How I Lube a Bicycle Chain and Pros and Cons of Different Lubes
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- Опубликовано: 25 июл 2024
- My guide to choosing the right lube and how best to apply lube to your bicycle chain for longer chain life, better performance and no squeaks!
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00:00 Intro
00:49 Lube options
2:03 Wet lubes
3:58 Dry lubes
5:27 My personal fave lube
6:20 Future of lubes
7:03 Expensive lubes worth the money?
8:54 How to lube your chain
10:33 Your lube of choice?
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I love your even approach to your presentations. No exaggerations, no sarcasm.
Thanks
I find that popping my Squirt lube bottle in the microwave for a few seconds works best, because the wax needs to be hot in order to really penetrate the rollers. This also avoids the wax gumming up the drivetrain. Coincidentally this tip was offered in one of Silca's videos.
Great tip, I use squirt as well, so this will be helpful
I don't have a microwave, so I just put the bottle in my pocket while getting the bike ready and let my body warm it up..
For how long you put it in the microwave?
Mucoff dry summer and muc off wet autum/winter.
@@cullynick1062 Muc off dry lube (for me) was one of the worst lubes I’ve ever tested. It’s still oil based so it still really dirties the drivetrain
I use the Synergy wet lube that you showed for the gravel bike; and Ceramicspeed UFO on the road bike. The latter has been amazing in terms of smooth running and gear changes, and the chain is clean again with a few quick wipes with a rag. Not cheap, but the best one I’ve used.
Squirt user here too. Big fan. Started using it at the beginning of the season over a wet lube for the first time and I love it!
been using dry fluid bike and absolutely love it. my whole drivetrain stays clean without washing, its super silent, long lasting and works in the rain. i like it better than drip wax because the chain runs smoother and i dont need to aplie 12h before riding.
Thumbs up for a non sponsered video made to help consumers.
Here in Sweden many bikepaths are maintained snow/ice free during winter using plows and a nasty thing called salt which feasts on your drivetrain. Wet lubes has it downsides in dryer, dirtier conditions but is the best option in wet, icy and salty conditions. You still need to clean your drivetrain though and not just apply more and more lube..
Just started using Squirt, went out and rode a couple of time and I already love dry lube. Thanks for the tip, it’s really helpful!
Thank You David for a really good review!
I just hot waxed my chain for the first time and used Silca Hot Wax. One thing I forgot to do was wipe off the excess wax with a clean cloth at the end of the process. It's been about 400km since I did the waxing and the drive train is still humming along. Best of all, the chain and drivetrain is still squeaky clean!
I've been using the Silca hot wax every 500 miles or so, and relubing between rides with the Silca Top Secret liquid wax. My drive train stays spotless and smoother than anything
I've ever tried before. I don't mind the extra effort to hot wax the chain (I actually kind of Nerd-Out when dipping it) and the results are just amazing.
What is your mix and do you do it on the stove?
@@paulb9769 You don't use the stove if you're married. In a serious vein, a crockpot works best and you can use it anywhere there is an outlet. (garage, shop, etc.) I just leave the wax in there with the lid on and turn on the heat as needed. The silca product is their own proprietary formula, no mixing. Oz Cycle youtube channel has lots of vids on mixing your own.
@@twdogtrading Haha good point. I am a bachelor so I do not have that problem. I do use a slow cooker that I picked up for free off FB.
David, thanks for this information. I have been using ProGold ($7.99/4 oz) for years, and it works well on all my bikes. No significant wear on my components, so I will keep going with this one.
Been using squirt for a bit over a year and love the stuff. Can definitely feel the difference
Are you using it on your road bike?
@@sandeepjamkar yes I am.
I am on the CS UFO Drip; a bottle has lasted me almost 18 months. One tip is to have 2/3 chains with a rotation and ultrasonic cleaning in between each lube application. This ensures cleanest chain each and every time lube is applied and therefore reduces wear on your drive train components. Apply the lube with the chain laid out flat on the floor, applying at each roller and letting the lube penetrate over several hours. The 3 chains have lasted several thousand k's with hardly any wear signs.
Rock N Roll Gold for my road bikes during the dry summers, Rock N Roll Extreme for my other bikes and for the rainy winters! (PTFE-based lube) I've tried doing the hot wax thing but I found that it only lasted around 200 miles or so before the chain started to squeak, not much better than using the Rock-N-Roll lube. But it's way easier to just wipe and lube the chain after every other ride than it is to remove the chain and go through the whole hot-wax process. Frankly, I'm not after marginal gains, I'm really all about having a long-lasting clean and quiet drivechain, so the Rock N Roll works well for me. Been using it for 10 years or so - ever since I found out about it.
I live in Las Vegas and Rock n Roll Red dry lube is everyone go to as it repels dust and road grit
I like Rock N Roll Gold but it is actually PTFE which is quite bad for the environment.
@@undertwotimes I did not know that! Thanks for the correction! I've updated my comment accordingly.
That's why squirt lube is used. If you waxed your chain at the beginning, then you can use squirt lube just to replenish the wax layer, no need to remove chains or clean anything.
Squirt for the win, been using for a year or so now, great to use for your indoor trainer as it isn't as messy as a wet oil based lube
Been using Silca Secret Chain Lube for around a year now and it’s great. No more sticky black grime on your drivetrain and hands. Yes chain prep requires far more effort but ultimately more than worth it.
I've used Squirt for 7 or 8 years now. I use a stiff nylon brush to remove dirt and old wax then re-apply new wax every 150-200km. When the chain needs a clean, I drop it in an ultrasonicator for 5 minutes with mineral spirits followed by acetone, then hang to dry. Cassette gets the same treatment. Everything is completely clean. After reassembly, I spin the crank and re-apply the Squirt. Never clumps, runs quiet, and is good for another 200-300km before re-applying here in SoCal.
I use Squirt dry lube for a couple of years now. It works well, keeps my chain and cassette cleaner than all other products I used before; you have to follow instructions (real deep degreasing of the chain is mandatory before lubing the chains).
Do you experience any buildup of wax over time? Apart from re-lubing, is there any ongoing maintenance?
@@Mububban23 l am following the Squirt instructions: I use a nylon brush to remove small solid wax particles from time to time. But there is much less buildup of wax or gunk than with other Lubes. Then I do a thorough degreasing a couple of times per year but much less frequently than before.
Good sensible video clearly explaining what to do and let's be honest, these are bicycles we're talking about not an F1 car. Think of your cadence, around 80-100 rpm so the forces involved are pretty small really. Don't overthink things, some manufacturers try and baffle with science but basically clean your chain and cassette etc and apply sparingly. Job done.
For what it's worth I've always used Squirt and find it very good. Just about all my riding is done in dry so a dry lube/wax is perfect.
Squirt is a great lube that I've been using for over 10 years, fantastic stuff for a silent & smooth shifting drivetrain.
Lube I like to use is tri flow, cleaner, quieter shifting. Add little more then you need whip off to clean chain, reapply and whip off. Nice clean chain. After cleaning chain rings/ cassette and jockey wheels.
I've been using Squirt for a while. Works well and stays much cleaner than any oil based lube I've tried. It's pretty warm where I live and over time, the Squirt would get thick and be difficult to apply. I emailed the manufacturer and they said it was ok to add water to the bottle to reduce the viscosity. I added water and shook until the consistency was a little thinner than suntan lotion which seems to work well. Will try the microwave hack next!
But here is the problem with driving in wet condition. What apply to your bottle also will work with the wax on you chain.
I use ProLink. I buy a pint bottle and refill an empty Tri Flow bottle,with a straw applicator. ProLink is self cleaning and penetrates the chain easily. It provides me a 4,000 mile chain life, at 0.50 wear when I lube my bike every 90 miles. I’m still using the same 11/34 cassette after 13,500 miles, although I did replace the 11t cog at 8,000 miles.
Very good video, David. I use hotwax on my roadbike, but this system comes to its limits when it comes to gravel or cx-racing in dirty/muddy conditions. It just wears out to quickly. I will test these products on these and if they work, will also apply them on my mtb. It's just the season for it, no 😃?
I’ve been using squirt for nearly 2 years love it …
First saw it when Katie Kookaburra used it …
i’ve been using the squirt wax lube in your video for past few months. i’d say each application last 200-300km
definitely cleaner , less sticky, less messy than my previous c3 ceramic dry lube
Absolutely David, one of your better videos to be honest. Spending on lube, as you mentioned, is a small cost compared to other components. It also will save money in the long run, a lot in fact, ZFC has made a chart comparing the cost of maintaining a drivetrain using the worst lubes compared to the best.
Chain lubing is a cake walk compared to chain cleaning. If you employ the clean/lube process effectively and frequently, the lube you choose is not that critical. I've used Pedro's Ice Wax for decades, and I see no reason to keep trying new concoctions. I do clean my chains before re-lubing though. Yes, lube cost is minimal compared to the price of cycling hardware, but that doesn't in any way justify it. Bikes and running gear are way too expensive these days, and claiming those high equipment prices justify high maintenance costs is a very weak argument.
With hot waxing the cleaning of your drive train is quick and easy.
You do realize these wax drip lubes wash away completely with…wait for it…hot/boiling water. What’s easier than that? I literally unhook my toolless Connex link, set my chain on my porch and poor a kettle of boiling water over it.
@@kidsafe Some do not completely degrease and clean new chains prior to waxing so your point is neither here nor there. I do how ever and this is how I clean mine.
@@paulb9769 I wasn't replying to you though.
Hot waxing 🤣
The golden era of lub....I use anusol, it's generally good on the whole.
Good point. Also it's better than KY which comes off in the rain.
@@stevedriver1376 Steven you are correct my boy, it is used for Hemorrhoids but being a cream based solution by it's very nature it's lubricating. Hope they are hanging well for you. 👍
Soaking a rag with motor oil (any engine oil will do) and pulling the chain through it is all I do.
That's it.
Repeat every week on rainy conditions and every month on dry conditions.
No special expensive chain oil, chain wax and no degreaser or anything else needed.
Motor oil has everything needed, it works not only as a lubricant but also as a detergent and rust inhibitor, it has anti wear components, too. In winter it's thin enough and in summer thick enough due to it's viscostiy improvers it comes with when it is a multigrade oil which every motor oil nowadays is.
Like I said, everything ever needed is already in motor oil included.
There is no cheaper and more effective way to take care of your bicycle chain.
@@c.s.4273 I'm using the same 100 ml flask of Exxon oil for ~30 years now, it's thinner than engine oil, still half full, cost me something like $6 at that time. Not perfect but it's good lube, and cheap!
@@c.s.4273 Now that is the best advice my dear biking buddy. Peace goodwill and happy bike riding.
Silca Synergetic is great on my indoor trainer bike. Super quiet and smooth for many months. Though I recommend having a rubber mat under the trainer and bike to prevent any oil on the ground.
I use Squirt lube for about a year now and I am thrilled with it! Just had the greatest compliment from another rider who said "nice new drivetrain!". while the drivetrain had 3K of experience, it keeps looking as new!
I am curious to see how it compares with hot wax soaking.
@@paulb9769 for me hotwax is too much of a hassle. Every now and then I apply SquirtLube in the evening and the next day I am ready to go, works perfect for me.
@@bobzuidema3560 Fair enough I find it easier than any other form of lube. Swapping a chain takes me a minute or two and my bike stays shiny.
I have experimented with a few different ones for road and I also like Rock and Roll Gold the best so far. Its very inexpensive but a downside is I am putting more on every 125 miles or so.
Very informative, thank you, and thx also for the links to the products. I have ridden for too long on filthy chains. I'm now coming out of the `Dark Ages`
I switched to Squirt in the fall of 2021 (was using Muc-Off Ceramic Dry for the 3 years prior) and have no complaints at all, understanding of course that it does need to be re-touched every 300-400km in completely dry conditions, 100% road riding.
I use hot pot waxing & still need to reapply every 300-400km in dry weather. I pre prepare 3 chains at one time. The waxing process does take more time & requires a little patience but it works well & leave you with clean drivetrain 👍
And mucoff C3 dry is still better. I was Testing so much and MUC Off is Just so good. Squirt is louder Then C3.
I've been using squirt since 2017, coming from cooking chains in a Castrol tin can of motorcycle oil for decades.
It attracts much less dirt, but also gets washed away within just two heavy showers.
Definitely needs to add another "layer" of squirt every 250km after wiping the chain with a rag.
I switched to Squirt a few years ago and have never looked back.. would recommend it to any road cyclists.
I use Finish Line Ceramic Wax on my road bike and Boeshield T9 on my MTB. Both have worked great for me.
Check out zero friction cycling's tests. The finish line stuff works, but it definitely doesn't work well (especially for the cost of the ceramic stuff).
For years I've used Shimano PTFE to good effect, I know there's no bells and whistles to it and it's pretty thin but I prefer to do it more often and always put just a tiny amount (a drop on each roller usually). But next I'm gonna go for the Squirt wax.
PTFE is an environmental nightmare, though
Excellent explanation. thank you !
Previously, in the distant past, I used the "Finish Line" lubricant I was satisfied, but I did not even know about the existence of dry lubricants, so I was once recommended to switch to the "Squirt Dry Lube" dry lubricant, I tried it and was very surprised at the efficiency and the chain was clean, didn't need to be cleaned all the time, I still use "Squirt" to this day. I recently bought to try "MUC-OFF DRY PTFE" I will test it!
Were u using finish line grease ceramic grease? 😂
Silca Secret Chain Blend. Going 300-400 miles before rewaxing. I've had to use Super Secret Chain Lube once inbetween waxes. Recommend it to everyone.
Another good thing about the wax lubes is that you can dry clean the chain with your chain brush. This knocks off all the dirty wax flakes on the outside of the moving chain links.
IME, it gets gummy or clay-like. Large chunks can be brushed off, but it definitely needs to be wiped with a rag to finish it off properly.
Using Silica Hot Wax periodically and when I've an hour to spare, backed up with Weldtite Dry wax drip wax. I do a fair bit of gravel riding and its just amazing that the drive train just stays clean and quiet. Washing the whole bike down with Muc Off after mucky rides is pretty much all that's needed. If only chains came supplied without factory greese there'd be no reason at all for anyone to ever bother with oil based lubes again because as you said you really must start with a fully degreesed chain for wax lubes.
Silca's new chain stripper etc. make it really easy to make new chains wax-ready.
I’ve been using squirt and mostly happy with it. Occasionally it will get my jockey wheels pretty gunked up which I don’t understand. I do the small drop per roller method and let it dry a minimum odd 20-24 hours before riding.
I have used Squirt for several years. It's great as long as it doesn't rain. If it rains, it gets washed off and your chain goes rusty. I have a different bike for rainy days and I use a wet lube on that!
in winter condittions just dont wipe the exes of it protects the chain from rusting as i tested it myself
Silca secret lube is def the best i have ever used👍
I use squirt and it works great but you still need to give your drive train a wipe down with a dry rag occasionally as it does leave a waxy residue behind that builds up over time.
I used to use those silicone spray when starting out cycling. Easy to apply but heck of effort to clean them and they are dirt magnet. Switched to Squirt after a friend's recommendation. Much easier to clean and works well even on wet roads(no rain) as well as drizzling conditions. Was given a bottle of Muc-Off C3 and my life was never the same. It felt so quiet and light on my chains as well as smelled real good too... Lol! But this came at the expense of the lube not able to hold up to wet weather. After the few puddle splashes or decent amount of raindrops, the lube was completely gone. I had to carry a small of bottle of it for such situation when the weather takes a bad turn. In spite of all this, I still prefer to use the C3.
Btw, forgot to add... cleaning of the chains is a breeze and I use water with none to little degreaser each time.
C3 wet or dry?
I never thought I would watch an 11 minutes video about lubes
Great video! Thank you
I like to use the Ufo Drip Wax lube from Ceramic speed. When you apply it it sticks to the chain and no drops falling to the ground messing my ground floor. And it works just perfect.
I’m using morgan blue race oil. A little less noise in the chain since I’m using
Well David all very informative and on point... If you have to chose one lube to rule em all , let's say you are on a bike pack into the unknown could rain but is a supposed dry terrain, but there is chance of mud, and you only have space for that one bottle, an you like your ceramic lube small bottle ... then is the best pick for any terrain ? even if you know every day and any day you have to stop clean and use more ceramic lube.
I occasionally switch lubes. I am finished with my REX one and now got a Dynamic to try out. I struggle to find any difference between expensive wax-based lubes. Have tried around 20 different varieties. Muc-off hydrodynamic had a stand out feature. No itsy-bitsy rust spots on a chain over a very wet ride or a decent bike-wash. Others do let rust occur occasionally.
I need a lube that lasts well in wet long endurance rides. Pedros Synlube is the best I’ve found.
So many people just hold the bottle and spin with the lube, I'm glad I'm not the only one that does each roller individually lol
i have been using a mix of coconut and with a 30% mix of castor oil. after cleaning the chain and chain rings. never got issues so far. its good water repellent too.
I use White Lightning and Rock n Roll gold, and I wipe down my chains with a microfiber cloth after each ride. Clean and re-lube every 200 miles. I'm getting 4500 miles (7000 km) on a Shimano Dura-Ace 11-speed chain and 7000 miles (11,000 km) on my Red AXS chain.
Hot wax method, wow I was buying Castol chain grease which you melted back in the 60’s for motor bike chains.
I've used Squirt wax on my road & gravel bike for a few years and been v. happy with it. Just trying out hot wax method now with intention of topping up with wax lube every couple of weeks - still too early to say it's definitely better, but certainly now I've done it once it's straightforward enough I'll do it for all our bikes.
Be interested to hear how you get on with the hot wax method Paul, I'm going to get myself set up and see what it's all about next - maybe going into winter is the ideal time for it?
Wax lube doesn't go all that well together with hotwax. The only exeption is that you can hotwax certain wax lubed chains. AB graphene lubed chain for example. But your wax lube will not bond with the chain that is coated with hotwax. Also it is much easier to just remove the chain and swish it. I use a couple of chains so I have one ready at all times. It's the fastest and cheapest option in the end.
@@Anihalas interesting to hear your experience. Silca say in their documentation / marketing to top up with their wax lube, but maybe that's just a way of selling more stuff. I'll see what happens.
@@pscoop I have no experience with silca. But I can see it from them since they are one if not the best. Just keep in mind that the liquids from the wet lube need to evaporate before you ride. Otherwise it will still atract dirt into the chain. I just don't bother since I've grown so accustomed to the hotwax process and my information might be a bit outdated!
@@Anihalas Silca Super Secret Chain Lube works fine with Silca's Wax and MSpeedWax (I think the same goes for CeramicSpeed UFO Drip)
Super secret is good stuff. Bought 3 bottles of it.
I've been using Smoove lube and found it has extended the chain life by a few 100 km. I've got a Force chain with 1200km and no wear.
I've been using Pedro's dry lube wax. Seems to work good and it's biodegradable
I use a 3rd technique for applying lube. I put a few drops on an old toothbrush, which minimises wastage.
Wurth Dry Lube is the best product I have tried and the bike shops use it too.
i us emtb squirt for my retro mtb and i love it i gained extra 600km from the chain life with 1x10 drivetrain
I hot wax my chains and I also use my own intermediate wax solution between hot waxing if needed. I don’t ride in the cold or rainy weather.
I use the Silca Synergetic. I've used just less than half a bottle and I've managed to get through 9,000 miles on my Sram Force chain and I'm not even at 0.5% chain wear according to my chain checker. The chain is much cleaner than other lubes and I get 200 - 300 miles or so before reapplication is required.
That's impressive usage Datta Matthew thanks for sharing - what were you using before out of interest?
@@davidarthur before I'd have used Muc Off or more regularly Morgan Blue Race Oil. Previously I'd have gotten maybe 5k miles on a chain but this is almost double and still a way off needing replaced. Silca claim 90% improvement in wear and I'd have to say my experience reflects that and better. Still about 60% of the bottle left too, so while it's north of 30 quid a bottle, seems pretty good value to me.
Another satisfied Squirt user here. I'm convinced you get a few extra watts as well. For winter I'm currently using Pedros Syn Lube which gets less gunky than other wet lubes around. Applying carefully to each roller saves wasting a lot of lube as well.
A few extra watts with squirt? LOL i dont see arguments
here about that
I have been using SQUIRT since purchasing my cf bike 2 1/2 years ago. I will reach 7000 km total before the end of this week. I hope to try paraffin combined with microfine ptfe Teflon shortly……once my bag of Teflon arrives from China soon I hope.
Muc-Off C3 Dry Ceramic Chain Lube - Love this stuff!
Independent testing shows that Muc-Off makes some of the worst lubricants on the market, if not the worst.
@@james5150 please provide link.
@@Bradbajc Check out Zero Friction Cycling’s full lubricant testing file
Muc-Off Ceramic as of late. Chain stays clean and sharp for 300km if I don't get caught in rain. Seems to handle dust as well when I use on my gravel steed, though after 100+km dusty rides I do clean and re-apply.
My all time favorite is Squirt wax lube. lasts a long time and the shifting is smoooooth........
I wonder what your thoughts are on the round disc that you apply the lube to & run the chain over? I use a dry lube on my Ebike, because it's not wet here in Florida.
Just use chainsaw bar oil for you chain.Its anti fling cheap and if it's good enough for a saw chain going at many metres per min I am sure it's good enough for your bike chain. Worked for me over 40 yrs.
When I was a kid we would save the used oil from the lawn mower and use it as chain lube. On my Schwinn sting ray.
Hi,
I use Revolube.
I also have squirt and sscl but i dont like the soft black particles that are left over on the chain and cassette.better say hate it...
Synergetic is very good but leaves the chain little bet grey or should i say- not sparkling.
Revolubes, gives you the optimal results:
It is smooth as wet or wax lube, and after you wipe/wash it from the outer chain it seems that there is no lube at all on the chain and its clean and shiny for weeks of ridings!!
And still running and shifting smooth!!
Yes i have found my solution for dry road cycling.
Thanks
I agree with the WD40 comment made in the video, with the WD40 that was being used. However, the WD40 brand does have many bicycle specific cleaners and lubrication products.
Amusingly, the WD40 silicone product shown in the video *is* a lubricant. Not a product that I would use on a bike chain, but not the basic WD40 water disperser.
I remember a large scale test of all these products, and standard WD-40 wasn't so bad in fact... just not sure if it was on a YT video or a website...
Performance wise wax was the best, Squirt was not far from it, they had just forgotten to mention thin oiI, suspect that's because performances are just as good as most commercial products.
I had been using muc off wet lube but all it seemed to do was turn into a black gunky grinding mess so I'm giving squirt lube a go.
Someone did a test on squirt lube and the result is pretty interesting. it does make the chain clean but the lubrication part is questionable.
Dave, what lube do you use on long bikepacking trips? Wet and dry conditions. Thank you
I use Squirt and I am thrilled with it. I will emphasize (as David did in the video) that it does NOT last long and frequent reapplications are necessary. Still a bottle lasts a long time and it's not overly expensive.
The overall cost of Squirt over 10,000km can be as much as 50% more expensive than the overall cost of a lubricant like Silca Super Secret Chain Lube 🙂
@@james5150 I said it's not overly expensive. I didn't say it was cheap. If it's out of your budget, don't buy it.
@@james5150 where I live the Super Secret Chain Lube costs about 4 times more than squirt. Are you suggesting its really 6 times longer lasting?
@@michaellarkin6158 I don't know the difference in single application longevity, but here's some interesting data from Zero Friction Cycling on the rate of chain wear per 100km in dry conditions when a chain is lubricated and exposed to sandy loam: Squirt is 2.37% per 100km, Silca Super Secret Chain Lube is 0.46% per 100km, which is five times better (100% wear is equivalent to a chain reaching its 0.5% of total wear). Silca SS also requires only one drop per roller, so you use very little per application.
@@potatocipollini8013 I was simply putting 'not overly expensive' into context 🙂. A bottle of Squirt is very cheap, but what really matters (economically) is how much lubricant you must use per application (i.e. cost per application) and how effective that lubricant is (i.e. how long before you have to spend money on replacing worn chains, cassettes and chainrings). Compared to a more expensive bottle of lubricant like Silca SS Chain Lube, Squirt has a much lower upfront cost, but it has a higher cost per application and is less effective, which makes it more expensive overall.
I have started using Muc-Off e-bike wet and dry lubes for my Specialized Creo, I am not an expert but I have noticed a difference (to the better) over the standard lubes. Having just watched your guide on - How I lube a bicycle chain - it certainly gave me food for thought but wonder if you have any comments that may help with regards to the chain on an e-bike.
Independent testing shows that Muc-Off lubricants are some of the worst, if not the worst, on the market 😬
I use LPS 1. It comes in an aerosol but I squirt a tiny bit into a cut down plastic bottle and brush it on. My drive chain is silent.
I use Squirt during the summer and Muc-Off Hydrodynamic or C3 Ceramic Wet Lube in the winter (or wet rides). Either of the two winter options tend to attract dirt and need a strong degreaser to remove them.
I find Squirt tends to make the chain stiff and slightly noisy after a few rides and applications, the wax is still there but the links don't seem to move as freely as they did on first application. Maybe I'm using too much?
Any recommendations for the best degreaser? I find huge variation in brands in terms of effectiveness.
Ceramicspeed UFO degreaser for drivetrain. It's ecological and it is amazingly good. I recently degreased a 20yo drivetrain with it. For new chains though I use a few terpentine baths followed by some alcohol baths. It's much cheaper. But do take care of the right disposal. Zerofrictioncycling can tell you all about it.
Also wax lubes always require some time to break in and don't make your chain silent. As long as it's not the sound of metal on metal you're good. Usually you can start to hear a higher pitched grinding sound when there isn't enough lube left.
I use 80/90 weight gear oil. About £10 per litre. Apply it with a toothbrush on a bicycle chain.
Currently using Squirt with an infusion of tungsten disulfide of my own blend. Works well for me.
How much does the tungsten disulfide cost?
@@james5150 $100 per kg, but smaller amounts will be quite enough. About 0.5 gm per 4 oz Squirt bottle.
@@danwilliams783 What size are the particles?
I always rub a slight amount of wax to the outside of the chain to reduce friction against the deraileur
I use Boeshield T-9. Waterproof and rust protection. Not a racer, ride fixed gear.
After a couple of years of Squirt, I moved on to UFO drip. Squirt was good value for money and I had no complaints for outdoor riding with it. But when it came to indoor cycling (I had only 1 bike then and had to use the same bike for indoor and outdoor riding), Squirt made my floor dirty. Dirt went off quickly with wet wipes, but still not ideal. Ever since I changed to UFO, my floor is much cleaner after indoor riding. Yes, UFO is more expensive than Squirt, but given that a bottle of lube lasts 12-18 months, I don't think price is that big of an issue.
I use synthetic wet oil. RP3 brand with PTFE (Polytetrafluoroethylene). I guess it’s OK. Never ride in the rain or wet surface. Maybe I should use a dry lubricant. My maintenance guy says a waxed chain is a noisy one. I tried Rock-N-Roll Holy Cow and never heard my bike chain make so much noise!! What are your thoughts?
Switched from Rock n Roll to Muc Off dry, I'm happy. Haven't heart of Squirt.
Been using Squirt for a few years and also an ultrasonic cleaner for a couple seasons as well. After ultrasonic cleaning, I usually lay the chain down on top of shop towel and then apply Squirt and also let it dry there. This avoids getting extra lube on the chainring and cassette which is somewhat inevitable if you apply while the chain is already installed.
I've found the pros and cons of Squirt exactly as described in the video. It's quiet and seems to make my chains wear much slower, but you really do need to re-apply it fairly often. Even when only riding in fair weather though I usually want to wash my bike after 200 miles max so cleaning and re-lubing the chain pretty much comes a part of that process anyway. Poor weather is where Squirt really suffers though, you only need to ride through a good pour and/or wet road afterwards and it's gone after a single ride.
is it worth persisting with over winter or do you switch products for rainy periods?
@@Mububban23 I don't, but would probably save myself a lot of bother if I did. It's a bit hard to recommend for winter for sure. There's "low temperature" version which supposedly works better in sub zero temps and I do use it, but can't really say that it lasts noticeably better.
I reapply the lube after every ride few drops not each link just rotate the chain and put few drops also before doing that use a brush to remove the dust then just wipe the chain with a rag this was suggested by a mechanic who is a certified one .. its look like a time consuming process but if you using wax the degrease step is removed and it will hardly take 10mins or less i do this process after every 50km+ ride and its must after a long ride like 100km or 100+ for me 100 is long dont know about you guys considering i have a hybrid 😂
Used to have Muc Off Dry Lube and even tried ceramic lube, got dirty fast as I ride a lot of gravel. Switched to Squirt Wax lube and I swear by it, did a couple of gravel races/rides and the only part that was clean is my chain.
Hi David, can I use Squirt chain tube to lubricate derailleur and the disc brake(not the pads and brake rim). Your views please.
I was using n oil for dry conditions. Recently I thoroughly cleaned my transmission, ready to apply a wax lube. Hope that keeps things cleaner, as oil is so messy.
If you eventually decide to go back to wet lubes, something like Silca Synergetic or Revolube aren't as messy because you only apply a small amount of lubricant per application 🙂, and they perform exceptionally well for oil based wet lubes!
@@james5150 Yes I will saw that in this video.
Weldtite seem to escape every lube review I have ever seen, but they do feature at World Tour level with DSM
Weldtite all weather with Teflon is by far the best all round oil for 99% of cyclists. Cheap too. Their wet lube is good for UK winters too, doesn't wash off as quick. No way I'd ever spend more on bike oil than £5 a bottle, that's just crazy.
The same, tried Smoove and switched back to Squirt that in 2 times cheaper
I started with Silca Super Secret and was good but as you mentioned, doesn't last as long as wet (barely 100 miles). I switched to WT1 (kinda bitter you didn't talk about it at all) and it is great. I've not been able to ride until it's claimed 400 miles before relubing, but I get close enough. You also do not need to wait overnight before riding, and is great for long bike rides to just put in the saddle bag (smallest bottle).
What's the groupset on your bike and what chain do you use?
@@james5150 This was on a Shimano 105 groupset. The chain is an 11 speed KMC chain.
@@entdmII Ahh, I think the KMC chain is partly (or mostly) to blame. Zero Friction Cycling does not recommend KMC chains for immersive waxing or wax-based lubricants because KMC's chain coatings tend to repel wax lubes, which leads to very short treatment lifespans. Very short treatment lifespans tend to lead to short chain lifespans even when running top lubricants.
@@james5150 ah, good to know, thanks for that info.
I'm expecting my bike back tomorrow after an upgrade to SRAM Force etap, using a Force chain of course. Maybe I'll give it another try.
@@entdmII Cool! I ran Force eTap for a while, but I used Molten Speed Wax rather than Silca Super Secret Chain Lube. The gaps between the parts of the flattop chain are very tight, so it might help to cross-chain as much as possible and apply lubricant onto chain links just as they are connecting with the cassette - the more extreme angles might make the gaps in the chain a little wider for better penetration by the lubricant. The flattop chain requires a little more initial cleaning than other chains and I found an immersive wax treamtment lasted about 150km, so perhaps you'll experience something similar with Silca SS (maybe a wet lube like Silca Synergetic or Revolube is a better option if you want a longer treatment lifespan). One tip, install a chain catcher on the front derailluer (I like the K-Edge Pro Braze-On) because the SRAM front derailleurs are a little more prone to dropping the chain and you don't want to scratch up your frame!
What product do you recommend for initial degreasing of a new chain?
What about bearing grease? I love that stuff. I use an old paint brush and slather it all over.. and don’t forget jockey wheels, cassette, and chain rings.
If you're riding a lot in foul weather, or in winter when the roads are salted, this is a really good tactic cos it protects the chain & drivetrain from rust. Pro cycling teams often do it for training rides, but they don't tell you cos they want you to buy silly expensive fancy lubes from their sponsors😂
10:18 does this also the deal with that previously mentioned Squirt product to (05:28)? Before re-applying there is no need to degrease/remove all dirt and wipe the chain to a fully clean status before apllying another round of fresh Squirt product?