I agree, his stuff is all very plausible feeling. Even if it ends up being wrong, it won’t be because anything he said was far fetched, that’s the reason I like his videos, they are all feasible and that matters to me.
The “we don’t need your salvation” line is probably towards Barnabas. Barnabas’ lines so far and his character description make it seem like he thinks he’s the shepherd who’s going to save the sheep and lead them “unto tomorrow” as he’s said before. We know he also wants the crystals gone, just in a different way. The JP version of “your efforts will avail us not” is more along the lines of “the way you’re doing this will save no one”
Yeah i could definetly see Barnabus having a little bit of a god complex, thinking he's the only one that can save the world. But I imagine that with that salvation comes some price which isn't worth the "salvation"
It seems like we've seen a lot, with all the footage that's been shared, but there are still so many questions. I'm really intrigued by all these characters and their goals and relationships. June 22 can't come soon enough.
"I was forced to kill but you chose to" is a weird thing to say to Clive as Jill seems to be the most consistent (not torgal) party member so Jill fights most of the same fights as clive
I can't believe I've missed out on this channel for so long. I cannot wait to see your post launch content, especially that revolving around the lore. A new lore daddy approaches, everyone!
When Clive rips through the Iron Kingdom Crystal there are orange cracks in the space around it, very similar to the blue cracks around Typhon when he is impaled by Ramuh’s staff. You can also see through those blue cracks in the Typhon face close up and see the blue Crystal area. Strong evidence that the crystals are hiding parasitic monsters either behind an illusion or in another dimension. Also looks like Cid gets hurt striking the blue Crystal so he transforms into Ramuh, strikes the Crystal again, revealing Typhon.
Very interesting theories! I always saw the effects around the crystal as just that, special effects. Maybe some aether coming off the crystal as it's being destroyed. But I like where your head is at, I think its very likely the fallen and the crystals are linked so I could see something like this being true potentially.
Spear out of portal could be Odin's Gungnir, looks kinda like water in the background, maybe it's Barnabas cleaving the sea leading to the seabed scene.
Yay new video! I’ll add to this comment as I watch. They’re saying all they’ve shown so far is from the first 6 hours of the game, which is so amazing to me if it’s true. Think of all that we have in store for us!! I feel like Dion is being used as a tool and lied to about what he is being used for. Like he is being told that what he is doing is good, but really it’s bad and he is too naive to know. I feel like he is in for a reckoning when he realizes how he’s been being misled and used because what he actually has done is against his morals. What happens after could be anything, he could deal with it rationally or emotionally, to dire consequences. I feel like the crystals can bloom, maybe as a defense mechanism? 17:08 interesting that the red star/planetoid/thing isn’t visible here. I feel it may be a red herring, but maybe not who knows! 19:01 I fully believe Clive is special in some way that allows him to wound, or destroy, the mother crystals. 21:26 absolutely! I think it will be framed by someone reading and recounting the tale from some point in the future. Thanks for the video/s, they’ve all been great. I hope you continue to make videos after it’s released as well. I appreciate your perspective on this game and I imagine I’ll enjoy your thoughts on other things as well. Cheers!
Thanks for the support! Yeah another person brought up the missing red star, i personally think its just because the moon is so bright that you cant see the stars immediately around it. That said he brought up that it could be a different celestial body like the sun or something like that, and that it could in fact be taking place in space. Also for the blooming crystal I'm pretty sure its the rebirth of a crystal, which would be super cool.
Even if you choose not to stream your first go of the game, hope you'll keep a recording of your playthrough and upload it after :) Will be fun to see your reactions to getting your theories confirmed or denied.
I’m case I’m right (I’m not), I’d like to say that I know absolutely nothing beyond the demo and these fantastic analysis’s. I think it’d be really interesting if the Blight is due to the previous civilization trapping the Eikons to the mother crystals, thus removing their inherent presence in the world and allowing the Blight to eventually spread. Since the Eikons are connected to the mother crystals, it makes sense that attacking them kills the Eikon. That’s where Ifrit comes in. In a twist of fate, Ifrit isn’t bound to any mother crystal, and so is able to destroy them and the other Eikons without reservation, allowing their “spirit” to return to the world. It will be a huge fit blow to humanity who has come to rely on the convenience of these powers, but a huge boon for the world, whose natural elemental guardians have returned.
On your theory about potentially someone in the future is reading the events of the game in a book, I just wanna point out that a similar narrative device was used in FF Tactics with the whole story of the game being revealed from the Durai Papers. I would not be surprised if a similar narrative device is used in this game seeing as YoshiP is a fan of Mastuno's work. As well the similarity with the Heavensward book you pointed out being a narrative device already used in FFXIV
If the Fallen are an ancient alien civilization, I think it's possible Clive is one of the Fallen, or an ancestor of them, which is why he's able to destroy the mothercrystals. I think this may be why they called the title "Moongazing", he's looking back to where he originated from, because the phrase moongazing often has an implication of longing or want, and I almost certainly think we will end up going there at some point. I'm not sure if this is accurate or not but the shot of Clive vs. the Megaflares and the focus on the super bright moon may indicate that the Moon may be getting brighter as we destroy the crystals, almost as if it's charging up or accumulating more energy. This may tie back in to how Barnabas thinks it's pointless that Clive is destroying the crystals, since he may be privy to something about their "true" purpose. In one of the interviews one of the directors likened the crystals to essentially being oil fields or an energy resource. We also don't know much about the Blight, but my theory is that the Blight spreads as the energy of the crystals is consumed, almost as some sort of waste byproduct (maybe a metaphor for pollution or destroying the planet or nations waging wars over natural resources). This might tie in with the voiceline between Jill and possibly Dion? where the male voice says,"You mean to tell me the mothercrystals are why the world is dying?" Later when she says,"I was forced to kill, you do it by choice!" I think she could actually be speaking to Dion even, in that while he has a moral compass, he still willingly chooses to go through with his actions despite questioning them. Perhaps they're draining Valisthea of its energy, thus allowing the Fallen to return as the real enemies in the latter half of the game. I also find it interesting that when we see the shots of the moon, we almost always see the red star-looking body next to it. To me it looks like a fading star, kinda what red giants look like when they've consumed most of their energy. I think this could be foreshadowing to what could happen to Valisthea and the planet if Clive isn't able to save the world. We've also seen a Dragoon-like enemy in the trailers called the "Knight of the Dying Sun" and I think this title is a little too much of a coincidence given all the shots of the moon+fading star. Perhaps the Fallen have been using the crystals to siphon energy for their own purposes, then something/someone (ancestor of Clive/Ifrit's original Dominant) did something to make their civilization collapse and fall down to Valisthea. Perhaps the mothercrystals were literally parts of the moon that fell down to Valisthea as debris. Barnabas says when he slashes Clive,"And thus is the light of hope severed" and I think it's interesting he's calling him "the Light of Hope", which doesn't sound so much as a title bestowed to him by the people, since we see in this trailer that the crew's/Clive's actions to destroy the crystals are not really wanted by the general populace. It sounds more like a title, perhaps a prophecy or something (tying in with the themes of fate we've seen thus far). This also might tie in with how the voice at the end of one of the trailer's (perhaps the hooded man) says,"Awaken oh child of fate.. Awaken.. Ifrit." I think they're referring to the same thing about Clive here, in that his arrival and being the one to awaken Ifrit, who was previously an unknown Eikon, whereas the others, such as Phoenix, have been known about and acquired through various means. Clive already possessing Ifrit might be why he was skipped over when it came to inheriting Phoenix, who typically went to the first son of the Archduke. Sorry I wrote so much but I love your videos dude, keep up the good work. I know there's a lot of assumptions here but these are the theories I've formed after watching these trailers and your videos so lmk what you think.
The power of friendship line I have a feeling is gonna hit harder here than most because we’ll see a good portion of them die over the course of the game further pushing Clive to make their sacrifices worth something
21:27 I love story narration framed from a book. Heavensward might be the most recent one to do this and makes sense XVI trying to do it as well given they have the same writer. But let's not forget the OG to do it; FF Tactics' story was being framed/narrated off of the _Durrai Papers_ which were documents/books that not only recounts the tale of how _The War of the Lions_ was ended by King Delita, but also how the act of the real hero behind the scenes contributed greatly in saving the land which the main narrative of the game follows. This was a game by Yasumi Matsuno; Maehiro, XVI's writer was a part of that team that made FFTactics.
Great video! I enjoy your theories and you trying to map out the event timeline. From what I heard, Yoshi P said that the trailers so far reveal little information in a jp interview I think or picture radio station. So I wonder how much of the event that you map out which make sense to me at least, happen later than 6 hrs in the game as one of the previewer mention that about 80% which is an estimate, in the trailers happens around the first 6 hrs of gameplay 😂.
So we know that the Benedikta/Garuda fight is about 5-7 hours into the game, from the devs as a source. With that said if you go back to my story video the order of events really havent changed much. So anything regarding Hugo, Barnabus, or Dion I would say are past the first 6 hours. With that said I also dont think anything I just talked about is further than maybe 60% through the game. So I think there's a lot of stuff that we havent seen AT ALL, and from I think he's right that the vast majority of the footage theyve shown is very early on. Honestly I dont think I know much about the story beyond like 10-12 hours which is my guess for the Hugo fight.
@@thalwegg6535 Clive and Jill looked older so they already have a huge negative reputation for obvious reasons. I don’t know but I think this the first time Barnabus is taking action and intercepts their ship mad ash
I think the Dominant of Leviathan created a rift in the ocean and is serving Barnabas. The ships that Clive's group takes kind of also allude to a sea Leviathan boss battle. In all honesty, I believe a Shiva vs. Leviathan battle is more reasonable because Ifrit can't fly over the ocean while Shiva can and her freezing powers will be useful in fighting Leviathan.
Great video as always! In terms of what we see at 3:16, there was a post on the FFXVI subreddit that basically confirms this. You can see that exact spot in the background of some footage of Clive exploring the Hideaway. Also in terms of Dion in the part of the Dominance trailer you pointed out, I was wondering if you thought the voice line in that part of the trailer was Dion or not (specifically the whole "the chaos you would wreak" line). To me, I think it may be a younger Dion from before the initial timeskip, since it sounds different from his voice lines in the Salvation trailer, but still to me seems like Dion is the best fit. But just curious on your thoughts.
Yeah I thought it was extremely likely that it was the hideaway, I just usually shy away from speaking in absolutes unless it really is 100%. As for Dion I am fairly sure it's Dion. Again I don't like to speak in absolutes but it really sounds like Dion to me. Plus I think it'd be weird to edit the trailer the way they did if it wasn't Dion.
The line to me sounds very much like he is speaking to some form of higher being. I've heard very similar lines in ff14 too but wont say more because of spoilers. Like I said it could potentially just be someone like Barnabus or the emperor, but I think it's most likely some hidden god-like figure.
Potentially! I still haven't entirely decided if I want to do my first playthrough just on my own or if I'd try to stream it on the channel. Right now I'm leaning first playthrough on my own, then maybe doing a FF mode run or something like that.
Woops! Definitely changes the meaning of the sentence. That said at least my comments on barnabus in that section wouldn't really change, so at least I didn't give bad info after that.
Potentially, I think it depends on how much background lore there is to uncover. I'll also probably give my impressions of the game too after I play through it and I will make some more one off videos maybe discussing elements that I like or didnt like.
Yeah I think I discussed the ship in the pax video since I believe that's where it first showed up. Also yes, we will 1000% have an airship, just as they've been saying it won't be like the old games where it plays some function in world map exploration, it will just be a narrative device
Slight correction. He isn't talking to Benedikta. I believe he said Benedikta told him they share the same dream and he would be the king of the world.
Huh, I definitely could've misremembered. That said even in English to me it sounds like he is speaking to the person he shared a dream with since it's, "We shared a dream. I would be king of the world!" Could be editing, but if it's an unedited line then that to me implies he's speaking to the person he shared the dream with, which would be Benedikta.
@@elizabethclarke4981 I think there's a way to potentially write it in a not weird way depending, I just don't see the devs taking it in that direction at all. Plus yeah I think without good writing it'd be weird so it's a risk too
16:47 I think its the sun and not the moon for 2 reasons: 1) No red dot next to it 2) sun lens affects If it is the sun and it is clearly dark/night time then we must be in space.
My counterpoint, the light of the moon is just reflected sunlight so you would still get the effect if the moon was as bright as it appears to be. Plus we dont see the red dot because it's so bright that it hides the nearby stars. Something I actually cut from the video is the thought that the flower that we see bloom is blooming at dusk and all the combat scenes are at night. So I think that the flower and the moon are somehow linked, and that's the reason why the moon is as unbelievably bright as it is.
@@thalwegg6535 It doesn't really hides the stars in its surroundings, you can see stars being visible very close to the moon/sun. I can see the red dot being just behind the moon being blocked by the moon. About the sun lens, it is possible what you are saying I guess we would just have to wait and see. About the point that the battle with behemoth was happening in crystalline dominion is true but that doesn't mean we cant travel into space in this heated fight, phoenix looks like a ballistic missile in this shot and not flapping his wings. We do see the flower crumble when the day breaks so either its the moon/flower link you were talking about or Clive managed to destroy it, its just took him the whole night.
Yeah I would agree its possible they could fly up into a low orbit or something like that during the fight. I just dont see this being some like deep space battle. Also I'm a big fan of theories about potentially leaving the planet, so I wont say we will never go to space, it was more that in this particular case based on what we know about the phoenix bahamut fight I'd be very surprised if it was in space. Also even if it's just coincidence that it takes the whole night for Clive I want to say that they chose the Dusk/Dawn timing very deliberately and as I keep echoing the moon symbolically I think it going to be extremely important. Also when we found out this week that Yonezu wrote the main theme after playing the whole game in an interview yesterday I think that really supports the idea, given he titled the song Moongazing.
I'm very curious about 'FATE'. seem like it is very important, and Clive is Child of Fate, It's seem like story about defy fate that suppose to happen but Clive try to change. Maybe somehow Dominants will go mad become monster like Dark Eikon, Like we seen Lost Titan. and maybe Typhon is first example to go madness and Clive need to stop before become 'Lost'?. The Fallen Lore make me very curious.
Ah yes, Final Fantasy and fate go together like peanut butter and jelly. I think almost every FF I can think of off the top of my head addresses "Fate" one way or another. Im sure there will be sprinkles of fate all around this entry, we already know about the mothercrystals and fighting back against this idea that theyre beneficial. There's also smaller things like Clive was fated to be phoenix's dominant but instead it was inherited by his brother. But yeah overall I think the crystals, the dominants and most likely the fallen/the gods will play major roles.
Yeah I was really excited when I noticed that as I remember people talking about the book back when Ambition was new, but I think people haven't really gone back to check since I haven't noticed anything on it either. Both the torch symbol and the different ages were completely new info to me.
@@thalwegg6535 before watching your breakdown, I thought the design on the book fit within the design of Odin's mask. I still think it looks like a figure and not a symbol though.
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What a fantastic analysis!
Thanks man, glad to see you stop by.
Well well well.... Fancy seeing YOU here NSP.
Ever since the trailer drop, your video was the one I'm anticipating the most.
Thank you! Always glad to hear it
I agree, his stuff is all very plausible feeling. Even if it ends up being wrong, it won’t be because anything he said was far fetched, that’s the reason I like his videos, they are all feasible and that matters to me.
The “we don’t need your salvation” line is probably towards Barnabas. Barnabas’ lines so far and his character description make it seem like he thinks he’s the shepherd who’s going to save the sheep and lead them “unto tomorrow” as he’s said before. We know he also wants the crystals gone, just in a different way. The JP version of “your efforts will avail us not” is more along the lines of “the way you’re doing this will save no one”
Yeah i could definetly see Barnabus having a little bit of a god complex, thinking he's the only one that can save the world. But I imagine that with that salvation comes some price which isn't worth the "salvation"
Thalwegg my goat, been waiting for a new vid since the previews.
Yeah took a little longer than I wanted it to, but it also ended up longer that I thought it would. Glad you enjoy my videos though!
I've been waiting so long for this video you just made my sick day so much better
Thank you so much. Hope you feel better soon!
It seems like we've seen a lot, with all the footage that's been shared, but there are still so many questions. I'm really intrigued by all these characters and their goals and relationships. June 22 can't come soon enough.
Damn, I got shivers with the book thing. Your videos are always so good!
Thank you!
"I was forced to kill but you chose to" is a weird thing to say to Clive as Jill seems to be the most consistent (not torgal) party member so Jill fights most of the same fights as clive
New ff16 game play confirms that is the empire's mother crystal and CID had fought with bahamumut in the past inside of the empires mother
Crystal
I can't believe I've missed out on this channel for so long. I cannot wait to see your post launch content, especially that revolving around the lore. A new lore daddy approaches, everyone!
When Clive rips through the Iron Kingdom Crystal there are orange cracks in the space around it, very similar to the blue cracks around Typhon when he is impaled by Ramuh’s staff. You can also see through those blue cracks in the Typhon face close up and see the blue Crystal area. Strong evidence that the crystals are hiding parasitic monsters either behind an illusion or in another dimension. Also looks like Cid gets hurt striking the blue Crystal so he transforms into Ramuh, strikes the Crystal again, revealing Typhon.
Very interesting theories! I always saw the effects around the crystal as just that, special effects. Maybe some aether coming off the crystal as it's being destroyed. But I like where your head is at, I think its very likely the fallen and the crystals are linked so I could see something like this being true potentially.
How do you not have more subscribers?! This was great!
Thank you!
@@thalwegg6535 No thank you!
Spear out of portal could be Odin's Gungnir, looks kinda like water in the background, maybe it's Barnabas cleaving the sea leading to the seabed scene.
It looks like clives sword. Also when Ifrit is fighting Odin he has a big sword if you look closely
Always love watching your videos.
Yay new video! I’ll add to this comment as I watch. They’re saying all they’ve shown so far is from the first 6 hours of the game, which is so amazing to me if it’s true. Think of all that we have in store for us!!
I feel like Dion is being used as a tool and lied to about what he is being used for. Like he is being told that what he is doing is good, but really it’s bad and he is too naive to know. I feel like he is in for a reckoning when he realizes how he’s been being misled and used because what he actually has done is against his morals. What happens after could be anything, he could deal with it rationally or emotionally, to dire consequences.
I feel like the crystals can bloom, maybe as a defense mechanism?
17:08 interesting that the red star/planetoid/thing isn’t visible here. I feel it may be a red herring, but maybe not who knows!
19:01 I fully believe Clive is special in some way that allows him to wound, or destroy, the mother crystals.
21:26 absolutely! I think it will be framed by someone reading and recounting the tale from some point in the future.
Thanks for the video/s, they’ve all been great. I hope you continue to make videos after it’s released as well. I appreciate your perspective on this game and I imagine I’ll enjoy your thoughts on other things as well. Cheers!
Thanks for the support! Yeah another person brought up the missing red star, i personally think its just because the moon is so bright that you cant see the stars immediately around it. That said he brought up that it could be a different celestial body like the sun or something like that, and that it could in fact be taking place in space.
Also for the blooming crystal I'm pretty sure its the rebirth of a crystal, which would be super cool.
Even if you choose not to stream your first go of the game, hope you'll keep a recording of your playthrough and upload it after :) Will be fun to see your reactions to getting your theories confirmed or denied.
A lot of Clive’s lines in this trailer sound like something Ashe would have said to the Occuria.
Yeah! That's a good example of ancient god-like race that is controlling everything behind the scenes which final fantasy is oh so famous for.
I’m case I’m right (I’m not), I’d like to say that I know absolutely nothing beyond the demo and these fantastic analysis’s.
I think it’d be really interesting if the Blight is due to the previous civilization trapping the Eikons to the mother crystals, thus removing their inherent presence in the world and allowing the Blight to eventually spread. Since the Eikons are connected to the mother crystals, it makes sense that attacking them kills the Eikon. That’s where Ifrit comes in. In a twist of fate, Ifrit isn’t bound to any mother crystal, and so is able to destroy them and the other Eikons without reservation, allowing their “spirit” to return to the world. It will be a huge fit blow to humanity who has come to rely on the convenience of these powers, but a huge boon for the world, whose natural elemental guardians have returned.
On your theory about potentially someone in the future is reading the events of the game in a book, I just wanna point out that a similar narrative device was used in FF Tactics with the whole story of the game being revealed from the Durai Papers. I would not be surprised if a similar narrative device is used in this game seeing as YoshiP is a fan of Mastuno's work. As well the similarity with the Heavensward book you pointed out being a narrative device already used in FFXIV
If the Fallen are an ancient alien civilization, I think it's possible Clive is one of the Fallen, or an ancestor of them, which is why he's able to destroy the mothercrystals. I think this may be why they called the title "Moongazing", he's looking back to where he originated from, because the phrase moongazing often has an implication of longing or want, and I almost certainly think we will end up going there at some point. I'm not sure if this is accurate or not but the shot of Clive vs. the Megaflares and the focus on the super bright moon may indicate that the Moon may be getting brighter as we destroy the crystals, almost as if it's charging up or accumulating more energy. This may tie back in to how Barnabas thinks it's pointless that Clive is destroying the crystals, since he may be privy to something about their "true" purpose.
In one of the interviews one of the directors likened the crystals to essentially being oil fields or an energy resource. We also don't know much about the Blight, but my theory is that the Blight spreads as the energy of the crystals is consumed, almost as some sort of waste byproduct (maybe a metaphor for pollution or destroying the planet or nations waging wars over natural resources). This might tie in with the voiceline between Jill and possibly Dion? where the male voice says,"You mean to tell me the mothercrystals are why the world is dying?" Later when she says,"I was forced to kill, you do it by choice!" I think she could actually be speaking to Dion even, in that while he has a moral compass, he still willingly chooses to go through with his actions despite questioning them.
Perhaps they're draining Valisthea of its energy, thus allowing the Fallen to return as the real enemies in the latter half of the game. I also find it interesting that when we see the shots of the moon, we almost always see the red star-looking body next to it. To me it looks like a fading star, kinda what red giants look like when they've consumed most of their energy. I think this could be foreshadowing to what could happen to Valisthea and the planet if Clive isn't able to save the world. We've also seen a Dragoon-like enemy in the trailers called the "Knight of the Dying Sun" and I think this title is a little too much of a coincidence given all the shots of the moon+fading star. Perhaps the Fallen have been using the crystals to siphon energy for their own purposes, then something/someone (ancestor of Clive/Ifrit's original Dominant) did something to make their civilization collapse and fall down to Valisthea. Perhaps the mothercrystals were literally parts of the moon that fell down to Valisthea as debris.
Barnabas says when he slashes Clive,"And thus is the light of hope severed" and I think it's interesting he's calling him "the Light of Hope", which doesn't sound so much as a title bestowed to him by the people, since we see in this trailer that the crew's/Clive's actions to destroy the crystals are not really wanted by the general populace. It sounds more like a title, perhaps a prophecy or something (tying in with the themes of fate we've seen thus far). This also might tie in with how the voice at the end of one of the trailer's (perhaps the hooded man) says,"Awaken oh child of fate.. Awaken.. Ifrit." I think they're referring to the same thing about Clive here, in that his arrival and being the one to awaken Ifrit, who was previously an unknown Eikon, whereas the others, such as Phoenix, have been known about and acquired through various means. Clive already possessing Ifrit might be why he was skipped over when it came to inheriting Phoenix, who typically went to the first son of the Archduke.
Sorry I wrote so much but I love your videos dude, keep up the good work. I know there's a lot of assumptions here but these are the theories I've formed after watching these trailers and your videos so lmk what you think.
The power of friendship line I have a feeling is gonna hit harder here than most because we’ll see a good portion of them die over the course of the game further pushing Clive to make their sacrifices worth something
21:27
I love story narration framed from a book.
Heavensward might be the most recent one to do this and makes sense XVI trying to do it as well given they have the same writer.
But let's not forget the OG to do it; FF Tactics' story was being framed/narrated off of the _Durrai Papers_ which were documents/books that not only recounts the tale of how _The War of the Lions_ was ended by King Delita, but also how the act of the real hero behind the scenes contributed greatly in saving the land which the main narrative of the game follows.
This was a game by Yasumi Matsuno; Maehiro, XVI's writer was a part of that team that made FFTactics.
Yeah I think it's a cool narrative tool. If we do have a narrator I wonder who it will be.
Dude. Your analysis is so good. Titan lost maybe needed notification maybe hugo lost control and get powered up......uintentionally
Been looking forward to you’re videos on the trailer love you’re theory and really excited for demo and game when the come out
Great video! I enjoy your theories and you trying to map out the event timeline. From what I heard, Yoshi P said that the trailers so far reveal little information in a jp interview I think or picture radio station. So I wonder how much of the event that you map out which make sense to me at least, happen later than 6 hrs in the game as one of the previewer mention that about 80% which is an estimate, in the trailers happens around the first 6 hrs of gameplay 😂.
So we know that the Benedikta/Garuda fight is about 5-7 hours into the game, from the devs as a source. With that said if you go back to my story video the order of events really havent changed much. So anything regarding Hugo, Barnabus, or Dion I would say are past the first 6 hours. With that said I also dont think anything I just talked about is further than maybe 60% through the game. So I think there's a lot of stuff that we havent seen AT ALL, and from I think he's right that the vast majority of the footage theyve shown is very early on. Honestly I dont think I know much about the story beyond like 10-12 hours which is my guess for the Hugo fight.
I speculate that Clive and Jill are at the bottom of the ocean because Barnabus actually cuts the sea in half
It definitely looks like it based on the trailer footage we've seen! I think he's searching for something down there... no idea what though.
@@thalwegg6535 Clive and Jill looked older so they already have a huge negative reputation for obvious reasons. I don’t know but I think this the first time Barnabus is taking action and intercepts their ship mad ash
I assumed the “We shared a dream” line was Barnabas, not Hugo, considering it sounds like both Benedikta and Cid were helping him at some point.
I would say that to me that is almost assuredly Hugo's voice. Barnabas sounds a lot more muted with his voice tone compared to Hugo.
Thank you love the analysis!
I think the Dominant of Leviathan created a rift in the ocean and is serving Barnabas. The ships that Clive's group takes kind of also allude to a sea Leviathan boss battle. In all honesty, I believe a Shiva vs. Leviathan battle is more reasonable because Ifrit can't fly over the ocean while Shiva can and her freezing powers will be useful in fighting Leviathan.
You did an awsome job well said and explained
Thank you!
Great video as always! In terms of what we see at 3:16, there was a post on the FFXVI subreddit that basically confirms this. You can see that exact spot in the background of some footage of Clive exploring the Hideaway. Also in terms of Dion in the part of the Dominance trailer you pointed out, I was wondering if you thought the voice line in that part of the trailer was Dion or not (specifically the whole "the chaos you would wreak" line). To me, I think it may be a younger Dion from before the initial timeskip, since it sounds different from his voice lines in the Salvation trailer, but still to me seems like Dion is the best fit. But just curious on your thoughts.
Yeah I thought it was extremely likely that it was the hideaway, I just usually shy away from speaking in absolutes unless it really is 100%. As for Dion I am fairly sure it's Dion. Again I don't like to speak in absolutes but it really sounds like Dion to me. Plus I think it'd be weird to edit the trailer the way they did if it wasn't Dion.
@@thalwegg6535 Agreed, thank you as always for your thoughts!
good analysis as always
Thank you!
I feel like the line of salvation that Clive says is actually to the God or to the mother crystals themselves
It could be? Idk
The line to me sounds very much like he is speaking to some form of higher being. I've heard very similar lines in ff14 too but wont say more because of spoilers. Like I said it could potentially just be someone like Barnabus or the emperor, but I think it's most likely some hidden god-like figure.
Great vid as always. Will you be doing a playthrough on the channel?
Potentially! I still haven't entirely decided if I want to do my first playthrough just on my own or if I'd try to stream it on the channel. Right now I'm leaning first playthrough on my own, then maybe doing a FF mode run or something like that.
New sub fantastic video.
Im pretty sure barbabas says “ever led astray” not, “never”
You are right.
"Ever led astray by your blind resolve, and thus is the light of hope severed."
Woops! Definitely changes the meaning of the sentence. That said at least my comments on barnabus in that section wouldn't really change, so at least I didn't give bad info after that.
Do you plan on making lore vids on the game when it releases?
Potentially, I think it depends on how much background lore there is to uncover. I'll also probably give my impressions of the game too after I play through it and I will make some more one off videos maybe discussing elements that I like or didnt like.
@@thalwegg6535 cool
It'd be interesting to get your perspective
Anything on the ship with the engines on it? Think we will see a airship. Even if we don’t freely use it
Yeah I think I discussed the ship in the pax video since I believe that's where it first showed up. Also yes, we will 1000% have an airship, just as they've been saying it won't be like the old games where it plays some function in world map exploration, it will just be a narrative device
@@thalwegg6535 thanks so much for the in-depth videos and for replying. appreciate it
20:41 that's Carbuncle on Vivian's neck dress and a ruby on her ribbon above.
Good catch! Idk if ive seen anyone else mention that before? But I've never noticed it that's for sure.
Whats that?
@@bobabola3399 carbuncle is a recurring summon in final fantasy, it looks a little bit like a fennic fox and usually has a jewel in its forehead.
I just want Barnaby to do a Moses and split the sea
Slight correction. He isn't talking to Benedikta. I believe he said Benedikta told him they share the same dream and he would be the king of the world.
Huh, I definitely could've misremembered. That said even in English to me it sounds like he is speaking to the person he shared a dream with since it's, "We shared a dream. I would be king of the world!" Could be editing, but if it's an unedited line then that to me implies he's speaking to the person he shared the dream with, which would be Benedikta.
@@thalwegg6535 In the JP version his line was "She, Benedikta told me I would be king of the world!".
Do you think Jill will eventually be Clive's love interest?
Personally, no I dont think so.
That be kinda weird, no? I mean, they were raised as siblings 😂
@@elizabethclarke4981 I think there's a way to potentially write it in a not weird way depending, I just don't see the devs taking it in that direction at all. Plus yeah I think without good writing it'd be weird so it's a risk too
16:47 I think its the sun and not the moon for 2 reasons:
1) No red dot next to it
2) sun lens affects
If it is the sun and it is clearly dark/night time then we must be in space.
My counterpoint, the light of the moon is just reflected sunlight so you would still get the effect if the moon was as bright as it appears to be. Plus we dont see the red dot because it's so bright that it hides the nearby stars. Something I actually cut from the video is the thought that the flower that we see bloom is blooming at dusk and all the combat scenes are at night. So I think that the flower and the moon are somehow linked, and that's the reason why the moon is as unbelievably bright as it is.
@@thalwegg6535 It doesn't really hides the stars in its surroundings, you can see stars being visible very close to the moon/sun.
I can see the red dot being just behind the moon being blocked by the moon.
About the sun lens, it is possible what you are saying I guess we would just have to wait and see.
About the point that the battle with behemoth was happening in crystalline dominion is true but that doesn't mean we cant travel into space in this heated fight, phoenix looks like a ballistic missile in this shot and not flapping his wings.
We do see the flower crumble when the day breaks so either its the moon/flower link you were talking about or Clive managed to destroy it, its just took him the whole night.
Yeah I would agree its possible they could fly up into a low orbit or something like that during the fight. I just dont see this being some like deep space battle. Also I'm a big fan of theories about potentially leaving the planet, so I wont say we will never go to space, it was more that in this particular case based on what we know about the phoenix bahamut fight I'd be very surprised if it was in space.
Also even if it's just coincidence that it takes the whole night for Clive I want to say that they chose the Dusk/Dawn timing very deliberately and as I keep echoing the moon symbolically I think it going to be extremely important. Also when we found out this week that Yonezu wrote the main theme after playing the whole game in an interview yesterday I think that really supports the idea, given he titled the song Moongazing.
@@thalwegg6535 Good point about the main theme
@@thalwegg6535 Space :)
I'm very curious about 'FATE'. seem like it is very important, and Clive is Child of Fate, It's seem like story about defy fate that suppose to happen but Clive try to change.
Maybe somehow Dominants will go mad become monster like Dark Eikon, Like we seen Lost Titan. and maybe Typhon is first example to go madness and Clive need to stop before become 'Lost'?.
The Fallen Lore make me very curious.
Ah yes, Final Fantasy and fate go together like peanut butter and jelly. I think almost every FF I can think of off the top of my head addresses "Fate" one way or another. Im sure there will be sprinkles of fate all around this entry, we already know about the mothercrystals and fighting back against this idea that theyre beneficial. There's also smaller things like Clive was fated to be phoenix's dominant but instead it was inherited by his brother. But yeah overall I think the crystals, the dominants and most likely the fallen/the gods will play major roles.
Background music?
Final Fantasy 13 Lightning Returns soundtrack music
Is it possible that Barnabas and Clive are related?
I would be surprised, but I wouldn't say it's impossible. Definitely would be a twist.
@@thalwegg6535 Also, you are the first I've seen to mention anything about the book let alone there being 2 different ones.
Yeah I was really excited when I noticed that as I remember people talking about the book back when Ambition was new, but I think people haven't really gone back to check since I haven't noticed anything on it either. Both the torch symbol and the different ages were completely new info to me.
@@thalwegg6535 before watching your breakdown, I thought the design on the book fit within the design of Odin's mask. I still think it looks like a figure and not a symbol though.
Does anybody else think that looks too much like Eos?
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