@@spokehedz this hardware is the fill rate that was very fast on the console. That's why in Silent Hill 2 the fog is the best on PS2. That's why rain in MGS2 didn't cause trouble like for Xbox and PC. Fill rate is great for these purposes. What it allows you to do is put many effects without slowing down the console, so, even layering of screen filling transparencies is not a big challenge.
I don't know why anyone, ever, in any "timeline" would think that suit looked good...ugghhhh...I remember watching in 2005 and thinking the same thing! haha
Stellar video, dude! Appreciate you going over how well the modified compatibility files work as well. I believe I tried them one time years ago and for whatever reason couldn't get them to work properly. Although I'm also more of the mindset of having emulation for convenience, but preference goes to native hardware.
I have to say as an owner of several original xbox games and several xbox 360 games, the emulation is up to speed; I have yet to see bugs and glitches.
@John Hooper Yeah I feel the same as both of you do. Think of games like JSR Future, Rallisport Challenge 2 and so many others greats all running in high res.
I had forgotten how massive the 360 OG compatibility was (500 titles). I wonder why they don't port their impressive dynarec method to One and SX? Is it mostly about licensing, where they want to make sure each approved title can be sold in their store or be on Gamepass?
@@GLAAAAAR Ironically, One & Series have more in common with the original Xbox than the 360, due to 360 being the only one using a PowerPC architecture, so there's just a lot less to emulate overall. So, no dynarec necessary. So therefore it should be trivial to add new games to One & Series. (Well, maybe dynarec for the GPU actually, but that's the biggest hurdle when it comes to Xbox emulation anyway)
I've watched this video three times now. Still getting something from it. Love your channel mate. It's great to see someone with a strong engineering background going in depth into this stuff. I'm actually learning stuff while watching RUclips! Who would have thought?
Wow the quality of that 2005 conference was excellent video quality and there was so much energy and professionalism. I miss when new gen of systems meant u got a huge graphics leap.
@@callmexxjacobxx The EE+GS chip (along with the entire 32MB RDRAM cluster which was perfectly copied) on the original PS3 motherboard was essentially an expensive dead weight when PS2 emulation wasn't running (as opposed to the IOP aka the PS1 CPU on the PS2, which was used for I/O and was fully programmable for game devs). It was therefore the obvious choice to remove it with the first PAL release, keeping the GS in place which eventually got canned as well. Note that the PS3 launched at a MSRP of $499 (still selling at a whopping loss of around $300), while the 360 retailed at $279 at the time (selling at only a tiny loss), so Sony was desperate to cut down on costs to decrease their losses and allow for a lower price point. Backwards compatibility would have remained in situ if SCEI actually allowed developers to access the EE+GS as a coprocessor while in PS3 mode (while causing nightmares for the financial department *and* further complicating game development)
3:12 Technical correction, as written in the slide, the Xbox 360 uses GDDR3 and not DDR3 as you mentioned. these are separate DRAM technologies and should not be confused. both CPU and GPU shared this pool of GDDR3, which among other integrations meant performance speedups that kept the console a relevant platform as long as it did.
Fascinating. I used to own both an original Xbox, and 360. Sadly the Xbox went to console heaven, but my 360 held out aside from Red Rings, and several refurbished missions later. On a + note, I did enjoy my library. Surprising how technical the level of BC was able to work on 360 and now One. But I have always learned that consoles have fascinating stories to tell. Both systems contained a fun library, and its great we can revisit them anytime. Just makes me scratch my head why Sony is so stubborn with BC, even though the PSX-PS3 contain a vast library. Lots of treasures from past systems, but also pretty bonkers that digital versions of the games are somewhat limited (reasons of course). But if people own past games and want to pick up and play, it should be a give in. Hopefully Microsoft continues to support BC, and to the future. (still bizarre how Jet Set Radio has not been greenlit to have another run)
What's struck me lately is how nice a lot of the art and graphics on these older consoles have held out over the years. If I heard that accent while visiting the USA I'd feel like I never left Melbourne! Keep up the killer content, thank you.
RogueAgent4 does anyone know how i can play my damned old ass game!? I got a cool Call of Cthulhu game at a pawnshop after hunting online, yet my 360 suddenly got an update when i went to a friends house w it to play. (I live in a brick shithole w no wifi or net. ) Now i cant play this game. How do i get the update off my 360!?
Also, I'm kinda tech-tarded, so if u know the help, be kind n dumb down 4 me. Not a programmer by any means. Computers still took tapes u turned to side 2 when i was in 6th grade...😬
@@motoemnk3839 i was just hoping for a way to clear the updates off it so i can play it again. Xbox has a thing on their site, but it didnt work. And the code for backwards compat is still on the machine, this damned update is blocking it.
Have you ever played Original Xbox Shenmue 2 on the 360? Its an officially backwards compatible game but on the 360 it is missing all shadows and lighting effects. It makes it look really bland and flat and looks a lot better on the original Xbox. If Microsoft were that fussy about running games as close to perfect as possible I'm surprised they let that one slip through.
i have and yeah i notice that too. especially at night time. Also i tried some of the arcade games and trying to play Hang On froze my system. they definitely let some games fall through the cracks in terms of quality over others
Fingers crossed the mythical HD remake of Shenmue 1 & 2 is actually released. I could really do with playing them both again before Shenmue 3 is released but don't own any of the hardware to play the originals. Tried Demul but it never seems to remember my saves (or I don't know how to use it!) :-(
A similar glitch happens in Psychonauts. If you pause with Raz (your character) in the center of the screen, his outfit changes to the background color of the pause menu until you exit to the dashboard.
Panzer Draoon Orta is also on the official list but the Xbox 360 will crash at the second stage every time, for me :(. Though some say it runs fine. Anyone else have trouble with it?
@@LukeLunn Yep! I don’t know how well it would run, but people have installed Xenia on Xbox Series S/X consoles. I haven’t gone that far. My Series X has problems with emulating 6th gen consoles like ps2 and gamecube. So I only play 5th gen and earlier games on it.
For anyone interested, the XBOX 360 demonstrated in the video is the "E" model. Some have speculated that the "E" either stands for Elite as it had a completely new if generic design. Some have said it means "E" for End model as it was the final itineration of the X360 or, and this one I personally like is the "E" as in Economy. This model retains all X360 functionality but with one less USB port and the SPDIF (optical audio) has been deleted. You can only get digital audio either via an HDMI splitter box (strips the audio from the cable and allows you to use a SPDIF or Coax digital cable) or From your TV speaker out or Digital receiver with HDMI in). It's dumb and this seems to just be a cost cutting measure hence the Econobox. But despite that, it's a nice system with clean lines resembling an XBox One and a bit smaller for fitting in a stereo cabinet. It has the annoying piano black shine but overall? It doesn't deserve the hate it gets as it was mostly because the black version came with a Kinect and 4GB built in storage (the hard drive was optional). You can add a hard drive and it is also compatible with the HD-DVD attachment (all models were). If you find an E or the rare edition models they are worth getting.
1:24 CORRECTION: The PS3 removed PS2 backwards compatibility due to manufacturing costs. Sony lost close to $200 USD for every PS3 sold and by 2007 Sony lost $2B USD. It wasn't until the hardware for PS2 backwards compatibility was removed and a complete redesign of the PS3 motherboard that Sony finally began making a profit. EDIT: here's the source: ruclips.net/video/AOBixPfYl3o/видео.html
Well, on the PAL versions it was software-emulation. Wouldn't affect hardware costs, however the software emulation was removed with a firmware update released in april 2010, along with the OtherOS-support.
I'm done arguing with you. I gave you a source and you act like a child. I just forgot to put one when I first typed the comment. I've since corrected my mistake and I apologize for not adding it at first. As for the source itself, DYKG is one of the most credible sources for information relating to gaming facts. If it wasn't, I doubt they wouldn't have been able to get some people known for having good knowledge pertaining to gaming (Lazy Game Reviews, JonTron, Caddicarus, ect.). As I said, I'm done arguing with you so please go annoy someone else. Goodbye.
the PS3 also had some hardware issues besides manufacturing costs, so those are the two reasons they removed it. people also forget that the PS3 also had a PS1 emulator, when you combine that with the PS2 emulator, that's alot of information. i was around 7 when my parents bought me the PS2 for Christmas in 2002, so when the PS3 and 360 came around, i told my parents not to sell my PS2. so when the prices started to come down, my mom bought me the 360 in 2008. i saved some money myself and the following year in 2009, i bought the PS3 Slim. i don't believe in trading a console for a new one, so in this generation i don't believe in the Xbox One X or PS4 Pro. i have the Xbox One S and PS4.
Jerome VV Raven James I still have all my older consoles. Been mainly playing my Xbox One S along with my PC. This is how gaming should be. You play on all platforms regardless what others have to say. Gaming is gaming regardless what you game on. Sadly I've never owned or seen a Sega console in person. ):
I loved the backwards compatibility on xbox 360 because I didn't have a original Xbox so I was able to go back and play halo 1,2 and a bunch of other games I couldn't play on PS2 or was too young to play when they came out. I think I spent most of my first 2 years with the 360 playing mostly original Xbox games lol
Great video. I used to play original xbox games on my 360 alot just due to the HDMI out. Never realized how much work the 360 had to do in order to play the game.
Thanks for your video. I now realized that I unknowingly implemented patented algorithms in my emulators. :-) Small addendum to the explanation at all 10:21. The method described in US20070016895 goes beyond omitting translation in values whose byte-representation is "reversible", but also optimizes store-loads and floating-point access. 1. Note that big-endian (BE) vs little-endian (LE) does not matter if you store-then-load memory. BE: write16(0x1000, 0x1234) -> 0x1000: 12 34 -> read16(0x1000) == 0x1234 LE: write16(0x1000, 0x1234) -> 0x1000: 34 12 -> read16(0x1000) == 0x1234 Issues appear only when you write in BE, then read in LE, or vice versa. But if your host system is writing-then-reading some value, why not accessing memory with native endianness and omit endian translation instructions? There's a catch though: what if a value is written, and then a subset of that value is read: BE: write16(0x1000, 0x1234) -> 0x1000: 12 34 -> read8(0x1000) == 0x12 LE: write16(0x1000, 0x1234) -> 0x1000: 34 12 -> read8(0x1000) == 0x34 However, there's situations where you can proof ahead of time that the value will always be accessed wholly, allowing you to perform this optimization: 1. Local variables in a function (only when no stack addresses are passed to other functions). 2. Return addresses (rarely accessed at a byte-level). 3. Floating-point values (rarely accessed at a byte-level). This can be implemented as just another optimization pass at function level (which is what they do at US20070006178).
I worked for years on RPCS3 (PS3 emulator) during 2013-2015 and then started my own PS3 emulator named Nucleus, just to experiment with few ideas regarding CPU binary translation like the endian translation omission, among other things. Now I'm developing a low-level PS4 emulator named Orbital, but it's still far away from playable games. :-)
alexaltea123 wow dude, keep up the good work! Really impressive stuff! it reads like Chinese too me lol, thank goodness for people like you so people like me can enjoy emulators!
I hope you have a nice day writing this emulator. I'm really interested in the emulation scene, even with 14 years old, but let me finish my CHIP-8 emulator first xD.
One thing I don't get tho: How were they able to get so many games running perfectly well by basically writing a superb emulator but those few games still break something?
The games that do not work likely made use a part of the original console that was not emulated properly due to either the particular function not being needed by the games the emulator was designed for or was broken by a fix for one of the games they developed the emulator for
Xemu and CXBX for PC are INCREDIBLE emulators for PC right now. Between the two you can get many many games running perfectly! These both gained exponential progress the last 18 months due to COVID and so many people being at home working on these.
Regarding why the Street Fighter collection didn't make the cut... Capcom intended to put out those games again on the 360, so of course they would not want to allow MS to do it.
You should double check the official Xbox list for Xbox 360. I've already made a comment that the 360 is officially compatible with Street Fighter Anniversary Collection.
lol Activision was really bad about it too. GUN, Tony Hawk's American Wasteland, and TH Project 8 were all on both Xbox and 360, and of course, the Xbox versions never worked on the 360 officially. thanks bobby
Really disappointing to see a lot of the classics on this don’t run very well on 360... Slowdowns, graphic drops, and other things ruin the experience...
Well emulation is never perfect and MS did not bothered to update the emulator that why so many games run like ass in the xbox 360, the complete opposite of how MS handled the BC on the xbox one.
@@NobleS1236 and they never removed halo ce from whitelist,when halo cea came out.But halo 2 original is not in xbox one whitelist,maybe because of mcc.
In emulation, a bit to bit perfect sound translation is difficult at best. However, there might have been a way and it comes from the arcade emulator called MAME. Some of the audio files have not been CPU and soundcard translatable, so they resorted to "samples" they are audio files that fill in for the missing sound bytes. Microsoft could have updated the backwards emulation with a simple settings page and either added slightly lower quality sound files for the sounds they could not get to work well, or even allow the user to simply set a bit rate for the sound output. Say like instead of CD quality audio at 44k, you could opt for half that 22k or even lower to improve performance. A PC with a sound card has always had that ability. They could offer it on consoles but opt not to. There are a LOT of performance tweaks that would have helped sound, video, or other performance issues. What gets me is that the PowerPC is actually a Cyrix Processor before they were bought by IBM. So the Cyrix Processor was x86 compatible, therefore it stands to reason most of the instruction sets and command calls for x86 are also compatible with the Cyrix chip. Looks like on the fly translation. The Cyrix ignored the commands that were identical with the XBox Classic Pentium III as the Cyrix is a PC Compatible chip so it seems it only concentrated on the commands and instructions that were different between the two and assigned graphics and mathematical calculations to the Power PC's available multithreads. Seems then they many of the problems could have been surmounted if Microsoft had added at least another 512Mb or more of RAM as a cache for when the backwards compatibility was used, or additional video coprocessing to handle the graphics while freeing up the Power PC to handle other tasks.
its easy to write this off as "just another emulator" nowadays with xemu in existance but it's important to keep in mind that this was here nearly 2 decades earlier and was running on hardware several times weaker than our crazy fast x86 pcs that dont even need cpu translation, yet still managed to deliver similar performance to the original xbox itself
Takes me back to the days of PSP modding. My favorite thing to do was turn my own PS1 games into eboots I could run with the built in emulator. I believe the PSP had the advantage of running on a similar CPU architecture to the PS1 though. What the 360 does with a totally different architecture, and only a single generation later at that, is pretty impressive. I'll never forget the infamous Halo 2 bug though, where bits of a previous scene would be inexplicably stuck on screen over everything else. I didn't know it at the time, but that was a big giveaway that these games were running in an emulator.
Another great video MVG! I didn't realise the XBox360 was doing emulation of the original XBox games. Considering each console is using a different CPU, this is an amazing feat of software engineering. I have to ask the follow up question: why didn't Microsoft just simple add the x86 CPU on the XBox360 board or extension board and the system just switch between each CPU depending on what game you played? I suspect software emulation was the easiest route to take.
The issue more than likely came from the fact that being a newcomer to the console space, they didn't think to buy the manufacturing rights for the OG Xbox chipsets so they could have other parties other than Intel/NVidia make them. NVidia was actually the reason the OG Xbox had a short life instead of continuing to offer it through the early years of the 360 like Sony did with the PS2. NVidia decided they weren't going to make anymore of the GPUs for the Xbox even though Microsoft wanted to. They eventually worked out a deal to emulate specific NVidia APIs for games that specifically used them liked Splinter Cell.
Michael Oglesby Michael Oglesby so it was money, you can't argue because they didn't even have wifi built in or hd dvd which was a big miss and contributed to the fat L it took compared to ps3 being a blu ray player all in one with wifi. But it kept the price down, the other issue we saw first hand was the original ps3 which played ps2 games and had ps2 chipset built in, causing more heat and more problems unfortunately. Ps3 continued to play ps1 games which is nice but no 6th gen shit unlike 360 which i rarely ever used for xbox games because well i STILL use my original xbox for it. It's just better for it. Unless all you have is hdmi than you're using a 360 or eventually xbox one when they get the xbox BC expanded.
I suspect that Microsoft cant shoulder more losses on each console sold.Sony included ps2 hardware with NTSC launch PS3s only to backpedal and removing the PS2 CPU with the Eu launch and finally dropping ps2 support with subsequent ps3 revisions.Sony took about 4 years before it came out with an emulator used in the PS2 classic
Learnt a Computer Science concept that I've never learnt in Uni just from watching this clip. Never heard of Endianness before. Have so much to kee learning even over a decade later.
I really liked the XBox way back when, and I do prefer to play games on their original hardware, but the OG XBox is just so big to have out at the same time as other consoles if you're pressed for space!!
I didn’t know they kept working on BC for the 360 for so long. When I got my first 360 it would only play 6 or 7 of my OG games, I ended up trading in the ones that didn’t work, which I fully regretted doing. Now I’ve been debuting those old OG games as got the old OG Xbox out again. Such a great console.
These AWS ads are getting real old real fast. So long and my hands are busy so I can't skip! Anyways, love listening to your vids at work, MVG is the MVP!
I remember I could not play my Metal Slug disc on the 360, BUT I could buy/download it from arcade.... The arcade edition did not have all of the game either, only the standard campaign.. I think there was some other games that I had similar experience with too.
List is better but not the emulation itself. For Xbox one Microsoft made sure that all the bc games worked perfect or better while the 360 bc is far from perfect
15:52 I've just checked the official Xbox compatibility list for Xbox 360 and Street Fighter Anniversary Collection (the game you've tested in the video) is part of it. There's no need to modify the compatibility files when the game is already compatible on unmodified Xbox 360's. Just wanted to clear that up. Great video though.
Jet Set Radio Future runs terrible on the Xbox 360 once you get to the areas outside of the garage. It has to be played on the original Xbox or else you’ll get a lot of slow down.
Fun fact: while the 360 and Original don't share any hardware, the DVD drive in the 360 does still contain all the authentication/anti-piracy routines used by the Original. The Xbox One takes this even further and has all the X360 & Original Xbox anti-piracy stuff built-in since launch, showing that they've planned backward-compat since the beginning! (there's even hardware built into the Xbone CPU for decoding X360-specific formats such as textures and audio, back when X360 back-compat was announced MS did a very neat talk about it all)
Absolutely fantastic. I never knew that the emulation can be modified to run these Xbox titles. I think Microsoft should be given more credit. They had an emulator that can can run almost all the games, and only patched enough to get most of the original games to work. Growing up I had several Xbox titles that I was mad that I could not play, mind you this when I was 10 yeas old. Thank you for enlightening me on what was going on behind the scenes. Lets hope the can get even more titles for the Xbox one.
When I put an original Xbox game on my 360 it reads the disc and then the screen goes black but then it kicks me back to the 360 main screen and gives me an error code that the disc could not be read and to go to xbox.com/support. I bought a non Microsoft HD to put in my 360, is that why I can't run any original xbox games??
Excellent vid👍 X360 was indeed a very special console for M$ and now I see thx to your vid that its OG Xbox SW emulator was a very special and efficient piece of code. Only if Sony finally inspired themselves in this way and created something like this even with HW support to provide full backwards compatibility for all the previous PSs.
5:47 - I have to say, you definitely didn't play the game to get this result. Areas like 99th street or Hikage Street run like absolute dog shit on Xbox 360, like, less than 15FPS most of the time in the case of 99th street. JSRF definitely wasn't a "good effort" for the BC on 360.
Not Officially, but if you jtag your Xbox 360 and never connect it to the Internet...you can install Digital OG Xbox Games and some Digital 360s Game Files in it. You can make a Library depending on your Hard Drive capacity.
Manhunt was officially supported, but for some reason you could only hear the director by wearing a physical headset. Yet oddly that makes sense because in the game, your character IS wearing a headset to listen to the director (character) Also Silent Hill 2: Restless Dreams has an issue with backwards compatibility (officially supported as well). The flashlight projects behind the character. It just broke the immersion and experience too much. Funny how 2 of my favorite games of all time are supported on BC yet both have issues.
I'm not an Xbox fan by any means but hats off to the people who actually managed to make the two systems, with totally different specs/architectures, able to be backwards compatible. BC is honestly a great feature to have :)
Midtown Madness 3! My childhood game back on the original Xbox and one of my first two racing games ever, besides Burnout 3! It's still such a shame the game doesn't work on the Xbox 360... I miss it at times.
Later PS3 models can still play PS2 Classics using a software emulator which, by the way, can be used to play any game on hacked PS3s, much like the Xbox 360's emulator. It can't play original discs, though.
@@nastysdsi but how well does the ps3 emulate the ps2 games compared to the 360 with the OG games? Is there a higher compatibility list or is it more or less the same.
@@Abel-Alvarez A lot of games are playable. I'm not sure how the compatibility of ps2_netemu compares to FU's, but the PS2 has a much larger library to begin with. Most incompatible games were ported natively to PS3, so I'd say you can almost play anything. You can also play PS1 games (there is a homebrew PS1 emulator for the Xbox, but it's not nearly as compatible) and a few PSP ones as well. By the way, there are unofficial compatibility lists.
they REALLY do (even superslim models), it is just sony doing sony things. You have to buy PS2 classics from the PSN but they are just PS2 ISOS properly converted to be read by the PS3's software emulator. Check PS3 scene and you will see. They did it with PSP games too.
Here's a fun fact about the 360's backwards compatibility. Even on a fully updated system, if you insert in a CD containing an official backwards compatibility update (you just download the files from Microsoft or whatever and burn them), the updater still uses the Blades UI last seen in 2008. Even if your console already has the last backwards compatibility update, it'll still pop up. Give it a try if you want a trip back through memory lane.
it wasn't either. it was a slightly customized cpu, based off the pentium 3 but closer in specs to the celeron. the only difference between a pentium 3 and a celeron was cache anyway.
Microsoft: The Xbox 360 will be backwards compatible with MOST of the best-selling Xbox games! Sony:hold my beer *makes PS3 fully backwards compatible*
Emulation Team: We will call this Fusion.
Microsoft: We don't like it.
Emulation Team: F U!!!
Microsoft: Perfect!!!
Hugo Jasach Verdugo Quintero "Just when I think you couldn't come up with a lamer name, you do this.... AND TOTALLY REDEEM YOURSELF!" Haha
all i gotta say is, why change the name, Fusion is an interesting name.
mgs2 substance ran very poorly on the OG xbox in the rain sections. not an emulation issue at all.
but everyone knows that ps4 is better than XBOX1. i rather play my xbox 360 more than my XBOX1. xbox 360 has the greatest memories.
+Ben Keith I'm pretty sure the rain areas ran slowly even on ps2.
The slowdown in MGS2 was also in the OG XBOX release. So...that's just good emulation
Yeah, the game was optimized for PS2 hardware that was perfect for that exact rain.
@@cheshirekershaw I don't doubt that Sony had special "Rain Enhancing Hardware" at least in planning stages.
@@spokehedz this hardware is the fill rate that was very fast on the console. That's why in Silent Hill 2 the fog is the best on PS2. That's why rain in MGS2 didn't cause trouble like for Xbox and PC. Fill rate is great for these purposes. What it allows you to do is put many effects without slowing down the console, so, even layering of screen filling transparencies is not a big challenge.
@@spokehedz You do realize that devs get development kits years before the console is gold to go to retail
@@cfdeers I doubt that's the case with ports however.
Didn't realise that you could patch the backward compatibility files, very interesting.
Blasts Mods no shit
@@nickabbott319 none?
@@adventureguide4725 Not even a morsel mate
Okay
The history, the facts and the hack, great video. Also... the cut of that suit!
I don't know why anyone, ever, in any "timeline" would think that suit looked good...ugghhhh...I remember watching in 2005 and thinking the same thing! haha
Stellar video, dude! Appreciate you going over how well the modified compatibility files work as well. I believe I tried them one time years ago and for whatever reason couldn't get them to work properly. Although I'm also more of the mindset of having emulation for convenience, but preference goes to native hardware.
thanks man! its likely because your partition 2 wasn't set up right. People tend to overlook this step and just copy the emulator files
It's funny to see you here MrMario2011 after binge watching a lot of your videos lol
MrMario2011 could one of y'all do a how to video
@@ModernVintageGamer So the Xbox 360 doesn't actually read and play the game off the original Xbox discs?
@@rcyoung86 It does. Stick the disc in and play.
I forgot about the Clock Work Orange, Conker scene...original Xbox had some amazing quality titles.
Mr. SEA ya tons of good games i loved the console
That was present in the N64 release years before.
7:09 originally the emulator was to called Fusion but the team was asked to pick another name, so they shortened it to F U.
Now that's a comeback.
Would be interesting with a follow-up video comparing the Xbox compability between 360 and One.
This.
I have to say as an owner of several original xbox games and several xbox 360 games, the emulation is up to speed; I have yet to see bugs and glitches.
I cant get Burnout 3 to work on the Xbox 360. It keeps saying, unrecognized disc. Tried on multiple Xbox 360s. Any help or suggestions?
This has become my favourite retro RUclips channel. Keep up the good work buddy!
MVG: Incredibly well researched technical info
Me: Oooo, pretty blue Xbox
Same bro!
I wish I had known about that Xbox when it was new
@@ohnoitschris I have it man, it’s awesome after this years.
i just wish microsoft would release more OG xbox games for the xbox one
@John Hooper Yeah I feel the same as both of you do. Think of games like JSR Future, Rallisport Challenge 2 and so many others greats all running in high res.
I had forgotten how massive the 360 OG compatibility was (500 titles). I wonder why they don't port their impressive dynarec method to One and SX? Is it mostly about licensing, where they want to make sure each approved title can be sold in their store or be on Gamepass?
@@GLAAAAAR Ironically, One & Series have more in common with the original Xbox than the 360, due to 360 being the only one using a PowerPC architecture, so there's just a lot less to emulate overall. So, no dynarec necessary. So therefore it should be trivial to add new games to One & Series.
(Well, maybe dynarec for the GPU actually, but that's the biggest hurdle when it comes to Xbox emulation anyway)
Yea man like Scarface
Wish granted
I've watched this video three times now. Still getting something from it. Love your channel mate. It's great to see someone with a strong engineering background going in depth into this stuff. I'm actually learning stuff while watching RUclips! Who would have thought?
Totally Beyond Me Time to watch it again
Wow the quality of that 2005 conference was excellent video quality and there was so much energy and professionalism. I miss when new gen of systems meant u got a huge graphics leap.
i just finished rebuilding an original 60gb ps3.
IM SO THANKFUL SONY PUT A PS2 IN THE PS3 FOR FULL BACKWARDS COMPATIBILITY.
Its a complete utter shame they removed it. If they kept it i reckon it would have continued to sell because almost everyone owned a ps2
@@callmexxjacobxx The EE+GS chip (along with the entire 32MB RDRAM cluster which was perfectly copied) on the original PS3 motherboard was essentially an expensive dead weight when PS2 emulation wasn't running (as opposed to the IOP aka the PS1 CPU on the PS2, which was used for I/O and was fully programmable for game devs). It was therefore the obvious choice to remove it with the first PAL release, keeping the GS in place which eventually got canned as well. Note that the PS3 launched at a MSRP of $499 (still selling at a whopping loss of around $300), while the 360 retailed at $279 at the time (selling at only a tiny loss), so Sony was desperate to cut down on costs to decrease their losses and allow for a lower price point.
Backwards compatibility would have remained in situ if SCEI actually allowed developers to access the EE+GS as a coprocessor while in PS3 mode (while causing nightmares for the financial department *and* further complicating game development)
3:12 Technical correction, as written in the slide, the Xbox 360 uses GDDR3 and not DDR3 as you mentioned. these are separate DRAM technologies and should not be confused.
both CPU and GPU shared this pool of GDDR3, which among other integrations meant performance speedups that kept the console a relevant platform as long as it did.
Fascinating. I used to own both an original Xbox, and 360. Sadly the Xbox went to console heaven, but my 360 held out aside from Red Rings, and several refurbished missions later. On a + note, I did enjoy my library. Surprising how technical the level of BC was able to work on 360 and now One. But I have always learned that consoles have fascinating stories to tell.
Both systems contained a fun library, and its great we can revisit them anytime. Just makes me scratch my head why Sony is so stubborn with BC, even though the PSX-PS3 contain a vast library. Lots of treasures from past systems, but also pretty bonkers that digital versions of the games are somewhat limited (reasons of course). But if people own past games and want to pick up and play, it should be a give in.
Hopefully Microsoft continues to support BC, and to the future. (still bizarre how Jet Set Radio has not been greenlit to have another run)
What's struck me lately is how nice a lot of the art and graphics on these older consoles have held out over the years. If I heard that accent while visiting the USA I'd feel like I never left Melbourne! Keep up the killer content, thank you.
Awesome, really liked the technical dive in to how they accomplished the emulation.
Awesome vid. That Clockwork Orange homage in Konker . . . so creepy . . .
that blue xbox 360 is stunning
Upload Video About OG Xbox/Xbox360 Backward Compatibility on the Xbox One...
RogueAgent4 just go to Digital Foundry if you want a video about that, their videos on the Xbox One backwards compatibility are pretty good.
RogueAgent4 does anyone know how i can play my damned old ass game!? I got a cool Call of Cthulhu game at a pawnshop after hunting online, yet my 360 suddenly got an update when i went to a friends house w it to play. (I live in a brick shithole w no wifi or net. ) Now i cant play this game. How do i get the update off my 360!?
Also, I'm kinda tech-tarded, so if u know the help, be kind n dumb down 4 me. Not a programmer by any means. Computers still took tapes u turned to side 2 when i was in 6th grade...😬
@@johnzig1386 you Cant downgrade your 360.
@@motoemnk3839 i was just hoping for a way to clear the updates off it so i can play it again. Xbox has a thing on their site, but it didnt work. And the code for backwards compat is still on the machine, this damned update is blocking it.
Have you ever played Original Xbox Shenmue 2 on the 360?
Its an officially backwards compatible game but on the 360 it is missing all shadows and lighting effects. It makes it look really bland and flat and looks a lot better on the original Xbox.
If Microsoft were that fussy about running games as close to perfect as possible I'm surprised they let that one slip through.
i have and yeah i notice that too. especially at night time. Also i tried some of the arcade games and trying to play Hang On froze my system. they definitely let some games fall through the cracks in terms of quality over others
Fingers crossed the mythical HD remake of Shenmue 1 & 2 is actually released. I could really do with playing them both again before Shenmue 3 is released but don't own any of the hardware to play the originals.
Tried Demul but it never seems to remember my saves (or I don't know how to use it!) :-(
A similar glitch happens in Psychonauts. If you pause with Raz (your character) in the center of the screen, his outfit changes to the background color of the pause menu until you exit to the dashboard.
Panzer Draoon Orta is also on the official list but the Xbox 360 will crash at the second stage every time, for me :(. Though some say it runs fine. Anyone else have trouble with it?
Red Dead Revolver is pretty much unplayable. Also we never got the OTOGI games BC. :(
Name dropping Jet Set Radio Future and sneaking a bit in from the OST made my day! Thanks for brining back memories!
The XBOX 360 is as old as RUclips
Lmao clearly ur a kid the Xbox360 may be older then you but it's far from older then RUclips you tubes older then the first Xbox
wargodsix youtube launched Feb 2005.
RUclips launched in 2005. So did the Xbox 360.
2005 == 2005
the Xbox 360 is 13 and blossoming into a woman, have some respect
just about, but old doesn't mean you can't play anything on it. i prefer to play on the previous two console generations.
great video, I've always been fascinated with the fact that the 360 could emulate OG Xbox games. I really wish a great PC emulator would come out.
Your wish has been granted.
@@majorgear1021 a lot of progress in 5 years eh?
@@LukeLunn Yep! I don’t know how well it would run, but people have installed Xenia on Xbox Series S/X consoles.
I haven’t gone that far. My Series X has problems with emulating 6th gen consoles like ps2 and gamecube. So I
only play 5th gen and earlier games on it.
For anyone interested, the XBOX 360 demonstrated in the video is the "E" model. Some have speculated that the "E" either stands for Elite as it had a completely new if generic design. Some have said it means "E" for End model as it was the final itineration of the X360 or, and this one I personally like is the "E" as in Economy.
This model retains all X360 functionality but with one less USB port and the SPDIF (optical audio) has been deleted. You can only get digital audio either via an HDMI splitter box (strips the audio from the cable and allows you to use a SPDIF or Coax digital cable) or From your TV speaker out or Digital receiver with HDMI in). It's dumb and this seems to just be a cost cutting measure hence the Econobox.
But despite that, it's a nice system with clean lines resembling an XBox One and a bit smaller for fitting in a stereo cabinet. It has the annoying piano black shine but overall? It doesn't deserve the hate it gets as it was mostly because the black version came with a Kinect and 4GB built in storage (the hard drive was optional). You can add a hard drive and it is also compatible with the HD-DVD attachment (all models were). If you find an E or the rare edition models they are worth getting.
I think I've watched this video six times. I love rewatching many of your videos.
1:24 CORRECTION: The PS3 removed PS2 backwards compatibility due to manufacturing costs. Sony lost close to $200 USD for every PS3 sold and by 2007 Sony lost $2B USD. It wasn't until the hardware for PS2 backwards compatibility was removed and a complete redesign of the PS3 motherboard that Sony finally began making a profit.
EDIT: here's the source: ruclips.net/video/AOBixPfYl3o/видео.html
Well, on the PAL versions it was software-emulation. Wouldn't affect hardware costs, however the software emulation was removed with a firmware update released in april 2010, along with the OtherOS-support.
Hey Jerome VV, how about you do your research before you call bullshit on someone: ruclips.net/video/AOBixPfYl3o/видео.html
I'm done arguing with you. I gave you a source and you act like a child. I just forgot to put one when I first typed the comment. I've since corrected my mistake and I apologize for not adding it at first. As for the source itself, DYKG is one of the most credible sources for information relating to gaming facts. If it wasn't, I doubt they wouldn't have been able to get some people known for having good knowledge pertaining to gaming (Lazy Game Reviews, JonTron, Caddicarus, ect.). As I said, I'm done arguing with you so please go annoy someone else. Goodbye.
the PS3 also had some hardware issues besides manufacturing costs, so those are the two reasons they removed it. people also forget that the PS3 also had a PS1 emulator, when you combine that with the PS2 emulator, that's alot of information. i was around 7 when my parents bought me the PS2 for Christmas in 2002, so when the PS3 and 360 came around, i told my parents not to sell my PS2. so when the prices started to come down, my mom bought me the 360 in 2008. i saved some money myself and the following year in 2009, i bought the PS3 Slim. i don't believe in trading a console for a new one, so in this generation i don't believe in the Xbox One X or PS4 Pro. i have the Xbox One S and PS4.
Jerome VV Raven James I still have all my older consoles. Been mainly playing my Xbox One S along with my PC. This is how gaming should be. You play on all platforms regardless what others have to say. Gaming is gaming regardless what you game on. Sadly I've never owned or seen a Sega console in person. ):
this guy is awesome, not only he speaks about interesting subjects but he also have knowledge of the stuff that he speaks of
I loved the backwards compatibility on xbox 360 because I didn't have a original Xbox so I was able to go back and play halo 1,2 and a bunch of other games I couldn't play on PS2 or was too young to play when they came out. I think I spent most of my first 2 years with the 360 playing mostly original Xbox games lol
Great video. I used to play original xbox games on my 360 alot just due to the HDMI out. Never realized how much work the 360 had to do in order to play the game.
Thanks for your video. I now realized that I unknowingly implemented patented algorithms in my emulators. :-)
Small addendum to the explanation at all 10:21. The method described in US20070016895 goes beyond omitting translation in values whose byte-representation is "reversible", but also optimizes store-loads and floating-point access.
1. Note that big-endian (BE) vs little-endian (LE) does not matter if you store-then-load memory.
BE: write16(0x1000, 0x1234) -> 0x1000: 12 34 -> read16(0x1000) == 0x1234
LE: write16(0x1000, 0x1234) -> 0x1000: 34 12 -> read16(0x1000) == 0x1234
Issues appear only when you write in BE, then read in LE, or vice versa. But if your host system is writing-then-reading some value, why not accessing memory with native endianness and omit endian translation instructions? There's a catch though: what if a value is written, and then a subset of that value is read:
BE: write16(0x1000, 0x1234) -> 0x1000: 12 34 -> read8(0x1000) == 0x12
LE: write16(0x1000, 0x1234) -> 0x1000: 34 12 -> read8(0x1000) == 0x34
However, there's situations where you can proof ahead of time that the value will always be accessed wholly, allowing you to perform this optimization:
1. Local variables in a function (only when no stack addresses are passed to other functions).
2. Return addresses (rarely accessed at a byte-level).
3. Floating-point values (rarely accessed at a byte-level).
This can be implemented as just another optimization pass at function level (which is what they do at US20070006178).
great post, thank you - im curious, which emulators have you developed?
I worked for years on RPCS3 (PS3 emulator) during 2013-2015 and then started my own PS3 emulator named Nucleus, just to experiment with few ideas regarding CPU binary translation like the endian translation omission, among other things. Now I'm developing a low-level PS4 emulator named Orbital, but it's still far away from playable games. :-)
alexaltea123 wow dude, keep up the good work! Really impressive stuff! it reads like Chinese too me lol, thank goodness for people like you so people like me can enjoy emulators!
I hope you have a nice day writing this emulator.
I'm really interested in the emulation scene, even with 14 years old, but let me finish my CHIP-8 emulator first xD.
That is an amazing shoutout to Clockwork Orange at 11:02!! (Conker's Bad Fur Day!) I always loved that game....
Amazing and informal video man - keep it up!
Quantum redshifts was my favourite og Xbox game loved the fact you could listen to your own music ripped to the HDD while redshifting!
One thing I don't get tho: How were they able to get so many games running perfectly well by basically writing a superb emulator but those few games still break something?
The games that do not work likely made use a part of the original console that was not emulated properly due to either the particular function not being needed by the games the emulator was designed for or was broken by a fix for one of the games they developed the emulator for
"Eww a brony in 2018"
The Developer what is wrong with. That
I put it in quotation marks meaning its sarcasm.
EpicLPer A brony in 2018 what are you gay?
Xemu and CXBX for PC are INCREDIBLE emulators for PC right now. Between the two you can get many many games running perfectly! These both gained exponential progress the last 18 months due to COVID and so many people being at home working on these.
Regarding why the Street Fighter collection didn't make the cut... Capcom intended to put out those games again on the 360, so of course they would not want to allow MS to do it.
You should double check the official Xbox list for Xbox 360. I've already made a comment that the 360 is officially compatible with Street Fighter Anniversary Collection.
lol Activision was really bad about it too. GUN, Tony Hawk's American Wasteland, and TH Project 8 were all on both Xbox and 360, and of course, the Xbox versions never worked on the 360 officially.
thanks bobby
I’m revisiting this after getting into series x emulating Xbox games. It’s quite a sight to behold. Red dead 1 and mirrors edge blew me away
Really disappointing to see a lot of the classics on this don’t run very well on 360... Slowdowns, graphic drops, and other things ruin the experience...
Well emulation is never perfect and MS did not bothered to update the emulator that why so many games run like ass in the xbox 360, the complete opposite of how MS handled the BC on the xbox one.
At least they made sure Halo and Halo 2 worked properly.
@RetroGamer 64 they got it working properly on Xbox One. I play ooriginal Xbox games all the time one Xbone.
@RetroGamer 64 The Wii U can't play GC games. The Wii can though.
@@NobleS1236 and they never removed halo ce from whitelist,when halo cea came out.But halo 2 original is not in xbox one whitelist,maybe because of mcc.
Watching this prepping for an interview..love you MVG!
"They shortened it to 'FU'"… Yeah, right, they "shortened" it.
Very great video! I love all the details and information given, especially all the context around the backwards compatibility! Take care :)
It's weird that they strove for "perfection" when Munch's Oddysee has massively broken audio.
In emulation, a bit to bit perfect sound translation is difficult at best. However, there might have been a way and it comes from the arcade emulator called MAME. Some of the audio files have not been CPU and soundcard translatable, so they resorted to "samples" they are audio files that fill in for the missing sound bytes. Microsoft could have updated the backwards emulation with a simple settings page and either added slightly lower quality sound files for the sounds they could not get to work well, or even allow the user to simply set a bit rate for the sound output. Say like instead of CD quality audio at 44k, you could opt for half that 22k or even lower to improve performance. A PC with a sound card has always had that ability. They could offer it on consoles but opt not to. There are a LOT of performance tweaks that would have helped sound, video, or other performance issues.
What gets me is that the PowerPC is actually a Cyrix Processor before they were bought by IBM. So the Cyrix Processor was x86 compatible, therefore it stands to reason most of the instruction sets and command calls for x86 are also compatible with the Cyrix chip. Looks like on the fly translation. The Cyrix ignored the commands that were identical with the XBox Classic Pentium III as the Cyrix is a PC Compatible chip so it seems it only concentrated on the commands and instructions that were different between the two and assigned graphics and mathematical calculations to the Power PC's available multithreads. Seems then they many of the problems could have been surmounted if Microsoft had added at least another 512Mb or more of RAM as a cache for when the backwards compatibility was used, or additional video coprocessing to handle the graphics while freeing up the Power PC to handle other tasks.
its easy to write this off as "just another emulator" nowadays with xemu in existance but it's important to keep in mind that this was here nearly 2 decades earlier and was running on hardware several times weaker than our crazy fast x86 pcs that dont even need cpu translation, yet still managed to deliver similar performance to the original xbox itself
My EURO copy of SF Anniversary works on an unmodded 360... I even played online a lot.
Takes me back to the days of PSP modding. My favorite thing to do was turn my own PS1 games into eboots I could run with the built in emulator.
I believe the PSP had the advantage of running on a similar CPU architecture to the PS1 though. What the 360 does with a totally different architecture, and only a single generation later at that, is pretty impressive. I'll never forget the infamous Halo 2 bug though, where bits of a previous scene would be inexplicably stuck on screen over everything else. I didn't know it at the time, but that was a big giveaway that these games were running in an emulator.
Another great video MVG! I didn't realise the XBox360 was doing emulation of the original XBox games. Considering each console is using a different CPU, this is an amazing feat of software engineering. I have to ask the follow up question: why didn't Microsoft just simple add the x86 CPU on the XBox360 board or extension board and the system just switch between each CPU depending on what game you played? I suspect software emulation was the easiest route to take.
Michael Oglesby Money
The issue more than likely came from the fact that being a newcomer to the console space, they didn't think to buy the manufacturing rights for the OG Xbox chipsets so they could have other parties other than Intel/NVidia make them. NVidia was actually the reason the OG Xbox had a short life instead of continuing to offer it through the early years of the 360 like Sony did with the PS2. NVidia decided they weren't going to make anymore of the GPUs for the Xbox even though Microsoft wanted to. They eventually worked out a deal to emulate specific NVidia APIs for games that specifically used them liked Splinter Cell.
money. the ps3 was 600 bucks at launch because it had ps2 hardware in it, where as the 360(with out hdd) was only 299 at launch.
Michael Oglesby Michael Oglesby so it was money, you can't argue because they didn't even have wifi built in or hd dvd which was a big miss and contributed to the fat L it took compared to ps3 being a blu ray player all in one with wifi. But it kept the price down, the other issue we saw first hand was the original ps3 which played ps2 games and had ps2 chipset built in, causing more heat and more problems unfortunately. Ps3 continued to play ps1 games which is nice but no 6th gen shit unlike 360 which i rarely ever used for xbox games because well i STILL use my original xbox for it. It's just better for it. Unless all you have is hdmi than you're using a 360 or eventually xbox one when they get the xbox BC expanded.
I suspect that Microsoft cant shoulder more losses on each console sold.Sony included ps2 hardware with NTSC launch PS3s only to backpedal and removing the PS2 CPU with the Eu launch and finally dropping ps2 support with subsequent ps3 revisions.Sony took about 4 years before it came out with an emulator used in the PS2 classic
I don’t know that I’ll use backwards compatibility when I get the Xbox one s but it’s nice to know that I have that option
MVG "Crazy Taxi 3 works very well". Game running in slow mo, lol
Learnt a Computer Science concept that I've never learnt in Uni just from watching this clip.
Never heard of Endianness before.
Have so much to kee learning even over a decade later.
I really liked the XBox way back when, and I do prefer to play games on their original hardware, but the OG XBox is just so big to have out at the same time as other consoles if you're pressed for space!!
PS5 is bigger lol now lol.
I didn’t know they kept working on BC for the 360 for so long. When I got my first 360 it would only play 6 or 7 of my OG games, I ended up trading in the ones that didn’t work, which I fully regretted doing. Now I’ve been debuting those old OG games as got the old OG Xbox out again. Such a great console.
Awesome Video. Extremely High Quality Content. Love that sexy blue 360.
I loved XBOX and 360. Can't believe how things have changed.
Playing Xbox 360 games on a Commodore monitor. That's so cool! Is it composite cables you are using?
Probably HDMI
These AWS ads are getting real old real fast. So long and my hands are busy so I can't skip! Anyways, love listening to your vids at work, MVG is the MVP!
Jet Set Radio is one of my favorite sega games besides sonic and super monkey ball.
h h Jet Grind 📻
@Abysmal Horrors The few people that read his comment and like it that's who.
You are killing it with the content choices, this channel is awesome man, great stuff.
This is amazing. Can you please create a video on how to mod the 360? I would love to play some of the incompatible games I own. Thanks.
This guy has a lot of all-time-favourites...
Microsoft guy: Backwards compa--
Crowd: YEEEEEAAAAH WOOOOOO (extreme clapping) (whistle noises)
Jet set radio! Holy crap i had flashbacks! I loved that game..
I remember I could not play my Metal Slug disc on the 360, BUT I could buy/download it from arcade.... The arcade edition did not have all of the game either, only the standard campaign.. I think there was some other games that I had similar experience with too.
The Original Curved White Xbox 360 is such a beaut 🥺 still my favourite console to this day
Some of the games that were omitted from the list, had something to do with licensing issues, rather than compatibility.
But if people already own the game it doesn't matter because it's using the disk and not a digital version of the game
The Xbox 360 is 1 of my favorites home consoles of all time.
What's crazy is that the 360 has a better compatibility list for Xbox games than the Xbox one!!
List is better but not the emulation itself. For Xbox one Microsoft made sure that all the bc games worked perfect or better while the 360 bc is far from perfect
15:52 I've just checked the official Xbox compatibility list for Xbox 360 and Street Fighter Anniversary Collection (the game you've tested in the video) is part of it. There's no need to modify the compatibility files when the game is already compatible on unmodified Xbox 360's. Just wanted to clear that up. Great video though.
Jet Set Radio Future runs terrible on the Xbox 360 once you get to the areas outside of the garage.
It has to be played on the original Xbox or else you’ll get a lot of slow down.
Great vid! Original xbox was brilliant, and 10 years out of the 360 is fantastic achievement.
I'm in the minority in that I use the BC feature every chance I get and am willing to pay extra for such a feature.
Fun fact: while the 360 and Original don't share any hardware, the DVD drive in the 360 does still contain all the authentication/anti-piracy routines used by the Original.
The Xbox One takes this even further and has all the X360 & Original Xbox anti-piracy stuff built-in since launch, showing that they've planned backward-compat since the beginning!
(there's even hardware built into the Xbone CPU for decoding X360-specific formats such as textures and audio, back when X360 back-compat was announced MS did a very neat talk about it all)
PS3 Super Slim does PS2 emulation completely in software for downloadable PS2 titles :)
ive heard about this but never really tried it - ill definitely check it out. thanks!
Absolutely fantastic. I never knew that the emulation can be modified to run these Xbox titles. I think Microsoft should be given more credit. They had an emulator that can can run almost all the games, and only patched enough to get most of the original games to work. Growing up I had several Xbox titles that I was mad that I could not play, mind you this when I was 10 yeas old. Thank you for enlightening me on what was going on behind the scenes. Lets hope the can get even more titles for the Xbox one.
When I put an original Xbox game on my 360 it reads the disc and then the screen goes black but then it kicks me back to the 360 main screen and gives me an error code that the disc could not be read and to go to xbox.com/support. I bought a non Microsoft HD to put in my 360, is that why I can't run any original xbox games??
Yes dude, i had this problem. The emulator files are in a system partition on the Microsoft drives
*I got the free disc which you get from a magazine way back!* 💡
That Xbox 360 E in blue edition looks so awesome. I only have the black one.
I just wanna play Freestyle Metal X again, without having to conjure a genie from a lamp to do so.
Excellent vid👍 X360 was indeed a very special console for M$ and now I see thx to your vid that its OG Xbox SW emulator was a very special and efficient piece of code. Only if Sony finally inspired themselves in this way and created something like this even with HW support to provide full backwards compatibility for all the previous PSs.
Bring the blade's to Xbox one!!!!!
Oh God the original 360 menus hit me right in the nostalgia feels.
5:47 - I have to say, you definitely didn't play the game to get this result. Areas like 99th street or Hikage Street run like absolute dog shit on Xbox 360, like, less than 15FPS most of the time in the case of 99th street. JSRF definitely wasn't a "good effort" for the BC on 360.
I was a huge Xbox Backwards Compat user. KOTOR, Jade Empire, Psychonauts, etc.
Can you install original games on to the HD of the 360?
Not Officially, but if you jtag your Xbox 360 and never connect it to the Internet...you can install Digital OG Xbox Games and some Digital 360s Game Files in it. You can make a Library depending on your Hard Drive capacity.
MVG boots up any og xbox game:
ahhh... one of my favorites...
Manhunt was officially supported, but for some reason you could only hear the director by wearing a physical headset. Yet oddly that makes sense because in the game, your character IS wearing a headset to listen to the director (character)
Also Silent Hill 2: Restless Dreams has an issue with backwards compatibility (officially supported as well). The flashlight projects behind the character. It just broke the immersion and experience too much.
Funny how 2 of my favorite games of all time are supported on BC yet both have issues.
I'm not an Xbox fan by any means but hats off to the people who actually managed to make the two systems, with totally different specs/architectures, able to be backwards compatible. BC is honestly a great feature to have :)
software emulation can be quite simple (given the right amount of time)
I’m here in hopes of Def Jam: Fight for NY👀
Same
Arnez Willis dam LoL well your better off than me I’m over here forced to play the PSP version on PPSSPP😪
I was close to getting one on ebay but someone outbid me
Midtown Madness 3! My childhood game back on the original Xbox and one of my first two racing games ever, besides Burnout 3!
It's still such a shame the game doesn't work on the Xbox 360... I miss it at times.
Sucks without a mod it doesn't support all Xbox titles. Still better than not having any on PS3.
Later PS3 models can still play PS2 Classics using a software emulator which, by the way, can be used to play any game on hacked PS3s, much like the Xbox 360's emulator. It can't play original discs, though.
@@nastysdsi but how well does the ps3 emulate the ps2 games compared to the 360 with the OG games? Is there a higher compatibility list or is it more or less the same.
@@Abel-Alvarez A lot of games are playable. I'm not sure how the compatibility of ps2_netemu compares to FU's, but the PS2 has a much larger library to begin with. Most incompatible games were ported natively to PS3, so I'd say you can almost play anything. You can also play PS1 games (there is a homebrew PS1 emulator for the Xbox, but it's not nearly as compatible) and a few PSP ones as well.
By the way, there are unofficial compatibility lists.
This guys content is so clean and professional! I love it.
Fact Check
Sony removed hardware backwards compatibility because they were losing money on production. later models in 08 had software emulation
they REALLY do (even superslim models), it is just sony doing sony things. You have to buy PS2 classics from the PSN but they are just PS2 ISOS properly converted to be read by the PS3's software emulator. Check PS3 scene and you will see. They did it with PSP games too.
Here's a fun fact about the 360's backwards compatibility. Even on a fully updated system, if you insert in a CD containing an official backwards compatibility update (you just download the files from Microsoft or whatever and burn them), the updater still uses the Blades UI last seen in 2008. Even if your console already has the last backwards compatibility update, it'll still pop up. Give it a try if you want a trip back through memory lane.
Blades also show when using arcade disk
NVIDIA CPU!!
haha i was waiting for someone to mention that. My bad on that one ;)
I get it ahaha, NVIDIA have made CPUs though (Switch and Shield)
I think it was ibm cpu and Nvidia gpu
It was. IBM PowerPC Triple Core and an ATI gpu.
NVIDIA have made NV2A graphics card for the original Xbox
Am I the only one that got major nostalgia with the original Xbox 360 menu noises in that file manger ?
hey!!! the original xbox had a pentium 3, not a celeron
ya it wasn't a Pentium 3, it was a Celeron 3 CPU chip. that's still pretty good for the original xbox.
I thought older Xbox's had the Pentium 3 and later ones had a Celeron.
I mean it was technically a Pentium 3, but it was neutered to the point that it was basically a Celeron
I'm pretty sure Celerons were just nerfed Pentiums.
it wasn't either. it was a slightly customized cpu, based off the pentium 3 but closer in specs to the celeron.
the only difference between a pentium 3 and a celeron was cache anyway.
Just love those videos. JSRF FTW! Got 100% on it twice over the last few years.
Microsoft: The Xbox 360 will be backwards compatible with MOST of the best-selling Xbox games!
Sony:hold my beer *makes PS3 fully backwards compatible*
Meanwhile Wii runs GameCube games like no one's business WITHOUT some arbitrary add-on. Your move, Microsoft.
Only in early models... which had the YLOD...
But most games looked like a P.O.S or ran worse than it should've.
That Panzer Dragoon music in the beginning has me feeling nostalgic as hell
GDDR3 is not DDR3. The g means it's in a graphics card