Greetings from Germany! That kind of pin was often used by hunters and fastened to their traditional hats. It is sometimes given out in contests and/or to members of a hunters club.
I’m glad you didn’t edit out the broken drill bit. Everyone needs the lesson to secure your work piece. My lesson was a 5+ pound angle plate that I slung across the shop when a 1/2” drill bit snagged and broke! It was ugly!😉
I have one of these ready to restor. Someone welded the jaws on, welded the keeper that holds the handle in place, welded it to a peace of 3/4 inch plate and replaced the handle with a longer bar for more leverage. I picked it up for 20 bucks sprayed some PB blaster in it and it still funtions like new dispite being beat to hell and back. I can see why people like them so much.
My Wilton came with a couple of rough copper blocks cobbled onto it for soft jaws. I took them out, re-machined them true and checkered them on the Atlas shaper. Also restored the entire vise while I was at it. Mine was not a dumpster find... I mentioned Wilton Vises to my wife once and she bought this one for me as a Christmas present. She's good like that.
Hi Cora-!! Hi Chloe !! LUV both of your pups, Cora's a real sweetheart and so is Chloe, she reminds me very much of my dog Lady I had in my youth, she was also terrified of storms - been over 40 years and I still miss her to this day.
I found the same vise at a garage sale for 20 bucks it was froze solid wouldn’t move I soaked it in pb blaster an hit it with a dead blow hammer an broke it lose. Cleaned it up an put it to work. Best vise I have ever owned. I have a York bullet vise too works great. Found a couple old vises in the trash.
Hi Steve, Dont need to google Gods County *Dorset* as i am lucky enough to live here. Stunning country - Best in England. Definitely worth a visit. Yours Andy
I beleive those are oak leaves, i sure theres 100 comments stating the same thing but im going to say it anyways lol. I know someone that found the big wilton bullet vise in a dumpster, like new!!! Came out of a school bus garage. So jealous of his find. He doesnt even know what hes got! Good find. I love those vises as well i have a 1942 with plenty of scars and still opens as smooth as the day it was made. Jaws came out beautiful, good work as always!!
It's a pin made for the traditional German Huntsman's hat. It looks like pheasant, shotgun, hunters backpack and oak leafs. The "hairs" around the pin are usually off a deer.
Think this might be the first time I've seen bronze worked on a shaper. Not sure why that would be. What a find on that Noga! 90 buck holder for 5 bucks! Wow! Only in a thrift store. Nice gift Matthew. Great to see a project that fits nicely in a single episode. Thanks Steve!
It's good fortune that you found that treasure amongst all that trash. Didn't enjoy you breaking that drill bit, but used it as a teaching moment. Shows we all make mistakes and learn from them.
Cool project. I have an old Starrett vise I need to make jaws for. It's funny the things that metal fabricators see. I could tell that your bandsaw blade has missing teeth behind the weld seam due to the slight jump the blade makes when it hits it.
Bob Ross of Machining. Who has a big *** contraption in their garage 😀. Thanks Steve. The Willet bullet vises are slick. I found a Parker 974 from a basement of Fall River MA estate sale. Looks like it came out of a closed factory here. Its old and works fine but missing a jaw. For amateur tinker , Parker is long gone so left trying to hunt down a replacement jaw off a parts vise or find a machine guy nearby or most likely pass it on to someone who can fix and enjoy. Cheers
Steve, in regard to the stand(s) for your metal saw, you might want to have a look at Kurtis from Cutting Edge Engineering here in Oz, he does BIG work and recently made up a set of stands but I am sure you could use his design of course scaled down to suit your application. Enjoy your content look forward to it each week
It seems that the shaper might be the quickest way to make those vice jaws. I love that you can just use HSS cutters in the shaper - It makes the tooling aspect of owning a shaper a very inexpensive endeavor.
Lots of good items can be found discarded in the trash. I have found and, refurbished or repaired the electronics products of my dreams discarded curbside. 😎😎
Way back in the 60s an old timer in the tool room machine shop taught me to dull the drill bit a little to stop the grabbing of brass and bronze while drilling it.
Another super crowd funding idea is to get a sofa for the poor dogs to lie on away from being rained on with machining chips? They shouldn't lie on concrete as the cement dust is alkaline and can cause sores. BTW the hole in Steve's jeans is getting bigger and I worry that they will soon stand up on their own!
Thanks Steve. Nice work. I know the feeling, I found a Wilton "baby bullet" at a yard sale. I don't think it had ever been used. Everything about it is identical to the full size ones. It was $5, needless to say, I started a friction fire.
Hi Steve 28:45, looks like Oak leaves to me. The green part looks like a thistle head, so a stab in the dark, leads me to speculate that this is a commemoration of the Glorious twelfth, ( 12th of August), which is the start of the red grouse shooting season in the UK. Best wishes, Mal.
I use good old fashioned, home made rawhide on all my vice jaws. You can get it on line or make your own. I like mine better as it has a bit extra softer material on the inside skin. I have a vireo on how to do smaller batches on my channel. There is little to no cost aside from a bit of 3/4 plywood and a few screws to make a drying/streaching board. Once dry, I cut jaw sized pieces to make a face and a top L shape and and glue them together with crazy type glue. Then use rubber school type glue to easily fix them on the vice so they can be easily taken off. They are great but I have never welded close to mine but for everything else they really shine. Lathe jaws too. My primary use is holding the silver pieces I make for file and sanding work. I was pricing vises the other day and was amazed at how expensive they are now. This was an amazing opportunity for you. These new jaws are better than anything I have ever seen. Well done laddy !
I pick up things “of value “ that I see on the road or trash, and my wife finds it funny to point out large stray bolts on the side of the road just as I am pulling away from them. Saying wow did you see that bolt at the stop light, I’ll bet it was worth at least $3 while laughing at me.
An interesting tidbit of History when Fletcher Christian ran the HMS Bounty aground at Pitcairn Island in 1790 one of the things he salvaged was the vice from the ship. Today that vice is still being used by the descendants of the island. (a short film called "Pitcairn Island Today " circa 1938 references this vice)
I heard of a guy that has a DoAll horizontal bandsaw that they are repairing. It has a built in table for over length parts. Maybe you should contact him. His name is Steve Summers. I think he lives nearby. Good luck.
RSVP that drill bit. Good reminder that it's not just the tiny ones that break easily. Anyway, it's a nice looking result. Bet the originals didn't come out of the factory looking half as good. But then again, it is easy to get a nice finish on bronze.
Steve, it is Hunting-hat pin. The German hunting hat, a typical design, are often dressed with feathers and ornate pins to hold them to the hat. Try google "silberne Jagd Hutnadel mit Fasan, Eichenlaub und Jagdgewehr"
It looks like a badge that people wore if they went to shoots for pheasant during the shooting season. The leaf looked like an English oak leaf Steve although I would have thought you'd recognise it. But those are my thoughts on that 'badge'.
Excellent jaws. I located a 5" Wilton not long ago. Not as cheap as yours, but still several hundred less than retail. It had not been used at all. That's my dumpster find, I guess. lol Thanks.
I googled West Germany hunting badge and looked at image results and saw other badges with the same green outer part, some etsy results and one on ebay for $220! What a cool find
RE: Band saw. Something else you might consider is building a base with casters so you can easily move the saw around the shop or push it into a place where it is out of the way.
Nice work on the jaws. I do hand chiseling on brass door knobs and steel vise jaws would ruin my work. I found lead way too soft. It ends up embedded in my work. Instead I go to my local tire shop and get scrap lead and zinc wheel weights. Nowadays there are lots of steel weights. Only the lead/zinc work. I made a steel mold for soft jaws that slip over my vise jaws. I cast about 5 sets at a time. When they are too deformed to use I just remelt them and they are good as new.
I see you already have the swivel base. Very nice. Now look jealous mine was given to me by a friend but didn't get that base it is old but works great. It is a Prentiss vice, bull dog no. 92. Made in New York. Will wait to comment AFTER the video.
I have the same exact Schiller Park 1971 Wilton 3.5" Vice Model 101020 that was in service for many years in a High School Metal Shop. lots of Patina and "Abuse". I am restoring it with the decision right now being do I keep the Patina and put it back in service or make it look "new"..... I have settled on keeping it as it looks with all the love put on it by young learners.... I work at the high school and this was destined for the scrap pile for similar reasons it was stuck fast and had 4 layers of paint.
you may like the patina but i would hit it lightly with a sandblast to brighten it up - it will re-patina and you will get a lot of use out of the vise - you are putting the shop to good use and the tools are the heart of the operation (as well as the know how) thanks for the content! #close
Patience and attentiveness encourages low cost treasure finds. I have a long list of similar value treasures found unexpectantly. I enjoy using mine or passing them on to others. I pucjed up 2 identical Wilton vises (without the swivel bases) for $35 each. I am guessing that they were school shop surplus judging by 8-10 various colors of paint slopped on them. They were better than average gifts to 2 of my boys. One has been repainted at least once and has lived on the back of 2 or 3 of his service trucks. It is essentially his daily user. My "restoration" required paint removal and fresh paint. I didn't have to do any mechanical wirk besides cleaning. My son spends many thousands of dollars annually on new tools and equipment. A $35 vise is laughable to him, but he has never upgraded that Wilton truck vise.
Hey Steve - great vid. Re: the serrations on the jaws being too sharp. I'm wondering why you didn't go back over it with the shaper and take another couple mils off the top to blunt the points? Conversely, you could've also changed the angle and/or spacing of the serrations and accomplished the same thing without sacrificing the thickness of the jaws. Do you think the sharpness of the serrations will mar your future projects? Thanks!
Now I think I need a Shaper, in the event I want to make some new jaws for the vises I have. Curious if the ways on that Cincinnati were rescraped? They looked fantastic! Thanks for the videos.
Greetings from Germany! That kind of pin was often used by hunters and fastened to their traditional hats. It is sometimes given out in contests and/or to members of a hunters club.
The leafs are oakleafs - Waidmannsheil!
@@TC-bq1lh And a Muzzle Loader and Possibles Bag. (Hunting Bag)
Morning from a windy Dorset, UK 👋
Good morning from a wet Lincolnshire UK 🇬🇧
A very good project foe a Saturday morning. Thanks
Great find Steve, and I love the shaper, excellent machine. Thanks for the video!
I’m glad you didn’t edit out the broken drill bit. Everyone needs the lesson to secure your work piece. My lesson was a 5+ pound angle plate that I slung across the shop when a 1/2” drill bit snagged and broke! It was ugly!😉
nice good job Steve thank you for shareing
Dorset England; home of The Great Dorset Steam Fair!
my father restored a vice just like that over 10 years ago they are great vises !
I have one of these ready to restor. Someone welded the jaws on, welded the keeper that holds the handle in place, welded it to a peace of 3/4 inch plate and replaced the handle with a longer bar for more leverage. I picked it up for 20 bucks sprayed some PB blaster in it and it still funtions like new dispite being beat to hell and back. I can see why people like them so much.
Shaper really shines in this!
My Wilton came with a couple of rough copper blocks cobbled onto it for soft jaws. I took them out, re-machined them true and checkered them on the Atlas shaper. Also restored the entire vise while I was at it. Mine was not a dumpster find... I mentioned Wilton Vises to my wife once and she bought this one for me as a Christmas present. She's good like that.
Hi Cora-!! Hi Chloe !! LUV both of your pups, Cora's a real sweetheart and so is Chloe, she reminds me very much of my dog Lady I had in my youth, she was also terrified of storms - been over 40 years and I still miss her to this day.
Simple project Steve but loaded with machining principles. Great video and love the pups.
Perfect little project
The shaper is hypnotic, those jaws turned out good and added some bling to the old vice
I found the same vise at a garage sale for 20 bucks it was froze solid wouldn’t move I soaked it in pb blaster an hit it with a dead blow hammer an broke it lose. Cleaned it up an put it to work. Best vise I have ever owned. I have a York bullet vise too works great. Found a couple old vises in the trash.
26:15 And that's how the Egyptians built the pyramids, folks - a humongous shaper! :) Excellent job, Steve!
You know the old saying, "One man's trash is another man's treasure". Very fitting in this instance. Jaws came out nice, Steve. Well done!
Jaws turned out great!
That knurling was satisfying to watch ! Beautiful set of vice jaws Steve !
Beautiful Truck
Thanks😄👍
Hi Steve, Dont need to google Gods County *Dorset* as i am lucky enough to live here. Stunning country - Best in England. Definitely worth a visit.
Yours Andy
Yay, shaper video how can you not like that.
Serrations look really good
Perfect !
Growing up one of my neighborhood friends had a collie. That dog went everywhere he went. Everybody new them as a pair.
I don't usually comment but that was great and u know i will need a set to great work
I beleive those are oak leaves, i sure theres 100 comments stating the same thing but im going to say it anyways lol. I know someone that found the big wilton bullet vise in a dumpster, like new!!! Came out of a school bus garage. So jealous of his find. He doesnt even know what hes got! Good find. I love those vises as well i have a 1942 with plenty of scars and still opens as smooth as the day it was made. Jaws came out beautiful, good work as always!!
Hi Steve, they look like oak leaves on your badge, the old method of machining brass was a mix of paraffin and machine oil.
Thank you for sharing. Very nice.👍
Steve the things people throw away is amazing, with a little bit of spit and polish or the odd part and it's up and running.
First! The pin you found has OAK leaves Steve. Love the shaper work on the vice jaws. They look awesome on the vice. Nice job Sir Steve!
Nicely done!
It's a pin made for the traditional German Huntsman's hat. It looks like pheasant, shotgun, hunters backpack and oak leafs. The "hairs" around the pin are usually off a deer.
for the pin, try searching German Hunting hat pin, lots of similar examples- or bavarian hat pins
Think this might be the first time I've seen bronze worked on a shaper. Not sure why that would be. What a find on that Noga! 90 buck holder for 5 bucks! Wow! Only in a thrift store. Nice gift Matthew. Great to see a project that fits nicely in a single episode. Thanks Steve!
It's good fortune that you found that treasure amongst all that trash.
Didn't enjoy you breaking that drill bit, but used it as a teaching moment. Shows we all make mistakes and learn from them.
Who else flinched with every rotation of the vise handle until it hit the wire brush handle then said ah ha?
Where's the "Go Fund Me" for Steve's new jeans? 🤣🤣🤣
Happy Saturday Mornin Steve, Cora and Grits! You were meant to have that vice Steve, "Good Things Happen To Good People" God Bless
Cool project. I have an old Starrett vise I need to make jaws for. It's funny the things that metal fabricators see. I could tell that your bandsaw blade has missing teeth behind the weld seam due to the slight jump the blade makes when it hits it.
good to see some quality machine work , nice fix for your vise
Awesome job! Serrations looked perfect! Great score & save Steve.
Bob Ross of Machining. Who has a big *** contraption in their garage 😀. Thanks Steve. The Willet bullet vises are slick. I found a Parker 974 from a basement of Fall River MA estate sale. Looks like it came out of a closed factory here. Its old and works fine but missing a jaw. For amateur tinker , Parker is long gone so left trying to hunt down a replacement jaw off a parts vise or find a machine guy nearby or most likely pass it on to someone who can fix and enjoy. Cheers
Steve, in regard to the stand(s) for your metal saw, you might want to have a look at Kurtis from Cutting Edge Engineering here in Oz, he does BIG work and recently made up a set of stands but I am sure you could use his design of course scaled down to suit your application. Enjoy your content look forward to it each week
Kurtis is the man.
Good suggestion 👍
Thats one hell of a $$$$$ hunk of bronze!! Through the roof now. Its like "they" don't want us to be able to obtain metal.
It seems that the shaper might be the quickest way to make those vice jaws. I love that you can just use HSS cutters in the shaper - It makes the tooling aspect of owning a shaper a very inexpensive endeavor.
Back when I was originally looking for a shaper tooling cost was a huge factor in my decision. I would have a hard time getting rid of my shaper.
When you get around to visiting Dorset, you are very welcome here in Oxfordshire. We'll take a boat trip down the Thames!
Dean.
That button, all I can think is something, something, the pin on the hats you sometimes see them wear with a Lederhosen outift.
Lots of good items can be found discarded in the trash.
I have found and, refurbished or repaired the electronics products of my dreams discarded curbside.
😎😎
Way back in the 60s an old timer in the tool room machine shop taught me to dull the drill bit a little to stop the grabbing of brass and bronze while drilling it.
Same with nails to keep from splitting wood.
Put a negative rake on the drill flukes Steve. This will prevent the drill from plunging into the work when the tip of the drill clears the part
Nice to have a $500 piece of bronze stock just lying around to make vise jaws.
Blimey, that chunk of bronze must be worth a few bob...Dorset? Never heard of it ;)
(Del, from Essex UK)
Another super crowd funding idea is to get a sofa for the poor dogs to lie on away from being rained on with machining chips? They shouldn't lie on concrete as the cement dust is alkaline and can cause sores. BTW the hole in Steve's jeans is getting bigger and I worry that they will soon stand up on their own!
I foresee a multitude of flags arriving for you in the near future.
To stop the drill from grabbing in brass put a zero rake on the cutting edge, it cut like butter.
BTW, Its a German Duck Hunter's Rosette. I sent you the pic.
Thanks Steve. Nice work. I know the feeling, I found a Wilton "baby bullet" at a yard sale. I don't think it had ever been used. Everything about it is identical to the full size ones. It was $5, needless to say, I started a friction fire.
😄 I bet your jeans went up quickly. Nice find
Hi Steve 28:45, looks like Oak leaves to me. The green part looks like a thistle head, so a stab in the dark, leads me to speculate that this is a commemoration of the Glorious twelfth, ( 12th of August), which is the start of the red grouse shooting season in the UK. Best wishes, Mal.
I too found a vice in the dumpster, it wasn’t a Wilton. I took it home to repair it lead screw was in wrong way around. Easy fix.
I use good old fashioned, home made rawhide on all my vice jaws. You can get it on line or make your own. I like mine better as it has a bit extra softer material on the inside skin. I have a vireo on how to do smaller batches on my channel. There is little to no cost aside from a bit of 3/4 plywood and a few screws to make a drying/streaching board. Once dry, I cut jaw sized pieces to make a face and a top L shape and and glue them together with crazy type glue. Then use rubber school type glue to easily fix them on the vice so they can be easily taken off. They are great but I have never welded close to mine but for everything else they really shine. Lathe jaws too. My primary use is holding the silver pieces I make for file and sanding work. I was pricing vises the other day and was amazed at how expensive they are now. This was an amazing opportunity for you. These new jaws are better than anything I have ever seen. Well done laddy !
I pick up things “of value “ that I see on the road or trash, and my wife finds it funny to point out large stray bolts on the side of the road just as I am pulling away from them. Saying wow did you see that bolt at the stop light, I’ll bet it was worth at least $3 while laughing at me.
An interesting tidbit of History when Fletcher Christian ran the HMS Bounty aground at Pitcairn Island in 1790 one of the things he salvaged was the vice from the ship. Today that vice is still being used by the descendants of the island.
(a short film called "Pitcairn Island Today " circa 1938 references this vice)
...and those are oak leaves. Greetings Steve !
I heard of a guy that has a DoAll horizontal bandsaw that they are repairing. It has a built in table for over length parts. Maybe you should contact him. His name is Steve Summers. I think he lives nearby. Good luck.
RSVP that drill bit. Good reminder that it's not just the tiny ones that break easily.
Anyway, it's a nice looking result. Bet the originals didn't come out of the factory looking half as good. But then again, it is easy to get a nice finish on bronze.
Steve, it is Hunting-hat pin. The German hunting hat, a typical design, are often dressed with feathers and ornate pins to hold them to the hat.
Try google "silberne Jagd Hutnadel mit Fasan, Eichenlaub und Jagdgewehr"
Nice job
the worst part of brass or bronze is the clean up.😊 those look like oak leaves to me.
It looks like a badge that people wore if they went to shoots for pheasant during the shooting season. The leaf looked like an English oak leaf Steve although I would have thought you'd recognise it. But those are my thoughts on that 'badge'.
Please, please, please continue with the DoAll bandsaw project!
Oak leaves. We have a lot of oak trees here in southern Ontario.
Excellent jaws. I located a 5" Wilton not long ago. Not as cheap as yours, but still several hundred less than retail. It had not been used at all. That's my dumpster find, I guess. lol Thanks.
I googled West Germany hunting badge and looked at image results and saw other badges with the same green outer part, some etsy results and one on ebay for $220! What a cool find
Magnificent
Easily the best shaper driver on the internet.
RE: Band saw. Something else you might consider is building a base with casters so you can easily move the saw around the shop or push it into a place where it is out of the way.
Nice work on the jaws. I do hand chiseling on brass door knobs and steel vise jaws would ruin my work. I found lead way too soft. It ends up embedded in my work. Instead I go to my local tire shop and get scrap lead and zinc wheel weights. Nowadays there are lots of steel weights. Only the lead/zinc work. I made a steel mold for soft jaws that slip over my vise jaws. I cast about 5 sets at a time. When they are too deformed to use I just remelt them and they are good as new.
I see you already have the swivel base. Very nice. Now look jealous mine was given to me by a friend but didn't get that base it is old but works great. It is a Prentiss vice, bull dog no. 92. Made in New York. Will wait to comment AFTER the video.
Yippee! *Thank You* for the video Steve. 👍
I have the same exact Schiller Park 1971 Wilton 3.5" Vice Model 101020 that was in service for many years in a High School Metal Shop. lots of Patina and "Abuse". I am restoring it with the decision right now being do I keep the Patina and put it back in service or make it look "new"..... I have settled on keeping it as it looks with all the love put on it by young learners.... I work at the high school and this was destined for the scrap pile for similar reasons it was stuck fast and had 4 layers of paint.
I thought you would use the mill for the serrations. Seems faster on the shaper. Nice soft jaws Steve. Also, I am an avid "dumpster diver" too.
you may like the patina but i would hit it lightly with a sandblast to brighten it up - it will re-patina and you will get a lot of use out of the vise - you are putting the shop to good use and the tools are the heart of the operation (as well as the know how) thanks for the content! #close
Steve. Yes you need a pair of soft-jaws, but you also need a new pair of jeans! 😄
15:26 WOW!!
Patience and attentiveness encourages low cost treasure finds. I have a long list of similar value treasures found unexpectantly. I enjoy using mine or passing them on to others. I pucjed up 2 identical Wilton vises (without the swivel bases) for $35 each. I am guessing that they were school shop surplus judging by 8-10 various colors of paint slopped on them. They were better than average gifts to 2 of my boys. One has been repainted at least once and has lived on the back of 2 or 3 of his service trucks. It is essentially his daily user. My "restoration" required paint removal and fresh paint. I didn't have to do any mechanical wirk besides cleaning. My son spends many thousands of dollars annually on new tools and equipment. A $35 vise is laughable to him, but he has never upgraded that Wilton truck vise.
I found a Bosch jigsaw in a dumpster once….it needed a new cord!
Hey Steve - great vid. Re: the serrations on the jaws being too sharp. I'm wondering why you didn't go back over it with the shaper and take another couple mils off the top to blunt the points? Conversely, you could've also changed the angle and/or spacing of the serrations and accomplished the same thing without sacrificing the thickness of the jaws. Do you think the sharpness of the serrations will mar your future projects? Thanks!
Nice video Steve. Good to see both the sweet puppers!
That pin you found was for the hunting license in West Germany it takes 2 years to get that pin.
Now I think I need a Shaper, in the event I want to make some new jaws for the vises I have. Curious if the ways on that Cincinnati were rescraped? They looked fantastic! Thanks for the videos.
That's factor flaking on the shaper ram. 👍
My wife and I were laughing our a**es of at “I jumped in there like Mr. Scrooge in his money pile” 😂😂
Shaper day good day
Excellent job Steve.
Oak leaves on that pin! White oak, to boot.
Thought you might used an off set to the grid so they'd mesh . . . and match when closed . .
Good job Steve 👍
What a lucky find. I have been wanting a Wilton bullet vise for years, but can't really afford one they are super expensive
The leaves on the pin looked like Oak Leaves.