I'm not sure what the reviewer means when he says the motor "lacks character". Most everyone else has applauded it for its flexibility and smoothness. The exhaust and in-cabin sound is great as well, in my opinion. I think the optional $1,500 Performance Package is almost a must-have with this car, and would have addressed the small braking and handling issues the reviewer had. With the Performance Package you get an extra 10-hp, a locking, electronically-controlled limited-slip differential, and larger brakes. The fronts go from 12.3" to 13.4", and the rears from 10.7" to 12.2". I think the price is a steal for the upgrades you get. You can also get the Dynamic Chassis Control Package that provides adaptive damping, but only on the SE and Autobahn trims. It costs $800. That's a lot of performance upgrades for only $2300. VW deserves a lot of credit for keeping the pricing low for these goodies.
There is a reason why the Golf is always the hatchback that every other hatchback gets compared to. They have pretty much set the standard since the early 90's. Matt's use of the word "planted" is spot on. I wouldn't buy a Golf myself (except for a Mark I/II with a swapped VR6 engine, or a Golf R32) They are a bit too common for me, and I like to be a little unique snowflake. And the 2.0T engine has great aftermarket support.
Sounds like a good review! This is top of my list for next car, and I've had extended test drives in several. I've owned a '04 1.8T for over ten years and done several track days with it (and accumulated some chassis mods over the years too). GTIs are never about wowing you on first impression or even in a week, which is why I think they get under-reviewed by press people, but when you have one for years and you realize that it has never ever disappointed because it does everything you want from a car at least pretty well, then you go WOW. And it's a big wow. Because it is comfortable, and quiet, and efficient, and spacious, and practical, and fun, and reasonably track-capable, and reasonably affordable, all in one package. There are cars that can do better in a couple arenas but in all arenas? Not really, no. I still want to try a Fiesta ST but have to say in comparison to the Focus ST, the MkVII has better steering, it has a better seating position and pedal layout, it has a nicer feeling interior with more intuitive controls, it has a better trunk, it has less road noise, it gets better mileage, it has better visibility, and while they both have good shifters, the MkVII isn't buried in this weird well between the armrest and dashboard where you're hitting your hand on all the other pieces of interior trim when you try to shift like the Focus! Even the GTI's seats are amazing and compete strongly with the Ford's optional Recaros, and blow the standard chairs out of the water. Yeah the Focus ST probably has that 10% more starch in its suspension, it is a really great suspension, and yeah the Focus has a bit more grunt and a little more character in its engine note, but overall, the Focus ST is less than the sum of its parts and the GTI is more than the sum of its parts. Glad to see a track review of the non-performance package. You made a comment about the brakes being slightly overwhelmed on this track, which would be one of the biggest reasons to get the performance package, but otherwise it's good to see that a standard GTI can do some hot laps without falling over itself. As for the long gearing, I'm really happy with how they geared this GTI. In my 5 speed, 1st goes to 40 MPH, 2nd goes to 70, 3rd goes to 100, 4th goes to 125, and 5th nets you 2900 RPM at 70 MPH. It works great with the torque bands of these motors but needs a 6th gear for cruising. Well, for years, VW has been offering 6 speeds where the highway revs in 6th were still too high and all the gears were crammed together too closely for the torque bands. Finally they've figured out that 6th is for cruising on the highway at 70+, 5th is a great "expressway gear" when you're running 50-65, and then 1-4 are spaced widely but not too widely for the torque band. These things haul in the real world, they're properly quick cars. P.S. no you can't fully defeat the stability control from the factory, but you can modify the function of the ESP button with a VAGCOM so it does turn off completely. That's been how VW has done their ESP systems since 2006, for better or worse.
Wow - you should have a credit in the title for this review! Wonderful feedback. I drive a MKV Golf (Rabbit) and still love driving it, can't imagine that the GTI could possibly be any less enjoyable.
I'm especially loving these One Take on the track videos. Matt, thanks for the effort you put into these videos, I think you might be my favorite car reviewer on RUclips at this point.
Thanks for the commentary, Matt! I've heard only a slight bit about the gearing of the new car, so it was really interesting to hear your impression of it. As you found, VW does not let you switch off Stability Control, although it is possible through aftermarket support. I used to think that was disappointing, but unless you want to drive it sideways, it's not a deal-breaker for me.
Thank you for noticing the great gearing.IMO that's great for track and road. Since I can blast accelerate in 1>2 then throw it in 6th and cruise. I average 35+mpg.
Matt, you gotta drive one of these again with an APR Stage 1 tune since most enthusiasts who buy one are going to tune it. You're looking at 315bhp/385tq with just the tune!
Wow I hadn't looked at APR's mk7 numbers, the gains from just a stage 1 tune are pretty nuts (~114 tq 87 hp). Better than what I get out of a stage 2 setup on my mk6 (~87 tq 71 hp). And the mk7 starts with better base numbers to begin with. Makes me think about trading in, damn!
bbroogs if you replace the turbo back exhaust, and all the boltons, with good tune it goes to 360hp & 390 something torque! stage 2.5+ i guess :) the stock turbos are OP haha
At first I was irritated by no PP or DSG, but this is actually a great test, this might be the slowest GTI you can get, so it's good to see the range of speed it could do. Yes, a lot kitted PP DSG, no satnav, no sunroof ect, should still be done, but this isn't a bad test if you think about it - someone will buy a car like this.
It’s interesting coming back to this video now that the ST fords are gone and Mazdaspeed is gone. I got a 2019 GTI SE and it was 95% there, and went ahead with the newly available APR Plus (warrantied) tune. It’s a fabulous package. It’s not perfect, but having driven many Fiesta ST’s, I gotta say that this Mk 7.5 is better. The fiesta is more fun in the short term, but eventually, like all cars, they become cars, and as a car the VW is leagues better. It’s not quite as ragged, but you come to appreciate that after a while. I love the Fiesta ST, it will always have a spot in my heart as one of the best little pocket rockets made. At the end of the day, I never made it home with one, and that’s after having a Gen 2 Genesis Coupe, ND1 Miata, and 981 Cayman S. Also, to comment on the gearing, it’s long but it suits the power band. The turbo dies really hard above 4500-5000 rpm, and with short gears you’d be always out of the power band. Long gears work well, as you can have the turbo pull you from 3500 onwards, and you don’t really notice that 2nd goes above 70, because there’s not much reason to be up there. A solid review as always
This car is quick. This car with a stage one tune from APR is fast. 300 ft lbs and 270 hp with stage 1 tune and intake. And definitely more fun to drive then a tuned fiesta ST.
Sandro focus st is for people with less money who still want a fun drive but the gti is more of a drivers car way better quality interior and just overall better than the plastic st
Mk5 gti are sexy. I actually beat one in my mk5 rabbit! Only because I got the drop on one at a 40mph roll. I won because mine was a manual transmission.
Was the GTi faster than the Mustang GT? U didn't tell us the top speed on the front straight but it seemed to be quick. You do a swell job conveying the level of fun and confidence that a car gives you while you are experiencing it. I think people don't grasp how difficult that can be. Thanks for real car content with entertaining commentary.
TheSmokingTire Have you driven the performance pack GTI on track, is there any noticable difference with the diff? I have a '14 GTI myself, and they only come loaded with the Performance Pack standard here in Sweden, so I dont know anything other, how big the difference is. But it sure shoots out of the bends quite well. Love it
I love the 2.0T to death, by far one of my favourite engines as far as compact-midsize go. But you're right, it's not exciting, despite having all the potential one could ever need. It's like dancing the electric slide but without hand gestures.
hey matt when r u gonna drive the ats 3.6 on this track, i know u r not big fan of the caddy but still we would like to know how that thing holds up on the track against all these cars....... P.S and yes i am an owner of a 3.6 ats (performance pack). :)
With longer gearing, each gear covers a wider range of speeds. The benefit is better mpg and lower cruising RPM. With shorter gearing, each gear has narrower range of speed. Instead of 2nd gear hitting 63mph it might hit 55-57mph (forcing a sprint to 60mph to happen in 3rd gear, which can really hinder a 0-60 number ex: Fiesta ST and Toyobaru Triplets). Shorter gearing is good for better / more brisk acceleration. Good or bad depends on the application.
Matt you've driven the previous gen GTI as well in one of your older videos. You took it to a small track and tested it. Seemed like you enjoyed it there. Can you comment on how it compared to this newer version? Pros of cons of both? I'm looking into a GTI, so I want to know if I should save up for the new ones or just get the previous gen. I'm not really finding it worth to upgrade from what I've seen so far though. Your thoughts?
the new car is definitely worth the upgrade. the problem with the mark 6 and mark 5 was that the mark 6 was basically a mark 5 gti repacked and restyled with the same engine and suspension. I have driven the new mark 7 and was immensely impressed by the improvement (weight loss, styling, and power package which comes with that lsd). Also the turbo on the new 2.0 t is apparently alot better and individuals with ONLY an apr TUNE are pushing well over 300HP. I would hands down get the new car and this is coming from a mark 6 gti owner who has a tune, exhaust, downpipe, and intake ( running 260hp and 300tq roughly).
yah thats at the crank. my car runs 240hp and 260tq roughly to the wheels with all those mods. with a simple tune (roughly 500-800 dollars) you can make more hp at the crank and wheels with the new mark 7 gti. According to apr its 305hp and 371tq roughly at the crank, with just a tune.
no i would say its the smart mans A4 tbh. The A4, A5, Gti, Gli, and older A3 all have roughly the same 2.0t engine. The only thing your paying for in an audi is that slightly higher level of interior refinement and different exterior look. Only time i would get an audi personally is if i got a S4, S5, R8, or RS5.
Hey Matt, Just curious, how tall are you? I am 6'6 and need a new car. I currently drive a v70 wagon, and need more legroom. I've sat in the mk7 and don't fit. Any suggestions?
Andrew Garrow I'm 6'3" which is about the limit for fitting in most things. My Raptor was about the roomiest car I've ever owned, would you consider a pickup truck? The new F150 is sweet. In the sedan world, the E-class and new CTS are both pretty spacious, and Cayennes/Touaregs/Q7 too.
TheSmokingTire Yeah I have looked at Silverados and Diesel Touaregs. I liked the Touareg quite a bit, but i drove my friend's supercharged tundra the other day which was pretty sweet. Thanks for responding! It's tough for tall people :/
Nice Matt thanks for reviewing the new MK7, I have been in doubt for a while now, I like sporty and a quality/refined interior. Which one do you think is best for me GTI or STI?
BCH37501 I have heard the same and I think it is, but what about performance wise? If it's a huge difference I rather sacrifice a little interior and buy the STI but if minimal GTI.
Re: interior The GTI interior is miles ahead of the STi. Although, the new STi (15+) certainly has the nicest interior of any STi to date. That's not saying a whole lot, though. The quality of the materials in the STi is simply lacking and the interior looks a bit muddled or odd up front. It is essentially a standard Impreza interior with a different steering wheel and nicer seats. There are some new soft touch plastics on the dash, which is way nicer than the hard dash on the previous gen, but the center console and doors are just as hard and unpleasant as before. Everything scratches easily. The GTI, on the other hand, has soft plastics in a lot more places, and everything you are going to touch throughout the car has a more "substantial" feel to it, if that makes sense. The leather is also a nicer quality than a WRX limited or STi limited (standard STi has Alcantara inserts on the seats). It's also a lot quieter and just feels more solid; from the door closures to the glovebox, everything just feels purposeful, whereas the WRX/STi feels like it will always work, but it will rattle and squeak when doing so. The STi is a "harder" car in terms of daily living. The new one is even stiffer I believe. I don't have much seat time in the new one, but the GR (previous gen) is a bit rough on crappy roads. As far as performance goes, they are two different markets, honestly. The price points are different and it's a FWD vs AWD comparison, not to mention the STi has about 90 more hp. The Golf R would be what I would compare to the STi. Ultimately, no one can tell you which one is best for you; you will just have to get out there and drive them and make a decision. I went with the Subaru, FWIW, but that was comparing the GR WRX to the MK6 GTI.
Great to see it was an enjoyable drive. Really hoping the Mk7 Golf R will be able to step up more into Evo/STI territory in the fun and speed department out of the box. Any chance of a review of that when they're available in the states?
BBDSmint All wheel drive. Check on both cars. 290+bhp. Check on both cars. Manual transmission. Check on both cars. I think the fact that the lancer is 4 doors will make it a bit heavier and/or less rigid. The suspension on the R should be better in theory. I think the MK7 Golf R will give the Evo a run for it's money.
Tyler Gough We hope so. Tanner was driving a Golf R in Europe when I was over there with him and Forza Horizon 2, and he seemed to really like it. We weren't big fans of the last Golf R, mainly because it wasn't fun enough to justify the price premium over a GTI and because you couldn't defeat traction control.
However the Golf has none of the AYC wizardry that makes the Evo so quick through a b-road, and whilst the US Evo gets 291 stock horsepower, I live in the UK so we get the FQ models, a Golf R won't touch an FQ-360 or 400. I forgot that you guys don't get those ones. Of course the R and the 290hp MR will probably be quite similar! Also, whilst the Evo X's 4B11T is no 4G63 by any means, it's still a cracking engine and I'd argue has far more character than the modern Golf 2.0s.
BBDSmint Definitely not touching the FQs, that's for the R-400 if it ever comes out. I totally agree that current Golf R can't touch the MR stock. And even with modification, the MR is probably a better platform for a highly tuned or track prepped car. That said, I bought a mk6 Golf R because I liked having the practicality of a hatch, a nice interior, a smooth ride, and the fact not everyone who gets in the car thinks your a boy racer (not that's always a bad thing :)). The new R also has some interesting things that should help, like a new haldex system, adjustable dampers, DSG, and upgraded engine internals. I still agree that it might not be as fast and refined a driver's car as the Evo, but I'm hoping its closer, so the Mk7 could be a real have your cake and eat it too ride.
TheSmokingTire I understand this is probably wishful thinking but is there anything like this for non-journalist? I know Mazda and GM did the Rev It Up thing in the past which I've done and as well as BFG's tire test but they were mostly auto-x style. It'd be cool to test drive some cars at higher limits than the "around the block" while trying to not get pulled over.
Canada is getting them - they are order only and limited production. Also... $44-48k depending your options. You can get a used Porsche Cayman for that damn price... so you better really love VWs for that insane $$$
We're getting it next spring. VW hasn't yet started taking pre-orders for it, though. And we'll have to wait a couple of months beyond that to get the manual version, unfortunately. The Golf R base price here in the States is $39,090.
Jeff Puha Yeah that sounds about right. I've been looking to buy a 2015 WRX STI and they are 42-43k here and 38k in the states. So that pricing for the GTI R sounds about it... even though the price difference sucks for my side :P
Jeston Aylen I think a lot has to do with the exchange rate. As of today, If the WRX STi is 38k USD here, then it would be 44k CAD in Canada. So, I guess the price is really the same. Does that sound right?
The Performance Pack (and even optional Dynamic Chassis Control) is almost a must on this car. I wish it were standard honestly. Otherwise it is a very sporting and comfy car but no track darling.
You nailed the part about the engine lacking character. I have a GTI with a 2.0, and while it's relatively zippy, it's just not an exciting experience.
Actually, its only US VWs that can't turn traction control off, or at least it is as far as I know. My EU GTI can have everything turned off with one button
BBDSmint It's just the US. Canada VW's can turn it fully off as well. I guess the Germans don't think we can handle the car when we have to be fully in control.
I test drove one a few months ago. Awesome, refined daily driver that's pretty fun to drive. But I agree with Matt on the engine. It has very little character despite a broad torque band. I used to own a 2011 A3 with essentially the same 2.0T and it kept misfiring on me at around 25k miles with just an APR Stage 1 tune. Eventually had to replace the intake manifold. My housemate's mk6 GTI had the same issue with no tune. So that might be a long-term issue with the new GTI as well.
dragkid185 The first time it happened to my A3, I had one of the coilpacks replaced. On the 2nd time, 2 coilpacks were replaced and the entire intake manifold was replaced. My friend's GTI apparently just had carbon buildup in the intake manifold, and once that was cleaned it was fine (for now). So maybe not the same issue, but both resulted in misfires and a CEL.
MKVI GTI have an extended warranty up to 120,000 miles or 2017ish, on the injectors and intake manifold. Check with your local dealer to verify. I had my intake manifold, an injector, and a coil pack all go bad within one week of each other. VW took care of all of it via the extended warranty. My 2010 GTI had 90,000 miles on it at the time. They also recommended cleaning the carbon due to the direct injection not being able to clean the valves. I had them take photos and send it to me prior. It was indeed filthy and caked on. This is a $600-$1200 job depending on the dealer and country you live in. The intake manifold needs to be removed and VW's labor is listed as 6 hours, even though it takes 30 minutes to remove, about an hour to clean, and another 30 to assemble.
Personally bugged by people comparing the Golf GTI to the Fiesta ST so much. Is it because the GTI can't hang with the Focus ST? Either way, Golf GTI has been the same car for too long. Back in 2008 my coworker got a new GTI and I thought it was rad back then but 6+ years later it needs some oomph.
We get shafted here because of bullshit taxes. Perfect example of this is the Acura MDX. That SUV is 100% made in this country and is $10K more expensive here than it is in the US.
I also think it's because the Canada and America Automotive agreement, that puts taxes on car parts and cars. The worst thing with Honda is they won't give you a warranty if you buy one in the states and bring it to Canada. I don't think it's the exchange rate because I just converted $28000USD and its $31460CAD. But in Portugal I don't see why it isn't cheaper, it's a European car. Doesn't Germany use euros like Portugal does?
I bought a brand new '13 GLI, loved the car REALLY fun to drive. But the quality of the car overall underwhelmed me. By 15k I had so many interior rattles I got rid of it. Wish they were built just a tad better. Hopefully they build the GTI's with a little more quality.
Ask any major publication ever. GTI ALL DAY. www.caranddriver.com/comparisons/2015-subaru-wrx-vs-2015-volkswagen-gti-comparison-test www.motortrend.com/roadtests/hatchbacks/1407_comparison_four_fun_sporty_runabouts_under_30000/ It's the North American and World Car of the Year for a reason. WRX does two things well, AWD and because of AWD, 0-60. Outside of that the GTI is better in every way.
mk6dub Damn you are totally right! I thought the GTI was around 40K and the R above that but they are actually respectively almost the same price as the WRX and the STI... I guess now it's a matter of preference... I would get the WRX for it's AWD tho, I'm a subaru fanboy ;) Although I'd love to have a GTI too :D
Matt doesnt like the 2.0 TFSI? T_T Its a good engine tho, very reliable :D btw in VWs you cant turn of the ESP completely...thats some sort of a safety aspect :P
Matt has an obvious Ford bias. This GTI is much more than a " take the family to dinner car"! C'mon Matt, the GTI is a perfect car. Fun, Fast, economical and refined. killed the Fiesta IMHO.
That kinda makes sense, but it still runs 3k at 70-75mph like every other four cylinder I've been in so I'm not sure about that..it also could be Matt's use to 6/7/8 speed transmissions that typically have shorter individual gear ratios.
Sam Buffington The two cars I drove immediately before the GTI, the 2015 Mustangs, had much shorter gears. As far as I can recall, only the Corvette and Viper have longer manual gears than the GTI does.
Your 03 jetta also most likely only has 5 gears. The new gti has a 6 speed which usually has shorter gears than a five speed because it has an extra gear (my 2011 gti maxes third at around 78mph compared to 85-90+ on a 5 speed) which is why it's interesting this gti has gears so long with a 6 speed.
The word you are looking for is predictable. Handling at the limit is never ragged, it just simply works. The long gearing is for achieving those 30+mpg numbers. As a mk6 GTI autobahn owner, I've never once said "geez I wish this car handled better, or went faster". Because fact is, If you are driving it at 100% on the street/ winding back road... you are already likely to wind up in jail. The only time I'd want anything faster, would be a track.
Crap...i keep coming back to this car. I need a good fun daily driver i can take to the track in a pinch. I have an exige for track and manual fun... the focus and fiesta st are manual only.. i keep coming back to the gti for its dsg trans. Plus this has a much more useable hatch area than the fords.
you'll be happier with a GTI over a focus or fiesta ST anyway. It's much nicer and more suitable for an everyday car and will hold its value better. Performance is easy with a stage 1 tune expect around 320hp 400ft lbs of torque with the mk7. Pair that power with the PP's LSD, DSG trans and a great chassis like the gti and you have a great car
A bit biased, seeing as your own car is a FOCUS-- great if you have the chance/roads race around daily - but for most people the GTI is a much better car to own and occasionally race around in
Great cars but modern GTIs definitely peaked with the Mk5, a lot more fun but still very tunable - with a simple stage 1 and exhaust they're very very quick
What gets me is that these testers? Don't read the manual to know the settings and how things are supposed to work in vehicles they test and critique. Before then get to drive and test for us on tracks. Suspect now on all these tests and reviews.
It feels German Matt. That is the word you were searching for.
I'm not sure what the reviewer means when he says the motor "lacks character". Most everyone else has applauded it for its flexibility and smoothness. The exhaust and in-cabin sound is great as well, in my opinion.
I think the optional $1,500 Performance Package is almost a must-have with this car, and would have addressed the small braking and handling issues the reviewer had. With the Performance Package you get an extra 10-hp, a locking, electronically-controlled limited-slip differential, and larger brakes. The fronts go from 12.3" to 13.4", and the rears from 10.7" to 12.2". I think the price is a steal for the upgrades you get.
You can also get the Dynamic Chassis Control Package that provides adaptive damping, but only on the SE and Autobahn trims. It costs $800. That's a lot of performance upgrades for only $2300. VW deserves a lot of credit for keeping the pricing low for these goodies.
There is a reason why the Golf is always the hatchback that every other hatchback gets compared to. They have pretty much set the standard since the early 90's. Matt's use of the word "planted" is spot on. I wouldn't buy a Golf myself (except for a Mark I/II with a swapped VR6 engine, or a Golf R32) They are a bit too common for me, and I like to be a little unique snowflake.
And the 2.0T engine has great aftermarket support.
Sounds like a good review! This is top of my list for next car, and I've had extended test drives in several. I've owned a '04 1.8T for over ten years and done several track days with it (and accumulated some chassis mods over the years too). GTIs are never about wowing you on first impression or even in a week, which is why I think they get under-reviewed by press people, but when you have one for years and you realize that it has never ever disappointed because it does everything you want from a car at least pretty well, then you go WOW. And it's a big wow. Because it is comfortable, and quiet, and efficient, and spacious, and practical, and fun, and reasonably track-capable, and reasonably affordable, all in one package. There are cars that can do better in a couple arenas but in all arenas? Not really, no.
I still want to try a Fiesta ST but have to say in comparison to the Focus ST, the MkVII has better steering, it has a better seating position and pedal layout, it has a nicer feeling interior with more intuitive controls, it has a better trunk, it has less road noise, it gets better mileage, it has better visibility, and while they both have good shifters, the MkVII isn't buried in this weird well between the armrest and dashboard where you're hitting your hand on all the other pieces of interior trim when you try to shift like the Focus! Even the GTI's seats are amazing and compete strongly with the Ford's optional Recaros, and blow the standard chairs out of the water. Yeah the Focus ST probably has that 10% more starch in its suspension, it is a really great suspension, and yeah the Focus has a bit more grunt and a little more character in its engine note, but overall, the Focus ST is less than the sum of its parts and the GTI is more than the sum of its parts.
Glad to see a track review of the non-performance package. You made a comment about the brakes being slightly overwhelmed on this track, which would be one of the biggest reasons to get the performance package, but otherwise it's good to see that a standard GTI can do some hot laps without falling over itself. As for the long gearing, I'm really happy with how they geared this GTI. In my 5 speed, 1st goes to 40 MPH, 2nd goes to 70, 3rd goes to 100, 4th goes to 125, and 5th nets you 2900 RPM at 70 MPH. It works great with the torque bands of these motors but needs a 6th gear for cruising. Well, for years, VW has been offering 6 speeds where the highway revs in 6th were still too high and all the gears were crammed together too closely for the torque bands. Finally they've figured out that 6th is for cruising on the highway at 70+, 5th is a great "expressway gear" when you're running 50-65, and then 1-4 are spaced widely but not too widely for the torque band. These things haul in the real world, they're properly quick cars.
P.S. no you can't fully defeat the stability control from the factory, but you can modify the function of the ESP button with a VAGCOM so it does turn off completely. That's been how VW has done their ESP systems since 2006, for better or worse.
Wow - you should have a credit in the title for this review! Wonderful feedback. I drive a MKV Golf (Rabbit) and still love driving it, can't imagine that the GTI could possibly be any less enjoyable.
This, I wish the gearing on my R32 was better. 5th gear rpm vs 6th gear rpm are basically the same.
I'm loving these one takes you're doing. Nice to get something about your impressions right away. Keep 'em coming!
I'm especially loving these One Take on the track videos. Matt, thanks for the effort you put into these videos, I think you might be my favorite car reviewer on RUclips at this point.
Well said, I was thinking the same thing! The 'one take' format seems to give a pretty raw, reactionary quality to the review, which I like!
Thanks for the commentary, Matt! I've heard only a slight bit about the gearing of the new car, so it was really interesting to hear your impression of it. As you found, VW does not let you switch off Stability Control, although it is possible through aftermarket support. I used to think that was disappointing, but unless you want to drive it sideways, it's not a deal-breaker for me.
Had fun watching this. Great video, great hatch.
Nice vid !! Glad too see approval from a guy who drives just about everything out there. A true car enthusiast if I may. ☝️
Thank you for noticing the great gearing.IMO that's great for track and road. Since I can blast accelerate in 1>2 then throw it in 6th and cruise. I average 35+mpg.
there are not many journalists who can review the car while driving it (definetely not lieberman) and do it well. Great review, you're natural.
First "one take" I've ever seen that you actually mispronounce words! Keep this videos coming, you the man Farah!
Matt, you gotta drive one of these again with an APR Stage 1 tune since most enthusiasts who buy one are going to tune it. You're looking at 315bhp/385tq with just the tune!
Cory Deines I'd love to. If someone wants to meet me in LA with one I'm down.
Wow I hadn't looked at APR's mk7 numbers, the gains from just a stage 1 tune are pretty nuts (~114 tq 87 hp). Better than what I get out of a stage 2 setup on my mk6 (~87 tq 71 hp). And the mk7 starts with better base numbers to begin with. Makes me think about trading in, damn!
bbroogs Haha I know, it's crazy. I still love my Mk6, but you can't argue with those Mk7 numbers.
bbroogs if you replace the turbo back exhaust, and all the boltons, with good tune it goes to 360hp & 390 something torque! stage 2.5+ i guess :) the stock turbos are OP haha
those numbers are way off
Those one take videos are very good, i especially like your honesty and concision.
Love these track vids Matt!
At first I was irritated by no PP or DSG, but this is actually a great test, this might be the slowest GTI you can get, so it's good to see the range of speed it could do. Yes, a lot kitted PP DSG, no satnav, no sunroof ect, should still be done, but this isn't a bad test if you think about it - someone will buy a car like this.
I love these One Take videos, keep up the AMAZING work Matt!!!
I think I'm going to buy this car. Thank's Matt.
Yeah GTI's are aways fun cars to drive, and it's hard to put into words.
I wish you would have had the one with the performance package. :-\
It’s interesting coming back to this video now that the ST fords are gone and Mazdaspeed is gone. I got a 2019 GTI SE and it was 95% there, and went ahead with the newly available APR Plus (warrantied) tune. It’s a fabulous package. It’s not perfect, but having driven many Fiesta ST’s, I gotta say that this Mk 7.5 is better.
The fiesta is more fun in the short term, but eventually, like all cars, they become cars, and as a car the VW is leagues better. It’s not quite as ragged, but you come to appreciate that after a while. I love the Fiesta ST, it will always have a spot in my heart as one of the best little pocket rockets made. At the end of the day, I never made it home with one, and that’s after having a Gen 2 Genesis Coupe, ND1 Miata, and 981 Cayman S.
Also, to comment on the gearing, it’s long but it suits the power band. The turbo dies really hard above 4500-5000 rpm, and with short gears you’d be always out of the power band. Long gears work well, as you can have the turbo pull you from 3500 onwards, and you don’t really notice that 2nd goes above 70, because there’s not much reason to be up there.
A solid review as always
This car is quick. This car with a stage one tune from APR is fast. 300 ft lbs and 270 hp with stage 1 tune and intake. And definitely more fun to drive then a tuned fiesta ST.
The mk7 makes more power with apr stage 1.....go look at there web site.
Reeeaaaallly looking forward to the "R" !! I think the VW 2.0 needs a tune in pretty much every application!
Damn, it is stable and grown up. Worth the extra $$$ over the Focus ST.
***** That's the dumbest thing I've ever heard.
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*It's also German. Which means it will constantly break down and cost a fortune to fix.
There, I fixed that for ya.
***** lol not true at all in terms of depreciation and repairs
No, I don't think so. I've owned the mk6 gti and driving the focus st is just WAY more enjoyable.
Sandro focus st is for people with less money who still want a fun drive but the gti is more of a drivers car way better quality interior and just overall better than the plastic st
It is still milles ahead of the Ford Focus ST but its not fun as the old MK5.. buuut it is a GOOOD car thou. :)
Mk5 gti are sexy. I actually beat one in my mk5 rabbit! Only because I got the drop on one at a 40mph roll. I won because mine was a manual transmission.
Omar Alvarado I did own a MK5 GTI with DSG! Loved it, but then i got the Mk6, and it Kinda fall downhill from there.. :=
***** Ya, they are in the same class, like the MEGANE RS or the Opel Astra OPC..
In what way is it miles ahead?
Bob Yeah don't think its MILES ahead of my car just look at Car and Drivers Lightning Lap...Focus ST wins by 3 secs.
Nice drive around and good commentary.
Was the GTi faster than the Mustang GT? U didn't tell us the top speed on the front straight but it seemed to be quick. You do a swell job conveying the level of fun and confidence that a car gives you while you are experiencing it. I think people don't grasp how difficult that can be. Thanks for real car content with entertaining commentary.
TheSmokingTire Have you driven the performance pack GTI on track, is there any noticable difference with the diff?
I have a '14 GTI myself, and they only come loaded with the Performance Pack standard here in Sweden, so I dont know anything other, how big the difference is. But it sure shoots out of the bends quite well. Love it
I think I like your channel better than Drive lol
Love the vids
Damn Matt farah passes everyone on the track.
That 228i was being driven by a grandma pressing the brakes halfway down a straight.
I love the 2.0T to death, by far one of my favourite engines as far as compact-midsize go. But you're right, it's not exciting, despite having all the potential one could ever need. It's like dancing the electric slide but without hand gestures.
Great work Matt. I was leaning towards this car but I'll pass it for an Audi S3.
Are you guys getting the Golf R in the US?
i was wondering too cause its SO MUCH better..
The seven is a great car :)!! I like.
Matt, did you drive the viper? Please tell me you drove it.
hey matt when r u gonna drive the ats 3.6 on this track, i know u r not big fan of the caddy but still we would like to know how that thing holds up on the track against all these cars.......
P.S and yes i am an owner of a 3.6 ats (performance pack). :)
eusaphzai We didn't get a chance to track test the ATS V6, though we did do a street review of it here: Cadillac ATS Review - One Take
newbie question. what does he mean by the long gearing? (is it a good thing or a bad thing)
With longer gearing, each gear covers a wider range of speeds. The benefit is better mpg and lower cruising RPM.
With shorter gearing, each gear has narrower range of speed. Instead of 2nd gear hitting 63mph it might hit 55-57mph (forcing a sprint to 60mph to happen in 3rd gear, which can really hinder a 0-60 number ex: Fiesta ST and Toyobaru Triplets). Shorter gearing is good for better / more brisk acceleration.
Good or bad depends on the application.
Matt you've driven the previous gen GTI as well in one of your older videos. You took it to a small track and tested it. Seemed like you enjoyed it there. Can you comment on how it compared to this newer version? Pros of cons of both? I'm looking into a GTI, so I want to know if I should save up for the new ones or just get the previous gen. I'm not really finding it worth to upgrade from what I've seen so far though. Your thoughts?
the new car is definitely worth the upgrade. the problem with the mark 6 and mark 5 was that the mark 6 was basically a mark 5 gti repacked and restyled with the same engine and suspension. I have driven the new mark 7 and was immensely impressed by the improvement (weight loss, styling, and power package which comes with that lsd). Also the turbo on the new 2.0 t is apparently alot better and individuals with ONLY an apr TUNE are pushing well over 300HP. I would hands down get the new car and this is coming from a mark 6 gti owner who has a tune, exhaust, downpipe, and intake ( running 260hp and 300tq roughly).
Armenier are those horsepower figures at the crank?
yah thats at the crank. my car runs 240hp and 260tq roughly to the wheels with all those mods. with a simple tune (roughly 500-800 dollars) you can make more hp at the crank and wheels with the new mark 7 gti. According to apr its 305hp and 371tq roughly at the crank, with just a tune.
I'd get the new car. The revised infotainment, extended warranty, and (depending on credit) new car financing is worth the price of entry.
no i would say its the smart mans A4 tbh. The A4, A5, Gti, Gli, and older A3 all have roughly the same 2.0t engine. The only thing your paying for in an audi is that slightly higher level of interior refinement and different exterior look. Only time i would get an audi personally is if i got a S4, S5, R8, or RS5.
Loved the review, subscribed!!! Would like to see a GTI stage 1 test or stage 2
Hey Matt,
Just curious, how tall are you? I am 6'6 and need a new car. I currently drive a v70 wagon, and need more legroom. I've sat in the mk7 and don't fit. Any suggestions?
Andrew Garrow I'm 6'3" which is about the limit for fitting in most things. My Raptor was about the roomiest car I've ever owned, would you consider a pickup truck? The new F150 is sweet. In the sedan world, the E-class and new CTS are both pretty spacious, and Cayennes/Touaregs/Q7 too.
TheSmokingTire Yeah I have looked at Silverados and Diesel Touaregs. I liked the Touareg quite a bit, but i drove my friend's supercharged tundra the other day which was pretty sweet. Thanks for responding! It's tough for tall people :/
TheSmokingTire Oh, and I am only 16, so money is a limiting factor...
Did you try the Golf R?
Love my MK6 but very interested in the MK7 now.
i like these kinds of vids, not really like i love them xD
Nice Matt thanks for reviewing the new MK7, I have been in doubt for a while now, I like sporty and a quality/refined interior. Which one do you think is best for me GTI or STI?
I feel like the GTI is slightly overpriced.
Chuzo1946 From what I've read and heard, the GTI has a better interior than an STI.
BCH37501 I have heard the same and I think it is, but what about performance wise? If it's a huge difference I rather sacrifice a little interior and buy the STI but if minimal GTI.
Re: interior
The GTI interior is miles ahead of the STi. Although, the new STi (15+) certainly has the nicest interior of any STi to date. That's not saying a whole lot, though.
The quality of the materials in the STi is simply lacking and the interior looks a bit muddled or odd up front. It is essentially a standard Impreza interior with a different steering wheel and nicer seats. There are some new soft touch plastics on the dash, which is way nicer than the hard dash on the previous gen, but the center console and doors are just as hard and unpleasant as before. Everything scratches easily.
The GTI, on the other hand, has soft plastics in a lot more places, and everything you are going to touch throughout the car has a more "substantial" feel to it, if that makes sense. The leather is also a nicer quality than a WRX limited or STi limited (standard STi has Alcantara inserts on the seats). It's also a lot quieter and just feels more solid; from the door closures to the glovebox, everything just feels purposeful, whereas the WRX/STi feels like it will always work, but it will rattle and squeak when doing so.
The STi is a "harder" car in terms of daily living. The new one is even stiffer I believe. I don't have much seat time in the new one, but the GR (previous gen) is a bit rough on crappy roads.
As far as performance goes, they are two different markets, honestly. The price points are different and it's a FWD vs AWD comparison, not to mention the STi has about 90 more hp. The Golf R would be what I would compare to the STi.
Ultimately, no one can tell you which one is best for you; you will just have to get out there and drive them and make a decision. I went with the Subaru, FWIW, but that was comparing the GR WRX to the MK6 GTI.
***** Thank you for such detailed response.
Great to see it was an enjoyable drive. Really hoping the Mk7 Golf R will be able to step up more into Evo/STI territory in the fun and speed department out of the box. Any chance of a review of that when they're available in the states?
The new R will no doubt be rapid point to point but round corners the Evo is just a completely different level
BBDSmint All wheel drive. Check on both cars. 290+bhp. Check on both cars. Manual transmission. Check on both cars. I think the fact that the lancer is 4 doors will make it a bit heavier and/or less rigid. The suspension on the R should be better in theory. I think the MK7 Golf R will give the Evo a run for it's money.
Tyler Gough We hope so. Tanner was driving a Golf R in Europe when I was over there with him and Forza Horizon 2, and he seemed to really like it. We weren't big fans of the last Golf R, mainly because it wasn't fun enough to justify the price premium over a GTI and because you couldn't defeat traction control.
However the Golf has none of the AYC wizardry that makes the Evo so quick through a b-road, and whilst the US Evo gets 291 stock horsepower, I live in the UK so we get the FQ models, a Golf R won't touch an FQ-360 or 400. I forgot that you guys don't get those ones. Of course the R and the 290hp MR will probably be quite similar!
Also, whilst the Evo X's 4B11T is no 4G63 by any means, it's still a cracking engine and I'd argue has far more character than the modern Golf 2.0s.
BBDSmint Definitely not touching the FQs, that's for the R-400 if it ever comes out. I totally agree that current Golf R can't touch the MR stock. And even with modification, the MR is probably a better platform for a highly tuned or track prepped car.
That said, I bought a mk6 Golf R because I liked having the practicality of a hatch, a nice interior, a smooth ride, and the fact not everyone who gets in the car thinks your a boy racer (not that's always a bad thing :)). The new R also has some interesting things that should help, like a new haldex system, adjustable dampers, DSG, and upgraded engine internals. I still agree that it might not be as fast and refined a driver's car as the Evo, but I'm hoping its closer, so the Mk7 could be a real have your cake and eat it too ride.
whats the HP on this ?
hey matt is the gti grpier than the mustang
+Thesmokingtire, how does this rank compared to the focus ST, WRX, and Fiesta ST in terms if perceived performance. What's your favorite?
TheSmokingTire I understand this is probably wishful thinking but is there anything like this for non-journalist? I know Mazda and GM did the Rev It Up thing in the past which I've done and as well as BFG's tire test but they were mostly auto-x style. It'd be cool to test drive some cars at higher limits than the "around the block" while trying to not get pulled over.
would you take this over the fiesta st?
marco s no, I wouldn't. the Fiesta is more fun, and I much prefer Ford's infotainment system to VW's
My 02 jetta is also the same gearing. About 90 95 in 3rd at red line.
That gtr going by was glorious haha .. and dang I hope we get the new golf R
Canada is getting them - they are order only and limited production.
Also... $44-48k depending your options.
You can get a used Porsche Cayman for that damn price... so you better really love VWs for that insane $$$
We're getting it next spring. VW hasn't yet started taking pre-orders for it, though. And we'll have to wait a couple of months beyond that to get the manual version, unfortunately. The Golf R base price here in the States is $39,090.
Jeff Puha Yeah that sounds about right.
I've been looking to buy a 2015 WRX STI and they are 42-43k here and 38k in the states. So that pricing for the GTI R sounds about it... even though the price difference sucks for my side :P
Jeston Aylen I think a lot has to do with the exchange rate. As of today, If the WRX STi is 38k USD here, then it would be 44k CAD in Canada. So, I guess the price is really the same. Does that sound right?
Aye, I know. I'm just being bitter about it haha!
Exactly why I bought one.
The Performance Pack (and even optional Dynamic Chassis Control) is almost a must on this car. I wish it were standard honestly. Otherwise it is a very sporting and comfy car but no track darling.
Which track is this?
thee Mitchi Willow Springs Raceway, the "Big Willow" Course.
Thank you Matt! :)
man that GTR flys
I love my '15 GTI Autobahn.
You nailed the part about the engine lacking character. I have a GTI with a 2.0, and while it's relatively zippy, it's just not an exciting experience.
I'm ready to see you drive the Golf R or the Audi S3.
Matt, its a VW. The traction control can not be turned off. Thank you Volkswagen...
Actually, its only US VWs that can't turn traction control off, or at least it is as far as I know. My EU GTI can have everything turned off with one button
BBDSmint
It's just the US. Canada VW's can turn it fully off as well. I guess the Germans don't think we can handle the car when we have to be fully in control.
I test drove one a few months ago. Awesome, refined daily driver that's pretty fun to drive. But I agree with Matt on the engine. It has very little character despite a broad torque band. I used to own a 2011 A3 with essentially the same 2.0T and it kept misfiring on me at around 25k miles with just an APR Stage 1 tune. Eventually had to replace the intake manifold. My housemate's mk6 GTI had the same issue with no tune. So that might be a long-term issue with the new GTI as well.
That's worrying, my GTI has been fine. Hopefully it's not a common issue.
Oh god are they having coilpack problems again?
dragkid185 The first time it happened to my A3, I had one of the coilpacks replaced. On the 2nd time, 2 coilpacks were replaced and the entire intake manifold was replaced. My friend's GTI apparently just had carbon buildup in the intake manifold, and once that was cleaned it was fine (for now). So maybe not the same issue, but both resulted in misfires and a CEL.
Zygrene Ok sounds like the intake manifold is more of a problem than the coilpacks. Probably has something to do with the secondary throttle flaps.
MKVI GTI have an extended warranty up to 120,000 miles or 2017ish, on the injectors and intake manifold. Check with your local dealer to verify. I had my intake manifold, an injector, and a coil pack all go bad within one week of each other. VW took care of all of it via the extended warranty. My 2010 GTI had 90,000 miles on it at the time. They also recommended cleaning the carbon due to the direct injection not being able to clean the valves. I had them take photos and send it to me prior. It was indeed filthy and caked on. This is a $600-$1200 job depending on the dealer and country you live in. The intake manifold needs to be removed and VW's labor is listed as 6 hours, even though it takes 30 minutes to remove, about an hour to clean, and another 30 to assemble.
Personally bugged by people comparing the Golf GTI to the Fiesta ST so much. Is it because the GTI can't hang with the Focus ST?
Either way, Golf GTI has been the same car for too long. Back in 2008 my coworker got a new GTI and I thought it was rad back then but 6+ years later it needs some oomph.
You should’ve tested the DSG as well
The gears in my SVT Focus are a lot like the ones in this GTI. You hit 35 at the top of 1st, 65 in second, 90+ in third etc
$28k, why is one equipped exactly the same as that in Canada about $38k where I live. VW along with every other automaker is ripping Canadians off.
Lol what else is new.
Perhaps the exchange rate. Wow.
~€45k Portugal. Base model GTI.
We get shafted here because of bullshit taxes. Perfect example of this is the Acura MDX. That SUV is 100% made in this country and is $10K more expensive here than it is in the US.
I also think it's because the Canada and America Automotive agreement, that puts taxes on car parts and cars. The worst thing with Honda is they won't give you a warranty if you buy one in the states and bring it to Canada. I don't think it's the exchange rate because I just converted $28000USD and its $31460CAD. But in Portugal I don't see why it isn't cheaper, it's a European car. Doesn't Germany use euros like Portugal does?
Much better interior, really up scale from the last model, to bad the Jetta doesn't get that dash.
A stiffer rear swaybar will give it a lot more character in the corners, super simple fix for this car
OMG watch this in double speed, it's fucking hysterical!
I bought a brand new '13 GLI, loved the car REALLY fun to drive. But the quality of the car overall underwhelmed me. By 15k I had so many interior rattles I got rid of it. Wish they were built just a tad better. Hopefully they build the GTI's with a little more quality.
My '10 GTi rattles quite a bit. 55K miles. It's squeaks too. However, I drove a buddy's '11 with 45K miles and it was dead quiet and nice. Who knows.
The gti seats have a lever on the side that you can repeatedly push down and will lower your seat quite a lot
@mattfarah 15gti or 15 wrx?
Ask any major publication ever. GTI ALL DAY.
www.caranddriver.com/comparisons/2015-subaru-wrx-vs-2015-volkswagen-gti-comparison-test
www.motortrend.com/roadtests/hatchbacks/1407_comparison_four_fun_sporty_runabouts_under_30000/
It's the North American and World Car of the Year for a reason. WRX does two things well, AWD and because of AWD, 0-60. Outside of that the GTI is better in every way.
Peter Crowder It's also more expensive... I would compare the GTI with STI and not the WRX...
***** The GTI is a closer competitor to the WRX. The Golf R is what you need to compare to an STI.
mk6dub Damn you are totally right! I thought the GTI was around 40K and the R above that but they are actually respectively almost the same price as the WRX and the STI... I guess now it's a matter of preference... I would get the WRX for it's AWD tho, I'm a subaru fanboy ;) Although I'd love to have a GTI too :D
Although the 2015 WRX kinda sucks ass :/ I'd wait for a better one...
Matt doesnt like the 2.0 TFSI? T_T Its a good engine tho, very reliable :D btw in VWs you cant turn of the ESP completely...thats some sort of a safety aspect :P
Never underestimate a GTI.
Matt has an obvious Ford bias. This GTI is much more than a " take the family to dinner car"! C'mon Matt, the GTI is a perfect car. Fun, Fast, economical and refined. killed the Fiesta IMHO.
Looking like a MINJON with that helmet :)
Needs that APR tune :)
Either Volkswagen has always had those gears or they went back to them, cause my 03 Jetta does about the same speeds in those gears.
Mine too. Its for autobahn cruising and they didn't want to tune the transmission for North America so they left it.
That kinda makes sense, but it still runs 3k at 70-75mph like every other four cylinder I've been in so I'm not sure about that..it also could be Matt's use to 6/7/8 speed transmissions that typically have shorter individual gear ratios.
Sam Buffington The two cars I drove immediately before the GTI, the 2015 Mustangs, had much shorter gears. As far as I can recall, only the Corvette and Viper have longer manual gears than the GTI does.
TheSmokingTire Matt, would you buy the GTI as a daily driver?
Your 03 jetta also most likely only has 5 gears. The new gti has a 6 speed which usually has shorter gears than a five speed because it has an extra gear (my 2011 gti maxes third at around 78mph compared to 85-90+ on a 5 speed) which is why it's interesting this gti has gears so long with a 6 speed.
oh boy matt, your mouth says you like the car but your body seems to want to move to the next car
REALLY!!!( High pitch screech)
I want to see this car on the track with the APR stage 3 tune
Matt is either the best track driver alive or the other drivers just have no skill whatsoever.
It's funny it took vw so long to get the Mk 7 to the u.s the Mk 8 will be at the auto shows in just 3 years over across the pond lol thanks vw grrrrr
I know they are two totally different vehicles built for different purposes, but my Twin Turbo Stealth goes into 3rd at 80mph and 4th at 127mph.
I can't decide between this or the si.
the SI is coming in a couple days.
Always had Honda since the CRX , also had a 2007 civic SI. Now i drive and mk7 GTI, test drive both and you decide.
esp if you get the optional electronic lsd, it adds wonder of grip!
The word you are looking for is predictable. Handling at the limit is never ragged, it just simply works. The long gearing is for achieving those 30+mpg numbers. As a mk6 GTI autobahn owner, I've never once said "geez I wish this car handled better, or went faster". Because fact is, If you are driving it at 100% on the street/ winding back road... you are already likely to wind up in jail. The only time I'd want anything faster, would be a track.
I wish these were more reliable. I would have gotten one.
i remember when my mustang was stock, i could hit 90 in 2nd. then i put in the 4.10 gears in the diff and now i can't keep tires on the car lol.
***** yeah those stock 2.73's were absurd.
TheSmokingTire
yup, that's exactly what came out of it.
Crap...i keep coming back to this car. I need a good fun daily driver i can take to the track in a pinch. I have an exige for track and manual fun... the focus and fiesta st are manual only.. i keep coming back to the gti for its dsg trans. Plus this has a much more useable hatch area than the fords.
you'll be happier with a GTI over a focus or fiesta ST anyway. It's much nicer and more suitable for an everyday car and will hold its value better. Performance is easy with a stage 1 tune expect around 320hp 400ft lbs of torque with the mk7. Pair that power with the PP's LSD, DSG trans and a great chassis like the gti and you have a great car
Yea true...i loved my 2010 mk6...
Shahul Usman the dsg is superb and can hold loads of c extra power while a VW manual will need a new clutch with any extra power.
A bit biased, seeing as your own car is a FOCUS-- great if you have the chance/roads race around daily - but for most people the GTI is a much better car to own and occasionally race around in
Great cars but modern GTIs definitely peaked with the Mk5, a lot more fun but still very tunable - with a simple stage 1 and exhaust they're very very quick
Lol this guy is in love with fiesta st he mentions it in every video....maybe he is getting paid by ford
1:33 Stig, is that you?
5:18 did...did that BMW just shift into reverse?!
G to the T to the I....
decent car
my supra twin turbo does 80 in 2nd ;-) and its 21 year old
Why is everyone else driving so slowly?
Not all auto journalist are good drivers or use to driving on track at speed
It's sad to see reviews of manual mk7 GTI's. Only "self downshifting" DSG around here.
What gets me is that these testers? Don't read the manual to know the settings and how things are supposed to work in vehicles they test and critique. Before then get to drive and test for us on tracks. Suspect now on all these tests and reviews.
It has the same engine that SEAT Leon Cupra