Back when we had a Disney store at our mall, they had a big Lucifer plushie that went unsold for quite some time before I finally bought him; the lady at the register seemed amazed that he was being taken home. He's REALLY soft.
ironically he's named after the angel that becomes Satan. either before or while God was shaping the universe, Lucifer becomes envious of God's position or in Paradise Lost, he's envious that he was passed over for The Son or Jesus. either way, he convinces most of the angels in Heaven to rebel which results in them falling to Hell and the plan now being to corrupt God's creation of humanity. you can say Lucifer in the movie was acting a little...devilish.
I'll never forget how intense the stepsisters tearing off Cinderella's clothing was, as the colors of the background intensify for the mood of the scene from oranges to a deeper red and how fast-paced it was going! It was easily one of the most human feelings of fear and hatred going off at the same time! Brilliant on it's execution!
I'm glad I apparently wasn't alone in being scarred by this scene as a kid. When I was little I would leave the room until it was over, and I to this day have reserves about watching it and usually skip through.
The background was deep purple, pink and dark red. Also Anastasia had a hot magenta Color of dress early in the scene but it went uncomfortably deeply purple when she tore the dress.
I remember when I was younger, I was so angry at the stepsisters for destroying her dress. But when I got older, I cried when they did that because it was literally the only thing left of her mother.
Anastasia being the nicer of the two stepsisters wasn't something that came from Ever After - several versions of the tale depict one stepsister as being nicer than the other. But it also shows another purpose - that her role is the follower. Lady Tremaine is the abuser. The one 'in charge'. Drasilla is the enabler. She's the one who enables the one in charge. Anastasia is the Follower - the one who does it for survival. Without Cindy? SHE'D be the scapegoat. Apparently, Drasilla is the older of the two. This makes sense - she's the heir. Anastasia is the spare.
I love Anastasia they took someone who was supposed to be nothing but a nasty petty girl. But then they saw potential with her character and they gave her two arcs and in two of the sequels. Give her the voice of Tress Macneille and you got a great character.
There was one version of the original tale that had one of the step sisters come to the castle after Cinderella's wedding to apologize for how her, her sister and her mother treated her all her life, and I've heard that's where the inspiration for the redemption in the sequels came from
I don't think it was properly mentioned here, but they did something very interesting to her Character in the OUAT Spin-Off centered in Wonderland. There, she ram away from her World with Will Scarlett (formerly a member of Robin Hood's Merry Men, but is her Knave of Hearts), but instead winds up becoming the Red Queen (Not the Queen of Hearts. That title went to someone else who Groomed her into taking over so she could dip out) , who forms an alliance with Jafar of Agrabah to destroy Alice and the Genie she fell in love with. ....Yeaaah. Very few fans think highly of this Spin-Off, for obvious reasons. So little, in fact, they later non-canonized it in the main series. Will is re-introduced in S4 (as though he's never left Storybrooke), Jafar is recast and stays in Agrabah (with his storyline completely starting over from scratch in S6), Wonderland is never spoken of again, with the only character from that world showing up being the Mad Hatter (who's storyline was also quickly resolved early on, since his Actor got transported to the MCU). EDIT: So this was mentioned a bit in the Wonderland vid on this Channel, but I'd figure I go ahead and give a little more detail, coming from someone who has watched this series up until the end of S5.
“As odd and fanfiction-y as this sounds, it actually came together pretty nicely and was surprisingly enjoyable in its own right.” **shows the infamous clip of Charming yeeting himself out the window**
Seriously, I have to say Tremaine and maleficent could almost be sisters if they didn't live in different time periods. Heck, I think she could have been her fairy godmother even. Tremaine along with Frollo, Mother Gothel, and even Hans and Ernesto de la Cruz. are really human villains found in real life. As said before, you won't encounter an evil wizard or witch but you can encounter abusers, murdering opportunists, and manipulators of all kinds. And anyone who says that Cinderella could escape never faced what power abusers have over others.
I feel like the same goes for the Wizard in "Wicked," because he's a corrupt politician who uses propaganda and unlike Madame Morrible, he doesn't have any powers. Not Disney, but also a realistic villain
I don't understand why people complain about the fairy tails' happy ending. They are unreal to us, because the whole point of a fairy tail is to be unreal. Besides, most of them are well deserved reward, just like in the case of Cinderella. The only happy ending that I dislike for being too good is the Tremaines dying of the bomb. No amount of goodness in Cinderella's heart can earn such a happy ending. No mortal can do it either.
Disney also didn't "Bowdlerise" it - in the "original version", the stepsisters did not lose their eyes. For one, Disney adapted the Charles Perrault version - which was already old news when the Brothers Grimm were born. (Says so right there on the title screen people!) The Brothers Grimm version has no FAiry Godmother - the closest is the tree planted on the Brith Mother's grave. The "original" version of Cinderella was either the Greek version or the Chinese version.
@@Terestrasz Thank you! That’s the big picture here. Disney adapts these movies based on their favorite “versions” of the classic fairytales. Disney may have monopolized on this particular set of stories, but they were far from the first, or the last, to revamp them.
@@philipkippel3615 I go with what he says in the video on the subject: fans can decide for themselves what is and isn't canon. Whatever floats their boat.
These should be their punishments. Lady Tremaine: Death by Hanging. Historically speaking this is the worst way to die for nobility. Usually if a noble or royal is to be executed for whatever reason, they usually got beheaded by sword or axe or in later years, shot by firing squad. Hanging was for common criminals. Drizella: Life Without Parole. Bad but not to the level of her mother and thus not quite justified in hanging her alongside her mother. Life Without Parole is the next best thing. Anastasia: Flogging and Banishment. Her reversal of course taken into account but some kind of punishment must be given. Six dozen lashes and being banished is more than fair and all things considered, she gets off lightly. It's much better than the rest of her life in prison or worse, the gallows and the rope
When I was a kid I noticed that Cinderella looked a lot like my mom if she was drawn in the Disney art style. When my parents divorced my mom had to clean peoples' houses to support herself as well as me and my brother while she put herself through nursing school, while also having to contend with a vindictive ex-husband, who happened to be my dad. I've often said that her story was like Cinderella's if she was a single mother of two, contending with a vindictive ex-husband. Things changed when she met the man who would become my stepdad, who was like the prince if he had more agency.
Lady Tremaine is absolutely terrifying to me, especially in the third Cinderella movie. There’s something about the idea of this woman continuing to try and ruin Cinderella’s life even beyond the first happy ending that genuinely freaks me out even as an adult. Also I hate Lucifer so much and it is because of that dumb, very tedious level in that disney princess GBA game! It took so long to complete that level since it was dependent on Lucifer spawning. Every time I see that cat, he just fills me with 10 year old me’s rage.
Lady Tremaine was much scarier to me in the 3rd movie than the original for the reasons you said. What’s maddening is that she had a magical wand, with no limits, and she could have used the magic to improve her family’s life. Conjuring up an army of servants, beautifully restore the crumbling chateau, wishing up a constant flow of money all come to mind. Heck, she could have taken the “Ali Ababwa” approach and use the wand to make one or both of her daughters “royal enough” to catch the eye of a prince from another kingdom. But instead of doing any of that, Lady Tremaine tries to undo Cinderella’s happy ending, because this woman was never going to be happy as long as Cinderella was happy.
Anastasia is an underrated character. Also it's annoying how Disney takes minor characters and makes them egregiously evil/useless for live-action remakes.
Probably the best part of the CGI remake of Lion King was giving the hyenas proper respect as animals and I appreciate the extra effort it went to show that Shenzi was THE boss of her pack, since hyenas are matriarchal, and she wasn't nearly as cowed by Scar. You never really got any sense of her status in the original since she wasn't written with that fact in mind.
@The Dark Overlord I only got the sense she was the brains of the operation. That doesn't always make someone the boss. Plenty of examples in other media. The Leader and the Smart Guy can be two different characters.
It's so fascinating that Tremaine is seen as so frightening and one of Disney's best villains, when in practice all she is is a cruel stepmother. She's not a witch, or a queen, a demon, she's just an awful scary woman. That's the power of execution.
Actually several years back, Disney releases a book series called “Fun-to-Read” for kids. Volume 6 “the ugly Stepsisters,” plot is similar to 1st version. Cinderella invites her step family for a visit. As usual, Lay Termaine, Lucifer, and the step sisters cause trouble. Trying to be nice Cinderella throws a surprise ball for her family (helping them to find new husbands). Sadly it backfires since her Stepfamily purposely ruin it, thinking that Cinderella was trying to show off. Leaving all of them shocked and miserable due to the fact that they had ruined their chance for a “Happily Ever After.” How ironic
disney gets a lot of complaints for sanitize dark elements from old stories, what they fail to realize is that as being done even before disney or like in this case the "sanitize" version is the original
I agree, apart from that fact the Perrault version wasn’t the original either. The story is thousand of years old like the video said, we will never hear the “original” if there was just one because it wasn’t written down and the story has changed in telling. Both the Perrault and Grimm versions are just some oral versions they heard and recorded that they put their own own thoughts in too probably in writing.
I think the fact that we don't see what happens to the Tremaines is probably the most realistic part of the abuse analogy. Sometimes the best revenge is not letting your abuser live rent free in your head anymore. Cinderella is no longer giving them ANY attention, which is ultimately the worst thing you can do to a family of narcissists.
I have to say Lady Tremaine is one of the scariest Disney villains. One, because like he said, she is the most relatable, a regular human. A human that abuses her stepdaughter big time. She turns her into a slave. She is willing to get innocent people hurt and even killed(tripping the man carrying the glass slipper), to get what she wants. I have taken a notice to the start of the story. "Still the father thought he needed a mother's love, so he remarried." Knowing her, she only married him for the wealth and lifestyle, which leads to point two. "It was the untimely death of the man." Think about those words, untimely and death. She had something to do with his dying. Last, while other Disney villains are pretty scary like Jafar, most of these villains just can't happen in real life, where sadly people like Lady Tremaine can and has happened, which, in my opinion, makes her the most scariest.
The end to the BBS boss fight always cracks me up. The sudden comeuppance, Aqua's monotone, Cinderelly's blank stare, the "darkness in their hearts" bs when they were clearly blown to bits... Like, how can you not laugh?
I definitely chuckled when I used that clip. The biggest laugh I ever got from a Kingdom Hearts game was Simba's reaction to Mufasa's death in KHII. He looks like he's got a big dopey smile as he watches his dad get tramples.
As much as I love Willa Holland (Aqua's VA), she doesn't make for a good voice actress. She's a much better in-person actress (see her performance as Thea Queen in CW's Arrow). It took a while for me to warm up to Aqua due to her slightly lacking performance. She got plenty right, but the rest of the time she sounded rather...dead-pan. I felt bad for laughing at that line, but to this day, I still can't help myself.
@@Raxel1447 tbh you could say that about more than just her. Lol for some of the voice acting in those games, I genuinely don’t know what they were thinking when they hired them. Lmaooo that’s a lot of what makes up those funny compilations of Kingdom Hearts moments. Just voice acting where I think they tried their best but they just weren’t up to par. Honestly I think a lot of the background characters have better voice acting than like, Sora, Kairi, and Roxas, for example. Even with their voice acting not being great though, I wouldn’t trade them. It wouldn’t be KH without them. Too nostalgic.
Funny thing, TV Tropes mentions that the stepfamily may have become Heartless after the Unversed boss kills them. Now, they’re doomed to become EXP for Sora, or some other protagonist.
It's so shocking just HOW QUICK the dress scene is. If you listen to the score in various soundtracks, I think it only clocks in around 10 seconds?? AND YET, it feels like a lifetime because you know from the minute she walks down those stairs, exactly how this is going to end. Cinderella is ready, and she's not going to go, SOMEHOW. I also like how her calling, please wait for me, parallels the ending. This movie is full of parallels.
Getting they're eyes poked out by birds was a much tamer fate than what the Vietnamese version of Cinderella did to them. In that version, Cinderella kills the stepsisters and makes them into a stew. She feeds it to her stepmother and is complimented for the stew tasting good. That is until the stepmother sees a skull in the bowl and dies of shock.
The concept of Franco de Fortunato is brilliant. An evil fairy godmother (or father?) is always fascinating to me and it makes me wish he was in the third movie as the one who granted Tremaine her wand to make her dream come true. Speaking of which, I love everything about the third movie and how it explores the toxic relationship Tremaine had will ALL her daughters, not just Cinderella. Drizella and Anastasia are just as much victims of the abuse as Cindy was just not in an obvious way. Anastasia really came into her own person in the second and third movies. Her makeover in the second shows that she was always beautiful in her own way, she just needed to step away from Tremaine’s influence. It effectively makes you hate Tremaine more in how she developmentally stunted her own daughters’ growth. One of my favourite Disney villain redemption arcs.
Just like Rapunzel, another victim of an abusive mother figure, the best thing for Anastasia was getting away from her mother. I’d like to think that if there was a 4th Cinderella movie (or an animated spin-off series), maybe Drizella could find her own redemption arc by getting away from Lady Tremaine too.
Before talking about the villains, I'd just like to speak for a moment about Cinderella as a whole. For a while I shared probably the most common opinion of the character and this movie, that it's shallow and that Cinderella is boring. In recent years I've kind of turned around on that; I instead find Cinderella rather compelling in terms of being a person trapped via circumstances. People complain that she doesn't do anything in the movie, but only because there wasn't that much she could do. This is her home, she doesn't appear to have anyone else to turn to, so she tries to make the most of her horrible situation. In this day and age, as more and more people feel trapped by their financial situation, making difficult decisions and having almost not way out of the horrible predicament they're in, I feel like there would be a lot of people who could relate to Cinderella's struggles, especially given that every time she tries to find something good in her life, she's constantly pushed back down. Sure, the idea that a Fairy Godmother comes along and makes all her dreams come true isn't really applicable in real life, but then again, that's the whole point of wish-fulfillment, isn't it? I don't think wish-fulfillment movies are necessarily a bad thing, we just need to keep a cool head about it, recognize that it's good catharsis to have stories like this while remaining rational about the reality of our own real-life problems. Indeed, I think Disney's desire to tell feel-good stories like this rooted in that very line of thinking (something that's explored a bit in the movie Saving Mr. Banks). As for the villains of Cinderella, starting the "wicked stepmother" Lady Tremaine, I think what's compelling about her is, much like Cinderella herself, the circumstances surrounding her. She was a widow who married Cinderella's father, but after he died, she revealed that she was apparently jealous that she looked better than her own daughters, Anastasia and Drizella, and for that supposed crime, Lady Tremaine proceeded to make Cinderella's life as miserable as possible. It wasn't enough for her to to be emotionally abusive to Cinderella and to make Cinderella a slave in her own house, Lady Tremaine also robbed Cinderella of any chance at potential happiness and escape for this terrible life. It's this excessive cruelty, coupled with her older yet dignified look and how she's performed and animated that really make a great villain, at least in my eyes. Fascinating, though, that she doesn't get any comeuppance for her actions, we just get one last shocked look on her face when she sees Cinderella has the other glass slipper and that's it. Perhaps the message was that it doesn't matter what happens to Lady Tremaine and her two daughters, that Cinderella can finally put that life behind her and move on to better things. Of course, the direct-to-video sequels undermined that a bit, but they do get bonus points for showing how selfish Lady Tremaine really is. She seemed to care about her daughters in the first movie, though there were hints that she was mostly using them as a means to increase her social status, wanting them to marry the Prince in order to essentially become royalty. This gets proven when she disapproves of Anastasia wanting a relationship with a poor baker in Cinderella II, and putting Anastasia in Cinderella's as the person who fit the glass slipper in Cinderella III... which, by the way, while most of the Disney sequels kind of suck, it's amazing how buck-wild the third Cinderella movie ended up being, with Lady Tremaine stealing the Fairy Godmother's magic wand and messing with the timeline to her advantage. I don't know if it's a good movie, or if it's even consistent with the first movie in terms of its characterization for characters like the King, but it's still a surprisingly entertaining watch. There's not much to say about Anastasia and Drizella, they are basically agents of Lady Tremaine to help make sure Cinderella suffers as much as possible (without outright beating her at least). In fact, my children's literature professor in college had us watch this movie and pointed out how the two are essentially the same character, pointing out the moment where they talk simultaneously specifically to demonstrate this fact. So it's kind of interesting how the people who wrote the two sequels decided that Anastasia actually isn't as bad as Drizella and gave her a redemption arc. Not sure why they went with that, but it worked out (kind of). I will say this, though, Cinderella is awfully forgiving of the years of abuse from her stepsister in the sequels, in particular the moment where she rips apart Cinderella's dress right before leaving for the ball sticks out in my mind. Lastly there's Lucifer, and it's embarrassing for me to admit this, but it wasn't until my children's lit professor pointed out the significance of the name "Lucifer" did I actually make that connection to the cat. He certainly is a bad cat, just as cruel to Cinderella as her stepmother and stepsisters... which is ironic because Cinderella actually tries to be nice to Lucifer, scolding Bruno for dreaming about chasing Lucifer, only for Lucifer to gloat over denying Cinderella the key to her locked door when catching Gus... Then again, maybe Lucifer is just salty over Cinderella struggling to find something nice to say about Lucifer. Still, Lucifer's meanness doesn't just extend to the mice in this picture, so I suppose it's only fitting how he's the only one to gets some kind of karma dealt to him, falling out the window as Bruno goes after him... of course, he somehow survives, as he shows up in the sequels. Guess he landed on his feet. :P
Lady Tremaine was always terrifying in a psychic sense, but when we see her get mor widespread power in Cinderella 3, that was when I felt she was truely horrifying. Her suddenly now gaining the power to do unto an entire kingdom what she did to Cinderella is mad creepy.
@@AnInkStick regardless, I can see why Tress McNeille chose not to voice Ana in Kingdom Hearts, because it’s a spit in the face to Perrault’s version showing Ana is less cruel than her sister and mother.
Cinderella 3 a twist in time is criminally underrated! This movie is just fabulous. I love how the Prince actually has a lot more personality in that film. I also like the boat scene a lot. Anastasia is a great character there too! The 2015 remake is also a lot of fun for me. That movie doesn’t get much proper appreciation either which to me is very sad. I think it definitely has a few cool moments. I liked Lady Tremaine in it a lot. She has a certain sassiness to her in that film. I was at a special screening of this movie at my local public library a few years ago. I was the only adult in the audience. The kids and I all cheered when Cinderella stood up to her stepmother. I Will always have a great respect for these two films!
I always see the Stepmother as a very Hitchcockian type of villain - she even looks like Mrs. Danvers from Hitchcock's Rebecca. And shots like the closeup when she narrows her eyes, and the scene of her following Cinderella up the stairs are right out of a Hitchcock suspense film.
This was an Incredible Masterpiece Video for Lady Tremaine/The Wicked Step Mother My 13th Favorite Disney Villain. My Ranking for Lady Tremaine Across Disney Media 1: Elenor Audley (1950 Cinderella Film) 2: Cate Blanchett (2015 Cinderella Film) 3: Lisa Banes (Once Upon a Time Season 6) 4: Susan Blakeslee (The Cinderella Animated Sequel Films) 5: Gabrielle Anwar (Once Upon a Time Season 7) 6: Lindo Ko (Descendants 3) 7: Jan Brandle Smith (Once Upon a Time Season 1)
I've always considered Lady Tremaine to be one of Disney's best executed villains, up there with Gothel and Frollo, and I'm glad you think she's great too! Can't wait for more of these videos
@Will N Seriously? A slump between Sleeping Beauty and Little Mermaid? What about Cruella? Edgar? Ratigan? The Horned King? Medusa? Prince John? Sykes? Shere Khan? They're all amazing villains in their own ways, some terrifying, some hilarious, some both! The Sword in the Stone is bland but Madam Mim is pretty fun and Amos Slade is a very bland villain but the others are great.
@@ColinLooksBack 0:35: Given the Disney Sequels that Cinderella would later have, does that mean Anastasia is the young stepdaughter to suggest the name "Cinderella"? That makes a lot of sense now. Also, 26:11: {All Tremaines die, and Macneille isn't voicing Anastasia} Gee, I wonder if it's because Square Enix has NO RESPECT TO THE SEQUELS, WHICH IS WHY TRESS MACNEILLE ISN'T VOICING ANA IN THE GAME!!!
The red and orange Lucifer might have have been able to keep the color consistent on the page. Similar to how they The Hulk started as a gray monster and changed to green.
Lady Tremaine is the closest thing Disney has ever done to someone like Annie Wilkes from Misery. She doesn’t have the emotional instability of Wilkes, but that incredible ability to be manipulative, yet still commanding a sense of dignity and respect… she’s creepy as hell.
18:17-18:58 I totally agree with you, man. I found it much more satisfying to finally see Lady Tremaine get a humiliating dose of physical karma after the many years of abuse she put both Cinderella and her birth daughters through (besides Drizella earning the same fate). This is what happens when you steal something that isn't yours and let power and jealousy get to your head.
i saw a Hello Kitty adaptation of the story, she obviously takes the role of Cinderella and in the special, the prince, named Stephan who might be portrayed by Dear Daniel is arguing with the king and queen, his parents about him not finding a wife. Stephan is the romantic type and wants to find someone out of love just as his parents did when they were young. during this he meets and interacts with the Fairy God Mother who also kept an eye of Cinderella/Kitty. she helps her due to the girl's kind heart.
Alice in Wonderland is going to be such a fascinating one, because, the way I see it, everyone can be considered an antagonist, but not a villain. An antagonist is someone that hinders the progress of the protagonist, and really, for the most part that's what everyone in Wonderland does, the Dodo who sets up a pointless race, the Hatter and Hare that nudge Alice around the table, the Cheshire Cat that is a total trickster, in some respects they all seem to hinder Alice. Yet, none of them seem particularly immoral, it's just who they are. Of course the Queen of Hearts can easily be seen as the baddie of the movie, unless we want to headcannon the book into the movie, but it does make sense that Disney would label the Queen as a villain. More-so than the Ringmaster.
The Tremaines, along with Lucifer also appear in the computer game 'cinderella's dollhouse ', a game in which you get to design different rooms in the castle and cottage, and the Tremaines humorously criticize your interior decorating skills. I think it's a game that a lot of people have forgotten, but I used to love playing it when I was a child.
It's a shame you didn't mention the Cinderella-adjacent/ Disney-adjacent films. Rodgers and Hammerstein's Cinderella (1997) from the Wonderful World of Disney, Confessions of an Ugly Stepsister (2002) also from the Wonderful World of Disney, Miramax's Ella Enchanted (2004) which was done whilst Disney owned Miramax, and Disney's movie version of the musical Into the Woods (2014). Having said that, I'm really enjoying these retrospectives, especially the parts about the comics because I've never read any of them so it's really interesting learning about that area of Disney!
Those might have been good ideas to mention, come to think of it. I was mostly focusing on the Tremaine versions specifically, but it's interesting to see how much Disney alone has done other Cinderella-based projects.
@@ColinLooksBack I feel like doing update videos for earlier episodes might be good, covering stuff you missed and more recent events. I feel like the first one could come after the Jungle Book villains episode.
that story of you with the stepsisters/lady tremaine sounds adorably funny(kinda imagine an animated skit with their portraits being comically drawn.:3) always loved anastasia being given a 2nd chance in the sequels.(though damn, their death in kingdom hearts was brutal.)
Lady Tremaine was truly a unique and shows you don't need a crystal ball to prove how evil someone can be! Beautiful animated! However, seeing her reaction on the end was priceless!!!
I always loved the second Cinderella as a kid. I loved the voice acting, it felt cozy, the baker is cute and yes I had a crush on him, and it’s a fun little movie. I wouldn’t say it’s a masterpiece by any means but I know I watched that move far more times than the first, personally. I liked that Anastasia actually got a personality in that movie. And she wanted to be better.
I’m interested to see how the Alice in Wonderland video comes out. Aside from the Queen of Hearts and the Walrus, who were definitely evil, it’s hard to tell whether most of the other crazy characters are truly evil. The Cheshire Cat definitely caused trouble, but he was really more of a nuisance. The Card Guards aided the Queen of Hearts, but they were terrified of getting their heads chopped off. The King of Hearts also aided the Queen, but he didn’t seem that evil to me. Every kooky character was somewhat dangerous, but they were sometimes pleasant as well (except for the Queen and the Walrus).
I wonder if the original masks for the theme park stepsisters was to protect their dignity in a way. When I first saw them it made me feel a little bad for the actresses who got cast as the "ugly" stepsisters. I could see some people being sensitive about that. The masks were too terrifying though.
Lady Tremaine is one of my favourite villains as I grew up with Cinderella 1 and 3. Because in the third film she tries to sabotage Cinderella's happy ending like the voice's saboteurs does in CBBC's Trapped, using time travel and mind control spells which would send her to Azkaban, she also reminds me of Miss Lebrun a primarily school teacher who was very similar to Lady Tremaine and treated me poorly as a kid (I can also relate to Cinderella). I also like Anastasia and Drizella as they were hilarious and even an inspiration for Verruca Salt.
You know to make it more like the og Perrault story, there'd be a redemption arc for Drizella too. Interestingly, if you pay attention in Cinderella 2, we see a look of surprise on Drizella's face after Anastasia stands up to Lady Tremaine. She's so shocked and possibly amazed she lingers back as her mother leaves. Like she's amazed her sister has such guts and is asserting herself and finding love like that. Plus as she leaves with Lady Tremaine, we see her look back as Anastasia and the baker enjoy their moment, like she's showing genuine interest towards her sister and her choices and maybe even questioning her life choices and Lady Tremaine as their mother or a person. Also in Cinderella 3, we see that her mother is giving Anastasia the perks and attention but not Drizella, even though she acts as the loyal daughter to her. We also saw a moment where Lady Tremaine threatened to get Drizella banished like she did Cinderella if she didn't keep quiet and Drizella looks genuinely scared of her.
Well if you ask me, I think I'd almost prefer Cinderella's father choosing his own daughter over his 2nd wife and stepdaughters, Cinderella forgiving her father, one stepsister cutting off her left toes and right heel, the other cutting off her left heel and right toes, both stepsisters getting married off, and the stepmother getting her eyes pecked out.
The scene that always stuck out to me from this version is where Cinderella is going to retrieve the other slipper but is acting all cocky while doing so, and the stepmom figures it out, prompting that evil glare as she follows her to lock her in her room. And whenever I think about that I think "THAT'S WHY YOU NEVER CELEBRATE EARLY YA COCKY MORON!" Sure it makes sense why she was that way seeing as she was so close, but never celebrate a victory before you're actually over the finish line. A valuable lesson to be honest.
Have u ever seem the super scary 1933 Alice in wonderland?? I just saw it and OMG, and also all I could like about is your amazing voice and videos going through it
I feel like you could’ve mentioned the TV movie of Cinderella that has Brandy and Whitney Houston, sure it was on ABC but I’m pretty sure Disney owned them in the 90s
I loved the third movie as a kid as Anastasia was written beautifully and the prince was given more lines and acted more than a plot point. And I actually love the live action movie as well
"Rodgers and Hammerstein's Cinderella", which aired on The Wonderful World of Disney in 1997, is a Disney production, but those are not the animated Disney characters. The nameless Stepmother was portrayed by Bernadette Peters and the stepsisters, named Minerva and Calliope, are played by Natalie Desselle and Veanne Cox respectively. These are not Lady Tremaine, Anastasia, and Drizella.
@@austinreed7343 I don't knoe for how they directed that scene and for Aqua and Cindarella's reaction I always thought of them just being launched away
Yes, scary also because she is quiet, slow-moving, with 'stage presence' to burn. One of the scariest Disney villains, I think. BtW the dress-rip scene still lives in my child-brain memory.
You know if Kingdom Hearts does ever adapt A Twist in Time, I wonder if it would explain that the three were just sent flying as if they were team rocket blasting off again...... though in this case they either land in a tree or a lake. I based it off their screams fading as if they were heading into the distance, and how Aqua and Cinderella were looking at that moment as if they saw them flying.
I think I know why the plastic masks were a good idea, especially in Lady Tremaine's case: She's supposed to be terrifying, and if the mask helps, well...then again, I also think that Mr. Clipboard was the only one to benefit from the bad animation that was Foodfight. So what do I know?
Though I know she is not technically Lady Tremaine in Ever After. Anjelica Houston was a perfect choice to play the wicked stepmother. She plays the devious role to perfection.
I remember reading a book in elementary school that I don't remember much about and the little I remember was that it was about Cinderella's married life with the prince and suddenly a group of people would arrive that I think was a circus or something like that. who stole from the townspeople I also remember that lady tremaine's haunted pumpkin appeared and lady tremaine did something that made Cinderella end up on the boat of the group of people who robbed the townspeople I also think that lady tremaine had done something tot he prince so that she would not remember cinderella but in the end everything ended well and cinderella lived happily again with the prince and if it was an official disney book since it was a compilation of stories about other princesses and it also had illustrations.
I was wondering how you were going to cover Anastasia in this video as I grew with with Cinderella III a Twist in Time. Probably watched it more than the original tbh and Anastasia my favorite part of it. I like how you handled it showing her arc during the movies and how surprisingly well she developed. Also semi related question, how do you feel about Prudence? (I think that's how her names spelled) I don't think she's truly a villain but in the first segment of Cinderella II she was an antagonist for Cinderella. I only mention her because I'm surprised you didn't being her up at all.
I didn't really see Prudence as much of an antagonist, even in the first segment of "Dreams Come True." She was a little annoying toward Cindy, but that was the extent of it. I was actually a little disappointed that she didn't appear in more of the third movie.
Once, I played this Disney Princess Kahoot! and one of the questions was, "What is Cinderella's last name?" At first, I thought the answer was impossible, but realized it was a trick question because Tremaine is not Cinderella's last name. Once I was watching this with my extended family, and my uncle said that the tearing-off-the-dress scene, "It's a clear example of child abuse in a Disney movie." I find Anastasia's line in the second movie, "Well, what would you know? You're beautiful. It's always been easy for you" very important, because 1) Anastasia is one of the people who made Cinderella's life difficult, so it wasn't like Cinderella's beauty made life any easier for either of them, well kind of, but that's not the point. And 2) that quote is relatable to girls in real life who don't see themselves as anything special. 19:37 Ha! They're terrified of brooms!
safe to say Lady Tremaine would have no problem getting ridof her own daughters once she got what she wanted & they stopped being useful to her luckily with help from Cinderella Anasasia was able to relaize this and get away before it was too late. also like how in "A Cinderella Story" Anastasia in the sequals turned out to be the nicer or less mean of the sisters and was given a happy ending and friendship with Cinderella once she turned good
Back when we had a Disney store at our mall, they had a big Lucifer plushie that went unsold for quite some time before I finally bought him; the lady at the register seemed amazed that he was being taken home. He's REALLY soft.
that's adorable ngl, sounds like something in an actual disney movie.
Just don't bath him.
I love how she has a change of heart 16:56
ironically he's named after the angel that becomes Satan. either before or while God was shaping the universe, Lucifer becomes envious of God's position or in Paradise Lost, he's envious that he was passed over for The Son or Jesus. either way, he convinces most of the angels in Heaven to rebel which results in them falling to Hell and the plan now being to corrupt God's creation of humanity. you can say Lucifer in the movie was acting a little...devilish.
I'll never forget how intense the stepsisters tearing off Cinderella's clothing was, as the colors of the background intensify for the mood of the scene from oranges to a deeper red and how fast-paced it was going! It was easily one of the most human feelings of fear and hatred going off at the same time! Brilliant on it's execution!
That was animated by Wolfgang Reitherman, the action guy of the 9 Old Men who worked with Disney
That scene legit felt like something from a horror movie.
I'm glad I apparently wasn't alone in being scarred by this scene as a kid. When I was little I would leave the room until it was over, and I to this day have reserves about watching it and usually skip through.
The background was deep purple, pink and dark red. Also Anastasia had a hot magenta Color of dress early in the scene but it went uncomfortably deeply purple when she tore the dress.
I remember when I was younger, I was so angry at the stepsisters for destroying her dress. But when I got older, I cried when they did that because it was literally the only thing left of her mother.
Anastasia being the nicer of the two stepsisters wasn't something that came from Ever After - several versions of the tale depict one stepsister as being nicer than the other.
But it also shows another purpose - that her role is the follower.
Lady Tremaine is the abuser. The one 'in charge'.
Drasilla is the enabler. She's the one who enables the one in charge.
Anastasia is the Follower - the one who does it for survival. Without Cindy? SHE'D be the scapegoat.
Apparently, Drasilla is the older of the two. This makes sense - she's the heir. Anastasia is the spare.
I love Anastasia they took someone who was supposed to be nothing but a nasty petty girl. But then they saw potential with her character and they gave her two arcs and in two of the sequels. Give her the voice of Tress Macneille and you got a great character.
I think they got the idea to turn Anastasia good from Ever After: A Cinderella Story where one of Cinderella's step sisters turns good
In the fairy tale it says that the younger step sister is nicer, but still mean.
There was one version of the original tale that had one of the step sisters come to the castle after Cinderella's wedding to apologize for how her, her sister and her mother treated her all her life, and I've heard that's where the inspiration for the redemption in the sequels came from
I don't think it was properly mentioned here, but they did something very interesting to her Character in the OUAT Spin-Off centered in Wonderland. There, she ram away from her World with Will Scarlett (formerly a member of Robin Hood's Merry Men, but is her Knave of Hearts), but instead winds up becoming the Red Queen (Not the Queen of Hearts. That title went to someone else who Groomed her into taking over so she could dip out) , who forms an alliance with Jafar of Agrabah to destroy Alice and the Genie she fell in love with.
....Yeaaah. Very few fans think highly of this Spin-Off, for obvious reasons. So little, in fact, they later non-canonized it in the main series. Will is re-introduced in S4 (as though he's never left Storybrooke), Jafar is recast and stays in Agrabah (with his storyline completely starting over from scratch in S6), Wonderland is never spoken of again, with the only character from that world showing up being the Mad Hatter (who's storyline was also quickly resolved early on, since his Actor got transported to the MCU).
EDIT: So this was mentioned a bit in the Wonderland vid on this Channel, but I'd figure I go ahead and give a little more detail, coming from someone who has watched this series up until the end of S5.
@Katie Lewis lol yeah
“As odd and fanfiction-y as this sounds, it actually came together pretty nicely and was surprisingly enjoyable in its own right.”
**shows the infamous clip of Charming yeeting himself out the window**
It show how much personality he has in this film.
Seriously, I have to say Tremaine and maleficent could almost be sisters if they didn't live in different time periods. Heck, I think she could have been her fairy godmother even.
Tremaine along with Frollo, Mother Gothel, and even Hans and Ernesto de la Cruz. are really human villains found in real life. As said before, you won't encounter an evil wizard or witch but you can encounter abusers, murdering opportunists, and manipulators of all kinds. And anyone who says that Cinderella could escape never faced what power abusers have over others.
I feel like the same goes for the Wizard in "Wicked," because he's a corrupt politician who uses propaganda and unlike Madame Morrible, he doesn't have any powers. Not Disney, but also a realistic villain
I also fine Rourke incredibly realistic
And they were even voiced by the same voice actress!
Technecally Ernesto is a ghost, but i get the point.
@@maurycyoseka1057I mean he _did_ live in the real world until around the 1940s and he did already kill Héctor and robbed his legacy so there's that.
I don't understand why people complain about the fairy tails' happy ending. They are unreal to us, because the whole point of a fairy tail is to be unreal. Besides, most of them are well deserved reward, just like in the case of Cinderella. The only happy ending that I dislike for being too good is the Tremaines dying of the bomb. No amount of goodness in Cinderella's heart can earn such a happy ending. No mortal can do it either.
Disney also didn't "Bowdlerise" it - in the "original version", the stepsisters did not lose their eyes.
For one, Disney adapted the Charles Perrault version - which was already old news when the Brothers Grimm were born. (Says so right there on the title screen people!)
The Brothers Grimm version has no FAiry Godmother - the closest is the tree planted on the Brith Mother's grave.
The "original" version of Cinderella was either the Greek version or the Chinese version.
@@Terestrasz Thank you! That’s the big picture here. Disney adapts these movies based on their favorite “versions” of the classic fairytales. Disney may have monopolized on this particular set of stories, but they were far from the first, or the last, to revamp them.
I love the fact that after Cinderella helps Anastasia Anastasia becomes a good person 😇
Even though it’s non-canon and you know that.
@@philipkippel3615 I go with what he says in the video on the subject: fans can decide for themselves what is and isn't canon. Whatever floats their boat.
These should be their punishments.
Lady Tremaine: Death by Hanging. Historically speaking this is the worst way to die for nobility.
Usually if a noble or royal is to be executed for whatever reason, they usually got beheaded by sword or axe or in later years,
shot by firing squad. Hanging was for common criminals.
Drizella: Life Without Parole. Bad but not to the level of her mother and thus not quite justified in hanging her alongside her mother. Life Without Parole is the next best thing.
Anastasia: Flogging and Banishment. Her reversal of course taken into account but some kind of punishment must be given. Six dozen lashes and being banished is more than fair and all things considered, she gets off lightly. It's much better than the rest of her life in prison or worse, the gallows and the rope
Anastasia is Disney's Zuko
0:44 That's why Anastesia got her redemption in Disney canon.
When I was a kid I noticed that Cinderella looked a lot like my mom if she was drawn in the Disney art style. When my parents divorced my mom had to clean peoples' houses to support herself as well as me and my brother while she put herself through nursing school, while also having to contend with a vindictive ex-husband, who happened to be my dad. I've often said that her story was like Cinderella's if she was a single mother of two, contending with a vindictive ex-husband. Things changed when she met the man who would become my stepdad, who was like the prince if he had more agency.
Lovely.
Lady Tremaine is absolutely terrifying to me, especially in the third Cinderella movie. There’s something about the idea of this woman continuing to try and ruin Cinderella’s life even beyond the first happy ending that genuinely freaks me out even as an adult.
Also I hate Lucifer so much and it is because of that dumb, very tedious level in that disney princess GBA game! It took so long to complete that level since it was dependent on Lucifer spawning. Every time I see that cat, he just fills me with 10 year old me’s rage.
Honestly, yeah. The idea of someone harbouring that much hate and resentment towards you is chilling.
Lady Tremaine was much scarier to me in the 3rd movie than the original for the reasons you said. What’s maddening is that she had a magical wand, with no limits, and she could have used the magic to improve her family’s life. Conjuring up an army of servants, beautifully restore the crumbling chateau, wishing up a constant flow of money all come to mind. Heck, she could have taken the “Ali Ababwa” approach and use the wand to make one or both of her daughters “royal enough” to catch the eye of a prince from another kingdom.
But instead of doing any of that, Lady Tremaine tries to undo Cinderella’s happy ending, because this woman was never going to be happy as long as Cinderella was happy.
Anastasia is an underrated character. Also it's annoying how Disney takes minor characters and makes them egregiously evil/useless for live-action remakes.
Probably the best part of the CGI remake of Lion King was giving the hyenas proper respect as animals and I appreciate the extra effort it went to show that Shenzi was THE boss of her pack, since hyenas are matriarchal, and she wasn't nearly as cowed by Scar. You never really got any sense of her status in the original since she wasn't written with that fact in mind.
@The Dark Overlord I only got the sense she was the brains of the operation. That doesn't always make someone the boss. Plenty of examples in other media. The Leader and the Smart Guy can be two different characters.
@Katie Lewis Disney's Johnny Lawrence/Zuko
I agree, I especially don't like that they turned The Grand Duke and King Stephan into bad guys, like what was the point of that?
@@maldon3659 Same with the three fairies, why are they stupid to make Maleficent look better?
It's so fascinating that Tremaine is seen as so frightening and one of Disney's best villains, when in practice all she is is a cruel stepmother. She's not a witch, or a queen, a demon, she's just an awful scary woman. That's the power of execution.
Actually several years back, Disney releases a book series called “Fun-to-Read” for kids. Volume 6 “the ugly Stepsisters,” plot is similar to 1st version. Cinderella invites her step family for a visit. As usual, Lay Termaine, Lucifer, and the step sisters cause trouble. Trying to be nice Cinderella throws a surprise ball for her family (helping them to find new husbands). Sadly it backfires since her Stepfamily purposely ruin it, thinking that Cinderella was trying to show off. Leaving all of them shocked and miserable due to the fact that they had ruined their chance for a “Happily Ever After.” How ironic
Glad you mentioned that the Grimm version with toe cutting isn’t the “original” but there are different versions.
disney gets a lot of complaints for sanitize dark elements from old stories, what they fail to realize is that as being done even before disney or like in this case the "sanitize" version is the original
I agree, apart from that fact the Perrault version wasn’t the original either. The story is thousand of years old like the video said, we will never hear the “original” if there was just one because it wasn’t written down and the story has changed in telling. Both the Perrault and Grimm versions are just some oral versions they heard and recorded that they put their own own thoughts in too probably in writing.
@@sarasamaletdin4574 true, in fact i saw in another video that apparently a "prototype" of the story was written back in ancient egypt
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@@detectivewobbuffet2778 Disney’s early movies weren’t so sanatizing as the ones since the Little Mermaid. There are some exceptions, though.
The fact a Cinderella VA also voiced a character in Invader Zim is mind boggling to me bc I love both XD
Don't forget: Jennifer Hale is a staple in DC and Star Wars expanded media
@@marcuscheng9398 She’s also female Commander Shepherd
😅
It funny how some actor can do nice people tone of voice to a rotten or rude person.
She also voiced multiple Metal Gear characters. Those being Emma Emmerich and Naomi Hunter
I think the fact that we don't see what happens to the Tremaines is probably the most realistic part of the abuse analogy. Sometimes the best revenge is not letting your abuser live rent free in your head anymore. Cinderella is no longer giving them ANY attention, which is ultimately the worst thing you can do to a family of narcissists.
I have to say Lady Tremaine is one of the scariest Disney villains. One, because like he said, she is the most relatable, a regular human. A human that abuses her stepdaughter big time. She turns her into a slave. She is willing to get innocent people hurt and even killed(tripping the man carrying the glass slipper), to get what she wants. I have taken a notice to the start of the story. "Still the father thought he needed a mother's love, so he remarried." Knowing her, she only married him for the wealth and lifestyle, which leads to point two. "It was the untimely death of the man." Think about those words, untimely and death. She had something to do with his dying. Last, while other Disney villains are pretty scary like Jafar, most of these villains just can't happen in real life, where sadly people like Lady Tremaine can and has happened, which, in my opinion, makes her the most scariest.
I love their names in French:
Cinderella/Cendrillon
Anastasia/Anastasie
Drizella/Javotte
The Cinderella straight to DVD sequels were strangely well thought out by straight to DVD sequel standards
The end to the BBS boss fight always cracks me up. The sudden comeuppance, Aqua's monotone, Cinderelly's blank stare, the "darkness in their hearts" bs when they were clearly blown to bits... Like, how can you not laugh?
I definitely chuckled when I used that clip. The biggest laugh I ever got from a Kingdom Hearts game was Simba's reaction to Mufasa's death in KHII. He looks like he's got a big dopey smile as he watches his dad get tramples.
As much as I love Willa Holland (Aqua's VA), she doesn't make for a good voice actress. She's a much better in-person actress (see her performance as Thea Queen in CW's Arrow). It took a while for me to warm up to Aqua due to her slightly lacking performance. She got plenty right, but the rest of the time she sounded rather...dead-pan. I felt bad for laughing at that line, but to this day, I still can't help myself.
@@Raxel1447 tbh you could say that about more than just her. Lol for some of the voice acting in those games, I genuinely don’t know what they were thinking when they hired them. Lmaooo that’s a lot of what makes up those funny compilations of Kingdom Hearts moments. Just voice acting where I think they tried their best but they just weren’t up to par.
Honestly I think a lot of the background characters have better voice acting than like, Sora, Kairi, and Roxas, for example. Even with their voice acting not being great though, I wouldn’t trade them. It wouldn’t be KH without them. Too nostalgic.
Funny thing, TV Tropes mentions that the stepfamily may have become Heartless after the Unversed boss kills them. Now, they’re doomed to become EXP for Sora, or some other protagonist.
I first saw this in this video and it had the same effect on me
It's so shocking just HOW QUICK the dress scene is. If you listen to the score in various soundtracks, I think it only clocks in around 10 seconds?? AND YET, it feels like a lifetime because you know from the minute she walks down those stairs, exactly how this is going to end.
Cinderella is ready, and she's not going to go, SOMEHOW.
I also like how her calling, please wait for me, parallels the ending. This movie is full of parallels.
Getting they're eyes poked out by birds was a much tamer fate than what the Vietnamese version of Cinderella did to them. In that version, Cinderella kills the stepsisters and makes them into a stew. She feeds it to her stepmother and is complimented for the stew tasting good. That is until the stepmother sees a skull in the bowl and dies of shock.
oh my
Suddenly, Cinderella in Vietnam and Grimm books is not so nice, good-hearted, forgiving and better then her step-family.
The concept of Franco de Fortunato is brilliant. An evil fairy godmother (or father?) is always fascinating to me and it makes me wish he was in the third movie as the one who granted Tremaine her wand to make her dream come true.
Speaking of which, I love everything about the third movie and how it explores the toxic relationship Tremaine had will ALL her daughters, not just Cinderella. Drizella and Anastasia are just as much victims of the abuse as Cindy was just not in an obvious way. Anastasia really came into her own person in the second and third movies. Her makeover in the second shows that she was always beautiful in her own way, she just needed to step away from Tremaine’s influence. It effectively makes you hate Tremaine more in how she developmentally stunted her own daughters’ growth. One of my favourite Disney villain redemption arcs.
Just like Rapunzel, another victim of an abusive mother figure, the best thing for Anastasia was getting away from her mother. I’d like to think that if there was a 4th Cinderella movie (or an animated spin-off series), maybe Drizella could find her own redemption arc by getting away from Lady Tremaine too.
Fun fact: Lucille Bliss voiced Crusader Rabbit, the very first made-for-TV animated character.
Before talking about the villains, I'd just like to speak for a moment about Cinderella as a whole. For a while I shared probably the most common opinion of the character and this movie, that it's shallow and that Cinderella is boring. In recent years I've kind of turned around on that; I instead find Cinderella rather compelling in terms of being a person trapped via circumstances. People complain that she doesn't do anything in the movie, but only because there wasn't that much she could do. This is her home, she doesn't appear to have anyone else to turn to, so she tries to make the most of her horrible situation. In this day and age, as more and more people feel trapped by their financial situation, making difficult decisions and having almost not way out of the horrible predicament they're in, I feel like there would be a lot of people who could relate to Cinderella's struggles, especially given that every time she tries to find something good in her life, she's constantly pushed back down. Sure, the idea that a Fairy Godmother comes along and makes all her dreams come true isn't really applicable in real life, but then again, that's the whole point of wish-fulfillment, isn't it? I don't think wish-fulfillment movies are necessarily a bad thing, we just need to keep a cool head about it, recognize that it's good catharsis to have stories like this while remaining rational about the reality of our own real-life problems. Indeed, I think Disney's desire to tell feel-good stories like this rooted in that very line of thinking (something that's explored a bit in the movie Saving Mr. Banks).
As for the villains of Cinderella, starting the "wicked stepmother" Lady Tremaine, I think what's compelling about her is, much like Cinderella herself, the circumstances surrounding her. She was a widow who married Cinderella's father, but after he died, she revealed that she was apparently jealous that she looked better than her own daughters, Anastasia and Drizella, and for that supposed crime, Lady Tremaine proceeded to make Cinderella's life as miserable as possible. It wasn't enough for her to to be emotionally abusive to Cinderella and to make Cinderella a slave in her own house, Lady Tremaine also robbed Cinderella of any chance at potential happiness and escape for this terrible life. It's this excessive cruelty, coupled with her older yet dignified look and how she's performed and animated that really make a great villain, at least in my eyes. Fascinating, though, that she doesn't get any comeuppance for her actions, we just get one last shocked look on her face when she sees Cinderella has the other glass slipper and that's it. Perhaps the message was that it doesn't matter what happens to Lady Tremaine and her two daughters, that Cinderella can finally put that life behind her and move on to better things. Of course, the direct-to-video sequels undermined that a bit, but they do get bonus points for showing how selfish Lady Tremaine really is. She seemed to care about her daughters in the first movie, though there were hints that she was mostly using them as a means to increase her social status, wanting them to marry the Prince in order to essentially become royalty. This gets proven when she disapproves of Anastasia wanting a relationship with a poor baker in Cinderella II, and putting Anastasia in Cinderella's as the person who fit the glass slipper in Cinderella III... which, by the way, while most of the Disney sequels kind of suck, it's amazing how buck-wild the third Cinderella movie ended up being, with Lady Tremaine stealing the Fairy Godmother's magic wand and messing with the timeline to her advantage. I don't know if it's a good movie, or if it's even consistent with the first movie in terms of its characterization for characters like the King, but it's still a surprisingly entertaining watch.
There's not much to say about Anastasia and Drizella, they are basically agents of Lady Tremaine to help make sure Cinderella suffers as much as possible (without outright beating her at least). In fact, my children's literature professor in college had us watch this movie and pointed out how the two are essentially the same character, pointing out the moment where they talk simultaneously specifically to demonstrate this fact. So it's kind of interesting how the people who wrote the two sequels decided that Anastasia actually isn't as bad as Drizella and gave her a redemption arc. Not sure why they went with that, but it worked out (kind of). I will say this, though, Cinderella is awfully forgiving of the years of abuse from her stepsister in the sequels, in particular the moment where she rips apart Cinderella's dress right before leaving for the ball sticks out in my mind. Lastly there's Lucifer, and it's embarrassing for me to admit this, but it wasn't until my children's lit professor pointed out the significance of the name "Lucifer" did I actually make that connection to the cat. He certainly is a bad cat, just as cruel to Cinderella as her stepmother and stepsisters... which is ironic because Cinderella actually tries to be nice to Lucifer, scolding Bruno for dreaming about chasing Lucifer, only for Lucifer to gloat over denying Cinderella the key to her locked door when catching Gus... Then again, maybe Lucifer is just salty over Cinderella struggling to find something nice to say about Lucifer. Still, Lucifer's meanness doesn't just extend to the mice in this picture, so I suppose it's only fitting how he's the only one to gets some kind of karma dealt to him, falling out the window as Bruno goes after him... of course, he somehow survives, as he shows up in the sequels. Guess he landed on his feet. :P
Lady Tremaine was always terrifying in a psychic sense, but when we see her get mor widespread power in Cinderella 3, that was when I felt she was truely horrifying. Her suddenly now gaining the power to do unto an entire kingdom what she did to Cinderella is mad creepy.
Anastasia getting reception on Cinderella II&III is maybe inspired by the Perrault but maybe it’s a concidence.
I think you mean “redemption”
@@AnInkStick regardless, I can see why Tress McNeille chose not to voice Ana in Kingdom Hearts, because it’s a spit in the face to Perrault’s version showing Ana is less cruel than her sister and mother.
Cinderella 3 a twist in time is criminally underrated! This movie is just fabulous. I love how the Prince actually has a lot more personality in that film. I also like the boat scene a lot. Anastasia is a great character there too! The 2015 remake is also a lot of fun for me. That movie doesn’t get much proper appreciation either which to me is very sad. I think it definitely has a few cool moments. I liked Lady Tremaine in it a lot. She has a certain sassiness to her in that film. I was at a special screening of this movie at my local public library a few years ago. I was the only adult in the audience. The kids and I all cheered when Cinderella stood up to her stepmother. I Will always have a great respect for these two films!
Lucifer as a cartoon cat has nine lives, of course he survived the fall from the tower.
I always see the Stepmother as a very Hitchcockian type of villain - she even looks like Mrs. Danvers from Hitchcock's Rebecca. And shots like the closeup when she narrows her eyes, and the scene of her following Cinderella up the stairs are right out of a Hitchcock suspense film.
This was an Incredible Masterpiece Video for Lady Tremaine/The Wicked Step Mother My 13th Favorite Disney Villain.
My Ranking for Lady Tremaine Across Disney Media
1: Elenor Audley (1950 Cinderella Film)
2: Cate Blanchett (2015 Cinderella Film)
3: Lisa Banes (Once Upon a Time Season 6)
4: Susan Blakeslee (The Cinderella Animated Sequel Films)
5: Gabrielle Anwar (Once Upon a Time Season 7)
6: Lindo Ko (Descendants 3)
7: Jan Brandle Smith (Once Upon a Time Season 1)
That Kingdom Hearts death was way more gruesome than I though it would be lol
I've always considered Lady Tremaine to be one of Disney's best executed villains, up there with Gothel and Frollo, and I'm glad you think she's great too! Can't wait for more of these videos
Eleanor Audley - one of the nicest of ladies by all accounts! - voiced the malevolent Lady Tremaine.
I would say the villains of Disney’s silver age are only rivaled by the renaissance villains.
They really hit a good stride on this round of villains.
@Will N Seriously? A slump between Sleeping Beauty and Little Mermaid? What about Cruella? Edgar? Ratigan? The Horned King? Medusa? Prince John? Sykes? Shere Khan? They're all amazing villains in their own ways, some terrifying, some hilarious, some both! The Sword in the Stone is bland but Madam Mim is pretty fun and Amos Slade is a very bland villain but the others are great.
@@ColinLooksBack 0:35: Given the Disney Sequels that Cinderella would later have, does that mean Anastasia is the young stepdaughter to suggest the name "Cinderella"? That makes a lot of sense now.
Also, 26:11: {All Tremaines die, and Macneille isn't voicing Anastasia} Gee, I wonder if it's because Square Enix has NO RESPECT TO THE SEQUELS, WHICH IS WHY TRESS MACNEILLE ISN'T VOICING ANA IN THE GAME!!!
The red and orange Lucifer might have have been able to keep the color consistent on the page. Similar to how they The Hulk started as a gray monster and changed to green.
I hate that scene in Cinderella (1950) where the screen darkened around Tremaine’s eyes. It creeped me out as a girl and it still does to this day. 😨😨
A Twist in Time was soooo good and well animated.
Lady Tremaine is the closest thing Disney has ever done to someone like Annie Wilkes from Misery. She doesn’t have the emotional instability of Wilkes, but that incredible ability to be manipulative, yet still commanding a sense of dignity and respect… she’s creepy as hell.
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I totally agree with you, man. I found it much more satisfying to finally see Lady Tremaine get a humiliating dose of physical karma after the many years of abuse she put both Cinderella and her birth daughters through (besides Drizella earning the same fate). This is what happens when you steal something that isn't yours and let power and jealousy get to your head.
Lady Tremaine and Madame Medusa are my favourite Disney villains because they're so underrated. 💎🐊 🐈👠
Omg, Madam Medusa... More nightmare fuel I'd forgotten about.
Medusa is fun but shallow.
Medusa WAS Originally Cruella De-Vil From 101 Dalmatians.
I remember when I first watch Cinderella on videocassette as a youngster! Lady Tremaine's face always creeps me out!
i saw a Hello Kitty adaptation of the story, she obviously takes the role of Cinderella and in the special, the prince, named Stephan who might be portrayed by Dear Daniel is arguing with the king and queen, his parents about him not finding a wife. Stephan is the romantic type and wants to find someone out of love just as his parents did when they were young. during this he meets and interacts with the Fairy God Mother who also kept an eye of Cinderella/Kitty. she helps her due to the girl's kind heart.
5:43 Lady Tremaine
8:47 The Step Sisters
10:34 Lucifer
14:37 PomPom
Alice in Wonderland is going to be such a fascinating one, because, the way I see it, everyone can be considered an antagonist, but not a villain.
An antagonist is someone that hinders the progress of the protagonist, and really, for the most part that's what everyone in Wonderland does, the Dodo who sets up a pointless race, the Hatter and Hare that nudge Alice around the table, the Cheshire Cat that is a total trickster, in some respects they all seem to hinder Alice. Yet, none of them seem particularly immoral, it's just who they are.
Of course the Queen of Hearts can easily be seen as the baddie of the movie, unless we want to headcannon the book into the movie, but it does make sense that Disney would label the Queen as a villain. More-so than the Ringmaster.
The Tremaines, along with Lucifer also appear in the computer game 'cinderella's dollhouse ', a game in which you get to design different rooms in the castle and cottage, and the Tremaines humorously criticize your interior decorating skills. I think it's a game that a lot of people have forgotten, but I used to love playing it when I was a child.
I remember seeing that twice charmed show.
I hate it when they try and make excuses for why a villain is an awful person. There’s no excuse for abusing Cinderella
Lady Tremaine’s desecration of the timeline cannot go unpunished.
It's a shame you didn't mention the Cinderella-adjacent/ Disney-adjacent films. Rodgers and Hammerstein's Cinderella (1997) from the Wonderful World of Disney, Confessions of an Ugly Stepsister (2002) also from the Wonderful World of Disney, Miramax's Ella Enchanted (2004) which was done whilst Disney owned Miramax, and Disney's movie version of the musical Into the Woods (2014).
Having said that, I'm really enjoying these retrospectives, especially the parts about the comics because I've never read any of them so it's really interesting learning about that area of Disney!
Those might have been good ideas to mention, come to think of it. I was mostly focusing on the Tremaine versions specifically, but it's interesting to see how much Disney alone has done other Cinderella-based projects.
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I feel like doing update videos for earlier episodes might be good, covering stuff you missed and more recent events. I feel like the first one could come after the Jungle Book villains episode.
that story of you with the stepsisters/lady tremaine sounds adorably funny(kinda imagine an animated skit with their portraits being comically drawn.:3)
always loved anastasia being given a 2nd chance in the sequels.(though damn, their death in kingdom hearts was brutal.)
I look so forward to these every month
Tremaine is like Evil Queen, The Coachman, Medusa, and Frollo and as scary as Chenbong and The Horned King.
Lady Tremaine was truly a unique and shows you don't need a crystal ball to prove how evil someone can be! Beautiful animated! However, seeing her reaction on the end was priceless!!!
By animation standards, Light Yagami, Giovanni, Willy Tyburr and Eren Yeager surpassed her
Orange Lucifer is weird looking, but Orange Lucifer with a black head is just bizarre.
Love the inclusion of images from Villainous, easily my favorite board game of all time
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I always loved the second Cinderella as a kid. I loved the voice acting, it felt cozy, the baker is cute and yes I had a crush on him, and it’s a fun little movie. I wouldn’t say it’s a masterpiece by any means but I know I watched that move far more times than the first, personally. I liked that Anastasia actually got a personality in that movie. And she wanted to be better.
I agree
I’m interested to see how the Alice in Wonderland video comes out. Aside from the Queen of Hearts and the Walrus, who were definitely evil, it’s hard to tell whether most of the other crazy characters are truly evil. The Cheshire Cat definitely caused trouble, but he was really more of a nuisance. The Card Guards aided the Queen of Hearts, but they were terrified of getting their heads chopped off. The King of Hearts also aided the Queen, but he didn’t seem that evil to me. Every kooky character was somewhat dangerous, but they were sometimes pleasant as well (except for the Queen and the Walrus).
Yeah that film along with Fox and the Hound , Lilo and Stitch , Brother Bear , Bolt and Chicken Little will be interesting
On a sidenote i always thought the tall woman at the start and end was Alice's teacher as she's never called sister .
Anantasia along with Iago have to be the most iconic villains who turned good
I'd say Wonderland itself is the main opponent in the story. After all, they're all mad there.
I wish I'd been brave enough to go up to The Sisters when I was at Disneyworld :(
This was so well done. Thank you for the fun stories and pictures at the end. You rock sir. Thanks a bunch.
I wonder if the original masks for the theme park stepsisters was to protect their dignity in a way. When I first saw them it made me feel a little bad for the actresses who got cast as the "ugly" stepsisters. I could see some people being sensitive about that. The masks were too terrifying though.
Anastasia was really voiced by Tress MacNeille in the sequels.
Is there anyone here that has seen the show Green Acres? Eleanor Audley played the role of the main character's critical, nagging mother on that show.
Lady Tremaine is one of my favourite villains as I grew up with Cinderella 1 and 3. Because in the third film she tries to sabotage Cinderella's happy ending like the voice's saboteurs does in CBBC's Trapped, using time travel and mind control spells which would send her to Azkaban, she also reminds me of Miss Lebrun a primarily school teacher who was very similar to Lady Tremaine and treated me poorly as a kid (I can also relate to Cinderella). I also like Anastasia and Drizella as they were hilarious and even an inspiration for Verruca Salt.
Don’t forget that Pinocchio also flopped at the box office like Fantasia and Bambi in the early 1940s
Cinderella is my favorite Disney princess! I wore out 3 VHS tapes of it. That part where they tear up her dress; still chilling!!!
I like how you played escape to the garden in the background. The choral reprise of a dream is a wish your heart makes is stunning and underrated.
You know to make it more like the og Perrault story, there'd be a redemption arc for Drizella too.
Interestingly, if you pay attention in Cinderella 2, we see a look of surprise on Drizella's face after Anastasia stands up to Lady Tremaine. She's so shocked and possibly amazed she lingers back as her mother leaves. Like she's amazed her sister has such guts and is asserting herself and finding love like that. Plus as she leaves with Lady Tremaine, we see her look back as Anastasia and the baker enjoy their moment, like she's showing genuine interest towards her sister and her choices and maybe even questioning her life choices and Lady Tremaine as their mother or a person.
Also in Cinderella 3, we see that her mother is giving Anastasia the perks and attention but not Drizella, even though she acts as the loyal daughter to her. We also saw a moment where Lady Tremaine threatened to get Drizella banished like she did Cinderella if she didn't keep quiet and Drizella looks genuinely scared of her.
Well if you ask me, I think I'd almost prefer Cinderella's father choosing his own daughter over his 2nd wife and stepdaughters, Cinderella forgiving her father, one stepsister cutting off her left toes and right heel, the other cutting off her left heel and right toes, both stepsisters getting married off, and the stepmother getting her eyes pecked out.
The scene that always stuck out to me from this version is where Cinderella is going to retrieve the other slipper but is acting all cocky while doing so, and the stepmom figures it out, prompting that evil glare as she follows her to lock her in her room. And whenever I think about that I think "THAT'S WHY YOU NEVER CELEBRATE EARLY YA COCKY MORON!" Sure it makes sense why she was that way seeing as she was so close, but never celebrate a victory before you're actually over the finish line. A valuable lesson to be honest.
That hospital story of your friend asking for her stuffed Lucifer cat is quite funny. Without context it’s hilarious
The Queen of Hearts has the same voice as the Fairy Godmother(Verna Felton)
I remember reading the Iron Mask comic book as a kid, a very interesting crossover!
Have u ever seem the super scary 1933 Alice in wonderland?? I just saw it and OMG, and also all I could like about is your amazing voice and videos going through it
Haha, thanks! It's pretty creepy!
I feel like you could’ve mentioned the TV movie of Cinderella that has Brandy and Whitney Houston, sure it was on ABC but I’m pretty sure Disney owned them in the 90s
Disney still owns ABC to this day.
these disney villain retrospectives are my favorite! I always look forward to the next one ^_^ keep up the good work! :D
I loved the third movie as a kid as Anastasia was written beautifully and the prince was given more lines and acted more than a plot point. And I actually love the live action movie as well
Just out of curiosity, are you familiar with the Disney Villainous board/card game?
I'm awed at the amount of research you put into these!
"Rodgers and Hammerstein's Cinderella", which aired on The Wonderful World of Disney in 1997, is a Disney production, but those are not the animated Disney characters. The nameless Stepmother was portrayed by Bernadette Peters and the stepsisters, named Minerva and Calliope, are played by Natalie Desselle and Veanne Cox respectively. These are not Lady Tremaine, Anastasia, and Drizella.
One mistake: they didn't die in KH birth by sleep
They were lanch away team Rocket style
The Tremains are blasting off again!!
When you really think about it, drizella is sorta like jessie
It’s implied that they died on impact.
@@austinreed7343 I don't knoe for how they directed that scene and for Aqua and Cindarella's reaction I always thought of them just being launched away
if the bomb didn't kill them, the darkness that invaded the world soon after might have.
Cinderella 3 is the goat.
I love how they gave Anastasia a characteristic and story in 2 and continued it in 3.
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Yes, scary also because she is quiet, slow-moving, with 'stage presence' to burn. One of the scariest Disney villains, I think. BtW the dress-rip scene still lives in my child-brain memory.
I genuinely truly unironically love a twist in time
Colin also forgot the 1997 live-action Cinderella TV movie starring Brandy.
If I had to guess the reason why Lucifer was colored orange in the comics was so that you can see his limbs better
You know if Kingdom Hearts does ever adapt A Twist in Time, I wonder if it would explain that the three were just sent flying as if they were team rocket blasting off again...... though in this case they either land in a tree or a lake. I based it off their screams fading as if they were heading into the distance, and how Aqua and Cinderella were looking at that moment as if they saw them flying.
Great video! I do agree that the third movie was executed well.
I think I know why the plastic masks were a good idea, especially in Lady Tremaine's case: She's supposed to be terrifying, and if the mask helps, well...then again, I also think that Mr. Clipboard was the only one to benefit from the bad animation that was Foodfight. So what do I know?
Though I know she is not technically Lady Tremaine in Ever After. Anjelica Houston was a perfect choice to play the wicked stepmother. She plays the devious role to perfection.
Incredible analysis 🤌🏾
Great video as always, but man it bums me out whenever i have to remember the Live Action remakes exist
I remember reading a book in elementary school that I don't remember much about and the little I remember was that it was about Cinderella's married life with the prince and suddenly a group of people would arrive that I think was a circus or something like that. who stole from the townspeople I also remember that lady tremaine's haunted pumpkin appeared and lady tremaine did something that made Cinderella end up on the boat of the group of people who robbed the townspeople I also think that lady tremaine had done something tot he prince so that she would not remember cinderella but in the end everything ended well and cinderella lived happily again with the prince and if it was an official disney book since it was a compilation of stories about other princesses and it also had illustrations.
I was wondering how you were going to cover Anastasia in this video as I grew with with Cinderella III a Twist in Time. Probably watched it more than the original tbh and Anastasia my favorite part of it. I like how you handled it showing her arc during the movies and how surprisingly well she developed. Also semi related question, how do you feel about Prudence? (I think that's how her names spelled) I don't think she's truly a villain but in the first segment of Cinderella II she was an antagonist for Cinderella. I only mention her because I'm surprised you didn't being her up at all.
I didn't really see Prudence as much of an antagonist, even in the first segment of "Dreams Come True." She was a little annoying toward Cindy, but that was the extent of it. I was actually a little disappointed that she didn't appear in more of the third movie.
Once, I played this Disney Princess Kahoot! and one of the questions was, "What is Cinderella's last name?" At first, I thought the answer was impossible, but realized it was a trick question because Tremaine is not Cinderella's last name.
Once I was watching this with my extended family, and my uncle said that the tearing-off-the-dress scene, "It's a clear example of child abuse in a Disney movie." I find Anastasia's line in the second movie, "Well, what would you know? You're beautiful. It's always been easy for you" very important, because 1) Anastasia is one of the people who made Cinderella's life difficult, so it wasn't like Cinderella's beauty made life any easier for either of them, well kind of, but that's not the point. And 2) that quote is relatable to girls in real life who don't see themselves as anything special.
19:37 Ha! They're terrified of brooms!
One of the characters gets to have a character arc in the sequels probaly because she was voiced by a celebrity in the 50s
safe to say Lady Tremaine would have no problem getting ridof her own daughters once she got what she wanted & they stopped being useful to her luckily with help from Cinderella Anasasia was able to relaize this and get away before it was too late. also like how in "A Cinderella Story" Anastasia in the sequals turned out to be the nicer or less mean of the sisters and was given a happy ending and friendship with Cinderella once she turned good