or actual FE against Heroes and Warriors, or casuals vs the try-hard.
-Just like in the Pokemon community-
One thing we can all agree is that FE: Tokyo Mirage Sessions has been and will ever be the worst one.
Joshua Manjarrez
Warriors could of been better in my opinion
My critism of it is that if felt like there wasn't as much heart put into it as hyrule warriors despite few gameplay being a bit better though Nintendo warrior games are steal the weakest mosou games
ImmaLittlePip
They intentionally did like that. They said that characters like Ike would be in a sequel.
Joshua Manjarrez when I first heard about Tokyo mirage sessions I thought it was going to be something along the lines of fire emblem combat but a crossover of Shin Megumi Tensei and Fire Emblem characters. From what I’ve seen in videos that was not it at all.
Joshua Manjarrez Which makes it even worse. Doesn’t help that developers than follow up with comments about Linde’s feet and other weird shit.
Bret Faher
If you didn't like TMS fe (which absolutely you didn't), just wait for the "data mined" definite version. imgur.com/E8AltM9
I started with Awakening, now there's only 6 games I haven't played just yet. Honestly, the fact that every game is a bit different and is good for different reasons is the main reason I love this series.
Awakening allows me to see lots of supports easily, and the fact that you can break the game with pair up and children so easily if you choose to is just fun. I've also gotten to ch17 in lunatic+ with no grinding at all, which makes you play the game very differently and provided one hell of a challenge.
Fates allows me to play modern FE with pair up without it being overpowered, and Conquest provides a challenge. The story is utter crap and there's lots more that annoys me, yet I still find ways to have fun with it.
Echoes is absolutely gorgeous presentation-wise, and the large open maps with no weapon triangle allow you to form a long line of tanky units and either charge or hold your ground and let enemy ranks break against you, which is fun. Also Mila's turnwheel is a godsend.
Blazing Blade provides the best tutorial, an interesting story, fixes the rng and same-turn reinforcements and is one of the best for replayability with both Eliwood and Hector's stories. I wish supports were easier to unlock, but this is still one of my favourites.
Binding Blade feels like it's for those who find FE7 too easy. I mostly didn't like it for the basic story, same turn ambush reinforcements, Roy not promoting for ages, the overabundance of long range threats and the punishing and unpredictable gimmicks in side stories. And yet looking on forums I find people that love this game for the challenge and characters. If that's you, fair enough. I can understand why you like this game and I'm happy for you.
I thought New Mystery of the Emblem was a huge improvement over Shadow Dragon, adding in supports really gave the characters life, and I love its glossary feature. I also quite liked the avatar's interactions with everyone and thought Katarina's story added to what is otherwise quite a basic one. It's a bit nicer to play than the gba games too due to its smooth user interface. I can more easily see the enemy stats, weapons and range. It's a nice compromise between FE7 and FE13.
I'm hoping to play Genealogy of the Holy War and Path of Radiance in the next year or so. I've heard great things about the FE4's story and know it will be more of a challenge. I'm looking forward to seeing if and why I enjoy the game.
And the music is amazing in every game. Everyone is different, and Fire Emblem is a rare treasure that has something to entice almost everyone. If someone asks me what the best Fire Emblem is, I'll list my favourites and why they're good and bad, and let them decide which one to play based on those reasons. It's in human nature to focus on negatives, but maybe there should be more talk about why we love each game.
Kaga is just a man. He's no god
I think being critical is good. Getting complacent makes developers lazy. I don't like the story in Fates at all, or its business practices (which got worse in echoes with a 45€ season pass that barely had anything of worth), but i still play it quite a bit. I like the dual system in that game and the skills, they also fixed balancing issues that awakening had (although it still has its share of broken mechanics).
I don't feel like i quite fit in either archetype of awakening casual or old elitist fan. I started out with Shadow Dragon on the DS. I did not know what the hell i was doing because i had never played a strategy game seriously before, i would get lots of my units killed, and i never managed to beat the game until years later, after i played and beat awakening. After Fates, i started playing the older games, and i was mostly okay with most of them, except FE6 and RD. I like having casual mode as an option available, because sometimes i'm not in the mood or mindset to reset over having one of my units killed, but i can also enjoy the games that don't have that option.
Camilla's tiara (whatever it is) is actually designed after a cow (maybe).
Well said. I've always thought that constructive criticism is born out of love for the thing being criticized - that's how you work towards improvement after all. Mindless bashing is a very different being, and it's kind of sad that people get the two confused.
On both the subreddit and gamefaqs Ive ran into many people who give me a hard time for liking Awakening and hating Conquest, even though I started with the GBA games.
I have this problem that's more a meta complaint about people on the internet than it is with the FE fanbase within itself, and I don't really know who to complain to so I'm just gonna post it here.
I am really glad that FE as a series has become more popular and that more people are at least getting into some aspect of the games, as there are many different things to enjoy. Unfortunately it just seems like as this fanbase grows, more complaints and accusations continue to get thrown at this huge multi-faceted group that assuredly do not all think as one monolithic entity. From Smash fans complaining about FE character representation, to twitter users blanketing FE fans as being annoying or elitist, the list just goes on for complaints levied at a fanbase from *outside* that very fanbase. I can't tell you how many times I see someone who has only ever played Heroes just because of their jpg lust (which sure even that is fine you're not hurting anyone by doing this) posting on twitter and getting flamed by non-fans going "wow FE fans have literally never talked to a girl before" or something of that nature.
It's just been really annoying that I used to be able to just tell people "Oh I like FE games, here I recommend playing FE7 for the GBA first, I hope you enjoy them" to now you say you're an FE fan and you have to like, qualify yourself first.
tl;dr I can't believe anyone would look at someone who says they're a fan of a 15 game series and somehow lump every single one of them together, yet it happens.
No one does this to Final Fantasy fans or Mega Man fans etc. Which sucks because the actual FE community is generally pretty chill if you actually talk to someone who has played more than one game in the series.
I discovered the series through Awakening and loved it. I’ve played the GBA trilogy, Fates, Echoes, and Path of Radiance. Guess what? I loved all of them. I can understand the older fans disliking the newer games and vice versa, but I draw the line when one group hates the other just for the sake of creating conflict. I am very much a more casual FE player, but I do believe it is completely unnecessary to hate on one group of the fandom just because they like what you dislike.
Only recently got into Fire Emblem and am playing through the series, starting with Binding. I'm up to Path of Radiance. Can't wait to get to Awakenings and see what you're talking about. BTW, I've been using you for each game to help me choose my teams.
Fire Emblem has been my favorite franchise for twenty years now. Personally, I treasure the story/character aspect of Fire Emblem 100x more than I do simple strategy. I do really enjoy creating cool tactics though and imagining myself in the fight. However, I like realistic characters. I could not stand Fates for this reason. It was an enjoyable game, but it felt like an anime. Awakening on the other hand just felt like a sort of Disney Fire Emblem which is okay I guess. I enjoyed it quite a bit. At the same time though, some of the old games do not have enough focus on story as I would like. My favorite FE games are the ones that have realistic characters and an intriguing get story with decent gameplay (like I said I don't care if the strategy is lacking). For these reasons my favorite FE games are 4, Thracia, 7, Radiant Dawn, and Echoes.
As for fans... Yeah. Our community is pretty horrid. Both sides hate certain games too much. Fates is my least favorite in the series, but it was still a Fire Emblem game. If you're truly going to call yourself a fan of Fire Emblem than you'll like anything it throws at you even just the slightest bit.
You don't need to like "anything that gets thrown at you" from the franchise to be a fan, someone like that is a sheep to me.
You'll learn to appreciate it though. You like all of your family members don't you? They may be annoying sometimes but you appreciate them right? I find it to be the same way here.
For me it is not really the same or can be compared, since there is people that legit don't like their dad/mom or any relative. I rather compare this with a restaurant and you noticing, if the cook is changing up the recipe of the dish you like and you critic him for that.
Kevinsky Haaz Eh the fan base isn’t bad at all. Most people are very nice and helpful, while there’s a small few on both sides who are complete jerks. But overall, we’re all pretty chill.
What I don't understand is why did IGN gave Echoes a 7 while Awakening and Fates got over 9.
*They must be waifu worshippers*
What I don't understand is why you're listening to IGN in the first place. Everyone knows they're full of shit.
RedRobBlaze
I know that, I just see how much shit they talk.
You know what they say, can't spell ignorance without IGN.
IGN is drinking too much water
I mean it's like skyrim but with guns
Jaffar Black Fang
I bet they don't even drink that much water, because remember:
*7.6/10 Too much water*
Nastigracea “An emotional and engaging joinery”
Personally I havent run into many people that seem even remotely negative. They all seem kinda nice to some extent. Though I will say I do dislike when people judge a game that isnt even out and I saw it a lot once Fates was announced despite almost anything having been said.
And I find it kinda hard to just hate something. I mean Im not bothered by any of the "fanservice". Not even Camilla. But at the same time I dont blindly like anything related to FE. I mean I will say Geanology was so boring that it bored me out of the game in the first few minutes and I was REALLY trying to get into it.
While I think it's perfectly fine to criticize games that you're a fan of, a lot of fandoms I see, I just see criticism, with very little positives and I don't want that to happen to FE because I love this series and I want to see it improve, not a list of all the bad things while ignoring all the good.
Been playing Fire Emblem since '90, and still play it today. I play it on the hardest mode for fun every first run through to ensure I bring the most out of the game and myself, and that is what I enjoy. I will continue to keep buying, and playing this game out of my love for the game I used to play on Famicom when I was just a boy.
Coming back a year late but meh, this video had an interesting concept that I think I have some insight I don't see elsewhere in the commnets.
My problem with the FE Community, and with MANY communities, is that people absolutely love to crap all over the franchise, ruining the face level enjoyment some people get, and go strictly under the scope of criticism.
Now, this is 100% okay, but the issue is there's very little positive ever said by many of these people as they assume it's common knowledge. For example, up until recently the only things I ever heard while scrolling through the community stuff was people talking about how annoying FE4's maps are, but now that I've played it it's about ready to be my favorite game for reason that NO ONE ever seems to talk about.
For example, I think FE4 has some of the most amazing gameplay in the franchise, and yeah sure it's a long game but outside of Chaz's FE4 Propaganda, I never really saw any positive discussion. You always see discussion about Fates, Awakening, some about Echoes and a bit about FE6 but I rarely ever saw anything about FE4's positive side besides people asking about the bad rumors.
TL;DR - A lot of people don't know how to give criticism without sounding like they hate something.
Fates has a terrible story but Conquest has some pretty awesome stuff going on
Awakening is a broken mess but it has some interesting points in there and some of the most gorgeous visuals until Echoes.
Echoes, my favorite game in the franchise at the moment, has terrible hit rates and bad map design, but it is gorgeous and it has some of the best characters around.
FE4 has massive maps, which while I consider that a boon due to their purpose, I see why others find it intimidating. Its mechanics are tough to understand as well. Though its way of telling a story through gameplay and the shakspearian story of it all is one of my favorite combinations in all of gaming.
While all this is opinions, I doubt they're too terribly controversial. The only FE Game I genuinely dislike is FE6 and I cannot give a good reason for disliking it. Something about FE6 just does NOT vibe with me right.
Can't wait for FE 16.
It will be Etilists vs. Casuals
Joshua Manjarrez so it'll be Fates 2.0 then?
Elitists vs. Weebs
You're part of the problem
Drason Vender Like fanboys refuse to change the corporates.
Who’s it going to cater to this time. Either way everyone will still find a reason to complain.
To be honest, I usually put the most weight into gameplay mechanics since characters/writing/etc. are pretty subjective. Plus, GameFaqs/Reddit/Serenes Forest/etc. aren't an accurate representation and I generally don't pay attention to it anymore. Otherwise, none of the characters in FE Warriors would be even in it and there would have been other characters from FE 4 or 5 instead.
I just hope that the next FE game gives you the option to turn off or on pair ups
Honestly I'm kinda tired of pair ups I didn't like em in duel strike and I think that on paper it seems like a good idea but it can't be executed without breaking the game
Trainer Sun Fates somewhat balanced it, and I found it enjoyable, but I wouldn't want it to come back. I'm not sure how they can design a game to be played with and without pair ups however
I don't want it back.
Fates made it better than Awakening, but it was still broken as shit. The closest thing to pair up I want to see is the rescue mechanic if anything
What about enemy's , would thier pair ups also be turned off ?
Also what about dual strikes ?
Since enemies like to put themselves in position to dual strike whenever possible, in addition to some crucial stat bonuses some units give when paired up, Fates chapters eventually just turn into "dual guard or just die". I say just dont bring it back at all, and just bring a modified Rescue back instead.
How are you doing my friend?
This was a great video and as usual, I agreed with a lot of criticisms I would add, such as 7 having most of its main characters being objectively bad and 9 having swords that hit like toothpicks while axes are extremely op
The old Fire Emblem games are just as different from one another as the new games are.
Ali BabaAhmed Exactly. There are not many FE games that can be put into categories with how they play. Most are different enough with their story gameplay and characters, they warrant their own category causing not much overlap with the games.
Ali BabaAhmed beign different is good....
Making a shit game is bad....
wackpendejo3000 but what does that have to do with what I said?
The dig on the bald Norwegian was very accurate. Mangs is the only one who plays it wrong- but he makes it work, because of his sheer love for Fire Emblem. Thanks, Mekkah, for spending so much of your time in trying to fix him. We can't tell any difference, but your efforts are appreciated.
Yeah that's pretty much true. I don't dislike people who like the new fire emblem games, I don't even hate all of the changes they made, but there's so much potential in the old games that's been passed over, it's hard not to feel sad about the game fire emblem could have been.
As someone who's a huge fan of both Fire Emblem and Star Wars, I completely agree with your thoughts about franchises that make drastic changes to the way their property is handled.
Despite FE4 being my favorite game of all time, I admit that i only found it because of awakening being so approachable. It's important to recognize the vanity of your own opinion and recognize the fact that other people are simply different from you. Attack the thing you disagree with andnot the people who support it. I.e, It's okay to dislike the recent burst of fanservice, I despise it, but I'm not going to attack the people who don't dislike it.
Also, every game is imperfect. I recognize that I only like fe4 because It has things that I, as an individual, appreciate. Now, someone else, who doesnt like things in Fe4, are totally right in saying it sucks. Don't let the opinions of others force you into a defensive outburst
Well I started with fates then played awakening and then echoes. Then I played genealogy, sword of seals and shadow dragon. I am currently playing fe7. And I have to say that no fe game I played so far was bad. They where all good in its own ways. My favourites would be fe14 and fe4. But I REALLY enjoyed the others too.
Neat. Your two favorite games are the ones each elitist belief circle praises and bashes respectively
well, i'm gonna say that people gets very sensitive when people critize things very harshly and pretty much say that the game they like is perfect, the only thing that i dislike of the community is the fact that they can't take criticism or take it and anylize if it is true, an example is the plot holes on echoes and everyone call it a good story, i mean you can like it (tastes are just tastes) but if you defend that kind of errors you are just very sensible
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IMO Echoes was the lowest point in the series. The characters were pretty boring (aside from Luthier and Leon), the gameplay sucked, terrible map designs, and it feels like Echoes gets a free pass as opposed to Awakening and Fates.
@@eevee1583 Could you really say that when Gaiden is either exactly the same or worse in every single area?
I’d like to think of myself as one of those fans who finds enjoyment in all of the games but is still very critical of them. Now I haven’t played every single game in the series as emulators are a bit tough to find, but I’ve played enough to recognize what I like about the series and still remain critical of flaws :) Anyways, great video!
Fire Emblem Awakening was my first Fire Emblem game, it will always be my favourite game no matter what title comes out or what title is already out.
Do I think this game is flawless? No, I think it has many flaws and contradictions. Does it make me like the game any less? Absolutely not.
Each time I revisit awakening it’s like traveling back in time (no pun intended,) I still get that thrill in the beginning and melancholy at the end.
I just genuinely like the game as a whole, no matter who tells me Awakening is a sh!t game.
With the way the FE community is more open to being critical and acknowledging certain aspects of the games it makes the fandom a lot better than how the Pokemon community is nowadays due to many pokemon loyalists being unable to cope with the new criticisms and unable to accept the fact there is anything wrong with Sword and Sheild
I think fans of things (this applies to pretty much every fandom) tend to take it overly personally when something they love is criticised.
I can definitely understand having a personal connection to something and not liking it when people hate on it though. One of the main reasons why I love FE4/5 is because of all the references to Celtic mythology, as I'm Irish and the stories referenced in the game are the same ones I grew up with. So when someone is critical of it, even if I know they're right, it's hard not to take it a little bit personally.
But in the end, everyone's entitled to their opinion, and having a negative opinion on a game you like isn't a personal attack on you.
i started with FE7 around the time it first came out and since then I have completed 6-15 and played at least some of 1-5. Fire Emblem is absolutely my favorite series, but I did not enjoy Fates (even though I actually liked Awakening). Even so, there are still some things about Fates I did like, such a lot of the music in later chapters, and the additional personal skills. Even if there are some games fans don't like as much as others, I'd still say that there are things that fans should be able to agree that each Fire Emblem does well
It's a good video with some exeptional points. Good work, like to see these videos the most despite I enjoy your gameplay ones regardless if I've played the game or not. Can't wait to see more stuff as always Mekkah!
Mekkah random question for ya. Seth can solo a shit ton of chapters but sigurd can solo his whole part basically. Whats the difference in your opinion? (Hopefully its not just serh can do more cause higher chapter cause thats obvious haha)
I think its good that the FE community has a "critical" attitude towards its games. It makes more fun to analyze games and see what they did wrong and right, instead of just taking them as they are and not saying anything.
0:37 We do?
2:08 Pair up guides for Fire Emblem Awakening and Fates disagree.
3:00 Every Fire Emblem game tries to do something different in each game, and that is fine as it adds variety.
4:00 Radiant Dawn favors the older characters in comparison to the newer characters, but the third tier is a nice addition, and I'm glad they brought it back with over classing in SoV.
4:50 Agreed, re-classing to get different skills in Fates was great, hopefully they will make it easier with the arts system that SoV has.
5:16 I became concerned about Fire Emblem when we got Fates after Awakening. Awakening was great with the new mechanics, my problem was with the copy and pasting of several characters and character types from Awakening into Fates (ex: returning characters Owain, Inigo and Severa, plus copy and paste character types like Tharja and Rhajat).
Every Fire Emblem has their problems, and everyone has their own opinions of the games.
6:51 Agreed
6:57 How to make the most money: Split the game into 3 parts and make the players buy each part individually.
7:30 I got Warriors, now I'm just waiting for that sequal.
Ask any Pokémon fan what their ranking of the games are and you'll get something like this.
Best: Gen 3 / Gen 4 / Gen 5
Meh: Gen 6 / Gen 7
Bad: Gen 8 (I think the only group of people this isn't true for are the VGC crowd)
Classics: Gen 1 / Gen 2 (Tolerance for older graphics is a big factor in enjoyment and makes them hard to rank)
Ask any Final Fantasy fan what their ranking of the games are and you'll get something like this.
Best: FF6 / FF7
Good: FF4 / FF9 / FF10 / FF12 / FF15
Meh: FF8
Bad: FF2 / FF11 / FF13
Classics: FF1 / FF3 / FF5 (Again tolerance for older graphics is a big factor in enjoyment)
MMO: FF14 (Kind of it's own thing)
Well these lists could have some mild tweaks made to them none of them have any egregious hot takes. And certainly none of the games are more than a tier from where they belong.
Meanwhile in Fire Emblem you'd be lucky to get people to agree on where one of the games go.
Mekkah, please share this in other Nintendo communities. The amount of vitriol people get from defending the fanbase there is astonishing. Your arguments are well crafted and can possibly sway naysayers of this community so please share this wherever you can.
I pretty much agree with all those "basic criticisms" of each game, except the bit about FE9 and 10's map animations since 1: I don't play with map animations unless I've failed a chapter so much that I just want to get it over with and 2: I don't mind long battle animations. So my criticism of FE10 that pretty much everyone agrees with would be: "the parties are badly balanced." Who's idea was it to put all the bad units in Micaiah's party and put all the good units in Ike's? AND also give Micaiah the hardest chapters. Radiant Dawn is still my second favourite FE, but I still agree with this criticism. (Also "Wyvern Riders are too good", but that repeats FE8's one)
4:48-4:53. That is totally me. Unpopular opinion here, but as much as I like FF7 Negative growths. I would actually like to watch Mekkkah play Fates on his channel (route doesn't matter). I just think it would be neat to see how Mekkkah would do in a blind Fates playthrough (sorry if my assumption of you not playing Fates is untrue); as I have just finished a Lunatic Conquest run with help from Pitfalls and so thanks for helping me become a better player. I know you dislike Fates but I think it would be neat to watch you play it.~
My favorite FE is Sacred Stones and my buddies always say it is trash because it it one of the easiest FE's, but then I say FE4 (my friend's favorite) was so boring I wanted to off myself. Really just joking around but i think that preferences on which type of game you like in a franchise shouldn't make the whole community 'bad', just opinionated.
It's just a meme but I see your point. Also, every single FE game's plot has been scrutinized though FE7 and FE10 are easier pickings due to trying a new plot and therefore having some inconsistencies due to writer's inexperience. That doesn't necessarily mean those two games have inferior and less enjoyable plot compared to the other classic titles. Not to mention a lot of the criticism of the plots in those games, especially FE10, exagerate some of the flaws and ignore/misinterpret some of the writing.
I think a lot of the divide can be attributed to the way Intelligent Systems has treated this franchise over the years. We're constantly reminded of how Fire Emblem was going to be axed if Awakening didn't sell well enough, so every time they release a new game, we can feel their hand getting ready to pull the plug. As such, some of us feel like we have to be critical of every new release, as not to guide the franchise down a dead end. I wouldn't say it's an "unhealthy" trait to have in a community, in fact, I think it's healthy for the circumstance we're in -- it's just the fact that we're in such a place to begin with is what leaves us feeling bitter sometimes. Whether or not IS intended to, I feel like they've guilt tripped us and we're all still recovering from it.
However, with the success of Fire Emblem Heroes, I'm actually very positive about the future of the franchise. Disparage it if you must, it's clearly showing IS how much people really care about the series, and to go even further, how much we can care about even the older games and their characters. I think FEH will inform their decisions for some time to come.
I think people as a whole are generally pretty vocal about things they view negatively and that just gets amplified by the internet and then again by fanbases. The most passionate, descriptive things I can write aren't about things I love, but about things I hate, especially popular things I hate. And I don't think I'm alone in that, so as the number of people in any given forum rises, the number of potential rants on any given subject rise with them.
I would not call myself a fan of fire emblem for a very specific reason, but I do really like the series. The problem is in a group, only the loudest, worst people are heard. No one talks about those normal people who like Rick and Morty, only the dumbasses who raided McDonald's.
Fire Emblem's fan problem is a mixture of the problem above and bad communication.
People who were complaining about Phoenix mode were really stupid for even getting mad at that when it was optional. I genuinely don't understand how people can get mad about that. Because they give that as an optional thing for the strategically challenged who just want to do the story? I almost always pick classic anyway, so it made no effect on me, and despite doing casual Lunatic+ In awakening, never did I consider Phoenix mode in Fates as that kills all the challenge for me. But I didn't care that it was an option.
A lot of people like to say games like Sacred stones shouldn't allow you to grind, but again, all of this is optional stuff you can choose to do. Of course, you don't need to grind in sacred stones, it's super easy unless you are on the harder difficulties, which in that case it's an actual challenge. But leaving the option for those who aren't as good at the game is something I would recommend just so they don't get left feeling soured by their experience.
That said, all the problems I addressed are bad communication. The people who personally think phoenix mode sucks (I'm in that camp), some made it sound like it was a game breaker that ruins the ENTIRE game. Fates had way more issues to make that seem like an eyedrop anyway. When people say you shouldn't grind, that ends up sounding elitist simply because some people just aren't good enough to beat sacred stones with a Seth only run. The moment you say they should "Git Gud" you prove my point.
But even these people are a minority of the people who play the game. The Silent majority barely cares about any of this shit, it's just the squeaky wheels making everyone else look bad. 10,000 people can be amazing, wonderful people, but the one guy who terrorizes McDonalds workers is the only one anyone cares about. That's just reality.
my critic to fe12 it is not kris, but rather that they had prepared the game better than shadow dragon and never got outside japan, ironically kris was like a patch for the dificulty of some part of the game, imagine a patch that make him not an avatar and with fix growths.
but the same critics could be with a lot of games, fans loves the game but it is like a secret that not everyone could play the same, not because the player but for the developers.
As a relately new fan of fe I find most of the community very nice. And even if you love a game you should still be critical of it, as in my opinion it makes me appreciate the things the game does right even more.
I for one can be negative at times, and I fully admit I'm not a big fan of some entries of the series. But it's not just a blanket "KAGA GOD NEW GAEM DUM" for me. I don't particularly like Fates, but I was introduced through Awakening- my favorite game winded up being Thracia 776.
In my experience, other fans I'm close to (and myself) critique the games because we love the series and want it to be the best it can be. We talk about the entries we love and why we love them, but we also talk about the ones we're not so big on and why we don't love them- and when we differ in our opinions, we discuss it.
No, the fanbase isn't perfect, but show me one that is.
I honestly used to not like Awakening due to Robin, but watching Mangs' old playthrough of it made me enjoy the game a bit more. Fates the only things i would like to see is how the game would've been with Leo/Takumi as the main characters. I'm all for self insert characters but don't make them steal the spotlight from everyone. Idk about how Kris is but the best game with a created character i've played is White Knight Chronicles. They make you the assistant of the main character and you follow and help with his journey but you don't impact it to the point where you take all their shine away.
So long as I'm having fun and like the characters, I'm good, tbh.
Also, I just really love sprite art and 3D models (even good 3D models) don't do it for me, so I just naturally have some reluctance towards the newer games. Dark Deity has flaws, yes, but its sprite work is gorgeous and destroys any idea that sprites are "obsolete".
I have a opinion about Fe10
*Edward is awesome*
Fire emblem is one of the only games/series that I feel I have improved in. Even if I still promote at 20 (except Asvel).
I never played any gire emblem prior to blazing sword being my first then sacred stones, awakening, and birthright i love them and i seen gamrplay of the older ones and loved them as well
Fire emblem is one of the few fan bases where you can write an entire essay about one character and have an intelligent discussion about it and that’s why I love it. The heroes sub is a bit much for me, and I don’t care for fates but I love the fandom.
My one and ONLY problem with the FE Emblem fanbase is the overexaggerated and unnecessary hate against Awakening and Fates SPECIFICALLY. Now hear me out on this one, if you already saw this a million times then feel free to ignore my comment:
FE awakening and Fates were no where near as bad as some people make it out to be, yes there were many missed opportunities and yes the stories are pretty weak. But you cannot dent that they are still enjoyable games with many and MANY positives about them such as Awakening literally being the saving grace to the franchise, the characters were a delight, the gameplay was really good in Fates and fixed the issues in Awakening’s broken combat, and the devs TRIED. If you look at Awakening and Fates they probably put more effort into Awakening and Fates than any other Fire Emblem game, just look at how different Awakening and Fates are, the combat has improved, the animations had improved, the characters are actually better (save for a few), and if you look at the actual intentions of the stories Fates actually had a better story. No doubt they tried everything they could to make Fates better than Awakening in every way possible and yeah there may have been some that Fates fail to accomplish but it did do better than Awakening in many of what it offered. Now that’s not to say that Awakening is worse than Fates, Awakening does have a better Avatar (honestly Robin is awesome and actually has more character than Chrom, Chrom is awesome and all but in my opinion Robin shines brighter in terms of personality just look at his numerous supports and see how many different emotions Robin has, compared to Chrom’s limited but same straight forward personality with very few different expressions), their support conversations are better, it’s game filled with Easter eggs, and it had better children (and also made more sense and more fitting than Fate’s deeprealm idea which is...honestly stupid as hell) they’re far from perfect games and they’re definitely not better than most off the Fire Emblem, (seriously the games before Awakening was Shadow Dragon and New Mystery of the Emblem which to be honest they weren’t good not horrible but I would rank Awakening and Fates higher than those two) but they are better than some. From what I’ve seen the biggest reason why people hate Fates and Awakening is that it’s too animeish and the supports make it seem like Waifu Emblem and I will say...I do not blame you for thinking that but that doesn’t mean that’s what makes it s bad game, the characters are good and are in no way terrible, hell even Camilla, Tharja, and Charlotte aren’t terrible characters, Tharja is completely capable of loving a character that isn’t Robin and she has a heart even if on the outside she can be a total bitch but she still has somewhat of a caring side as shown with Nowi, Camilla is an older sister only being younger than Xander SHE CARES she genuinally cares and even though she is mostly shown with fan service and such but her actual character is almost always ignored even when she was shown in Warriors where she was literally at her best and she was still hated for because of her fan service in Fates, and Charlotte my god she had more fan service than Camilla but she is by far the most tamed and the best gold digger there is to offer she might be able to switch quickly from a fragile and sweet girl to a violent bitch but she has a big heart and seeing her actions when she is Corrin’s wife she is someone who can very easily be misunderstood yes she may be 100% fanservice and yes she is very easily forgotten and over looked because of her not being a main character and a character that doesn’t come with a child but Charlotte has one of the more interesting backstories and better hearts than most characters despite her bitchy moments. They’re not bad characters with Tharja being ranked decent and Camilla and Charlotte ranked good in my book they do not deserve the hate that they get (Tharja I get but she still gets too much). Yes they were clearly designed to be Waifu characters and yes I can understand why people would think that Awakening and Fates are nicknamed Waifu Emblem, but I will say this THEY. ARE. ONLY. MINOR. NEGATIVES. They take the marriage system too deep into account and they over hate the games because of it, the supports are literally what they are to the game supports, are they needed no, are they a big part of the game yes, do you have to do them no. Look at the earlier Fire emblems and ECHOES you can go through the entire game without seeing a single support possibly going through it with seeing about 3 supports at most (I know I didn’t see the supports that much at all when I played through Echoes) some would say “that’s good no more of that Waifu shit” but that would take away a lot of the possible character developement that the characters would have, do you have any idea how much hate Faye gets and would’ve been fixed if she wasn’t limited to 2 supports and it was only with Silque and Alm, I wanted to see Faye support with Celica, and Tobin, and Gray, and Kliff, possibly even Clair and Sonya but no she was limited to 2 people and her character was hurt because of lack of development. Do I think supports are needed yes it would help build up characters better. Did Awakening and Fates do their job with that? Yes. Is it a perfect system? No but it’s a system that could work and a system that needs some tweaking to perfect but it was broken system still enjoyable and developed the characters well. Awakening and Fates are bad games and they’re far from the worst, neither are they bad Fire Emblem games and to be honest Fire Emblem was always animeish some may say that the characters acted more realistic in the older ones which I never understood what they meant by that especially since there are some anime’s that do tend to act more realistic in terms of characters and situations, they’re uncommon but that doesn’t mean there’s a norm to how anime characters act. Awakening and Fates get WAY TOO MUCH hate than they deserve and after seeing how some of the Fanbase treated Fire Emblem Warriors I damn near got cancer just reading the toxic and hate filled comments, and Heroes is no better with the voting gauntlets and character variants and costumes. And they’re all still great games but unfortunately their connection to Awakening and Fates can cause a huge encyclopedia of hate comments about the character or even game for that matter and I don’t think Awakening and Fates deserves that much especially since the Dev teams really did work hard on those to make them the best they could.
Nice essay, too lazy too read it all lmao
People just take shit way too seriously these days, just be glad the series didn't end with Awakening like it was suppose to but instead has becoming one of Nintendo's top titles and has produced several spin-offs already.
I don't really care if someone hates a certain game or character, it's when people defend the censorship and cuts to the games under the guise of localization. I get cultural differences and whatever but everything that's in the original Japanese game, whether it's character personalities/side features/outfits/etc, should be in every other version of the game. Localization should only translate the dialogue and add in voices, not censor shit because ''it's not appropriate for the West and think of the kids.''
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I think the situation with the Fire Emblem community is a bit similar to what many are getting wrong about the Star Wars community right now. Lots of people characterize anyone who criticizes the new movies as simple haters who are never satisfied, but more often than not, they are the ones who love Star Wars the most and only want the best from the series.
I think the fanbase is positively critical but negative in how they enforce their criticisms because as you stated each game has its flaws and perks so picking out a particular one and spewing the same reason over and over as to why one game is "bad" with no further criticisms good or bad can be seen as hostile. I do think people with the new fire emblem games are a bit too critical of "playstyle" because that is of course the individuals choice you can't make someone play classic over casual and silly stuff like that does NOT make a fire emblem game bad. The criticisms are more often born of love for the series rather than actually hating it.
i think a fanbase that can see the flaws in what they follow are much better than one that doesn't critisice anything and hates on people that do - like in the pokemon fanbase
Blatant Jojo Reference
Agreed.
This comment hasn't aged well lol
FE 8 : Seth is too strong. Seems about right.
I wasn't aware of Fire emblem until Awakening, i remember seeing the trailer and thinking "God this advert is bad, i gotta look this game up" then i bought awakening after some research and have enjoyed the 3 most recent ones but i am still yet to go fully through any of the previous fire emblem games.
I am a big fan of Tactical RPG's and i am glad to be a part of the FE community, even if i haven't played as many of the titles as others within it there is a lot to enjoy from the games and people who play these games as if this community was so terrible i would have never wanted to be a part of it.
You have to take the sweet with the sour sometimes and with the FE community the sour can be strong but the meal is too sweet to pass.
People who can't take facts and think their opinions don't matter are usually the ones to try and smear hate in the fire emblem community. While there are people defending or arguing certain subjects but their tone and diction changes the atmosphere to give the idea of an 'elitist.' We all nees to just stop taking these judgements as personal attacks and im trying to better myself by not coming off as harshly when i talk about the things i really dislike. But yeah, good video and an important topic
I know this is an old video, but I figured I might as well add my two cents. I imagine part of the resentment on the part of "old players" comes from the natural reaction that anyone has when a large number of newcomers enter your home, neighborhood, country, or fandom. You love this place, and you hate the idea that it might one day stop looking like the place you love and grew up with. So, naturally, you are suspicious and critical of the newcomers. If there were just a few of them, they would have to play by your rules and respect your traditions, but with so many of them, they might be able to force your place to change to suit them.
Being an older FE fan... I'm in my 40's, not that I'm only a fan of the older games. I don't see the difference between the FE fandom and the fandom of any long-running video game franchise, movie franchise or TV series. Eventually, it becomes popular/cool for the original fans to hate on, make fun of, or leave the fandom. FE isn't special in this phenomenon. I still enjoy the games for what they are, and I don't care that a lot of people hate on the new games. I know that will always happen no matter how amazing or terrible the new games will be. There are a lot of other things to worry about in life besides negative FE fans.
The fire emblem fan base is a million times better than the Pokemon community