I live in one of these fully integrated communities and the only thing that is integrated about it is the lack of any facilities, which is fully integrated across the community.
I agree the urban sprawl is terrible but the government also gets in the way of letting business set up easily and why did they approve it if there’s no government facilities i mean - they shouldn’t be so corrupt
You must be living in Molonglo Valley in the ACT. Thousands of high rise apartments. Thousands and thousands of people. Only a pathetic IGA. No community facilities. Give it a few years and the kids will create their own...
My old man cut down a massive gum tree which nearly killed my mum. The council tried chasing us up for penalties until he offered to settle it in court, with photo evidence. They backed off nice and quick on that one. I seriously don't understand why cutting these hazards down is so illegal when the bloody things are practically a weed.
It's also great how these ahh... 'Fully Integrated Communities' have one intersection connecting them to a main road so there's a perpetual queue of cars backed up every morning
I much prefer that - stops all the "new residents" from unduly blocking up the already over-capacity roads to other existing desitinations. Unless the developer invests in extra pubic transport and/or another lane on every road from the estate to the city, they should be denied.
They say that violence doesn't solve anything, but after watching this clip I'm getting an irresistible urge to slap 3 out of the 4 characters from this clip
It's because they are highlighting the only two 'sane/normal' characters in the series - Tony and Nat. Everyone else is a charactiture of their roles ie Corporate HR person, Government employees, Spin Doctors, Middle Management, Consultants, Developers, Union Reps etc
The UK media and developers constantly whine about planning laws stopping delivery of housing, but those laws exists for the reasons picked out in this video. In the South East, we have had a boom in housing, but no more schools, hospitals or roads with promises they will be built, which is at best 10 years after the houses are occupied.
haha honestly. just shake my head. what can you do. thats all they build now. Clear a load of bush, build single family homes in cul de sacs with no shops or amenities, no transport options so everyone has to buy a car just to be able to buy a loaf of bread. rinse and repeat.
You have to laugh or you'll cry. Doesn't matter if it is bushland full of wildlife, or lush green productive farmland, apparently it all needs to make way for thousands of McMansions on 400 square metre blocks. Isn't progress wonderful?
Before I was born they did this exact thing in New Mexico and sold thousands of home lots to people. 50 years later there is still literally nothing out there.
Yeah, in my country you up untill 2 years ago (haven't checked after that) had guys selling "future building parcells". They needed to change zoning first offcourse (and hadn't talked to the gov. At all). Anybody with a brain could see that nothing will ever be build there after they sell their plots. At that stage you have a couple 100 owners who all be pissed if they have to pay extra to compensate the losers who lose their plot in order to build roads. And that is without other infrastructure. As a gov. Employee I feel comfortable to say that it won't happen. Especially since the farmer next door has land that can be rezoned with a plan for all the important (but non profitable) stuff as part of the deal, whilst not dealing with at least 50 lawsuits in the process(thus making the turnaround at least 5 to 10 years shorter).
Anyone in (a) the community who has an interest in reviewing any proposed major works by private developers would benefit from watching these clips from Utopia - They highlight the types of Q's needed to be asked of both the developers and state and local government.
Missed a primo opportunity to say they have to build the track for the public transport, but once its built there will be trains coming down the track 😂😂😂
@@michaelseparovich indeed, but Yes Minister is now decades in the past. We need this anew. I don't think anyone in our media industry has the wit or perspective to do that. Ianucci comes close with In the Thick of It, but he's too sweary and maybe too cynical.
People laugh at this comedy, but the sad truth this is how it works. Politicians and their golfing buddies (lobbyists) have discussions and the pollies make it happen. Money makes the decisions and pollies get the payback with their 'friends' helping them with friends taking them on holidays, loaning them things, doing favours and getting a nice job as an advisor in some corporate job. Utopia is Yes Minister updated.
@@stuckupcurlyguy As opposed to...? Nono, you're right. We should only build houses where there are already houses. Only build infrastructure where there is already infrastructure.
@@SupachargedGaming this but unironically. Australian cities are far too low density and need more medium density with good access to services and transit
Australian political TV is such absolute ace, perhaps because your politics are such a tragicomedy already. Wish it was easier to see outside your country though. Thanks for flipping the video tho for us up north
The reasons I'll never never ever buy on one of these stoopid communities is - 1) Convenant rules, you have to use preselected colour schemes, type approves fences and mailboxes.. I love the idea of spending my life paying off a dwelling that I'm not allowed to modify and design without approval.. awesome 👎🏽 2) your neighbours will dob on you for parking on your own grass 3) your neighbours will dob on you for making exactly 34db music on a Saturday evening 4) the same neighbours that dob on you will leave their shi77y barking chihuahua all day long at work 5) the streets are built too narrow, so how can the rubbish truck driver navigate the street?? Insanity
It would be funny, if it didn't seem so true. I'm at an age where I don't want my comedy to mirror reality, reality is bad enough, and I've lost the ability to laugh at it.
This is why economists say immigration is good for the economy, and the country. It’s certainly good for some, no doubt. Aus had nearly half a million immigrants in 2023. And the media and politicians always speak as if it’s some kind of natural phenomenon over which there is no control. “Oh look, the immigration has been very high this year. Isn’t that interesting?”.
this is not a comedy its window of how the things are done, with smoke and mirrors , HR and Jargon , everything is implied but its not guaranteed . I wish it was just a comedy.
How true are the story's on Utopia, governments wasting tax payer's money and development and projects that go over budget and not to mention the blank cheques
now we know what the first settlers experienced back in 1776, no reticulated water , no plumbing, no electricity, no gas, no Malls, no medical centres, no central planning, no gyms, no Coles, no BP, no SUV's, no EV's, no PV's, no PC's, no AC's, no Tic Tok.......................................................
this is unlikely, not without government funding support would developers build where there are little to low infrastructure support as it would not be able to sell for high price😏
Then you need to get into your car and drive to places west of Melbourne like Rockbank, Thornhill Park, Aintree, Eynesbury, Strathtulloch, Weir Views to name just a few
As a developer I do have to ask, do you want more housing or not? Because if the answer is no you better stop importing more people, because if the population goes up they are going to need someplace to live.
All developers in outer growing suburbs should be mandated to contribute to the cost of infrastructure (not the planning of infrastructure, you would be shithouse at that).
@@RD-ni7qe But they don’t. I mean this what people don’t get when they say they want affordable housing. Mandating the through costs doesn’t mean the developer pays, it means the buyer pays. Rather than the community building the infrastructure it wants to encourage growth, it slams the newcomers with all the costs. House prices go up for every extra demand placed on the developer, and then you wonder why they don’t build housing less well off people could buy. They literally can’t.
@@RD-ni7qe People who have no idea of the economics of development are always full of suggestions on how to make projects unviable. You might as well demand that coffee sell for 20c a cup or soap powder be sold to you at 5c a packet. All that will happen is there will be no coffee or soap powder. Just once in your life try thinking about the cost of development paying Australian wages, meeting union and government rules, and working through the ridiculous red tape imposed by governments and Councils. The planning legislation in my council area in Melbourne is more than 1,500 pages, and half of those pages are just references to other external documents. People are out there wanting to buy housing, while green councils are making developers compile reports on their urban art inclusions.
All seasons of Utopia are now streaming on ABC iview! 🚁
Watch here: bit.ly/44G38Gl
Where can I watch this in the states?
I live in one of these fully integrated communities and the only thing that is integrated about it is the lack of any facilities, which is fully integrated across the community.
I agree the urban sprawl is terrible but the government also gets in the way of letting business set up easily and why did they approve it if there’s no government facilities i mean - they shouldn’t be so corrupt
You must be living in Molonglo Valley in the ACT.
Thousands of high rise apartments. Thousands and thousands of people.
Only a pathetic IGA.
No community facilities.
Give it a few years and the kids will create their own...
@@kaypendergast5676 its not just Canberra, although it is a capital example (pardon the pun)
its happening everywhere
But what about that lake??
You sir, deserve an award for your observation.
As always with Utopia, I can no longer tell if these tears rolling down my face are from laughter or despair.
It starts at laughter. But the more you watch, the more it's despair.
@@nelsonfysh Too true, too true… It's part of Working Dog's skill-set.
TEARS ARE FROM REALISATION
Most likely a little bit of both!
I love the show but also I take psychic damage whenever I watch it or go to click on an episode.
It is amazing how big companies can clear entire swathes of bushland but an individual can't cut 1 tree down without numerous permits & fees.
If you played golf with the right people, you could cut-down whatever you wanted too.
storms knock down trees mate wise up
My old man cut down a massive gum tree which nearly killed my mum.
The council tried chasing us up for penalties until he offered to settle it in court, with photo evidence.
They backed off nice and quick on that one.
I seriously don't understand why cutting these hazards down is so illegal when the bloody things are practically a weed.
Canberra again.
Destroyed Northbourne Avenue
No they gotta get the same permits, they just pay people full time to do all that excessive bullshit
It's also great how these ahh... 'Fully Integrated Communities' have one intersection connecting them to a main road so there's a perpetual queue of cars backed up every morning
I much prefer that - stops all the "new residents" from unduly blocking up the already over-capacity roads to other existing desitinations. Unless the developer invests in extra pubic transport and/or another lane on every road from the estate to the city, they should be denied.
Just put in a roundabout mate, it'll be fine.
Anyone watching from the fully integrated community of Marsden Park?
There’s a few of these popping up near me, and the public transport won’t even go there because of there only being one road in and out.
This could win the award for best documentary.
They say that violence doesn't solve anything, but after watching this clip I'm getting an irresistible urge to slap 3 out of the 4 characters from this clip
The characters in this clip are portraying something far less violent than our actual economy.
Utopia has to be one of the best shows on the disfunctionality of Government. It’s just brilliant.
Local and Central government
Well-written and acted with superb comic-timing. Love these!
Not really. Everyone acts the same way.
@@kubabooba548 agreed, the lines are delivered too quickly, acting is really weird
Agree, the delivery is stupidly funny.
Half of Lano and Woodly here was a nice touch too.
@@adoptedegg_3392 All the characters react the same way, so all the characters lack individual personalities.
It's because they are highlighting the only two 'sane/normal' characters in the series - Tony and Nat. Everyone else is a charactiture of their roles ie Corporate HR person, Government employees, Spin Doctors, Middle Management, Consultants, Developers, Union Reps etc
Laughing in the train and would keep laughing…. Down the track😁😁😁
It's a re-enactment of real Australia.
It's a reenactment of every government in the world.
Exposing the greatest and most prolific Ponzie Scheme in history, that continues to this day, and will continue well into the future.
Well if it's a ponzi then don't buy a house. Problem solved.
The UK media and developers constantly whine about planning laws stopping delivery of housing, but those laws exists for the reasons picked out in this video. In the South East, we have had a boom in housing, but no more schools, hospitals or roads with promises they will be built, which is at best 10 years after the houses are occupied.
So developers can move quickly but governments move slowly? Colour me shocked.
Don't know anything about this show, but I do love that the title reads as "When Property Developers Want To Build Utopia"
"Down the Track"
You'll be walking down the Track for 20 years 😂
All those facilities are available "down the track" at the city 90 minutes away. Have fun driving the kids to school!
haha honestly. just shake my head. what can you do. thats all they build now. Clear a load of bush, build single family homes in cul de sacs with no shops or amenities, no transport options so everyone has to buy a car just to be able to buy a loaf of bread. rinse and repeat.
Well buy a block of land and develop your own estate. You can put all the infrastructure in first and then go broke.
"Down the track....."
If the airport isn’t getting public transport, your new housing estate is lucky to get a bus
Brilliant acting and facial expressions by the actress... remarkable
This probably is a docu story for every big metropolis in the world. Developers and politicians cozying up to each other.
This show is perfect, because it is true.😂😂
Hats off to you Aussies for 100% taking Dilbert and putting into the real world chaos that is filled with this mess. Good on ya! ;)
You have to laugh or you'll cry. Doesn't matter if it is bushland full of wildlife, or lush green productive farmland, apparently it all needs to make way for thousands of McMansions on 400 square metre blocks. Isn't progress wonderful?
Before I was born they did this exact thing in New Mexico and sold thousands of home lots to people. 50 years later there is still literally nothing out there.
Yeah, in my country you up untill 2 years ago (haven't checked after that) had guys selling "future building parcells".
They needed to change zoning first offcourse (and hadn't talked to the gov. At all). Anybody with a brain could see that nothing will ever be build there after they sell their plots. At that stage you have a couple 100 owners who all be pissed if they have to pay extra to compensate the losers who lose their plot in order to build roads. And that is without other infrastructure.
As a gov. Employee I feel comfortable to say that it won't happen. Especially since the farmer next door has land that can be rezoned with a plan for all the important (but non profitable) stuff as part of the deal, whilst not dealing with at least 50 lawsuits in the process(thus making the turnaround at least 5 to 10 years shorter).
Who needs public transport when there is a single arterial road feeding the entire estate connected to a single already congested highway?
Colin Lane!!!! Yes yes yes!! So happy to see him on the screen again!
What’s the difference
Facts 😆😆😆
Anyone in (a) the community who has an interest in reviewing any proposed major works by private developers would benefit from watching these clips from Utopia - They highlight the types of Q's needed to be asked of both the developers and state and local government.
First watched this in my teens and thought it sucked... and I miss that ignorance
Love it so much.
Down the track means no haha
Missed a primo opportunity to say they have to build the track for the public transport, but once its built there will be trains coming down the track 😂😂😂
art immitating life.
Is this a documentary about point cook?
I really feel this could be made into a British TV programme with very little change.
Its australian yes minister
@@michaelseparovich indeed, but Yes Minister is now decades in the past. We need this anew. I don't think anyone in our media industry has the wit or perspective to do that. Ianucci comes close with In the Thick of It, but he's too sweary and maybe too cynical.
i swear this is already an american tv program
Need more Colin Lane on my TV!
People laugh at this comedy, but the sad truth this is how it works. Politicians and their golfing buddies (lobbyists) have discussions and the pollies make it happen. Money makes the decisions and pollies get the payback with their 'friends' helping them with friends taking them on holidays, loaning them things, doing favours and getting a nice job as an advisor in some corporate job. Utopia is Yes Minister updated.
If I had a housing crisis I would simply build more housing.
In the middle of nowhere?
@@stuckupcurlyguy As opposed to...? Nono, you're right. We should only build houses where there are already houses. Only build infrastructure where there is already infrastructure.
@@SupachargedGaming this but unironically. Australian cities are far too low density and need more medium density with good access to services and transit
Australian political TV is such absolute ace, perhaps because your politics are such a tragicomedy already. Wish it was easier to see outside your country though.
Thanks for flipping the video tho for us up north
The reasons I'll never never ever buy on one of these stoopid communities is -
1) Convenant rules, you have to use preselected colour schemes, type approves fences and mailboxes.. I love the idea of spending my life paying off a dwelling that I'm not allowed to modify and design without approval.. awesome 👎🏽
2) your neighbours will dob on you for parking on your own grass
3) your neighbours will dob on you for making exactly 34db music on a Saturday evening
4) the same neighbours that dob on you will leave their shi77y barking chihuahua all day long at work
5) the streets are built too narrow, so how can the rubbish truck driver navigate the street?? Insanity
It would be funny, if it didn't seem so true. I'm at an age where I don't want my comedy to mirror reality, reality is bad enough, and I've lost the ability to laugh at it.
I'm just disappointed Frank wasn't a co-developer.
Should have been with the AFL with all the handballs
Please let me watch this show in the US!!!!!!!!!!!!
Hilarious how this is the Southeastern US in a nutshell right now
😅😅
so. much. truth.
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Documentary on fully integrated community developments anyone ?
Dan Andrews must have recently watched this
This is why economists say immigration is good for the economy, and the country. It’s certainly good for some, no doubt. Aus had nearly half a million immigrants in 2023. And the media and politicians always speak as if it’s some kind of natural phenomenon over which there is no control. “Oh look, the immigration has been very high this year. Isn’t that interesting?”.
Fully integrated..... = One road
Do housing developers really need federal approval in Australia? Seems like it should be a municipal responsibility.
It is indeed a municipal responsibility. This program takes a lot of poetic license.
I hate developers. I worked as a Public Works Director and they're all like this.
this is not a comedy its window of how the things are done, with smoke and mirrors , HR and Jargon , everything is implied but its not guaranteed . I wish it was just a comedy.
Sums up how unliveable Sydney truly is
“Auscon” yep very definite con.
This is why zoning is evil.
@sunshinecoastcouncil rinse repeat x 40 years
How true are the story's on Utopia, governments wasting tax payer's money and development and projects that go over budget and not to mention the blank cheques
I wish i could laugh at this but its just sad
Good to know all developed countries have the same BS we have created for ourselves.
now we know what the first settlers experienced back in 1776, no reticulated water , no plumbing, no electricity, no gas, no Malls, no medical centres, no central planning, no gyms, no Coles, no BP, no SUV's, no EV's, no PV's, no PC's, no AC's, no Tic Tok.......................................................
1788 perhaps?
this is unlikely, not without government funding support would developers build where there are little to low infrastructure support as it would not be able to sell for high price😏
Just make the blocks slightly larger, and market them as providing the rural lifestyle while still within an easy drive of big city amenities.
Then you need to get into your car and drive to places west of Melbourne like Rockbank, Thornhill Park, Aintree, Eynesbury, Strathtulloch, Weir Views to name just a few
@@Thermalions but how do you get the ROI if you don't put 10x as many dwellings on the quarter acre blocK?
As a developer I do have to ask, do you want more housing or not? Because if the answer is no you better stop importing more people, because if the population goes up they are going to need someplace to live.
As a non developer, surely you could take a small profit hit to not screw over all the people buying from you....
People want quality housing in mixed used developments with access to nearby facilities. Not isolated suburban sprawl.
All developers in outer growing suburbs should be mandated to contribute to the cost of infrastructure (not the planning of infrastructure, you would be shithouse at that).
@@RD-ni7qe But they don’t. I mean this what people don’t get when they say they want affordable housing. Mandating the through costs doesn’t mean the developer pays, it means the buyer pays. Rather than the community building the infrastructure it wants to encourage growth, it slams the newcomers with all the costs. House prices go up for every extra demand placed on the developer, and then you wonder why they don’t build housing less well off people could buy. They literally can’t.
@@RD-ni7qe People who have no idea of the economics of development are always full of suggestions on how to make projects unviable. You might as well demand that coffee sell for 20c a cup or soap powder be sold to you at 5c a packet. All that will happen is there will be no coffee or soap powder. Just once in your life try thinking about the cost of development paying Australian wages, meeting union and government rules, and working through the ridiculous red tape imposed by governments and Councils. The planning legislation in my council area in Melbourne is more than 1,500 pages, and half of those pages are just references to other external documents. People are out there wanting to buy housing, while green councils are making developers compile reports on their urban art inclusions.