The Surprisingly Essential Plough Plane
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- Опубликовано: 13 июн 2024
- While intimidating at first sight, the plough plane may be your next woodworking secret weapon!
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0:00 Intro
0:33 Plough Planes
1:49 Frame and Panel
2:46 Groovy
3:35 Irons
4:41 Buying One
5:33 Using One
8:19 The 43
11:13 Outro
12:02 James
14:52 Bundle 
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Rex and James. A couple of regular guys that don’t portend to be perfect, even when they’re close. They are both practical and I like that quality.
Holy cow that Stanley 55 looks straight out of a Steampunk fantasy setting! Amazing tool.
With the Record 43 plough plain, you can cut an inside groove and an outside groove and then join them with a router plane to create grooves of any width the Record 43 can span. That's why to side rails are so long.
I am a hand tool woodworker. I consider the No 4 hand plane, Router hand plane, and plough plane should all be purchased at the same time as all three are essential in my opinion.
I only sort of half-heartedly (dis)agree, it really depends, as they say.
I had no use for the plough / combination plane in the beginning, but this heavily depends on the projects. Anything without drawers is a good start. Six board chest, Dutch tool chest, work bench, Richard Maguire's side table, dining table.... there's a ton without groves. (also the projects Rex presented so far).
Now I'm doing small cabinets with drawers, fitted a drawer to my Dutch tool chest, and I really enjoy using a plough plane (with a sticking board, also a good early project).
And the only power in my shop is the light. The rest, as Roy Underhill put it, is alcohol powered.
Yes, and don't buy a combination plane - even a good one like Veritas - unless you need a combination plane. A small plough plane is a better choice. Just don't buy a left handed one unless you need a left-handed one (or if you are left handed).
Why a #4 hand plane and not #5?
I recently bought a “new” Bailey #4, Gyokucho saw and Shinto (for endgrain work/tuning, as planes suck at endgrains). (I’m on a shoestring budget)
But, I still want/need a plough and router tho for drawers, boxes, more complex joints, etc.
Expensive tho! 😕
@@LessTalkMoreDelicious If you watch some of Paul Seller's RUclips videos, you can build those for very little money.
good to have Uncle Fester back with educational videos :)
Rex - you're part of the fantastic side of RUclips. Thanks for all your great videos!
I have my grandfather's Stanley 45, came with a few plow irons, found an original box and a full set of irons. Cleaned sharped an tuned it is a joy to use. Plus Everytime I use it my grandfather is with me in spirit.
I picked up am old Stanley with no cutters this summer, didn’t think i was in a rush to get cutters. So much for that plan now.
Hopefully its not a 45 or 50. Those individual irons are so expensive to get piece by piece.
@@thathandtoolguy Might’ve been a 50.
@@arlingtonhynes Those should be a bit easier to find.
Great review, Rex, thanks! I found a Stanley 45 with most of the cutters in a relative’s basement 25 years ago. I have taken it out several times but it will need a lot of work to free up the rusted-together parts. I keep putting off that job, but with this reminder of the 45’s utility, i am resolved to get it up and running soon.
Great video! My grandfather gave me a box of old wooden planes, plumb bobs, irons and as luck would have it, a plough plane. It's a great tool!
If you’re looking for flat glass for sharpening: I’ve always had good luck going to Goodwill and buying a bathroom scale for $3-$5. You’re going to be looking for ones with like 1/2” thick glass, but that’s just my preference. Hell, you know they’re all strong enough to hold 300+ pounds. I haven’t found any that were warped or out of true, but it’s probably a good idea to bring a straight edge to test with.
I got sooper lucky at the Re-Store and got pieces of thick glass. I bought the glass pane set off Taylor Tool anyway too for the price of the fancy micro film. I think it’s labeled as the Scary Sharp officially on there.
I use a mirrored sliding door from an old medicines cupboard. It’s already mounted, perfectly flat, and cost me nothing; skip dived it.
I went to dumb depot and got a 12x24 piece of floor tile. shiny, flat, $5.00
perfectly flat is an exaggeration. as flat as glass is, it's rarely ever perfect. it's just good enough for daily use. i mean seriously why do precision granite block if you could just use a 1/4 glass panel for all your metrology needs. haha.
frankly it doesn't need to be that flat.
@@BloodSprite-tan Using float glass that’s half a inch thick. I like to see the flatness by the surface smoothness by reflection. If my glass or whatever had any disruption in it it would be very easy to see. The power of light. I’m using mine for measuring machine tools too and use a granite plate that has more dips in it from wear. Glass is pretty amazing for sandpaper runs.
Rex, educational and entertaining😃😃😃 Good to you and James collaborating!!
5:33 This made the video worth it for me. I had no clue what those were used for until now. Thank you. No more trying to free hand sharpen chisels for me.
And if you're really lucky you can find a Stanley 55 with all it's blades in it's original box, minus lid, helping a friend clear a house prior to selling.
I also have a bookshelf/bureau that was built using the 55 by the original owner.
Total cost a few hours labour.
Wow. Shame you can't post pic of the 55, plus the bookshelf 🙂great find. ❤
Nice. I also found one, the tiny teensy problem is that it's currently being sold for 1,200.
About 3 years ago, I bought a complete Record 050C Combination plane, as new in box, in perfect condition with all bits and bobs and original accompanying literature, for £28. Then I was given a complete spare set of earlier model cutters in need of surface rust removal, kept in original wooden holder to max it out. I don't know what that's worth now but it isn't going anywhere because I love it and use it regularly. It's brilliant. Yes, there is a learning curve when changing from one setup to another but you soon get the hang of it. This kit does it all - almost...!
I've been doing a lot of 19th century house porch restoration in NY state.
So I've had to match the offset tongue and groove deck boards they used.
I've been doing the whole thing on my table saw and I feel like a chump. I feel like it's time to get a combo plane.
I have a Stanley 50. 2 years ago bought it online for about $40. It only had the 1/4 inch blade, which does a lot of work. Slowly added several more original blades, including ploughs and beads. Not expensive at all and cuts beautifully and smoothly. I set the blade with a small brass hammer and this can make real finesse changes. Really glad I got it. Others will find it very useful.
I’m so glad I bought my 45 years ago be for you two started collaborating to drive the prices up! 😂 in fact, I just cleaned it up to make a drawer bottom this week. Looking forward to putting it through the paces
Rex, Thank you a really useful video. I recently managed to obtain a refurbished Record 50A, a great hand tool. Love the channel, very inspirational.
I got one, with a whole set of cutters. Lovely bit of kit and often gets used instead of the router for cutting grooves and starting mouldings.
I have so many old hand tools and love keeping them in use. Looking forward to your video later.
Yes, the 050 or 051 is not bad :) using lots of candle wax on the sole and fence helps a ton. It can still be a bit of a clat though.
@@johanneswerner1140 so what is wrong with using a router to do the same thing?
Thanks Rex , brilliant as always, keep safe
Fantastic, Rex! Thanks a lot for all the tips! 😃
Stay safe there with your family! 🖖😊
Glad to see some love for the little 43. That thing is essential for me. The fence can be cleaned up and fitted with a wooden extension and the little blades can in a pinch be called into action when I need a chisel smaller than 1/4" for cleaning out little dovetails or whatever.
Excellent video. Thanks.
So the wooden plane I have with 5 blades, is a plow plane! Good to know. One of the wooden fence adjustment screws, has the end broke off reducing the amount of adjustment possible, but everything else looks good; just needs attention.
Great video Rex. I've been waiting for you to make one about plow plains. 👍
Have you seen Paul Seller's video on building a poor man's Rebate plane? Definitely worth a watch! =)
He's actually already got a video making his own version, it's rather good
Rex did it.
flammable woodworking when?
I made one from a 2x4. It works well. And Rex did a video too.
@@funmanteddy2726 It's already here lol ruclips.net/channel/UCPctvztDTC3qYa2amc8eTrg
Excellent info!
I learned this neat trick when using sharpening guides, instead of filing the chisel grooves square,all I did was put the cutting tool all the way down to the pins instead and tightened the tension. Sure you won't be getting a perfect 25° angle but with such low variation it doesn't matter and it comes out perfectly fine.
Great video!!! I have got Luban 43 which is a replica of the record 43 ( they have improved the handle and include 4 cutters). It's a little bit small but i love to work with it. Two weeks ago i made grooves in a frame i made to a mirror.
I would agree that the addition of a plough plane is essential. I have been lucky enough to pick up quite a few for next to nothing over the years. The one I seem to use the most is a cute little Rapier brand plough, has 3 cutters 1/16 1/8 and 1/4. When I am building bigger stuff the Stanley 45 and 55 come out to play
On your recommendation I got one of these. At first, I got a Record 050 and it is so much fun to use! A few parts were missing, though. I found a guy online not too far away from where we live and he helped me complete the Record 050. While I was there, he also showed me a Record 405 which so much better fits into my hand, so I bought that, too. Now I have two and enjoy them a lot. Thanks for that great tip and video!
Another great Rex video and a special guest. It must be Christmas 🌲
Interesting. I was just using a router plane with a guide for a lot of this. I also have a rebate plane. I'll be on the lookout for a plough plane now!
Because of this video I went out and got one. A Record 043. Game changer. Thank you.
I used those when I was 16 at school in 1970-71! Still have a table I inlaid a strip around the edge in a groove made by the plane
i made a simple grooving plane that makes a 1/4” wide hole 1/4” deep 1/4” away from the edge and it took me seriously like 4 hours and it does basically everything i need. I have a big fancy plough plane and i never use it, i just use the easy one thats always set up.
That's honestly what I've been contemplating doing. 90% of the time, if I'm cutting a groove, it's a drawer bottom.
Amazing content!
Acoustic guitar mandolin or any old school stringed instrument builds for the beginner i would love to see a series on this topic thanks so much for your hard work rex
Damn Kruger always showing me cool things I want but can do without.
I already had a Stanley #45 & #55 when I got my record #43. It has become my go-to for small grooves on boxes & drawers. I have since replaced it with the Veritas box maker's plow.
Well I have avoided those planes when iv come across them why coz I didn’t know what they did and looked so complicated. But know I feel like kicking myself o well you you live and learn lol. As always you have done your magic taken something that thought was complicated and made it simple and understandable. Thanks again
I also have the Record 50, it's a great plane. I've never used it for rebates or dados, mine only gets used for grooves and beads.
You're right - I have needed one before and didn't have it. Thankfully a dado blade and/or router did the trick, just with power.
Thanks for the great video.
I collect Carter Tools planes, which are Stanley copies made in Australia post WW2 when we couldn’t get tools from the US or UK.
I got a couple of the C54 and one of the C40 (only seen two of those in the wild) which are very similar to the two you showed in the video. I’ve always been frustrated with my results with them, but I’ll give them another try following your advice on how to get the best results from them
Thanks again
plane at 7:20 is cute. Woodworkers on some forums certainly add an auxiliary fence to make it more stable.
Record 043 is a little hot rod, Quick to set up and easy to use. The Record 050a makes for a good companion as well. I added little wood strips to the fences.
Love your videos!
I always enjoy your videos!
Hi Rex, knowing many watch your channel I would like to add a small something. I have plow planes, here's the cost in Australian dollars for good functional plows, here we go, Luban 43 small plow $350, Stanley 50 with 20ish cutters $350 -$450, Stanley 45 no blades $350 with blades $550 full set(3 boxes), Stanley 55, $500 - $800 no blades, Full set of 4 boxes $600 -1000. Australian dollars. Now in saying this you can buy ones cheaper but they are in very poor condition a ton of work refurbishing them and I mean a lot weeks day in day out. been there done that, but if you get them well you did well, now you need to learn how to use them. cheers
I've had one for ages but never really used it much. It's a record but it's got a crack in the handle. I might put a bit of effort in now to fix it up and use it
I bought a record 43 and then a full set of replacement blades for the luban plough plane, they all work perfectly in the 43!! cuts grooves up to 12mm width.
The Record 405 is the equivalent to the Stanley 45. As Rex said, they are very common in the UK. Also have optional hollow and round cutters for the 405. The Record 044 is a heavier built 043 with a true handle and more/bigger cutters and a threaded depth adjustment. wonderful planes and the 043/044 is truly an essential tool
Rex, my wife hates you! My fault…I watch constantly and your videos play in the background always!
Thanks!!!
Nice discussion. I've a Record 044. Using it is a learning process. There's a definite business potential for someone to start making blades for the old plow and router planes that fit properly, the way the originals were.
If you’re interested take a look at Workshop Heaven - they sell a set of 8 replacement cutters for the Record 044 for £41 or a set of 3 for the 043 for £13.
@@richardsinger01 Thanks for the suggestion. I looked, but couldn't locate any replace cutters except for some for the Quang Shen small router plane. I'll keep an eye on the site though.
@@theeddorian look for “Ray Iles Plane Irons”
As others have mentioned Ray Iles makes irons for the old 44 type planes, and numerous other old planes. The Veritas router blades fit the old Record and Stanley routers, you have to invert the adjustment nut to fit them :)
@@whittysworkshop982 "You have to invert the adjustment nut ... " which why I wrote ". . . fit properly." Thanks for the information about new plough plane blades. My 044 actually had blades with it when I bought it. The learning process is in getting it set up.
We don't have many handtools around so i probably would have to order this plane from outside my country and deal with shipping costs. However, I've been thinking of buying a trim router for a while now!
It's actually cheaper and it seems it can do most of what this tool can do, (and some moulding!)
It's a power tool but i'm not really opposing using both as long as it's an affordable quality option😂
I went to an antique shop some time ago and saw a Stanley no. 50. I had no idea what it was for, but at the price, I figured I should get it. Only one cutter and no depth stop, but what the hell. It's a .25" cutter and I can jerry-rig the rest.
Where I'm from, it starts at about US$210 for Irwin 778 and no Stanleys in sight! Sadly many things do not apply outside the US...
Hi rex , I watched this video but I won't comment until now .
Now I purchased one from veritas combination plane and it's gorgeous to use every time.
I've got the Stanley #45 type 7 from about 1907. Has all the cutters and other fiddly parts and it came in a finger joint Chestnut box. Still has most of the label, too. I've used it for making drawers and panel doors.
But I also have several other specialty planes from Stanley. The #48 T&G plane, the #78 fillister/rabbet plane and the #72 router plane, amongst others.
My #45 I bought off eBay and paid about $110 bucks several years ago.
I used to have a wooden screw arm plough plane with some old Mathis irons, but traded it off for other tools. It was more a collector's play purty to set on a shelf and look at than a tool to use.
I need one right now!
So the 50 can do every main task, but it would be wise to get:
- 43 plane for small grooves
- 50 plane for Tongue and Grooves
- Rabbet plane for rabbets
I bought a Stanley 45 with a 55 iron kit about 13 years ago to satisfy my "plough plane" needs...I have not been disappointed in the least.
I have both Stanley 45 and 55. They area joy to use but do have learning curves
I've just bought a Record 043, waiting on delivery. Though I know it's missing the depth stop and two cutters.
I have the Stanley 50, it's a great little plane. I found it works nice with shallow cuts, takes a bit longer. Also have a Stanley 55 (been in the family for years) I've only tried it once, takes a bit of setting up, wasn't too keen on it. I'll try it another again when I have more time.
Swap you a full set of record cutters, depth stop, fence for your 55? 🤭
EXCELLENT!!
I inherited a Stanley 55 from an uncle, and picked up a 45 and other planes from a friend who was getting rid of his grandfather's tools. I enjoy them all.
I would love to pick up a plow plane. Until I find one in a decent price, I’ll stick with my HarborFreight trim router. Not as romantic as hand tools, but it gets it done.
Right there with you buddy
I just got an old Stanley #45 and I use it to cut truss rod channels on guitar necks!
Just picked up a wedge arm plow and a fillister plane with all the parts from am estate sell for like 30 bucks. Fillister plane looks weird to me since it's the standard block body, but a place in the back where a tote was that's been broken off. Cant wait to clean them up and put them to use.
Love the collab with wood by wright!
I snagged a Stanley 12-250 with all the cutters (and original box and manual!) for about $150 shipped. It's a combination plane, rather than strictly a plow plane, but it's got the cutters to do all the plowing I'd ever need, it adjusts easily, and it feels pretty sturdy in the hand.
I have a Veritas combination plane...a bit pricey but worth every penny. (As a south paw, I particularly like the fact that it can be configured either for left or right handed operation).
In Europe, Ebay prices+delivery+taxes for old used plough planes are so high, that even new Veritas doesn't look to expensive.
By the way you n James wright are my favorite crossovers! You're the main guys I watch along with stumpy nubs and Rob cosman's
I love my Stanley plough/combination plane (a model 50 with complete cutter and accessory set). It's groovy! :) It's actually only my second plane! The other is a 5 1/2 Stanley clone made in West Germany.
Looks like I will be making a plow plane. Several years ago I bought a set (8 or 9) of plow plane irons in a box of stuff I actually wanted at an estate auction. No plane body anywhere in sight, I thought they were a set of very awkward mortising chisels. Thanks to this video, I finally know what they really are.
I bought a Chinese Plough Plane. One catch. They would not ship it to the US (something about being a sharp edged weapon?) So, my boss was in Hong Kong for business (pre Covid) and just brought it back for me. The one difficulty is that the fence has only one post. A bit wobbly. But, it works with the irons that came with it. Both MM and English widths. Came in handy to do Dados and grooves. Thanks Rex.
I'm glad to have been able to join your patreon today Rex 😊
Welcome!
I have just picked up a Stanley 13-052 so similar just with what looks like a bakerlight handle (i will be making a wooden one soon lol)
When I grow up, I wanna be like Rex
FWIW, the Veritas Combination Plane (sold by Lee Valley) was designed to correct the shortcomings of both the Record and Stanley models while still using the Record 405 & Stanley 45/55 blades. While the price *is* eye-watering, to be honest, it is built to be something that your great-great-great grandchildren will fight over.
Both you and Wood by Wright have raised these small plough planes recently, so prices may be heading up. I use a Stanley 50, which is nice for what it does.
Buyers should note that these should come with a chip deflector and a iron securing screw for he narrowest blades - but they’re usually missing.
Mine was missing these two pieces, but included the full set of cutters, all for $50.
Before purchasing, I recommend searching the web for the instruction manual. The manual will help identify the pieces you need, and sipped the learning process for using the plane.
Before buying
I believe Patreons get advance access to the videos so have a slightly better chance of still being able to pick up bargains before the Krueger/Wright effect comes into play 😉
Another valuable vid. I actually never knew how these plains work although I saw them in workshops many times LOL Thanks for sharing. BTW: The sound, sound a bit strange. Difficult to listen to it :)
Good job! Could you not get a bigger vice?! Seriously though, put the Yankee pump driver in the back of a drawer. They're great for hanging doors etc., but they are not much use for anything else. Get yourself some cabinet makers screw drivers of engineering screw drivers. These offer much more control and are capable of handing much more power. They're also 10 times safer in use that the Yankee. Keep up the good work!
Stanley 55 looks beyond steampunk. One of these would be a wonderful barn find.
Plow plane irons round the part of Northern California I live in, and on line, as far as that goes, are as rare as hen's teeth.
Hey Rex love your videos! I'm learning woodworking at the moment. Do you have a video explaining the purposes or reasons behind the different cuts routers or combo planes can do such as dados, beads, rabbits, etc? I see them all the time and hear them talked about but not sure of their purpose. Thanks!
I have a Siegley combination plane. Bought by Stanley in 1920 and Stanley kept making them. It was a worthy competitor to the #45, maybe a bit heavier. I also have a Veritas small plough plane. It's a bit easier to set up, doesn't do dados and is smaller & lighter. Veritas has 3 sizes of tongue blades and the Siegley has one.
You said "late 18th century" did you mean late 19th (1800s)? Because if you have a plane from the 1700s in that shape I'm impressed!
FYI Lee Valley Tools makes ALL of the cutters used in the Stanley 45 as they make their own 45 so just made the same cutters for it. LV has stores in both Canada and the US but all are made in Canada and are of superb quality selling for about the same price as Stanley parts.
Another nice one is the Stanley 46, which is a skew plough plane. It makes cutting endgrain much easier.
With a 46 and a 55, you can do just about anything, and even make your own custom blades.
I own the 45, 46, and 55. The 55 is expensive indeed, and finding one complete with all parts and cutters is not easy.
Love my Stanley 55. I have the stock 4 boxes of cutters and looking for bxs 5 and 6.
It looks like a very handy tool. One day I’ll run across one. Until then my router plane with fence works well for those functions.
Still the King of hand tools
Ok. I liked this episode! I have been wanting to get one of these. I have been unsuccessful to acquire one on ebay or anywhere else so far. One thing I have gotten my hands on is a set of "tools" for creating wood screws; dowel rods with threads and corresponding tools for creating the wood nuts. There are 7 different sizes. What I am wondering is: how do I effectively sharpen the "V" type blades? Where can I find replacement blades? Veritas has been no help...
For initial things, will a table saw work to cut grooves equally well? Obviously it won't do any shapes or curves...
Personally I would recommend the record 044 for grooving and the record 405 for everything else.
And remember it is very very easy to make your own custom irons.
I recently bought a Stanley 13-030 with a set of 3 cutters. Even with shipping from England included, it was pretty cheap and works great!
I tried to get one of those for this video! No joy.
@@RexKrueger Came to the comments to recommend these. They can be picked up (when you find them) for much cheaper than a Stanley 45 or 55. The build quality is not as good but they have some extra features and work well. The blades also fit 45s!
@@rjamsbury1 I have one. It has a nickname, the dog poo plane, due to the tote colour. It works fine but is limited to about 12mm in cutter size
@@damiendrohan9500 lol, can relate to that about the handle. Thought about making a wood replacement but not sure it's worth it.
@@rjamsbury1 it's not really a pretty enough plane for that. I will get something bigger at a later stage but it does fine now
Making a 1/4 inch grooving plane can be used to make goove of any size by moving along and repeating till you get the desired width