3:33 I hate to be that guy, but in serum you can right click "fine pitch" on the oscilator and then select chaos 1 or 2 as the mod source. Vital still rules, I just thought i'd mention this
I think Kiloheartz Phaseplant, Arturias Pigments or Reasons Europa are also great alternatives each with some individual twists. Great to see Vital as a free competitor in this space. Peace
very good points here. Serum needs a graphic eq. I'm tired of people saying "you need to hear the sound and not see it." Honestly it's gotta be both. If Serum can upgrade their eq that alone would be a great benefit.
I dont see any advantage in seeing it than that you can move the eq points around in a more free manner. The visual thing doesnt give me anything else.
@@ProWajxxx lol bro if you think analog isn’t better then digital you’re mentally challenged lmao. do you have ears? clearly not 😂 dude tried to do the spongebob meme on something that’s facts not even remotely debatable 😂
Nope, EQ is always a separate bus to that from the instrument otherwise you'll lose control of the holistic audio mix. The outcome will be a clipping, leveling and distortion nightmare!
@@flickeringscreens serum isn't open source, but could use parts of an open source project, not all open source projects requires that branches of it to also be open source. i.e. most frameworks or libraries.
Good points. imo the point 1 isn't an issue, if I need say two osc into two different filters, I'd just use 2 instances of Serum. It's also better for mixing.
I sadly just hate the filters on vital. I cant get them to sound the way i want to. And on serum it does exactly what i would expect. I know that this is just me. But i wonder if anybody else had trouble to adjust to the filters on vital coming from serum.
To me serum sounds crisper and sharp where in vital everything sounds a bit dull, like there's an invisible highcut filter on everything behind the scenes. May very well just be my ignorance though, I haven't used vital much.
It’s light on cpu and have unique sound. But Vital /Serum is a wavetable synth, they are much more capable than classic VST like Sylenth1. Saying that Sylenth1 is my favorite virtual synth
Phaseplant is where its at...just pricey because you need all the snapins but well worth it....the complaint people say that it doesn't have filters don't know how to use slice eq to make any kind of filter you want
Yeah, but Vital is free and awesome as well. (I have the full PhasePlant btw.) And as BigZ states there is no stereo imager in Vital? There is the Stereo modulation?
The key is not the Synth but the EQ. These days just select a synth that fits your workflow. Then focus on EQ - Get none other than SliceEQ - Because NO OTHER can do the same job so easy at present! 👍
The non linear snap in was an improvement. I love phaseplant but it’s modular flexibility can get in the way of creativity sometimes. Take delay as an example. To get the same results as the zebra 2 delay (which is made to sound good as is) you would have to add up to 4 khs delays to a snapheap chain and time pan them all separately. It’s a great synth for really going in on sound design, but you can get results much faster in serum, zebra, hive than phaseplant until you have a nice selection of snapheap or multipass chains saved
@Martin Demsky i have no idea, because i don't use them at all. If you can filter each layer inside your VST, that means that you don't need to make 2-3 vst instead of 1 vst with 2-3 layers
you can use serum's sub osc with direct out button on to divide sub from filtered oscillators. it also possibilty for crazy stereo panning while sub region locked in mono
I know this is two years ago but if you're still alive maybe you can answer this question. Is there a button that I can push to make sure that all the sounds that I'm creating in serum or mono compatible so they'll still sound good in the club....
Well with serum you can just turn the filter on for osc A and B but let the sub osc bypass the filter which essentially does the same as what you're doing by low passing the two higher layers with the second filter
I love Vital as well! Bought it the day it was released. I've never tried Serum though, so can't say anything about it. I also use Arturia Pigments 2 for it's versatility and U-he Diva for virtual analogue stuff.
@@ELLIOT8209 very different instruments. Diva is semi modular, but each module is analog modelled from old analog synths, complete with the limitations of those synths. Zebra is a workhorse all-rounder capable of so much more than Diva. It’s almost an apples to oranges comparison. Zebra is more comparable to phaseplant, or serum.
Nice video, makes it even more enticing coming from someone like yourself who well versed in sound design to begin with. I have it but have not gotten deeper into it yet
About EQ, I understand what you say but IMO it's better using the synth internal EQ just for cutting and using a "Hi-Quality" external EQ for boosting frequencies.
tysm, I got so mad when my serum trial ended and i couldn't afford to buy it. This works very well and some of the sounds I like even better than serum!
Vital has a great concept. Unfortunately i don´t have Serum yet, just because it´s so expensive, but from what i hear on RUclips (Demos and Tutorials), Serum sounds much richer, fatter and clearer to me.
Valid individual points. But overall, to my ears, Serum just inherently sounds better. To me, Vital always has that "beige", cardboardy tonal colour. Serum on the other is bright, clear, vibrant without being harsh... Better oscillators. You can have all the effects and signal routing you want, all the comfort of use you could wish for. But the quality of the oscillators is going to come through regardless of what patch you make. Vital is a great learning platform. But Serum is just better quality imo.
Since Serum and Vital are both digital VSTs, oscillators should sound exactly the same. Not saying you're wrong it what you hear because you probably spent more time in Serum to know what sounds good, but I wouldn't say Vital is a beginner synth because it is essentially more flexible than Serum.
@@cglessman Yeah but this is overlooking the fact that every synth programs their oscillators slightly differently. Just because you can select "saw" or the same wavetable from each synth, no two are exactly alike at their core.
@@cglessman True they are both digital, but the level of anti-aliasing can vary, and so can the algorithm itself. By learning platform I meant that Vital is free, and thus accessible to someone who may not be able to afford Serum -- I don't own Serum myself, I use the demo (no saving of patches and works for 20 minutes). I welcomed Vital when it came out. Then I DLed the Serum demo and tried it, and the difference jumped to my ears within minutes...
@@cglessman I suggest everyone go seek out the interviews with Steve Duda on his creation of serum. You'll learn that his oscillator algorithms were created with the help of an expert. It could be that the special understanding is now out in the public domain, but I doubt it. Now, does it matter in a mix? Can anyone tell the difference in your music? I can't answer that. But I do know that I like the sound quality of serum. But if you get better ideas with vital, that might make up for any sound quality differences....
Yesterday I started messing around with Vital to make a snare and I could see why you need better noise sources! Nevertheless, it's a great synth, and your video is very good also.
Great video “Vital has basically copied the main layout of Serum but just made everything better and easier to use.” I’ve always wondered why over the last eight years, Steve Duda never did this. Why did he never upgrade Serum to 2.0?
Big Z! Appreciating your videos a lot! If I can recommend you a synth with similar capabilities, I'd go with Massive X. It retains some of the advanced intramodulations that Serum has but has a ton of really good features to make warm sounds. I replaced every synth with that one and I know it gets a pretty bad rep but it sounds SO GOOD.
Yes couldn't agree more - the Massive X user interface is a car crash but the sound engine is amazing. Shame really - I just hope NI make the effort to rework the UI at some point.
My main problem with serum is also due to having only one internal filter, it means I can't use both a lowpass with a decay envelope to make pluck sounds out of a sound, while also have it be a rising cutoff future bass chord. This seems like such an obvious thing, it's in fact how most future bass chords are made, but I'm limited to using either or here, and using a volume automation instead. Now you can do that externally, but then it happens after the serum processing, and that's not the sound I'm going for. So I had to move away from using Serum for future bass chords, which is a shame considering how easy it is to automate and lfo everything else.
I still use Serum despite the limitations you talk about because I just think its tonal quality is better. Not streets better than its rivals when it came out, but a few percentage points better
Very cool review of features that matter, thanks! One thing you didn't discuss is sound quality. I'm guessing you find no issue here, but I ask because when serum came out, one of the things that set it apart was sound quality. Steve Duda spent real money working with a math consultant to get the algorithms for the oscillators right so that sounds seem right throughout the frequency spectrum.. It sounds to me like vital has equal sound quality, but I'm wondering if you have any comments about it. Thanks!
Like any relationship, once you're no longer in love, and it's close to the end, you start fighting over the little stuff. Stuff you used to never care about before. Especially after you know you've met someone else and you wanna pursue them instead. This is always the case with justifying new plugins. We start finding things that are "wrong."
Love the kilohearts ecosystem. It got me imagining how cool it’d be if I could do that with any 3rd party plugin, so I switched from cubase to Bitwig studio, and now I don’t have to imagine. It’s a reality for me now
I'm a big fan of BigZ and well, I don't know if this is propaganda or not for the program, but for months now I have used the Serum less precisely because the interface becomes a bit tedious. I was thinking of looking for a new VST and I am going to test it to see how it works.
I still like Serum as an occasional wave-table synth. It's not perfect. I think my main criticism of the synth itself is there's no smoothness between wave-table partials unless you have a lot of waves to scrub through with an envelope.
Oh btw like to mention that technically serum has 3 filters (if the same thing works with vital then i guess that one has 7 filters). By adding distortion on a sound and choosing "X-Shaper" and leaving it on the default it won't distort the sound(it might get a bit quieter tho) but now you can use the low/band/high filter within. I hope some people will find this useful :D
@@StefanvanGestel Yeah i know, but sometimes 2 filters aren't enough. That's why you can use this technique to (technically) have 3 filters :D And yeah i know vital is more flexible with filters this wasn't me trying to say it wasn't or "serum is better" it was just a useful tip and correction to the video
Vital has three oscillators serum only has two I’m sure with other updates vital will get more filters I sold serum what I mostly use though is wave table in live 10 SUITE
When it really comes down to it, if pushed, they are nearly completely different synths that only seem alike at surface level. All day, every day, I do things in each synth that the other cannot do (the LFO automation is outstanding in both, and in very different ways -- that's the biggest night and day difference). Having to put your own EQ at the end of the signal chain very much limits things. Can we just have it so we can add in as many instances of EQ in the FX section? Like if you wanted a half a dozen, ok, just drag an icon from the side 6 times. Would coding that be harder than I might think? I hate Vital's filter drive. Wtf is that. It adds what I EQ out. It hobbles what the filters could be.
Not quite true about having to use the chaos function to randomise pitch in serum, it actually has the same random feature, not used serum in ages but I think it's called random 1 and random 2 which you can assign to pretty much anything
Both eat way too much cpu. It's a great time to be making music though... there's so much good stuff out there for cheap or even free (like Vital) it's insane.
@@briancase6180 Firstly, wrong. Try running 2 separate instances of diva at the same time, see what happens. Secondly, that's like telling someone to buy a villa so they aren't homeless anymore.
Can't believe it is free... so I wanted to be fair with the Creator of Vital and got paid version which is still quite cheap. Serum has work to do. And it is going to be hard to get back lost users. The only thing that can force to come back will be presets packs from Serum.
Serum's filter routing is fundamentally serial; you can't make it parallel by adding more filters. Massive's parallel routing is even better though - you can control how much an oscillator is sending to filter 1 or 2. As for removing the fundamental, you can also do this in the wavetable editor itself; Serum's approach is permanent, Vital's is procedural.
2 questions: 1.) Do you have a Twitter profile? 2.) When you mentioned 3rd party EQ (such as fabfilter) on "Signal Chain", do you mean that it's possible withIN Vital?!?! OR, do you mean adding it to the signal chain of a DAW?
Serum is pricey, but great of course. BUT there are actually a LOT of other synths out there that can definitely compete and some for less. Synthmaster, Pigments, Falcon, etc..... Having said that, this is great! The more the musicaler (yeah, I know it's not a word).
@@Blacktronics Lol that you didn't know what you were talking about, tried to sound smart, then got mad when you were wrong and resorted to weak personal attacks. Good luck with the rest of your life. I have no time for folks like you.
Phaseplant is better than both. That's all I'mma say about that, BUT. They're ALL great. Serum undoubtably paved the way for things like Vital and Phaseplant. It introduced the concept of real-time feedback on so many parts of the UI. If a Serum V2 ever drops, without a doubt, it'll be the king again.
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3:33 I hate to be that guy, but in serum you can right click "fine pitch" on the oscilator and then select chaos 1 or 2 as the mod source. Vital still rules, I just thought i'd mention this
Yeah!
why u hate to be that guy? u just help people with that information.
I think Kiloheartz Phaseplant, Arturias Pigments or Reasons Europa are also great alternatives each with some individual twists. Great to see Vital as a free competitor in this space. Peace
Pigments is boss. Can get quite cpu heavy tho
Phaseplant is amazing, and really my go-to synth for EDM-style synth sounds. It can get pretty dirty and "analog" if needed too.
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very good points here. Serum needs a graphic eq. I'm tired of people saying "you need to hear the sound and not see it." Honestly it's gotta be both. If Serum can upgrade their eq that alone would be a great benefit.
The people who say that are the same people who say that aNaLoG iS mUcH sUpErIoR tO dIGiTaL
I dont see any advantage in seeing it than that you can move the eq points around in a more free manner. The visual thing doesnt give me anything else.
@@TheUnrider For me, it really helps me to work with a compressor where you can see what is it doing
@@ProWajxxx lol bro if you think analog isn’t better then digital you’re mentally challenged lmao. do you have ears? clearly not 😂 dude tried to do the spongebob meme on something that’s facts not even remotely debatable 😂
Nope, EQ is always a separate bus to that from the instrument otherwise you'll lose control of the holistic audio mix. The outcome will be a clipping, leveling and distortion nightmare!
Doesn't serum and vital both use the same open source code for parts of the sound engine?
I'm not sure, I looked up a while ago if you could transfer presets from one to the other and it's a definite no. Maybe some bits are?
Serum is not opensource
@@flickeringscreens serum isn't open source, but could use parts of an open source project, not all open source projects requires that branches of it to also be open source. i.e. most frameworks or libraries.
@@KL-tn1xc ok. makes sense
@@flickeringscreens In other words, serum is not open source, but has been built with open source code.
yeah this is great - long time sylenth and serum user, this swayed me to finally go ahead and pick up/start learning vital. Appreciate it boss!
Good points. imo the point 1 isn't an issue, if I need say two osc into two different filters, I'd just use 2 instances of Serum. It's also better for mixing.
I sadly just hate the filters on vital. I cant get them to sound the way i want to. And on serum it does exactly what i would expect.
I know that this is just me. But i wonder if anybody else had trouble to adjust to the filters on vital coming from serum.
same dont like the GUI, serum is more logic to me
To me serum sounds crisper and sharp where in vital everything sounds a bit dull, like there's an invisible highcut filter on everything behind the scenes. May very well just be my ignorance though, I haven't used vital much.
@mattio
Thanks, I'm going to look more into vital, also because of the points big z made.
Vital simply stepped it up by soooo much by simply adding that second filter section
Am I the only one who is still in love with Sylenth1?
Nope, i'll soon finish my first melodic techno debut album and most of the tracks have sylenth as main sub/lead. Love this synth.
Sylenth1 don't consume memory or cup unlike vital or serum
Lot of Toolroom tracks used Sylenth1
It’s light on cpu and have unique sound. But Vital /Serum is a wavetable synth, they are much more capable than classic VST like Sylenth1. Saying that Sylenth1 is my favorite virtual synth
Phaseplant is where its at...just pricey because you need all the snapins but well worth it....the complaint people say that it doesn't have filters don't know how to use slice eq to make any kind of filter you want
Yeah, but Vital is free and awesome as well. (I have the full PhasePlant btw.)
And as BigZ states there is no stereo imager in Vital? There is the Stereo modulation?
The key is not the Synth but the EQ. These days just select a synth that fits your workflow. Then focus on EQ - Get none other than SliceEQ - Because NO OTHER can do the same job so easy at present! 👍
The non linear snap in was an improvement. I love phaseplant but it’s modular flexibility can get in the way of creativity sometimes. Take delay as an example. To get the same results as the zebra 2 delay (which is made to sound good as is) you would have to add up to 4 khs delays to a snapheap chain and time pan them all separately.
It’s a great synth for really going in on sound design, but you can get results much faster in serum, zebra, hive than phaseplant until you have a nice selection of snapheap or multipass chains saved
Basically you need 2serums with 2EQ to have full bass line, in Vital you can make full bass with 3 layers.
@Martin Demsky i have no idea, because i don't use them at all. If you can filter each layer inside your VST, that means that you don't need to make 2-3 vst instead of 1 vst with 2-3 layers
Steve duda has been working on Serum 2.0 for a year, i hope it comes this year
..did you try parawave Rapid? im sure you gonna like it...it has so much potential..regards
you can use serum's sub osc with direct out button on to divide sub from filtered oscillators.
it also possibilty for crazy stereo panning while sub region locked in mono
I know this is two years ago but if you're still alive maybe you can answer this question. Is there a button that I can push to make sure that all the sounds that I'm creating in serum or mono compatible so they'll still sound good in the club....
Can't wait to hear more of your Vital packs!
Well with serum you can just turn the filter on for osc A and B but let the sub osc bypass the filter which essentially does the same as what you're doing by low passing the two higher layers with the second filter
Great !!Now if you could do a series about this synth would be wonderful
I love Vital as well! Bought it the day it was released. I've never tried Serum though, so can't say anything about it. I also use Arturia Pigments 2 for it's versatility and U-he Diva for virtual analogue stuff.
Yes is 🔥
I can't decide between Diva and Zebra. Still saving up
@@ELLIOT8209 very different instruments. Diva is semi modular, but each module is analog modelled from old analog synths, complete with the limitations of those synths.
Zebra is a workhorse all-rounder capable of so much more than Diva. It’s almost an apples to oranges comparison. Zebra is more comparable to phaseplant, or serum.
@@hazmatproduction4562 which one would you buy if you could only buy one?
@@ELLIOT8209 definitely zebra 2
Sick video man, as always!
Nice video, makes it even more enticing coming from someone like yourself who well versed in sound design to begin with. I have it but have not gotten deeper into it yet
Big Z, i want to really thank you for all you do, all your videos is just really usefull, you're the person, whom i would shake hands with.
Amazing video. Do you still prefer Vital? I see your newer videos use Serum.
About EQ, I understand what you say but IMO it's better using the synth internal EQ just for cutting and using a "Hi-Quality" external EQ for boosting frequencies.
The main issue with having to use an external EQ is that you can’t include it in your synth patch.
tysm, I got so mad when my serum trial ended and i couldn't afford to buy it. This works very well and some of the sounds I like even better than serum!
Vital has a great concept. Unfortunately i don´t have Serum yet, just because it´s so expensive, but from what i hear on RUclips (Demos and Tutorials), Serum sounds much richer, fatter and clearer to me.
Valid individual points. But overall, to my ears, Serum just inherently sounds better. To me, Vital always has that "beige", cardboardy tonal colour. Serum on the other is bright, clear, vibrant without being harsh... Better oscillators. You can have all the effects and signal routing you want, all the comfort of use you could wish for. But the quality of the oscillators is going to come through regardless of what patch you make. Vital is a great learning platform. But Serum is just better quality imo.
Since Serum and Vital are both digital VSTs, oscillators should sound exactly the same. Not saying you're wrong it what you hear because you probably spent more time in Serum to know what sounds good, but I wouldn't say Vital is a beginner synth because it is essentially more flexible than Serum.
@@cglessman Yeah but this is overlooking the fact that every synth programs their oscillators slightly differently. Just because you can select "saw" or the same wavetable from each synth, no two are exactly alike at their core.
@@cglessman True they are both digital, but the level of anti-aliasing can vary, and so can the algorithm itself.
By learning platform I meant that Vital is free, and thus accessible to someone who may not be able to afford Serum -- I don't own Serum myself, I use the demo (no saving of patches and works for 20 minutes). I welcomed Vital when it came out. Then I DLed the Serum demo and tried it, and the difference jumped to my ears within minutes...
@@cglessman I suggest everyone go seek out the interviews with Steve Duda on his creation of serum. You'll learn that his oscillator algorithms were created with the help of an expert. It could be that the special understanding is now out in the public domain, but I doubt it. Now, does it matter in a mix? Can anyone tell the difference in your music? I can't answer that. But I do know that I like the sound quality of serum. But if you get better ideas with vital, that might make up for any sound quality differences....
@@cglessman That's not how any of it works.
Yesterday I started messing around with Vital to make a snare and I could see why you need better noise sources! Nevertheless, it's a great synth, and your video is very good also.
You can actually route serums noises to vitals noise oscillator to get serums noises
YES!
Great video! Objective Approach.
Can you set the fundamental to be constant like you can in Serum?
Awesom !!! Big Thank You sir!!!
Great video “Vital has basically copied the main layout of Serum but just made everything better and easier to use.”
I’ve always wondered why over the last eight years, Steve Duda never did this. Why did he never upgrade Serum to 2.0?
Filters are the reason why im not sure, serum has so many filter types like reverb filters, that i find hard to find in even filter plugins
Well both are useful 🙂
Big Z! Appreciating your videos a lot! If I can recommend you a synth with similar capabilities, I'd go with Massive X. It retains some of the advanced intramodulations that Serum has but has a ton of really good features to make warm sounds. I replaced every synth with that one and I know it gets a pretty bad rep but it sounds SO GOOD.
Yes couldn't agree more - the Massive X user interface is a car crash but the sound engine is amazing. Shame really - I just hope NI make the effort to rework the UI at some point.
Really a nice comparison. Thank you. 👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻
Definitely gonna check dis out, thanks
My main problem with serum is also due to having only one internal filter, it means I can't use both a lowpass with a decay envelope to make pluck sounds out of a sound, while also have it be a rising cutoff future bass chord. This seems like such an obvious thing, it's in fact how most future bass chords are made, but I'm limited to using either or here, and using a volume automation instead. Now you can do that externally, but then it happens after the serum processing, and that's not the sound I'm going for. So I had to move away from using Serum for future bass chords, which is a shame considering how easy it is to automate and lfo everything else.
Serum has two filters, there is one in the fx that works the exact same way as the one you see in the main screen
@@maxking2034 That one has a built in highcut at 16k that you cannot turn off. Not useable I'm afraid.
Hopefully this means more packs for Vital 🙌
I know I’m way to invested in Serum at this point 😆
@@damonomusic I literally just bought serum ouch
Just downloaded it to check it out. It's seems pretty awesome. Especially considering there's a free version.
For me pigments is better serum alternative
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I wonder if Steve Duda is gonna update Serum or do a Serum 2.
I still use Serum despite the limitations you talk about because I just think its tonal quality is better. Not streets better than its rivals when it came out, but a few percentage points better
It is till has unlimited possibilities, he still uses Serum lol
This is quite interesting, but do you think Vital filter quality and choice is on par with the Serum ones?
It's lesser.
Very cool review of features that matter, thanks! One thing you didn't discuss is sound quality. I'm guessing you find no issue here, but I ask because when serum came out, one of the things that set it apart was sound quality. Steve Duda spent real money working with a math consultant to get the algorithms for the oscillators right so that sounds seem right throughout the frequency spectrum.. It sounds to me like vital has equal sound quality, but I'm wondering if you have any comments about it. Thanks!
For Serum you need RandOnNote function in the drop-down menu. Chaos is not good.
Like any relationship, once you're no longer in love, and it's close to the end, you start fighting over the little stuff. Stuff you used to never care about before. Especially after you know you've met someone else and you wanna pursue them instead.
This is always the case with justifying new plugins. We start finding things that are "wrong."
@@jensenraylight8011 completely missed my point.
I went from using ANA (don't know anyone who use it) to Serum and now Vital is my go-to synth. It just offers so much and is so easy to use.
Can confirm ANA is great
I'd love to see what you think of Phaseplant. That is one of the most powerful yet user friendly synths IMO. Its my go to synth now for making sounds.
Love the kilohearts ecosystem. It got me imagining how cool it’d be if I could do that with any 3rd party plugin, so I switched from cubase to Bitwig studio, and now I don’t have to imagine. It’s a reality for me now
@@hazmatproduction4562 yeah I use Bitwig too. It has my favorite work flow.
Not user friendly at all imo
Preciate the content. Can you or will you do a few Vital tutorials please. I need to learn how to make those phat basslines...cheers.
Man I'm using all of em.
Serum, Vital, phaseplant, pigments, massive etc!
Great video. Thanks for introducing me to a new synth!
Haven’t used serum once since I got phaseplant & the khs ultimate bundle.
Now I have Bitwig, I never open phaseplant lol
What about Phaseplant
THANKS ! love this synth
Spot on!
thanx for the explenation. i will take a look at vital ...
I'm a big fan of BigZ and well, I don't know if this is propaganda or not for the program, but for months now I have used the Serum less precisely because the interface becomes a bit tedious. I was thinking of looking for a new VST and I am going to test it to see how it works.
Vital is dope 💓🔥...xfer records under danger 😂😂
Nice video 🔥
I still like Serum as an occasional wave-table synth. It's not perfect.
I think my main criticism of the synth itself is there's no smoothness between wave-table partials unless you have a lot of waves to scrub through with an envelope.
Can Jou make cherry moon tracks with serum or vital ?
Oh btw like to mention that technically serum has 3 filters (if the same thing works with vital then i guess that one has 7 filters). By adding distortion on a sound and choosing "X-Shaper" and leaving it on the default it won't distort the sound(it might get a bit quieter tho) but now you can use the low/band/high filter within. I hope some people will find this useful :D
yeah but in Serum you can also just add an extra filter in the fx page. You cannot put it individually on any oscillator though.
@@StefanvanGestel Yeah i know, but sometimes 2 filters aren't enough. That's why you can use this technique to (technically) have 3 filters :D
And yeah i know vital is more flexible with filters this wasn't me trying to say it wasn't or "serum is better" it was just a useful tip and correction to the video
What do you think of vital vs pigments?
Yeah All we need is a u-he HIVE2
Right?
For me that's true. Vital takes too much of cpu
I made the switch recently as well. Cant say i miss serum all too much Vital does exactly what I need it to do
Vital has three oscillators serum only has two I’m sure with other updates vital will get more filters I sold serum what I mostly use though is wave table in live 10 SUITE
This is the information short of mentioning Serum is created from Steve Duda. Great video I’m going to subscribe.
When it really comes down to it, if pushed, they are nearly completely different synths that only seem alike at surface level. All day, every day, I do things in each synth that the other cannot do (the LFO automation is outstanding in both, and in very different ways -- that's the biggest night and day difference).
Having to put your own EQ at the end of the signal chain very much limits things. Can we just have it so we can add in as many instances of EQ in the FX section? Like if you wanted a half a dozen, ok, just drag an icon from the side 6 times. Would coding that be harder than I might think?
I hate Vital's filter drive. Wtf is that. It adds what I EQ out. It hobbles what the filters could be.
Yeah you are gonna want to look at Phaseplant
I have sylenth and massive . So I should not buy serum and just master vital ?
Phase plant is a beast of a synth.
Plus you can import the dope serum wavetables into vital!
Preach! I love vital and this video got you the sub
Try Phase Plant by Kilohearts
Serum being able to module LFO points is a pretty big deal to me, that Vital doesn't have (at least that I've seen).
Not quite true about having to use the chaos function to randomise pitch in serum, it actually has the same random feature, not used serum in ages but I think it's called random 1 and random 2 which you can assign to pretty much anything
Both eat way too much cpu. It's a great time to be making music though... there's so much good stuff out there for cheap or even free (like Vital) it's insane.
Man, just get an M1 Mac. You won't be worrying about CPU anymore....
@@briancase6180 Firstly, wrong. Try running 2 separate instances of diva at the same time, see what happens. Secondly, that's like telling someone to buy a villa so they aren't homeless anymore.
@@briancase6180 Or upgrade the CPU. Wayy cheaper than buying mac
Duda is cooking up some stuff. Believe me.
Very cool. Definitely gonna try vital. I wonder if serum would release a new version.
Are the presets good? Normally I only like a hand full of presets from any synth.
I use both
My 2 go to's are vital & phaseplant. Looking at maybe adding pigments to that in the future!
Pigments v4 is a beast!
Great feedback :)
Can't believe it is free... so I wanted to be fair with the Creator of Vital and got paid version which is still quite cheap. Serum has work to do. And it is going to be hard to get back lost users. The only thing that can force to come back will be presets packs from Serum.
and also vital is free that's incredible
with serum you can remove the fundamental, effectively doing the same thing as having two filters.
It can be done in vital aswell but maybe he hasn't figured it out yet
@@MIDNIGHTCVLT great stuff, yeah i don't really like this mans tutorials. he always picks the difficult route to a outcome, or just plain wrong.
Serum's filter routing is fundamentally serial; you can't make it parallel by adding more filters. Massive's parallel routing is even better though - you can control how much an oscillator is sending to filter 1 or 2. As for removing the fundamental, you can also do this in the wavetable editor itself; Serum's approach is permanent, Vital's is procedural.
@@MIDNIGHTCVLT It begs the question of why bother with Vital if you can already do it with Serum.
@@shitmandood vital has different warp modes which are super cool and since it's free its always an option
we live in extra spoiled times with music hardware and software when stuff like this is posted lol.
Perfect 🔥
2 questions:
1.) Do you have a Twitter profile?
2.) When you mentioned 3rd party EQ (such as fabfilter) on "Signal Chain", do you mean that it's possible withIN Vital?!?! OR, do you mean adding it to the signal chain of a DAW?
because you get another sponsor :D
Make a beat with vital 💯🙏🏽
Serum is pricey, but great of course. BUT there are actually a LOT of other synths out there that can definitely compete and some for less. Synthmaster, Pigments, Falcon, etc..... Having said that, this is great! The more the musicaler (yeah, I know it's not a word).
Vital lost me with the filters and effects. I actually started with Vital and used it for quite a while, but once I got Serum I never went back.
Vital came out basically yesterday, i'm not sure how you used it for "quite a while", nobody has really.
@@Blacktronics You seem confused. Vital was released in November of 2020. If that's "basically yesterday" for you, cool.
@@griffinmpc8144 yeah that was a little over a year ago lol
If you started with vital and switched to serum you've not been around long haha
@@Blacktronics Lol that you didn't know what you were talking about, tried to sound smart, then got mad when you were wrong and resorted to weak personal attacks. Good luck with the rest of your life. I have no time for folks like you.
Have both. 🤷♂️
Sure the features might be dope but what about the quality of sound, serum is able to produce top quality sounds
this is what I'm wondering too.
define top quality sound?
So you think Vital can’t produce top quality sound? I would suggest, try it! It’s free :)
I agree in 100% !
Phaseplant is better than both. That's all I'mma say about that, BUT. They're ALL great. Serum undoubtably paved the way for things like Vital and Phaseplant. It introduced the concept of real-time feedback on so many parts of the UI. If a Serum V2 ever drops, without a doubt, it'll be the king again.
you can get a serum looking skin for vital if youre missin the green :D
Just wait 'till he hears about Phaseplant...