I'm listening to this at work and my coworker believes and he bursted out in laughter when Matt said that. My co worker is the type of believer I can deal with. He knows it isn't logical but he believes because it makes him feel like he understands the universe better. There's a lot to be said about that but at least he's honest.
@Denavio Leeks I'm an atheist who listens to conservative Christian radio on a daily basis, and I guarantee you there are people out there who are really that delusional.
Matt: "How many fingers am I holding up?" Caller: "Okay. Well, the thing you have to know, if you let me continue a pointless, endless story, you see..."
@Skydaddy Myth-Busters 9? That's way too generous. I think she's best left outdoors with her dogs and goats. PS does anyone process 35mm film anymore? Digital cameras became popular 25 yrs ago!!! I think she needs a holiday in the 'special hotel' with padded rooms, very long-sleeved jackets and rubber cutlery.
You guys are much kinder than I am. What I heard is that Jamie has a book she wants to sell. Sounded to me like she was trying to use the show for free exposure.
@Transisms R immoral Hey Atheistmoms Rchimps/Anime Atheistlove/Jim Kirk/Jimmy James/Jimmy Kirk/Disbeliefs Rdumb/Jim Brown/Atheist R Communist/Atheist hate Free Speech, that’s the third time I’ve seen that comment, so how many more threads will you be spamming?
A caller wouldnt answer that either. I will, no they can not. They use faith for answers which is a clear way to avoid having real answers to shortcut themselves to authority to do violence on you for not obeying fake god crap
They're too concerned about doing a delicate dance to avoid falling into what they percieve as a trap. Of course, it's not meant as a trap; it's meant as an excercise to guide them through a rational process. It's just that they're afraid of where that process might lead, so they go into defense mode, or they just ignore the question and go on with their prepared speech.
My experience debating theists they never answer questions ignore everything you say/type. And try to convince you the not verified is just as rational as axiomatic claims.
Take a look at Sam. He's probably the millionth Christian who does not understand what an analogy is. Which is extra ironic, because they'll always point to factual errors in the bible and say "they're parables, they're not supposed to be taken literally, they're like stories to make it easier for you to understand."
I LOVE Matt Dillahunty and one of the reasons is because he knows how to handle callers like this first caller. I love the fact that Matt doesn't let him get away with nonsense and continually redirects when the caller tries to evade the question(s). The way this first caller was handled was pure awesome.
No, it wasn't awesome. It may have seemed awesome to you, and to other atheists, because Matt has his neat way of shutting down all theist callers which is based on the skeptical approach to how we establish what is true. That is just one approach. If the theist callers words don't fit, then they are kicked to the kerb. So, although it looks like the way Matt handled the first caller was awesome, it really wasn't awesome in regards to actual truth. I suspect what made you think it was awesome is that Matt looks clever and he leaves the theist looking idiotic but only because he has set up everything beforehand so any theist will appear to have "lost".
@@robertcarsten4050 Yeah in the atheist/skeptics mindset there's no conversation to be had. You've invented a world where you are safely protected from truth which you can't access from your limited skeptical approach to the whole of life. Time to wake up and wean yourself off your mentor Matt D.
Jamie tripped on a cloud and fell about 8 miles high. She tore her mind on a jagged sky. She just called in to see what condition her condition was in. ;)
The smart theists stop calling because they know they can't prove or defend their beliefs. They left with these stupid callers trying to prove the impossible.
@@Oi.... So I actually thought it was worse 10 years ago or so. A lot of theists called who couldn't believe that atheism even existed, and then they asked questions like, "You doubt the historical accuracy of the bible, but you believe in gaad?" (no joke), or "You don't believe in god, but you believe in Jesus?" (no joke either). And the only argument from the rain dancers was, "lOOk aT tHe trEeS." There were fanatical christians calling who didn't even know what was in the Genesis, who didn't know that muslims are also abrahamites, and so on and so forth. In that respect, things have gotten a little better after all. I don't really see anything like that today anymore (?). But, of course, only the quantity of arguments has increased. The quality of the theistic considerations has not changed.
I was thinking something similar, that after 15+years that those with critical-thinking and/or conversational skills don’t bother anymore, as why should they? They haven’t anything solid for thousands of years.
@@redmed10 The latter are the "I only am calling because my teenage son told me I should." They really don't have anything to say, and when asked, "What do you believe and why?" they can't get past "I'm a Christian." Why? They've never thought about it. Now, hopefully when they get off the phone, their kid can say, look, you couldn't explain it so get off my back. But we never know. All we know is that the parent looks like an ignorant fool.
the program has had it's day, no reasonable arguments being made if there were or could ever have been made, now Matt is an unpaid psychologist for people off their meds and refusing therapy.
I love that instead of bleeping the prank caller at 48:37 with a standard tone, you used the sound of Shannon Q attempting to say "Flurgle blurgle". Nicely done. 👍😊
For all the crap Matt gets about cutting people off, I was amazed at how much lattitude and time he gave Jamie. Surely it crossed his mind that she may also be a troll doing phone theater. However, if she is serious, this is potentially a very disturbed person and Matt and Mandisa both took the high road and were very kind and patient with her. Everyone should take note and remember this next time you hear "No no no, you're done."
I think Jamie was a genuine disturbed caller. That's why they were being gentle with her. I hope the ACA will reach out for her. She really needs help. But that 'Matthew' thing really cracked me up last night.
If he feels the caller is genuine and honest and listens in return; if they actually want to have a conversation then Matt will give them time and patience and will talk through what you want. If the caller isn't, if they have a script to read or just want to preach then he is still more patient than I would be.
The correct response to Jamie would have been to say, "Send us the photo and we will bring you back to discuss it. There is no point in discussing a photo we haven't seen." End of discussion. On the other hand, it is possible that Sam actually had a point he wanted to make, and Matt didn't pursue it. When Sam said, "it is human nature to believe," Matt should have responded with, "Okay, but your human nature and my human nature have led us to believe diametrically opposed things, so how do you propose we resolve the difference?"
Sam was hilarious! “I believe for the same reason you don’t believe”. Cool. Then you believe in god because there’s no demonstrations of it in any field, of any religion. Also he believes in god because there’s atrocities committed in the Bible, like slavery, genocide, fascism, dominionism, among other things. He thought he had a really cool script, complete with “catchphrase” and redefining a term to suit his needs. “A belief is just when you have belief”. He wouldn’t even acknowledge that anyone was talking! When no matter what question you ask, the person arguing the position he wants you to have, isn’t changing or adapting to what been said it’s hopeless.
That’s what I was thinking. I wish Matt had said “You believe in god because there is no good evidence he exists?”. I’m sure Sam would have replied with no. Then Matt we don’t have the same reason why you believe and I don’t. Or he could have said “I don’t believe in a god because I’m not convinced he exists” then let the caller stumble on that one. Because you definitely can’t claim to believe in god, because you’re not convinced a god exists.
@@JarlGrimmToys I admire your optimism, but how many theists, answer a straight forward yes/no question,, with a straight forward yes or no? Don't get me wrong. I like your approach and agree with your point.
@@JarlGrimmToys it wouldn't have worked. He just wanted to play word games. To me his arguemnt was we both believe things for bad reasons so were on the same level arguemnt. He said soemthing about it being "human nature" to believe things which was his "the same reasons". He was just arguing that Matt's disbelief is part of his nature like he believes is part of his nature and its not a choice or evidence based either way.
Another one bites the dust Another one bites the dust And another one gone, and another one gone Another one bites the dust Hey, I'm gonna get you too Another one bites the dust…
“I have to explain some more before I send you the photograph …”. Translation: “I know the picture will be utterly unconvincing, so I have to preface it with a kind of spiritual mumbo-jumbo story to make it meaningful.” Nope. Next!
Exactly. That's what shows me she actually knew she was full of shit. She wasn't crazy, just narcissistic. She doesn't really believe her own bullshit.
Yeah. You know how "a picture is worth a thousand words"? But she needs a thousand words to explain her picture. If you have a picture of God, just show the thing. Granted, that is going to result in the question of "How do you know it is God," and, unfortunately, "I could feel it" isn't going to be an acceptable answer (this is why Matt noted up front that the picture could never be proof of God, because it won't and can't pass that test). At one point, Jamie did say that the "points of light" or something like that were angels, but she didn't say what God looked like except to say that it was a cloud in man's image. But somehow it showed the triune god, father, son and holy spirt. Which begs the question of what the holy spirit looks like in order to show up in a picture. I think they wasted too much time letting her ramble on, but they were right in the end to call her bluff. You have this picture of God. I don't need to know your stupid "journey" or that you were in a dark place, just show us the picture. Naturally, she folded.
I love the concept of "Beyond Belief", it's such a beautiful paradigm which reaches past religion and into everything we can. "Not Belief" is not a believer. Non-believers are NOT the opposite of believers, that is simply not in the same realm of existence. To believe in something that doesn't exist, is not the opposite for those of us that believe in things that do. It's an abstraction that has nothing to do with reality, to accept a "non existent" on "belief". Beyond belief is exactly this. Beyond belief is subjecting our minds to reality and what is. I love that Mandisa Thomas has chosen a title that promotes the frame of reference that the community is coming together about. Gr8! Peace ☮💜
She really did seem like she was going to be different at first... She was _different_ alright. She goes "35mm" after being asked if it was photo or video. That was your first clue. Two or three responses like that in... Yeah alright moonbeam, go check your dream catcher.
Gawd is on the ceiling of the Sistine Chapel. Seen by millions. Very buff and not very friendly looking old white guy with a flowing beard. Somehow also as a burning shrub.
" when the Buybull says no one has ever seen God." Depends what passages you read. Some passages say some people have seen god. Jacob even gets in a wrestling match with god ( god loses btw).
The great Irish comedian Dave Allen used to refer to the Father, Son and Holy Ghost as Pop, Junior and Spooky. Needless to say the RC Church in Ireland were not amused.
I still can’t get my head around people who give credence to book that supports slavery, stoning disobedient children to death, condoning rape if money is paid to the father, and the girl as the marry her rapist. Calling for people to sell their daughters to slavery, and the many other immoral teachings in the book. Why all that does not put up a big red flag to believers is beyond me.
@Skydaddy Myth-Busters . One fool tried to excuse it, saying that the Canaanites were terrible disgusting people who needed to be wiped out. I said there is not one “decent” person on the planet who would believe that babies should be slaughtered regardless of how horrible and awful their parents were.
They focus so much on the idea that god is good, convince themselves he defines goodness, that where he seems not to be just isn't important. "All things work for the glory of god" mantras. Who are we to judge him? It's a mixed bag of confirmation bias, affirmation through repetition, indoctrination, and overall just psychological terrorism. You can't see it when you're in its grip, but study some epistemology, and psychological biases, and it falls apart.
I think they’re running out of muppet certificates on this show. There’s quite aching demand for them. On the other hand the muppets almost got their show on the road.
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Jamie reminds me of my mother. One of the sweetest kindness lovilest ladies you can ever hope to meet. But just like June her logic would cause a bishop to kick in a stained glass window!
I admire Mandisa also. I would also enjoy her being able to express herself more. She should host a show or at least be on a show that is not dominated by Matt.
I really wanna see her go off on that Canadian bigot that calls in. He called when she was on asking if they thought black people were "being hunted in America" and always argues we are erasing history by tearing down southern slave owners who were traitors. Last time he called he said "I have absolutely no respect for Mandisa". I'm guessing because she is black and speaks out against bigotry.
"We're both believers." Then neither one of us has any right to say what we believe is true. _Somewhere_ one of us has to have a reason the other doesn't 🤔
*""We're both believers." Then neither one of us has any right to say what we believe is true."* That is one of the exact reasons why apologists attempt to frame atheism as requiring faith/belief. So they can basically go "well, you don't have a better reason to not believe in Jebus than us believing in Jebus!"
@@coffeetalk924 You're equivocating two usages of the word "faith." One which is based on the trust we place in phenomenons to continue to take place as they did. Like the trust you have that your charged phone will turn on when you press the power-button, or that your door will open when you unlock it with the proper key. The other type of faith is the one where we wish things to be true, but have absolutely no factual evidence that they are. Like praying to a deity so we may get to go to a preferred afterlife after we die.
@@cy-one yes, I have confidence that the sun will rise tomorrow, based on observable, statistically reliable, repeatable, measurable, falsifiable evidence. Religious confidence (faith) is not based on the aforementioned qualities, but on unfalsifiable, anecdotal evidence, which is non-evidence and weak evidence respectively. I'm not equivocating in the slightest. My confidence is proportional to the evidence.
Fantastic show hosts and crew ❤️ Still deeply moved by Jamie's thought process, never heard anyone in person speak like that, heart breaking what theism does to the mind :(
@@LettersAndNumbers300 I really hope that is the case my friend, because if it isn't, she really needs help, and this theism stuff looked into from outsiders. I hope you get over other peoples concerns regarding the well being of others. Peace Lover Empathy
@@LettersAndNumbers300 "It was a prank call, get over it." “I believe it is an established maxim in morals that he who makes an assertion without knowing whether it is true or false, is guilty of falsehood; and the accidental truth of the assertion, does not justify or excuse him.” - Abraham Lincoln 1846 "The trouble with the world is that the stupid are cocksure and the intelligent are full of doubt.” - Bertrand Russell
Hamid honestly makes me angry.....he KNOWS he got nothing, he KNOWS whatever he says is crap and THATS why he refuses to answer the questions /sigh, wasted call IMO
@Transisms R immoral life came to being because of god? Ok, provide a METHOD, how do you know that it was god who made life? How do you know that it eas YOUR god that made life? Or are you trying to tell us that you only assert that it was god, your god, that made life, without any evidence backing it up?
@Transisms R immoral Hello Atheistmoms Rchimps/Anime Atheistlove/Jim Kirk/Jimmy James/Jimmy Kirk/Disbeliefs Rdumb/Jim Brown/Atheist R Communist/Atheist hate Free Speech, what happened to your last alt, as this one’s an hour old.
@Transisms R immoral look at him go tap dancing! amazing tap dancing. you are also excellent in beating bushes! i asked a simple question. do you have a method to prove that gods are real/not real? we have a method to determine a reptile from a mammal we have a method to determine an amphibian from a avian do you have a method to differentiate a true god from a false god? how do you know that right now you are not worshipping a false god? by your words, you seem to admit that you do not possess a method to determine your god's existence/non existence. why not just admit that you have been pulling shit out of you ass and assert it as true? or are you going to continue lying for your non existent god?
The show is really going through a rough patch through no fault of Matt and crew. Most theists are afraid to call and present the same tired ole arguments for gods existence because they get eviscerated every time. Instead we now get wimps/trolls like Sam and lunatics like Jamie. Maybe the show could move towards a platform where longer conversations are able to be had with the more informed and knowledgeable theists on the other side of the aisle, even if it takes up the whole show. For me that would be more entertaining than listening to calls like Jamie’s and Sam’s.
@Nathaniel Yates Which god? what about this god do you love? Is it the starving children, the disease? what evidence do you have this god even loves you? or that it exists? Use the same standards of proof you would apply to anything else in your life...
Aw man I shoulda thought to ask for a selfie with GOD when I was a christian kid. 23:55 And the cloud god wasn't in a shape you could perceive, but your 35mm hipster camera Was able to perceive its shape? Literally incredible!
@@MrShigura some theists actually try to say something. Some proof, some logic, some concept. All inevitably fail, but that's not the point. This guy had nothing. He played the "I was an atheist before" card and then had absolutely zero things to say.
What were you expecting? I explained at the beginning the intention of my call and that's what I tried to do. I don't think that I succeeded as I didn't finish my story. I'm still glad I called though. Let me know if you want to have a chat or you have questions.
@@hamidcoolboy I was expecting you to answer the very basic questions Matt was asking? If you phone up to a place, you should expect to have to answer questions and have a conversation.
@@davidh5020 Okay, all the questions which Matt asked would've been answered in the context of what I was going to explain after every time he asked a question. I tried really hard to find a common ground with him but he wants to dominate the whole time. That's not how a discussion works or should work IMHO. I suggest you watch the video again but from my perspective. I didn't call the show to prove anything or even argue but he turned it into an argument. As I said on the show, I was there because I was atheist before and now I'm a theist. I was following all the atheist public figures and listened to their advocation of following reason and logic and now I'm here. Now you tell me where I went wrong?
@@G_Demolished All of Heaven will be co-hosting that day, and Pascal will weep in his grave... unless he wagered even his grave away to attain a noodly appendage, which I have heard said by at least 500 that it is a price more infinite than an ocean of sensible wisdom.
"I believe for the same reason you don't believe", next time someone say that I will say "I don't believe because I have never seen any good evidence to believe" so you believe because you have never seen any good evidence? not a good reason is it?
I must say that the level of intelligence of most of these callers deflates me. The arguments are always so weak, and they continually try to validate a belief for which they cannot prove is valid.
Sadly, this is how it can be with many beliefs. When one comes to believe something without good evidence to support that belief. Gods, flat earth, spirit medicine, crystal healing, etc.
Vaccines and moon landing can be added to the belief list. What you want to believe isnt the same as proven adequately. We literally have people using argument from authority fallacy’s for these things and saying i saw it on tv and they called a guy on the moon from the white house… and the vax has not gone through 10 years of trials. It isnt science, these things are what you want to believe, they are not actually believed for good reason. Btw CGI pictures are not real sad to say the obvious but ppl actually think these nasa pics are real….
@@majormarketing6552 I mean that's what morons try to espouse. But most people who believe that stuff actually have the rudimentary understanding of the world to understand how a lot of this stuff works. A common straw man used by people who don't understand science or the scientific method. They are trying to bring the scientific method down to their internal method of believing whatever they want to be true.
Remember years ago when that woman said her proof of god was that her alarm clock suddenly had a different alarm one morning when she was half asleep, and it never did it again?
The magical thinking of theists like Jamie is mostly all-encompassing, so it includes belief in spells and magical rituals. As we all know from fairy tales and horror stories, the details are very important in such magic tricks. One wrong rune in the chalk circle and already not the hoped for demon from Babylon comes, but one has merely conjured up a venereal disease for the neighbor. For Jamie, saying Matthew instead of Matt certainly has great significance, as she attaches magical meaning to the word "Matthew" because he is a member of the fictional biblical staff. You can see this well here in the comment section too, when the trolls insist on writing certain words in capital letters because they are convinced that by writing them that way, they are summoning magical beings. 👻
Sam and his fellow travelers should really consider that if the most charitable explanation for their behavior is that they're time-wasting, low-effort trolls, then they've probably made more than a few wrong turns to get to where they are. 'Cause if he was serious, I'm just embarrassed for him.
Kudos to Matt on how he handled Sam. I've criticized Matt recently over how he has handled certain calls in the past. Nice one Matt, you stayed calm and dealt with him.
I really like the Matt we saw in this episode. I hesitate to judge him because I would probably have far less patience if I had to deal with the bs he deals with constantly but I do prefer it when he is patient and calm.
Expertise in one field does not carry over into other fields, but experts often think so. The narrower their field of knowledge, the more likely they are to think so. - Robert Heinlein
@@tkat6442 Well, that such a photo of gaad naturally requires at least a few blood sacrifices in advance should be obvious to everyone. Let's not be too petty about it.
@@justinfoulds7804 agree. I gave that upload a view before the I had a chance to see the Librarian's comment on this. Punks like this are just shitting on the whole conversation, not doing anything positive for theists either.
@@hamidcoolboy It relates to the behavior of assuming ill intent to a question a person is asking, even though the person has been honest and patient during the talk. So instead of answering they try to reiterate an early point or try to move past it. This generally happens between people with conflicting ideas.
@John Wood It didn't feel like that though but I thought that Matt completely missed my point and was asking a question which was irrelevant to the point I was trying to make. Thanks for replying.
@@hamidcoolboy You're hamid the caller? Did you understand the point about your god concept not necessarily reflecting reality no matter how much sense it makes to you? Like clearly JRR Tolkien had a clear concept of middle earth, but middle earth isn't real.
The point was that Mandisa was on TH and Matt wasn't, and that is because Matt is not worthy of being a host on that show and she is. It was a compliment to Mandisa's awesomeness and self-deprecation by Matt. It's not all that complicated.
There's never any proof, they almost never respond to questions honestly, there's the delay, but all this is infinitely better than trying to communicate with a god. It's almost as if there isn't one....
Again, still think it should be a case in the terms and conditions, if you call in to make a prank call, you agree to have your number and details posted.
@@ookeekthelibrarian I remember you was moving ... I'm fine and so are friends & family, thank you :) I also had all my shots some weeks ago, everything went well, no side effects at all. My financial situation has also recovered, business is coming back as the cultural business here is finally really taking off. At last, riding in cabs again and buying mountains of cake. 😆🍰🍰🍰😋
So a while back, I was catching up on my Logicked videos, and he had spent some time covering videos by some woman in the south (according to her accent) who had poor quality videos of things like rain falling or birds flying by that she would do some major editing (compress, expand, go negative, whatever) and then claim it was evidence of alien spaceships. She would do this with low-res fixed webcam footage she could find on the internet from random places, like a lighthouse or something. Her videos were basically her with her camera phone going "Look at that, y'all, can you believe that?" And Logicked would just grab the video, zoom in and show, "Hey, it's a bird" We used to see these "anomalies" on the videos for a Nest cameras (when it recorded the videos for us). They were just moths flying by. But someone like that idiot would break it down and claim it was visitors from outer space. There were a lot of people in the comments that suggested she find some help for her mental illness problems. Granted, they weren't very productive, but it's clear she was out there. The dump thing is her youtube channel had something like 100K subscribers. There are actually people who want to see nonsense like that. Seriously, she took video when it was raining and then saw streaks and thinks it is profound.
So pure love was watching Jamie from a cloud and then she saw pure love in the form of something undefinable in a cloud that did and did not represent a face of a God that has no face and yet she has photos of the whole thing. Preeeetttty darn aaaamaaaazing.
Hamid's call was frustrating. I don't know if it was a language barrier or what, but he did that classic refuse-to-answer-because-I-know-the-answer-is-a-fallacy shtick. Either that or he hasn't thought about any of this enough.
The reason why I wasn't answering the question because I couldn't. I couldn't remember what the verse was that I read in the Bible 5 years ago. I was going to explain why his question wasn't valid by the telling him the rest of the story which was almost finished but he was to fixated on that question and was completely ignoring what I was going to say.
Instead of constantly wanting to say something, you should have been answering the very simple questions he asked you. The way it went now was you came across as a little kid who couldn't have a decent conversation. The fact that you still blame Matt for your own deficiencies make you a little kid, sorry.
@@laughingbuddha2948 I didn't call to be interrogated by Matt. When I called, I clearly stated my intention for the call that I have something to share and put forward my experience .My journey got me to where I am now and if he wants, maybe he should adopt the approach and he will be able to see the truth as well. I didn't call to sell anybody anything.
@@hamidcoolboy You called to sell yourself, and treated the questions of Matt as an enemy. Look at the comments, everybody saw that. You are really childish if you insist hanging on to how you behaved. It takes a man to see his own limitations.
@@laughingbuddha2948 At 31:69 After Matt finishes, I clearly state why I have called. Matt could've stopped me there and tell me to offer and argument or that I couldn't continue and what's with constantly calling me childish? You think children cannot have reasonable discussions?
Jamie-CO. I have photographic proof of God's existence, and I've been sitting around doing nothing with it for the past six years, just waiting around for a chance to call an internet atheist show and talk about it, instead of, say, sharing it with every major media outlet in the world six years ago so that the whole world could know the truth.
Regarding Sam: I think it's sad when believers act rudely and arrogantly. I mean, wouldn't Jesus feel embarrassed by these people? Aren't they going against his teachings?
Yes! I agree! If they really believe they way they are saying, then the attitude is way off (of what Jesus would supposedly want) and they are not doing a very good job convincing others to their beliefs.
The notion that there is a "best way" to talk to theists is ridiculous. I have turned a lot more people atheist using ridicule than I have with trying to reason with them. In my opinion the only "best way" is whatever way forces them to think about it the most.
Yup, what works for one person doesn't work for another. Ridicule got me frustrated enough to really dig deeper into my beliefs to be able to better support them and I realized, "holy Batman, I really do believe some really dumb things," and began to actually care more.
what is the deal? why would a person need to have magic? Why is it so important to so many people needing a magical existence? I have had many wonderful and fun experiences without any magic involved.
"I feel sorry for you."
"You should feel sorry for me, because I get calls from the people like you."
Mic drop.
I know hahaha that was clever.
I'm listening to this at work and my coworker believes and he bursted out in laughter when Matt said that. My co worker is the type of believer I can deal with. He knows it isn't logical but he believes because it makes him feel like he understands the universe better. There's a lot to be said about that but at least he's honest.
And right after the "get to the part where you insult me"
Sheesh. I can picture Jaime with that characteristically Christian vacant-yet-smug holier-than-thou smile that indicates that there ain't nobody home.
Right?? Wow....lights are on....nobody's home.
@Denavio Leeks I'm an atheist who listens to conservative Christian radio on a daily basis, and I guarantee you there are people out there who are really that delusional.
Matt: "How many fingers am I holding up?"
Caller: "Okay. Well, the thing you have to know, if you let me continue a pointless, endless story, you see..."
"Give me five bees for a quarter, you'd say..."
"The important thing was that I had an onion on my belt, which was the style at the time..."
Jaime: "I saw god"
5 mins later
Jaime: "I see god everywhere"
@Skydaddy Myth-Busters 9? That's way too generous. I think she's best left outdoors with her dogs and goats.
PS does anyone process 35mm film anymore? Digital cameras became popular 25 yrs ago!!!
I think she needs a holiday in the 'special hotel' with padded rooms, very long-sleeved jackets and rubber cutlery.
"And I see a little bit of Elvis Presley in you!" ~ Sam Harris
What it looks like? It looks like god.
Can you describe it? It fits the description of god . Ok
You guys are much kinder than I am. What I heard is that Jamie has a book she wants to sell. Sounded to me like she was trying to use the show for free exposure.
@@letsomethingshine Elvis is in everyone... Except Michael J. Fox, the anti-Elivis.
IF Jamie emails you the photo of god, PLEASE show it to everyone.
The whole world would have no reason to deny God after everyone sees the face of God. Amen 🙏.
I hope it's toast
Gonna be a picture of some clouds 😆
@@nicolab2075 gotta buy the book to find out 😉
@@kiabvaj5656 have you ever seen the face of god, exile?
Matt: Are you a human, yes or no?
Caller: Well, lemme explain.
@Transisms R immoral probably because the explanations are fallacious.
@Transisms R immoral Nope. Not even close. Try again.
@Transisms R immoral Hey Atheistmoms Rchimps/Anime Atheistlove/Jim Kirk/Jimmy James/Jimmy Kirk/Disbeliefs Rdumb/Jim Brown/Atheist R Communist/Atheist hate Free Speech, that’s the third time I’ve seen that comment, so how many more threads will you be spamming?
@Transisms R immoral you really are reaching! Lol
@Transisms R immoral congratulations. You’ve written the the most cretinous thing I’ve read this week. 👏🏼
For crying out loud, can the callers answer ANY questions?
A caller wouldnt answer that either. I will, no they can not. They use faith for answers which is a clear way to avoid having real answers to shortcut themselves to authority to do violence on you for not obeying fake god crap
They're too concerned about doing a delicate dance to avoid falling into what they percieve as a trap. Of course, it's not meant as a trap; it's meant as an excercise to guide them through a rational process. It's just that they're afraid of where that process might lead, so they go into defense mode, or they just ignore the question and go on with their prepared speech.
My experience debating theists they never answer questions ignore everything you say/type.
And try to convince you the not verified is just as rational as axiomatic claims.
@@kowoh no wonder they so easily fall into science denial.
No. Oh, wait! I mean, "to answer this I'll have to go on a tangent..."
Matt: asks a simple yes/no question
caller: "Okay. God is everywhere."
...
and this is what religion does to your brain 🤦♂️
Splat!!!!
Take a look at Sam. He's probably the millionth Christian who does not understand what an analogy is. Which is extra ironic, because they'll always point to factual errors in the bible and say "they're parables, they're not supposed to be taken literally, they're like stories to make it easier for you to understand."
@@eddyeldridge7427 good point - perhaps it would help to adopt their language and say analogies are kind of atheist parables :D
@Nathaniel Yates
And yet it's only made my life better.
@Nathaniel Yates
Yes. That's how atheism made my life better. Because I'm an atheist.
I LOVE Matt Dillahunty and one of the reasons is because he knows how to handle callers like this first caller. I love the fact that Matt doesn't let him get away with nonsense and continually redirects when the caller tries to evade the question(s). The way this first caller was handled was pure awesome.
No, it wasn't awesome. It may have seemed awesome to you, and to other atheists, because Matt has his neat way of shutting down all theist callers which is based on the skeptical approach to how we establish what is true.
That is just one approach. If the theist callers words don't fit, then they are kicked to the kerb.
So, although it looks like the way Matt handled the first caller was awesome, it really wasn't awesome in regards to actual truth. I suspect what made you think it was awesome is that Matt looks clever and he leaves the theist looking idiotic but only because he has set up everything beforehand so any theist will appear to have "lost".
@@richardfraser5060
Dude no...... Did you listen to the call?
There was no conversation to be had there
Bu... bu.. but Matt is a meanie. Lol.
@@richardfraser5060 That was a lot of words for “the caller was obviously embarrassingly wrong.”
@@robertcarsten4050 Yeah in the atheist/skeptics mindset there's no conversation to be had. You've invented a world where you are safely protected from truth which you can't access from your limited skeptical approach to the whole of life.
Time to wake up and wean yourself off your mentor Matt D.
Jamie tripped on a cloud and fell about 8 miles high. She tore her mind on a jagged sky. She just called in to see what condition her condition was in. ;)
I wonder if she woke up this morning with the sundown shining in?
I wish I was that tuned into nature, with my goats and my dogs.
Her condition is in terrible shape from what she is saying.
Kenny Rodgers and the first edition. I got it, good one
Er, I was paraphrasing the classic Kenny Rogers and The First Edition song "Just Dropped In".
The smart theists stop calling because they know they can't prove or defend their beliefs. They left with these stupid callers trying to prove the impossible.
The worst are the ones who refuse to answer simple questions. And can't even put in simple words why they believe what they believe.
@@Oi.... So I actually thought it was worse 10 years ago or so. A lot of theists called who couldn't believe that atheism even existed, and then they asked questions like, "You doubt the historical accuracy of the bible, but you believe in gaad?" (no joke), or "You don't believe in god, but you believe in Jesus?" (no joke either). And the only argument from the rain dancers was, "lOOk aT tHe trEeS." There were fanatical christians calling who didn't even know what was in the Genesis, who didn't know that muslims are also abrahamites, and so on and so forth. In that respect, things have gotten a little better after all. I don't really see anything like that today anymore (?).
But, of course, only the quantity of arguments has increased. The quality of the theistic considerations has not changed.
I was thinking something similar, that after 15+years that those with critical-thinking and/or conversational skills don’t bother anymore, as why should they? They haven’t anything solid for thousands of years.
@@redmed10 The latter are the "I only am calling because my teenage son told me I should."
They really don't have anything to say, and when asked, "What do you believe and why?" they can't get past "I'm a Christian."
Why? They've never thought about it.
Now, hopefully when they get off the phone, their kid can say, look, you couldn't explain it so get off my back. But we never know. All we know is that the parent looks like an ignorant fool.
the program has had it's day, no reasonable arguments being made if there were or could ever have been made, now Matt is an unpaid psychologist for people off their meds and refusing therapy.
I love that instead of bleeping the prank caller at 48:37 with a standard tone, you used the sound of Shannon Q attempting to say "Flurgle blurgle". Nicely done. 👍😊
What did that person say? :o I'm pretty sure they're lying, but I'm intrigued.
Ba ba booie
@@FaiaHalo Ba Ba Booie
@@will-i-am386 they had to censor that? I'm confused
@@jaminelvers7250 same here...
For all the crap Matt gets about cutting people off, I was amazed at how much lattitude and time he gave Jamie. Surely it crossed his mind that she may also be a troll doing phone theater. However, if she is serious, this is potentially a very disturbed person and Matt and Mandisa both took the high road and were very kind and patient with her. Everyone should take note and remember this next time you hear "No no no, you're done."
“I think” is just a way to puke bullshit into the conversation.
I felt sorry for her. She seemed like a sweet, sincere, weak minded woman. She wasn't up to a logical defense. She doesn't even comprehend that.
I think Jamie was a genuine disturbed caller. That's why they were being gentle with her. I hope the ACA will reach out for her. She really needs help.
But that 'Matthew' thing really cracked me up last night.
If he feels the caller is genuine and honest and listens in return; if they actually want to have a conversation then Matt will give them time and patience and will talk through what you want. If the caller isn't, if they have a script to read or just want to preach then he is still more patient than I would be.
The correct response to Jamie would have been to say, "Send us the photo and we will bring you back to discuss it. There is no point in discussing a photo we haven't seen." End of discussion. On the other hand, it is possible that Sam actually had a point he wanted to make, and Matt didn't pursue it. When Sam said, "it is human nature to believe," Matt should have responded with, "Okay, but your human nature and my human nature have led us to believe diametrically opposed things, so how do you propose we resolve the difference?"
I just wanted to say even with the extra amount of trolls today, you both handled yourselves very well
Sam was hilarious! “I believe for the same reason you don’t believe”. Cool. Then you believe in god because there’s no demonstrations of it in any field, of any religion. Also he believes in god because there’s atrocities committed in the Bible, like slavery, genocide, fascism, dominionism, among other things.
He thought he had a really cool script, complete with “catchphrase” and redefining a term to suit his needs. “A belief is just when you have belief”. He wouldn’t even acknowledge that anyone was talking! When no matter what question you ask, the person arguing the position he wants you to have, isn’t changing or adapting to what been said it’s hopeless.
And I believe it's hopefull for the same reason that you believe it's hopeless. 😝
That means if there was evidence for a god, he won’t believe
That’s what I was thinking. I wish Matt had said “You believe in god because there is no good evidence he exists?”. I’m sure Sam would have replied with no. Then Matt we don’t have the same reason why you believe and I don’t.
Or he could have said “I don’t believe in a god because I’m not convinced he exists” then let the caller stumble on that one. Because you definitely can’t claim to believe in god, because you’re not convinced a god exists.
@@JarlGrimmToys I admire your optimism, but how many theists, answer a straight forward yes/no question,, with a straight forward yes or no?
Don't get me wrong. I like your approach and agree with your point.
@@JarlGrimmToys it wouldn't have worked. He just wanted to play word games. To me his arguemnt was we both believe things for bad reasons so were on the same level arguemnt. He said soemthing about it being "human nature" to believe things which was his "the same reasons". He was just arguing that Matt's disbelief is part of his nature like he believes is part of his nature and its not a choice or evidence based either way.
Back to the drawing board Hamid
How so?
Matt: It appears we lost Jaime
Mandisa: ...I think we lost Jaime during that conversation...
:D
Another one bites the dust
Another one bites the dust
And another one gone, and another one gone
Another one bites the dust
Hey, I'm gonna get you too
Another one bites the dust…
She was taken back to her padded cell
“I have to explain some more before I send you the photograph …”.
Translation: “I know the picture will be utterly unconvincing, so I have to preface it with a kind of spiritual mumbo-jumbo story to make it meaningful.” Nope. Next!
Exactly!
Exactly. That's what shows me she actually knew she was full of shit. She wasn't crazy, just narcissistic. She doesn't really believe her own bullshit.
Yeah. You know how "a picture is worth a thousand words"? But she needs a thousand words to explain her picture.
If you have a picture of God, just show the thing. Granted, that is going to result in the question of "How do you know it is God," and, unfortunately, "I could feel it" isn't going to be an acceptable answer (this is why Matt noted up front that the picture could never be proof of God, because it won't and can't pass that test). At one point, Jamie did say that the "points of light" or something like that were angels, but she didn't say what God looked like except to say that it was a cloud in man's image. But somehow it showed the triune god, father, son and holy spirt. Which begs the question of what the holy spirit looks like in order to show up in a picture.
I think they wasted too much time letting her ramble on, but they were right in the end to call her bluff. You have this picture of God. I don't need to know your stupid "journey" or that you were in a dark place, just show us the picture.
Naturally, she folded.
That call lasted at least 10 minutes to long.
I love the concept of "Beyond Belief", it's such a beautiful paradigm which reaches past religion and into everything we can. "Not Belief" is not a believer. Non-believers are NOT the opposite of believers, that is simply not in the same realm of existence. To believe in something that doesn't exist, is not the opposite for those of us that believe in things that do. It's an abstraction that has nothing to do with reality, to accept a "non existent" on "belief". Beyond belief is exactly this. Beyond belief is subjecting our minds to reality and what is. I love that Mandisa Thomas has chosen a title that promotes the frame of reference that the community is coming together about. Gr8! Peace ☮💜
And then the cloud said "Simba, remember who you are. You are my son, and the one true king".
"The cloud looked just James Earl Jones!"
Oh My cloud
She really did seem like she was going to be different at first... She was _different_ alright. She goes "35mm" after being asked if it was photo or video. That was your first clue. Two or three responses like that in... Yeah alright moonbeam, go check your dream catcher.
I have a photo of a cloud that looks like a turtle. Must be one of the turtles holding up the flat earth going on vacation....
@@hsw268 you just made a reference to disc world
How the hell does Jaime know what God even looks like when the Buybull says no one has ever seen God.
@@karfomachet7265 Sounds like bullshit.
Gawd is on the ceiling of the Sistine Chapel. Seen by millions. Very buff and not very friendly looking old white guy with a flowing beard. Somehow also as a burning shrub.
" when the Buybull says no one has ever seen God."
Depends what passages you read. Some passages say some people have seen god. Jacob even gets in a wrestling match with god ( god loses btw).
@@cnault3244 Moses got to see God's arse so I daresay he got a few free drinks out of that.
God looks like George Burns.
The first caller was just a goof. The second caller was on acid.
Drugs are bad mkay
@@LifeForUndead
That’s only bad drugs. Mkay.
Yea haha definitely dude
Hell yah! Thought the same thing! Pretty awesome
Acid is no excuse for shit logic . Especially 7 years later.
Jamie is proof that Colorado has the best weed. Lol
Smoke god every day
She makes me embarrassed to be from CO.
Omg it does trust me
Or she's not smoking and thats the issue
😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
The great Irish comedian Dave Allen used to refer to the Father, Son and Holy Ghost as Pop, Junior and Spooky. Needless to say the RC Church in Ireland were not amused.
Dave Allen was awesome....
@@t800fantasm2 I used to love his ghost stories: oh hell, I used to love all of his jokes. One of the most memorable was the Dalek font sketch.
@@kayb9979 My fave was the one about the guy who fell into the open grave taking a shortcut through the cemetery...
Sam tries the ole Jedi Mind trick.
Love to see Matt and Mandisa on!!
A cloud changing shape and form. LOL. No shiat, Sherlock. I like how Mandisa was holding back laughter.
...I don't know...clouds changing shapes is pretty irrefutable...
I saw that happen once. Then 50,000 times after that. Why am I a godless heathen? At daybreak I'm going cloud-worshipping.
She is genuinely a nice person, and ya she realized how fragile a person she was talking to.
"Cathy.... I lived through the call...." Matt Dillahunty
what did Cathy say to him at the end...they have edited it out
@@paulrichards6894 I uploaded it and exposed Matts dishonesty
@@dickdickerson789 obvious sociopath is obvious
I still can’t get my head around people who give credence to book that supports slavery, stoning disobedient children to death, condoning rape if money is paid to the father, and the girl as the marry her rapist. Calling for people to sell their daughters to slavery, and the many other immoral teachings in the book. Why all that does not put up a big red flag to believers is beyond me.
Its simple,there's a pay off and many don't even know the full bible,its bizarre.
Because they simply deny the Bible says those things.
@Skydaddy Myth-Busters . Yes I’m well aware of Psalm 137.9, and you’re right it is disgusting.
@Skydaddy Myth-Busters . One fool tried to excuse it, saying that the Canaanites were terrible disgusting people who needed to be wiped out. I said there is not one “decent” person on the planet who would believe that babies should be slaughtered regardless of how horrible and awful their parents were.
They focus so much on the idea that god is good, convince themselves he defines goodness, that where he seems not to be just isn't important. "All things work for the glory of god" mantras. Who are we to judge him?
It's a mixed bag of confirmation bias, affirmation through repetition, indoctrination, and overall just psychological terrorism.
You can't see it when you're in its grip, but study some epistemology, and psychological biases, and it falls apart.
Sam is a certified muppet.
I think they’re running out of muppet certificates on this show. There’s quite aching demand for them. On the other hand the muppets almost got their show on the road.
I saw the face of God in this cloud!
10 minutes later: Tornado destroyed town!
God doesn’t want to be on social media.
God uploaded himself into the cloud, like everything else these days
cloud selfies could become the rage
He must have used extremely large amount of terabytes !
😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
😂
Coming to a network near you: APS, Amazon Prayer Service, decentralized mass events facilitated by cloud technology. Pray everywhere you are and connect your thoughts to God in the cloud.
I have a picture of God, but I lost it! ☹️
Who knew god was a Canadian girlfriend that goes to a school no one has ever heard of.
Kat Kerr literally claims exactly that... 🤦♂️
Scroll up.
Swipe left.
Its still there somewhere...
Jamie reminds me of my mother. One of the sweetest kindness lovilest ladies you can ever hope to meet. But just like June her logic would cause a bishop to kick in a stained glass window!
Be honest, you stole that bishop line from Raymond Chandler. Not that there's anything wrong with that.
Stole it? It was one of my dad's favorites
I feel like Werner Herzog here. “They always choose story time. Why must they *always* go to ‘story time’. “
Mandisa is so calm and collected I love when she’s on :)
I admire Mandisa also.
I would also enjoy her being able to express herself more.
She should host a show or at least be on a show that is not dominated by Matt.
I really wanna see her go off on that Canadian bigot that calls in. He called when she was on asking if they thought black people were "being hunted in America" and always argues we are erasing history by tearing down southern slave owners who were traitors. Last time he called he said "I have absolutely no respect for Mandisa". I'm guessing because she is black and speaks out against bigotry.
Everyone is compared to matt lol
Poor Sam, that was embarrassing.
Indeed, prank call or otherwise.
@Nathaniel Yates you
are
amazingly
vapid.
Hamid-(UK): This will be quick and starts off with "I was born..." The rest was the usual nonsense.
I love Matt's new zen, I think it's way more productive. Hamid, though, is really putting it to the test. Simple questions, just answer them.
"We're both believers." Then neither one of us has any right to say what we believe is true. _Somewhere_ one of us has to have a reason the other doesn't 🤔
*""We're both believers." Then neither one of us has any right to say what we believe is true."*
That is one of the exact reasons why apologists attempt to frame atheism as requiring faith/belief.
So they can basically go "well, you don't have a better reason to not believe in Jebus than us believing in Jebus!"
@@cy-one except that our faith is typically proportional to the evidence.
@@coffeetalk924 You're equivocating two usages of the word "faith."
One which is based on the trust we place in phenomenons to continue to take place as they did. Like the trust you have that your charged phone will turn on when you press the power-button, or that your door will open when you unlock it with the proper key.
The other type of faith is the one where we wish things to be true, but have absolutely no factual evidence that they are. Like praying to a deity so we may get to go to a preferred afterlife after we die.
@@cy-one yes, I have confidence that the sun will rise tomorrow, based on observable, statistically reliable, repeatable, measurable, falsifiable evidence. Religious confidence (faith) is not based on the aforementioned qualities, but on unfalsifiable, anecdotal evidence, which is non-evidence and weak evidence respectively. I'm not equivocating in the slightest. My confidence is proportional to the evidence.
@@coffeetalk924 The way you said "faith is usually proportional to the evidence" in that circumstance made me assume you're a theist. My bad.
Fantastic show hosts and crew ❤️
Still deeply moved by Jamie's thought process, never heard anyone in person speak like that, heart breaking what theism does to the mind :(
It was a prank call, get over it.
@@LettersAndNumbers300 I really hope that is the case my friend, because if it isn't, she really needs help, and this theism stuff looked into from outsiders.
I hope you get over other peoples concerns regarding the well being of others.
Peace Lover Empathy
@@LettersAndNumbers300 "It was a prank call, get over it."
“I believe it is an established maxim in morals that he who makes an assertion without knowing whether it is true or false, is guilty of falsehood; and the accidental truth of the assertion, does not justify or excuse him.”
- Abraham Lincoln 1846
"The trouble with the world is that the stupid are cocksure and the intelligent are full of doubt.”
- Bertrand Russell
Congrats on 45k callers!! Congrats on being that caller, Cathy!!
Hamid honestly makes me angry.....he KNOWS he got nothing, he KNOWS whatever he says is crap and THATS why he refuses to answer the questions /sigh, wasted call IMO
Same with Sam.
No, Hamid is dumb as rocks. It’s that simple. He literally couldn’t answer a yes / no clarifying question
@Transisms R immoral life came to being because of god?
Ok, provide a METHOD, how do you know that it was god who made life?
How do you know that it eas YOUR god that made life?
Or are you trying to tell us that you only assert that it was god, your god, that made life, without any evidence backing it up?
@Transisms R immoral Hello Atheistmoms Rchimps/Anime Atheistlove/Jim Kirk/Jimmy James/Jimmy Kirk/Disbeliefs Rdumb/Jim Brown/Atheist R Communist/Atheist hate Free Speech, what happened to your last alt, as this one’s an hour old.
@Transisms R immoral look at him go tap dancing!
amazing tap dancing.
you are also excellent in beating bushes!
i asked a simple question.
do you have a method to prove that gods are real/not real?
we have a method to determine a reptile from a mammal
we have a method to determine an amphibian from a avian
do you have a method to differentiate a true god from a false god?
how do you know that right now you are not worshipping a false god?
by your words, you seem to admit that you do not possess a method to determine your god's existence/non existence.
why not just admit that you have been pulling shit out of you ass and assert it as true?
or are you going to continue lying for your non existent god?
Matt: I don't really need your whole life story.
Hamid: Right, OK. Well, when I was born, drivel, drivel, quack, blah...
Sam will be telling people at church how he owned Matt in a debate...
And in comments, I suspect.
The show is really going through a rough patch through no fault of Matt and crew. Most theists are afraid to call and present the same tired ole arguments for gods existence because they get eviscerated every time.
Instead we now get wimps/trolls like Sam and lunatics like Jamie.
Maybe the show could move towards a platform where longer conversations are able to be had with the more informed and knowledgeable theists on the other side of the aisle, even if it takes up the whole show. For me that would be more entertaining than listening to calls like Jamie’s and Sam’s.
Sing to the tune of the Tootsie Roll song “Whatever it is I think I see, looks like the Christian God to me” - Jamie
Slayer for me
hahahah
Has Jamie seen the photo of Jesus in a dog’s butt?
Very compelling.
Well… Dog backwards is god.
@@Nunyabizn3ss amen to that sister 🙏 🙏
@@Nunyabizn3ss Whoa. Jesus' face was on the dog's BACKSIDE. I get it now.
@@Nunyabizn3ss it’s an epiphany 🤣 i’m dying 🤣🤣🤣
Well, he is hole-y
"the concept of god makes sense.. it must be real"
Me being rich makes sense , so why ain't i...
You belief is not that strong, have you tried harder? 😂 😂
Yes lol
Because it is just not gods will.
@Nathaniel Yates Which god? what about this god do you love? Is it the starving children, the disease? what evidence do you have this god even loves you? or that it exists? Use the same standards of proof you would apply to anything else in your life...
Great job Matt & Mandisa.
"if I do not understand logic, then believe make sense to me" ~ 🤯
Get the credit card numbers of all callers and bill prank callers $50 to the aca.
Gaad was in Jaime? So he had his second coming?
Blessed be the fruit!
Matt: the Bible says no man has seen the face of God.
Jamie: I am no man!
Fitting comparison
"But Mathew, I'm a girrrl."
Macbeth has a similar punchline.
Aw man I shoulda thought to ask for a selfie with GOD when I was a christian kid.
23:55
And the cloud god wasn't in a shape you could perceive, but your 35mm hipster camera Was able to perceive its shape?
Literally incredible!
Hamid called the show to waste 20 minutes of everyones time saying absolutely nothing of significance.
That describes every theist who calls...
@@MrShigura some theists actually try to say something. Some proof, some logic, some concept. All inevitably fail, but that's not the point.
This guy had nothing. He played the "I was an atheist before" card and then had absolutely zero things to say.
What were you expecting? I explained at the beginning the intention of my call and that's what I tried to do. I don't think that I succeeded as I didn't finish my story. I'm still glad I called though. Let me know if you want to have a chat or you have questions.
@@hamidcoolboy I was expecting you to answer the very basic questions Matt was asking? If you phone up to a place, you should expect to have to answer questions and have a conversation.
@@davidh5020 Okay, all the questions which Matt asked would've been answered in the context of what I was going to explain after every time he asked a question. I tried really hard to find a common ground with him but he wants to dominate the whole time. That's not how a discussion works or should work IMHO. I suggest you watch the video again but from my perspective. I didn't call the show to prove anything or even argue but he turned it into an argument.
As I said on the show, I was there because I was atheist before and now I'm a theist. I was following all the atheist public figures and listened to their advocation of following reason and logic and now I'm here. Now you tell me where I went wrong?
Another week of theists completely embarrassing themselves mixed with prank calls.
Another week of yet no proof? *Has yet to watch*
@@PhoenixtheII One week God is going to show up. It’s why we still watch. 🤞
@@G_Demolished All of Heaven will be co-hosting that day, and Pascal will weep in his grave... unless he wagered even his grave away to attain a noodly appendage, which I have heard said by at least 500 that it is a price more infinite than an ocean of sensible wisdom.
Fine Entertainment. Pass me the popcorn.
@@G_Demolished God doesn't show up because he likes watching The Atheist Experience.
Paul from NC sounded suspiciously like Canadian Catholic.
"I believe for the same reason you don't believe", next time someone say that I will say "I don't believe because I have never seen any good evidence to believe" so you believe because you have never seen any good evidence? not a good reason is it?
“I realized the cloud was observing me!” Maybe she shouldn’t watch Nope 😂
I must say that the level of intelligence of most of these callers deflates me. The arguments are always so weak, and they continually try to validate a belief for which they cannot prove is valid.
Sadly, this is how it can be with many beliefs. When one comes to believe something without good evidence to support that belief. Gods, flat earth, spirit medicine, crystal healing, etc.
Vaccines and moon landing can be added to the belief list. What you want to believe isnt the same as proven adequately. We literally have people using argument from authority fallacy’s for these things and saying i saw it on tv and they called a guy on the moon from the white house… and the vax has not gone through 10 years of trials. It isnt science, these things are what you want to believe, they are not actually believed for good reason. Btw CGI pictures are not real sad to say the obvious but ppl actually think these nasa pics are real….
@@majormarketing6552 I mean that's what morons try to espouse. But most people who believe that stuff actually have the rudimentary understanding of the world to understand how a lot of this stuff works.
A common straw man used by people who don't understand science or the scientific method.
They are trying to bring the scientific method down to their internal method of believing whatever they want to be true.
@@AzaIndustries . Major marketing is obviously a conspiracy theorist.
@@majormarketing6552 The images of the moon landing were received by Australian earth stations then transmitted to NASA.
Hamid moves from germany to the uk;sorry to hear this!
I don't like it as much as Germany as well but It's not that bad.
"I have pictures of god!" "Can you show us?" "Well, I'm writing a book about a cloud I saw..." Uh huh...
Remember years ago when that woman said her proof of god was that her alarm clock suddenly had a different alarm one morning when she was half asleep, and it never did it again?
Touched by a Cloud: A Story about Rain
@@daheikkinen 'Cloudy with a Chance of Nutbags'
She sounds a lot like my aunt. She is why we screen our calls.
@@Zachorazor1 Haha!
Am I reading too much into Jamie insisting on calling Matt "Matthew"?
Idk but I felt similarly. I don't think it was a coincidence that she chose his full name because it's "biblical"
The magical thinking of theists like Jamie is mostly all-encompassing, so it includes belief in spells and magical rituals. As we all know from fairy tales and horror stories, the details are very important in such magic tricks. One wrong rune in the chalk circle and already not the hoped for demon from Babylon comes, but one has merely conjured up a venereal disease for the neighbor. For Jamie, saying Matthew instead of Matt certainly has great significance, as she attaches magical meaning to the word "Matthew" because he is a member of the fictional biblical staff. You can see this well here in the comment section too, when the trolls insist on writing certain words in capital letters because they are convinced that by writing them that way, they are summoning magical beings. 👻
Matthew is his *Christian* name. It's so much more *spiritual* to use his full name.
@@joeincal3125 What is "spiritual"? 😂
It was obnoxious. It's passive-aggressive condescension.
Sam and his fellow travelers should really consider that if the most charitable explanation for their behavior is that they're time-wasting, low-effort trolls, then they've probably made more than a few wrong turns to get to where they are. 'Cause if he was serious, I'm just embarrassed for him.
Didn't know Mandisa. Nice to meet you. What a lovely person.
Need to have her on more often.
Matt showing too much patience this week... 😆😆
...Mandisa was on so he had to behave...
Why did Jamie call? She’s writing a book. Why won’t she share the photos? Buy her book and you can see them!
Kudos to Matt on how he handled Sam. I've criticized Matt recently over how he has handled certain calls in the past. Nice one Matt, you stayed calm and dealt with him.
I really like the Matt we saw in this episode. I hesitate to judge him because I would probably have far less patience if I had to deal with the bs he deals with constantly but I do prefer it when he is patient and calm.
Easy to judge from home.
Expertise in one field does not carry over into other fields, but experts often think so. The narrower their field of knowledge, the more likely they are to think so. - Robert Heinlein
Someone please keep Jamie away from small children. And animals, plants, and furniture.
She has goats and dogs.
@@tkat6442 Well, that such a photo of gaad naturally requires at least a few blood sacrifices in advance should be obvious to everyone. Let's not be too petty about it.
@@tkat6442 Yes! Call the ASPCA! 🐐
@@SevenOfNineteen The reason Jamie has goats is to have blood sacrifices.
@@tkat6442 I’m sure Jamie is convinced her goats and dogs talk to her
"this god is pure love" if it's a cloud it's pure water
I don’t think Cathy or Sam where prank callers. I just think that this is simply the state of theists arguments today when put under scrutiny.
@@ookeekthelibrarian cool, I’ll look into it and if so, I’ll edit my comment.
@@ookeekthelibrarian Some think Sam was a prank too. I do not. Do you?
@@justinfoulds7804 agree. I gave that upload a view before the I had a chance to see the Librarian's comment on this. Punks like this are just shitting on the whole conversation, not doing anything positive for theists either.
Sam wasn't a prank caller. he was just an arrogant blowhard who thinks he came up with something clever.
He hasn't, but that's relgiion for you.
HOLY PAREIDOLIA!
(quite literally)
Sam - lol
Jaime - lol
GBTX - that was decent!
Cathy - lol
Hamid - lol
Paul - lol (and calm down!)
Luke - pretty tame
Agreed!
"Look at the trees!!!" Is somehow more convincing after Jamie's story 🤦♂️🤦♀️🤦
"Look at the trees" is only convincing to druids.
"Stop running when no one is chasing you" is the best comeback to that type of behavior I've heard in some time.
I didn't get what he meant by that. Would you explain please?
@@hamidcoolboy It relates to the behavior of assuming ill intent to a question a person is asking, even though the person has been honest and patient during the talk. So instead of answering they try to reiterate an early point or try to move past it. This generally happens between people with conflicting ideas.
@@xTooFunx Thanks for your explanation.
@John Wood It didn't feel like that though but I thought that Matt completely missed my point and was asking a question which was irrelevant to the point I was trying to make. Thanks for replying.
@@hamidcoolboy You're hamid the caller? Did you understand the point about your god concept not necessarily reflecting reality no matter how much sense it makes to you?
Like clearly JRR Tolkien had a clear concept of middle earth, but middle earth isn't real.
Luke: can you pretend to believe in gods?
I suspend my disbelief to watch marvel movies.
These theists are just so intellectually dishonest. I don't understand how Matt is so patient. Listening to Hamid was extremely frustrating.
There's me thinking for all these years that the long bearded guy sat ON the cloud playing his harp.....So now we know he IS the cloud itself !!!
Getting final fantasy 7 flashbacks
If Sam is not a prank caller then he could well be the dumbest person on the face of the earth…and that is the most respectful way I can describe him.
You forgot arrogant
@@flowingafterglow629 and prick.
What was the point of Matt's insinuation that he wasn't good enough to host Talk Heathen yet? Are there any animosities there?
...obviously...
@@dericanslum1696 Do you know more? :)
Its a joke.
The point was that Mandisa was on TH and Matt wasn't, and that is because Matt is not worthy of being a host on that show and she is.
It was a compliment to Mandisa's awesomeness and self-deprecation by Matt.
It's not all that complicated.
🎶I don't wanna come back down from this cloud🎶
-Jamie
Another week without god proof. How unsurprising.
We're all still waitingm
If it ever happened it would be headline news all over the world.
There's never any proof, they almost never respond to questions honestly, there's the delay, but all this is infinitely better than trying to communicate with a god. It's almost as if there isn't one....
I thought people just listen for the stupid callers because it’s amusing
I've seen clouds of godzilla, therefore godzilla is the true God
As his name says, GODzilla.
Again, still think it should be a case in the terms and conditions, if you call in to make a prank call, you agree to have your number and details posted.
I'm willing to bet Jamie has photos of mermaids, unicorns, and Martians, too. The unicorn photos even have glitter. 🦄🧜♀️🤖👻
@@ookeekthelibrarian "glow-in-the-dark 3D last supper" 😂 How are you, friend? I hope healthy? Got all shots? 😃
@@ookeekthelibrarian I remember you was moving ... I'm fine and so are friends & family, thank you :)
I also had all my shots some weeks ago, everything went well, no side effects at all.
My financial situation has also recovered, business is coming back as the cultural business here is finally really taking off. At last, riding in cabs again and buying mountains of cake. 😆🍰🍰🍰😋
@@ookeekthelibrarian 🥂 Thanks & Cheers!
So a while back, I was catching up on my Logicked videos, and he had spent some time covering videos by some woman in the south (according to her accent) who had poor quality videos of things like rain falling or birds flying by that she would do some major editing (compress, expand, go negative, whatever) and then claim it was evidence of alien spaceships. She would do this with low-res fixed webcam footage she could find on the internet from random places, like a lighthouse or something. Her videos were basically her with her camera phone going "Look at that, y'all, can you believe that?" And Logicked would just grab the video, zoom in and show, "Hey, it's a bird"
We used to see these "anomalies" on the videos for a Nest cameras (when it recorded the videos for us). They were just moths flying by. But someone like that idiot would break it down and claim it was visitors from outer space.
There were a lot of people in the comments that suggested she find some help for her mental illness problems. Granted, they weren't very productive, but it's clear she was out there.
The dump thing is her youtube channel had something like 100K subscribers. There are actually people who want to see nonsense like that. Seriously, she took video when it was raining and then saw streaks and thinks it is profound.
So, Sam believes in god because there has never, in the history of the world, been any evidence presented for a god or gods?
So pure love was watching Jamie from a cloud and then she saw pure love in the form of something undefinable in a cloud that did and did not represent a face of a God that has no face and yet she has photos of the whole thing. Preeeetttty darn aaaamaaaazing.
Hamid's call was frustrating. I don't know if it was a language barrier or what, but he did that classic refuse-to-answer-because-I-know-the-answer-is-a-fallacy shtick. Either that or he hasn't thought about any of this enough.
The reason why I wasn't answering the question because I couldn't. I couldn't remember what the verse was that I read in the Bible 5 years ago. I was going to explain why his question wasn't valid by the telling him the rest of the story which was almost finished but he was to fixated on that question and was completely ignoring what I was going to say.
Instead of constantly wanting to say something, you should have been answering the very simple questions he asked you. The way it went now was you came across as a little kid who couldn't have a decent conversation. The fact that you still blame Matt for your own deficiencies make you a little kid, sorry.
@@laughingbuddha2948 I didn't call to be interrogated by Matt. When I called, I clearly stated my intention for the call that I have something to share and put forward my experience .My journey got me to where I am now and if he wants, maybe he should adopt the approach and he will be able to see the truth as well. I didn't call to sell anybody anything.
@@hamidcoolboy You called to sell yourself, and treated the questions of Matt as an enemy. Look at the comments, everybody saw that. You are really childish if you insist hanging on to how you behaved. It takes a man to see his own limitations.
@@laughingbuddha2948 At 31:69 After Matt finishes, I clearly state why I have called. Matt could've stopped me there and tell me to offer and argument or that I couldn't continue and what's with constantly calling me childish? You think children cannot have reasonable discussions?
Jamie-CO. I have photographic proof of God's existence, and I've been sitting around doing nothing with it for the past six years, just waiting around for a chance to call an internet atheist show and talk about it, instead of, say, sharing it with every major media outlet in the world six years ago so that the whole world could know the truth.
Similar to other trolls and their “incontrovertible scientific evidence for god”.
I wish my alien mate, Sporg, would stop buzzing these goat hearders. in his defense, he tells me he has hardly done it in over 2000 years
a goat hearder? Sure, I have heard of goats, I have heard goats bleat. I have never herded a herd of goats...
Mandisa is awesome. I hope the black non believers org blows up and grows worldwide.
Hamid-(UK) | The Concept Of God Makes NO Sense...It Must Be NOT Real
Yeah well said. That's the point I was trying to make.
Mandisa's expressions are gold.
Cloud damn it!
Regarding Sam: I think it's sad when believers act rudely and arrogantly.
I mean, wouldn't Jesus feel embarrassed by these people? Aren't they going against his teachings?
@@thedukeofnuts He may have been a prank. But I have heard many that were not.
Yes! I agree! If they really believe they way they are saying, then the attitude is way off (of what Jesus would supposedly want) and they are not doing a very good job convincing others to their beliefs.
The notion that there is a "best way" to talk to theists is ridiculous. I have turned a lot more people atheist using ridicule than I have with trying to reason with them. In my opinion the only "best way" is whatever way forces them to think about it the most.
Yup, what works for one person doesn't work for another.
Ridicule got me frustrated enough to really dig deeper into my beliefs to be able to better support them and I realized, "holy Batman, I really do believe some really dumb things," and began to actually care more.
what is the deal? why would a person need to have magic? Why is it so important to so many people needing a magical existence? I have had many wonderful and fun experiences without any magic involved.