7:40 uuuuh Grip is THE most useful power in the game, especially in the last third of it. Because it always takes a few seconds for an enemy Sith to interrupt it with a Push, it can be used to throw them from the highground to their death (for example, a scenario that happens rather often in the game: a Sith or two block your way on a narrow bridge - it will take you 2 seconds to kill them by moving them off the bridge with Grip). Grip also turns off enemy Sith lightsabers for a few seconds and makes them stop moving (AI is really dumb) which makes them an easy target for a follow up Red style attack. Raising an enemy up and slamming them into the floor deals fall damage, which makes it really easy to kill enemy Sith or single gunners (just move the mouse forward and backwards repeatedly until they die). Quickly moving the target in any direction (by moving the mouse) and then releasing them from Grip mid movement sends them flying in that direction, which can be used to create distance between yourself and enemy Sith. Using Push right after you used Grip on a Sith will usually leave them defenseless to your Push. Combining this with the interruption of the Grip in the middle of moving the target up will trigger a falling death animation (it works either by triggering a knockdown animation first, which completely cancels out Force Jump damage reduction, or by reaching a certain height, which automatically triggers the falling death animation), which means the enemy Sith this is used on is guaranteed to die. You can also use Grip to throw Sith into lava or any other hazardous environment on the level. You can also perform a Grip + Pull + Blue style attack combo on most Sith in the game, which also has a very high chance to instakill the enemy Sith. Obviously enough, all of it is usable in multi-player as well. Rage + Heal + Red style is the ultimate combo. Add force speed to rage to make it even stronger but more risky.
A quick choke, flick the mouse, then force push, can be used to send most enemy force users tumbling to their death over a cliff. Force shield or not. :)
Force speed is potentially the strongest offensive ability, especially when fighting against lightsaber enemies, you can just run circles around them and slash at incredible speed, just cutting everything into ribbons.
At the highest difficulty Sith use speed when you use it, which just makes it useless. Rage, on the otherhand, gives you a weaker Force Speed buff on top of temporary invincibility, a damage buff and a better chance to break through enemy blocks in a Saber fight (useless for single saber builds cuz red style can't be blocked anyway, but very useful for a staff or dual blade builds if you're not abusing the crouch + forward attack). Unlike with Speed, Sith don't use it in response to you using it at highest difficulty.
@@laetitiamushigo they have their own styles (helpusobi 1; setforceall 7 in console) and their force energy is either double (try helpusobi 1 and playermodel luke in console - Shift + ~) or infinite
There is a lot wrong here. Speed doesn't make you go faster in SP, the world is just slower, and therefore will not get you from "point A to point B" any quicker. Speed is basically just bullet time. You missed how Grip is basically the gravity gun at max level, and also causes saber using NPCs to turn of their saber for a second allowing you to hit them, and will deactivate thrown sabers at any level. You also missed that Rage is basically force speed but actually useful against Jedi. Jedi NPCs will enter speed if they see the player do it, but won't against Rage. Not to mention Rage's ability to win saber locks without having to give yourself carpal tunnel, since it does make you push harder. Heal does the same thing no matter what level you're at (100 Force = 25 Health). The main difference in Heal is that at level 1 you have to be kneeling down which turns off your saber, level 2 you have to be standing still, and at level 3 it works while moving. You then neglected to mention that level 3 force drain can overcharge your health giving you 25 extra for a short amount of time. Sight is great on MP, as it negates the invisibility given by Mindtrick. In SP it's used to find secrets and seeing mission objective locations, as well as hidden enemies. I'd argue that missing Push level 3 being the ultimate saber lock breaker was a big miss as well. Saber locks against bosses that are CLASS_KYLE, or CLASS_DESANN, can be nearly impossible to win, however by pushing your way out, there is no issue typically.
I'm surprised you rated Force Grip so poorly. I've often taken Grip rank 3 as a priority since so many combats with powerful sith enemies take place in high up places. If you grip a force-user and quickly flick them to the side, they can be cast off bridges before they have time to force push you to break your grip. Cheap kills. It's incredibly satisfying to encounter a threatening enemy on a bridge saying "I will break you!" only for you to effortlessly toss them into a fiery death in the lava lake below. On the other hand once you've played through a couple of times using this trick you get bored of it and actively ignore force grip to make things more interesting.
Choke 3 is good to end quick fights but duals/staff katas are overpowered and the red stance is godly with the standard saber. It's gotten to the point where I'm taking on bosses with yellow lmao.
Slamming enemies into the floor with Grip 3 causes fall damage or collision damage. Instakills gunners and makes it really easy to kill Sith even if there is no highground to drop them from. Pushing immediately after using Grip leaves Sith defenseless. Use it to throw them into the air and trigger a falling death animation.
Rage is the best skill if combined with Heal, It gives you more damage while making you invincible! You just need to heal after its over. Yeah it's first levels are not that good but level 3 is a beast!
@@FerunaLutelou True or you can use force protect, but I feel you get so much power just with rage that I rather save the force just to heal afterwards.
@@MrFantocan force protect isn't as useful. Rage increases your damage, makes it easier to break through enemy's defence, makes you invincible AND applies an equivalent of force speed 1 on your character. Also, the strongest enemy Sith use force speed in response to your character using it, but if you Rage they don't use speed or Rage in response, which makes fighting them much easier (also, if you are smart, you can avoid actually fighting all of them). Also, you don't even have to heal after you Rage if you know you won't take damage for a while and that you will Rage again soon.
@@MrFantocan in my experience Protect is only good for not getting damaged by acid rain... Rage 3 lasts long enough to kill pretty much all enemies nearby. As for having only 1 hp left, that's usually not a problem. In the first third of the game, everything is easy. In the second, barely anything can hit you, in the last third, nothing can hit you. So, you don't even need to heal, just rage over and over despite having only 1 hp. At jedi master difficulty you can beat tavion and Kyle by raging twice, that's how absurdly powerful it is. If you try that with protect, you will find yourself healing over and over just to not die, because they deal stupid amounts of damage.
Also are we not going to talk about how in the campaign, when you set mind trick to 4 or higher in the console, you can possess an enemy and fire their weapon at some ungodly fast rate of fire?
@@Legomyegoorj that's something that was left in the game since Jedi Outcast. Remember how you could control droids in that game in certain parts of the game? Well, instead of making a whole separate system for that, they just assigned "NPC control" ability to Mind Trick level 4, which you wouldn't get normally anyway, and it was left as it is in Jedi Academy cause (if you didn't notice) they were a bit in a rush to finish the game and this little workaround could've been useful if they made you control droids again in one of the missions. However, they didn't use it after all, and so this was just left as it is in the game, because you can't get a level 4 ability without the console.
Its crazy that this game was made for the orginal xbox everything is so perfect kotor is amazing but if it had this combat implemented it woulda been insane seeing revan wall riding and force jumping
grip is incredibly op u can basically cheese fights even against reborn if there is a ledge just grab them flick your screen at the ledge and they're dead, pretty fun and op
Can you recommend a game about Jedi and Star Wars where we play the role of a Jedi knight and use a lightsaber and Jedi powers? I only played Jedi knight Jedi academy and I liked it very much - Good balance between skill and puzzles, with the ability to play in a variety of ways. I would say it's a hack and slash game with solving puzzles, completing levels and developing character skills. Were there any other interesting games from the Star Wars and Jedi universe?
If you are looking for Roleplaying, I'd recommend either the Knights of the Old Republic games or The Old Republic MMO. KOTOR and KOTOR 2 are both $10 but I think The Old Republic is free-to-play. For combat, Jedi Academy, Jedi Fallen Order, Jedi Survivor if your game system is up to date, and Battlefront (classic or modern) are really good.
This JKA version somehow seems unfamiliar to me, even though i played through the whole thing. @Pope Doomer, can you specify what version you were playing?
Like I said, I'm terrified of the most of the community and came across a ton of bad apples in it. The combat is not well explained and everyone I came across has played it for eons, leaving no room for me to grow and develop my skills with anyone even remotely on my skill level.
@@popedoomer3867 most dueling servers have nice enough ppl to show you the ropes and basic stuff but open servers is where the fun begins. Trust me man it's well worth it
Its official, game devs don't like money. Imagine if the dmc devs worked with these devs to make a game, omg. There could be teleportation, your force speed abilities could become straight up super speed, douple gangers, transformations, the posibilities are really endless
Biggest scam on the game. They're losing so they grip you, drain your force so you can't fight back and and steal your health. Then they rinse and repeat until you're dead. All fun.
Yeah, they're incredibly annoying with this, and are outright cheating sometimes, like they cast lightning, then dark rage, and then drain as soon as it's over, and also manage to use push sometimes, bro, where do you get the force energy for this?? If you don't have force absorb, you'll have a very bad time and will have to be very careful when getting close to them once they take enough beating, always make sure to have some force energy left in order to push them off immediately if they attempt to *SUCK* you. If you do have force absorb, good, as long as you have it activated, they can't do anything to you, hell, they actually give YOU the force energy when they try to use it, so it's easily the best and most satisfying middle finger to these clowns
7:40 uuuuh Grip is THE most useful power in the game, especially in the last third of it. Because it always takes a few seconds for an enemy Sith to interrupt it with a Push, it can be used to throw them from the highground to their death (for example, a scenario that happens rather often in the game: a Sith or two block your way on a narrow bridge - it will take you 2 seconds to kill them by moving them off the bridge with Grip). Grip also turns off enemy Sith lightsabers for a few seconds and makes them stop moving (AI is really dumb) which makes them an easy target for a follow up Red style attack. Raising an enemy up and slamming them into the floor deals fall damage, which makes it really easy to kill enemy Sith or single gunners (just move the mouse forward and backwards repeatedly until they die). Quickly moving the target in any direction (by moving the mouse) and then releasing them from Grip mid movement sends them flying in that direction, which can be used to create distance between yourself and enemy Sith. Using Push right after you used Grip on a Sith will usually leave them defenseless to your Push. Combining this with the interruption of the Grip in the middle of moving the target up will trigger a falling death animation (it works either by triggering a knockdown animation first, which completely cancels out Force Jump damage reduction, or by reaching a certain height, which automatically triggers the falling death animation), which means the enemy Sith this is used on is guaranteed to die. You can also use Grip to throw Sith into lava or any other hazardous environment on the level. You can also perform a Grip + Pull + Blue style attack combo on most Sith in the game, which also has a very high chance to instakill the enemy Sith.
Obviously enough, all of it is usable in multi-player as well.
Rage + Heal + Red style is the ultimate combo. Add force speed to rage to make it even stronger but more risky.
"POWA!! Unlimihuated POWA!!!"
A quick choke, flick the mouse, then force push, can be used to send most enemy force users tumbling to their death over a cliff. Force shield or not. :)
Ahh yes, the force speed goes from 300% faster, to 100% faster, then ends with 300% faster.
I cant believe I missed that
@@popedoomer3867 what were you trying to say? 😂 50% then 100%, then 300%?
@@GMMReviews I was gonna say 30% because that's how it was, I think, in Jedi Outcast but my math may be wrong
Force speed is potentially the strongest offensive ability, especially when fighting against lightsaber enemies, you can just run circles around them and slash at incredible speed, just cutting everything into ribbons.
How ? Reborns have force speed too. You can't blitz them. Speed is great against non-force users though.
If you use rate with it you get more speed making it to where you can still get the advantage even when they use speed
*rage
At the highest difficulty Sith use speed when you use it, which just makes it useless. Rage, on the otherhand, gives you a weaker Force Speed buff on top of temporary invincibility, a damage buff and a better chance to break through enemy blocks in a Saber fight (useless for single saber builds cuz red style can't be blocked anyway, but very useful for a staff or dual blade builds if you're not abusing the crouch + forward attack). Unlike with Speed, Sith don't use it in response to you using it at highest difficulty.
I still don't even know how to swing my lightsaber correctly and I've played for a good amount. Btw good video my man.
I mean ,jka solo combat is kind of weird, reborns are doing things that shouldn't be possible.
Saber guide too?
Hmm
@@popedoomer3867 :DDDDDDDDDDDDDD
@@laetitiamushigo they have their own styles (helpusobi 1; setforceall 7 in console) and their force energy is either double (try helpusobi 1 and playermodel luke in console - Shift + ~) or infinite
There is a lot wrong here. Speed doesn't make you go faster in SP, the world is just slower, and therefore will not get you from "point A to point B" any quicker. Speed is basically just bullet time. You missed how Grip is basically the gravity gun at max level, and also causes saber using NPCs to turn of their saber for a second allowing you to hit them, and will deactivate thrown sabers at any level. You also missed that Rage is basically force speed but actually useful against Jedi. Jedi NPCs will enter speed if they see the player do it, but won't against Rage. Not to mention Rage's ability to win saber locks without having to give yourself carpal tunnel, since it does make you push harder. Heal does the same thing no matter what level you're at (100 Force = 25 Health). The main difference in Heal is that at level 1 you have to be kneeling down which turns off your saber, level 2 you have to be standing still, and at level 3 it works while moving. You then neglected to mention that level 3 force drain can overcharge your health giving you 25 extra for a short amount of time. Sight is great on MP, as it negates the invisibility given by Mindtrick. In SP it's used to find secrets and seeing mission objective locations, as well as hidden enemies. I'd argue that missing Push level 3 being the ultimate saber lock breaker was a big miss as well. Saber locks against bosses that are CLASS_KYLE, or CLASS_DESANN, can be nearly impossible to win, however by pushing your way out, there is no issue typically.
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I'm surprised you rated Force Grip so poorly. I've often taken Grip rank 3 as a priority since so many combats with powerful sith enemies take place in high up places. If you grip a force-user and quickly flick them to the side, they can be cast off bridges before they have time to force push you to break your grip. Cheap kills. It's incredibly satisfying to encounter a threatening enemy on a bridge saying "I will break you!" only for you to effortlessly toss them into a fiery death in the lava lake below. On the other hand once you've played through a couple of times using this trick you get bored of it and actively ignore force grip to make things more interesting.
Level 3 force grip was the highlight of my childhood. I would use it to grab troopers and sporadically slam them into walls and the floor.
@@SlyJonesGT both of you should have played psi ops the mindgate conspiracy
Choke 3 is good to end quick fights but duals/staff katas are overpowered and the red stance is godly with the standard saber. It's gotten to the point where I'm taking on bosses with yellow lmao.
Its very fun too
Slamming enemies into the floor with Grip 3 causes fall damage or collision damage. Instakills gunners and makes it really easy to kill Sith even if there is no highground to drop them from. Pushing immediately after using Grip leaves Sith defenseless. Use it to throw them into the air and trigger a falling death animation.
This game deserves remake.
He did it again.
The LEGENDS ONLY SPOKE OF HIS RETURN
Rage is the best skill if combined with Heal, It gives you more damage while making you invincible!
You just need to heal after its over. Yeah it's first levels are not that good but level 3 is a beast!
You can combine rage with force speed as well, which leaves you with no FP but makes Saber combat even easier for the duration.
@@FerunaLutelou True or you can use force protect, but I feel you get so much power just with rage that I rather save the force just to heal afterwards.
@@MrFantocan force protect isn't as useful. Rage increases your damage, makes it easier to break through enemy's defence, makes you invincible AND applies an equivalent of force speed 1 on your character. Also, the strongest enemy Sith use force speed in response to your character using it, but if you Rage they don't use speed or Rage in response, which makes fighting them much easier (also, if you are smart, you can avoid actually fighting all of them).
Also, you don't even have to heal after you Rage if you know you won't take damage for a while and that you will Rage again soon.
@@FerunaLutelou Protect is good if you dont want to end with 1 hp after rage is over, but still I rather save force to heal up after rage is done
@@MrFantocan in my experience Protect is only good for not getting damaged by acid rain...
Rage 3 lasts long enough to kill pretty much all enemies nearby. As for having only 1 hp left, that's usually not a problem. In the first third of the game, everything is easy. In the second, barely anything can hit you, in the last third, nothing can hit you. So, you don't even need to heal, just rage over and over despite having only 1 hp.
At jedi master difficulty you can beat tavion and Kyle by raging twice, that's how absurdly powerful it is. If you try that with protect, you will find yourself healing over and over just to not die, because they deal stupid amounts of damage.
HE DID IT, HE DID IT
9:37 So true he said it twice lol
Mind Trick is good when you have Hazard Troopers the big guys with concussion rifles
They are super frustrating for me to deal with personally
Heavy saber and using thier guns against them
Most of the time they can be dispatched with force lightning 3 in a few seconds
Also are we not going to talk about how in the campaign, when you set mind trick to 4 or higher in the console, you can possess an enemy and fire their weapon at some ungodly fast rate of fire?
@@Legomyegoorj that's something that was left in the game since Jedi Outcast. Remember how you could control droids in that game in certain parts of the game? Well, instead of making a whole separate system for that, they just assigned "NPC control" ability to Mind Trick level 4, which you wouldn't get normally anyway, and it was left as it is in Jedi Academy cause (if you didn't notice) they were a bit in a rush to finish the game and this little workaround could've been useful if they made you control droids again in one of the missions. However, they didn't use it after all, and so this was just left as it is in the game, because you can't get a level 4 ability without the console.
As someone whos played mb2 on and off for over a decade.
Its got some bad apples and some major trolls but once you get gud its a fun mod to play.
Nice to see you upload again
Its crazy that this game was made for the orginal xbox everything is so perfect kotor is amazing but if it had this combat implemented it woulda been insane seeing revan wall riding and force jumping
grip is incredibly op u can basically cheese fights even against reborn if there is a ledge just grab them flick your screen at the ledge and they're dead, pretty fun and op
what mods you use to make the saber trails so perfect and active all of the time?
I got a qestiom from 2024 current date.
The question is which mod u using?
I am just here to know which powers to pick during campaign. I still have no clue what to choose after the third level.
"I am fluent in over 6 million forms of kicking your ass" lmaoooo
Can you recommend a game about Jedi and Star Wars where we play the role of a Jedi knight and use a lightsaber and Jedi powers? I only played Jedi knight Jedi academy and I liked it very much - Good balance between skill and puzzles, with the ability to play in a variety of ways.
I would say it's a hack and slash game with solving puzzles, completing levels and developing character skills. Were there any other interesting games from the Star Wars and Jedi universe?
If you are looking for Roleplaying, I'd recommend either the Knights of the Old Republic games or The Old Republic MMO. KOTOR and KOTOR 2 are both $10 but I think The Old Republic is free-to-play.
For combat, Jedi Academy, Jedi Fallen Order, Jedi Survivor if your game system is up to date, and Battlefront (classic or modern) are really good.
I know this is a really late comment lol but it's worth noting you cannot cancel Force Speed in Outcast, only Academy
I just got the game I hope people still play it
I really hope you can eventually make a vieo about MBII. But great video!!!
not sure if it applies to mod, i use lvl 1 drain as a sort of closeup version of stun and disarm motion
is it possible to force only/lightning only in this multiplayer?
Yes but the inputs for the force power cheese is difficult to pull off against really good players
This JKA version somehow seems unfamiliar to me, even though i played through the whole thing. @Pope Doomer, can you specify what version you were playing?
You see it briefly on the title screen but he's playing the Knights of the Force mod
what mods do you have installed?
I believe that was Knights of the Force 2.1. It's been updated since as has Galactic Legacy (old KOTF devs)
Wow i had no idea that Focus removed bullet spread.
You should get the mod movie battles 2 for this hands down best dueling system
Like I said, I'm terrified of the most of the community and came across a ton of bad apples in it. The combat is not well explained and everyone I came across has played it for eons, leaving no room for me to grow and develop my skills with anyone even remotely on my skill level.
@@popedoomer3867 yea I agree if you ever want to learn dueling join the Longsword duel server there ls members will help teach
@@popedoomer3867 decent amount of new people as well
@@popedoomer3867 most dueling servers have nice enough ppl to show you the ropes and basic stuff but open servers is where the fun begins. Trust me man it's well worth it
Its official, game devs don't like money. Imagine if the dmc devs worked with these devs to make a game, omg. There could be teleportation, your force speed abilities could become straight up super speed, douple gangers, transformations, the posibilities are really endless
7:09 hahaha
This dude needs to make a walkthrough as Ultra Instinct C-3PO
Force Rage is incredible 0/10
Nice
Was this channel called Pope of Nope?
yes
I honestly never bothered with dark rage
Uuhh no force stun :(
You should play boneworks vr!
already have
Play blades and sorcery
can't, my headset is broken right now
I fucking hate Sith using force drain against me in this game. One of them literally killed me by using it. It's fucking cheap as fuck.
Biggest scam on the game. They're losing so they grip you, drain your force so you can't fight back and and steal your health. Then they rinse and repeat until you're dead. All fun.
That's actually good.
I use absorb it negates it to where you take no damage you can also push them off
Yeah, they're incredibly annoying with this, and are outright cheating sometimes, like they cast lightning, then dark rage, and then drain as soon as it's over, and also manage to use push sometimes, bro, where do you get the force energy for this??
If you don't have force absorb, you'll have a very bad time and will have to be very careful when getting close to them once they take enough beating, always make sure to have some force energy left in order to push them off immediately if they attempt to *SUCK* you. If you do have force absorb, good, as long as you have it activated, they can't do anything to you, hell, they actually give YOU the force energy when they try to use it, so it's easily the best and most satisfying middle finger to these clowns
4:42 some considered to be,,, underwhelming
Yo
Can you use the force to spin your lightsabers around your body like in the nintendo switch trailer of the game?
get two sabers, use the kata (lmb + rmb)
Nice