People forget we had bright colors in the past. All over the world people wore bold reds, yellows, blues, greens, any dye they had. People have always loved color, especially kids
Yeah, but put it is more labor intesive to clean your clothes and dyes that didn't fade were expensive. Monty Python isn't correct but didn't the luxury of cheap dyes. Imagine perpetudly faded and slightly worn shirt.
@@PJDAltamirus0425people favored the brighter colors though because they were cheaper than darker colors (black usually being the MOST expensive) and they certainly didn’t fade into have NO color they might appear a little washed out but it wasn’t like they just didn’t have color
when people say it looks like cosplay it means that that it's too on the nose and self aware. it runs counter to world building and immersion. things are to crisp and clean and feels like a fan film with a big budget running on the surface level idea of things rather than trying to flesh out the world. the netflix series was trying so hard to outdo the M.Night adaptation that it failed in different ways.
@@Iznikroc its fantasy and its literary an adaptation from a cartoon, the fact that they have the same clothes and they are always clean just gives a cartoonish vibe to the show, very similar to the original animated series, you just decided to see it in a negative way, thats your choice and opinion, not a fact
@@liver6513yes but if they did add the details such as weathering and sewing patterns it would make it look less fake because in live action the way they look makes it look like they were made to go to a convention which isn't exactly a good thing because of the fact that you're supposed to believe people live in these clothes like imagine if they had eggs closed with weathered and even partly damaged from being covered in ice for a 100-year that would add to the illusion of reality imagine if Sokka had stitch patterns throughout his outfit because it's shown that his clothes need to be sewn back together it would be accurate to the source material and have its own unique Flair similar to how they didn't just one-to-one translate Captain America's costume in the movies it looks how it should but it has its own style I personally like the costumes but that's because I already like the way they look in the cartoon but I don't like the fact that it has no unique style to it
I'm one of tho people, specifically the ivory doesn't look like old ivory at all. It's just they're too clean and white for them to be believable. Also some others have noted the lack of wrinkles and I totally agree. Hemp, cotton, and silks are all common fibers in China which possess that wrinkly worn quality which I think is an excellent point
Aang’s tattoo doesn’t look very real either.. it’s a block of color in the cartoon because cartoon simplify things to convey the main characteristics. But that doesn’t work in a real life adaptation
@@tai-yihuang928 The color of Aang's tattoo is that way because it should be that way. Why would his tattoo be changed because you believe it isn't good looking?
Yes I agree that the clothes look new but cosplaying is such an over exaggeration a “costume” like that would probably be 100s of dollars it looks pretty realistic and didn’t really bother me too much who only watched the show to see how similar the show was visually it was a little weird but eons better whatever the fuck the first movie was, that changed everything to something that was just stereotypically realistic. The Netflix adaptation did a great job on the visuals. Other than zuko’s scar like I like the red that was missing in the movie but where’s the scar?
@@dav1d9 they probably didn't have the time or budget to spend weathering the clothes. Costume budgets are way toghter than most people think even on big budget productions.
When people say it looks like “cosplay,” what they mean is “it’s too crisp, clean, and polished to have been lived in, and it’s breaking my immersion as a result.” It has nothing to do with color saturation or accuracy. In other words, it looks like it was just bought brand new, freshly pressed, and never before worn. That only works when the character in-universe is, in fact, wearing a brand new freshly pressed garment. Otherwise, it screams “costume” instead of “clothes.” Clothes don’t need to be distressed, filthy, or faded to look lived-in. In fact, they can still look new, vibrant, and clean. But they shouldn’t look freshly pressed and starched-unless the scene calls for that. There is usually a process in costuming where the wardrobe is (for lack of a better term) “dismantled” to reflect how it would have been worn/lived-in, adding a sense of realism/believability to the world. To save on time, this step is sometimes skipped. There are moments in the show where the outfits actually look fantastic. This could be because the shots where the outfits look great where filmed later in production, so the actors had time to actually wear the costumes, and the costumers would have had time to make adjustments/improvements. Furthermore, the longer the costume is worn by an actor, the less stiff the fabric becomes, and the more natural the actor will move in the getup. The audience may not realize that a costume looks “off” due to an actor’s subtle movements, but our subconscious will likely pick up on it. Hope that explanation helps.
Thank you for saying this! I’ll personally add that I don’t care if the show isn’t accurate to the original (including the costumes), because I just want to be entertained, which I was far from being.
thank you!! also, in most animation, clothes are simplified for ease of drawing, especially in a show like avatar that has scenes with martial arts and elaborate body movements. so in the cartoon, we’re not gonna see normal wear and tear, fading, stitches, fabrics, etc. the costume designers SHOULD go into the details.
@@crustycrumpetkaiser6734 You're right that all fantasy should be colorful, but Asian fantasy in particular straight up wouldn't make sense if it were dull. All across the Asian continent you'll see heavy use of bright dyes on clothes, it and spices are the staples of why the Silk Road trade route was so vital. The setting simply wouldn't be the same if it weren't colorful, whereas European fantasy can use the excuse of bright dyes being too expensive for the common folk typically portrayed to buy.
@ianluk8855 You're missing the point. We're expressing why we disagree with the video. I don't like the clothes used in this adaptation because it looks too cheap. The textiles look too cheap and "inauthentic". It brings me out of the immersion.
@@SoftTangerineDreams and I'm here saying that there are way more important things than "immersion" and the clothes they're using. I'm willing to bet that's just an excuse to complain about something just for the sake of complaining. I mean, the texture of the clothes? That's just about the most pedantic, unnecessarily nitpicky thing you could choose to complain about. And what does inauthentic even mean? This isn't the real world.
@ianluk8855 Some people like to feel that their favorite shows seem authentic to their source material or to reality because they want to be really invested in the show. And that's how some people do it. It's obviously a staged production and not reality, but, Avatar is one of the more realistic cartoons. And, there are real cultures and clothes it is based on, and, clothes that are used often change over time. So, yes, it can be inauthentic to how it ought to be shown.
Yue's hair was an actual lacefront human hair wig in Shamalan's, which looks league's better than the new series' Disneyland princess wig. And that was my main issue on the costuming side.
I think it’s kinda just surreal seeing them 1/1 identical to the cartoon. That so rarely happens with adaptations that when it does we’re not used to it, which is why it gets compared to cosplay since those are usually more accurate to source material.
Not only that, but there are things that work differently between film and cartoon. Clothes in cartoons always clean because it fit with the animated visual. But clothe in real-life don't look like that. Seeing something that clean, that new, that get the feeling of this is cosplay stuff and not real clothes that the characters wear every day.
I think it's also because the show is shot so dark that the costumes look out of place. The cinematograohy is so dark in the night scenes and washed-out and grey during the daytime scenes, the visual contrast is very jarring.
No, the costumes in the new live action suck, not because they’re bright colored and accurate, but because they’re too clean and immaculate. That’s why it feels like plastic. None of the clothes or items have any history shown behind them, any damage. How have these guys been traveling, fighting, and their clothes are sooo clean all the time????? Zuko’s blue spirit mask has the same problem, it just looks so fake. The clothes in the original can look like that because it’s a cartoon, animation has to simplify character design so that it’s easier to animate. In live action it’s the opposite when it comes to costume design and props. Things have to look real and detailed, you have to think about the history of the item, the context it exists in and it’s connection to the characters. They did none of that in this new series.
one of the MOST important parts of costuming is weathering, when i worked in the props side of costume shop and hell we would get a beautiful costume, gorgeous and what do we do??? we tear seams, bash with rocks, paint, sawdust- the costumes are beautiful but they don't look real, and for film it's very important because you see everything edit so yall can stop points i've addressed the costumes being colorfully and similar to the animation isn't the problem, it's the lack of weathering on them that makes them look like costumes which!!! for the reality of the characters in the show, THEY SHOULDN'T. I love color, i don't think everything in the world is grey and brown, I am not even against no weathering as a concept because it can make a piece of media feel campy and fun. But that's not what this remake is going for in its tone or lighting, writing. Not to pull a card but i've literally worked in this field and had to LEARN. ITS FINE IF YOU LIKE IT, IM NOT MAD AT YOU PERSONALLY FOR ENJOYING SOMETHING I FEEL from a somewhat professional stance is unfinished and is tied to the lack of respect and control us that workers backstage get now. I have bigger issues with this remake then the costumes, this is genuinely though the aspect i am educated to weigh in on. Dear God please look at this critically.
maybe they choose to make it like that, its fantasy and its literary an adaptation from a cartoon, the fact that they have the same clothes and they are always clean just gives a cartoonish vibe to the show, very similar to the original animated series, but you obviously want to judge and see everything in a negative way.
@@joevile240 people comparing this to lotr just shouldn’t talk at all, two different types of fantasy with different tones, if you really don’t get my point you just want to hate
I read an interview where the passion of the costume designer was sooo well explained. They interviewed and researched a ton of material from different cultures worldwide to make sure the looks and how it works all fit.
100% agree with you. Back in the 2000s people had such a negative attitude toward spandex, tights and capes and would prefer street clothes or all black, which to me was so boring. I despised the X-Men movie costumes or how Thor doesn’t wear his helmet in the movies. I think being elaborate and over the top is great for comics and cinema.
@@jackalexande you’re forgetting to consider that this is a fantasy world with flying bison, magic fish and a spirit-world connected 12 year old all within a civilization that can harness elemental powers. And your issue is there’s not enough dirt?
@@FooeyMcgooeyThey’re going for a synthetic look? Why? You can get blue in any type of fabric. Also, it just struck me that somehow the original show has less vibrant blues for Katara and Sokka than Netflix created, so I wonder why people are saying Netflix is following the original costumes. Technically it’s not.
The problem I tend to have is that bright colors that work for a cartoon rarely work IRL. This problem would be solved if they used colors that were a little more muted so they don't come off as garish.
I mean, the issue for me is that they all look so clean and bright relative to the surroundings. In the cartoon, it made sense since the world was colored to be so bright and vibrant, but in live action, it really sticks out. At least Aang's outfit does. It looks like it was literally just made moments before every scene starts. It's SO clean.
Yeah it really sticls out like a sore thumb. Weird he put so much emphasis on color and fantasy lime this show doesn't still try to take away color, and their bright costume looking outfits stand out as out of place.
Its not about too much colors, its about them feeling so fresh out of a boutique Your Hobbit example showed costumes that were colorful yes, but also felt like they've been worn more than once
@@greatninja2590 which makes sense for cartoon. Just like changing the tone to fit live action makes sense. Just like making the clothes look like real clothes that these characters travel in makes sense
I like the fact you showed LOR , it's not about the colours it's how pristine all the clothing looks. So were in LOR they look well weared, in this series it looked like they just bought their clothing and wearing it for the first time
Another good example is Harry Potter. Their bright clothes on their first year make sense, and their clothes even get dirty and stay dirty. Meanwhile, Netflix ATLA everyone's clothes look great after being hit with water, fire, and earth. Their clothes should be affected by the world around them.
Did you know that the Air Nomad’s were mostly based off of Tibetans and a little bit of Chinese culture? In the movie the temples and monasteries were destroyed by the fire nation just like what happened in Tibet by the Chinese(not including all of the Chinese).
You know what’s funny. One of my issues with GoT is that it removes a lot of the color from Martin’s world. Removing the Bolton’s crimson and pink coloring. Loras’s multi colored floral armor or Brienne’s blue armor. It feels like they were trying too hard to make it seem gritty when the material alone in the story does that. They also forget that Royalty and the aristocratic parts of medieval society liked color because it was a status symbol.
Honestly the Bolton change works better. The change to the black from the pink could be explained as them changing the colors after they “stopped” skinning people alive. And makes the inner design stand out more then if it was crimson on pink.
Seasons 1 and 2 live up to the colorfulness of the books but past that they make things darker in retrospect of the progression of the stories and characters. Daenerys is a great example as she goes from silky white dresses to black and silver armour fits
I always had this pet peeve with Tyrells because instead of using rich greens and gold for them, they usually wore blueish-green outfits that looked washed out. Thankfully Alicent's gown in HOTD looked appropiately green.
Truee. One of the many things I liked about HOT D is how they went for a more book accurate approach with the colorful heraldry, especially in the tourney scene.
The only thing they got right in the 2010 live action was Princess Yue. Princess Yue in the 2010 live action looked way more like the cartoon character than the Princess Yue in the 2024 live action.
I’m SO glad they made the outfits super colorful! It’s makes it WAY easier to tell the different nations and cities apart if the styles of clothing wasn’t obvious enough!
I think this guy missed the fact they're bad for different reasons. The Netflix adaptation is objectively bad because it got the character designs right but threw away key components of the character developments. And the other was bad because it basically threw away the character designs but got the story correct. Mayne and hear me out excutives can just keep the designs AND the story and people wouldn't complain about it being being bad bc at that point you're being snobby
@apers1013 I think the Netflix Adaptation is pretty good. Like, a solid 7/10. Every character was casted great, and each actor put their all into it. The only massive issue with it was the writing, and by the end of the show it really wasn't worse than the worst of Korra, which is the better show between the originals in my opinion. Zuko and Iroh in particular are wonderful, and the 41st Division thing is really cool. Suki has a genuinely perfect casting, and Sokka's sexism is more internalized which is kinda cool but I wish it was brought out more. The visual effects are wonderful and Zhao's new characterization is fantastic.
For the most part, I completely agree. My only issue with the costuming is the lack of weathering and some of the wigs. Overall, I really appreciate how true to the source it was and the overall quality of the costumes. The kyoshi warriors especially
Yeah, the clothes look like Cosplay because they look so god damned clean and ironed! It's like... Katara and Sokka's clothes look like they've been dry-cleaned and ironed at all times!!
Yes this is it for me. Love the costumes but you're telling me this mf was frozen in an ice ball for 100 years and his clothes look like they just got back from the dry cleaners?! Lol not buying it
The problem with the cloths is that they look to clean and it especially shows with the bright colors of the air nomad costume. With how bright it is it really stands out how pristine it all is which makes it look artificial or like a cosplay since most cosplay doesn’t go for environmental design (cause they’re walking around a convention) It might also be specifically how the camera picks up the color since even showing LOTR as an example of color in fantasy there’s a distinct difference between that and this.
M. Night's air bender tattoo design is the only positive I can give to it, just make the ink blue. In a non-cartoon setting how ornate it is gives it the look that it is something to be earned in the air nomad culture
@@vayoha02 the designs are there, but they aren't communicated cleanly because of the whole thing is blue. While yes, you get the "this looks similar to the iconic design but we added to it" the smaller line work just looks really muddy and it'd be better if they did one or the other not both.
The thing that really makes it look odd is that the clothes have no wrinkles. We have to remember that they would be washing clothes by hand or using bending and then drying them by wringing and then on a rope, which would leave wrinkles which they cannot remove because they would likely not have irons.
Except they’re benders, i could see Aang doing something to knock the water quickly to avoid wrinkles. Are clothes not wrinkling as they move thru them in the scenes???
@@mermaidtingzzzhe’s a 13 year kid trying to save the world, last thing he’s thinking of are the wrinkles in his clothes. He was also stuck sitting in ice for 100 years, his pants would have creases
@@mermaidtingzzz wrinkles from moving dont look the same as washing wrinkles do. I suppose Aang or Katara could use bending to dry clothes like they do in some episodes when they get wet. Im honestly just trying to rationalize why people think this.
I agree, the clothes look unworn. Especially in that kind of time period/society it's very common to have few outfits that get worn all the time vs. Many rotating outfits. Clothes would have more wear.
fr when the fire nation was attacking the northern water tribe they didnt even have a single scratch. It does look like cosplay, especially since it looks cheap af. At least the first live action is actually felt like it took place in the real world and not some fantasy world where nothing gets dirty
I don't think that color is the problem. The reason why it looks like cosplay is because it looks like a brand new costume. It doesn't look worn in, it's way too clean and bright. The example you showed with The Hobbit at the end is actually really good. It has color but it also looks realistic, like a person has actually worn the clothes.
True. The fibres also look synthetic and overly fine. I don't believe that the people of wolf cove would have access to such after a 100 years long isolationist war.
True it looks like quite thin and brand new, making them say it looks like bought-online cosplay clothing. I really liked the first ones clothing about Katara and Sokka, they had color too! Those looked like something that you actually have for everyday use like how it was intended to
Not gonna lie, who cares lol. In the kids tv show, they are wearing brightly colored clothing, so they made brightly colored costumes. The outfits are pristine
The air nomads are generally inspired by Tibetan monks who really do wear bright, brilliant red, orange, and yellow. And on that note, many of the traditional clothing from east, southeast, and south Asia are very colorful and vibrant. It's as if people have never seen a Sari, Kimono, Hanbok, or Qipao!
@FairyLotusUnicorn most people didn't wear colorful clothing on a day to day basis. You're correct, but even if they had a little money, they would maybe own 1 colorful set for special events or ceremonies. And considering we see the air nomads as a collective during a large festival, it's possible their clothing was uniquely bright for the occasion.
@@obvv7714 Cartoons and other styles of animation actually don't suffer from the problem at all. It's not part of the medium. The closes you get to a 1:1 comparison would be unrealistic physics or lighting simulations in 3d models.
@@obvv7714animation, film, and stage are all different mediums you have to change. A stage costume needs to big HUGE and bright and distinct, for 2d animation it way to costly to animate clothing being weathered without a reason plus it will only bug up the screen with unnecessary detail, and for film you want realism or you will feel disconnected from the scene, you will feel like you are watching actors people in costumes
The one thing I’ll say I did actually like in the movie is the airbender tattoos form an arrow and aren’t actually just an arrow, that’s one thing I feel like live actions are ok to do, expand on a design add details to make an animated character who has a more simple design look more in depth
I have no problem with color , but the color is looks so freshly dyed on everyone. That’s what makes it look like a costume, because there’s nothing slightly wrinkled , no fading on knees , etc, and nothing worn on the fabric AT ALL
@@umokwhy2830IT DOESN'T HAVE TO MAKE SENSE ITS A BOY WHO WAS ABLE TO LIVE IN AN ICEBERG FOR A 100 YEARS AND HAD COOL POWERS TO CONTROL ELEMNTS AND HAS A BISON THAT CAN FLY F L I G H T ITS AT LEAST A TON (2000 POUNDS) Fantasy is fantasy because it's not real, something that is dreamed out of people's minds Edit: it's also supposed to be a kids show so they can't have everything be drab and boring, brighter colors are usually thought of for things that are good. maybe they are really good at washing their clothes Maybe they have a really good type of dye Since dyes were founded in the real world people has used them to create bright pieces of clothing Fashion is very different in the avatar world so YES it can make sense and it does, you can't just say something doesn't make sense because "oH I dOnT LiKe BrIgHt cOlors BecAuSe thEYre LIveS aRe sUpPoSeD tO bE sAd😭😭😭😭😭" Sorry for the rent I just really hate your comment
As others have pointed out, it’s not the design of the outfits, it’s the quality. The fabric looks costume grade, which is worsened by the cleanness and lack of any wear. It doesn’t look like the clothes the character actually wear, it looks like they grabbed them out of a costume bin.
I was going to say something similar. But more along the lines of Adaptations aren't made better or worse when the clothes are 1:1 recreations. It truly depends on the costume. And considering the costume, the storys setting, and the character. It may be a better choice to make a new outfit for a character that still fits the themes of that character and the story. Especially if the costume truly only works in animation it makes sense to change it.
This is a problem Netflix has been having with like all their productions. It works in something like Bridgerton or One Piece but for everything else it looks like a stage play.
I could not agree with you more.i am so happy they got the go ahead for season 2 and 3 .i actually felt like i was watching a live version of the cartoon. Extra bonus the series made my husband want to watch the cartoon 😊
Main problem is the Southern water tribe. The prints are 100% cheap Spirit Halloween quality decals. Katara has the nice necklace, yes, but the material of her outfit doesn't look weather appropriate at all. It looks like polyester. The issue isn't that it has color. The issue is that it looks like it was ordered off Shein.
While the fabrics and especially the lack of thickness of the "furs" to make them look like real ones was lacking, as was weathering etc, I'd be careful commenting on the prints. To me they look a lot like they were inspired by the indigenous Hokkaido Ainu people's clothing, which look a LOT like that.
I wouldn’t say cheap but maybe not as weather appropriate as it could be! Like they just have on the wrong coats for the temp. They probably just needed to add more volume to the coats to look more insulating bc the aesthetic is down pat.
its not the pattern shape i'm talking about, those "prints" wouldnt be printed on cricket paper and ironed on. they'd be stained/beaded/stitched with the skill of indigenous artists. Just because they were inspired by real culture doesnt mean it cant be a cheap and lackluster representation. Which BTW i saw some pics of Northern Water tribe (i hadn't gotten to look at yet) & i found SEVERAL beaded and embroidered examples. So specifically katara was given this cheap cosplay print. And again I am not talking about the content of the pattern, im talking about the material used in the costuming department. @@iwillcontactattorneygenera1078
I don't think it's the colours that are throwing people off. It's how the clothes look like they're brand new from a costume shop. No stains, frayed holes, or even dirt. I'm always expecting to see a price tag still attached somewhere.
Yeah that's all I could see when I watched it. The scene where they captured Iroh and they're walking through the mud and everyone looks spotless is just insane.
@@gregspecht3706or the fact that they were in Omashu and the area where it’s supposed to be a marketplace looks pristine like its a stage play. It’s a damn marketplace, it’s supposed to look dirty and busy.
I think that the problem is more that they don't look worn. They look like pristine costumes rather than everyday clothes (no dirt, no rips, perfectly pressed)
I've worn the same shirt for four days and haven't washed it yet, and there's very little debris on it. They wash their clothes frequently, so how is it not likely that their clothes would be clean?
@@darkenergy9760 not necessarily clean. Just look worn. Colours fade with repeated washing. A t-shirt btw is not the same as those warm coats that they wear in the South Pole
@TheJadedJames I live in the Midwest. It's basically the same thing during the winter, lol. There was a huge blizzard and it got -25⁰f not too long ago.
@TheJadedJames You guys are just being nitpicky to an annoying extent. The show isn't good but at least criticize it for the things that actually make it bad. The clothes are the least of everyone's concerns you're just looking for something else to complain about. 😂
Yeah the fabric looked straight off the roll from the costume designer’s workshop lol. And I can’t see suede being practical or at least in that good of a condition in the southern water tribe. But I love how similar the designs look to the cartoons!
It's not worn in or weathered, that's the problem. The furs are clearly synthetic and the trims are clearly machine embroidered. I am studying costume design and I work in a costume shop currently.
Take for example, the blue cap in Monsters University. When Mike Wazowski got that cap, you can clearly see one part of the brim is split open and there are some stains on it. The next scene showing Mike got older, it is easy to tell he is still wearing the same cap because it has the same split open brim and stain spots on it, but the colors are faded and more worn-out. These features not only gave the cap an identity but also told us how much it meant to Mike. The split open brim shows it constantly got put on and took off by the same side of the hand, the stains indicate the cap had been worn at many places, and even as it looked old Mike still wouldn't replace it because this is what he cherished the most. The cap inspired Mike to pursue his dream job and is a great reminder to never give up his goal, like a lucky charm he wore the cap through thick and thin until it completely got destroyed, symbolizing he needs to move on. Since The Last Airbender is set in ancient times, and the Air Nomads use bisons as transportations while they are able to control air, their clothes should have some bison hair, dust, or maybe leaves stick on it, the fabric of their clothes should also look torn if they are constantly having wind surrounding them. Same goes to the Fire People. Since fire is their main weapon, their clothes should have some parts burnt or covered in soot. Clothes can only stay brand new as being used for display, but regular clothes can't, there has to have some marks left as time moves on, and if an animated movie can give a cap so much meaning just by how it looks, it makes the Netflix show seem empty by comparison.
Yes this is exactly what I thought! Plus the armour looks a lot like foam, especially the helmets and headgear. Is it a decent representation of the cartoon outfits? Yeah. Could it have been done way better? Absolutely
yeahhh i stopped watching after the first episode cause as much as the story was almost 1:1 (with the added stuff in the beginning but otherwise true to the show) it was clearly all shot on stage with green screens. which i have no problem with but they didn’t take the time to sell the environment (as you mentioned with the pristine looking clothes all the time) there was just no sense of place in the show. sure the sets look good on green screen and the special effects were great, but the characters/actors obviously and very clearly aren’t rooted in the world.
As a costume designer, i wanna share how important it is to age garments. They look fresh out of a costume shop because they show no sign of wear and tear that you’ll get from actually living in them. I noticed the seams of sokkas coat has shading along it but it looked sprayed on with air brush and unrealistic. Clothes are worn, stretched, they fray, bleach from the sun, stain and you sweat in them etc. it’s not about the colours, it’s the textures. Although the first movie aang robe doesn’t look like the animation, it looks realistic and it very well done
@erwinamanciosilva7693 Such an ignorant take, a show doesn't need to be based on real life for it to NEED a sense of it being played in our world. We expect humanity from our characters, part of it is in the customes they wear. It's called atmosphere and ambiance.
@@erwinamanciosilva7693 if they don't want to bring an extra layer of realism, or shall we say human-ness, to the show, what exactly is the point of making it live action? The whole point is to be different than the anime in some way.
I get what you're saying, but counterpoint I've had clothes that I stopped wearing only because they didn't fit me after plenty of years of school. They practically looked the same outside of some that had holes that had nothing to do with wear and tear, just had accidents from time to time.
i agree completely. i knew something felt off about the clothes, not cause they weren’t accurate to the cartoon, but because they looked as if you just unpackaged them from spirit halloween
I haven’t caught up fully on Avatar but as a person who has done theater, has experience with costume designing, and just a huge nerd. Yes. I fully agree with you🤝
The first movie did have slightly better costumes because the clothes look weathered and lived in. While the Netflix remake looks almost identical to the show they look like they came right of the line. That's why people say it looks like cosplay because it looks so pristine and new, like how most cosplay looks
The movie's costumes don't look weathered at all, though; they just look a little dingy because they used less saturated dyes and cool color grading. I guess the dingyness sort of resembles the white t-shirt turning gray with age look, but that's specifically the result of modern soap additives. Pre-1950s, light fabrics would yellow over time and realistic visible wear would look like visible repairs and alterations, ex patches, embroidery, and gussets and trim in slightly mismatched fabrics.
To be honest, the first live action was more “realistic” like if it was real life, but real avatar fans don’t care. And the second live action was closer to what the fans wanted, they just randomly cut out important parts of the show people liked, so both aren’t the best but they tried. (Some would argue they didn’t try and they wouldn’t be completely wrong😂)
This is what I told my gf. Yue looked like she had a whole helmet on her head. It kept throwing me off whenever she would be on screen and made her journey more of a comedy than a tragedy.
I only saw a little bit of the first live action when I was very young and I haven’t seen the new one but I have to agree, the costume design for the first one was a bit better. I don’t like it when people try to make live action characters look like cartoons
My problem with it is that they don’t look “real” they look too clean, to many flat colors for me it’s better then the first live action but they should have had a little bit of dirt or something on the clothes
Exactly, it’s a big problem for some war movies, the clothes look out of a random costume bin and not being worn regularly by a traveling group of hardworking people
I genuinely love some of the costuming in this show, but I feel like there's definitely an issue with the lack of wear-and-tear and "dirt" on the clothes. Looking a little too pristine at times. I'd love it if they looked a bit more lived in.
Yes, this was what's bugging me about the costumes. Katara and Sokka's, even Aang's clothes should have a bit more wear and fading. OTOH, I was expecting Bumi's clothes to have been more lavish on account of being the king. The designs themselves were quite good.
It's not the color issue, it's the fact the clothes look brand new when the characters have been fighting, sweating and travelling in them for weeks (the best washing they could possibly get would be river washing. They should've prepped the clothes better, ran them over a few times, washed by hand with cold water, etc
This. They look shiny, cheap, and fresh out of a spirit halloween packet. Just because this guy doesn't have the knowledge or words to explain why it's ugly doesn't mean it's not ugly😂
I saw a RUclipsr make a point that really helped it make sense. It’s not the costumes themselves. They’re great. It’s that they’re too pristine. It works in a cartoon but irl clothing has stains and creases and fading especially when characters are active as these ones would be. Having it all look so perfect produces an ironic uncanny effect that gives that “cosplay” feeling.
Bro the reason it looks like cosplay isn’t the costumes themselves it’s that they look entirely clean and unworn and takes away a certain level of realism, this is something the one piece live action did really well making the characters world feel realistic and lived in
Exactly what I was going to say. I take Harry Potter as an example, where the uniforms were made just for the movies, but treated just as they would with normal clothing and even gave the actor the permission to wear them wherever they wanted, like they were real students. That is what make the difference between an actor wearing a custome and a character. I invite everyone to watch any movie and pay close attention to outfits, do they look like cosplay or clothing used on that world?
Yes, thank you this is exactly what bothered me! Love the color. Just need to actually believe they been fighting and flying around the world in those outfits. Need it to feel worn in, not brand new out of package look.
I can’t wrap my head around people not being able to see past the clothes looking “too new”. I thought this was a fabulous adaptation, they nailed the characters and the settings so well that I didn’t even notice the costumes. To each their own 🤷♀️
We aren't arguing that, we argue that the clothes in the first episode look squeaky clean, and they are supposed to be worn for YEARS It should look used, that's why we say it looks like cosplay 😂 same thing with Yue's wig, it looks like a wig, so when she says "my hair turned white" you cant take it seriously cuz it looks fake ❤. I'm sure they will improve in these little details next season❤
its fantasy and its literary an adaptation from a cartoon, the fact that they have the same clothes and they are always clean just gives a cartoonish vibe to the show, very similar to the original animated series, if you don't like it thats fine, but its your opinion, not a fact (Yue's wig was actually trash, you are right about that)
@@liver6513 I mean, they said they wanted to appeal to game of thrones fans, and be more mature, I doubt his take was being cartoonish, but yeah it's an opinion, and the costumes get better when they leave water tribes, I had the most trouble with Katara's and Sokka's coat, but yeah I'm being a bit too argumental.
@@liver6513 I don't understand the claim for "cartoonish". Look to the very well liked One Piece adaptation for reference, no one's complaining about the production design and product on that. If they were going for cartoonish, they wouldn't have skipped out on things like everyone's eyes reflecting their nation and element, the rest of the hair like Katara's, Zuko's scar which is barely a port wine stain, the colour grading, making the elements ultra "realistic" and claiming to be aiming for "Game of Thrones". The show isn't terrible, but it isn't what was expected. You only need to look as far as the original showrunners leaving the production, the difference between the outstanding concept art from 5 years ago versus now, and the fact that most of the teams (most obviously hair and makeup, costuming for things like weathering clothes and puffing out things like furs to look better, likely writers given how often the dialogue feels like a draft version and likely actors as well) were pretty clearly forced to work under way too tight a schedule and had to cut corners.
The problem is it misses details the look like costumes not clothes they wear everyday. It misses those small details and because it looks brand new it looks like cosplay
You're talking about costumes We're talkiing about how are they going for the original source material with the storylines, characters, atmosphere, AND clothing... Which one are you talking about?
@@FooeyMcgooeycostumes, he's talking about how awful the costumes look because everything looks like it was just ripped out of a plastic bag 5 minutes ago. This is a fantasy world where all the costumes look fresh from a Halloween store, supposedly set in an era where most people would wear the same sets of clothes for their entire adulthood. They're so unbelievably clean it genuinely ruins any immersion I have for this setting
@drpepperman2765 All I saw was the cartoon turned into real life and I can deal with the rest. I'm not picky because the movie set the bar so high at the time and ruined that nostalgic feeling for me until the live series came out.
@@FooeyMcgooey even if it's better than the movie, it's still a weaker version of the animated show where they have every character explain who they are and what they're feeling instead of showing us all that info in an interesting way (like in the original). Like genuinely, what did we gain from this live action show that wasn't in the animated version? Is anything better in the live action show that makes it worth watching over the original? Genuinely asking cause I saw nothing that even came close to the quality of the original show, and at that point I've really got to question why even bother adapting the show to live action in the first place? It's already a cultural icon and a classic beloved by everyone who grew up with it, everyone already knows what it is and appreciates the animated show as an undisputed masterpiece, so what is there to gain from a live action show? I'd rather see an Earthbender Avatar series, I'd rather see the adult Gaang movie that's supposed to come out next year. Instead of trying to recreate the original series and recapture lightning in a bottle, they should expand the series and explore new ideas and storylines within this vast universe. I'm not opposed to an Avatar series being live action, but remaking The Last Airbender is a pointless endeavor that's only gonna produce a weaker end product than the original. Genuinely, why waste time and money telling a story that was already told perfectly? Give me something new and interesting within this universe instead, expand it out and give us more stories instead of more of the same
@@drpepperman2765right!! It’s so ASS. I’d have preferred if they just don’t make it. I had very high hopes and tried to push through even after the bs first episode but it was utter crap. They ruined the trio’s relationship from the get-go. Screwed over Iroh’s character, damn I could write a thesis over everything they did wrong in this season, that would mess up the storyline for the next two. It’s just ass and I wish I could erase it from my mind. “You, you’re not just a regular Airbender” 💀🤦🏽♀️
@SyEED. Okay, I understand and I am with you now. The movie just ruined the experience for all of us because the bar was VERY high. Meanwhile, people don't understand the difference between an anime live action and cartoon live action. One Piece is an anime. Scooby Doo, just like ATLA, is a cartoon..... think about it for a moment.
I totally get you and I agree! I believe that one of the problems is, that the costumes are so clean... which is what makes them look like cosplays. There's no dirt, it doesn't look like they've lived life in them. It's too perfect. Where lotr is doing a phenomenal job at that, which might have helped here to make it look more believable
its fantasy and its literary an adaptation from a cartoon, the fact that they have the same clothes and they are always clean just gives a cartoonish vibe to the show, very similar to the original animated series, if you think thats a negative aspect then its your opinion, not a fact.
@@liver6513 That's totally just my opinion, no question in that. I just think that in Lord of the Rings the costumes look more real, which is also a phantasy adaptation. And I'm really happy they kept the same costumes as in the cartoon. But that they only got a bit dirty, when they fought super hard fights I found a bit strange
@@Prince-Darwin I was thinking of something like water stains. My friend, who studied costume design, said the same thing. Some of the animal skins would never look like that, if they'd been in a humid environment for years.
EXACTLY! Someone said it! People always say Iroh was a horrible person in the live action because he didn’t apologise after being brutally tortured 😅 let’s not lie to ourselves Iroh wasn’t that 2D in the show he had depth and knew when someone didn’t deserve is breath.
@@kai0tfoool you want to take it to that level okay there's is thing it's called a stain and normal water won't get it out of your clothes so unless their mixing bleach with it there clothes wouldn't be that clean and one of them much such a good seamstress that they can sow a piece of clothing so good it looks brand new and fire don't even get me started with fire so your telling me with all the encounters they have with people that can bend fire none of their clothes have gotten the littlest bent burnt. Like it's not a big deal and it's definitely not just this franchise that has this problem it's a big thing lots of directors overlook whether it be an animated TV show or a normal one
@@CL4PTRAPS_SQUIREin the animated series did their clothes ever look dirty or tattered at all? No they didn’t so why would they choose to make the clothes worn down in the live action?
The issue that the costumes in the new one look too clean and pristine. The water tribe in the South are struggling just to eat, you'd think their clothes would be tattered and patchy to reflect that
But they're not in the live action Netflix adaptation? They made it so young me and old men are left in the tribe enough that they've utilized the landscape to help keep the tribe alive.. WHICH IS INSANELY BRILLIANT DETAILING. It makes sense for them to not looked starved because they're not. That and FPS I'm sick and tired of everything needing to look grimy or something. It's like people thinking Africa is only impoverished without looking at the striving economical cities it also has or that not every rural village looks devastated.
@@joaomotta513 The books had so much fashion to the point it's actually used to symbolize and further plots. Where is Cersei's Targaryen colored dress after Robert died? Mance's black with red silk cloak? Theon going from gold satins and black velvet to plain tunics before and after visiting the Iron Islands. The clothes in the show were decent but nowhere near the pageantry of the books.
The reason people say it looks like cosplay is because the outfits look way to clean for the conditions they live in. There are no stains, dirt, burn marks, ripped parts or anything.
@@almas4663if you think a little wear on your costuming for a show ruins the colors Idk what to tell you. Plenty of other colorful shows do it and they look just as colorful. It can be exactly as bright, just run a brush over it to rough your the texture a bit and make It look like it’s been worn hundreds of times day after day. Some mud stains on the bottoms of pants. Something.
@@Birchlead The textures are already rough and believable, I don't want them to tear this masterpiece apart just cause some critics on the internet can't suspend their disbelief, and demand for actors to look like hobos in patched, desaturated clothing. Got plenty of that in the movie that should not be named, thank you very much. Why no one critisizes, I dunno, Star Wars this way? "Wellth akfually, the jedi cloths are thou prestine! Ith unrealithic!" 🤓
@@almas4663so then you don’t want believable live action then. You want a mix of nostalgia and real people cosplaying to achieve that thrill for you. When kotara hits herself with water but is completely dry 2seconds later with no dampness or even wet hair you take me out of it. That’s not how water works. And your willingness to accept such a thing is fine but it comes at the price of realizing this show will never get technical awards. Costuming? Is trash and over polished especially in terms of the world building. It copies the original looks fantastically but lacks all functionality as real clothing these characters would wear. CGI? Is great overall but there are too many easily fixed spots of pure laziness where they drop the ball not thinking the audience will notice(ie the water and fire not having real world effects) dialogue? Absolutely abysmal, and lifted of a Cracker Jack box. It’s so lifeless and paper thin there’s nothing realistic in the manner most characters speak and carry themselves. It’s cosplay dialogue. It’s dialogue performed in a middle school play because the young actors don’t have the emotional chops for a play that’s well over 100 yrs old. It’s empathetic support that makes you clap when you’ve seen it performed by better equipped actors who did miles better. Aangs actor is alright but garbage. We want to coddle him because he’s a real kid and all that but the reality is that he can’t act good enough for a role like this. Those small details are important. Store bought cinnamon rolls are great but they’ll never be the same as Cinnabon brand fresh out the oven and their store. The live action is fine as a knockoff but no where near as good as the original anime. Nor is it great on its own merit as the only people watching it watched the original content. Everyone else has basically stopped watching already.
@@vikkidonn You remind me of two different types of gamers... One wants a realistic game with an immersive world and fun, thrilling gameplay...And another wants "realism" so your character has to eat, sleep, piss.... Realism isn't good, especially for fantasy
People are saying the first adaptation's costumes ar better cause they look like actual clothes that are worn in. The netlfix show might be more accurate color and shape wise but the squeeky clean nature of the costumes makes everything look like a theater production and that issue extends into almost every aspect of the productuon design imo
Most asian clothing does have vibrant and stiff fabric despite how often you use it. The only example I can give is the barong and saya from the Philippines. In which the material used is a little thicker for modesty and also to avoid wrinkles after laundry
this is an oversimplification, what is "most asian clothing"? what is "stiff" fabric? heavy silk brocade? cotton tulle? starched linen? costumes should be appropriate for the character wearing them. stiff pristine and brightly coloured clothing makes sense for characters who can afford those things, like kings, government officials and noble class people. travellers, villagers, people sleeping out in the open most nights, people who exercise and get into trouble everyday, fugitives and refugees would have clothes which have worn with time. common people wouldn't have access to vibrant dyes or use for stiff clothing when they have work to do.
butt they don’t look cartoonish. Please stop lumping all asians together. We don’t use cheap synthetic materials in the indian subcontinent despite having colorful clothes
@@pb7199he told you an actual fact and you're complaining. You're complaining when people are crying ove costumes that look exactly like the cartoon through and through and you're complaining. You're complaining.
It’s definitely not the color, the one to one match of the show does look amazing! The problem comes with the fact that the costumes do not have the wrinkles, the color is not worn out anywhere, there is no feeling to them. It looks like they were just freshly sewn, ironed, and spritzed with fabric softer. Of course, I love the new show, and have very high hopes! I have no problems with it so far, but this is merely a detail people would have appreciated!
I don’t think we should get rid of the color or change the design, because over all it looks amazing, but I think that it would feel more like the clothes were actually worn on a regular basis if they added things like small frays or dirt tinge These clothes are being worn almost every day, especially in the case of the water tribes who don’t have constant access to new materials Just water doesn’t do much against time I don’t think they necessarily look like cosplayers, but it looks like everyone just got a brand new outfit straight from the dry cleaners
The One Piece live action is a PERFECT use of color in a live action show. The original show is just so bright and colorful and all the sets and costumes that were used for the live action were PHENOMENAL. It was able to be in your face colorful but not awkward and it was WONDERFUL
The argument is because the costumes looks like it was ironed and cleaned before shooting. Little bit dirty and ruggedness could make it looked more "alive".
Realistically they would still wash their clothes regularly. The movie is a condensed version of a story line that spans several months so it’s not like they just wake up and throw on the same clothes before each battle. They most likely would wash their clothes every few days or so
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People forget we had bright colors in the past. All over the world people wore bold reds, yellows, blues, greens, any dye they had. People have always loved color, especially kids
Yeah, but put it is more labor intesive to clean your clothes and dyes that didn't fade were expensive. Monty Python isn't correct but didn't the luxury of cheap dyes. Imagine perpetudly faded and slightly worn shirt.
@@PJDAltamirus0425people favored the brighter colors though because they were cheaper than darker colors (black usually being the MOST expensive) and they certainly didn’t fade into have NO color they might appear a little washed out but it wasn’t like they just didn’t have color
They still do now in Tibet and India and similar places
Yeah, just look at stuff like Star Trek
It all changed when the fire nation attacked
Honestly the “It looks like cosplay” insult isn’t even that much of an insult cosplayers can recreate costumes so well
when people say it looks like cosplay it means that that it's too on the nose and self aware. it runs counter to world building and immersion. things are to crisp and clean and feels like a fan film with a big budget running on the surface level idea of things rather than trying to flesh out the world. the netflix series was trying so hard to outdo the M.Night adaptation that it failed in different ways.
True this! As a cosplayer, I can verify this. We try to recreate out cosplays EXACTLY.
yea i've seen better cosplay lmao
@@Iznikroc its fantasy and its literary an adaptation from a cartoon, the fact that they have the same clothes and they are always clean just gives a cartoonish vibe to the show, very similar to the original animated series, you just decided to see it in a negative way, thats your choice and opinion, not a fact
@@liver6513yes but if they did add the details such as weathering and sewing patterns it would make it look less fake because in live action the way they look makes it look like they were made to go to a convention which isn't exactly a good thing because of the fact that you're supposed to believe people live in these clothes like imagine if they had eggs closed with weathered and even partly damaged from being covered in ice for a 100-year that would add to the illusion of reality imagine if Sokka had stitch patterns throughout his outfit because it's shown that his clothes need to be sewn back together it would be accurate to the source material and have its own unique Flair similar to how they didn't just one-to-one translate Captain America's costume in the movies it looks how it should but it has its own style I personally like the costumes but that's because I already like the way they look in the cartoon but I don't like the fact that it has no unique style to it
I think some people are saying that
It’s cosplay because it doesn’t look worn out or even used. It looks like it was just made.
I'm one of tho people, specifically the ivory doesn't look like old ivory at all. It's just they're too clean and white for them to be believable. Also some others have noted the lack of wrinkles and I totally agree. Hemp, cotton, and silks are all common fibers in China which possess that wrinkly worn quality which I think is an excellent point
This is the main deal.
Aang’s tattoo doesn’t look very real either.. it’s a block of color in the cartoon because cartoon simplify things to convey the main characteristics. But that doesn’t work in a real life adaptation
@@tai-yihuang928 The color of Aang's tattoo is that way because it should be that way. Why would his tattoo be changed because you believe it isn't good looking?
Yes I agree that the clothes look new but cosplaying is such an over exaggeration a “costume” like that would probably be 100s of dollars it looks pretty realistic and didn’t really bother me too much who only watched the show to see how similar the show was visually it was a little weird but eons better whatever the fuck the first movie was, that changed everything to something that was just stereotypically realistic. The Netflix adaptation did a great job on the visuals.
Other than zuko’s scar like I like the red that was missing in the movie but where’s the scar?
They look so clean, like a theatre production
You've clearly never seen a dressing room after like 10 shows lmao. Clean is one of the last adjectives I'd use to describe it.
@@crunchevo8974What he’s saying is that the outfits look brand new and like they’ve never been worn before
@@dav1d9 they probably didn't have the time or budget to spend weathering the clothes. Costume budgets are way toghter than most people think even on big budget productions.
I feel like that's the real issue. they don't need to be muddled just a bit worn.
When people say it looks like “cosplay,” what they mean is “it’s too crisp, clean, and polished to have been lived in, and it’s breaking my immersion as a result.” It has nothing to do with color saturation or accuracy.
In other words, it looks like it was just bought brand new, freshly pressed, and never before worn. That only works when the character in-universe is, in fact, wearing a brand new freshly pressed garment. Otherwise, it screams “costume” instead of “clothes.”
Clothes don’t need to be distressed, filthy, or faded to look lived-in. In fact, they can still look new, vibrant, and clean. But they shouldn’t look freshly pressed and starched-unless the scene calls for that.
There is usually a process in costuming where the wardrobe is (for lack of a better term) “dismantled” to reflect how it would have been worn/lived-in, adding a sense of realism/believability to the world. To save on time, this step is sometimes skipped.
There are moments in the show where the outfits actually look fantastic. This could be because the shots where the outfits look great where filmed later in production, so the actors had time to actually wear the costumes, and the costumers would have had time to make adjustments/improvements.
Furthermore, the longer the costume is worn by an actor, the less stiff the fabric becomes, and the more natural the actor will move in the getup. The audience may not realize that a costume looks “off” due to an actor’s subtle movements, but our subconscious will likely pick up on it.
Hope that explanation helps.
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THIS is the main point
Thank you for saying this! I’ll personally add that I don’t care if the show isn’t accurate to the original (including the costumes), because I just want to be entertained, which I was far from being.
thank you!! also, in most animation, clothes are simplified for ease of drawing, especially in a show like avatar that has scenes with martial arts and elaborate body movements. so in the cartoon, we’re not gonna see normal wear and tear, fading, stitches, fabrics, etc. the costume designers SHOULD go into the details.
Right like the lord of the rings clip had outfits that looked lived in without being dirty
Cope
People really be forgetting this is Asian fantasy and not European, like they have bright colors and sunlight. Chill.
That’s like the worst way of explaining this all fantasy is supposed to be colorful and doesn’t have to be all gray like game of thrones
@@crustycrumpetkaiser6734 You're right that all fantasy should be colorful, but Asian fantasy in particular straight up wouldn't make sense if it were dull. All across the Asian continent you'll see heavy use of bright dyes on clothes, it and spices are the staples of why the Silk Road trade route was so vital. The setting simply wouldn't be the same if it weren't colorful, whereas European fantasy can use the excuse of bright dyes being too expensive for the common folk typically portrayed to buy.
And medieval and renaissance Europe would have been decently colorful too.
@@mycelia_ow you do not get at all what I’m talking about what I said has nothing to do about what your asking
@@CL-lx2pm you’d feel the same way about European fantasy if you weren’t so use to it being dull
Two words: NATURAL. FIBERS.
Katara's clothes look like the fabric weave was printed on 😂
looks like jeggings😂
If you're paying attention to details like that, I think you have far more pressing issues
@ianluk8855 You're missing the point. We're expressing why we disagree with the video. I don't like the clothes used in this adaptation because it looks too cheap. The textiles look too cheap and "inauthentic". It brings me out of the immersion.
@@SoftTangerineDreams and I'm here saying that there are way more important things than "immersion" and the clothes they're using. I'm willing to bet that's just an excuse to complain about something just for the sake of complaining. I mean, the texture of the clothes? That's just about the most pedantic, unnecessarily nitpicky thing you could choose to complain about. And what does inauthentic even mean? This isn't the real world.
@ianluk8855 Some people like to feel that their favorite shows seem authentic to their source material or to reality because they want to be really invested in the show. And that's how some people do it.
It's obviously a staged production and not reality, but, Avatar is one of the more realistic cartoons. And, there are real cultures and clothes it is based on, and, clothes that are used often change over time.
So, yes, it can be inauthentic to how it ought to be shown.
Yue's hair was an actual lacefront human hair wig in Shamalan's, which looks league's better than the new series' Disneyland princess wig. And that was my main issue on the costuming side.
Thissss!!!! I'm so done with all the wigs in movies looking like they came from a dollar store! 😂❤
The penis haircut wasn't much better
I think it’s kinda just surreal seeing them 1/1 identical to the cartoon. That so rarely happens with adaptations that when it does we’re not used to it, which is why it gets compared to cosplay since those are usually more accurate to source material.
Not only that, but there are things that work differently between film and cartoon. Clothes in cartoons always clean because it fit with the animated visual.
But clothe in real-life don't look like that. Seeing something that clean, that new, that get the feeling of this is cosplay stuff and not real clothes that the characters wear every day.
I think it's also because the
show is shot so dark that the costumes look out of place. The cinematograohy is so dark in the night scenes and washed-out and grey during the daytime scenes, the visual contrast is very jarring.
No, the costumes in the new live action suck, not because they’re bright colored and accurate, but because they’re too clean and immaculate. That’s why it feels like plastic. None of the clothes or items have any history shown behind them, any damage. How have these guys been traveling, fighting, and their clothes are sooo clean all the time????? Zuko’s blue spirit mask has the same problem, it just looks so fake.
The clothes in the original can look like that because it’s a cartoon, animation has to simplify character design so that it’s easier to animate. In live action it’s the opposite when it comes to costume design and props. Things have to look real and detailed, you have to think about the history of the item, the context it exists in and it’s connection to the characters. They did none of that in this new series.
@@confusedpozole406 and the white robes of the original are better how?
@@confusedpozole406I mean, first adaptation
one of the MOST important parts of costuming is weathering, when i worked in the props side of costume shop and hell we would get a beautiful costume, gorgeous and what do we do??? we tear seams, bash with rocks, paint, sawdust- the costumes are beautiful but they don't look real, and for film it's very important because you see everything
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the costumes being colorfully and similar to the animation isn't the problem, it's the lack of weathering on them that makes them look like costumes which!!! for the reality of the characters in the show, THEY SHOULDN'T.
I love color, i don't think everything in the world is grey and brown, I am not even against no weathering as a concept because it can make a piece of media feel campy and fun. But that's not what this remake is going for in its tone or lighting, writing. Not to pull a card but i've literally worked in this field and had to LEARN. ITS FINE IF YOU LIKE IT, IM NOT MAD AT YOU PERSONALLY FOR ENJOYING SOMETHING I FEEL from a somewhat professional stance is unfinished and is tied to the lack of respect and control us that workers backstage get now. I have bigger issues with this remake then the costumes, this is genuinely though the aspect i am educated to weigh in on. Dear God please look at this critically.
maybe they choose to make it like that,
its fantasy and its literary an adaptation from a cartoon, the fact that they have the same clothes and they are always clean just gives a cartoonish vibe to the show, very similar to the original animated series, but you obviously want to judge and see everything in a negative way.
No you don't. Have you seen movies? Have you seen both movies? They are literally the same "wornness".
@liver6513 It's a live action adaptation. It's not supposed to look cartoonish. Fucking LotR came out 20+ years ago and looks better.
@@joevile240Who gave you the idea that live action adaptions aren't allowed to emulate cartoons? The director of the live action Lion King?
@@joevile240 people comparing this to lotr just shouldn’t talk at all, two different types of fantasy with different tones, if you really don’t get my point you just want to hate
I read an interview where the passion of the costume designer was sooo well explained. They interviewed and researched a ton of material from different cultures worldwide to make sure the looks and how it works all fit.
100% agree with you. Back in the 2000s people had such a negative attitude toward spandex, tights and capes and would prefer street clothes or all black, which to me was so boring. I despised the X-Men movie costumes or how Thor doesn’t wear his helmet in the movies. I think being elaborate and over the top is great for comics and cinema.
The color isn’t the issue, it’s how “clean” they all look.
Yall complain about anything anyway, if clothes were dirty yall would say they look like fucking beggars or some shit
Yeah. It's not really an issue in animation, but in live action it makes everything look cheap. Like it's a stage play, and not a fucking Netflix show
@@jackalexande you’re forgetting to consider that this is a fantasy world with flying bison, magic fish and a spirit-world connected 12 year old all within a civilization that can harness elemental powers. And your issue is there’s not enough dirt?
I think it's clean enough, if their clothes will be more realistic, they can no longer be distinguishable
@@truehzrecordsyes and it’s crucial
I think the problem is that the Netflix costumes use materials that look synthetic on camera.
Because that exactly what they're going for and people are complaining for the show following the actual source material.
@@FooeyMcgooey In that case, I disagree with the costume direction. Where would Katara get synthetic materials at the south pole? Distracting.
@@FooeyMcgooeyThey’re going for a synthetic look? Why? You can get blue in any type of fabric. Also, it just struck me that somehow the original show has less vibrant blues for Katara and Sokka than Netflix created, so I wonder why people are saying Netflix is following the original costumes. Technically it’s not.
The problem I tend to have is that bright colors that work for a cartoon rarely work IRL. This problem would be solved if they used colors that were a little more muted so they don't come off as garish.
They're just bright colors
Outfit design was PERFECT in the series!
I mean, the issue for me is that they all look so clean and bright relative to the surroundings. In the cartoon, it made sense since the world was colored to be so bright and vibrant, but in live action, it really sticks out. At least Aang's outfit does. It looks like it was literally just made moments before every scene starts. It's SO clean.
Yeah it really sticls out like a sore thumb. Weird he put so much emphasis on color and fantasy lime this show doesn't still try to take away color, and their bright costume looking outfits stand out as out of place.
Its not about too much colors, its about them feeling so fresh out of a boutique
Your Hobbit example showed costumes that were colorful yes, but also felt like they've been worn more than once
They are literally the same. One just have different colors.
@@NoName-mi8js Netflix's avatar clothes are too clean
and in the cartoon were their clothes always dirty ?
@@akirakon9380 in the cartoon their clothes are also quite clean unless they dive into mud or whatever which aang usually clean with air bending.
@@greatninja2590 which makes sense for cartoon. Just like changing the tone to fit live action makes sense. Just like making the clothes look like real clothes that these characters travel in makes sense
I like the fact you showed LOR , it's not about the colours it's how pristine all the clothing looks. So were in LOR they look well weared, in this series it looked like they just bought their clothing and wearing it for the first time
For real, especially with Katara and Sokka. Both of them work constantly in there village; there’s no way their fits should be so spotless
Exactly! This is what I was thinking!
LOR's color helps me remember how it actually looked like in the cinema, helps the emphasis of the illustration of a well-written fantasy.
Another good example is Harry Potter. Their bright clothes on their first year make sense, and their clothes even get dirty and stay dirty. Meanwhile, Netflix ATLA everyone's clothes look great after being hit with water, fire, and earth. Their clothes should be affected by the world around them.
LotR has absolutely phenomenal costuming! It’s, in my opinion, cinematic perfection.
“It looks like cosplay”
HAVE YOU SEEN COSPLAYERS?! That’s literally the best compliment you can give a costume.
Did you know that the Air Nomad’s were mostly based off of Tibetans and a little bit of Chinese culture? In the movie the temples and monasteries were destroyed by the fire nation just like what happened in Tibet by the Chinese(not including all of the Chinese).
I will grant Shyamalan one thing: for inaccurate as it was, Aang's tattoo was dope
Seriously, this doesn't get enough credit. I can't go back to the cartoony "tattoo" after that, not in live action anyway.
@l-I-I__Iool not saying shammy's was bad but if you look at the "cartoony" one from the new one, it's actually pretty intricate.
@@ssjsyriene6350 In close-ups it's pretty intricate, yeah, but it's hard to notice at a distance
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EXACTLY I LOVED 2010 TATTOO IT WAS SO COOL also Yue's wig, she looked beautiful.
You know what’s funny. One of my issues with GoT is that it removes a lot of the color from Martin’s world. Removing the Bolton’s crimson and pink coloring. Loras’s multi colored floral armor or Brienne’s blue armor. It feels like they were trying too hard to make it seem gritty when the material alone in the story does that. They also forget that Royalty and the aristocratic parts of medieval society liked color because it was a status symbol.
Honestly the Bolton change works better. The change to the black from the pink could be explained as them changing the colors after they “stopped” skinning people alive. And makes the inner design stand out more then if it was crimson on pink.
Seasons 1 and 2 live up to the colorfulness of the books but past that they make things darker in retrospect of the progression of the stories and characters. Daenerys is a great example as she goes from silky white dresses to black and silver armour fits
I always had this pet peeve with Tyrells because instead of using rich greens and gold for them, they usually wore blueish-green outfits that looked washed out. Thankfully Alicent's gown in HOTD looked appropiately green.
Truee. One of the many things I liked about HOT D is how they went for a more book accurate approach with the colorful heraldry, especially in the tourney scene.
I won’t even lie the outfit they had for the first one was pure drip it was beautiful
The only thing they got right in the 2010 live action was Princess Yue. Princess Yue in the 2010 live action looked way more like the cartoon character than the Princess Yue in the 2024 live action.
I’m SO glad they made the outfits super colorful! It’s makes it WAY easier to tell the different nations and cities apart if the styles of clothing wasn’t obvious enough!
I think this guy missed the fact they're bad for different reasons. The Netflix adaptation is objectively bad because it got the character designs right but threw away key components of the character developments. And the other was bad because it basically threw away the character designs but got the story correct. Mayne and hear me out excutives can just keep the designs AND the story and people wouldn't complain about it being being bad bc at that point you're being snobby
@apers1013 I think the Netflix Adaptation is pretty good. Like, a solid 7/10. Every character was casted great, and each actor put their all into it. The only massive issue with it was the writing, and by the end of the show it really wasn't worse than the worst of Korra, which is the better show between the originals in my opinion. Zuko and Iroh in particular are wonderful, and the 41st Division thing is really cool. Suki has a genuinely perfect casting, and Sokka's sexism is more internalized which is kinda cool but I wish it was brought out more. The visual effects are wonderful and Zhao's new characterization is fantastic.
For the most part, I completely agree. My only issue with the costuming is the lack of weathering and some of the wigs. Overall, I really appreciate how true to the source it was and the overall quality of the costumes. The kyoshi warriors especially
Yeah, the clothes look like Cosplay because they look so god damned clean and ironed! It's like... Katara and Sokka's clothes look like they've been dry-cleaned and ironed at all times!!
@@Danny-no7jpexactly
Yes this is it for me. Love the costumes but you're telling me this mf was frozen in an ice ball for 100 years and his clothes look like they just got back from the dry cleaners?! Lol not buying it
It didn’t look weathered and beaten in the cartoon either, why would the show do that as well.
@mechupaunhuevon7662 😨 I didnt know.
The problem with the cloths is that they look to clean and it especially shows with the bright colors of the air nomad costume.
With how bright it is it really stands out how pristine it all is which makes it look artificial or like a cosplay since most cosplay doesn’t go for environmental design (cause they’re walking around a convention)
It might also be specifically how the camera picks up the color since even showing LOTR as an example of color in fantasy there’s a distinct difference between that and this.
M. Night's air bender tattoo design is the only positive I can give to it, just make the ink blue. In a non-cartoon setting how ornate it is gives it the look that it is something to be earned in the air nomad culture
The tattoo is genuinely the only part of Shyamalan’s adaptation I enjoyed
The new one is blue but if you looked closer it has a design underneath it. It's not just a blue strip. 🙂
@@vayoha02 the designs are there, but they aren't communicated cleanly because of the whole thing is blue. While yes, you get the "this looks similar to the iconic design but we added to it" the smaller line work just looks really muddy and it'd be better if they did one or the other not both.
I do absolutely love the tattoo on M Night. Like that is the peak of the movie
The thing that really makes it look odd is that the clothes have no wrinkles. We have to remember that they would be washing clothes by hand or using bending and then drying them by wringing and then on a rope, which would leave wrinkles which they cannot remove because they would likely not have irons.
Except they’re benders, i could see Aang doing something to knock the water quickly to avoid wrinkles. Are clothes not wrinkling as they move thru them in the scenes???
@@mermaidtingzzzhe’s a 13 year kid trying to save the world, last thing he’s thinking of are the wrinkles in his clothes. He was also stuck sitting in ice for 100 years, his pants would have creases
@@mermaidtingzzz wrinkles from moving dont look the same as washing wrinkles do. I suppose Aang or Katara could use bending to dry clothes like they do in some episodes when they get wet. Im honestly just trying to rationalize why people think this.
I agree, the clothes look unworn. Especially in that kind of time period/society it's very common to have few outfits that get worn all the time vs. Many rotating outfits. Clothes would have more wear.
fr when the fire nation was attacking the northern water tribe they didnt even have a single scratch. It does look like cosplay, especially since it looks cheap af.
At least the first live action is actually felt like it took place in the real world and not some fantasy world where nothing gets dirty
I actually love the costumes in the live action series, i saw them all and literally thought: omg how did they make them so similar to the animation
I liked how they made the tattoos more intricate but otherwise the second one is so much better
I don't think that color is the problem. The reason why it looks like cosplay is because it looks like a brand new costume. It doesn't look worn in, it's way too clean and bright. The example you showed with The Hobbit at the end is actually really good. It has color but it also looks realistic, like a person has actually worn the clothes.
True. The fibres also look synthetic and overly fine. I don't believe that the people of wolf cove would have access to such after a 100 years long isolationist war.
True it looks like quite thin and brand new, making them say it looks like bought-online cosplay clothing. I really liked the first ones clothing about Katara and Sokka, they had color too! Those looked like something that you actually have for everyday use like how it was intended to
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Even if that’s the case that’s like the least thing to complain about…
Not gonna lie, who cares lol. In the kids tv show, they are wearing brightly colored clothing, so they made brightly colored costumes. The outfits are pristine
The air nomads are generally inspired by Tibetan monks who really do wear bright, brilliant red, orange, and yellow. And on that note, many of the traditional clothing from east, southeast, and south Asia are very colorful and vibrant. It's as if people have never seen a Sari, Kimono, Hanbok, or Qipao!
Those laat three were generally brown or really dull foe most people. The colorful ones were woen by those who could afford it.
@FairyLotusUnicorn most people didn't wear colorful clothing on a day to day basis. You're correct, but even if they had a little money, they would maybe own 1 colorful set for special events or ceremonies. And considering we see the air nomads as a collective during a large festival, it's possible their clothing was uniquely bright for the occasion.
They where based on sholin monks
And the water tribe was based off Inuit people (North America) so... what's your point? That they got both wrong when casting?
The first live action avatar looks like a young Zaheer
Coming in to hear a man’s voice caught me off guard
The problem is that the clothes don't look "Lived in"
I also thought the same thing!
I agree they look stiff like they just came from the factory
So exactly the same as in the source material where they’re pristine outside of fight scenes
@@obvv7714 Cartoons and other styles of animation actually don't suffer from the problem at all. It's not part of the medium.
The closes you get to a 1:1 comparison would be unrealistic physics or lighting simulations in 3d models.
@@obvv7714animation, film, and stage are all different mediums you have to change. A stage costume needs to big HUGE and bright and distinct, for 2d animation it way to costly to animate clothing being weathered without a reason plus it will only bug up the screen with unnecessary detail, and for film you want realism or you will feel disconnected from the scene, you will feel like you are watching actors people in costumes
the colors aren't the problem, it's how clean and smooth they look
It looks like their clothing is straight out of the packaging versus clothes they’ve worn across months (maybe even years). It’s stiff.
They’re still way better than the movie we all want to forget
@@lilricebowl9731 Idk, I feel like something in between would be perfect
They looked like that in the show my G especially first season 😂give em time to cook man.
@@lilricebowl9731 Yeah, but the non existant movie was so bad you can say almost any piece of media was good compared to it
The one thing I’ll say I did actually like in the movie is the airbender tattoos form an arrow and aren’t actually just an arrow, that’s one thing I feel like live actions are ok to do, expand on a design add details to make an animated character who has a more simple design look more in depth
I have no problem with color , but the color is looks so freshly dyed on everyone. That’s what makes it look like a costume, because there’s nothing slightly wrinkled , no fading on knees , etc, and nothing worn on the fabric AT ALL
It’s not the colour, that makes it look like cosplay, it’s how new and stiff the costumes look, like they just came out of the bag.
Still better than the fort live action suits
@@pollo8414that doesn't change anything, an improvement over a turd isn't a standard to live by
Relax ffs. It's called acting, fantasy, show, and most important of all, cuz in the end, it's just COSPLAY. It looks so much better
@@kai0tfoool ok? So the really bright colors on a very drab world makes sense to you? Whatever you say
@@umokwhy2830IT DOESN'T HAVE TO MAKE SENSE
ITS A BOY WHO WAS ABLE TO LIVE IN AN ICEBERG FOR A 100 YEARS
AND HAD COOL POWERS TO CONTROL ELEMNTS AND HAS A BISON THAT CAN FLY
F L I G H T
ITS AT LEAST A TON (2000 POUNDS)
Fantasy is fantasy because it's not real, something that is dreamed out of people's minds
Edit: it's also supposed to be a kids show so they can't have everything be drab and boring, brighter colors are usually thought of for things that are good.
maybe they are really good at washing their clothes
Maybe they have a really good type of dye
Since dyes were founded in the real world people has used them to create bright pieces of clothing
Fashion is very different in the avatar world
so YES it can make sense and it does, you can't just say something doesn't make sense because "oH I dOnT LiKe BrIgHt cOlors BecAuSe thEYre LIveS aRe sUpPoSeD tO bE sAd😭😭😭😭😭"
Sorry for the rent I just really hate your comment
As others have pointed out, it’s not the design of the outfits, it’s the quality. The fabric looks costume grade, which is worsened by the cleanness and lack of any wear. It doesn’t look like the clothes the character actually wear, it looks like they grabbed them out of a costume bin.
Fair
I was going to say something similar.
But more along the lines of
Adaptations aren't made better or worse when the clothes are 1:1 recreations.
It truly depends on the costume. And considering the costume, the storys setting, and the character. It may be a better choice to make a new outfit for a character that still fits the themes of that character and the story.
Especially if the costume truly only works in animation it makes sense to change it.
This is a problem Netflix has been having with like all their productions. It works in something like Bridgerton or One Piece but for everything else it looks like a stage play.
(Correction) I agree, in the live action with the bright colors the clothes looks fake and cheap
This. I think a little wear and dirt goes a long way to show that characters have come a long way.
Bro looks like “ladies and gentlemen” phrase💀
I could not agree with you more.i am so happy they got the go ahead for season 2 and 3 .i actually felt like i was watching a live version of the cartoon.
Extra bonus the series made my husband want to watch the cartoon 😊
Main problem is the Southern water tribe. The prints are 100% cheap Spirit Halloween quality decals. Katara has the nice necklace, yes, but the material of her outfit doesn't look weather appropriate at all. It looks like polyester. The issue isn't that it has color. The issue is that it looks like it was ordered off Shein.
While the fabrics and especially the lack of thickness of the "furs" to make them look like real ones was lacking, as was weathering etc, I'd be careful commenting on the prints. To me they look a lot like they were inspired by the indigenous Hokkaido Ainu people's clothing, which look a LOT like that.
I wouldn’t say cheap but maybe not as weather appropriate as it could be! Like they just have on the wrong coats for the temp. They probably just needed to add more volume to the coats to look more insulating bc the aesthetic is down pat.
its not the pattern shape i'm talking about, those "prints" wouldnt be printed on cricket paper and ironed on. they'd be stained/beaded/stitched with the skill of indigenous artists. Just because they were inspired by real culture doesnt mean it cant be a cheap and lackluster representation. Which BTW i saw some pics of Northern Water tribe (i hadn't gotten to look at yet) & i found SEVERAL beaded and embroidered examples. So specifically katara was given this cheap cosplay print. And again I am not talking about the content of the pattern, im talking about the material used in the costuming department. @@iwillcontactattorneygenera1078
The northern water tribe is much better minus Yue. Beaded earrings and stitched patterns everywhere@@mermaidtingzzz
Ommmg, you guys need to get a life
I don't think it's the colours that are throwing people off. It's how the clothes look like they're brand new from a costume shop. No stains, frayed holes, or even dirt. I'm always expecting to see a price tag still attached somewhere.
absolutely
Yeah that's all I could see when I watched it. The scene where they captured Iroh and they're walking through the mud and everyone looks spotless is just insane.
@@gregspecht3706or the fact that they were in Omashu and the area where it’s supposed to be a marketplace looks pristine like its a stage play. It’s a damn marketplace, it’s supposed to look dirty and busy.
Y'all lame. Did you enjoy the damn show
Yeah but the cartoon also always looked clean minus the couple times where in battle part of the clothes got burnt
The fact when he asked “where’s her mother’s necklace?” Hit me different tells me i got too much time on my hands.
"where's your mother's necklace?" Lost my sht
I think that the problem is more that they don't look worn. They look like pristine costumes rather than everyday clothes (no dirt, no rips, perfectly pressed)
I've worn the same shirt for four days and haven't washed it yet, and there's very little debris on it. They wash their clothes frequently, so how is it not likely that their clothes would be clean?
@@darkenergy9760 not necessarily clean. Just look worn. Colours fade with repeated washing. A t-shirt btw is not the same as those warm coats that they wear in the South Pole
@@darkenergy9760IDK. I think if you lived in the South Pole, your clothes wouldn’t look as nice as Sokka & Katara’s
@TheJadedJames I live in the Midwest. It's basically the same thing during the winter, lol. There was a huge blizzard and it got -25⁰f not too long ago.
@TheJadedJames You guys are just being nitpicky to an annoying extent. The show isn't good but at least criticize it for the things that actually make it bad. The clothes are the least of everyone's concerns you're just looking for something else to complain about. 😂
Okay, but a bit of weathering would have been nice
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That's a fair point. It kind of reminds me of live action c-drama fantasy.
There was weathering in the show though
Yeah the fabric looked straight off the roll from the costume designer’s workshop lol. And I can’t see suede being practical or at least in that good of a condition in the southern water tribe. But I love how similar the designs look to the cartoons!
we are never satisfied smh
It's not only about the bright color. It's about the feel of the texture, the ruggedness (lack of).
The Netflix show brought back so many memories it was exactly like the animated. It awesome can’t wait for more seasons
It's not worn in or weathered, that's the problem. The furs are clearly synthetic and the trims are clearly machine embroidered. I am studying costume design and I work in a costume shop currently.
Take for example, the blue cap in Monsters University. When Mike Wazowski got that cap, you can clearly see one part of the brim is split open and there are some stains on it. The next scene showing Mike got older, it is easy to tell he is still wearing the same cap because it has the same split open brim and stain spots on it, but the colors are faded and more worn-out. These features not only gave the cap an identity but also told us how much it meant to Mike. The split open brim shows it constantly got put on and took off by the same side of the hand, the stains indicate the cap had been worn at many places, and even as it looked old Mike still wouldn't replace it because this is what he cherished the most. The cap inspired Mike to pursue his dream job and is a great reminder to never give up his goal, like a lucky charm he wore the cap through thick and thin until it completely got destroyed, symbolizing he needs to move on.
Since The Last Airbender is set in ancient times, and the Air Nomads use bisons as transportations while they are able to control air, their clothes should have some bison hair, dust, or maybe leaves stick on it, the fabric of their clothes should also look torn if they are constantly having wind surrounding them. Same goes to the Fire People. Since fire is their main weapon, their clothes should have some parts burnt or covered in soot. Clothes can only stay brand new as being used for display, but regular clothes can't, there has to have some marks left as time moves on, and if an animated movie can give a cap so much meaning just by how it looks, it makes the Netflix show seem empty by comparison.
Yes this is exactly what I thought! Plus the armour looks a lot like foam, especially the helmets and headgear. Is it a decent representation of the cartoon outfits? Yeah. Could it have been done way better? Absolutely
This is just nitpicking at this point
yeahhh i stopped watching after the first episode cause as much as the story was almost 1:1 (with the added stuff in the beginning but otherwise true to the show) it was clearly all shot on stage with green screens. which i have no problem with but they didn’t take the time to sell the environment (as you mentioned with the pristine looking clothes all the time) there was just no sense of place in the show. sure the sets look good on green screen and the special effects were great, but the characters/actors obviously and very clearly aren’t rooted in the world.
did the animated show ever show them looking rugged in season one?
As a costume designer, i wanna share how important it is to age garments. They look fresh out of a costume shop because they show no sign of wear and tear that you’ll get from actually living in them. I noticed the seams of sokkas coat has shading along it but it looked sprayed on with air brush and unrealistic. Clothes are worn, stretched, they fray, bleach from the sun, stain and you sweat in them etc. it’s not about the colours, it’s the textures. Although the first movie aang robe doesn’t look like the animation, it looks realistic and it very well done
You wanna talk about realism on show about bending nature elements with sheer willpower? Lol
@erwinamanciosilva7693 Such an ignorant take, a show doesn't need to be based on real life for it to NEED a sense of it being played in our world. We expect humanity from our characters, part of it is in the customes they wear. It's called atmosphere and ambiance.
@@erwinamanciosilva7693 if they don't want to bring an extra layer of realism, or shall we say human-ness, to the show, what exactly is the point of making it live action? The whole point is to be different than the anime in some way.
I get what you're saying, but counterpoint I've had clothes that I stopped wearing only because they didn't fit me after plenty of years of school. They practically looked the same outside of some that had holes that had nothing to do with wear and tear, just had accidents from time to time.
i agree completely. i knew something felt off about the clothes, not cause they weren’t accurate to the cartoon, but because they looked as if you just unpackaged them from spirit halloween
I haven’t caught up fully on Avatar but as a person who has done theater, has experience with costume designing, and just a huge nerd. Yes. I fully agree with you🤝
I will admit that I do like the much more stylized arrow tats over the solid block ones.
If you didn't know, the Netflix one still have detailing in the arrow, you just have to look closer
Exactly. People hate because it’s trendy to hate. Nobody has a mind of their own anymore.
i like the costumes they just don't look like they've been worn in and just look brand new
The first movie did have slightly better costumes because the clothes look weathered and lived in. While the Netflix remake looks almost identical to the show they look like they came right of the line. That's why people say it looks like cosplay because it looks so pristine and new, like how most cosplay looks
The movie's costumes don't look weathered at all, though; they just look a little dingy because they used less saturated dyes and cool color grading. I guess the dingyness sort of resembles the white t-shirt turning gray with age look, but that's specifically the result of modern soap additives. Pre-1950s, light fabrics would yellow over time and realistic visible wear would look like visible repairs and alterations, ex patches, embroidery, and gussets and trim in slightly mismatched fabrics.
Not at all, they just look less colorful. Have you seen any asian country's ancient clothes?
so, it can't be right, and it can't be wrong either?
Basically, just stop any movie adaptation all together?
Wow there are genuinely people who think the movie did the costumes better 😂
Bros coping so hard
To be honest, the first live action was more “realistic” like if it was real life, but real avatar fans don’t care. And the second live action was closer to what the fans wanted, they just randomly cut out important parts of the show people liked, so both aren’t the best but they tried. (Some would argue they didn’t try and they wouldn’t be completely wrong😂)
I started watching this with my phone muted and thought "hey, a girl" then I heard his voice 😂
*feminine men go brrr*
My complaint is the wigs!! Girl why are they shake and go quality
This is what I told my gf. Yue looked like she had a whole helmet on her head. It kept throwing me off whenever she would be on screen and made her journey more of a comedy than a tragedy.
If u have issues with it
Make yours then
You all sit on your couch all day and complain
People don't have to be able to do better to give criticism. Movie critics don't make movies they just critique them.@@Mazoncodm
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@@Mazoncodm I have to agree the wigs are bad quality
With how clean the costumes look it makes it hard to believe that these people be fighting, specially against fire benders
yeah you mean those people who never fighting the firebenders like aang and sokka and katara untill some episodes later ?
I'm just grateful to see more colorful outfits. So many live action adaptations are so dark and dull, they're just not fun to look at.
I only saw a little bit of the first live action when I was very young and I haven’t seen the new one but I have to agree, the costume design for the first one was a bit better. I don’t like it when people try to make live action characters look like cartoons
My problem with it is that they don’t look “real” they look too clean, to many flat colors for me it’s better then the first live action but they should have had a little bit of dirt or something on the clothes
They do literally look more like costumes than real worn clothing, the fact that they “look like the cartoon” doesn’t make that any less present
Exactly, it’s a big problem for some war movies, the clothes look out of a random costume bin and not being worn regularly by a traveling group of hardworking people
I genuinely love some of the costuming in this show, but I feel like there's definitely an issue with the lack of wear-and-tear and "dirt" on the clothes. Looking a little too pristine at times. I'd love it if they looked a bit more lived in.
Yes, this was what's bugging me about the costumes. Katara and Sokka's, even Aang's clothes should have a bit more wear and fading. OTOH, I was expecting Bumi's clothes to have been more lavish on account of being the king.
The designs themselves were quite good.
Have you forgotten that They have an Airbender and a waterbender in the group to wash their clothes?
It's not the color issue, it's the fact the clothes look brand new when the characters have been fighting, sweating and travelling in them for weeks (the best washing they could possibly get would be river washing. They should've prepped the clothes better, ran them over a few times, washed by hand with cold water, etc
This. They look shiny, cheap, and fresh out of a spirit halloween packet. Just because this guy doesn't have the knowledge or words to explain why it's ugly doesn't mean it's not ugly😂
Honestly I just like what they did with Aang's arrow. The swirly designs look cool
I saw a RUclipsr make a point that really helped it make sense. It’s not the costumes themselves. They’re great. It’s that they’re too pristine. It works in a cartoon but irl clothing has stains and creases and fading especially when characters are active as these ones would be. Having it all look so perfect produces an ironic uncanny effect that gives that “cosplay” feeling.
A lot of it looks starched.
Bro the reason it looks like cosplay isn’t the costumes themselves it’s that they look entirely clean and unworn and takes away a certain level of realism, this is something the one piece live action did really well making the characters world feel realistic and lived in
Exactly what I was going to say. I take Harry Potter as an example, where the uniforms were made just for the movies, but treated just as they would with normal clothing and even gave the actor the permission to wear them wherever they wanted, like they were real students. That is what make the difference between an actor wearing a custome and a character. I invite everyone to watch any movie and pay close attention to outfits, do they look like cosplay or clothing used on that world?
No it wasn't realistic it was just pretty on the surface and that's about it. The Netflix adaptation was so much better
Yes, thank you this is exactly what bothered me! Love the color. Just need to actually believe they been fighting and flying around the world in those outfits. Need it to feel worn in, not brand new out of package look.
Also don’t get me started on their fur coats. Lookin like they bought that off at the local costume shop 😭
They weren't worn looking in the cartoon either and NOONE had a problem with that.
I can’t wrap my head around people not being able to see past the clothes looking “too new”. I thought this was a fabulous adaptation, they nailed the characters and the settings so well that I didn’t even notice the costumes. To each their own 🤷♀️
Only thing I would compliment about the Shamalan version is that I kinda like what they did with Aang's arrow. I liked the intricate design
We aren't arguing that, we argue that the clothes in the first episode look squeaky clean, and they are supposed to be worn for YEARS It should look used, that's why we say it looks like cosplay 😂 same thing with Yue's wig, it looks like a wig, so when she says "my hair turned white" you cant take it seriously cuz it looks fake ❤. I'm sure they will improve in these little details next season❤
its fantasy and its literary an adaptation from a cartoon, the fact that they have the same clothes and they are always clean just gives a cartoonish vibe to the show, very similar to the original animated series, if you don't like it thats fine, but its your opinion, not a fact (Yue's wig was actually trash, you are right about that)
Both looks "squeaky clean", as does every clothes in movies.
@@liver6513 Yue's wig and the actress of Yue on that movie that should not be named was the only good thing about it.
@@liver6513 I mean, they said they wanted to appeal to game of thrones fans, and be more mature, I doubt his take was being cartoonish, but yeah it's an opinion, and the costumes get better when they leave water tribes, I had the most trouble with Katara's and Sokka's coat, but yeah I'm being a bit too argumental.
@@liver6513 I don't understand the claim for "cartoonish". Look to the very well liked One Piece adaptation for reference, no one's complaining about the production design and product on that. If they were going for cartoonish, they wouldn't have skipped out on things like everyone's eyes reflecting their nation and element, the rest of the hair like Katara's, Zuko's scar which is barely a port wine stain, the colour grading, making the elements ultra "realistic" and claiming to be aiming for "Game of Thrones". The show isn't terrible, but it isn't what was expected. You only need to look as far as the original showrunners leaving the production, the difference between the outstanding concept art from 5 years ago versus now, and the fact that most of the teams (most obviously hair and makeup, costuming for things like weathering clothes and puffing out things like furs to look better, likely writers given how often the dialogue feels like a draft version and likely actors as well) were pretty clearly forced to work under way too tight a schedule and had to cut corners.
The problem is it misses details the look like costumes not clothes they wear everyday. It misses those small details and because it looks brand new it looks like cosplay
You're talking about costumes
We're talkiing about how are they going for the original source material with the storylines, characters, atmosphere, AND clothing...
Which one are you talking about?
@@FooeyMcgooeycostumes, he's talking about how awful the costumes look because everything looks like it was just ripped out of a plastic bag 5 minutes ago. This is a fantasy world where all the costumes look fresh from a Halloween store, supposedly set in an era where most people would wear the same sets of clothes for their entire adulthood. They're so unbelievably clean it genuinely ruins any immersion I have for this setting
@drpepperman2765 All I saw was the cartoon turned into real life and I can deal with the rest. I'm not picky because the movie set the bar so high at the time and ruined that nostalgic feeling for me until the live series came out.
@@FooeyMcgooey even if it's better than the movie, it's still a weaker version of the animated show where they have every character explain who they are and what they're feeling instead of showing us all that info in an interesting way (like in the original).
Like genuinely, what did we gain from this live action show that wasn't in the animated version? Is anything better in the live action show that makes it worth watching over the original? Genuinely asking cause I saw nothing that even came close to the quality of the original show, and at that point I've really got to question why even bother adapting the show to live action in the first place? It's already a cultural icon and a classic beloved by everyone who grew up with it, everyone already knows what it is and appreciates the animated show as an undisputed masterpiece, so what is there to gain from a live action show?
I'd rather see an Earthbender Avatar series, I'd rather see the adult Gaang movie that's supposed to come out next year. Instead of trying to recreate the original series and recapture lightning in a bottle, they should expand the series and explore new ideas and storylines within this vast universe. I'm not opposed to an Avatar series being live action, but remaking The Last Airbender is a pointless endeavor that's only gonna produce a weaker end product than the original.
Genuinely, why waste time and money telling a story that was already told perfectly? Give me something new and interesting within this universe instead, expand it out and give us more stories instead of more of the same
@@drpepperman2765right!! It’s so ASS. I’d have preferred if they just don’t make it. I had very high hopes and tried to push through even after the bs first episode but it was utter crap. They ruined the trio’s relationship from the get-go. Screwed over Iroh’s character, damn I could write a thesis over everything they did wrong in this season, that would mess up the storyline for the next two. It’s just ass and I wish I could erase it from my mind. “You, you’re not just a regular Airbender” 💀🤦🏽♀️
It's not about the bright colors. It's about how clean & unspoiled & perfect their everyday clothes are, plus the overwhelming CGI everywhere.
Honestly I was so impressed with the new Netflix adaptation and was thrilled that they made it so well!
the first adaptation looks like a psych ward escapee 💀
Go watch the movie and come back here
@@FooeyMcgooeyIt still does? Plus Ang never wore that outfit in the series
@@FooeyMcgooey i have and my answer has yet to change, and to be clear i’m talking about the M Knight Shamaylan adaptation
@SyEED. Okay, I understand and I am with you now.
The movie just ruined the experience for all of us because the bar was VERY high. Meanwhile, people don't understand the difference between an anime live action and cartoon live action.
One Piece is an anime. Scooby Doo, just like ATLA, is a cartoon..... think about it for a moment.
@@FooeyMcgooey i’m lost, how is that relevant. i just think they did bad costume design
I totally get you and I agree! I believe that one of the problems is, that the costumes are so clean... which is what makes them look like cosplays. There's no dirt, it doesn't look like they've lived life in them. It's too perfect. Where lotr is doing a phenomenal job at that, which might have helped here to make it look more believable
Problem is your problem isn't objective and is just your opinion.
its fantasy and its literary an adaptation from a cartoon, the fact that they have the same clothes and they are always clean just gives a cartoonish vibe to the show, very similar to the original animated series, if you think thats a negative aspect then its your opinion, not a fact.
where do you find dirt in the south pole to make your outfit look lived in?
@@liver6513 That's totally just my opinion, no question in that. I just think that in Lord of the Rings the costumes look more real, which is also a phantasy adaptation. And I'm really happy they kept the same costumes as in the cartoon. But that they only got a bit dirty, when they fought super hard fights I found a bit strange
@@Prince-Darwin I was thinking of something like water stains. My friend, who studied costume design, said the same thing. Some of the animal skins would never look like that, if they'd been in a humid environment for years.
EXACTLY! Someone said it! People always say Iroh was a horrible person in the live action because he didn’t apologise after being brutally tortured 😅 let’s not lie to ourselves Iroh wasn’t that 2D in the show he had depth and knew when someone didn’t deserve is breath.
Honestly one of my first thoughts on the Netflix live action Avatar was how awesome the costume design was. I especially love Katara's.
It's not about the color it's about how pristine their clothes are especially aing ales Myers video says it perfectly
Yeah, they're adventuring and stuff, their clothes are going to be weathered
Nothing pleases you, does it? They can bend water and air to clean clothes and dry them.
@@kai0tfoool lmao why does this make you so mad
@@kai0tfoool you want to take it to that level okay there's is thing it's called a stain and normal water won't get it out of your clothes so unless their mixing bleach with it there clothes wouldn't be that clean and one of them much such a good seamstress that they can sow a piece of clothing so good it looks brand new and fire don't even get me started with fire so your telling me with all the encounters they have with people that can bend fire none of their clothes have gotten the littlest bent burnt. Like it's not a big deal and it's definitely not just this franchise that has this problem it's a big thing lots of directors overlook whether it be an animated TV show or a normal one
@@CL4PTRAPS_SQUIREin the animated series did their clothes ever look dirty or tattered at all? No they didn’t so why would they choose to make the clothes worn down in the live action?
The issue that the costumes in the new one look too clean and pristine. The water tribe in the South are struggling just to eat, you'd think their clothes would be tattered and patchy to reflect that
Realism vs. staying close af to the cartoon. I don't mind either.
But they're not in the live action Netflix adaptation? They made it so young me and old men are left in the tribe enough that they've utilized the landscape to help keep the tribe alive..
WHICH IS INSANELY BRILLIANT DETAILING. It makes sense for them to not looked starved because they're not.
That and FPS I'm sick and tired of everything needing to look grimy or something. It's like people thinking Africa is only impoverished without looking at the striving economical cities it also has or that not every rural village looks devastated.
So why weren't they in the cartoon?
Really they'd be faded af just from the soot from fires and hardly washing because of the temperature.
@@otrikasthey actually didn’t stay as close as possible to the cartoon story wise so what you said was ironic 😂
You've just said what I've been thinking about all these nit pics of everything over the years!
Costumes and sets were PHENOMENAL. And even though I think it’s not great, I can tell they actually LIKED the source material and they tried
The way how you used the funeral scene from GOT and say they have no color 😭😂💀
Bro showed a picture of full of Unsullied soldiers. Context matters 😭
They also greyed out the scene. This person is a joke😂. I remember Dany's coat being white as snow
Well, compared to the books, it doesn't. I'm all for the Rainbow Guard in live action.
@@joaomotta513 The books had so much fashion to the point it's actually used to symbolize and further plots. Where is Cersei's Targaryen colored dress after Robert died? Mance's black with red silk cloak? Theon going from gold satins and black velvet to plain tunics before and after visiting the Iron Islands.
The clothes in the show were decent but nowhere near the pageantry of the books.
The reason people say it looks like cosplay is because the outfits look way to clean for the conditions they live in. There are no stains, dirt, burn marks, ripped parts or anything.
I want this world to feel beautiful and alive. I don't want characters to look like hobos
@@almas4663if you think a little wear on your costuming for a show ruins the colors
Idk what to tell you. Plenty of other colorful shows do it and they look just as colorful. It can be exactly as bright, just run a brush over it to rough your the texture a bit and make
It look like it’s been worn hundreds of times day after day. Some mud stains on the bottoms of pants. Something.
@@Birchlead The textures are already rough and believable, I don't want them to tear this masterpiece apart just cause some critics on the internet can't suspend their disbelief, and demand for actors to look like hobos in patched, desaturated clothing.
Got plenty of that in the movie that should not be named, thank you very much.
Why no one critisizes, I dunno, Star Wars this way?
"Wellth akfually, the jedi cloths are thou prestine! Ith unrealithic!" 🤓
@@almas4663so then you don’t want believable live action then. You want a mix of nostalgia and real people cosplaying to achieve that thrill for you. When kotara hits herself with water but is completely dry 2seconds later with no dampness or even wet hair you take me out of it. That’s not how water works. And your willingness to accept such a thing is fine but it comes at the price of realizing this show will never get technical awards. Costuming? Is trash and over polished especially in terms of the world building. It copies the original looks fantastically but lacks all functionality as real clothing these characters would wear. CGI? Is great overall but there are too many easily fixed spots of pure laziness where they drop the ball not thinking the audience will notice(ie the water and fire not having real world effects) dialogue? Absolutely abysmal, and lifted of a Cracker Jack box. It’s so lifeless and paper thin there’s nothing realistic in the manner most characters speak and carry themselves. It’s cosplay dialogue. It’s dialogue performed in a middle school play because the young actors don’t have the emotional chops for a play that’s well over 100 yrs old. It’s empathetic support that makes you clap when you’ve seen it performed by better equipped actors who did miles better. Aangs actor is alright but garbage. We want to coddle him because he’s a real kid and all that but the reality is that he can’t act good enough for a role like this. Those small details are important. Store bought cinnamon rolls are great but they’ll never be the same as Cinnabon brand fresh out the oven and their store. The live action is fine as a knockoff but no where near as good as the original anime. Nor is it great on its own merit as the only people watching it watched the original content. Everyone else has basically stopped watching already.
@@vikkidonn You remind me of two different types of gamers...
One wants a realistic game with an immersive world and fun, thrilling gameplay...And another wants "realism" so your character has to eat, sleep, piss....
Realism isn't good, especially for fantasy
sokka and katara not having blue eyes throws me off so much
Holy shit you're right. That's like. Actually a big deal. They could have used contacts!
Man naw it would have looked creepy in real life 😂
People are saying the first adaptation's costumes ar better cause they look like actual clothes that are worn in. The netlfix show might be more accurate color and shape wise but the squeeky clean nature of the costumes makes everything look like a theater production and that issue extends into almost every aspect of the productuon design imo
You showed a picture from Lord of The Rings where the clothing of the characters LITERALLY LOSE THEIR COLOUR AND GET HOLES AND TEARS AS TIME GOES ON.
Most asian clothing does have vibrant and stiff fabric despite how often you use it. The only example I can give is the barong and saya from the Philippines. In which the material used is a little thicker for modesty and also to avoid wrinkles after laundry
this is an oversimplification, what is "most asian clothing"? what is "stiff" fabric? heavy silk brocade? cotton tulle? starched linen? costumes should be appropriate for the character wearing them. stiff pristine and brightly coloured clothing makes sense for characters who can afford those things, like kings, government officials and noble class people. travellers, villagers, people sleeping out in the open most nights, people who exercise and get into trouble everyday, fugitives and refugees would have clothes which have worn with time. common people wouldn't have access to vibrant dyes or use for stiff clothing when they have work to do.
butt they don’t look cartoonish. Please stop lumping all asians together. We don’t use cheap synthetic materials in the indian subcontinent despite having colorful clothes
@@pb7199he told you an actual fact and you're complaining.
You're complaining when people are crying ove costumes that look exactly like the cartoon through and through and you're complaining.
You're complaining.
@@MoMo-rx4zr...... that's the point on why they're following the cartoon instead of real life like the movie and look how that turned out.
I like that they made the second live action look like the original thay stayed true to where they started
I personally dont have a problem with the outfits from either but i definitely prefer the new outfits for it
I like how water is dry in the live action Netflix show 😂 character gets splashed and there dry as a bone.
LMAO i had to go back and rewatch
Yes! When katara accidentally splashes herself, she didn’t have a lick of water on her. I was like “come on people!” Lol
I’m just impressed that they found someone irl that looks exactly like Aang twice.
Truly, it is pretty amazing. While the movie wasn’t the best, the actors they chose definitely looked their parts at least.
I mean...it's not that hard? Find kid with round head, shave it.
@@IzzySarru
no XD
@@IzzySarru😂
@@IzzySarru I agree 😂
It’s definitely not the color, the one to one match of the show does look amazing! The problem comes with the fact that the costumes do not have the wrinkles, the color is not worn out anywhere, there is no feeling to them. It looks like they were just freshly sewn, ironed, and spritzed with fabric softer. Of course, I love the new show, and have very high hopes! I have no problems with it so far, but this is merely a detail people would have appreciated!
Dude you just reminded me of the first live-action, I had totally forgotten it :( now I have to start over
I don’t think we should get rid of the color or change the design, because over all it looks amazing, but I think that it would feel more like the clothes were actually worn on a regular basis if they added things like small frays or dirt tinge
These clothes are being worn almost every day, especially in the case of the water tribes who don’t have constant access to new materials
Just water doesn’t do much against time
I don’t think they necessarily look like cosplayers, but it looks like everyone just got a brand new outfit straight from the dry cleaners
The One Piece live action is a PERFECT use of color in a live action show. The original show is just so bright and colorful and all the sets and costumes that were used for the live action were PHENOMENAL. It was able to be in your face colorful but not awkward and it was WONDERFUL
One piece is trash for its neverending story with the same template arc repeated over and over again
That is the best anime live action I have seen. One Piece was a classic so glad we're getting a second season.
Seems like someone who didn't watched one piece XD@@Yus-ow3xc
The series is one of the best live action adaptations I've seen
Costume design and recognizable outfits are part of the reason the original avatar did so well. The characters stood out.
The argument is because the costumes looks like it was ironed and cleaned before shooting. Little bit dirty and ruggedness could make it looked more "alive".
Realistically they would still wash their clothes regularly. The movie is a condensed version of a story line that spans several months so it’s not like they just wake up and throw on the same clothes before each battle. They most likely would wash their clothes every few days or so