Two German Shepherds with ZERO Training Cause Chaos | It's Me or the Dog
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- Опубликовано: 8 янв 2021
- These two german shepherds have received no training at the age of three and are causing chaos at home and one walks, can Victoria Stilwell make up for lost time and start the training now?
It's Me or the Dog USA Season 1 Episode 9
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its so refreshing when its just nice people who need a bit of guidance and not people who need serious psychological therapy lol
Threr older women with a big dog came suddenly, as I urgently pooped in the woods. The dog ran up to me and barked, the women laughed. I was so scared. What do you think, ?? 😰😰😰
Very true 👍
Especially when they are completely honest too!
@@Celeste-uy1wz 👍
@@Celeste-uy1wz Hey, I crouched there with pants down and was in the middle of my business. 🙈🙈 To laugh about me was very mean and rude. 😛😛 What do you think ??
Victoria: “Watch me”
Sofia: 👁👄👁
Frank: “Watch me”
Sofia: “Y’all hear sumn?”
Victoria: "Your dogs are so used to doing that", - the most hilarious sarcastic line ever
Another equestrian is that you 👁👄👁🐴
@@bailee6545 and another 😂
@@robynmcardle9303 lol yassssssss give me the pony’s 😍
Or Sophia
It's sad that the dogs didn't get any training before but these owners actually seem nice compared to others. They followed everything Victoria said and enjoyed the training 😊
Yes I thought that. Keep up the good work guys, the more u walk your dog's the more u bond. Dog's live 2 walk and run.
It seems less that they didn’t care, more that they just really didn’t know how to help them.
They seem really sweet. I love the guys facial expressions lol
@@afajardo9938 yeah, German shepherds (some not all) are not the easiest of dogs. Sometimes what you intend does not work out.
Its all scripted. The dog and the people are pre trained. There may be some unedited stuff but nothing that ruins a show.
One thing that is nice about this couple is that they own up to their mistakes and admit they are the ones that failed their dogs, not the other way around.
They’re just trying to learn...there’s no mistakes here lmao, the video isn’t that deep 😳
He took responsibility for his actions and does her training correctly. This is just a person that needed some help with training!
I've been using Victoria's methods on my dogs... They just heard "watch me" and came running in, sat down, and looked at me. I'd say it's working! LOL
This made my day
I taught my dog to watch me by my own method, and he got it in a day as a nine week old puppy!! He’s so photogenic🤣
That's so cute!
Aww.
@@gigi20_168 cool how did you do it ?
0:16 “I know they need their exercise” ALREADY better than 90% of the owners on here
Fr, like everytime I hear that, I immediately know the owners are trying their best and just need help
also Victoria is such an amazing person, inside and out 😊 she’s helped people and animals alike and is also incredibly beautiful on the outside. Wonderful woman!
Wonderful comment too! I agree 100% she’s so great. I hope she’s happy.
One thing that I don't agree with is how sometimes she may insult a man or woman but I am aware that sometimes this may seem necessary seeing as how ignorant they may be but these man took it greatly
She's also rescuing and fostering. Specially from puppy mills, dog farms, fighting rings. Last time I checked her Ig, she fostered kittens and then rescued mama dog and puppies under a house. She, her family and rescue gruop roll around the mud to get them.
That's ridiculous thing to say, do you think she's doing it for free
I once worked with a dog similar to Rex (purebread GSD, he was gorgeous!), the owners didn't train him, or give him proper walks, they were also shocked why he didn't act like their previous dogs (a yorkshire terrier and a chihuahua) I trained and worked with him for 3 weeks and then had to tell them I couldn't do it anymore, I basically became their dogs personal trainer, which I don't mind, but the owners didn't do their part, so non of the lessons I thought him worked or stuck. After I quit training him, he ended up rehomed after he almost bit a child...Owners who don't train their dogs get me just as riled up as owners who don't care for them..
If you get a dog, do your job as an owner!
Phew that sounds hard! Better for the dog that he was rehomed... But even a small terrier and a chihuahua need training. Poor dogs 😅
Thank god he was rehomed. Hopefully he got a better owner that actually trained him, since German Shepherds are amazing dogs. My previous neighbors also had a German Shepherd that was barely trained (or neutered for that matter). His barking was out of control, and I often saw him sitting in a crate for most of the day through his usual window. He also got zero interaction with other dogs. Apparently they moved away because they wanted to breed him. Ugh. I wish I did something to get him rehomed.
@@ASCENSiON_ My neighbors have a german shepherd for about 3yrs now. Ever since they got it as a puppy they left it outside by itself and always barks and paces the backyard. So sad. My neighbors are all pretty understanding of dogs barking since most of us have our own but for hours?! We've given complaints but they still haven't changed anything for that poor dog.
People always forget that we were all once like this . Sweating and being pulled by our dogs . It takes time to train dogs , lots of time and patience .
No it doesnt you start with 8 week old pup train for 18 months enjoy the benefit for the rest of the dogs life
Not really. I taught my puppy to sit, down, stay, leash, come and go potty the first week. These two hadn't even taught their dogs to sit. At least they were nice people who followed directions.
@@marleneclough3173 every dog is different ,y ou should not treat each dog the same, Example i have a husky, training is very hard and very different to GS
@@amalielk yah not everyone is the same and not every puppy responds t the same training. Some respond better with e collars some respond better with treats just takes time
Nah I wasn’t. I love dogs so before I got mine I was sure to research training and other things and make sure I knew something before I got mine. My pup walks off leash with amazing recall and focus since 9/10 weeks. Takes time and dedication,
Something I noticed when Victoria was first getting Rex's attention, after just a few treats he both layed down and turned his back to her. So he trusted her very easily
Rex knew exactly who was in charge!
Victoria is an excellent example of being gentle in your approach, but firm in your expectations. I think that's the best way to train.
It's so touching to see them genuinely happy to see the small progress. If only all owners were this invested in the process.
I really enjoyed watching this couple. Even though their dogs were untrained messes, I love that the couple was so willing to put in the work without trying to fight against Victoria. They genuinely wanted the best for their animals, and that is what matters most.
Where walking them once a month
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Me : ONCE A MONTH HUH ?!?!?
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I gasped when I heard that
Imagine walking your dog once a month
I do personally believe these dogs were walk zero time a month. In actuality from how he had handled their leashes and his overly reaction towards walking the dogs , it seems he had never handled these dogs on leaches. Also , you add zero training since puppies. It tells me it is not likely he did any type of walking with the beautiful dogs.
at least they have a massive yard or two shepherds would eat their whole house
my reaction as well - i had to go back to make sure i heard right - these people are idiots who should not have any kind of dog
@@spirit0805 I can't imagine walking a dog once a month , that's why you need to look into what dog your getting and the stuff you need and what it's going to take to train the little cutie , I'm a big dog person and I was so shocked to hear that
Never buy a dog for the aesthetic or that they look good dog's need a stable home
Love , good food to help them stay healthy and for their teeth , lots of interactive toy's and regular walks and lot's of training , I was that Kevin heart meme with the mic looking shooked
This show should definitely be called it’s you not the dog lmao
AMEN!
Llollll
It's you not the dog
More like i think it was called its me or the dog because ages ago one of them were gonna leave or the dog was
Yes
I would give you a like but it's currently 69 soooooooo
Do people assume that when they buy a dog, especially a high-energy one like a German Shepherd, that dog will just behave without any training? It seems that way, at least.
same as getting chihuahuas... they need to work to not be yappy dogs
A lot of people get dogs just for the image they offer (security, comfort or play-time for their kids, etc.) and don't realize they won't do everything you want from them unless you treat them fairly. I'm saddened by the amount of owners that just leave their dogs in they garden year-long with no walks or training whatsoever...
Daily walks should be the bare minimum !
I find training dogs rly fun rather than as work that takes time out of my day. I'm getting a GSD in a few years and can't wait since they love working and pleasing their handler🥰
I'd say most dog owners don't train their dog or do the absolute minimum.
Yes. Unfortunately everyone in my family has this mentality with our high energy dog & than they get mad at her for not listening/obeying 🤦♀️ I really don't understand it
Wow an actual healthy couple just trying to balance their lives with these dogs. This is nice 👍
I love seeing people who actually listen, instead of act like they're totally innocent in all of this and can just do whatever they want.
This couple are great owners, they were just uneducated until Victoria came along. You can see they have a passion for the dogs
Two ADULT German shepherds? Without training? Yikes, that is definitely a tragedy waiting to happen. What took so long?
raw blocks
The owners are 9 apples short of a 10 apple basket.
@@Threesters no make sense
@@sarahhammond6375 lol
yea it is. those people should of trained them when they were just small puppies (if they had them if they the german shepards when they were pups)
Rex was so clever if he was trained from a young age he could be a show dog or police dog
He’s a mix, so he couldn’t do show. And he’s pretty nervous (which is mostly genetics and lack of confidence training) so he would have bombed as a prospect for police work
bhahahahaha
@@jesuisunepommedeterre4662 he could do task training or herding training. Doesn't need to start young.
@@Ace-jk8mq sure, rally, trick tricking, scentwork and agility are great for more breeds and temperaments
@@jesuisunepommedeterre4662 yeah. Ive been doing dock diving, herding, search and rescue, and agility with my pack for a few years now and the oldest dog was 5 when he started.
Sure ppl buy dogs w/o any knowledge and while that’s not great its up to them to take that step and be open and *willing* to learn.
They seem mad sweet, and they took that first step in order to help their dogs. Theirs no saltyness or denial w them, just love.
Good luck guys!!
I absolutely love how they are so willing to learn from Victoria. Wholesome couple
"You finally got her focus!" More like "OK dad, I'm done with this game! What's next!"
I'm going to watch these beautiful dogs rehabilitate so I can pretend like the next American civil war isn't about to happen.
Omg yesssssss
Sounds great, I’ll be joining you on that
Hugs from the UK 💕💕💕
So glad I live in Canada
@@savannahmorgan-george-mcco6760 They'll find a way to involve us, somehow. 😩
Oh gosh.... the owner is so amazed, proud and happy when Rex actually listens and the training works. It’s kind of sweet, kind of sad and ridiculous. How do people get such big and active dogs and NOT train them?!? I can’t....
Victoria: 'Sophia'
Sophia: comes into the room & goes straight to Victoria
Victoria: 'Sophia sit'
Sophia: sits
Victoria: 'Sophia Watch me'
Sophia: does, twice
Victoria: 'Good Girl'. Frank its yr turn.
Frank: 'Sophia'
Sophia: Totally ignores Frank & walks out of the room(lol)!?!
Sophia is a very smart dog tho 😂 but she didn't listen to Frank
@@rere0971 lol
I feel like it might've been specific associations with specific people, tbh! Sophia hasn't known Victoria as long and Victoria's been working and training her from nearly the start of their interactions, whereas her owners haven't trained with her at all for almost 3 years- maybe she started associating Victoria with commands, focus, and rewards, whereas she associated her owners with the lack of such haha.
Seeing videos like this reminds me of what a good girl my husky pup is, she’s a dream.
I bet you trained her? 😊
They always seem so amazed when the dog does what they want.
Yeah.. they want to be good dogs, you've just never tried to help them!
IN MY OPINION VICTIORIA IS ONE OF THE BEST DOG TRAINERS OUT THERE. MAYBE THE BEST TRAINER OUT THERE TODAY!!
2 german shepherds and an owner with a german accent, fits well :)
Oh my.. i didnt noticed, becouse that was what all my teachers sounded Like
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I find it odd that a german shepherd mixed with a labrador would produce these dogs. Where does that curled tail even come from? My guess would have been german shepherd with anatolian shepherd/kangal; which do possess that long curled tail and those exact colours and markings; which you don't see in GSDs or Labs.
Shelters in the US just do guesswork, pretty much all GSD mixes gets labeled GSDxLab
Aint no lab in that dog... maybe an american thin one
The fur color also seems odd for a lab or a gsd. I would say that there is a malinois mixed in rather then a gsd or perhaps both.
There's a strain of GSD that has a mutated gene which produces a curled tail
@@goddessofthisworld7716 agree, looks like it has more malinois trait than GSD. It has a square body unlike a GSD which have slope backs.
That's why you should get one dog at a time, train it perfectly and then get a second one.
Yes bc the trained dog will be alpha over the new dog and it will help the process of training the new one bc when you say the command the older dog does it and that gives the newer dog a visual learning chance.
Yeah I have a german shepherd and she is very obeinent and stuff and I'm only 12 and train her and she's super good at it to but my aunt's shitzue pulls alot do I'm working on training her dog but her Chihuahua Dachshund mix is great on leash
@@maddieandeddie1115 Good luck and good job
@@possum2620 no it’s just easier 😬
@@maddieandeddie1115 That's impressive! Many people your age can't even properly take care of a hamster without the help of their parents. I'm happy to hear that you also help your aunt with her dog! :)
Owners who love their dogs but were just clueless on how to engage and train them. They were willing to listen and follow everything Victoria taught them and it was lovely to see the changes in the dynamics between them and their pups.
My goodness! Those dogs are powerhouses. You have to train all dogs, especially dogs with strength. You have to start from when their small like a kid. I’m glad Victoria came to assist.
At least they kNOW they're doing things wrong, and that the dogs behavior is because they are not handling them like they're supposed to. Compared to many other people we've seen on this show
The best thing about this yt chanel is that I can see Victoria solving their problems and correcting mistakes ......which helps me a lot at learning to be a better owner, thank you Victoria☺️
This family seems lovely. I hope theyre happy with their dogs now
You can tell how easy it's going to be to train the family by how tastefully they decorate. No joke.
Wow this actually taught me how to deal with my stubborn shepsky. She'll also whine, huff and disregard me when she doesn't want to do something, I'll have to try the body blocking on her!
And my dad always says “I wish our dog was as well behaved as a German Shepard.” We have a lab mastiff pointer whose only training came from me; a kid. My dog can walk considerably well, and knows tricks, and has been taught to: sit, shake a paw, other paw, lay down, stay, catch, speak, and is learning to walk better. I should show him this U-U
just like any dog, they need training! german shepherds can be amazing dogs IF they’re trained. If not, they come with a lot of problems like shown in the video
Omg not to be rude but you need to tell your dad that breed has nothing to do with how well behaved a dog is.
@@mackingcheese exactly. He also believes those stereotypes about pit bulls.
🙄🙄 Ughh I hate those stereotypes
@@mackingcheese a little controversial there. The bigger the dog the smarter is sadly lmao. Not to say that a small dog can’t be smart but germans are genetically smarter than chihuahuas yk? Even poodles are too but that’s just because of how much they’ve been trained and continue to breed with those new genetics. But yes any dog can be trained!!
I'm currently struggling with the exact same issues with my 1 yr old German Shepherd pup. I did take her to a couple training sessions, but lost a job during COVID and currently getting her trained this week. I am also pregnant so this video is refreshing to see that these issues are manageable with the right training and hope to get to where these dogs are now before its too late.
The genuine amazement (and pride of his dog) on his face at 3:20 warms my heart!
If I want to see what "zero Training" is, Im going through my neighborhood! 🤣
Three older women with abig dog surprised me, as I pooped in the woods. The dog ran up to me and barked. I was so scared. What do you think??😰😨😭
This guy‘s gotta be German.😁👌🏼
it never ceases to amaze how many of these episodes include people who are like "my dogs are out of control in the house" and then proceed to say they barley walk or exercise/train their animals. glad people like Victoria step in and can get the owners back on the right track
I´ve watched this show dubbed as a child, this brings back memories. I love Victoria´s voice.
Me with 3 highly trained German Shepherds: This is going to be a great video
If thats your dog in you profile picture beautiful 😍
*Me with three working German Shepherds that have multiple working titles on them and getting a fourth soon*
Let’s watch this train wreck
@@marshallandgunner2775 That’s one of my boys! Thank you!
@@padfoot3177 NP! handsome.
Let's appreciate for a moment how often instead of the dogs, Victoria is actually training the humans.
I love to see people genuinely cooperating with Victoria! Nice job folks!
I'm a bit like that couple but have my dog in for lessons. Wish had seen this channel sooner.
Its so weird listening to the training with Sofia, since that's my name XD I felt like I had to sit and everything!
Sit girl sit
I took my labrador puppy walk for first time today... she is just 45 days old... till now I never took her for walk because it was not safe coz I don't want her to be infected with parvo virus and her reaction made my day... she was so friendly with everyone... she gave hi five to every one who greeted her.... she is such a sweetheart... ❤❤❤ will be taking her for walk frequently once done with injections 😍😍😍
P.s get your pet injected....
Ahhh the joy on the Franks face when Rex lay first time...onwards and upwards..x...Franks voice excellent while giving commands
04:32 this moment is key. He is clearly affraid of his dog ..
I love German Shepard’s they are beautiful
So the stuff that she does to train the dogs gives us a lot of advice
love how engaged this couple was whenever Victoria teaches them something. They were so eager to learn from her so they can take care of their dogs more effectively.
Ilove this episode. The owner is 100% into it. He was excited on new tricks he can discover with his dogs.
I love the moment owners realize how basic training can absolutely change a whole dogs life with you
💯
0:45 "Oh hai, camera hooman!"
I learn so much from this woman. I love and respect her so much!
My dogs were never formally trained but I talk to them a lot and they pretty much understand everything that I say and are polite too. Of course they can be mischievous sometimes. That's what makes em so adorable
Diffrent universe: it's the dog or me
Dog owners not walking their dogs is unreal to me. I walk my shepherd 4 times a day, if not 5 and I still work. You should not be getting a high energy dog if you aren't willing to put in the work. Unbelievable!
Love this show! Victoria, you have to tape more episodes!
the beauty of what Victoria does is to explain the psychology behind why the dogs do what they do and what the owners need to do. It sounds like so much to take in but it is really simple and can be very easy and rewarding. it takes consistency and confidence from the owner. if someone as petite and soft spoken as Victoria can show how easy it is anyone can do it. you just have to want to
This is why you should if your going to get two dogs train them. Even though in most cases getting a first dog and maybe even waiting 6 months to get a second dog
Ok but how is it even possible to let your dogs get into a position where they are not only untrained, but potentially dangerous aswell? I mean its just ridiculous
Not really. Maybe actually think about their situation.
my dogs are like that. they are jugs and they can’t handle anything. we walk them 1-2 times a day (serperatley) i hope i learn something from these videos so i can help them
@@evelynbell2459 Petsmart has dog training classes.
@@filthycasual8074 No the situation is it's very dangerous not to train your pet. What if they bit someone or someone else's dog. This is a lawsuit. It is completely irresponsible to have dogs especially large dogs that are untrained.
Good to see the couple willing to ask for help and receive guidance from Victoria.
Thanks to this channel i trained my corgi since he was a puppy just like i wanted. Dogs are the best when trained well
I’m really bad at the positive sounding voice of ‘let’s go’ my voice is monotone as hell haha
You certainly have to work for the positive tone lol, I have a monotone voice and people are always like "omg why do you sound so mad at your dog" and I'm like "No no no! They know it means good things ,I just have a flat voice" XD
I was training my puppy from the day I got her when she was 8 weeks old because I can't imagine how difficult it would be to have absolutely no control over my dog. Also since she's a pitbull mix I was worried about stigma if she wasn't well-behaved.
yesssssss. yes.. a thousand times YES. I wish my neighbors would do this with their dogs.
I always get so exited when I get a notification for a new video
Imagine you're the nieghbors and one day these 2 dogs this couple have arent barking, but rather being behaved
Wow! Once or twice A MONTH??! Why the heck do you own dogs?
I was shocked by that, I thought she was going to say once or twice a *week* (which would be bad enough)
Thanks you this helped me so much
That’s great I’m so glad you could help them. What smart dogs
I was on your academy page before this 😂✨😁❤️
Link?
www.vsdogtrainingacademy.com
Man... Also, they look like Anatolian Shepherds
Their probable ancestors are discussed near the top of the comments.
@@drsylvietourigny5428 They are anatolian shepherd gsd mixes
they're lab and gsd mixed tho
I love German shepards so much I thought they were easy to train I want one so much
Would LOVE to see the full episode of this one!
That is disaster waiting to happen i have a 7 month old german mix and were still working on pulling and jumping on people but shes getting a lot better the more we work her and shes a service dog in training and alerts without us actually training her for that I can only imagine whatt those two are capable of if given the chance to gave a job!
That is great:) if you are still working on jumping you can find a pdf here that might help www.simpawtico-training.com/learning/downloadables/
E-collar conditioning works amazingly when reinforcing/correcting behaviors.
@@jesuisunepommedeterre4662 how would you reinforce a behaviour with an ecollar? It is only useful as a punisher I think. Actually a really interesting study on ecollars in training versus positive reinforcement www.companionanimalpsychology.com/2020/07/positive-reinforcement-is-more.html?m=1
@@jesuisunepommedeterre4662 I refuse to use anything like an ecollar or choke chains or even prong collars theyre not good for your dogs at all. I will for sure look at the pdf thoee we've tried a lot just trying to find something that actually works without hurting her
@@rivergaming2393 I use Dogtra E-collars, they have been certified as humane by multiple dog training boards. They are a favourite among professionals and use medical grade equipment. The same technology is used for humans for therapy too. It feels like a TENS units, which I have a TENS for therapy in my back (post surgery) and it doesn’t hurt me. My dogs work on a level that can barely feel on any part of my body.
They can’t handle one dog and they decide to get two, I have no patience with people like this!
Much less over them not training of beautiful dogs since puppies. Training , corrections , play , socializing and walking are important.
at least theyre not the kind of people that lock their dogs up bc they can't manage them
Haha, I know -- it's not like cats where two kittens will entertain each other!
At least they realised their mistake and are correcting it.
I love seeing a family get trained on how to train a dog. When they have the aha moment i could cry. At least this family isn't in denial of their failures.
Yes, training is good. Three older women, with a big dog, suddenly came, as I urgently pooped in the forest. The dog ran up to me and barked. 🥶🥵😭😱 I was very scared. That was not fair. What do you think ??
I loved the final comment. She was finding it a pleasure to walk him. That is what owning a dog should be. Dogs love to walk and if you can create that for both of you it is the best thing in the world.
Did anyone else notice how the guy reacted to his dog's mouth being too close to his hand at 4:30? I wonder why he did that
Oh yeah, and he tried to play it off too
I didn’t notice that before
@@chloeistrash4243 right? I mean it's probably nothing but that can kinda tell us that he's somewhat scared of his dogs or at least not as comfortable with which was why they didn't train them?? Idk but regardless, they do try to get better connected with them :)
Woah you're right, one could think he is afraid to be bitten or something! I didn't see that before, thank you
Imagine what those dogs would do to a little dog in this case 🥲
they are acting like yappy chihuahuas.....
Awww you can see the husbands eyes light up when they start listening to him it’s so cute
Those are big and powerful 🐕 and beautiful ! Awesome episode 👏
I suppose walking the dogs one at a time, and more often, is out of the question.
So you get TWO GERMAN SHEPHERDS. YOU DON’T TRAIN THEM AND YOU EXPECT THEM TO ACT NICE WTFTFFKVKRVERVJRSFHIOSRFIOEHRF ugh
Well I mean they are the most well and good kind bevhing dogs
like people getting chihuahuas... same problem...
@@vikingdogmanship Right?? It’s not about the size you need to train it no matter what dog it is
@@cissy3994 100%
@@solangiemaldonado1476 They are only well behaved and good dogs if you train and socialise them.
i love to see Victoria show families how easy it can be when you just put in some actual effort'
I love your videos so much!
Is the husband german? That sounds like a german accent 😂
That accent is definitely German 😂 especially at 6:49 when he gets annoyed, the way he says Sofia is VERY German 😅
Yup 100% Deutsch!
Those GSD's look like they are mixed with Anatolian Shepherd!
Yea girl that’s what I’m saying I was looking for this comment.
She can train so many dogs.. Best trainer in the world wow just love her vids so much😍😍💪💪
These are good people who needed help, they clearly love these dogs but no idea what do, so glad Victoria helped them. 😃
Three older women with a big dog suddenly came, as I pooped in the woods. The dog ran up to me and barked. I was so scared. 😰😰😰 What do you think ?? 🙊
They don’t love the dogs. If they did they would walk them and train them. That’s what loving your dog entails. The man runs his own business so he’s perfectly capable of knowing what to do. The couple seem completely vacuous.
@@weallmakechoices7456 I was only helpless. I was in the middle of my business, with pants down and couldn't run away. It was very embrassing, as they saw me, with my bare bottom. 🥶😰😨 What do you think ??