I Used to be a diesel driver on the NYMR back in the late 70's into the 80's, theres a few more signals in use now than there was back then.. A good useful video..
I used to make these route lering films for the BRB back in the eighties. Cameras mounted in directors saloon and propelled all over the network bt a class 47 or 31.
Great and informative production! I'm a driver on the ELR, this is a great concept and I'll send it to our trainers. Would be very useful as an MIC with experienced crews adding anecdotes and advice at various spots. Of course in lockdown at the moment a great refresher!
Hiya, I saw that you said you were a driver at the ELR? That's my local and I'm hoping to volunteer when I'm old enough I wanna do either signalling or firing When I'm new what would my first tasks?
@@Northerner_Transport_Hub if you go into the footplate links you start as a loco cleaner. This enables you to learn about the parts of the loco, what they do, what's dangerous etc. Basic safety like not to be moved boards, use of handbrake, shunting, hand signals etc. Not sure about the signalling side, I would think you would shadow current signalmen in a particular box. There's quite a range of boxes from very simple to quite complicated. I guess you would start in the most simple and work your way up. Whichever you choose there will be a training programme and exams to test your knowledge and allow for progression. If you get back in touch when you're ready and let me know what you want to do I'll point you in the right direction for someone to liaise with. Best regards, Andy.
@@v2factoryman I am nearly 16 years of age and volenteer at Dragon Miniature Railway as a cleaner, guard and ticket inspector occasionally. What age do i have to start as and would I have to be accompanied by an adult? I have been going to the ELR for a long long time and know a few of the staff there.
@@Northerner_Transport_Hub is that the one at Dobbies Garden Centre? Not sure what the current policy is regarding young people volunteering unaccompanied, I'll check for you.
Thanks for a brilliant trip, once lock down is over shall definitely visit as I've never been. Saw the television series, and enjoyed seeing all the hard work that goes into running a railway. Huge congratulations to all. This video complements the programme.
Double line one day would be fantastic. But I'm just dreaming here. Pahaps one day in the future, it will be put back to as it was before closure. Fantastic line no the less
Very much doubt it as the line now terminates at Pickering and none too sure the track south could be reinstated! Beeching really did do a hatchet job without thinking about the future!
When going back to double track, it's not just the cost of the rails, sleepers and ballast that needs to be considered. Many of the bridges will now be assessed for a single train passing over. A double track would mean the possibility that two trains could cross a bridge simultaneously, the potential extra load could well exceed the safety limits of many bridges. The cost of strengthening them would probably exceed other costs by some margin.
Great views of the former station at Farwath, what an excellent place to create another Halt , opening up this fascinatingly remote forest to exploration .
Brilliant Film. Very similar to the DVD "From the Footplate" but with informative captions, as to where the train was passing. Makes you want to visit as soon as the Pandemic is over if ever.
Was supposed to be going to Whitby middle of July this year. Our Cottage is just outside Whitby station and see Eric, Repton 1256 and a few others every day. Sadly not this year though, but no worries we have booked again for next year same place, same time.
Such a beautiful trip. It is a shame the wind noise was so noticeable throughout. except for the stops of course. It was so nice to hear the different workings of the loco throughout. Beautiful indeed, thanks! WL
Went for lunch on the Pullman as a 70th birthday treat, going again for our wedding anniversary in September. Really enjoyed it. One question I have concerns the very low speed limits. What are the various reasons? I guess it is a combination of factors, I have some thoughts as a non railway person but they would be guesses to say the least. An obvious one is safety, another is to reduce wear, another is no reason to rush.
Heritage railways are limited to 25 mph max speed as they are classified as 'light railways'. On the NYMR the slmax speed between Pickering and Grosmont is 25mph. However, when the locos venture into the network rail mainline to Whitby, the speed increases to a maximum of 30 mph as that is the network railway speed limit on the section of track between Grosmont and Whitby. If a loco goes the other way to Battersby, the max speed is up to 45 mph. The lower speed limits will be due to things like curvature of the line, crossings, stations, points, etc,
@@nymrfootage Thak you for your prompt and thorough reply. It explains a lot. To be honest, I dont want to be rattling at 100 mph trying to eat my roast beef, the speed limits are just fine to allow me to enjoy the view and experience. I used to live in Middlesbrough and always loved travelling to Whitby and Scarborough by train.
Great perspective of the railway. Interesting signalling terminology at Grosmont, labelling the two platform signals as 'Section' signals. Should they not be identified as 'Starting' signals as signal GC17 beyond the tunnel is both labelled and performs the actual role of a section signal.
50:37 I love those Stainer hooter whistles. I’m guessing it’s because they remind me of my all time favorite single chime whistle, the N&W A and Y class articulated steam whistles.
Is it safe to assume this was double tracked in it's day? I've ridden the line twice when I was very young. The second time was memorable because I spent the entire time with my head out the window looking at the engine and got a smut in my eye and was miserable the whole time home haha.
@@SecondValveSteam You got a good memory. I have a vague recollection but couldn't remember u til I checked the footage and heard 6619 whistle from the rear of the train. Good call.
Really good video thanks. Can you explain what the fog sighting boards are used for? I've done a Google search to no avail other than maybe a reference point to help the signalman check visibility due to fog?
Yes, that's exactly what it was for. They were certainly used by the NER, but I'm not sure if any other companies used them. If the sign couldn't be seen clearly in daytime then fog operating rules came into effect.
Hi guys. Just subscribed now, and already have a few questions for ya's... 1. Where is Platform 1, at Grosmont.? I can see 2, 3 and 4. But can't figure out where platform 1. could be.? Unless it's an old BAY platform, at the other side of the station building on the right, going in the other direction, from when the line continued out of the town the other way. Is this right.? 2. Why did you not SET OFF from platform 2.? Do you not use it, or is there another reason.? 3. Is that the original COALING equipment, or have you had to bring it in from elsewhere.? Great video so far tho.! I'll stop again when I have another question.!😂!. Rich 🥰🥰🥰.
Platform 1 is on the other side of the station. It's on the Esk Valley line that connects Grosmont to Whitby and to Battersby and Middlesbrough. See this video of the Esk Valley line passing through Platform 1 ruclips.net/video/i0QIB7mgnnA/видео.html
To answer the other questions, trains for pickering can depart from platform 2, 3 or 4 at Grosmont. Often there will be a train to whitby in 2, whilst the Pickering train is in 3 nd the dining set in 4. The coaling plant was built by members of the railway to their own design. It is I believe the only hopper style of coaling plant in operation in the UK.
Yes, most do. If they operate on the mainline to Whitby they have to have a speedo otherwise they can't travel on the network rail mainline. Some of the older locos that operate internally between Grosmont and Pickering only, don't have speedometers. It's up to the drivers judgement to gauge speed. Driver's generally get a good feel for the speed of their loco and can use the section times and mileposts to workout the speed.
Hello from down under(sydney australia) wonderful scenic journey in a beautiful part of the world,is this line still connected to the br network?cheer's bob.
@@jerrydowse5061 Those are spring loaded catch points, they will derail any movement heading down the hill unless clipped. This is to prevent vehicles rolling into a train climbing up to Goathland.
I loved this video... can you tell me if this video was illustrating both the outward bound and return trip ? I was confused with seeing the same names of places showing up ? My ancestors come from Halifax and surrounding area , but I have never visited and probably never will now (Canada) I could feel something in my spirit move at the beautiful landscapes...almost magical... Unspoiled ..
This video brings back memories. Not that I've ever been to this railway (or the UK, for that matter), just that your Black 5 has the same whistle as the N&W Class A from my childhood: ruclips.net/video/mOXRy13NNe8/видео.html
Why is the "permanent speed restriction" seen at 14.16 marked by temporary speed restriction boards? The restricted section is a very short piece of straight track, with no obvious reason why full line speed can't be maintained. I suspect it's actually a TSR imposed because of a track fault, and the video caption is not accurate.
So, the line terminates in Pickering, which is around milepost 7. Did the line originally extend another 7 miles, maybe to Marlton? The former r-o-w is certainly obliterated south of the Pickering Station. If the line did extend another 7 miles to Marlton, when was it torn up? Thanks, Norm in New Jersey, USA
Yes the line went to south of Pickerin to join the York-Scarborough line at Rillington with many trains running to and from Malton to Whitby, other trains came from York and beyond.
It would be reported to the signalman at the next station. The train crew travelling in the opposite would then be advised by the signalman to take extra care and watch out for the sheep encroaching onto the track. The area can then be checked to see if there is a broken fence that the sheep may have passed through.
There isn't a mile zero on the NYMR. Pickering is 6 3/4 and Grosmont is 24 1/4. The zero would be at Rillington Junction where the line once ran to before being closed at part of the Beeching cuts.
Wouldn't that be fantastic, and would increase capacity. A lot of slewing has taken place since BR singled the line in the late 60s, so would be difficult in parts, but Goathland to Levisham would be nice, and rebuild the little signal box at Goathland Summit, with the 2 sidings. Who knows, someday....maybe.
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I Used to be a diesel driver on the NYMR back in the late 70's into the 80's, theres a few more signals in use now than there was back then.. A good useful video..
With us still in lock down it reminded me of what we took for granted... Really enjoyed it and can't wait to visit al
I love the info on screen it great
I used to make these route lering films for the BRB back in the eighties. Cameras mounted in directors saloon and propelled all over the network bt a class 47 or 31.
What a LOVELY station building you have there at Pickering.🥰🥰🥰.
Fantastic. I can see myself watching this one again.
Terrific video!! Handy for those learning the ropes...More please!!
Such a satisfying sound track. Good old dependable black 5, barking away happily. Thanks for sharing.
Great and informative production! I'm a driver on the ELR, this is a great concept and I'll send it to our trainers. Would be very useful as an MIC with experienced crews adding anecdotes and advice at various spots. Of course in lockdown at the moment a great refresher!
Hiya, I saw that you said you were a driver at the ELR? That's my local and I'm hoping to volunteer when I'm old enough
I wanna do either signalling or firing
When I'm new what would my first tasks?
@@Northerner_Transport_Hub if you go into the footplate links you start as a loco cleaner. This enables you to learn about the parts of the loco, what they do, what's dangerous etc. Basic safety like not to be moved boards, use of handbrake, shunting, hand signals etc. Not sure about the signalling side, I would think you would shadow current signalmen in a particular box. There's quite a range of boxes from very simple to quite complicated. I guess you would start in the most simple and work your way up. Whichever you choose there will be a training programme and exams to test your knowledge and allow for progression. If you get back in touch when you're ready and let me know what you want to do I'll point you in the right direction for someone to liaise with. Best regards, Andy.
@@v2factoryman I am nearly 16 years of age and volenteer at Dragon Miniature Railway as a cleaner, guard and ticket inspector occasionally. What age do i have to start as and would I have to be accompanied by an adult? I have been going to the ELR for a long long time and know a few of the staff there.
@@Northerner_Transport_Hub is that the one at Dobbies Garden Centre? Not sure what the current policy is regarding young people volunteering unaccompanied, I'll check for you.
hopefully one day this year, i will be able to enjoy these views in reality again.....greetings from germany....
Thanks for a brilliant trip, once lock down is over shall definitely visit as I've never been. Saw the television series, and enjoyed seeing all the hard work that goes into running a railway. Huge congratulations to all. This video complements the programme.
Thank you for the great comment.
Thank you so much, I can't think of a better way to spend a couple of hours after staying at home for 8 weeks.
Thank you for the comment. It's appreciated.
I'll second that comment, I was hoping to get up the NYMR for a ride this Summer, looks like is may not happen until Autumn at least
Nice ride. Beautiful countryside.
Double line one day would be fantastic. But I'm just dreaming here. Pahaps one day in the future, it will be put back to as it was before closure. Fantastic line no the less
Very much doubt it as the line now terminates at Pickering and none too sure the track south could be reinstated! Beeching really did do a hatchet job without thinking about the future!
When going back to double track, it's not just the cost of the rails, sleepers and ballast that needs to be considered. Many of the bridges will now be assessed for a single train passing over. A double track would mean the possibility that two trains could cross a bridge simultaneously, the potential extra load could well exceed the safety limits of many bridges. The cost of strengthening them would probably exceed other costs by some margin.
This is ace, thank you for taking the time to caption it all as well
Superb video , i joined the NYMY last year ,one of the best Railways in the UK lets hope things improve soon ,Best Wishes Graham
Great views of the former station at Farwath, what an excellent place to create another Halt , opening up this fascinatingly remote forest to exploration .
aBSOLUTELY Perfect Wonderful informative video. Be nice to see another in better brighter weather, but we can all wish for that Aha.
Brilliant Film. Very similar to the DVD "From the Footplate" but with informative captions, as to where the train was passing. Makes you want to visit as soon as the Pandemic is over if ever.
Was supposed to be going to Whitby middle of July this year. Our Cottage is just outside Whitby station and see Eric, Repton 1256 and a few others every day. Sadly not this year though, but no worries we have booked again for next year same place, same time.
5:43 someone was nearly having lamb for dinner
dang that was real heavy for a training video. TBH soon as I saw them near the track I assumed he would whistle sooner
Crowman very sorry my guy 🤣
@@jeffeffery8181 they probably didn't see them any sooner
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Wow it’s a drivers eye view from the black 5 on the North Yorkshire moors railway
No the driver can’t see as well as this, there is a big boiler in the way which means he can only see half of what you can see on here
Such a beautiful trip. It is a shame the wind noise was so noticeable throughout. except for the stops of course. It was so nice to hear the different workings of the loco throughout. Beautiful indeed, thanks! WL
Could have been 60 years ago a train ride with the same view as it would have been all those years ago.
Fabulous footage!
This is my idea of a Driver's Eye View. Eric Treacy the Black 5 is handsome in his own way.
Fabulous ride through fabulous country.
Went for lunch on the Pullman as a 70th birthday treat, going again for our wedding anniversary in September. Really enjoyed it. One question I have concerns the very low speed limits. What are the various reasons? I guess it is a combination of factors, I have some thoughts as a non railway person but they would be guesses to say the least. An obvious one is safety, another is to reduce wear, another is no reason to rush.
Heritage railways are limited to 25 mph max speed as they are classified as 'light railways'. On the NYMR the slmax speed between Pickering and Grosmont is 25mph. However, when the locos venture into the network rail mainline to Whitby, the speed increases to a maximum of 30 mph as that is the network railway speed limit on the section of track between Grosmont and Whitby. If a loco goes the other way to Battersby, the max speed is up to 45 mph.
The lower speed limits will be due to things like curvature of the line, crossings, stations, points, etc,
@@nymrfootage Thak you for your prompt and thorough reply. It explains a lot. To be honest, I dont want to be rattling at 100 mph trying to eat my roast beef, the speed limits are just fine to allow me to enjoy the view and experience. I used to live in Middlesbrough and always loved travelling to Whitby and Scarborough by train.
Great perspective of the railway. Interesting signalling terminology at Grosmont, labelling the two platform signals as 'Section' signals. Should they not be identified as 'Starting' signals as signal GC17 beyond the tunnel is both labelled and performs the actual role of a section signal.
Superb. Thanks for this.
Great ride , lovely line. 💚🌲🌳🍀🌿 🚂
50:37 I love those Stainer hooter whistles. I’m guessing it’s because they remind me of my all time favorite single chime whistle, the N&W A and Y class articulated steam whistles.
Is it safe to assume this was double tracked in it's day? I've ridden the line twice when I was very young. The second time was memorable because I spent the entire time with my head out the window looking at the engine and got a smut in my eye and was miserable the whole time home haha.
Very good well enjoyed😊
What engines are in this video and Bridge 33 at Beck Hole, when I was little when any locomotives would go under it I would say it's my bridge
The footage is filmed from black 5 45428 Eric Tracy. And we pass black 5 45212 at Levisham.
@@nymrfootage at the start I thought I heard an S160 whistle
GWR 56XX 6619 was banking this trip. I believe it may have been its final journey up the line!
Yes there was a s160 whistle
@@SecondValveSteam You got a good memory. I have a vague recollection but couldn't remember u til I checked the footage and heard 6619 whistle from the rear of the train. Good call.
Really good video thanks. Can you explain what the fog sighting boards are used for? I've done a Google search to no avail other than maybe a reference point to help the signalman check visibility due to fog?
Yes, that's exactly what it was for. They were certainly used by the NER, but I'm not sure if any other companies used them. If the sign couldn't be seen clearly in daytime then fog operating rules came into effect.
@@neiloflongbeck5705 Thanks for confirming
Awesome! Love it!
Hi guys.
Just subscribed now, and already have a few questions for ya's...
1. Where is Platform 1, at Grosmont.?
I can see 2, 3 and 4. But can't figure out where platform 1. could be.?
Unless it's an old BAY platform, at the other side of the station building on the right, going in the other direction, from when the line continued out of the town the other way. Is this right.?
2. Why did you not SET OFF from platform 2.? Do you not use it, or is there another reason.?
3. Is that the original COALING equipment, or have you had to bring it in from elsewhere.?
Great video so far tho.!
I'll stop again when I have another question.!😂!.
Rich 🥰🥰🥰.
Platform 1 is on the other side of the station. It's on the Esk Valley line that connects Grosmont to Whitby and to Battersby and Middlesbrough.
See this video of the Esk Valley line passing through Platform 1
ruclips.net/video/i0QIB7mgnnA/видео.html
To answer the other questions, trains for pickering can depart from platform 2, 3 or 4 at Grosmont. Often there will be a train to whitby in 2, whilst the Pickering train is in 3 nd the dining set in 4.
The coaling plant was built by members of the railway to their own design. It is I believe the only hopper style of coaling plant in operation in the UK.
What was 6619 doing at Grosmont at 1:46:39 I thought it would be off to its new home
Caroline Steam yeah but I thought it was on the back of the train at the start
‘Scuse my higgerance, do locos of this era have speedometers? Else how do you judge your speed against any limit?
Yes, most do. If they operate on the mainline to Whitby they have to have a speedo otherwise they can't travel on the network rail mainline.
Some of the older locos that operate internally between Grosmont and Pickering only, don't have speedometers. It's up to the drivers judgement to gauge speed. Driver's generally get a good feel for the speed of their loco and can use the section times and mileposts to workout the speed.
Good video quality. The stream surprised me. Interesting line. Electric token?
Hello from down under(sydney australia) wonderful scenic journey in a beautiful part of the world,is this line still connected to the br network?cheer's bob.
It is. Grosmont joins the National Rail line between Middlesbrough and Whitby.
At 10.16 the points looked not set correct.Are they spring loaded ? Apologies if i am wrong..lovely journey.Thanks
The points are correctly set for the up mainline into platform 1 at Goathland.
nymrfootage .sorry, i mean the catch point ? after,,,looks wrong...
@@jerrydowse5061 Those are spring loaded catch points, they will derail any movement heading down the hill unless clipped. This is to prevent vehicles rolling into a train climbing up to Goathland.
Kool video
I loved this video... can you tell me if this video was illustrating both the outward bound and return trip ? I was confused with seeing the same names of places showing up ? My ancestors come from Halifax and surrounding area , but I have never visited and probably never will now (Canada) I could feel something in my spirit move at the beautiful landscapes...almost magical... Unspoiled ..
Yes. Grosmont to Pickering for the first 55 minutes.
Then Pickering back to Grosmont for the next 55 minutes
Glad you enjoyed it. Hopefully, you'll make it over to NYMR at some point in the future.
Ive subbed great channel here
nice - good info
Where was the camera on the smokebox door
Think it was on the hand rail
Why do you have a PERMANENT 15mph restriction, in the section along the line at bridge 23.?
Both No3 & No4 signals at Goathland are referred to as "Up Section Signal". Isn't No3 a Starter Signal? Same applies in both directions at Levisham.
This video brings back memories. Not that I've ever been to this railway (or the UK, for that matter), just that your Black 5 has the same whistle as the N&W Class A from my childhood: ruclips.net/video/mOXRy13NNe8/видео.html
Why is the "permanent speed restriction" seen at 14.16 marked by temporary speed restriction boards? The restricted section is a very short piece of straight track, with no obvious reason why full line speed can't be maintained. I suspect it's actually a TSR imposed because of a track fault, and the video caption is not accurate.
So, the line terminates in Pickering, which is around milepost 7. Did the line originally extend another 7 miles, maybe to Marlton? The former r-o-w is certainly obliterated south of the Pickering Station. If the line did extend another 7 miles to Marlton, when was it torn up? Thanks, Norm in New Jersey, USA
Yes the line went to south of Pickerin to join the York-Scarborough line at Rillington with many trains running to and from Malton to Whitby, other trains came from York and beyond.
Thanks Neil. When was the Pickering-to-Rillington segment torn up? I see no evidence of it today. Norm in NJ, USA
@@ndweiler Between 1968-1970
@@railfreightdrivergallagherGBRf OK - Thanks RDG, Norm
Wunderbar!
Wouldvsomeone go out to investigate why the ewe with 2 lambs was on the line ?Also, what happened to Pickering ?
It would be reported to the signalman at the next station. The train crew travelling in the opposite would then be advised by the signalman to take extra care and watch out for the sheep encroaching onto the track.
The area can then be checked to see if there is a broken fence that the sheep may have passed through.
Do you know how many coaches it was pulling?
Probably six or seven.
Why can’t Severn Valley Railway do this??
I realise now I should have read the header here ...Duh......
Very nice.
Where is mile Zero on the NYMR?
There isn't a mile zero on the NYMR. Pickering is 6 3/4 and Grosmont is 24 1/4. The zero would be at Rillington Junction where the line once ran to before being closed at part of the Beeching cuts.
@@nymrfootage that's what I thought, Malton seemed too far way, and Rillington about right.
first call viewing . thank you
Interesseting video :)
Good video, but one way was plenty for me. The uphill journey would be over the top.
Looks like the Island of Sodor
Which loco was used in this video please. It sounded like a three cylinder with its triple exhaust beat.
It says in the description and the reply to another comment the filming loco is Eric Treacy, a Black Five
LMS Black 5 with two cylinders
The Black Five was having to work hard on those gradients and the class never had a reputation for having particularly quiet exhausts.
Do you have plans to double track this line at any point in the future.?
Wouldn't that be fantastic, and would increase capacity. A lot of slewing has taken place since BR singled the line in the late 60s, so would be difficult in parts, but Goathland to Levisham would be nice, and rebuild the little signal box at Goathland Summit, with the 2 sidings. Who knows, someday....maybe.
Is this before the webcams were installed?
1:35:31 Hogsmeade
Why can’t SVR do this ?
???
Hi is this a virtual train rather than a real one bit confusing
This is real, using a camera mounted to the front of the locomotive. The additional information has been added for training purposes.
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