Payday 2: Optimal Crew Customization (The Best AI Weapon Loadout)
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- Опубликовано: 28 май 2024
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So there have been dozens of Steam community guides, Reddit posts and RUclips videos made on this topic and generally, the community has a pretty good idea what sort of setups work best. However, I wanted to go slightly further and run some empirical tests on the weapons considered most powerful in the hands of the Bots. This video details which Crew Abilities and Boosts to run as well as delving deep into the stat sheet to discover which weapon is king for One Down Death Sentence difficulty. Enjoy.
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Another thing I've noticed people questioning: The HUD mods I'm using are Poco HUD - steamcommunity.com/app/218620/discussions/15/1457328846183663967and Void UI - modworkshop.net/mod/20997 You can make it look a whole lot nicer than it does in this video, I was purely using it to aid in the experiment.
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Having friends that still play this game is far more of a challenge than I thought
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Something I failed to mention was attachments. Sadly, this is because they don't do anything to a weapon outside of changing its appearance when in the hands of a bot. This makes everything a lot simpler when picking out the best options, but does limit creativity a fair bit.
In my mind you should customize the weapon the way you would use it, because yes it is still one of the weapons that you have a chance of switching to, so put all of the attachments that you want on the weapon.. it just does not affect the bots
But what about the buzzsaw 42
Stoic build with uppers skill and two buffed jokers solo. Find a safe corner in a holdout map with clear line of sight to the hostage. Lay down all your first aid kits at your feet, take two hostages, make sure your AI all have Buzzsaw LMGs with the piercing skill, go AFK - Congrats, you've beaten wave 9 on every single holdout map.
I find that the AR with DMR barrel is best. The main disadvantage for the DMR barrel is it lowers your ammo, but bots have unlimited ammo. It's high damage with really fast fire rate.
@@tunderstorm2769 all the LMG'S are good options but the Brenner's stats are slightly higher. Remember the fire rate of a weapon isn't the same as when you use it.
Quick is great except on cook off, I one time got kicked by a cop so I put in hydrogen chloride instead of caustic soda after like an hour and 20 bags because it's pretty much instant.
Ooft, the one time Steadiness may have helped...
sounds like a "you" problem.
No offense but only a noob would try to put an ingredient in while standing next to a cop, if you are playing with bots, put one at each door and tell them to stay there and put one up on the balcony and have it stay.. I've never even had a cop enter my house before except for a random special 😂 and if you are playing with friends, you should find new ones if they can't protect you 😎
@@jakewelch81 Bruh it's not like I haven't played the game, It was a stray cop who was crouching because I thought it was the one that I lured upstairs and dominated for jokers. I just didn't see him, and it was probably just one that slipped through while an AI was shooting at something else.
@@jakewelch81 Please, shut up.
Wait there is a good loudout, I always give My AI a big LMG
Ello ini orang cause that’s objectively correct
and also, the new LMG is probably the meta now
Meta weapons only work 4 players, for the most part.. because we can use skills and attachments to customize them the way we need them to be to make them better for us to use in heists..
bots dont care about the stability so you can max the accuracy and give it to them and it will be op
@@Aaokke0 i think bots ignore mods on the wapeon
Man was making this must have been really time consuming
A friend was asking so I thought I'd find a conclusive answer...turns out there was no conclusive answer so that's when I started testing! Definitely a much longer video to record than to edit, which is normally the opposite for me.
Oh god, without ai inspire the ai tend to get lost trying to get to you when your downed
I'm glad you're making guides, I really liked your new anarchist build aswell.
Very nice and informative video! I definitely agree with the order of your "Crew Abilities" and "Crew Boosts". I barely play loud, so whenever I do I just equip them with 3 LMGs -- I'll be switching to triple Steakout for close range, and checking out the 2 Mosconi + 1 LMG combination!
Regarding the study of Mosconi vs. R93 vs. Brenner, looking at which weapon is getting the most kills is a nice way to compare them, that was a very nice idea. However, did you consider the possibility that 3 of them together may work better for faster, or more efficient killing? It would be very hard to compare, but maybe there's some kind of test to check those possibilities too...
Can you just tell me the weapon for each ai pls
no one is gonna tell you sadly. I won't either because I'm asking the same thing.
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I owe you a pretty big thank you for this one. Your R93 advice just had Wick Bot snipe a Cloaker MID KICK and save my ass.
This has made me change my whole thinking about the AI. Instant Sub
Wait why aren't the characters dancing? lol jk, keep up the good work!
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Play with a heister that have this achievement.
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Videos like this amaze me. How anyone has the time, patience and the know how to figure this stuff out are incredible.
I personally have found a lot of success in giving all three bots the M60. Really solid at all ranges, hell have seen them anti-snipe snipers with the thing.
Yeah I use the buzzsaw lmg and they’re beasts
This video helped alot because i never knew what to choose as the weapon for the ai bots. Thanks.
As someone who shelved this years ago, its great to come back to such a dedicated community. Thank you
I always gave my Bots the Buzzsaw and never had a Problem, they shred completely everything with it!
But now i will give your recommendations a try, thank you :)
Super underrated channel! Keep up the good work!
I have been trying for 3 years now to get even 1 of my friends to try out payday, idk the aversion but this guide has given me all the friends i need i suppose
Someone else reminded me of cook-off,and you are basically using the same weapons that I normally bring with me on close-range maps.. on cook-off I have a mosconi bot at each door, and an R93 bot up on the balcony
Amazing video ! Super helpful
Queen's Wrath rifle always seemed to serve me better than any LMG, but I've always heard the R93 be praised as the best.
mmm so yeah i love the advice on the bots. i put them on full mosconi blast now.
with quick pierce inspire
and heal conceal distract
because im running a really fast dodge build. and i try to speedrun some heists.
Console Low crimespree/Overkill player here.
As far i tested, Buzzsaw seems the best weapon for bots when it comes for exterminating fodder enemies(Basically anything but Dozers, Snipers always the problem), while the usual heavy-hitters are better for killing dozers.
Brenner have more punch in close, but kinda gets crappier on distance; while the Buzzsaw seems to basically kill anything with the same amount of bullets and spread.
I run a big suppressor on the both for look, but maybe that changes the precision a lot, idk.
Btw, i'm not sure if the Mosconi ia that good, it's still 2 shot and reload
Nice, I already had the inspire and then other two in that order
I have to say, I would go with the Buzzsaw for the LMG and crowd control. whilst it's technically inferior to the Brenner statwise, that ROF and stagger is no joke!
I always put dragon's breath on the bots' shotguns just for the visual effect.
You are a hero for this
Nice video you deserve my sub
thats something i found out for myself, honestly. as i was searching for best balanced weapon compisition. you took under cinsideration a sniper riflee, a LMG and shotgun. my idea was to have a high DPS on long range, high DPS on short range and rapidfire for swarms. as im playing loud jobs only on mayhem (death sentence is masochism for me) im doing well eenough with weapons availible, that is: galant rifle as sniper, this-heavy-LMG-i-forgot-the-name-with-200-bullets-per-mag as LMG and some repeatin riflelike shotgun as close combat.
Alright, I tried a mixed setup with these recommendations, R93 Sniper, Brenner and the Mosconi. The Map was Alesso Heist on Holdout. While there are rarely enemies swarming the Hostage with my all LMG setup I got *flooded by enemies with this videos suggestion.* I stopped after wave 5 and have mixed feelings about this. LMG only has the advantage of your AI being essentially a "wall of death" with hrof LMG's. But this Video setup has a Single shot sniper, a two shot shotgun and the Brenner LMG with a rather low rate of fire and long reload. I suggest something like Steakout 12G Shotgun, Buzzsaw LMG and maybe stick with R93 sniper but I have not tried this setup yet.
Alesso Holdout is like, the epitome of Steakout AI utility. Alesso heist is really about using the counter for cover, and holing yourself up with the hostage. Steakout AI's pretty much AFK Alesso Holdout for you.
in a regular heist, there's usually a lot more distance between you and the spawn zones. Cops have to travel at least 10+ meters to engage you, and when they don't they come from about 3 predefined and obvious entryways. Holdout is just the room you're holding out in, so the cops literally spawn on sightlines, ESPECIALLY Alesso Holdout. You can literally see them appear out of nothingness standing on the overhang outside the front doors.
This video is factually incorrect. The objective best crew setup is to have all 3 AI kitted out with the skeleton suit and gloves, Halloween skull mask, and tommy guns
I really want knowley to post more but then his vid quality might go down so I like him just the way he is now
all my bots have a buzzsaw and I did all of my DSOD heist with them. maybe the brenner is better but, in my opinion the buzzsaw is just dummy good because of the fire rate !
Thanks mate. Good info. 😁
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Sharp-eyed helps alot. High damage guns like the scar or ak 7.62 have terrible weapon pick up. You either max out a skill tree n get a higher maximum ammo capacity or run sharpeyed since it already helps with the perk allowing you more ammo pick up as well.
Makes high damage guns more useable instead of having to worry about which enemies you'll be using your 2-3 mags on.
Thanos .50 is my personal favorite since infinite ammo. LMGs are also good
Was wondering if you tested out any different modifications for the weapons used on the bots? For example, when mosconi is considered the best overall weapon, would i be better off modifying the mosconi for different situations? As in if im on a long range map would a flechette long barrel mosconi work significantly better than say a short barrel lower acc boost mosconi (and vice versa for a short range map), or are they negligible differences that the bots find some sort of ai magic to work around even though it would have a massive difference on performance for a human? And also, do different ammo types make significant differences for shotgun ais, like would a steakout with horizontal leveler and incendiary be incredible for crowd control if thats what i think i need over raw dps for the ai in my build?
So, disappointingly, attachments don't make a difference outside of aesthetics. A more complex system like you're suggesting would be amazing though and I wish you could setup a long-range stakeout to help with some of its drawbacks. Unfortunately, all weapons in the hands of your bots have perfectly standardised stats.
@@TheKknowley by that do you mean they use the gun as it's unmodded stats are, or that the AI use the same numbers and just check if they have a Shotgun, LMG, AR, Exc. in their hands?
I just give all of them RPKs LMGs.
But just because this video probably took a long time to make, i'll give it a try.
If you plan to play loud online or with 1 other person put inspiring or piercing in loadout 3 or 2, if you're playing stealth put quick in loadout 3
Im running KSP's on bots and it works out pretty well
I like the healer ability for my muscle build :) so nice
Yeah Healer probably deserved a mention too!
Brenner is very good, but having 3 MG-42 sounds like an orchestra
I didnt know much about this so i always ran buzzsaw, brenner, brenner
As someone who just got the game recently, this is going to be extremely helpful. Do the AI benefit from any mods the weapon has or is that part of the whole stat thing that they ignore
They do not benefit from weapon mods
Daaaang he uses VoidUI
Hey Kknowley, I know I'm a bit late to this video but I was wondering of the adition of the akron in mcshay 4 made all the other weapon options obsolete or if they still ha
d value
one key thing you sorta overlooked is that if the AI is handed snipers like the r93 then you dont need them to have that armor piercing bonus
AI Snipers cannot pierce Shields without the crew ability
Woah i didn't expect this i aways had thought that it didn't really mattered what weapon i gave the bots so i aways gave them the Buzzsaw
Stren to be fair, LMGs are objectively the best, GeneralMcbadass did a video like this at some point in the past, mighta been someone else tho
@@iamacatperson7226 I mean i like playing on DS OD soo LMGs as we see here they are kinda better at lower difficulties or when there are a lot of people on low hp.
Shouldn't Mallcrasher and Scarface Mansion switch places in long and close range, or am I missing something?
Thank you.
I pack one with the Thantos because I like the AI occasionally bailing me out by blasting away a dozer or tazer that is about to shoot me and I can't finish off-
For ai weapons, i run thanatos l, dragonbreath base shotgun and the totally not an f2000
thank you gamer
Been following this... Sometimes the bots end up just being better than players on higher difficulties.
i’m doing this solo, they’re there to pick me up. just like a pub
Yay, i'm a noob and i got the firs category right on the first try!
Guide incomplete. Didn't list best characters/voice lines or masks
I have failed you...
Best characters are the ones you personally like most, same for masks. Bang! Now it is a complete guide.
@@ziertezerosugar1542 your guide sucks, i need bias, dammit!
1) inspiring is useless on the bots you can only use it every 2 minutes, you're better of with more ammo to make less ammo effective weapon better in solo
2) as for the weapons lmg's can't go wrong it's just a beast of a dps (i'm using ksp personaly which is really the best, bots with ksp can solo most holdouts and are really great in most one down loud heists)
having said that great video keep up the good work and showing us the numbers behind the screen
idk, i never had a problem with ammo since you are the only one ever picking up said ammo...I feel if you were taking in only 2 bots i'd put ammo in slot 1...but for playing solo or 3 man (since you should take quick interaction always) it just feels either useless or not enough anyway (for certain weapons with abysmal pick up rates to begin with)
If your build doesn't already have enough ammo efficiency on its own, then you probably shouldn't use it.
TypeLuo that's why you'd better stick to the bots in general, maybe one of the only weakness of dodge solo build.
I think that LMG for AI team is anyway the best
I just gave 1 guy a sniper and 2guys shotgun (just started game in console)
So invigorator was what was making my ass with an ICTV run fast as shit
If my first ai is Dallas for example and he has the perk quick and then a player playing Dallas joins will I keep the quick perk or will I lose it?
Can you make a remastered version of this video? I believe there’s been a few changes to AI since you made this 7 months ago
Wondering how much this guide still holds up today. Its a great guide, but i do see that date of post.
Anybody know if this is still a accurate guide? If so, then huzzah!
As far as shotguns go do the mosconis suffer from slow reloading and fire rate? Was gonna run a brenner and two izhmas.
One of my ai’s is joy and i gave her an lmg just because it looked funny
i feel like you can get more out of shotguns on bots if you tell them to stay in a single spot/choke point that might make them more viable for say the end parts of hells island on the roof
of course there kind of a chore but it helps me and id suggest practicing keeping the bots in a spot then moving them up when need be
Three R93s. No substitute.
Hey, just one question.
In terms of non-dlc. Which other loadouts (in terms of weapons) would be the best?
I use an AMR 16, which is in the base game.
The main issue with it on a player, which is low max ammo and pickup, is completely irrelevant with a bot.
Also it's low stability doesn't seem to be an issue, and it seems to have a 90% headshot rate with a higher accuracy than an LMG.
It narrowly missed a breakpoint on Death Sentence so it takes one more shot than a Mosconi, but on Death Wish and below it works well for me.
The Ksp 58 is a good choice
@@niniel2328 that's what I use. I think a good setup would be 2 lmgs and a r83.
Just give the bots MG-42s and listen to the music
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Is queen wrath good for bots? Since i saw crew ai weapons in wiki said queen wrath does have a high dps than any others weapons
I tend to give my AI the little friend. The damage is great, and it can shoot through shields
As a quick fact, bots (even when using snipers) can't peirce shields at all unless they have the Peircing skill
Looking at just DPS seems like a terrible way to calculate which weapon is the strongest on bots. A 2 shell shotgun may have extremely high dps, but that's because it shoots the entire clip in less than a second. The bots then spend another 3 seconds reloading before firing again. Damage per *second* may be really high, but damage per minute, or even damage per mission falls off a fucking cliff compared to anything else with sustained fire. LMG's reign supreme without a doubt.
So is it best to give the Mosconi the Short Barrel and No stock? Or does it not matter?
What build are ya using for the explosive bows?
Stol3n will remember that
Hi great video. What hud/tab menu mod are you using at 2:07?
He's using Void UI
I wish there was to save and load AI loudouts, i know each of your own loadouts have different AI loadouts, but if you want to change them, it would be nice
Now what about the Better Bots mod with Bots Weapon and Equipment mod? Since they can use way more weapons and they now use attachments and all that. Giving your bots akimbo SMGs or lions roar ARs are amazing xD. Or if you want to, you can always have one of them run a special weapon for funsies.
Before that I just gave them all queens wrath rifles
Must I be online before I can access the crew management page?
What are the mods for damage numbers and your ui?
*Is there a mod where you can have the bots use the actual stat changed weapons, and different weapon types? I'd love to practice Counterfeit with AI Bots, but have 1-2 of them use Dragon's Breath Rounds. You'd think there was a mod for this...*
Did you mean to put the Steakout 12G instead of the Mosconi 12G at 8:10 or was that a mistake?
yes he did.
I didnt test this, but you can probably just give one of the AI an AA12 with slugs to deal with shields
Wiki says skins and attachments do nothing for AI. No reason for me to run DMR kit rifles on them anymore I guess. Unfortunate.
hey knowly. i have the added health for my sotic build but dosent show the affects in my character stats, same with the armor. is it still applied or should i add it to something else
Since those only work ingame they dont show up in your stats, same with joker health buff and another player with crew chief.
@@MrLeonardord ohh ok thanks m8
I was hoping you'd touch on how priority works with the AI loadouts; that's my main question.
It doesn't matter when you are playing "solo" with 3 AI bots, but I usually play with one of my friend's and 2 AI bots. Now, does this mean the 2 AI we have will use the loadouts #1 and #2 or #2 and #3? I would like to believe the game prioritizes loadout 1 first so if there is only 1 AI it will use loadout 1, then if there are 2 AI one will use loadout 1 and the other will use loadout 2.
I just want some confirmation on this.
That's exactly right yeah, actually thought I'd mentioned this. Whoops!
Me who’s on console and can’t change AI setup: *interesting*
Nope, you can change abilities and weapons
Depends what console he's talking about.
are these mods safe for steam, or can affect my steam account? never done modding but have seen cheater tag in some lobbies. dont want a ban on my steam profile either.
Does piercing and Inspiring only effect the ai you attach it to? Or does it mean that all ai can inspire and pierce armour?
Buffs apply to all 3 ai crew members.
Hence why you can't equip 2 with the same buff: it wouldn't do anything.
pretty sure i aint gonna get a reply, but i dont have a crew management option in my inventory, many others have the same problem, im not in beta, just tell me how to navigate to that
I actually prefer bots because they aren't gonna go down anytime soon, lets me fuck around alot more
I hate this happening. "Stay." 30 seconds later. "Why are you here..."
Wait, I'm confused, I thought at the end you were talking about the Mosconi, not the Steakout. It appears when you mention what to equip for close-range and you say "Steakout" but when you say "use all 3" you show a picture of the Mosconi.
It is the Mosconi that we should be using for close range, right?
Nope steakout is the best in close range, however, due to damage drop off, it is basically useless otherwise. The mosconni is a really good close range weapon (but not as good as the steakout) and it doesn't suffer as much in term of damge drop off making it a more versatile weapon overall. This is why the steakout is the best for close quarter but when considering an overhall loadout at the end, the mosconni is preferred.
Exactly what Randger says. Stakeout's up close or Mosconi's if you just want to the best performing overall weapon.
Does this still hold up after weapon rebalances?
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So, if i put the reinfield 880 on my npc team, they will be absolute killers?