A Review of ARCANE ACT 2 [Episodes 4-6]
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I think people are taking a step too far with the "sexual tension" between Silco and Jinx. Those two are dysfunctional people, they have their own obsessions and problems, Silco is a broken man that was betrayed by a person he considered a brother when they fought for their city, Powder is a broken girl that since childhood her whole world was stomped to smithereens, she lost her parents at a basic formative moment of her life and contrary what people think her "lack" of reaction isn't strange it is simply because her young mind couldn't properly process it.
They DON"T have any "sexual" thing going on, they simply lack part of the building block that make the nuances that people develop when in a family relationship, Silco truly thinks of her as his daughter, he sees her potential and what she is capable of, but in his obsession, he sees a soldier in her too someone that will walk by his side in his quest for "justice". And I disagree with the point that he is relegated to just a simple villain, all his arc is still there but he is still a man on a path of vengeance that he doesn't truly know the consequences of.
Powder is someone that deeply needs affection, just because we didn't "see" her love for Claggor and Mylo doesn't mean there wasn't any, she knows they are dead because of her mistake and that Vi "abandoned" because of that, so she carries that burden with her and it slowly corrodes her mind and this makes a need for affection that Silco provides, their closeness is simply their dynamic, I HIGHLY doubt Silco touch Powder in any manner besides as a daughter.
Let me be perfectly clear... their relationship still not healthy, because they both aren't healthy, but they are just a father and daughter, no more no less. In this second act I saw that maybe, there was a point where that for Powder's sake Silco would leave behind his thirst for revenge, and maybe... just maybe Powder could have not turned into Jinx, but we know how this song and dance will go... certain falls simply aren't recoverable.
Great point pal.
Also, wanna add to above that Silco's path isn't simply path of venegance. I can remember him saying that this is for the people of Zaun. So that the rich Piltovans would be less richer. Their whole arc with Vander was whether to give fight to Pilts or not. And while Vander was feared by the consequences of the previous attempt, Silco was more radical in that way. Act II he is just harnessing power so that he can make another attempt to overthrow Pilts.
It's weird to say thats silco going for jinx imo. As if simp culture has gone too far, if you show "good will" toward any girl youre a simp
We can see the reason why Jinx leans close to Silco like that in the scene is because she's going to help him inject his eye with the shimmer syringe.
Then, at the lake, they get uncomfortably close again, which is only followed in Silco immersing Jinx under the water.
They behave weirdly because they both are dysfunctional people. It's an unhealthy and delusional relationship, so its eeriness is intentional. There hasn't been any actual sexual indication between them, so yeah, I think people are imagining and assuming things out of the unsettling tone too quickly.
@@BalaenicepsRex3 ye the only point was silco giving jinx the "daddy's lap", and i dont think any of them give a single f about that lol. I dont think silco is interested in the opposite sex or sex at all
@@MefoWho She's still sitting at the table, not his lap lmao
Jinx being really touchy with Silco actually has a point. Notice, Jinx keeps seeing things that aren’t there, hallucinating people when that person isn’t there. She has no idea what is real and what is fake, which was shown with that Firelight girl from ep 4. Now Silco is the only person she trusts and treats like a family in the second act, and all of her touching him and being close is like to affirm herself ghat he’s that, that he’s real. Pretty sad to be honest.
Adding onto that: Silco is a villain and their relationship is clearly, unequivocally intended AND shown to be bad and unhealthy and is supposed to be uncomfortable. Vi is one of our main protagonists and her whole thing is how Silco is bad and is a terrible influence thats ruining Powder's life. Now if someone wants to argue whether something like the relationship between Silco and Jinx should be included in something thats PG13, thats a different debate and I totally get it. But the show also has rampant murder, drug abuse, a sex scene, and just in general is on the much darker side of things so its not like this relationship with Jinx and Silco that makes you uncomfortable comes out of nowhere in a show that is otherwise about people who live happy and healthy lives. Its a bad relationship, involving a bad man where his bad influence on this girl is one of his main crimes and conflicts with our protagonist, in a dark show.
@@Agumame
I never felt that it was uncomfortable.
I just a neutral dude that saw a father daughter relationship.
@@Agumamenah I saw a father trying to help in his own way.
As a father he preaches what he knows.
I mean it's all he has, well besides jinx and a dream.
He clearly doesn't care about death so jinx killing ain't a problem.
She likes to build so he got her a huge place to build what she wants.
He also trust him with his eye. A bond is there.
He has an ash tray jinx wrote all over.
Also his fucking ceiling is made for for jinx to chill.
And it seems no one knows about the roof thing.
He even talks to people while she is still in the room lol.
He is overly calm with jinx as well showing he is use to jinx being this way and he has accepted it.
He kinda just like.
Oh well never had a daughter might as well spoil this one.
Yes, Jinx is a bad person, that's the point, she can't do anything to absolve her actions, that's the point, that's why Vi stared at her with confusion when they were fighting the firelights, Jinx hust wasn’t the same anymore. She can't process remorse, that's why she has the dolls and the voices. The accident still sticks with her but since she can't process the remorse it manifests a different way.
Vi was devastated to see her sister became more unstable because she was gone.
I think his point is that Jinx hasn't gone full psycho yet hence the blue eyes and her sometimes being reasonable or showing some hesitation, yet she's already acting like it with the mass murder and destruction.
@@5-Volt She might not have gone full psycho yet, but it’s pretty evident that she has been mentally unstable even as a child. Coupled with growing up with silco and probably witnessing and having to participate in murders and ciminal activities. Just like Magikarp said “she’s probably 15”, children are easily indoctrinated.
The only murders that stick with her is the milo and clagger, because it’s directly tied to Vi leaving her, she can’t process remorse but she does feel abandonment and abandonment is what Silco hinged on when she first encountered powder.
@@5-Volt Silco most problably trained her to be a killer, a henchman, someone to do anything for him, she kills with no remorse, because, besides being mentally instable, she was trained to do it
@@dwightciervo4004 We saw her remorse in 5 ep - " This was a mistake! All of this was a mistake!"
As Silco said - those remorse were hunt Powder down and her Jinx personality is her way to avoid this pain
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Could Vi return her sister back in 6 ep (if Firelights did not show up) ? Good question. At least she is ready to try her best. Yep, Vi saw how unstable Powder became, but if something like this is enough for Vi to abbandon Powder the second time, then...well... that would make her words feel kinda empty
In the first act, all of jinx's murderes were accidental. In the second act, the enforcers are literally viewed as horrible people to the eyes of the people that live in Zaun. There's literally a cold war happening between the two sides. And the firelights are a rival gang. Of course there gonna murder each other.
Yeah that's what i thought too , a whole part of what went down last episode when Jinx saw Caitlyn and it messed up the reunion was literally because Caitlyn was an enforcer which are like natural enemies to Zauns citizens. And she grew up with a murderer and a bunch of other murders too , killing off a natural enemy is nothing new to her
He said even tho you have a rough childhood doesnt excuse you from killing people, without pointing out shes also unstable unlike any normal people. She tried to make a nail bomb at the age of 7 for fucksake.
Also her whole fucking character is being a Psychopath... like no shit she's gonna kill people, did you see her cinematic?
Even in the Jinx and Ziggs comic riot released, after they started blowing shit up Ziggs started being like YO WTF SHE IS FUCKING CRAZZYYY!!! xD
She also a literal villain. Spoiler for anyone who doesn't know League's lore, she never stops being a villain! Vi and Powder don't go back to being a happy family, Jinx is too far gone. We're supposed to see her story as tragic but not as an excuse or justification for her actions. She's the bad guy!
okay, but that doesn't exactly make it moral or sympathetic, I kind of agree with the enforcers point, but the firelights are clearly shown to be moral in the way they conduct there operations, so just starting the show by killing people who seem to be pretty good on the moral side of things makes you go "welp, fuck this bitch"
I never cared about Caitlyn as a Champion. But in Arcane I've loved her. She's been protected by her parents money her whole life even though she's wanted to escape it. Now that she gets the chance to escape with the help of Vi it's very eye opening for her.
It's literally like watching children of Millionaires & Billionaires stepping foot into the hood
I don’t think they necessarily have to explain the cause of why there’s a rift between Piltover and Zaun. From the average viewer it’s a classic rich and poor classist situation, the story doesn’t warrant the cause of the division since it’s the effects of the division that are relevant to the characters right now.
Right? It's okay to leave it as nuance because the audience picks up on it and understands it well. We don't need a character giving an expository on it.
I agree, and despite that characters frequently give clues and hints about what happened. The format of having an old guy sit in a rocking chair and just as he begins talking about the events that led him there, detailed flashbacks of unrelevant events appearing is not fitting for this story.
And there is no zaun yet.
Except that the story does explain the reason. Heimerdinger originally built Piltover as a place to get away from the Arcane and Mages. He instated a council to help rule it. With all great intentions, I'm sure, but with his lack of an eye to reality and the struggles of mortals, the council eventually became corrupt. So, they did what any power-hungry, classist snobby group would do, exploit the people who were born into a lower class for their own financial gain. Whether that be mining in the fissures or crafting the finest wines to then export to the other continents. Over time that conflict got worse and worse until Vander and Silco decided to lead an uprising against Piltover, which failed. And we are brought to the opening scene of Arcane. See, simple.
Is any of that outright explained in the series? No. But that's what makes it great! You can capture all of the information from how the characters act with themselves and interact with each other on screen. You can infer all that detail with what is given between the lines of the dialogue and conversations between the characters. Even the cinemotography, color theory, and background matte painting used all paint that story for the audience to capture, reflect upon, and mull-over to build their own informed opinion of the "story behind the story". Absolute brilliant story-telling in my opinion.
Not much to understand about Piltover v Zaun but classism and simple economics. It really isn't necessary to explain, and honestly your examples of A New Hope or Fear Street don't do a much better job of it. Pretty easy to present the underground as a counterculture, and people at the top like Jayce have made it very clear that they want to use their work to help Zaun rather than further alienate it.
y'all missing the point. even if they don't need to explain it that heavily, it's not involved in this show about zaun and piltover, it even covers a civil war that lead to major character events AND piltovian politics, yet it barely focuses on their conflict in real time in the show
I agree. He's looking for stuff that isn't strictly necessary for a fresh take. They show, don't tell, what the situation is like now, and the events that happen in it. You don't need to know how it came to this point, unless the plot has a reason to explain, and then it will.
@@De_La_Evo because there is no conflict like the one we saw at the beginning of the series, that's kind of the point. The scene with Vander and the enforcer leader made that pretty clear but one of the biggest brewing plots is that there will be one eventually since Silco is in charge now. That's what I got from the series so far at least.
@@sear8618 the fact they covered piltovian politics should mean they cover zaunite abuse
I think a lot of people are also missing the point that at this time Zaun doesn't technically exist. The only time Zaun is referenced is by Silco when talking about the future. Theres no real politics for Zaun because it isn't a thing yet.
I feel like jinx has always played a Deadpool type character, both in previous lore and general aesthetics. She's always been a killing without remorse type, and her mental health was always a massive part of her. You shouldn't be agreeing with jinx or siding with her... You should empathize and see she's going down a spiral. Idunno I think they did a good job portraying jinx in this.
Tbh i see more joker in jinx than deadpool.
Vanders dead, but The Experiment might live. But you have completely missed Jinx's motivation, she burned that whole bridge to Vander and Vi after vi walked out. It would be pointless to show her grieving when she was all angst at that point.
I mean she was also like 7 years old.
The experiment is obviously leading to Mundo
I'm pretty sure magikarp forgot what jinx is in game. We already know the end game of most of these characters more or less.
@@SunfishV Warwick Actually
@@nievesassassin I don't know what he wants from a Psychopath character like jinx. "oh where is her redemption arc?" she just is a murderer. what do you want jhin to be good deep down inside? not everyone needs to be a good person.
I think whole thing with Jinx is intentional, after all, in lore she is an irredeemable psychopath that kills and causes chaos just for the fun of it. Sure fans always tried to do the age old "she ain't that bad compared to some of the other characters in Zaun or Piltover" cause you know waifu crap and something, something, she was leagues Harley Quinn for the longest time.
The show is definitely gonna end with Viktor showing off his first augments (cane controlled laser arm) to Jayce and them breaking up. Vi will join the Piltover police force and Jinx will probably kill off Silco
thats if they dont fuck you retcon a lot of the lore
Nah, Silco is gonna die (probably Vi kills him) and Jinx gonna lose it for real because it's gonna be her fault again.
Better theory: Jinx and/ or Vi unite against Silco and he retreats, horribly wounded and bleeding across the back alleys of Zaun. Then we hear that iconic howl... Warwick will definitely be the end of our villain here.
My theory is that Silco would betray jinx and is gonna unleash shimmer mutants only to be stopped by ... Warwick Jinx gets traumatized again, falls of a vat filled with Hextech infused Shimmer and becomes Game Jinx with Vi joining the Enforcers.
@@HelloItsMikkan ew get the Harley Quinn Allusions out if here bro do something different.
I think Jinx was so invested in Mylo's death because we can presume he always "bullied" her and believed she was useless to their little group. Which is why she snaps after thinking Vi is tricking her, she hears Mylo making a fool out of her to which she responds, "Shut up! I'm in no mood."
I just want to say that Star Wars has literal lore dumps in the form of crawling text at the start of the movie
So its a bad comparison to say that Arcane's Act 1 has the same run time as Star Wars A New Hope and the later has better world building
Because the only thing that Arcane Act 1 lacks compared to A New Hope is that text crawl that sets the origin of the struggle between Piltover and Zaun
The "lore dumps" in the star wars are barely anything at all lmao.
@@antoniomendes7961 The text crawl in A New Hope is 83 words long and it stablishes
There is a civil war
The empire is evil
The empire has a weapon that can destroy whole planets
The rebels managed to steal the weapon's blueprints and are being transported by Leia
Leia is being persued by the Empire
I think that Arcane could stablish that The Lanes live in an enviorement of contamination and pollution as the result of Piltover's technological progress. The people of The Lanes live in dire situations, forced to steal and trade in shady deals to survive while Piltover lives comfortably in luxury. And the people of The Lanes are tired to be looked down upon and want to be recognized by their government as equals with Piltover
I just did it in 63 words, Arcane could have done better than me and this lore dump would solve Matt's observation that things aren't that clearly stablished
@Backlight 2025
We don’t need long expositions on things like the water being toxic. We see it through the oily sheen the water has, how all the enforcers wear masks because the air is so toxic to them. We don’t need them to tell us that they have to steal just to get by, we are introduced to that fact by simply watching them and the fact they DO STEAL to get by. We don’t need them to tell us the topsiders look down on them when we see the attitude the enforcers treat them with, and how the rich barely even talk about them. The visual cues of the city of gold and creams and the dingy dark colours of the Undercity already establish to the viewer. There’s just no need for words when you can see it so clearly.
@@lumenx7499 You didn't say anything that could refute my comment.
Matt compares Arcane to Star Wars in terms of run time and lore stablished, complaining that Star Wars did a better job at stablishing it's universe than Arcane did in the same amount of time
To which I say that every Star War movie has a text crawl that puts the events of the movie into context
Now, you are right, we can see that the enviorwment in The Lanes is toxic, that they live in poverty, that Piltover live in wealth and have a low and poor image of people from the Lanes. We even see a violent conflict between both populations
What we don't see as an audience is the why both population centers live in the conditions they live in and why they relationship is one of agresivity and disdain?
How come that one city is living full of wealth and the other is surviving in poverty and contamination? Why do they hate each other?
League of Legends players will know why if they have read the lore of Runeterra and can figure out the context and history of The Lanes and Piltover by projecting the knowdelege from the game into the series, even if it's not a 1:1 translation from game to animated series.
But new audiences will be lost about the origin of the situation they see the cities and characters in.
If Star Wars can use 83 characters to stablish a princess fleeing an empire to help the rebels in their war against said empire, Arcane could have used a similar count to tell the audience how one city came to be prosperous by polluting and empoverishing the neighbour city.
That would put the series in the context needed for audiens to better understand the the injustice that Piltover imposed on The Lanes and the conflict this generated between their habitants
Calling enforcers innocent in the eyes of jinx is little off in my opinion
Calling enforcers innocent is off in general lol
Jinx Is not shown to have remorse over the deaths she causes because that's her deal, people like to say she's Harley Quinn but she's even clóser to the Joker on some most points, she's suppose to be all explosions and don't give a fuck about colateral damage, she's never shown to feel bad for killing people until her cómic with Ziggs, and even then it left no casualties.
But Jinx doesn't show grief...not even her parents in the beginning...
I think the way she processes it is highly abnormal, it seems like she internalizes it in a really unhealthy way. At that age especially grief can show up in very unusual ways and even if there are no external changes it can do a lot of damage to a kid psychologically.
Trauma does funny things to a person. We don't have any ages so we don't know how old Jinx was when her parents died and by the time the story starts proper it's been a few years so time has blunted the pain.
But it's clear that her parents death messed with her head because even in act 1 we see that Jinx has a fear of abandonment that resulted in mental disorder (punching your own head when in distress is a clear sign)
It's also that deep rooted fear that pushed Jinx to immediately latch on to Silco because he was there when she was most vulnerable.
I feel like this is extra obvious after she accidentally killed Mylo and Claggor. When she notices claggor's goggles with blood she doesn't begin to cry because her friends are death, she cries because she fucked up again and she is scared that Vi will get angry. From what I remember she never tries to apologize either and just repeats that she only wanted to help. Additionally when Silco finds Jinx, she is quite quick to blame Vi and say they aren't sisters anymore. Yes, Vi got mad and hit and yelled at Jinx but she still tried to save her sister when she saw silco. Jinx on the other hand embraced the person that kidnapped Vander and killed the shop owner all because she had self-pity at that time.
That's kinda the sign of psychopath so it makes sense.
@@Ozgarthefighter I also feel like he missed the part that she's clearly Schizo and became crimanally insane, egded on by a gang boss to become his controlled chaos.
I agree Mel was great character, but I also enjoyed watching Marcus (sheriff) and his dilemmas Silco got great scene with his daughter :)
"I'm gonna take this, but I'm deeply offended"
-Marcus, every time Silco gives him money.
karp, your criticisms of jinx’s character have always been present. Along wit the fact that silco probably messed her up more, i dont find it surprising that jinx is incapable of empathy
like her whole thing is “i literally dont care about anythin other than vi, even innocent lives”
I'm choosing to see Arcane for what it seems clearly intended to be: an easy entry point to the world of Runeterra that gradually invites the viewer further in through its characters and their stories, even it doesn't give them all as much time as we wish it did. The production from a visual and audio standpoint continues to be top of the industry, and I think Studio Fortiche has somehow nailed the perfect balance so far with keeping the story detail-rich for existing fans, while also making the overall plot easy enough to follow for a general audience. Let's at least all be happy that everyone involved managed to pull off a project like this to the extent that they already have! Regardless of how the third act lands, Arcane has easily set the bar for shows based on video games, and has already succeeded in introducing the best part of LoL and Runeterra to vast swaths of people that never would've known about it otherwise.
I've been watching this show with my partner, who has zero familiarity with LoL and Runeterra, and she's been able to follow the plot and characters pretty much without issue, even enjoying the show so much that she insists on watching the new episodes together! As someone who hasn't followed the lore that closely until recent years, I think it's a little silly how hung up you're getting on retcons and the potential significance of easter eggs. This is far from the first time Riot has updated their lore, the hesitation with a declaration of canon vs. non-canon is likely to appease lore fanatics since most others (myself included) really don't give a shit about total accuracy.
jinx's whole thing in league is that she literally blows up whatever she wants without remorse and you're surprised that she kills people???
I mean this still isn't the jinx we know in league, she's still pretty young, and they didn't show us how she became so deranged at all
He's making a rebuttal against Jinx stans who try to justify her murders by pointing at her sad back story/mental illness. And since the plot _totally_ seems to be building up to a redemption for Jinx (of sorts), he's explaining why such a redemption wouldn't hold water.
She's like 12 here, and it's not just her killing people, she ENJOYS it. She went from a slightly unstable child to full blown psychopath before she hit puberty.
@@loglog7 wait 12? Vi is in her 20s she can't be that young in act 2
@@46raulfull When do we find that out?
My fav scene was when Viktor was going while Jayce was coming
Lmfao
In all due respect, about the shock factor, I think it was pretty much the point to really focus on that third episode, and of course it wouldn't be nearly as good without the ending to it, since it's all a build up leading to that climax.
But isn’t that the point of Jinx? Slowly becoming less and less redeemable and more and more crazy? Like that’s the game Jinx so that’s probably the end goal for her character
Of course Jinx is a psychotic sociopath... SHE IS JINX! that is like her whole deal. She is an agent of chaos
I had hoped that jinx and vi would be more and more separated. I feel like that would be more cannon than a redemption arc.
@@craazyy22 they probably will in the end considering vi is most likely joining the enforcers and jinx will still go off killing people.
i actually like the "shock value" of the third episode felt like a natural escalation of the events that is very clearly foreshadowed by earlier episodes, like if you see through their dialogue you kinda expect shit to go down the drain really fast.
I think JInx not feeling any remorse towards killing innocent people shows just how far gone she is. Her immense guilt for accidently killing her friends has been twisted and turned by Silco to fashion her into this complete agent of chaos. I mean look at her character in league lore. She was never the good guy or anti-hero (at least not in anything I can remember). She is always the Joker to Caitlin and Vi's Batman. A completely disturbed person wrecking havoc in a torn and crooked enviroment. The only time we see her entertain the idea of leaving what shes becoming is when she learns that Vi isnt dead. She raises the torch-thing in the hopes of bringing back what she had before. But then Ekko (at least I hope he is) comes and fucks that up.
As far as her not thinking about Vander, i think youre right. It does seem odd that she doesnt remember him the same way she does her friends. I think that it lends to idea that vander is still around in some form or another.
Emm... are the Enforces really inocent? In her eye's they are some sort of daemons (for fair reason).
Be ready to fight against Piltover is kinda normal for Zaun( we saw it in act 1 where literaly everyone were ready to start a war. Including Vi and Pawder). it is not like she kill random people's on the street just for fun(at least not yet). Enforces are enemies for her since childhood and raising under Silco guidence did not make things any better
Thing is - you try to put our IRL moral standarts into this situation. For us killing people is a worldend scale of crime - "point of no return". Reasons does not matter. But for Zaun killing your enemy is your day-normal life in city full of crime and gangster's
It's been wonderful so far. Glad to see you're putting your review up
Its really hilarious to see how you get hung up so much on your existing Lore knowledge.
I dont think its a big deal mylo and claggor didn't get character development because as I feel like that's the point. They don't get to grow up and change and become better people and get character development because of what jinx did, it makes their deaths much more tragic IMO, because everything was stripped away from them before they could learn to grow
There's a big difference between character development and character progression.
Character development is how much a character is fleshed out while progression refers to their starting point and their end point.
Character progression is not a mandatory part of storytelling. Cowboy bebop is regarded as one of the best animated shows ever yet none of its main characters really show any clear signs of progression. That entire show is pure character development and it works great.
So i really don't think character progression for mylo and claggor was necessary
Yeah, a death of underdeveloped characters even happens in the best-written series. In One Piece for example, the death of a character has more impact on the viewer through the effect on characters you DO care about, rather than directly.
Yes, exactly. Thank you. I feel the exact same way. not everyone get's a neat character arc, some people just die. That's life.
@@skulduggerypleasant9008 i honestly feel like it's unnecessary to give big development to characters who have no need to really change for the story to work
Interesting to hear your thoughts on Arcane, although might not agree with everything you say, it’s still great video nonetheless
"She kills several innocent people, so it doesn't matter what your character arc is" (17:00 ish for full context, I'm absolutely paraphrasing)
Gonna strongly (and respectfully) disagree. Act 1 already showed that she wants to fight back against Piltover -- even Mylo is surprised and comments on her zeal. Even Vander was having trouble keeping the Underground under control near the end. And after Act 2, we're dealing with a Jinx that's been raised half her life by Silco, a guy who's more than likely filled her head with even more Piltover prejudice. A guy who wants Zaun to be born as a true nation.
She _was_ killing "bad guys," as far as she's likely concerned. If you asked her, how many enforcers do you think she'd say are "innocent?" Or anyone living in the underground, for that matter?
That said, "as far as she's concerned" is likely not very far at all. She is, after all, the Loose Cannon. She was gonna throw a bomb full of nails at the Enforcers in Act 1. The first two verses of Get Jinxed fully convey her energy. She calls herself Jinx, now, forsaking her name -- she's fully committed to the fact that disaster happens around her, and is reveling in it.
To say "it doesn't matter what your story arc is" because they don't regret their actions is... A bit myopic, in my opinion? That doesn't "just make her a bad person." She's a traumatized sociopath who's being used as a tool, and the powder keg of what she's going to do when she figures it out is already lit. That is seriously interesting, to me.
it’s not that he doesn’t get Jinx, He just don’t sympathy with it. Jinx really don’t have any excuses for that bomb attack.
@@knell18897 Didn't say he "didn't get it."
And she absolutely does.
@@BornFlunky no she doesn’t, the reason she bomb a place killing several people because she want to prove herself to Silco, she do that on her own so you can’t use excuse like Silco “make” her do it. No amount of personal trauma or mental health issues going to cover it either, she fully aware of what she do and she choose to not care. That is just plain unredeemable action, the same as when she shoot a raven in her old hideouts, she show the lack of empathy toward people, the same characteristics that serial killer have.
@@knell18897 You say she doesn't have an excuse, and then you literally provide the excuse in question. You just contradicted yourself in the same breath.
I also didn't say "Silco made her do it." Don't straw man me, c'mon.
However, personal trauma, sociopathy, mental health -- that absolutely explains many of her actions. She's unhinged. That's her _thing._
You're confusing "justifiable character actions" with "morally justifiable actions." I'm talking about the former, not the latter. At no point did I say what she was doing was "good."
But it was, as far as a character like Jinx is concerned, understandable.
And to dismiss the character's actions as "just a bad person" because they're morally questionable and/or reprehensible, and remorseless? That is, in my opinion, ignoring several facets of the character.
@@BornFlunky when i say “make” her do it. I’m talking about how you claim Silco influences her to become a cold heart killer, which you can’t take as an excuse for this specific bomb attack because i doubt that he taught her to randomly kill and bomb the city, so that is all on her.
I don’t know where did you get this excuses from my previous comments, I have provide no excuse for her. Perhaps you mistake reason with excuse or you think trauma and mental issues are valid excuse for her action, which is not.
Just because she have a terrible childhood doesn’t mean she is now completely devoid of reason, she is still pretty much aware of her action, it’s not like she is a lunatic that kill because the voice in her head told her to, contract to popular believe she is not crazy she is psychopaths. And i didn’t say anything about she is a “bad” character because she is plain bad guy, I’m showing you why some people just don’t relate to her or seeing her a redeemable character.
Matt: "No matter what your character arc is if you kill people like that you're a bad person"
Jinx: "Ummmmm I'm literally neurodivergent and a minor"
ngl i audibly exhaled though my nose right there
Lmaooooooo
Really enjoying these Matt!! Thanks for taking the time to make them!!
padidly is repurposed as one of the founders. hes dead. heimer is telling Jayce about him to inspire him. inventing things take time and perservearance but if you keep at it long enough youll carve yourself into history. something like that idk
Arcane is definitely 100% canon, there's no reason for it not to be. The retcons are the new lore of the main game.
As a person new to this universe of league of legends I thought Jinx was supposed to be evil no matter what. And I personally want to keep seeing her being evil because I don't understand what would making jinx good do for her character? Keeping her evil means vi will have to eventually give up in her sister, which to me sounds like Drama!! (That I want to see). And another thing I want to see is Silco become or show strong fatherly role for jinx. I loved the hints of Silco caring for jinx like a father and I love what I would do for their both of their characters. Though I'm concerned about how "close" they get to eachother too! Hope those parts are the exception to their relationship. In the end I just want the "bad" guys be human and have good traits to them. (Though the bad traits should outweigh the good for jinx and silco).
Glad you're taking care of yourself! Keep the DiceCheck content coming!
Really stoked on these reviews man! Thanks for putting them out there! I always find that I learn a lot of unforeseen things about the show and it makes it a lot more enjoyable :)
Silco gets Jinx.
Vi gets Caitlyn.
Jayce gets Mel.
What do Viktor get?
THE GLORIOUS EVOLUTION.
The man the legend
*IS BACK!!*
Innocent enforcer is an oxymoron. Seeing enforcers kill your family when you're a small child will probably not make you see them as innocent.
Ima have to rewatch the episodes so that I can think abt the things you pointed out. I love your videos man 👍🏻👍🏻👍🏻
It's so good to hear your voice again matt, great video man
I think the comparison to a new hope is a bit disingenuous considering a new hope had an opening crawl to give the background exposition information which way less of the “show don’t tell” style that arcane has been using. Overall I don’t think the logical reason is too important for the class disparity, class disparity is something that is inherently understood and is easily visually communicated to us through the show and the point of it is to resonante emotionally not logically. Obviously the lore hound in me would love for there to be more exposition on it, however I don’t think over explaining the socio economic factors behind the wealth disparity is incredibly important in what is a very character/emotion focused mini series
sure... but like, the struggle between zaun and piltover, that area's main hook and interesting trait story wise, is on the backburner for a majority of the show. I want to see them acknowledge that zaun needs help and no one is giving it to them, I want them to acknowledge the piltover assassins that keep things in check i.e. camille, and I want them to acknowledge the fact that piltover's negligence is plain wrong. If arcane is attempting to tell a piltover and zaun story, well, it should tell a piltover and zaun story
A big reason Jinx has not mourned over Vander is in part to the manipulation caused by Silco. Another major reason, which was briefly touched upon, is her mental illnesses. She has PTSD for sure, but also schizophrenia, which I immediately noticed. A lot of people will say it's just plain sociopathic, but schizophrenic fits her way more. Which leads to a lot of her behavior in talking to her dead friends and the voices she hears, alongside the disassociation she feels with her childhood name, Powder. That's my look on it from a psychological perspective at least haha
Matt I disagree with your viewpoint on Jinx, the show is trying to show how she is inherently a bad person who had already been heading down a dark path for awhile now. This show acknowledges her unnecessary violence in the episode 6 where Vi is visibly shocked and horrified when Jinx is taking pleasure in her kills
Thank you for this video! Was super awesome!,,
Jinx not reacting to Vander, and his supposed death, could be her just trying to act tough.
Also Silco may have influenced Jinx's view on Vander. Which I thought was pretty self explanatory.
@@willclaassen882 Yup. She abandoned some aspects of her past life but others -like her siblings- keep haunting her. We don't really see a very deep influence or connection between Powder and Vander as much as between him and Vi. Jinx doesn't even show any attachment to The Last Drop as Vi does.
she is literally a Unstable person
she can't even properly act and handle the accident nor feel remorse, she is becoming a schizophrenic and slowly become more Psychotic..
@@lag00n54 Exactly (I think I didn't phrase my previous comment very well, I was trying to give examples of how Jinx fell into insanity and forgot most of her past while Vi still cares)
for saying that you loved act 2 the review seems very negative. even when you bring up things you liked you use it to nail down how much you dislike others
Well when somethings bugs you, it usually is much more interesting to say "this bugs me because....[ 3 minutes of developpement about unclear things ]"
rather when everything is fine and cool to follow saying "this is good i like it"
@@Dhurak57 that goes in both directions though. You can also go into detai,l as he did to some extend, about why you like the things.
Just bugs me a little that the review is build up in such a way that it seems much more critical than I guess he intended to. As someone who believes that you can disprove most of his negative points about the show, I'm left wondering what I watched this review for at the end of it
I wait for these videos.
The "relationship" between Silco and Jinx was meant to be wrong, weird, and threatening. I think its a good factor to add since they're going with a very dark theme with the story. The persistent tension and uncertainty between them adds depth to their relationship imo.
Also, Jinx exhibited possible signs of Schizophrenia. The hallucinations, voices in her head, the haunting guises of people she knows hint to her having schiz. This might explain her behavior when she saw her parent's bodies. It might be hinted that she has suffered with this throughout her childhood, and this would extremely affect how she reacts to things.
I feel like Jinx and Silco's relationship is supposed to accurately display grooming and the dangers of it, and it does that well.
@@deannanicole2054 yes I agree, which is what we would expect from Silco.
Love this new Overwatch video
I'm genuinely baffled at how poorly you've analyzed the show on some points. You did make some great point on the pacing, some characters (enphasis on some, gosh damn you do have some really bad takes sry ...). But at the same time you talk about stuff you dont seem to understand yourself.
About the character devellopment of Milo and Claggor, you think you are criticizing the lack of DEVELOPMENT but what you are criticizing is the lack of character PROGRESSION. Yes they have no character progression in act 1, but they are (and we are talking about secondary characters i remind you) developed. If you understand their personality, their relationships with other characters then that means they had development. Yes they are not very fletched out, and that's a good thing to point out. But stop mistaking development for progression pls.
Now about the relationship between Piltover and Zaun. I believe you may not have seen the same show as me, because its pretty clear why each parti feels the way they do.
Zaun hates piltover because of repression, NOT simply because they are rich. Cops can do anything they want in zaun (to some extend as we saw with vander's agreement), They feel like Piltover does nothing to help them (which is true).
On the other side, we have Piltover. THey dont hate them because they are poor ?? They are discusted by poverty. Its a classical dystopian trope. They hate filth, they hate the toxicity, they hate the crime. Which explains why enforcers are so aggressive down there. But guess what ? All of these are caused by Piltover. They put all the toxic manufacturing industries in Zaun (we see that in every landscape shot of both cities), they created an environment that encouraged crime. The counsel talks about their struggle to control the undercity, their policies have lead them this far.
I understood all that just by watching the show. The show makes a very explicit job at showing why things are the way they are when it comes to the politics... I really think knowing about the lore has made you a bit too closed off regarding anything the show tries to show us. Sry about that ranting but goddamn you've said some really dumb stuff. Im not gonna go on any further but pls next time dont look at your phone when watching the show. so many of your unanswered questions can be answered by just listening..
"Analyzed" ??
This guy is crying and complaining about everything because they changed a bland champion description that did not have any meaning 10 years ago because it was just for the game, ofc they gonna change some lore you du%$ nerd.
@@jinzok You can chill a bit, dude x). He does make a good point about lore faithfulness ( there's more to the lore than just champion descriptions btw), but the show must be taken at face value if one is to criticize it imo.
@@pierre-louislamaze8802 yeah but some stories are better in arcane. Like Viktors motivation to become a cyborg.
Im sorry but hes so stucked up with the old lore and some of his interpretation is just meh. Welp
hard agree. a lot of pretty bad takes and hes doing that arm chair critic thing where a certain aspect doesnt follow this random invisible "rule" so its not good. like a bad guy has to show grief for you to care about their story? thats rigid af.
OMG this reviews are soooooo goood
I love your recap of Arcane
I just watched the first part, and as soon as i refreshed my sub-page i saw this
Awesome timing
I liked both acts because they have been explaining areas of story that haven't been fleshed out. We know what Jayce Viktor Vi Jinx ekko singed, caitlyn all become but seeing what leads to them to how they act and even the people the inspire them to be who they are is great. Yeah the Jinx Silco scenes were kind of creepy and wrong feeling but they are two mentally traumatized people who share in a similar pain. Pointing out that jinx Just kinda starts murdering people being non redeeming is true for sure I kind of viewed it as a Everyone labels me as a mistake so I'll do things that are morally wrong to prove them that I can be worse.
anyway before this gets too long I was a little weirded by some of the complaints as I have been loving the show so far but hey to each their own.
Honestly there alot of things I disagree with in this review, but the one I dont understand the most is how Silco has become less of a character.
Did we not watch the same scene with Woodkid playing in the background where Silco shows his rage? How he borderline killed one of his own crew, how he stumbles back when he kicks because he's so physically weak, and how he screams and ruffles his hair. Silco become **more** of a character imo
Also with Jinx not becoming redeemable, bro we see how she ended up in game. I dont think she's supposed to be redeemable lol
ALSO ALSO Its not an episode named after just an Imagine Dragons song, its an episode named after a League of Legends song, that just so happened to be made by Imagine Dragons. All the music in this series is unique to Arcane
Silco had no problem killing THE SHERIFF and using shimmer to wage war in act 1. In act 2, he smuggles shimmer to corrupt piltover from the inside. He also works with the sheriff and gets mad if an enforcer dies for no reason
god dam im early
plus nice vid man wish you could do that with other stuff movies/other shows
"Why does she feel attached to and guilty for the two brothers she killed which drove her sister away? That's weird." Dude Im glad youre doing a review but some of these takes... agh
Great video! About Caitlyn, I can agree with a lot of what you said. I find a small amount of appeal in her character with her “fish out of water” dynamic with zaun. The privileged booksmart rich kid going to learn about the streets. It’s kinda compelling to me.
My impression was that Jinx had about as much empathy for enforcers/topsiders as the star wars crew had for anyone on the death star or clad in storm trooper armor.
In her mind she's killed two people on accident and a lot of nazis on purpose.
.The enforcers killed her parents, why would she care or did u forget that part. lol
also killing side characters dont matter otherwise almost every fictional character is completely crazy
oooo discourse over stuff said in the video. I agree with you matt. I will say they probably meant to imply a lot of how jinx became a murderer by the time skip of being raised by silco but they couldve did a montage of the two sisters going through where they were like jinx living under the chem lords and vi getting angry in prison and so on.
I think the inclusion of Stanwick Pedidly was supposed to be an Easter Egg for those who read the lore, because I think what they're doing is rewriting some of Piltover's history to make it more interesting and champion-focused instead of a bunch of no-names making groundbreaking inventions. I think Stanwick is gonna get retconned from being Jayce and Viktor's mentor and his inclusion in the show is just a reminder of what once was there. It'd be super interesting if Stanwick was also Singed because Singed was a Piltovan professor in the lore and he hasn't shown any signs of being such in Arcane.
i do agree that it would be nice to see jinx charater more fleshed out, i hope they do that in act 3, but i feel like the reason that she's like this is because if silcos influence on her, if you spend upwards of 5+ years with someone saying that they hate the person that cared for you, and that they weren't that person that you thought they were, that would probably mess up their view on that person .
Much love to you
Dude, just coming in to say: Your filmmaking talent is awesome.
Missed your league content dude. Glad you enjoyed Arcane
Good thing Matt warned about the spoilers. I would’ve had no idea
I'm surprised about a few things Matt.
First off all, I'm surprised about your point about Milo and Clagger and how their lack of character development/backstory weakens their tie to Jinx and Vi. While they're clearly just a plot device, they exist to comolement the early dynamic between Vi and Jinx, bring a bit if conflict and most importantly show how the two girls have found a new family with Vander and the two kids. They have a sibling-like/close friendship thing going on, so I don't see the need for them to have any particular extra story (though I'd like it if Milo was a bit more than just the group's asshole, but oh well) for me to understand why Jinx and Vi are so distraught at their death. I agree with your point on Vander tho and even raise. Even if he's still alive, 99% sure that Jinx doesn't know that, so him not being shown like the other two is still weird.
I'm actually surprised you disliked the relationship between Jinx and Silco (and get your head out of the gutter dude), to me it seemed more like this weird, dysfunctional parent-child relationship, where Silco sees himself in Jinx and actually cares for her, but is on the other scared of her and what she will do if unchecked. In the same vein, I don't think Jinx is supposed to be pitied. She's a tragic character, not necessarily a sympathetic one and the show seems aware of that. They are aiming for audience pity at her situation, not for sympathy at her actions (at least imo)
Lastly, thanks for bringing up the Sun Gates, I really had not noticed how the show had completely ignored the reason behind the divide (and I fear it won't be brought up).
Lastly, I just found it really cool how Silco and Marcus kinda slipped into the same roles as Vander and Grayson, just more aggressive and less trusting of each other. It really underlined how their hateful, idealistic rhetoric of "just crush em all, easy solution" really doesn't work in the real world and how they needed to compromise with their perceived enemy just to stay afloat. It's a nice bit of commentary in a world so hellbent on seeing the other side as the enemy that needs to be destroyed, rather than someone we need to collaborate with even if we don't agree.
Anyways, still a great video as usual Matt, glad to see you uploading again
I like these videos and Matt I think after Arcane ends you should do a Jeopardy with the boys on Arcane, tbh I just want to see morr Karp Krew Jeopardy
"Omg, she kills people, I'm gonna cry". Dude, that's why this show is good - it doesn't treat you like a child. Yeah, she kills people, 'cause she is fcking crazy. Jeez, what's a childish way to see things
I was gonna go to sleep but I missed ur voice man
I don’t agree that there is a sexual tension between Jinx and that guy, he uses her for her skills as some weapon plus he is perfectly aware of her mental state and he just takes an advantage of it. I choose to believe that there is no sexual tension
what a time to be alive, matt covering anything league related for once
i love this show so much, its so fucking beautiful
bruh jinx is literally ready to kill a child in act 1 with his nail bomb
that girl was messed up from the start, even when her parents died she didn't cry, just held tight on to her sister. Its just that nobody ever saw that except for silco and instead of giving her a healthy outlet he poured oil over the fire.
I'm really hoping Arcane becomes more of an anthology series: easter eggs and tie-ins with the events of the previous seasons, but each one being a pretty isolated exploration of a different group of characters (Ionians dealing with the Noxian invasion, The Ninja School team's history with Zed, Ezreal and Lux roadtrip to a ruined dungeon, etc. etc.)
Fasle we love the jinx/silco dad/willthey wontthey complex but ty for an amazing breakdown miss your leauge content
Retcon needed to happen to make a show. Hardly any material from the game is coherent enough to flow for a TV show or movie.
Don't worry dude, apparently in the bio of Mel Medarda, her clan is responsible for making the Sungates, so they are definitely still canon and why Zaun was dragged down to the underground
Tho I guess the reason we barely hear about it is because none of them have mentioned it yet explicitly, but with that one Medarda visiting Piltover from Noxus, she might bring it up
Bro i was refreshing your page for this video
If Matt has an issue with Jinx's sociopathic lifestyle, he would have a field day with Junko Enoshima
So basicaly after i rewatched it after the attack in the meeeting it states that the undercity is part of the city. So if you go by the trailers the final act will be the revolution of Zaun and the creation of the 2 cities
Zaun does not exist yet at this point, the undercity is part of Piltover
Never have I disagreed more with a review lmao
Pretty good video though we'll have to wait for Act 3 I guess
What exactly do you disagree on ? I am curious.
honestly same, so many baffling takes and focusing on entirely the wrong message of a scene.
@@kirya7177 Not gonna write a novel here but he manages to (IMO) misread every detail that he proceeds to nitpick over, add to that the unnecessary shocked and baffled attitude when he goes over things he liked less idk just made me cringe a little
@@gyrkam8518 Me too. I'm a bit disappointed. His review of the first act was a lot more in depth, although it had its little bad takes too.
Heck you i havent had time to watch it yet, now you DEMAND OF ME to REMEMBER TOMORROW TO WATCH THIS FLOWER??
haha i guess i will
I do enjoy dicecheck from time to time but i like you solo too
My first exposure to League's lore is the story between Viktor and Jayce. It amazed me when I found out that Viktor, the guy that looks like a super villain in game, was in fact not evil at all. My man just wanted to improve the human body with machinery seeing how workers suffered.
Then in Arcane, they take that base story, and add so much more. Viktor saves Jayce's life. They seem to be friends but you can sense something off by the foreshadowing (Jayce putting it cup over Viktor, Viktor staying backstage while Jayce getting the glory & Viktor going from an assistant of Heimerdinger to of Jayce). It's so exciting knowing that eventually, they will fall back into their ingame selves, but the journey there is so much different and flavourful now to the original lore.
Yeah, I definitely hope they get their shit together with the lore and mold everything else around Arcane.
Also I really don't understand why people are getting sexual vibes from Jinx and Silco. It never even crossed my mind until someone else brought it up. Yeah she got up close, sort of on his lap, and touched him, but she was also trying to inject his eye. She may have boundary issues, but honestly don't really see anything wrong there.
Jinx is literally crazy, you gotta remember that
I don't think she only has ptsd
I mean it's pretty apparent she could have schizophrenia
And could also have personality disorders
Now this is quality content when it comes to reviews or going through the story. He explains everything so clearly and it's all very easy to follow and understand. Maybe it's because the pauses aren't edited out which kinda syncs our thoughts with his as he's talking, idk. I find myself agreeing with most of what he said. There are some references about the crystals actually being Brackern crystals and not the synthetic onse in the "into the Arcane" tab in League client. This doesn't matter tho cause I do think the show should reference everything important and be a stand-alone.
One thing I personally really love is how AMAZINGLY they animate Jinx. Her mannerisms and moments all have this crazy energy/vibe and I cannot imagine how much effort that musta been.
Gj riot games. Gj Matt.
Fuk you RUclips. Can't even tell if people like this video or not because we can't see the ratio. -_-
What a cute animal, I hope nothing bad happens to it.
Mat, I like your videos
Did you know?
1. Singed was the assistant of Silco
2. Vander turns into Warwick
I just think that act 2 was more focused on Jayce’s side like how the first act was more focused on vi
Heimer begins his Piltover Customs life
the reason for jinx's obssession with mylo and claggors death doesnt necessarily have to be because she cared about them (although i assume she did in some sense because she always wanted to help them), but its because its the reason she assumes Vi left her. Vi's protection and approval are ALL she cared about. so in some sense their deaths led jinx to her loneliness. hence why shes so fixated on their deaths. because if she never killed them then its easy for her to assume that vi wouldnt have left her.
16:56 his opinion about Jinx is pretty spot on. Her backstory doesn't excuse her actions like murder and terrorism. But I feel thats the point, she is a villain, she doesn't have a redemtion arch. And I LOVE that. I hate it when they make a psychopatic killer but then go "oh but they had a sad childhood etc etc". They're giving a backstory to Jinx that explain why she does what she does, but doesn't(nor try) to excuse it. Of course everyone is entitled to their opinion so is okay if some people doesn't like that.
Have to say that "amount of ignorance brought by Caitlyn" is likely intentional. Caitlyn was raised under the hawk eye of her nobility parents and lived in a very sterile environment. She has never had do anything like this. Even her interactions with non-nobility would be with Piltover residents, who are still living very good lives. She has not had to face any horrors until she started working with the enforcers. Even when she started working with the enforcers, her parents made sure she only got safe jobs. Her parents got her fired after she was on a dangerous assignment so she could take a ceremonial desk job. Her parents wanted her in a structured and sterile environment. She has never known the likes of Zaun and the trouble its people face. If she is acting dim it's only because all of this is completely new to her. She probably has never even had to consider the idea of growing up without parents. She's doing her best when transitioning from a silver spoon to underground alley street food.