I don't know of a single control player that likes discard decks. I think it might be something to do with having someone attacking their counterspells before they can be cast.
@@chasm9557 Nah. Control players are value players. And nothing makes you sadder than losing all of your cool cards which give you even more cool cards. And discard decks are pretty bad typically. So when you lose to one, it makes you question your own skill as a player.
@@chasm9557nah control normally farms discard decks bc if u mulligan and keep some draw spells,they bandit's talent will never trigger, and mono-discard run a lot of destroy creature spells which are all dead cards versus controls. When u successfully gets to turn 4 with at least 1 draw spells, their only win-con is to place virtue and hope u run out of counters or get lost, bc discard trades cards 1 to 1 so most of time u both run out of cards fast, but if u get draw spells, they are the only one running out of resources
Been playing this with a much more aggressive curve with Faerie Dreamthief and then Rankles Prank as curve topper. Lots of graveyard stuff you can do later then and if you get your hand empty that quick, using Prank for all modes had been winning games as crazy 4 for 1
Honestly I miss the RDW/Boros Convoke meta. Discard is so frickin miserable when its this back to back. Once or twice fine, but when obstinate baloth is actually a viable main deck creature in Bo1 its a problem.
They both have miserable play patterns, which are essentially a gamble, they bet you don't have answers, they bet you can't replenish your hand, they just keep pushing and play what ever they have, then hope you do nothing while they have all the fun. BTW, mill is the same miserable thing.
@@chienlinchen8877 mill is not, cause it doesn't disrupt your hands. try to think of the deck as your health, they just try to beat down your 50 health and end the game.
I hate discard decks as well. So I made one. Its bit different than this, I focused on some different areas. So there is a bit more drain than this. Originally I came up with something very close to this after losing to it. The talent cards are so busted.... I would def be interested to share it with you. I find it makes it more fun, but also worse. So much worse. Still loving the Abzan deck you posted a while ago. No, no one gets to play magic cards but me lol Love that you covered this my dude!!
I remember people calling hostile investigator waste of a mythic slot and a draft bulk card. I don't understand why a 3for1 with a body that can actually kill you is considered bad by anyone. And it even has random upside for looting/liliana + extra discards
Hold on, blue white control players are the light side? Na they dwell with mono red players in the deepest circles of hell, arguably even deeper that the latter due to the amount of your time they waste regardless of the outcome
@@hmvollbanane1259 While some of that might be true; at the very least it takes nuance to play u/w control with any effectiveness. The same can't be said for the latter.
I don't have the wildcards to play most of what's new, so I've been falling back on old favorites like phyrexian obliterator, phyrexian fleshgorger, and Sheoldred the Apocalypse combined with some of the current discard tech and it has been doing horrible despicable things to all these aggro players out here at the moment.
I was making a monoblack discard deck cause I'm tired of being faceroled by them. And then CGB drops this vid I really think that it's better to take the Crueclaws Heist instead of the Ruthless negotiation. Who needs a 5 mana flashback in this fast format
You're both wrong, there's no time for 2 mana 1 card discards. Duress and the fires of steel and oil card are so much better than the garbage he's running. Seeing your opponents entire hand then selecting the card you don't have a good answer to is infinitely better than giving your opponent a choice discard with a 3 mana scry 2 or a 5 mana card draw. It's not even close and it shows how little time he spends making these videos or playing these decks. Also where is skitter? 3 mana win con that deals with graveyards? 0% chance the 4th copy of Lilli or alcazotz is better than your 1st and second skitter, if for no other reason then the fact that they're legends and you never want 2-3 in hand anyway. "The one is best of one" is "the one who's hard stuck in platinum"
@@jakelink1482i disagree with the scry 2 option on the enchantment being useless. Its come in clutch a few times. But yeah most his card selections are @$$.
This is an odd take away from this video but I really really like bandits talent design - I mean I see how rack like effects are inherently sort of toxic but I feel like bandits talent is a really good way to approach it. Discard a card but you can’t just throw away a land (discard 2+ or forced to discard your good card while you’ve got a land to pitch always feels bad, but then when you are the one playing discard it feels bad when they can just dump a land). The damage bandits talent does is more restrictive and wont win for 10 turns unless you’ve put in some work. Final mode is really good for helping you stay in control, but you still have to get their first.
I mean how do you fix the mono-red problem of play all the burn all the small creatures... stop printing them? Make big red viable again? Big uncounterable burn cards instead of small 1 mana 2 dmg cards, play a 5 mana 6 dmg card prints or something. It's just so braindead gameplay, do your best to stop me because I don't care I'm sending everything face every time and the cards help me send it all face with zero thought. It's boring, it's annoying and it's 70% of the meta.
Frankly I agree it is so annoying that Mano red players can win without using their brain. Then they will defend it by saying control made them this way. This is a lie there are so many lands that protect creatures and a good amount of red cards that have the ability can't be countered.
@@AquaDogYT I have absolutely no idea what you are talking about. Grill hasn't been in the meda for forever. Right now mono red and Boros take over everything. And saying you should just "build your deck to beat agro" is Bs because even if I added a crap ton of removal I still have to get lucky to draw it.
Modern design of mtg cards sucks. Midrange does not exist. If you don't play the greediest mono red you get clowned by control. That's why i stick to pauper and commander lately
A tip for anybody who hates discard: G/B Squirrels are very good at handling having their cards pushed to the GY, so long as Arena doesn't want you to lose every game feels winnable.
I'm so glad that you said that because I swear I feel like sometimes when you do too good Arena does not want you to win hits you hard lol you draw lands when you don't need them and cards when you have no lands 😂
Yo CGB! Play Disfigure instead of Cutdown, it often beats the mono red by lowering the creatures' attacks before they double tap by dealing damage on being destroyed/sacrificed
I don't see a lot of people running the 3cmc lizard with discard on etb (look at hand and pick a discard if opponent lost life). Am i missing something? Seems to me like a pretty decent effect?
Honestly, iI thought about that too, but I think there are more versatile or less mana intensive options that could take that slot. A body is cool, until you realize that malicious eclipse is more relevant in that slot with all the aggro. I would sideboard it for control matchups.
3 mana alone kills it, but then you still have to ensure opponent lost life to best use it too. Maybe if it were a 2 mana 2/2 body, but we didnt get to pick the discard, or 2 mana with optional pay 1 at etb to be able to choose the discard. Think about other 3 mana cards in discard decks that the lizard competes against. Cards like Phyrexian Arena, Preacher, and of course Lili herself, so wouldnt you rather play any of that instead? Also, theres already plenty of T1 and T2 spells that basically do the same thing anyways.
Crokeyz play the full 4 copies of it in his BLB Black Zoo deck, even made an (overexaggerated) comparison to Grief. But its a very different deck, he does not play the Bandits Talent in that deck as an example. Long story short, its a good card in a creature centric deck where its creature type matter, where as it aligns less well with the deck that CGB is playing.
Hey @covertgoblue excellent content. I did some improvements into your list. Got a nice above 60% win rate on mythic. Main changes are 2 copies of the snake, remove lands to 22. Removed the utility lands, I kept only 3 copies of demolition fields. Improved the removal list (picked up the exile 2 mana ones). Mono red is crushed, also we get an edge with control decks with 2 mana selection discard spells. The list is pasted below. Thanks for good content man, we love to see the streamer tilt. :D Deck 3 Pilfer (DMU) 102 4 Cut Down (DMU) 89 4 Ruthless Negotiation (BLB) 108 4 Tithing Blade (LCI) 128 4 Hopeless Nightmare (WOE) 95 4 Bandit's Talent (BLB) 83 19 Swamp (KTK) 254 4 Liliana of the Veil (DMU) 97 1 Cruelclaw's Heist (BLB) 88 2 Rottenmouth Viper (BLB) 107 4 Sheoldred's Edict (ONE) 108 3 Demolition Field (BRO) 260 4 Anoint with Affliction (ONE) 81
I would rather die to Mono red, because it actually kills you in a timely fashion. Mono black just wastes your time making sure both players do nothing and slowly rack-draining you.
I’m at a stage in my life where I accept losing to non-aggro by playing case of uneaten feast with my soldiers. If my odds of winning 90% of the games (aggro) goes up by 10%, we have to take those odds. You can have me Golgari midrange and UW or monoblack control. Until the odds change I’m good.
I gotta say, I fucking love playing mono black. I love going into the Standard ladder and just making other annoying decks completely whiff. Make them discard, sacrifice for value and damage with Braids, kill their creatures, make them sacrifice their creatures, just *keep them down* while you beat their face. It's basically UW control but you have a wincon and control them through taking their threats away from them.
34:25 it is a cursed game, Segurime is known for cheating and mana flooding his opponents with a mod that dictates and controls the draws and what is surfaced to the top He almost without fail has an answer or will draw creatures or get the land he needs always by changing the setting to how he wants the randomizer to work for him and his opponent When loosing he will mana flood you until he has a fighting chance to turn the tables then enables your draws so that way it does not seem sus and like its Mtg Arena fault. Sadly, as of now, So many people have figured out how to control the settings of the randomizer and decks, and technically it's not cheating, since it is undetectable and written off as Mtg Arena hand shenanigans, it's hard to dictate what is real in it or not. I make this claim because I've played Segurime in timeless Several times already and he always top decks without fail and when i seen this video I was like WOW IT'S HIM!!! AND I WAS RIGHT!!! He likes to test decks and play in timeless which is where I played him, but it was before bloom, so his red, black deck was mainly heist and discard control, now it looks like he runs lizards for damage as heist and control don't really affect the life total but the field mainly just enough to get attacks in
This deck is the least fun to play against. Please understand that when I say "the least" I am not using superlatives. I mean, that in my subjective opinion, of all the decks I have played against, this is the least fun to play against. I would rather play against Eldraine Bo1 Embercleave Mono Red. I would rather play against any iteration of blue white. I would rather play out the game against lantern control when they've resolved the deterministic lock. I genuinely consider conceding the game on turn 1 when I see a ruthless negotiation/tiny bones joins up. I think this deck was designed in a lab as a thought experiment by Utilitarian philosophers to create a real world example of the heretofore theoretical concept of the "negative utility monster." I do not like it very much.
MtG has always been a game to make someone this angry. It's just that feeling is normally felt by people playing against control when they're not playing as control on the regular, so you don't have as much experience.
you problably not gonna see this but if you see i have a 250 card standard deck that i got mythic with last season and now with the changes i am walking on a 60 % wr witch is not bad can you look and see how we can make the deck better
Net-decking ruined Arena, but in Ranked I get it. In casual games I'll just scoop to mono black or red and move on. Not worth getting annoyed with and yeah the match maker certainly seems to have specific MMR things it runs to make sure you get very similar match ups each game.
discard decks: Im going to put both of us in topdeck mode, and then all my topdecks are complete shit while all opp topdecks are potentially game winning
CGB over here playing against non stop mono red while I'm playing against Smuggler surprise decks then dinos then UW control then BW control then RW control
I am going to try this deck out but with Karen's Sylexes and the ever so Bitterly Triumphs instead of Cut Downs and Tinybones. Trading out the Investigators for more Alcazotzs and an extra Swamp. (Considered Asunders, J.Hollows, R. Cottages and Fabled Passages with two forests in order to remove the no-win-con factor, but where's the fun in that 😊 ) I will let you know how it work out, later.
Easy wins except once and that is when a Dimir Madness Control Deck turn the tables and EARNED an easy win against me using my deck. Yes, This Discard Deck Deserves To Exist!
Weird to hate a deck like this considering control decks do the same thing. Disrupt opponent. Get card advantage. Grind out win. It’s the same formula.
It’s a disgusting meta out of mono red, rakdos or gruul splash, discard, counter everything uw control and mono black discard. The most fair deck seems to be golgari, until they combo kill you.
Discard is no way *more* toxic than counterspells, boardwipes or mana cheating, there I said it. Now that we've established neither are fundementally 'ok' can we go back to when MTG actually felt like you were having a wizard battle instead of seeing who can make who play the least.
@@nbnerd2283 When Richard Garfield was sitting on the couch one day and came up with the idea of 'Wizard battles but it's a card game'. After that it was all down hill.
Against anything, discard is just annoying, not good. It gets a bad reputation because an early duress can blow your strategy or make a good hand bad. And in a completive deck might be the little advantage lead to win. But discard focused decks usually win out of a early frustrated concede, they bring so many discard that they don't have any good way to close the game, even if they empty your hand, just stay in the game, you'll draw your useful cards while they keep drawing useless discards against your empty hand.
@@myr_wlk698 Oh yeah, i don't hate Discard because i can't beat it, I hate discard because Its miserable to decide on sticking to a hand only to have it be butchered on T1 without any ability to interact. Similar to how annoying it is to go up against aggro on the draw and you have two tap lands. Give me "free" (alt cost) counterspells and I'll consider it fair. I dont care if im right or wrong, I don't enjoy playing against it so i scoop. Problem is that its so frequent now that ranking up and tilt-scooping is gonna be tough. That said its not really an inherent issue in discard decks as much as it is how low cost the meta is.
I only see 4 racks in this, but no Shoe's, so you have my interest. Also Cruelclaw's cruelty is kind of a big thing to deal with the all the golgari running discard fodder to go along self discard strats.
That "I GET A BAT!!!" stands up there with "JIN GITAXIS!?!?"
This !!!
Proceeds to get lightning striked was hilarious 😂😂
This deck needs a couple copies of Sheoldred to punish anyone getting around the Talent with a lot of card draw.
This version of discard is so bad it's laughable.
@@jakelink1482 Dimir DIscard FTW!
The sarcasm was at peak levels in this video.
Heist is clutch in this deck being able to pick is crucial and being able to gift a card to get to play one of theirs can be satisfying 😅
I was shaqfu_69 in that second last game and was having a ton of fun with our last couple topdecks. Long time fan, GG well played!
I would argue that facing mono-red is the only time playing mono-black discard is a forgivable sin.
Correct, its just as cancerous.
Fight trolls with trolls
CGB did not even do an outro ha ha ha. He really hates this deck
Did he at least remind us that we are cool? I need that daily dose.
I don't know of a single control player that likes discard decks. I think it might be something to do with having someone attacking their counterspells before they can be cast.
@@chasm9557 Nah. Control players are value players. And nothing makes you sadder than losing all of your cool cards which give you even more cool cards. And discard decks are pretty bad typically. So when you lose to one, it makes you question your own skill as a player.
@@ashleyhamilton5064 Discard and splash some blue so that whatever they don't discard gets countered instantly. Peak magic I frickin >:C
@@chasm9557nah control normally farms discard decks bc if u mulligan and keep some draw spells,they bandit's talent will never trigger, and mono-discard run a lot of destroy creature spells which are all dead cards versus controls. When u successfully gets to turn 4 with at least 1 draw spells, their only win-con is to place virtue and hope u run out of counters or get lost, bc discard trades cards 1 to 1 so most of time u both run out of cards fast, but if u get draw spells, they are the only one running out of resources
This deck looks miserable to pilot. The ultimate emo deck, it's not about winning it's about making your opponent feel your emo pain.
Been playing this with a much more aggressive curve with Faerie Dreamthief and then Rankles Prank as curve topper. Lots of graveyard stuff you can do later then and if you get your hand empty that quick, using Prank for all modes had been winning games as crazy 4 for 1
Honestly I miss the RDW/Boros Convoke meta. Discard is so frickin miserable when its this back to back. Once or twice fine, but when obstinate baloth is actually a viable main deck creature in Bo1 its a problem.
They both have miserable play patterns, which are essentially a gamble, they bet you don't have answers, they bet you can't replenish your hand, they just keep pushing and play what ever they have, then hope you do nothing while they have all the fun. BTW, mill is the same miserable thing.
The litmus test is obstinate baloth. How did we get to this point!? I agree with you though.
@@chienlinchen8877 mill is not, cause it doesn't disrupt your hands. try to think of the deck as your health, they just try to beat down your 50 health and end the game.
@@chienlinchen8877 Disagree on the mill. Its usually just another control wincon. Its fine.
Weird I sided with mono red this episode. Great video thank you again CGB.
24:15 unironically chuckled
I hate discard decks as well. So I made one. Its bit different than this, I focused on some different areas. So there is a bit more drain than this. Originally I came up with something very close to this after losing to it. The talent cards are so busted.... I would def be interested to share it with you. I find it makes it more fun, but also worse. So much worse. Still loving the Abzan deck you posted a while ago. No, no one gets to play magic cards but me lol Love that you covered this my dude!!
I remember people calling hostile investigator waste of a mythic slot and a draft bulk card. I don't understand why a 3for1 with a body that can actually kill you is considered bad by anyone. And it even has random upside for looting/liliana + extra discards
I would say it doesn't pass the Sheoldred test, but for this deck maybe it does.
You were the chosen one CGB! It was said you would destroy the dark side, not join them!
Hold on, blue white control players are the light side? Na they dwell with mono red players in the deepest circles of hell, arguably even deeper that the latter due to the amount of your time they waste regardless of the outcome
@@hmvollbanane1259 While some of that might be true; at the very least it takes nuance to play u/w control with any effectiveness. The same can't be said for the latter.
@@hmvollbanane1259No time spent playing MtG is wasted, so the longer the game goes on the better it is.
I don't have the wildcards to play most of what's new, so I've been falling back on old favorites like phyrexian obliterator, phyrexian fleshgorger, and Sheoldred the Apocalypse combined with some of the current discard tech and it has been doing horrible despicable things to all these aggro players out here at the moment.
That discard joke was good
so he shouldn't DISCARD it?....
I'm glad we got to hear it twice. 💜
Which card?
8:43 joy to sadness so fast made me chuckle
24:22 awesome pun
I was making a monoblack discard deck cause I'm tired of being faceroled by them. And then CGB drops this vid
I really think that it's better to take the Crueclaws Heist instead of the Ruthless negotiation. Who needs a 5 mana flashback in this fast format
Also Rankle's prank as a soft boardwipe and discard two.
I think saffron olive had the better build, which is rare for me to say.
You're both wrong, there's no time for 2 mana 1 card discards. Duress and the fires of steel and oil card are so much better than the garbage he's running.
Seeing your opponents entire hand then selecting the card you don't have a good answer to is infinitely better than giving your opponent a choice discard with a 3 mana scry 2 or a 5 mana card draw. It's not even close and it shows how little time he spends making these videos or playing these decks.
Also where is skitter? 3 mana win con that deals with graveyards? 0% chance the 4th copy of Lilli or alcazotz is better than your 1st and second skitter, if for no other reason then the fact that they're legends and you never want 2-3 in hand anyway.
"The one is best of one" is "the one who's hard stuck in platinum"
@@jakelink1482i disagree with the scry 2 option on the enchantment being useless. Its come in clutch a few times. But yeah most his card selections are @$$.
a little standard 8 rack, love to see it!!!
This is an odd take away from this video but I really really like bandits talent design - I mean I see how rack like effects are inherently sort of toxic but I feel like bandits talent is a really good way to approach it. Discard a card but you can’t just throw away a land (discard 2+ or forced to discard your good card while you’ve got a land to pitch always feels bad, but then when you are the one playing discard it feels bad when they can just dump a land). The damage bandits talent does is more restrictive and wont win for 10 turns unless you’ve put in some work. Final mode is really good for helping you stay in control, but you still have to get their first.
Shuffler doing it's typical "Here! A land!" bullshit. lol
What happened to CGBs Micro? The Sound is horrible.
This deck makes me like boros
What was that about the shuffler again?
Playing that with the Phyrexian Obliterator and Rottenmouth Viper. 😂
Discard is the epitome of "I drew good so you don't get to play"
and also the epitome of "I didn't answer a turn 2 drop and lost the game."
Hopeless, mirrex, lord skitter and viper is insane for a version of this
I was wondering why I was facing this deck so much for the last couple days... now I know.
I mean how do you fix the mono-red problem of play all the burn all the small creatures... stop printing them? Make big red viable again? Big uncounterable burn cards instead of small 1 mana 2 dmg cards, play a 5 mana 6 dmg card prints or something. It's just so braindead gameplay, do your best to stop me because I don't care I'm sending everything face every time and the cards help me send it all face with zero thought. It's boring, it's annoying and it's 70% of the meta.
Frankly I agree it is so annoying that Mano red players can win without using their brain. Then they will defend it by saying control made them this way. This is a lie there are so many lands that protect creatures and a good amount of red cards that have the ability can't be countered.
20% of the meta, 10% rakdos fling and 10% gruul prowess. just. build ur deck to pass the aggro test or to be bo3 ima be real
@@AquaDogYT I have absolutely no idea what you are talking about. Grill hasn't been in the meda for forever. Right now mono red and Boros take over everything. And saying you should just "build your deck to beat agro" is Bs because even if I added a crap ton of removal I still have to get lucky to draw it.
Modern design of mtg cards sucks. Midrange does not exist. If you don't play the greediest mono red you get clowned by control. That's why i stick to pauper and commander lately
@@amamam95 golgari midrange exists and it is very good against mono red
A tip for anybody who hates discard: G/B Squirrels are very good at handling having their cards pushed to the GY, so long as Arena doesn't want you to lose every game feels winnable.
I'm so glad that you said that because I swear I feel like sometimes when you do too good Arena does not want you to win hits you hard lol you draw lands when you don't need them and cards when you have no lands 😂
17:40 what a perfect finish
I am getting Raven's Crime flashbacks.
Yo CGB!
Play Disfigure instead of Cutdown, it often beats the mono red by lowering the creatures' attacks before they double tap by dealing damage on being destroyed/sacrificed
Why do you run mirrex over fountainport?
I don't see a lot of people running the 3cmc lizard with discard on etb (look at hand and pick a discard if opponent lost life). Am i missing something? Seems to me like a pretty decent effect?
Honestly, iI thought about that too, but I think there are more versatile or less mana intensive options that could take that slot. A body is cool, until you realize that malicious eclipse is more relevant in that slot with all the aggro. I would sideboard it for control matchups.
3 mana alone kills it, but then you still have to ensure opponent lost life to best use it too. Maybe if it were a 2 mana 2/2 body, but we didnt get to pick the discard, or 2 mana with optional pay 1 at etb to be able to choose the discard.
Think about other 3 mana cards in discard decks that the lizard competes against. Cards like Phyrexian Arena, Preacher, and of course Lili herself, so wouldnt you rather play any of that instead? Also, theres already plenty of T1 and T2 spells that basically do the same thing anyways.
Crokeyz play the full 4 copies of it in his BLB Black Zoo deck, even made an (overexaggerated) comparison to Grief.
But its a very different deck, he does not play the Bandits Talent in that deck as an example.
Long story short, its a good card in a creature centric deck where its creature type matter, where as it aligns less well with the deck that CGB is playing.
First match beating mono red is a must!
Hey @covertgoblue excellent content. I did some improvements into your list. Got a nice above 60% win rate on mythic. Main changes are 2 copies of the snake, remove lands to 22. Removed the utility lands, I kept only 3 copies of demolition fields. Improved the removal list (picked up the exile 2 mana ones). Mono red is crushed, also we get an edge with control decks with 2 mana selection discard spells. The list is pasted below. Thanks for good content man, we love to see the streamer tilt. :D
Deck
3 Pilfer (DMU) 102
4 Cut Down (DMU) 89
4 Ruthless Negotiation (BLB) 108
4 Tithing Blade (LCI) 128
4 Hopeless Nightmare (WOE) 95
4 Bandit's Talent (BLB) 83
19 Swamp (KTK) 254
4 Liliana of the Veil (DMU) 97
1 Cruelclaw's Heist (BLB) 88
2 Rottenmouth Viper (BLB) 107
4 Sheoldred's Edict (ONE) 108
3 Demolition Field (BRO) 260
4 Anoint with Affliction (ONE) 81
Did CGB change his audio setup? It sounds worse somehow.
He mentioned in another video the mic got turned backwards and he didn't notice due to the cover.
weep for me, I play RW control, what am I supposed to do for cards!
Red season gives 4 impulse draws and a treasure
I would rather die to Mono red, because it actually kills you in a timely fashion. Mono black just wastes your time making sure both players do nothing and slowly rack-draining you.
I’m at a stage in my life where I accept losing to non-aggro by playing case of uneaten feast with my soldiers. If my odds of winning 90% of the games (aggro) goes up by 10%, we have to take those odds. You can have me Golgari midrange and UW or monoblack control. Until the odds change I’m good.
It wasn't long ago that soldiers was the toilet of the meta 😂
The Standard Mono Red deck going strong in Historic Ranked.
Which card?
Tried to skim the video looking for a non-aggro match, found two. Jesus christ we're fucked.
Lizards was probably trying to landfall stall with duress
Best intro of 2024
I gotta say, I fucking love playing mono black. I love going into the Standard ladder and just making other annoying decks completely whiff.
Make them discard, sacrifice for value and damage with Braids, kill their creatures, make them sacrifice their creatures, just *keep them down* while you beat their face.
It's basically UW control but you have a wincon and control them through taking their threats away from them.
34:25 it is a cursed game, Segurime is known for cheating and mana flooding his opponents with a mod that dictates and controls the draws and what is surfaced to the top
He almost without fail has an answer or will draw creatures or get the land he needs always by changing the setting to how he wants the randomizer to work for him and his opponent
When loosing he will mana flood you until he has a fighting chance to turn the tables then enables your draws so that way it does not seem sus and like its Mtg Arena fault.
Sadly, as of now, So many people have figured out how to control the settings of the randomizer and decks, and technically it's not cheating, since it is undetectable and written off as Mtg Arena hand shenanigans, it's hard to dictate what is real in it or not. I make this claim because I've played Segurime in timeless Several times already and he always top decks without fail and when i seen this video I was like WOW IT'S HIM!!! AND I WAS RIGHT!!!
He likes to test decks and play in timeless which is where I played him, but it was before bloom, so his red, black deck was mainly heist and discard control, now it looks like he runs lizards for damage as heist and control don't really affect the life total but the field mainly just enough to get attacks in
41:09 should have attacked with pumped forge, they would block...then boom! virtue
Best of one with mono black, mono blue and mono red is hilarious right now. They all complain about each other too
You need one or two Season of Loss for getting around wide boards...
Well, time to play Tergrid in Brawl again and feel good about myself. :)
You monster, this deck makes my blood pressure spike. /s
that is why you need a draw engeine with discard to reload
This deck is the least fun to play against. Please understand that when I say "the least" I am not using superlatives. I mean, that in my subjective opinion, of all the decks I have played against, this is the least fun to play against. I would rather play against Eldraine Bo1 Embercleave Mono Red. I would rather play against any iteration of blue white. I would rather play out the game against lantern control when they've resolved the deterministic lock.
I genuinely consider conceding the game on turn 1 when I see a ruthless negotiation/tiny bones joins up.
I think this deck was designed in a lab as a thought experiment by Utilitarian philosophers to create a real world example of the heretofore theoretical concept of the "negative utility monster."
I do not like it very much.
mono black landfall?
Does anyone else feel like the current meta is just "feels bad man" lmao
how do you get to be on the play so often you skipping games?
Probably, I would wager he cuts out 4-5 games per session where he outright loses or goes 2nd and scoops.
MtG has always been a game to make someone this angry. It's just that feeling is normally felt by people playing against control when they're not playing as control on the regular, so you don't have as much experience.
I forgot about how toxic you are
43:22 The opponent went first wtf?
I hit this deck 3 times today. Time for some Obstinate Baloth!
Audio seem off to anyone else?
Love that opening!
Hate it more like mono red...?
you problably not gonna see this but if you see i have a 250 card standard deck that i got mythic with last season and now with the changes i am walking on a 60 % wr witch is not bad can you look and see how we can make the deck better
This what I hate about Arena. People play the same shit and then if they don't the match maker seems to like to pair you against the same other shit.
Net-decking ruined Arena, but in Ranked I get it. In casual games I'll just scoop to mono black or red and move on. Not worth getting annoyed with and yeah the match maker certainly seems to have specific MMR things it runs to make sure you get very similar match ups each game.
You must know thy enemy, to defeat thy enemy.
Im sorry but 8:50 made me laugh so hard.
I don't like red aggro but i also hate discard, even if my green decks do well against it.
discard decks: Im going to put both of us in topdeck mode, and then all my topdecks are complete shit while all opp topdecks are potentially game winning
CGB over here playing against non stop mono red while I'm playing against Smuggler surprise decks then dinos then UW control then BW control then RW control
I am going to try this deck out but with Karen's Sylexes and the ever so Bitterly Triumphs instead of Cut Downs and Tinybones. Trading out the Investigators for more Alcazotzs and an extra Swamp. (Considered Asunders, J.Hollows, R. Cottages and Fabled Passages with two forests in order to remove the no-win-con factor, but where's the fun in that 😊 ) I will let you know how it work out, later.
Easy wins except once and that is when a Dimir Madness Control Deck turn the tables and EARNED an easy win against me using my deck. Yes, This Discard Deck Deserves To Exist!
41:25 ironic considering the deck you are playing
God, i despise this deck with every fiber in my being.
maybe make some content with the largest standand deck
What a difficult deck to play.
All i get os 80% of games a mirrors.
10 games played
8 mirror matches
2 mono red
I waiting for some mono blue action
Weird to hate a deck like this considering control decks do the same thing. Disrupt opponent. Get card advantage. Grind out win. It’s the same formula.
I've come to hate mono black discard more than mono red aggro
Lots of people honestly hate mono black more then red in general I've noticed.
27:00 spoilers for Space Jam
14:25 me when I meet Liliana
Game against sigurime: shuffler is fine
THAT! Since Bloomburrow, the shuffler seems extra broken. 12 lands in a row... completely normal
Thats the only way I lose at this game is mana flood or mana screwed, I HATE the shuffler.
It’s a disgusting meta out of mono red, rakdos or gruul splash, discard, counter everything uw control and mono black discard. The most fair deck seems to be golgari, until they combo kill you.
80% of players are playing lockdown in bo1 in my games so loran is a solid option
Make room for Sheoldred...
Discard is no way *more* toxic than counterspells, boardwipes or mana cheating, there I said it.
Now that we've established neither are fundementally 'ok' can we go back to when MTG actually felt like you were having a wizard battle instead of seeing who can make who play the least.
when was that?
@@nbnerd2283 When Richard Garfield was sitting on the couch one day and came up with the idea of 'Wizard battles but it's a card game'. After that it was all down hill.
Discard is card negative but it triggers some
lol I hate both of these color combos, but I agree somehow.
Discard deck? Whoopie
Whenever Liliana rotates out, it will be a good day for MTG.
You look defeated in this video here CGB. You okay bro?
This deck actually lose against any deck with a good amount of card draw
Against anything, discard is just annoying, not good.
It gets a bad reputation because an early duress can blow your strategy or make a good hand bad.
And in a completive deck might be the little advantage lead to win.
But discard focused decks usually win out of a early frustrated concede, they bring so many discard that they don't have any good way to close the game, even if they empty your hand, just stay in the game, you'll draw your useful cards while they keep drawing useless discards against your empty hand.
@@myr_wlk698 Oh yeah, i don't hate Discard because i can't beat it, I hate discard because Its miserable to decide on sticking to a hand only to have it be butchered on T1 without any ability to interact. Similar to how annoying it is to go up against aggro on the draw and you have two tap lands. Give me "free" (alt cost) counterspells and I'll consider it fair.
I dont care if im right or wrong, I don't enjoy playing against it so i scoop. Problem is that its so frequent now that ranking up and tilt-scooping is gonna be tough.
That said its not really an inherent issue in discard decks as much as it is how low cost the meta is.
Disagree. Aclazotz and virtue are card advantage. I prefer running this deck with a couple phyrexian arenas, but the premise is sound.
THIS CARD
I bet you can't make a black red control deck.
this deck is so obnoxious.
I only see 4 racks in this, but no Shoe's, so you have my interest. Also Cruelclaw's cruelty is kind of a big thing to deal with the all the golgari running discard fodder to go along self discard strats.
wtf is a Shoe
@@pbbppbbp Probably Sheoldred.