Found our problem! It’s bad.
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- Опубликовано: 2 сен 2021
- 1968 Dodge Dart drag car. Drag racing my 68 Dodge Dart we started seeing slow e.t. Times. After trying to find the issue in the last video we found it at the drag strip in this video. Small block mopar. Mopar drag car. Mopar 360
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The fact that you had timing problems makes me wonder if your distributor gear got worn and pieces off of went thru the bearings causing your pressure problem…
My thoughts exactly. All it would take is a to have a bronze gear with a cam that needs a steel gear.
Well that sucks! However with every car problem if you throw enough money at it it will eventually go away! Good luck!
Thanks for giving me my Mopar fix for the day!
💸 screw it! 😬🙃👍🏻
@@SimpsonsSpeedShop I know it's not the same but I took my 20 year old truck up island last week on a loging road and when I got back on pavement my truck had a few new sounds so now after a new exhaust system and some new front end suspension parts and a couple of grand later it drove like it came from the dealership so good infact that I spurged and got her a new set of tires! All ready for winter now!
When will you be pulling out the engine? At this point are you thinking rebuild? Replace? Upgrade to bigger?
@@kevinroberts7521 engine will be out shortly. Then it stroker time. Get ready for spring
Good reminder to take an Oil sample after every race, best $15 spent.
Things happen for a reason, look forward to the next phase of this project ✌️
Yes. Lots of lesson learners here
Love the channel and looking forward to a new adventure that I’m sure you will bring us on.
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When you can drive it home & turn it off with the key, it's a pretty good bad day ;) Now get to work. We need speed!!! :p
Oh man, that's terrible! Hopefully you can save some stuff. Glad you caught it before it got even worse. Best of luck!
I once knew a guy who built a nice 410. Same sort of problem. Lost oil pressure after a few months. Found out the chamfer on the crank journals didnt match the chamfer on the bearings. Didnt notice at assembly. Motor turned over easily at the right specs. But after 3 months it overheated and damaged the bearing and lost oil pressure, Never knocked once. Lost of power. Went 10.7s in the 1/4 once then struggled to get under the 11.50s then11.70s, then 12s. New igniton new carbs. Nothin. Then on the way home on the highway lost oil pressure. Got it fixed and went racing again. Twisted the input shaft off the "build 727" and oiled the whole track. The car was valiant pacer ( australia) Looks the same as your car just blue. Nice sounding engine though.
That engine went through a lot, been good to you all that time. Now your ready for the Stroker. I hope Your Cam and Lfters are in great shape, i am on 5th month waiting for a Camshaft. it seems like 4 months is the new normal for parts
Can’t wait for the 408 bro. Love the channel
Keep the vids coming with updates and shit. 🤙🏼👍🏼
You know it👍🏻👍🏻
I love the darts. Engines do not change themselves so if you had timing trouble that should have been a red flag.
That stinks!
Very sorry that happened.
You got this.
Look forward to the rebuild.
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That is bad, gear on the oil pump drive is likely chewed causing the timing issue, and all that metal powder goes through the system destroying bearings. Glad you caught it now before catastrophic failure
Ya glad to catch when we did.
@@griffittsgarage All kinds out there now, bronze gears are almost obsolete
Damn... I’m sorry to see this brother! Stay positive!
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Sorry to see what you’ve discovered. It happens to all of us time to time. And it always gives us an opportunity to come back better. My last bad experience was two fold. Detonation took the ring land off one of my pistons (no damage to the head fortunately) and the oil pickup cracked and dropped oil pressure to drop off to zero. Resulting in spun bearings as well as cap walk which “widened” the register in the cap saddle.
I did rebuild it. New crank, pistons with less compression and a hydraulic roller cam setup.
You’ll be back. No doubt!
I’m looking forward to seeing your success story in the future.
Go get em buddy 😉👍
👍🏻👍🏻👍🏻 on it!
DANG it , first I noticed you parked Way too close to the Chevy competition ! Then I noticed every time you were trying to back your car it's so beautiful people were just holding you up ! LOL well it is almost fall so now you've got plenty of time to tear it apart , hope you take us along!
Will do bro! Thanks for watching should be a good winter 😅
Brother seeing that oil filter hurt. I have been there and I honestly feel for you. My 340 Duster I built experienced a failure similar to what you have going on. But on the bright side, that was my motivation to go all out.
R&R speed shop did a full balance and blue print,.30 over, 11 to 1 compression, H-beam rods, W2 heads ( big pain because of the custom valve train, intake, headers, etc) only because I got a deal on a complete upper end package. Anyway, it gives you the chance to do all those , I wish I would haves.
The platform that you run is fantastic, incredible looking car and I truly enjoy watching your videos. I look forward to seeing the new build and getting to follow along.
Thanks bro. Ya great time to upgrade on the bright side
Been there myself. Big time bummer, but hang in there. Love the channel.
Hangin in don’t worry 😉 thanks for watching
oh no.... That's brutal to see in a oil filter. Looks like a lot of people are giving you advice and opinions. So I will just say good luck!! And I hope it's not near as bad as that filter looks! Once again great job filming at the track. Yall always get the good shots of the cars and the audio comes out awesome!
Thanks. My girlfriend does all the filming at the track. She is a champ. Thanks for watching more to come soon
@@SimpsonsSpeedShop Yall make a great Team!
I know it sucks for you ….with all the motor changing’ and stuff…..but as a guy who sits out by the pool having a beer and watching……this doesn’t get any better……can’t wait til she’s back!!!!!!!!
I’m really curious what happened inside.
When you take her down, can you let’s us know some details about the bottom end? Oil pump type, pan, bearings etc…
Thats a beautiful car I love the color! Looking forward to seeing it with the new stroker!
Hell ya brother! Thanks for watching
Dude its clear this has been eating you up. Finally some closure Two things i gota say. In racing the highs are high but the lows man.... its the lows that separate the men from the boys. It can get tough no doubt. And second the bottom end was my first thought on the issue. New heads etc poundin out the horsepower it was the weak link. And good thing you ended the day it could have blown up the next pass and that can ruin your day. Rebuild go faster 🤘
340's had a front cam bearing loss of pressure under acceleration ..the fix was a hard line plumbed from the oil galley in the rear up to the top of that bearing through the lifter valley ..also the oil to the cam chain is gravity fed out 2 casting holes at the front of the block in the valley ..so no oil under hard acceleration ..they get enlarged to solve
Yes I have seen this mod and will have it done on new build. Thanks!
@@SimpsonsSpeedShop I’ve done it mate, works a treat.
what if its a small block mopar with oil thru push rods, do those need this mod also? thanks
@@rayhope7957 yes, all small block mopars really need this mod if your gonna push it at all for anything. It’s was a poor design overall but there is a fairly easy fix. I think there are a couple videos on youtube showing how to make this mod
It wasn’t just the 340’s that had this problem man, it was all Mopar small blocks
Oh Man...!! new block coming?? Had fun in the 70s at Avilla 1/8 mile strip..nice Dart there..
👍🏻 new build for sure
Oh man that’s a bummer, I feel for you mate. Oh well now you can go for more power! 😁
You know. Great excuse for a stroker
Well that sux… If it had to happen at least it happened on the back end of your race season..Get some funds together and build a bad ass 408 and come out swinging next season…I’ll be tuned in and watch how things go for sure…🤟👊
Hell ya brother 408 time 😬😅😬
That really sucks and that's a lot of shinny stuff in that filter! Glad ya made it home in one piece.
I wonder if some of that is from the distributor gear or the gear on the cam, if not both.🤔🤔
It’s barring material for sure. It will come apart tho so we will see.
Well that sucks. Hopefully you'll find the problem and there is no major damage. Good luck!
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Ah man what a bummer
I feel for you keep us posted
Will do. Thanks for watching
So sorry to see what happened. I've got a 408 in my Valiant. Perhaps it will work out for you.Will be interesting to see what actually gave out. Carnage is never pretty but you always learn something from it. (From the 6 million dollar man...."We can rebuild him. Better...stronger...faster")
Yea we will rebuild. Better stronger faster. Thansk for watching
Sorry to see that problem with the motor. Quick way to check the distributor gear is to turn the rotor, excessive movement will show right away
I was visiting up from Kitimat hanging out with Todd and the green bastard . Very nice car man .
Nice 👍🏻 nice 👍🏻
Hey bud I left comment earlier yea dana adds weight ive got 69 super bee...67 satellite 64 plymouth fury every one of those cars has Dana's the thing is you can't hardly hurt them....thats why I like them...and you know with race car your going to break something....keep doing what you do the car is awesome...
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So this needs to be a 408 next. That would be a major ET reducer for you. Unfortunately that material has gone through your lifters so they need to be rebuild/replaced. Best of luck to you!
408 coming
Give that car the Hemi it deserves LOL, it's so clean and set up mean! Either that or a big inch wedge motor :D
UGH ! that sucks man ! sorry to hear that.... but kinda cant wait till you get it apart and find out what happened
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Ive had a buddys 440 just stopped pumpin pressure.... he changed the oil pump and got lucky, it still drives on.... that oil filter didnt look too good tho.... i feel for ya man
Wish I would have found your channel before today brother and I could have saved you a bit of time and chasing your tail cause I’ve got a 360 out here that did the same thing. For some reason, mine started eating distributor gears and it did the same exact thing.
Are we gonna be building twin 408’s now brother? I’m really sorry this has happened buddy, it really sucks but I hope you can dig in and recover from it quicker than I can right now! Hang in there buddy, you’ll get her back better than ever!!
Hahha hell ya 408 bros! Plans are already laid!! Thanks for watching 👍🏻👍🏻👍🏻
Sorry to hear that, I guess the first clue was oil pressure and changing to a heavier weight oil didn't fix. Interested what you see when it's on the engine stand.
Yes for sure. Thanks for watching
Damn! Sorry to hear that> Might have to build that stroker motor soon
You know it
Sorry to see your problem. Hopefully nothing major. You might want to do the oiling mod to the block from the rear main gallery to the front main .Solves the oil starvation problem. Did it to my 340 and my W2 360 stroked to 408 never had a problem. Good luck!
Yes next motor will def have improved oiling
Mods. Thanks for watching
I had a 351 ford clevo that would lose oil pressure and power when you got on it.turns out it was a worn distributor gear.keep ya head up bro.
Head still up bro! Moving forward 👍🏻
I'd noticed a year ago when you had video in car. Can CLEARLY see oil psi drop off as soon as it launched and stayed low most the run. Then came back up once off the gas. My 340 did that until I got a quality baffled deep sump oil pan. After that no more oil psi drop on launch. Guarentee that slosh has hurt the lower end.
Yep 👍🏻
She was going so well. Its a car guys version of a nightmare. In no time you will plotting and planning a come back. Bigger and badder i got the feeling.
Ups amd downs. We will rebuild better. You know it
Sorry about your motor problem I'm watching closely I'm wanting to do something similar I'm to a 67 dart
Street car track car.. sorry to hear this. But i still have that 67 back halfed dart with the race 340 with W2s only started it once . Hooker big tubes dana 60 , 488s spool , disc brakes ladder bars coil overs. Aluminum work in. But open storage its needs a through cleaning . Car needs clesning.
It was a new fuel system . Every thing looks crudy moistue carries junks then sits . Maybe this fall I'LL clean it all up and put in the shipping container.. HELL I'm getting to old to get er done. . But i still need to clean it up. Bust of luck on minor repairs.
Hi You may want to pull your distributor and the drive gear. Check to see if the end is Broken or chewed up. There is a spring and ball bearing in the oil pump the spring may have Broken. Good luck
👍🏻 the entire motor will be stripped right down thanks for watching
If the spring in the oil pump breaks the ball bearing will drop and cause low to 0 oil pressure its like a safety so you don't get so much that you blow your gaskets out of your engine.
Are you running a solid roller cam in your engine is so wondering did you use a bronze gear for the distribter. Drive.
No bronze gear not required
I am dying to know the CAUSE.. The issue with the timing backing down is strange. Maybe the wrong dizzy gear for the cam?? One eating the other??
Wow《☆》The drive home totally blind sided me Bro◇¿.Substandard parts are definitely an issue these days. It's hard to get information online where the prices are so tempting. Stay Strong my friend😎🎱☮🔊🖖👍
I know right. Thanks bro will. On bright side, stroker time. 👍🏻😬
BDOG, you surely hit on a major problem today. Not just the automotive industry. It's in just about everything. I'm an electrician. You can't find a box that is square or fittings that just don't fit. It really sucks.
Long winded, sorry.
You make an extremely valid point.
@@jhammy444 《☆》It was becoming a problem in the aviation industry before I retired in 2016. Bean counters want to get the most bang for the buck🖖😁
I remember years back, when we were running LMS (oval) we kept burning up bearings. We eventually pinned it down to the oil not returning quickly enough. It stayed all in the heads and obviously the right head more so as it was an oval track car. I realize this is a different animal but it's something I think you should at least look at.
Best of luck bro!
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@@SimpsonsSpeedShop People do talk about Hi vol pumps sucking the sump dry but this should have happened before or even on the dyno? Its a shit sandwich not matter what.
@@1080sucks yeh the only way I would use a high volume oil pump is if I was running a dry sump.
many years ago....like in the late 1970's....we circle tracked a 6cyl Gremlin.....i know.....I KNOW!!! BUT it was cheap...anyway...we kept doing the same thing....blowing up the bottom end......until one day it didnt....0_o.....finally figured out that we had accidentally put an extra quart of oil in it....and that solved that problem thereafter.....lol had the bungee cord around the shifter to keep it in 3rd and some other good stuff going on.....it wasnt fast, but it stopped blowing up....LOL we actually won a couple races good times....
@@ssnerd583 I actually like the gremlin!! There’s a badass little gremlin in Ohio I believe and it’s bout the same burgundy/wine color as the Dart and if your not careful, he’s gonna send you straight back to the trailer!! Lol , it’s a damn nice car tho, just like this dart but I guess you’ve gotta like the weird ones tho
Damn bro, that sucks. Stick with it, seriously consider going 4”stoke crank.
I love how you drive to the track, that’s the way it would be done!!!
There are a couple great forms on line about some wicked small block Dodge bottom end oiling mods, I can look em back up if you need
Yes oil mods will be done. And a 4” crank 😉
I was going to suggest cutting the oil filter open but you beat me to the punch. The bearings looked cooked. Do you run a rear sump pan? Milodon type with the drag link tube. That's what I ran in my Super Stock Duster. It also had the straight sump pickup that went directly down from the pump. I actually still have the whole pump and pickup from my racing days. I don't have the pan anymore.
Center sump pan. Stock shape. That’s sounds like a good set up you had 👍🏻👍🏻👍🏻
@@SimpsonsSpeedShop use the milodon 7 qt. center sump. the rear sump might hang too low for a street car unless the torsion bars are most of the way up.the milodon hangs about an inch below the crossmember on my 74 cuda along with the TTI headers.use the crossover tube and polish up the lifter galley.
Joseph...I'm an old pontiac guy but I Love any brand . your car is something 2 be proud of...BTW..you drive it to the track ?
Yep drive there, race, drive home!
This is just a new chance at making it a lot better. A peek at the mains and rods will be the deciding factor.
Yep thanks for watching
My car was leaving weird. I blocked it up to 3000. And the whole driver side would lift up about 2 feet.And when I let up on the gas it drops back down. The weld broke on the passenger side spring perch. And the rearend was twisting. Thats a first for me.LOL My budy has 2 69 darts he might sell one . It needs built.
I had a 318 get weak one time and I rebuilt it. Put it back in and it only lasted 20 minutes. The torque converter was bad and it beat all the bearings out of the brand new engine. Just a thought, if plan on reusing your converter send it out and have it checked.
Everything will be checked for sure thanks for watching
There’s a great video that Steve Magnante did with his ‘67 dart. He swapped a Dana 60 in from an 8 3/4 at the track in an hour and a half. And ran it again.
Yes I have seen it. Great vid thanks for watching
Not a good feeling when we find metal particulates in the oil filter. Very sad, but maybe time for a Hemi...
Bro... That Dana is the shit. I'm buying one for my 451 stroker powered Dakota.
👍🏻👍🏻👍🏻 Check the install vids. Go over it show all the goods
This sucks, on the bright side, you can get that forged stroker kit now and plan some future full of nitrous 😎
I saw that Scat stroker kits were available from Summit or JEGS…
Good luck!
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Sorry man. I am going through the exact same thing with a 440 that I now have a shit ton of money in.
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Yep, have about $20k invested in my 440/512, going to get it on the Dyno Thursday. Making me nervous with your video. It's amazing the amount of money a person can get wrapped up in just an engine.
That thing sounds so good
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@@SimpsonsSpeedShop yeah but it'll sound just as good when he gets her done
@@SimpsonsSpeedShop build a 440 man I had one in my 69 Coronet RT old man that thing Torquay or was good
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Man that sucks I hate to hear you have in troubles but you will get it back going you da man do work son
You know it bro! On it
Dana 60 is ~40 pounds heavier but more efficient. Most people find their car has the same or slightly better ET after a swap.
order your parts now. hopefully you"ll get them by feb. or march.definetly do the oil crossover.
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My car has the Dana 60, and I would not choose any other rear end
It’s the bottom end at least that’s what i think it’s a race car ther gonna break once I. A while plus you also drive it on the street so they take a beating but she was going good till whatever the problem is now you will make it faster yet hope it’s not to bad good luck good videos
👍🏻 thanks bro
I honestly think its time for a trailer. All those street miles seem to be taking a toll on the motor and transmission.
Bummer though half , more than half the fun is driving ! Idk ur probably right but dang it , now I'm bummed !
@@mikesr3407 how many miles is it from home to track and back? But really tho, if you’ve got good oil pressure and your not running hot, then you shouldn’t be causing enough wear to cut life short like this. Just my experience tho from driving street/strip cars. I had a 66 barracuda with a built 340 back in the late 80’s and I was daily driving it and running it on the weekends and it held up fine for both
@@1982MCI yeah he's eluded to stroking this engine and driving it as long as he can but ! Wait a minute , where's he going to put trailer ?
Might have wiped a bearing but I'm not sure.
No 60 ft?
Stroker, more head work, ET drop. BTW, Hughes Engines has a coated steel gear that won't wear out like bronze.
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Good time for a stroker?
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That oil filter didn't look good Sorry to see that happen.
Just noticed some one before me has the same idea something to cosider
It's just a guess... It may have started with the thrust bearing and went down hill from there... When you take it apart.. check the flexplate for cracks... When you are footbraking at stall speed the line pressure will force the converter forward... Man I hate it for ya... It sux forsure!
Good tips. Thanks bro. Bummer for sure but hey, good excuse for a new build 😅
Great info Andy.👍
Man that sucks hopefully the damage is not really bad but running low on oil pressure is not good on anything. something wore out and caused it but that engine should've lasted longer than that you hardly made many passes on it.
Given the fact that your timing won’t hold, I’m guessing the distributor gear is getting chewed up.
You could be right
@@SimpsonsSpeedShop X2 on this !! Were you running a bronze distributor gear ? That's a billett solid roller in there correct ?
@@Torquemonster440 no bronze gear. Not required on this comp cam
Hmm.. ok.. hydraulic roller ?
That sucks 😕 come back better and faster!
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Well shit. That sucks man.
I know ya don't feel lucky right now but your have horseshoes somewhere....That engine lost 8 pounds oil pressure on the dyno. Something in the top, cam bearings or lifters are not getting enough oil, bleeding off some how. Don't leave us hanging I need to know what happened. And besides those Heads need more cubes anyway. 👍
Ouch! that stinks!
Yes. But good time for upgrades
That sucks man. Time to stroke that thing!!!
You know it bro. One door closes. One door opens
Pretty short track
this is the very reason I don`t drive my car to the track on race day anymore.....
One day I’ll stop. But not yet. New motor time
@@SimpsonsSpeedShop I decided to trailer the car to the track after spinning a rod bearing on the way home from the track..... good luck with your build
@@SimpsonsSpeedShop how many miles is it from home to the track offhand ?
Time to work a little over-time? ;-)
Yes.
Steve Magnante did a drag test Dana vs 8 3/4 in his personal 67 Dart GT, you might want to look it up
It's ok Raymond he's officialy going to run the Dana and mail me 8:75
Wow that sux. Keep us posted on what's going on. Sorry man........
Yep will keep posted and big things coming thanks bro
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We can rebuild it .... better , stronger, faster. ( cue 6 million dollar man theme music) cha na na na na 😊