It ends the way it started, with Kendall set-up & eager to inherit the crown only for the rug to be pulled out from under him in the 4th quarter. Poetic, but tragic. Kendall is truly one of the greatest tragic characters I’ve ever seen.
*Tragicomic, at times, as he's evidently not well equipped to be the CEO (it's been shown time and time again) and was just trying to appear as a poor imitation of his dad on some misguided quest for recognition from Logan even after his death. They didn't really give him the high degree of dignity that a fully tragic character has, at most they make us pity him. He's a very flawed man who's often unlikable and ridiculous but also hurt, just like his siblings. He simply tried (and failed) to get that CEO position more times than the other two.
Can we get a standing ovation for the score throughout the episode please, Kendall looking out over to the Statue of Liberty with that background score.
Notice how in the "meal fit for a king scene", Roman and Shiv prepare Kendall's 'coronation' drink and right before he takes it, Shiv spits in it. Clever bit of foreshadowing.
This feeling'll probably pass, but right now, I'm at a point that I can't see myself watching this show again. I never expected a happy ending, but this was even more upsetting than I thought it was gonna be. It was a very fitting ending, but man, is it hard to watch.
You’re all back here rewatching this show less than 24 hours later while you claim to not want to ever see again, just saying you’re not serious people.
Two things that stand out to me 1. Ken’s buy off of Colin bites him in the ass in the most poetic way. Followed by his past at his lowest point. 2. Everyone always remembers “You’re not a killer. You have to be a killer.” But nobody remembers what he said right after “but nowadays maybe you don’t, I don’t know.” I think Tom becoming CEO doesn’t prove he’s a “killer” like Logan would say, it proves Logan’s whole worldview is at best, outdated. You can be a lapdog all the way to the top, which is exactly what Tom did. He didn’t win the “big dick competition” with Mattson. He pretty much said yeah man I’ll even let you fuck my wife if you want just let me be CEO.
@@havok6280 at the very least, it would still mean there are multiple ways to be a “killer” and one of them is by being a hell of a lot more subservient to mattson than Logan was. But it’s more than that, Logan says somewhere in season I think the family therapy episode that Tom was fathoms beneath Shiv. He thought Tom was a nothing, and so did shiv, and so did we as an audience at that point. But Tom’s brand of spineless-ness works bc the most powerful men are always looking for a lapdog.
@@havok6280 he is not I am very well aware of the point he is a puppet not a killer you brought the mother into the conversation the reason he backstabbed her is cause she was doing that to him all along I don’t think he would have backstabbed her if she showed him a little respect.
Season 4 is the best season of the show, one of my favorite seasons ever. And it managed to accomplish that without the brilliant main character. Somehow the show even got better. And then it also managed to stuck the landing. I can't think of another show who did all of this as successfully as this one. It truly deserves S-tier.
And everyone lived miserably ever after. Once the siblings were having fun it was clear that was the nail in the coffin. I did laugh hard at the "which? Like you killed so many people you can't remember which one?" Because Roman wasn't even trying to be a jerk that time.
I agree that if the show ended with all three siblings backing each other and Kendall being the crowned the "king" it would have felt off/fake/inauthentic. We always want our favorite shows to end with everything tied up in a nice bow, but that's not always what is best for the show. This felt more real and more true to the characters we've seen for the past four years. Succession remained a tragedy right till the end, though I do think Roman might finally find some happiness.
It seems like the water with Kendal symbolizes the whole lifestyle he’s been chasing, his father’s life. Sometimes it nearly drowned him, sometimes he could float, but in the end he can’t have it and can only spectate behind the guard rail. He can never have it.
S3E6 foreshadowed this. Tom told Ken "my hunch is that you're going to get fcked. Because I've seen you get fcked a lot. And ive never seen Logan get fcked once." Fast forward to S4 and Tom gives Shiv a scorpion as a gift. S4E10, Roman calls Shiv and Kendall scorpions. The writers alluded to us that Shiv and Kendall would go after each other and Kendall would get fcked. Besides, Succession is a tragedy. Can't have a happy ending in a tragedy.
Man this show hurts. You really want to root for these terrible people. And it felt SO GOOD when they were working together. Also - Shiv literally became her mom. She got mommed. What a circle. Roman in the first episode, mocked how he hated the company. Final episode? He's the only one happy.
In the second episode of the 1st season, Kendall is talking to his siblings about the fate of the company while Logan is hospitalized. He says to Roman, 'I love you man, but you are not a serious person.' They MUST have purposely brought that dialogue into the final season as a full circle moment right or is it just me? We really knew the outcome from the beginning.
You said exactly what I was thinking when you were like "Colin, get ready" as Kendall approached the edge of the water Also extremely relatable that you were just like miserable and shell shocked for the last like ten mins of the reaction, big same
Once again the Roy kids proving how much they are *not* serious people. What a fitting end for this tragedy! Fantastic show! I'm gonna miss it so much.👏🏽👏🏽👏🏽
Love how all the siblings get their unhappy yet appropriate endings. Roman's back to being a rich nobody, Kendall will never live up to his dad's reputation, Shiv is doomed to be in a loveless marriage with a corporate man (just like her mother). Absolutely incredible finale that fills you full of hope only to yank it away in true Succession fashion.
I don’t know if Roman’s ending is unhappy. He escaped a cycle of abuse that would have had him be Kendall’s whipping dog just as we was Logan’s before. He also had an epiphany about how meaningless their desires were and how small they themselves were. In the end he’s rich and free from the onus success and struggle, drinking at a bar looking relieved. I think out of the three he’s the only one that has a contented future ahead of him, even if it is being a nobody. I think he’s okay with that now.
@@samfinbury3805 it's not an epiphany cause he *always* knew he -as well as his family - wasn't sh*t, he just wasted his time. He isn't free cause he has absolutely no idea how to function without someone cracking the whip, which is why he gravitates towards abusive environments and people. He always had the option of being disgustingly rich yet uninvolved in the business, like Connor, yet he feels the compulsion to place himself in these situations. Even after Logan's death he chose to stick with Kendall. The cycle of abuse doesn't stop when an abusive situation ends, but when the emotional damage is healed. What's the advantage of knowing you're troubled if you're clueless as to how to help yourself? It's absolutely an unhappy ending, but he has a chance...they all do, honestly.
@@SweetJeopardy disagree. Roman is the only one who got his HEA. He always wanted to get the deal done to please daddy, because that's what Logan had wanted. He came to his epiphany in the board meeting fight that they don't deserve to run the company. He'll find an older Domme at a BDSM club and be just fine. He was the only one of the 3 smiling at the end for a reason
I completely agree with your points. I can never watch that finale again it was far too painful. I think we knew the forces against Kendall, shiv would never let him win. But for both of the sibs to say what they said to break him there is no turning back in the relationships I would never speak to my siblings again if they were this way.
Luckily for Tom, it feels like he's over whatever trance Shiv had him in. He still has basic biological jealousy, but I doubt it bothers him the way it would have a couple seasons ago.
@Jimmy Macram Right on the nose man. Their child will grow up in the most toxic of environments. Would say good thing this is only a show, but this type of shit happens in reality too.
@@JimmyMacram See, judging by their last scene I don't think Tom will ever be rid of Shivs trance cause he could've walked away if he had any self-respect... He just *loves* the cache of being attached to the Roy name and money more than anything, more than he ever loved her if we're being real. He's so deeply insecure about his social status and the way he's gotten to the top has only reinforced these beliefs. He does seem to have accepted his faith as a perpetual a$$ kisser tho.
That mucks up Christmas is a fantastic line! Caroline, truly a hidden gem for the show, along with Karolina wanting to get rid of backstabbing, starting with planting seed of axing Hugo, 😂
I looove Jimmy's reactions! Gonna miss that as much as the show. I kinda felt like Roman And Shiv (especially Roman) wanted out and felt the only way to do it was to torpedo Kendall's chance. Now, they have to figure out their lives without the succession hanging over their head. I'm glad Greg got a slap in, though. I feel like I was on a emotional Rollercoaster as well but noone died.. just woww. It was a rough watch, for real
I will definitely be watching this finale multiple times. I absolutely LOVED it. I know it was hard, and I know that the fight at the end was particularly icky, but it ended exactly how it should end. I'm so glad that Shiv brought up the waiter. That needed to be addressed and it had to have some kind of consequence. Also Roman got it! He understood what his dad said about them. They're not serious people. Aka, they're all bullshit! I love it so much. It's so fucking good!!!
I think Roman went in to hurt himself but Kendall shouldn't have gone with it. He chose to continue Romans cycle of abuse because it would benefit him.
I've seen comments about how shocking it was for Kendall to attack Roman, but I was far more shocked by the scene where he purposefully opened up Roman's stitches. Repugnant. Total abuser tactic, designed to make him obediant in the way Logan used to. It's made even more shocking by the fact that Kendall used to defend him from Logan. Savage finale all around. It's gonna be a while before HBO puts out something as good as Barry or Succession. I'm sad to see both shows go, but glad they ended well.
You misunderstood the scene, roman complained his stitches looked too good and he didn’t want to present himself in that way to the board. He basically begged Ken to put up the farce that he got more hurt than he actually did to justify to others regarding him stepping down from the ceo position. As ken said, roman knows he doesnt deserve it but he cant say it
I think Shiv would never be CEO (not only for being a woman) but because she is always changing sides due circumstances she betrayed everyone since season one (doing campaign for her Dad enemy and then changing when her Dad offered her the succession) she continued to do that for 4 seasons (remember when Rhea trapped her with a open position and told her dad?) That's her arc, not sticking with anything because she hates to take risks and being CEO required to take some level of risks.
Completely disagree with this read on the situation. Shiv is most like Logan and he's literally betrayed everyone around him multiple times. Ken tried to get Logan put in prison, that was actually on his wish list to Lisa, but it's Shiv who had the betrayal problem? Seriously? Lest y'all forget, Logan put Shiv in charge even after she went to work for his political enemy and he would have named her instead of Rhea had Shiv not wheedled her way out of that one. You know who Logan never once considered for CEO after S1E1? Ever? Ken. You know who he considered multiple times? Shiv. Shiv's issue wasn't betrayal or backstabbing. It was lack of experience and the fact that she... was a she. Ruthless backstabbing is what Logan wanted and expected.
@@Wolfhunter5607 oh no, as long as he had breath in his body, none of them would ever have taken over. And if he actually wanted one of them to after his death, he'd have made it clear in some legal and/or witnessed document. He did not. He told them in S3 to go out & build something for themselves instead of trying to take his empire. He hated their entitlement. What I'm saying is that if he were to choose any one of his children, it would be Shiv, but he was never going to choose any of them.
@tomaszenko13 Did you also make note of how many times Kendall formulated plans to screw over both Shiv & Roman, and also Connor & WR, or don't his lies and betrayals ever matter?
Shiv became her mother to spite Kendall. Kendall continued the cycle of abuse against Roman, despite so vehemently protecting him before - proving that the second he gets a taste of power he’s willing to do anything to keep it; and Roman finally got out. He escaped the clutches of abuse.
If Tom had just trusted Greg and told him he was about to become CEO Greg would have never told Kendal and none of this would have happened. Tom kinda almost lost the crown cause he didn't trust greg. But i 100% see why he didn't trust Greg. But he was telling Greg his salary was about to get destroyed so i don't blame greg either 😂😂
What I love so much about this finale is the different interpretations of why things happened and what people meant by certain things that happened. I had a lot of questions but at the same time I genuinely think the siblings relationship with the company is pretty severed. I watched this a couple more times after it ended and the three kids all seemed exhausted by it all and coming to terms with the fact that it's just not meant for them. I think they need to do what Caroline said and move on also take a page from Connor's book and accept their dad for who he was and learn to enjoy the things he DID manage to give them. Like a financially comfortable life and maybe be able to bank off of being his kid in other industries and business ventures. I'm not saying excuse Logan for everything but he's dead now, they were never on the inside, and there won't be any closure. I think Connor got that right early on and he has an element of freedom.
On point. When Shiv sided with Roman & Ken she didn't know who was going to be CEO, just not her, but when she finds out it was Tom, that changed everything, and then it became a case of who's going to serve her interests best. Her brother whose entire ambition is just to be CEO, or Tom, who despite everything is seemingly pretty good at his job when it comes to the running of things, plus she must have realised that despite everything she still had Matsson's ear because without knowing it she sold him Tom, as what he was looking for, an acceptable front man for the operation. The whole pain sponge thing reminded me of the sin eater takk Gerri had with Tom way back in season one. That was an important lesson for Tom and one he took on board.
I agree. Though I don't think it's cause she has regard for Tom's competence, but because she knows Tom will continue to kiss her a$s --something neither her siblings nor Mattson will ever do. Is that real power? No...but she perceives it as power, which is all she really needs. She's also an S-tier hater so this works.
Completely agree and you put that post-finale feeling into words perfectly; that episode hurt me so much lol. I mean i knew I was invested but for them to dangle the possibility of the kids coming together in front of our faces and then for it to all fall apart in the worst way possible was just brutal and really broke my heart lmao... incredible finale, incredible writing and acting but wow. Ouch.
This episode reminded me of the Breaking Bad episode Ozymandias, it’s like watching a train wreck in slow motion as all the main characters’ relationships come undone, buried secrets come to light and they all lose everything
Even though Roman was saying those horrible things about Kendall's kids, I think he changed the most in the end. He finally admitted that he is bullshit and it's huge for someone who is narcissistic.
@@JimmyMacram What if Colin is there not for protecting him from others but himself. When he hit that elevator button, I thought he was going to the top at first.
I think this might be my favourite show of all time. I was heartbroken for the kids at Conners wedding, the funeral, and now this? I can’t think of another show that made me care and feel quite so much for characters I would absolutely loath in real life. The writing is brilliant, going to miss it. Will anyone not in this show win any of the awards?
Kendall would have fired Tom and pushed Shiv out. She would have nothing. Now she has “options”, hell Mattson might have a spot for her since she didnt turn on him.
Roman is the only one with self awareness. He knew they were bullshit he wanted to believe in Kendell and he felt in some sense it was his duty to be the heir but deep down he knew none of that was for either 3 of them. They weren't about that life. Maybe now that they have all this money they can start their own enterprises.
Jimmy, I love your reviews of the show - well done sir. 2) There was foreshadowing that Shiv would betray her brother because she spit in the drink made for a king. It was there that she was not completely on board. 3)] Tom putting the sticker on Greg- was so funny and so right on brand. 4) When Kendall went back in and they already voted that was so tragic something about him not being present was so sad. 5) Tom as CEO but the fake CEO fits him right - he will be next to power without any power that’s Tom in a nutshell. And Kendall I felt really sad for him like damn but he can do he has the business sense he can build something great absolutely! As for Roman - he was wrong they aren’t nothing they matter but that got a lot of. Bullshift ways. And it was nice for brief moment to see them laughing. And i did tear up watching them watch Logan that was brilliant acting and directing because nothing was sentimental but the actors help us feel that! As flor judging the finale it’s too soon to say but I can only imagine the million and one think pieces about Shiv.
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Shiv bringing up Kendell being responsible for the caterers/waiters death, that's not why she voted yes, was almost if Logan himself reached beyond the grave to give Kendall one last "I beat you". It was the lowest point in his life and he confided in her, and she used it to tear him down. He was responsible for his death, but it wasn't murder. The line "because I'm the oldest son" was a throw back to Connor saying the same thing to Shiv, Roman, and Kendall as a last pathetic attempt to be relevant in that circle of narcissists outside of the farce of his Presidential run. That was dark.
the last scene in the car with Shiv, it feels like Tom put a sticker on her forehead too - just like with Greg. It is good that the power dynamic has changed with Tom and Shiv, but maybe it is too far to him now
@@kelly9876 I think it was Shiv who put the sticker on Tom's forehead tho. She stuck with Tom cause their relationship makes her feel powerful and she can't stand flunking the exam. She'd rather take the perception of power through a toxic relationship dynamic in which she constantly demeans her partner -who has repeatedly betrayed her - to assert herself, rather than establishing it on her own right. Same reason why Tom picks Greg. I don't believe the power relationship between Shiv and Tom has changed, nor that they'd like it to change. It's not like either of then have to be with each other atp. Their kid's gonna be so f*cked up!
You might despise her methods, but Shiv is her father's daughter. She did as he wanted ---- she SOLD the company. As Logan told his kids, they should create their own pile. He has given them a big head start. Shiv did not realize that no one was going to make her a CEO (of anything) or Roman either( too many demons). Kendall would have been out as CEO had anyone got a whiff the auto accident (why do you think that he rehired Colin?). Greg as CEO --- if you have brain damage. Why would you give up $250 mil to sit around your cousins? Tom, who was already sitting in the position as head of ATN was the logical choice. He is sitting on the cash cow. Matsson wanted someone to implement his policies, not a partner as Shiv wanted to be, in addition Matsson wants to bed her down (she would have to view it as some type of transaction). Shiv would not sleep with Matsson to keep Tom in a job. Shiv looks at the things Tom does a betrayal, but it is not the case. He told Kendall at their diner meeting that he was a loser and that Logan always wins. You knew Tom was up to something when he left the diner. Everyone found out at the end of season 3. If he told Kendall that he was a loser, he tried to keep Shiv out of the mess although she was the one with mouth and poor logic. By taking, the job Tom did his wife a favor. If Matsson was sending blood to Ebba, then who knows what may have been in store for Shiv other than Matsson's rod.
I have seen some hate against Shiv for turning against Kendall. Yes, she was spiteful and all that. Her stated reasons were probably not the actual reasons for her doing so. But...were her stated reasons incorrect? She says that Kendall would not be good at it. Over and over. Yet, she does not say that she would be better, that Roman, Lukas, Tom, or anyone else would be better, just that he would be bad. Also, he killed someone. Are those things incorrect? Are those things not reason enough to vote against him? And she was not even involved in the "eldest boy" vs "bloodline" argument; that was Kendall and Roman. It was horribly cruel thing for Roman to say, but it also displays how volatile Kendall can be. On the other hand, I have seen people say that Kendall should have pulled an alpha move and assert that no one can prove that he did it instead of simply retracting his admission, which...yeah, that is not going to get Shiv or Roman to turn around either.
Not gonna lie, I didn't like the ending at first. After several hours thinking about it, I like the ending and I think it's probably the best ending for the show. Gotta rewatch to see if I still like it or if I love it or go back to hating it lol. One thing I know for sure......THAT THEME FUCKING THUMPS!!!!!! Best theme of all times and it's not even close! 😎 Update: I'm actually starting to love the finale. The symbolism, the full circles and the almost full circles, the music, the acting, the direction, etc is all pretty much perfect. An argument can be made for GOAT.
Top 5 of all time. Everything changed once Shiv found out Tom would be SEO - even though she was furious she recognized she now had one last card left (that she wouldn't have if the named SEO was someone else).
just greg made me happy in this episode hhaha i mean he will forever be a puppet but at least he still have a job like he always wanted without doing an absolutely piece of shit move about tom idk i am satisfied he is the one because i always said i would be happy if its kendall or none of the siblings and honestly i think kendall losing may be the best thing for him i think he can be saved after years of therapy lmao but for know he is like his father (without power) and shiv is like her mom the irony hahaha roman is just... roman
Oh, wow. 10/10 for the last episode. The ending summed up pretty much perfect the whole dynamic of the show and the storyline. And all the betrayals...Pretty hard to digest the last one, what Shiv did. Season 4 like the show overall was almost flawless. I will miss it, I will miss this brilliant TV show. Brilliant. Otherwise, season 2 was my favourite, although seasons 3 and 4 were better, but way, way harder to watch. I thought after seeing season 3 that that was the saddest, but the truth is, after this finale, season 4 was much more sad, even tragic. Kendall remains my favourite character alongside Greg, I think. I thought Roman's character was much more nuanced this season, and I really liked it. Also Tom is another great character, although he is so hateful, but otherwise hilarious. All in all, in my opinion, Jeremy and Matthew both stand out amongst the other actors, with Kieran doing a terrific job in season 4. If next year Succession doesn't win all the possible awards at Emmy, something is very wrong with the TV Academy.
Is anyone else really upset about this end/shiv? Like I kinda didn't expect Ken to win but I'll admit I was really rooting for him and rather happy when it looked like he would get it. I felt like the ending was just as much a blow to me as it was to Ken. And Shiv...like why? What's the logic in her decision? Someone explain it cause I really do not get it. Does she *really* hate Ken so much that she would rather sell to Mattson who made a fool out of her? Or was she thinking about Tom and actually doing something for his benefit for a change? Wasn't she just really pissed off at him? What changed? I kinda hate Shiv for that move at the end there. Like we were just all on board. Also, how would she feel if Ken really did off himself after that I wonder? Also, Frank...why wasn't he on Ken's side? Wasn't he more or less in his corner in the last few episodes or rather the whole show? So many questions swirling in my head...
Good take on Frank! He would've had an infinitely better chance if he'd stuck by Ken cause Mattson/Tom isn't gonna keep him around (he knew this since the Scandinavian episode btw). Maybe in the end he decided to do the same as Kurt, just sell his shares at the highest possible price and get his golden parachute?
I think Shiv just couldn't stomach that Kendall will win in the end. And she'd rather give it to someone else than him. It looked like that decision wasn't planned, it was very emotional.
It seemed clear to me that Shiv was upset after Kendall broke Roman's stitches open, her body language *completely* changed between the scene before and after Kendall did that, and we see her glance at Roman throughout the meeting. She had previously very passionately wanted to fuck over Mattson and Tom, so it's just the obvious thing that changed her mind. Logan could abuse Roman and still keep Shiv's loyalty, but Kendall can't. Kendall is the one who fucked it up for himself.
I mean, it makes sense in context of the show, she already lied to Ken few times this season, why would be different this time? I just got jebaited by the crown scene. I am not upset, just devastated by Shiv being a snake. And I simply despise people who have a beef with you but are never honest and never admit it in person. I guess this is perfect ending for a tragedy. I just never want to watch the show again, it hurts.
Very well done finale -telling how they only featured Connor for small part of it, since everyone else forgot him too. Also the others overcame all obstacles but what stopped them winning was themselves. Although i think they would be healthier away from Waystar. All Roman cared about was his father's approval which he never (and never would have) got. The Tom/Greg fight was surprisingly vicious. Only character that seemed slightly not as awful as usual was Caroline 😂 Shivs acting has been class this season, and just left feeling heart sorry for all of the kids, they never stood a chance with their parents.
Insane how the only functional relationship (even if unhealthy) was Tom and Greg's. Literally even forgives his sidekick at the end. Also I don't see Ken surviving this. He definitely offs himself imo
It's so sad that we see little bits and pieces of the Roy children actually loving each other and being a family, but it's just impossible for it to be their full reality because Logan poisoned it literally down to their DNA. They just never had a chance.
I really don't know what to think about this series. The entire things was incredible and while I don't know what I expected from an ending...this really wasn't it. It feels like we've seen Kendall grow so much since the first episode, certainly more than other characters. So to see all the growth just be for nothing kind of pisses me off. Mattson and even Shiv in a way wins. Sure Logan wanted to sell the company but so he could use the money for something else not just so he could die and some other person could take over his legacy. I think if this series ended with Kendall buying Pierce by himself and giving a speech similar to how Logan gave a speech to pump up the ATN news crew before the election would've been perfect. He would loose, Tom could be CEO but we would see that he is reborn, that he is following in his fathers footsteps. But this? This is just sad.
The final Succession reaction. Let's go. "New Jess" Wow, Kendall. Not bitter, huh? Shiv should have seen it coming with Matsson. He never told her exactly that she would be the American CEO. He only led her to believe it. 13:20-13:32 I love these moments with the siblings. They remind us that, despite their many, many issues, the Roys are a family. Greg hitting Tom back. Never thought I would see the day. 15:36-15:59 WTF Kendall. Like father, like son. 17:26-19:27 And just like that, it all fell apart. It's the same story with Kendall, over and over again. Close but no cigar. Well done, Succession. It ended almost exactly how I predicted except Tom is the CEO instead of Greg.
The most brain-numbing thing to me is people spouting black and white opinions of the characters as if the whole show wasn't about morally grey people.
Glad you named Better Call Saul to that S tear. I never hear much about it. I think I have Barry ranked above Succession personally. Rough Sunday for me.
I think Roman has the most growth of the siblings. I mean as much growth as is possible - he doesn't become a better person or anything. He just is able to let it go and be free of at least that burden.
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It ends the way it started, with Kendall set-up & eager to inherit the crown only for the rug to be pulled out from under him in the 4th quarter. Poetic, but tragic. Kendall is truly one of the greatest tragic characters I’ve ever seen.
*Tragicomic, at times, as he's evidently not well equipped to be the CEO (it's been shown time and time again) and was just trying to appear as a poor imitation of his dad on some misguided quest for recognition from Logan even after his death. They didn't really give him the high degree of dignity that a fully tragic character has, at most they make us pity him. He's a very flawed man who's often unlikable and ridiculous but also hurt, just like his siblings. He simply tried (and failed) to get that CEO position more times than the other two.
You've called it this whole season with Kendall. If his dad always wins, I guess Kendall always loses.
Yup. Tom said it to Kendall in Season 3. Kendall always gets fucked
Shiv, Roman, and Kendall could not have proven Logan any more correct: they are NOT serious people.
Can we get a standing ovation for the score throughout the episode please, Kendall looking out over to the Statue of Liberty with that background score.
I'm so glad it was released at midnight, had it on repeat all day.
what is the piece called!!
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Notice how in the "meal fit for a king scene", Roman and Shiv prepare Kendall's 'coronation' drink and right before he takes it, Shiv spits in it. Clever bit of foreshadowing.
I did not notice that. Fucking woooow. Disgusting.
She truly lived up to her name. Knived her own brother.
i agree with her tho kendall definitely isn’t him
"The greatest finale I'll never watch again." Perfectly said. That's exactly how I feel.
Exactly how I feel. This reviewer is great!
100% will never watch it again
This feeling'll probably pass, but right now, I'm at a point that I can't see myself watching this show again. I never expected a happy ending, but this was even more upsetting than I thought it was gonna be. It was a very fitting ending, but man, is it hard to watch.
You’re all back here rewatching this show less than 24 hours later while you claim to not want to ever see again, just saying you’re not serious people.
@@mattdavid716 lmao da though doubt i’ll watch this as much as like breaking bad, the sopranos or the wire
Two things that stand out to me
1. Ken’s buy off of Colin bites him in the ass in the most poetic way. Followed by his past at his lowest point.
2. Everyone always remembers “You’re not a killer. You have to be a killer.” But nobody remembers what he said right after “but nowadays maybe you don’t, I don’t know.” I think Tom becoming CEO doesn’t prove he’s a “killer” like Logan would say, it proves Logan’s whole worldview is at best, outdated. You can be a lapdog all the way to the top, which is exactly what Tom did. He didn’t win the “big dick competition” with Mattson. He pretty much said yeah man I’ll even let you fuck my wife if you want just let me be CEO.
Tom is a killer though. He was willing to stab the mother of his child in the back to get ahead.
@@havok6280 as if she wasn’t
@@sagarthegreatable missing the point. OP said Tom is not a killer. Whether or not Shiv is also is irrelevant .
@@havok6280 at the very least, it would still mean there are multiple ways to be a “killer” and one of them is by being a hell of a lot more subservient to mattson than Logan was. But it’s more than that, Logan says somewhere in season I think the family therapy episode that Tom was fathoms beneath Shiv. He thought Tom was a nothing, and so did shiv, and so did we as an audience at that point. But Tom’s brand of spineless-ness works bc the most powerful men are always looking for a lapdog.
@@havok6280 he is not I am very well aware of the point he is a puppet not a killer you brought the mother into the conversation the reason he backstabbed her is cause she was doing that to him all along I don’t think he would have backstabbed her if she showed him a little respect.
"I'm ready for Kendall's collapse" represents the entire feeling for this episode.
Season 4 is the best season of the show, one of my favorite seasons ever. And it managed to accomplish that without the brilliant main character. Somehow the show even got better. And then it also managed to stuck the landing. I can't think of another show who did all of this as successfully as this one.
It truly deserves S-tier.
I agree, this season was so strong and I'll miss them.
S-tier indeed
Fully agree.
Honestly this season is masterful. Rare for a show to go out this strong but kudos to Jesse Armstrong for knowing to end a show at the right time.
And everyone lived miserably ever after. Once the siblings were having fun it was clear that was the nail in the coffin. I did laugh hard at the "which? Like you killed so many people you can't remember which one?" Because Roman wasn't even trying to be a jerk that time.
I agree that if the show ended with all three siblings backing each other and Kendall being the crowned the "king" it would have felt off/fake/inauthentic. We always want our favorite shows to end with everything tied up in a nice bow, but that's not always what is best for the show. This felt more real and more true to the characters we've seen for the past four years. Succession remained a tragedy right till the end, though I do think Roman might finally find some happiness.
It seems like the water with Kendal symbolizes the whole lifestyle he’s been chasing, his father’s life. Sometimes it nearly drowned him, sometimes he could float, but in the end he can’t have it and can only spectate behind the guard rail. He can never have it.
Brilliant
That’s an amazing interpretation
S3E6 foreshadowed this. Tom told Ken "my hunch is that you're going to get fcked. Because I've seen you get fcked a lot. And ive never seen Logan get fcked once." Fast forward to S4 and Tom gives Shiv a scorpion as a gift. S4E10, Roman calls Shiv and Kendall scorpions.
The writers alluded to us that Shiv and Kendall would go after each other and Kendall would get fcked. Besides, Succession is a tragedy. Can't have a happy ending in a tragedy.
Man this show hurts. You really want to root for these terrible people. And it felt SO GOOD when they were working together.
Also - Shiv literally became her mom. She got mommed. What a circle.
Roman in the first episode, mocked how he hated the company. Final episode? He's the only one happy.
Or at least at peace with his brokenness.
In the second episode of the 1st season, Kendall is talking to his siblings about the fate of the company while Logan is hospitalized. He says to Roman, 'I love you man, but you are not a serious person.' They MUST have purposely brought that dialogue into the final season as a full circle moment right or is it just me? We really knew the outcome from the beginning.
Nah, she's a billionaire and the true power in that couple. Tom is a pain sponge and a puppet.
@@SoulPatroller yes Tom is an asshole but Shiv is the worst person in tv history, I never hated someone as much I hated here
You are my favorite reactor here. Thanks for the ride .
Thank you kindly. 🙂
Holy shit, you're right, there are no bad episodes of Succession, every single episode has great character building and a good plot going.
That's true. Even the very few episodes that I'm not that fond of are still much better & of higher quality than most shows today.
"second tier bereaved" is one of the wildest lines ever
You said exactly what I was thinking when you were like "Colin, get ready" as Kendall approached the edge of the water
Also extremely relatable that you were just like miserable and shell shocked for the last like ten mins of the reaction, big same
they’ll never make me hate shiv roy. she did what everyone else has done many times before but is treated like the devil. #teamshiv
Once again the Roy kids proving how much they are *not* serious people. What a fitting end for this tragedy!
Fantastic show! I'm gonna miss it so much.👏🏽👏🏽👏🏽
Love how all the siblings get their unhappy yet appropriate endings. Roman's back to being a rich nobody, Kendall will never live up to his dad's reputation, Shiv is doomed to be in a loveless marriage with a corporate man (just like her mother). Absolutely incredible finale that fills you full of hope only to yank it away in true Succession fashion.
I don’t know if Roman’s ending is unhappy. He escaped a cycle of abuse that would have had him be Kendall’s whipping dog just as we was Logan’s before. He also had an epiphany about how meaningless their desires were and how small they themselves were. In the end he’s rich and free from the onus success and struggle, drinking at a bar looking relieved. I think out of the three he’s the only one that has a contented future ahead of him, even if it is being a nobody. I think he’s okay with that now.
@@samfinbury3805 it's not an epiphany cause he *always* knew he -as well as his family - wasn't sh*t, he just wasted his time. He isn't free cause he has absolutely no idea how to function without someone cracking the whip, which is why he gravitates towards abusive environments and people. He always had the option of being disgustingly rich yet uninvolved in the business, like Connor, yet he feels the compulsion to place himself in these situations. Even after Logan's death he chose to stick with Kendall.
The cycle of abuse doesn't stop when an abusive situation ends, but when the emotional damage is healed. What's the advantage of knowing you're troubled if you're clueless as to how to help yourself? It's absolutely an unhappy ending, but he has a chance...they all do, honestly.
@@SweetJeopardy disagree. Roman is the only one who got his HEA. He always wanted to get the deal done to please daddy, because that's what Logan had wanted.
He came to his epiphany in the board meeting fight that they don't deserve to run the company.
He'll find an older Domme at a BDSM club and be just fine.
He was the only one of the 3 smiling at the end for a reason
Also its very telling how we saw a different side of Logan on the videotape without the children around...
Why does EVERYONE forget Connor 😭
CONNOR: Went to dad’s dinner, knew about dad’s mausoleum, got dad’s medals & bought dad’s penthouse. ❤
DAD: Misses Connor’s wedding & gifts him “Napoleon & Josephine letters.” 💔
whole family isn’t shit😂
I completely agree with your points. I can never watch that finale again it was far too painful. I think we knew the forces against Kendall, shiv would never let him win. But for both of the sibs to say what they said to break him there is no turning back in the relationships I would never speak to my siblings again if they were this way.
The fact that Mattson will probably start sleeping with Shiv as he has explicitly stated to Tom's face is pretty stomach churning.
Luckily for Tom, it feels like he's over whatever trance Shiv had him in. He still has basic biological jealousy, but I doubt it bothers him the way it would have a couple seasons ago.
@Jimmy Macram Right on the nose man. Their child will grow up in the most toxic of environments. Would say good thing this is only a show, but this type of shit happens in reality too.
@@JimmyMacram See, judging by their last scene I don't think Tom will ever be rid of Shivs trance cause he could've walked away if he had any self-respect... He just *loves* the cache of being attached to the Roy name and money more than anything, more than he ever loved her if we're being real. He's so deeply insecure about his social status and the way he's gotten to the top has only reinforced these beliefs. He does seem to have accepted his faith as a perpetual a$$ kisser tho.
That mucks up Christmas is a fantastic line! Caroline, truly a hidden gem for the show, along with Karolina wanting to get rid of backstabbing, starting with planting seed of axing Hugo, 😂
Jimmy, I have enjoyed this ride with you. Nothing else to say.
As have I.
I looove Jimmy's reactions! Gonna miss that as much as the show. I kinda felt like Roman
And Shiv (especially Roman) wanted out and felt the only way to do it was to torpedo Kendall's chance. Now, they have to figure out their lives without the succession hanging over their head. I'm glad Greg got a slap in, though.
I feel like I was on a emotional Rollercoaster as well but noone died.. just woww. It was a rough watch, for real
I will definitely be watching this finale multiple times. I absolutely LOVED it. I know it was hard, and I know that the fight at the end was particularly icky, but it ended exactly how it should end. I'm so glad that Shiv brought up the waiter. That needed to be addressed and it had to have some kind of consequence. Also Roman got it! He understood what his dad said about them. They're not serious people. Aka, they're all bullshit! I love it so much. It's so fucking good!!!
YOU. ARE NOT. SERIOUS PEOPLE. -Logan Roy
I don't think they could have possibly showcased that better then in this episode.
I think Roman went in to hurt himself but Kendall shouldn't have gone with it. He chose to continue Romans cycle of abuse because it would benefit him.
I've seen comments about how shocking it was for Kendall to attack Roman, but I was far more shocked by the scene where he purposefully opened up Roman's stitches. Repugnant. Total abuser tactic, designed to make him obediant in the way Logan used to. It's made even more shocking by the fact that Kendall used to defend him from Logan.
Savage finale all around. It's gonna be a while before HBO puts out something as good as Barry or Succession. I'm sad to see both shows go, but glad they ended well.
If you attack my kids, I can't say I don't react the way Kendall did. Rome had that one coming.
@@havok6280 Right, which is why I say I found the earlier scene more disturbing.
which is why I did not find it disturbing. It felt like an appropriate reaction.
@@havok6280 I don't think you understand which scene I'm referring to at all. I'm referring to the scene before the one you're referencing.
You misunderstood the scene, roman complained his stitches looked too good and he didn’t want to present himself in that way to the board. He basically begged Ken to put up the farce that he got more hurt than he actually did to justify to others regarding him stepping down from the ceo position. As ken said, roman knows he doesnt deserve it but he cant say it
In the official Succession podcast, Jeremy Strong admitted he did actually drink that disgusting mess that Shiv and Roman made him.
Sarah snook spit in it too!🤢
Eww
@@bgbills10yummy
I think Shiv would never be CEO (not only for being a woman) but because she is always changing sides due circumstances she betrayed everyone since season one (doing campaign for her Dad enemy and then changing when her Dad offered her the succession) she continued to do that for 4 seasons (remember when Rhea trapped her with a open position and told her dad?) That's her arc, not sticking with anything because she hates to take risks and being CEO required to take some level of risks.
Completely disagree with this read on the situation. Shiv is most like Logan and he's literally betrayed everyone around him multiple times. Ken tried to get Logan put in prison, that was actually on his wish list to Lisa, but it's Shiv who had the betrayal problem? Seriously?
Lest y'all forget, Logan put Shiv in charge even after she went to work for his political enemy and he would have named her instead of Rhea had Shiv not wheedled her way out of that one.
You know who Logan never once considered for CEO after S1E1? Ever? Ken. You know who he considered multiple times? Shiv.
Shiv's issue wasn't betrayal or backstabbing. It was lack of experience and the fact that she... was a she.
Ruthless backstabbing is what Logan wanted and expected.
@@stacyb1341 ngl it felt like logan didn’t want any of those trash kids to be CEO
@@Wolfhunter5607 oh no, as long as he had breath in his body, none of them would ever have taken over. And if he actually wanted one of them to after his death, he'd have made it clear in some legal and/or witnessed document. He did not.
He told them in S3 to go out & build something for themselves instead of trying to take his empire. He hated their entitlement.
What I'm saying is that if he were to choose any one of his children, it would be Shiv, but he was never going to choose any of them.
I just rewatched previous two episodes, she managed to change sides and lie like 3 times in two episodes.
@tomaszenko13 Did you also make note of how many times Kendall formulated plans to screw over both Shiv & Roman, and also Connor & WR, or don't his lies and betrayals ever matter?
Shiv became her mother to spite Kendall. Kendall continued the cycle of abuse against Roman, despite so vehemently protecting him before - proving that the second he gets a taste of power he’s willing to do anything to keep it; and Roman finally got out. He escaped the clutches of abuse.
Succession would definitely be in my S-Tier shows. It ended on a high note with not a single bad episode. I can't say that with many shows.
Colin, get ready 😂
If Tom had just trusted Greg and told him he was about to become CEO Greg would have never told Kendal and none of this would have happened. Tom kinda almost lost the crown cause he didn't trust greg. But i 100% see why he didn't trust Greg. But he was telling Greg his salary was about to get destroyed so i don't blame greg either 😂😂
Why would Tom trust Greg given Greg's track record?
THEY ARE NOT SERIOUS PEOPLE….we all knew this was going to happen
What I love so much about this finale is the different interpretations of why things happened and what people meant by certain things that happened. I had a lot of questions but at the same time I genuinely think the siblings relationship with the company is pretty severed. I watched this a couple more times after it ended and the three kids all seemed exhausted by it all and coming to terms with the fact that it's just not meant for them. I think they need to do what Caroline said and move on also take a page from Connor's book and accept their dad for who he was and learn to enjoy the things he DID manage to give them. Like a financially comfortable life and maybe be able to bank off of being his kid in other industries and business ventures. I'm not saying excuse Logan for everything but he's dead now, they were never on the inside, and there won't be any closure. I think Connor got that right early on and he has an element of freedom.
Loved watching this season with you, Jimmy!
On point. When Shiv sided with Roman & Ken she didn't know who was going to be CEO, just not her, but when she finds out it was Tom, that changed everything, and then it became a case of who's going to serve her interests best. Her brother whose entire ambition is just to be CEO, or Tom, who despite everything is seemingly pretty good at his job when it comes to the running of things, plus she must have realised that despite everything she still had Matsson's ear because without knowing it she sold him Tom, as what he was looking for, an acceptable front man for the operation. The whole pain sponge thing reminded me of the sin eater takk Gerri had with Tom way back in season one. That was an important lesson for Tom and one he took on board.
I agree. Though I don't think it's cause she has regard for Tom's competence, but because she knows Tom will continue to kiss her a$s --something neither her siblings nor Mattson will ever do. Is that real power? No...but she perceives it as power, which is all she really needs.
She's also an S-tier hater so this works.
Completely agree and you put that post-finale feeling into words perfectly; that episode hurt me so much lol. I mean i knew I was invested but for them to dangle the possibility of the kids coming together in front of our faces and then for it to all fall apart in the worst way possible was just brutal and really broke my heart lmao... incredible finale, incredible writing and acting but wow. Ouch.
This episode reminded me of the Breaking Bad episode Ozymandias, it’s like watching a train wreck in slow motion as all the main characters’ relationships come undone, buried secrets come to light and they all lose everything
Well played Shiv.
A nice family vacation in barbados wasn't gonna change years of nastiness , competitivines ambition and hunger of power..
I felt sick for Kendall, as much as a scumbag he is. But it does feel like the right ending for him, and the show.
Perfect ending. This 3 monster children didnt deserve to own shit. Magnificent series.
Even though Roman was saying those horrible things about Kendall's kids, I think he changed the most in the end. He finally admitted that he is bullshit and it's huge for someone who is narcissistic.
Great reaction. No one I know will watch this show and I wish they would because it’s so great… thanks for the content!
Jeremy Strong said that Kendall does indeed jump into the hudson.
Colin's got it sorted 😎
@@JimmyMacram What if Colin is there not for protecting him from others but himself. When he hit that elevator button, I thought he was going to the top at first.
I think this might be my favourite show of all time. I was heartbroken for the kids at Conners wedding, the funeral, and now this? I can’t think of another show that made me care and feel quite so much for characters I would absolutely loath in real life. The writing is brilliant, going to miss it. Will anyone not in this show win any of the awards?
Kendall would have fired Tom and pushed Shiv out. She would have nothing. Now she has “options”, hell Mattson might have a spot for her since she didnt turn on him.
Roman is the only one with self awareness. He knew they were bullshit he wanted to believe in Kendell and he felt in some sense it was his duty to be the heir but deep down he knew none of that was for either 3 of them. They weren't about that life. Maybe now that they have all this money they can start their own enterprises.
Jimmy, I love your reviews of the show - well done sir. 2) There was foreshadowing that Shiv would betray her brother because she spit in the drink made for a king. It was there that she was not completely on board. 3)] Tom putting the sticker on Greg- was so funny and so right on brand. 4) When Kendall went back in and they already voted that was so tragic something about him not being present was so sad. 5) Tom as CEO but the fake CEO fits him right - he will be next to power without any power that’s Tom in a nutshell. And Kendall I felt really sad for him like damn but he can do he has the business sense he can build something great absolutely! As for Roman - he was wrong they aren’t nothing they matter but that got a lot of. Bullshift ways. And it was nice for brief moment to see them laughing. And i did tear up watching them watch Logan that was brilliant acting and directing because nothing was sentimental but the actors help us feel that! As flor judging the finale it’s too soon to say but I can only imagine the million and one think pieces about Shiv.
tragic until the very end
I‘ve been waiting for you to upload!!!!
As Logan said. They aren't serious people.
12:03 - my man...a Silvio Dante "disgusting". Love to see them.
Ladies and Gentlemen! Peforming for the last time, you all know them, The Incredible Fuckup Brother Bandwagon, The Tribute Band, Not Serious People, i present you: THE ROY SIBLINGS!
Shiv bringing up Kendell being responsible for the caterers/waiters death, that's not why she voted yes, was almost if Logan himself reached beyond the grave to give Kendall one last "I beat you". It was the lowest point in his life and he confided in her, and she used it to tear him down. He was responsible for his death, but it wasn't murder. The line "because I'm the oldest son" was a throw back to Connor saying the same thing to Shiv, Roman, and Kendall as a last pathetic attempt to be relevant in that circle of narcissists outside of the farce of his Presidential run. That was dark.
The board and shareholders had better not find out the waiter's death have Kendall sitting in the CEO chair.
I was sad to see the show end. It was funny and witty.
I’ve been team Tom literally always. I’m so happy for him!
Same!
the last scene in the car with Shiv, it feels like Tom put a sticker on her forehead too - just like with Greg. It is good that the power dynamic has changed with Tom and Shiv, but maybe it is too far to him now
Same
@@kelly9876 I think it was Shiv who put the sticker on Tom's forehead tho. She stuck with Tom cause their relationship makes her feel powerful and she can't stand flunking the exam. She'd rather take the perception of power through a toxic relationship dynamic in which she constantly demeans her partner -who has repeatedly betrayed her - to assert herself, rather than establishing it on her own right. Same reason why Tom picks Greg.
I don't believe the power relationship between Shiv and Tom has changed, nor that they'd like it to change. It's not like either of then have to be with each other atp. Their kid's gonna be so f*cked up!
Just speechless, it was brutal.
You might despise her methods, but Shiv is her father's daughter. She did as he wanted ---- she SOLD the company. As Logan told his kids, they should create their own pile. He has given them a big head start. Shiv did not realize that no one was going to make her a CEO (of anything) or Roman either( too many demons). Kendall would have been out as CEO had anyone got a whiff the auto accident (why do you think that he rehired Colin?). Greg as CEO --- if you have brain damage. Why would you give up $250 mil to sit around your cousins? Tom, who was already sitting in the position as head of ATN was the logical choice. He is sitting on the cash cow. Matsson wanted someone to implement his policies, not a partner as Shiv wanted to be, in addition Matsson wants to bed her down (she would have to view it as some type of transaction). Shiv would not sleep with Matsson to keep Tom in a job. Shiv looks at the things Tom does a betrayal, but it is not the case.
He told Kendall at their diner meeting that he was a loser and that Logan always wins. You knew Tom was up to something when he left the diner. Everyone found out at the end of season 3. If he told Kendall that he was a loser, he tried to keep Shiv out of the mess although she was the one with mouth and poor logic. By taking, the job Tom did his wife a favor. If Matsson was sending blood to Ebba, then who knows what may have been in store for Shiv other than Matsson's rod.
incredible finale. goddamn i love a good tragedy. hurts so good.
The “Colin, get ready!” Comment had me 😂. Was thinking the same thing.
I feel so bad for my boy Ken. Im not okay!
The kingdom was never going to be Kendall's to begin with.... I believe he realize that until it's to late.
I have seen some hate against Shiv for turning against Kendall. Yes, she was spiteful and all that. Her stated reasons were probably not the actual reasons for her doing so. But...were her stated reasons incorrect? She says that Kendall would not be good at it. Over and over. Yet, she does not say that she would be better, that Roman, Lukas, Tom, or anyone else would be better, just that he would be bad. Also, he killed someone. Are those things incorrect? Are those things not reason enough to vote against him? And she was not even involved in the "eldest boy" vs "bloodline" argument; that was Kendall and Roman. It was horribly cruel thing for Roman to say, but it also displays how volatile Kendall can be.
On the other hand, I have seen people say that Kendall should have pulled an alpha move and assert that no one can prove that he did it instead of simply retracting his admission, which...yeah, that is not going to get Shiv or Roman to turn around either.
Not gonna lie, I didn't like the ending at first. After several hours thinking about it, I like the ending and I think it's probably the best ending for the show. Gotta rewatch to see if I still like it or if I love it or go back to hating it lol.
One thing I know for sure......THAT THEME FUCKING THUMPS!!!!!! Best theme of all times and it's not even close! 😎
Update: I'm actually starting to love the finale. The symbolism, the full circles and the almost full circles, the music, the acting, the direction, etc is all pretty much perfect. An argument can be made for GOAT.
Bro, I felt exactly the same after finishing it.
Damn!
Top 5 of all time. Everything changed once Shiv found out Tom would be SEO - even though she was furious she recognized she now had one last card left (that she wouldn't have if the named SEO was someone else).
just greg made me happy in this episode hhaha i mean he will forever be a puppet but at least he still have a job like he always wanted without doing an absolutely piece of shit move about tom idk i am satisfied he is the one because i always said i would be happy if its kendall or none of the siblings and honestly i think kendall losing may be the best thing for him i think he can be saved after years of therapy lmao but for know he is like his father (without power) and shiv is like her mom the irony hahaha roman is just... roman
Oh, wow. 10/10 for the last episode. The ending summed up pretty much perfect the whole dynamic of the show and the storyline. And all the betrayals...Pretty hard to digest the last one, what Shiv did. Season 4 like the show overall was almost flawless. I will miss it, I will miss this brilliant TV show. Brilliant.
Otherwise, season 2 was my favourite, although seasons 3 and 4 were better, but way, way harder to watch. I thought after seeing season 3 that that was the saddest, but the truth is, after this finale, season 4 was much more sad, even tragic. Kendall remains my favourite character alongside Greg, I think. I thought Roman's character was much more nuanced this season, and I really liked it. Also Tom is another great character, although he is so hateful, but otherwise hilarious. All in all, in my opinion, Jeremy and Matthew both stand out amongst the other actors, with Kieran doing a terrific job in season 4. If next year Succession doesn't win all the possible awards at Emmy, something is very wrong with the TV Academy.
Tom should divorce Shiv the snake ASAP!!
Is anyone else really upset about this end/shiv? Like I kinda didn't expect Ken to win but I'll admit I was really rooting for him and rather happy when it looked like he would get it. I felt like the ending was just as much a blow to me as it was to Ken. And Shiv...like why? What's the logic in her decision? Someone explain it cause I really do not get it. Does she *really* hate Ken so much that she would rather sell to Mattson who made a fool out of her? Or was she thinking about Tom and actually doing something for his benefit for a change? Wasn't she just really pissed off at him? What changed? I kinda hate Shiv for that move at the end there. Like we were just all on board. Also, how would she feel if Ken really did off himself after that I wonder? Also, Frank...why wasn't he on Ken's side? Wasn't he more or less in his corner in the last few episodes or rather the whole show? So many questions swirling in my head...
Good take on Frank! He would've had an infinitely better chance if he'd stuck by Ken cause Mattson/Tom isn't gonna keep him around (he knew this since the Scandinavian episode btw). Maybe in the end he decided to do the same as Kurt, just sell his shares at the highest possible price and get his golden parachute?
I think Shiv just couldn't stomach that Kendall will win in the end. And she'd rather give it to someone else than him. It looked like that decision wasn't planned, it was very emotional.
It seemed clear to me that Shiv was upset after Kendall broke Roman's stitches open, her body language *completely* changed between the scene before and after Kendall did that, and we see her glance at Roman throughout the meeting. She had previously very passionately wanted to fuck over Mattson and Tom, so it's just the obvious thing that changed her mind. Logan could abuse Roman and still keep Shiv's loyalty, but Kendall can't. Kendall is the one who fucked it up for himself.
I mean, it makes sense in context of the show, she already lied to Ken few times this season, why would be different this time?
I just got jebaited by the crown scene.
I am not upset, just devastated by Shiv being a snake. And I simply despise people who have a beef with you but are never honest and never admit it in person.
I guess this is perfect ending for a tragedy. I just never want to watch the show again, it hurts.
Very well done finale -telling how they only featured Connor for small part of it, since everyone else forgot him too. Also the others overcame all obstacles but what stopped them winning was themselves.
Although i think they would be healthier away from Waystar. All Roman cared about was his father's approval which he never (and never would have) got. The Tom/Greg fight was surprisingly vicious. Only character that seemed slightly not as awful as usual was Caroline 😂 Shivs acting has been class this season, and just left feeling heart sorry for all of the kids, they never stood a chance with their parents.
Where does The Leftovers rank for you??? That show has three incredible seasons.
Best reaction ever !!!
AHHHH WHY
never felt as bad for a character as I feel for Kendall
Insane how the only functional relationship (even if unhealthy) was Tom and Greg's. Literally even forgives his sidekick at the end. Also I don't see Ken surviving this. He definitely offs himself imo
It's so sad that we see little bits and pieces of the Roy children actually loving each other and being a family, but it's just impossible for it to be their full reality because Logan poisoned it literally down to their DNA. They just never had a chance.
Also great pull on Godfather. Same note too bro
I really don't know what to think about this series. The entire things was incredible and while I don't know what I expected from an ending...this really wasn't it. It feels like we've seen Kendall grow so much since the first episode, certainly more than other characters. So to see all the growth just be for nothing kind of pisses me off. Mattson and even Shiv in a way wins. Sure Logan wanted to sell the company but so he could use the money for something else not just so he could die and some other person could take over his legacy. I think if this series ended with Kendall buying Pierce by himself and giving a speech similar to how Logan gave a speech to pump up the ATN news crew before the election would've been perfect. He would loose, Tom could be CEO but we would see that he is reborn, that he is following in his fathers footsteps. But this? This is just sad.
In the end. Even if you win. You lose.
Exactly. They're all miserable people.
I too will be like the show ended after they watched their father sing on video . The end because that that scene in the glass room was brutal -
I fucking knew it would be Tom, I was convinced Ken was gonna kill himself at the end though.
The final Succession reaction. Let's go.
"New Jess" Wow, Kendall. Not bitter, huh?
Shiv should have seen it coming with Matsson. He never told her exactly that she would be the American CEO. He only led her to believe it.
13:20-13:32 I love these moments with the siblings. They remind us that, despite their many, many issues, the Roys are a family.
Greg hitting Tom back. Never thought I would see the day.
15:36-15:59 WTF Kendall. Like father, like son.
17:26-19:27 And just like that, it all fell apart. It's the same story with Kendall, over and over again. Close but no cigar.
Well done, Succession. It ended almost exactly how I predicted except Tom is the CEO instead of Greg.
Succession the Roy drug of choice. Put it down!!
Not the ending I wanted but I will say Sarah Snook did an amazing job at completely making me despise her character. She's the Joffrey of Succession.
The most brain-numbing thing to me is people spouting black and white opinions of the characters as if the whole show wasn't about morally grey people.
Glad you named Better Call Saul to that S tear. I never hear much about it. I think I have Barry ranked above Succession personally. Rough Sunday for me.
Team Wambsgasm for the win.
Noteworthy that the only person Shiv would work with over 4 seasons was Lukas because they both love power and cucking Tom.
Funny because Season 2 is my fave season.
Shiv and Roman realized Logan was right. They aren't serious people.
Or they just didn't want Kendall to have it... which is understandable.
I think Shiv couldn't swallow Kendall as CEO.
I do think you're right about Roman though.
There must be a deleted scene with Shiv.
as logan said. they're not serious people
I think Roman has the most growth of the siblings. I mean as much growth as is possible - he doesn't become a better person or anything. He just is able to let it go and be free of at least that burden.
Try and do reaction for either Power Book 3: Raising Kanan, or Power Book 2: Ghost, y’all did good on Power years back! 🙏🏼