Best sharpening resource on the internet. If you watch a number of neeves videos and practice, you will become the guy everyone gives their knives to for sharpening…. I’m that guy. It’s a good guy to be. Life skill
Maybe this is the key, I've bought lansky, whetstones, diamond stones, diamond strops 500hrs of you tube videos and 500hrs of swearing and cursing and still can't cut paper. Maybe I need to take up smoking
Lifting the back to a certain height (with coins or marked finger), gives significantly different angles, depending on the width of the blade. As for wedges, they don't give the claimed angle. They give that angle, plus the angle of the primary bevel.
@@ZarlanTheGreen trigonometry! Using sine rule: sin(angle) = opposite / hypotenuse In this case, opposite is the height of the stack of quarters, and hypotenuse is the length of the angle finder. In the video, he says 8 quarters is roughly 16.75 degrees, and this is his preferred reference. We can then calculate his angle finder is a bit over 48.6mm (1.91 in) long (though this depends on the positioning of the coin stack under the angle finder). The Spyderco knife he demonstrates with looks to be about 30mm (1.18 in) at its widest. This would give a sharpening angle of greater than 27 degrees! If you watch the video carefully, you’ll notice he isn’t actually sharpening the Manix 2 XL at 27 degrees, so what gives? When he demonstrates using the coins to find the angle on the knife, he actually shows us two different angles - first, what not to do, and then what to do. In the first instance, he just stacks the knife on top of the coins - this would give the calculated 27 degrees. Then he offsets the coin stack height by half the thickness of the knife. This would give pretty much bang-on 17 degrees. However, if you did the same technique with a chefs knife, you’d have to add a couple coins to keep yourself at 17 degrees. Interestingly, this effect probably helps you more than hinders you, because you likely want your chef knife to have a more aggressive angle than your pocket knife anyway! Overall, I’d say that for pocket knives of around the same size, 8 quarters - half knife width is perfectly fine, remove a quarter or two for smaller knives. Don’t worry about the angle itself at first, consistency is far more important (as stated in the video). Also I’m sad I didn’t manage to work a “rule of thumb” joke in here somewhere.
@@kand198 At no point, in any of what you said, do you explain how any aspect of the dimensions of the angle finder, is in any way relevant. Or why you'd bother calculating its length. Also, the only relevant mathematical issue, is that the angle is based on the sides of the triangle. Exactly how you calculate it, what equations you'd use, is irrelevant to the issue we're talking about.
Jared I've learned everything I know about sharping from. You , big thx you . I'm about to start in freehand just for the F... of it I'm using a tsprof K03 pro and I've JUST received my veneev stones from Ukraine TODAY , Can you recommend how to clean and flatten them ? I don't know what grits to use on glass plate , I have the F240/400 and F800/1200, Don't mean to high jack the vid , sorry
That's awesome yes get a conditioning stone I will put one in description, use that every so often, and later on you can get some Silicon carbide powder to re set them it will be a year before you need that if you buy the conditioning stone
The thing about using quarters for angles is the taller your blade is, the shallower that angle is actually going to be. I used to be a machinist until I got hurt, but whenever I used angle gage blocks I had to do some quick trigonometry to figure out how tall the stack needed to be to get the right angle. So using coins isn’t really that accurate. But I guess if you’re using the same stack of coins for the same blades every time, I guess you’ll be consistent enough to get the same angle over and over again.
Very good tutorial! Good presentation.., and I’m sure this will help many folks move along the learning curve to get really nice edges! Thanks very much!
Hey Jerad, I'm learning to freehand sharpen and I have Atoma diamond stones 140, 400 and 600 and 2 ceramic Spyderco stones and a white and a brown ceramic, I know I need to add more stuff as well, but I was wondering what would be a good first time Venev resin bonded stone if I can find one, any suggestions would be greatly appreciated
The Stroppy Stuff honing oil works so so good on Resin bonded and metallic bonded stones. I HIGHLY recommend getting some if you use Resin & metallic bonded stones.
The top of your car window can also be used for honing. For cleaning ceramic rods or ceramic stones, use a green scrubbie pad with dish soap & water - run it under slow trickle of water from faucet while wiping stone using medium to light pressure & it washes away all of the metal - works great.
Always enjoy the tips and tricks vids as even if you've been sharpening for a long time there is always more to learn. Thanks for the great vid and keep making sharp things fun and enjoyable.
Angle the stone and keep the blade parallel to the table, 180 degrees. It's a good trick to maintain the angle, especially on stones that we don't use water. Use your cell phone to find the angle of the stone.
I'm commenting before I watch the whole video, so maybe this gets addressed. Your quarter trick depends completely on the width of the blade, measured from edge to spine. You cannot consistently guess angle using that trick for different sized knives.
Hello sir! I am quite new to the folder/edc fixed blade world but I’ve been HEAVY in the kitchen knife realm for many many years. I have a lot of questions about the way everyone (seemingly) sharpens folders/fixed blades vs. the way we do things in the kitchen knife world. Is there a way for me to ask you some long form questions?
Yet again giving away some of the secrets of the trade if you haven’t got all the right stuff. Jerad you’re a genuine nice guy. Unless someone gets in your fade then you have the community’s permission to slap that person back into place😂 and we know that even then you will not bother. Wishing you and Kara a beautiful week and stay safe and healthy both🫵🏻😘👍🏼
Does the size of the burr matter? Like is it better for it to feel very prominent or closer to just noticable? Or should you start with a large burr and make it smaller with each stone? I feel like I'm not flipping the burr so much as grinding it off and creating a new one each time, even with doing a backwards pass before.
I recently attempted to sharpen a knife for the first time. The edge seems to be very sharp. I've noticed when cutting through fairly thick printer paper the edge of the paper curls up like a ribbon. I'm curious if this is good or bad and what is causing it?
I use Barkeepers friend on my ceramics and my Venev stones, and I prefer to sharpen with my stones hand held. I do all but my big fixed blades like that.
Hi ! I have always sharpened my knives by hand, without help and without calculating the angle. With practice, this comes very quickly, you naturally feel which angle is best. I started doing it with knives that weren't very valuable and, little by little, I was able to sharpen all the blades I wanted. I never wanted to resort to outside help, I wanted to feel things for myself and ultimately see if the knife was sharp. The tips in this video are all great! I also use water with dish soap and love holding the stone as well as the leather on my lower hand and forearm. I have never managed to sharpen a small blade by holding it with both hands, except for axes or hatchets, obviously. Today, after hours of patience, I manage to sharpen blades with cheap stones found on Chinese sites. And the result is a razor sharp blade. It's not so much the quality of the stone, it's the training on inexpensive knives, so as not to be afraid of damaging them and refine our technique with complete peace of mind. 🤠🖖
So I used to charge a based price depending on what kind of Sharpening it was, which worked out because some are easier than others so they evened out. But eventually I did have to start raising prices on thickness of edge, because people would send in knives that were Brutally thick. Damages didn't really matter much because I just used a belt grinder to remove them then go to the stone. Which you will need at some point. Some companies base on length, I didn't like that ad long as it was under 12 to 13 inches or so. But edge thickness is the most important and most time consuming. I had the luck on knowing so many knives so well to know just by the name, bland after handling so many I can look at a knife in many cases and tell how thick it is.
@@NeevesKnives gotcha. Thanks. What is your base price right now? There aren’t a lot of sharpening services that I was able to find in my area. The one I found that lists their prices was charging $20/knife.
I was wondering, does a person absolutely need a resin bonded stone to avoid carbide tear out on magnacut steel? Also, what numerical percentage of carbides is considered for a “high carbide steel”?
You can't use soap on Shapton Kuromaku, it will damage the stone. Water only. It says it right on the wrapper on the English version. Everything else is good to go as far as I know.
Great tips! If you’re very particular about your angle, the length of your cardboard matters. So will the height of the blade. A small blade pocket knife will have a higher angle than a chef’s knife when stacked on top of 8 quarters.
I wouldnt have associated angle numbers with the quarter trick, If the trick is to help with consistency not exact angle measurements then the only thing adding numbers does is add confusion. The "height" of the blade (distance from edge to spine) youre sharpening will drastically change the angle you are sharpening at given the same 9 quarters that are reccomended
Dammit! Just got done sharpening my new shirogorov with a battery. Only took 18 hours and it's Almost sharp enough to cut through an apple and still got a bit of blade left! Wish i saw this first
I've heard barkeepers friend (a brand we don't have here), is bad for cleaning diamond plates, as it makes nickel brittle. Might not be an issue on ceramics, though, I suppose.
Or you could simply purchase the Lansky Diamond stone angle sharpener kit @ $49.99 with the fine, medium, and coarse stone set. It's all you need for an excellent hair popping edge. I LOVE mine and t eliminates the guesswork along with all the knives you'll destroy and scratch the crap outta the blade, while learning to freehand sharpen,....and you will!! How you sharpen your knives doesn't matter,..only the results of it do.
Many times over the years i have been at a friend's house for a cook out, or birthday, and their kitchen knives where dull. They always complain about it while preparing the food, but while giving me(the only adult woth a knife) a sideways look. Then i would tune up their knofe on a coffee cup, or a car window, and it would cut better. Then time to cut open presents with tap and zip ties- no other man in the room with a knife, and they cannot find their scissors. I always dread how many friends i will lose when the apocalypse comes for us all.
The coffee cup thing was ridiculous lol. Tha5s a far stretch. More than likely it just makes things worse. Go spend 80$ and get a good 2000 grit Kuromaku stones and if u want extra credit go get a leather strop and 4 MKM diamond emulsion.
Surly you realize that the distance from spine to stone will change with the width of the blade.... oh, okay I beard my concern covered in the background while typing. Carry on, now what did I miss...
I refuse to believe that you think that the angle numbers for a pocket knife and for a machete are both the same if you use the same stack of quarters. You can't possibly NOT realize that the angle changes drastically unless the blade is the same width as the angle finder! ... but I'm only 1 minute in, so maybe you are really that dense and I just don't know it yet,
Secondly, if your using soap and water spend $30 and get Honeright water additive and put that in your soap mixture. It will prevent any corrosion and or rust. Most diamond stones won't rust unless you SOAK them and don't dry them but some will and once corrosion starts you cannot stop it. The stone is basically trash. So the honeright will last years and it keeps all your expensive stones looking brand new
Best sharpening resource on the internet. If you watch a number of neeves videos and practice, you will become the guy everyone gives their knives to for sharpening…. I’m that guy. It’s a good guy to be.
Life skill
I also enjoy being that guy.
I always sharpen with a smoke dangling from my lips. It helps.
I understand
Lol I have a smoke or two also. But hanging from my mouth, the smoke gets in my eye. Lol
Hahaha
Maybe this is the key, I've bought lansky, whetstones, diamond stones, diamond strops 500hrs of you tube videos and 500hrs of swearing and cursing and still can't cut paper. Maybe I need to take up smoking
I chew grizzly green, and spit on the stone, just a hack for me.
Lifting the back to a certain height (with coins or marked finger), gives significantly different angles, depending on the width of the blade. As for wedges, they don't give the claimed angle. They give that angle, plus the angle of the primary bevel.
Absolutely
Right - the stack was that angle because of the size of his angle finder
@@celstark The angle finder? How would the size of that, have anything to do with anything?
@@ZarlanTheGreen trigonometry! Using sine rule:
sin(angle) = opposite / hypotenuse
In this case, opposite is the height of the stack of quarters, and hypotenuse is the length of the angle finder.
In the video, he says 8 quarters is roughly 16.75 degrees, and this is his preferred reference.
We can then calculate his angle finder is a bit over 48.6mm (1.91 in) long (though this depends on the positioning of the coin stack under the angle finder).
The Spyderco knife he demonstrates with looks to be about 30mm (1.18 in) at its widest. This would give a sharpening angle of greater than 27 degrees!
If you watch the video carefully, you’ll notice he isn’t actually sharpening the Manix 2 XL at 27 degrees, so what gives?
When he demonstrates using the coins to find the angle on the knife, he actually shows us two different angles - first, what not to do, and then what to do.
In the first instance, he just stacks the knife on top of the coins - this would give the calculated 27 degrees.
Then he offsets the coin stack height by half the thickness of the knife. This would give pretty much bang-on 17 degrees.
However, if you did the same technique with a chefs knife, you’d have to add a couple coins to keep yourself at 17 degrees. Interestingly, this effect probably helps you more than hinders you, because you likely want your chef knife to have a more aggressive angle than your pocket knife anyway!
Overall, I’d say that for pocket knives of around the same size, 8 quarters - half knife width is perfectly fine, remove a quarter or two for smaller knives. Don’t worry about the angle itself at first, consistency is far more important (as stated in the video).
Also I’m sad I didn’t manage to work a “rule of thumb” joke in here somewhere.
@@kand198 At no point, in any of what you said, do you explain how any aspect of the dimensions of the angle finder, is in any way relevant. Or why you'd bother calculating its length.
Also, the only relevant mathematical issue, is that the angle is based on the sides of the triangle. Exactly how you calculate it, what equations you'd use, is irrelevant to the issue we're talking about.
Jared I've learned everything I know about sharping from. You , big thx you .
I'm about to start in freehand just for the F... of it I'm using a tsprof K03 pro and I've JUST received my veneev stones from Ukraine TODAY , Can you recommend how to clean and flatten them ? I don't know what grits to use on glass plate , I have the
F240/400 and F800/1200, Don't mean to high jack the vid , sorry
That's awesome yes get a conditioning stone I will put one in description, use that every so often, and later on you can get some Silicon carbide powder to re set them it will be a year before you need that if you buy the conditioning stone
The thing about using quarters for angles is the taller your blade is, the shallower that angle is actually going to be. I used to be a machinist until I got hurt, but whenever I used angle gage blocks I had to do some quick trigonometry to figure out how tall the stack needed to be to get the right angle. So using coins isn’t really that accurate. But I guess if you’re using the same stack of coins for the same blades every time, I guess you’ll be consistent enough to get the same angle over and over again.
We learned to sharpen our knives watching your vids mate. You save us a lot of time & money. Thank you, Jared. Hi Kara.! Cheers from Australia.
Holding and moving the stone was always easier for me, especially on small field sharpeners that you need to hold in hand!
Man as always preaching and teaching and im all ears and eyes
Awesome tips !! Ideas that are practicle 👍
Another great video. Thanks Jared
Very good tutorial! Good presentation.., and I’m sure this will help many folks move along the learning curve to get really nice edges! Thanks very much!
Hey Jerad, I'm learning to freehand sharpen and I have Atoma diamond stones 140, 400 and 600 and 2 ceramic Spyderco stones and a white and a brown ceramic, I know I need to add more stuff as well, but I was wondering what would be a good first time Venev resin bonded stone if I can find one, any suggestions would be greatly appreciated
Outstanding ! Thanks for putting these all in one video.
Great tips! I’m new at stone sharpening, so I need all the help that I can get. Thank you!
The Stroppy Stuff honing oil works so so good on Resin bonded and metallic bonded stones. I HIGHLY recommend getting some if you use Resin & metallic bonded stones.
so simple, and so plausible! You got the best tips!
The top of your car window can also be used for honing. For cleaning ceramic rods or ceramic stones, use a green scrubbie pad with dish soap & water - run it under slow trickle of water from faucet while wiping stone using medium to light pressure & it washes away all of the metal - works great.
Great video Jerad! All great advice! I never thought to use a finger on the rod.
Always enjoy the tips and tricks vids as even if you've been sharpening for a long time there is always more to learn. Thanks for the great vid and keep making sharp things fun and enjoyable.
Thanks Jared, always appreciate your tips Brother. Seen you knife on Tristate today and it looks like Mean Slicing Machine
🔥🔥🔥😎
Yeah buddy it was a great video glad he checked it out
Great video!! So many great tips that can benefit the new and experienced sharpener
Angle the stone and keep the blade parallel to the table, 180 degrees. It's a good trick to maintain the angle, especially on stones that we don't use water.
Use your cell phone to find the angle of the stone.
I'm commenting before I watch the whole video, so maybe this gets addressed. Your quarter trick depends completely on the width of the blade, measured from edge to spine. You cannot consistently guess angle using that trick for different sized knives.
Excellent. Thanks for sharing rhis knowledge
What knife is that with the hollow grind for removing burr tip????
Please , thank you!
Hello sir!
I am quite new to the folder/edc fixed blade world but I’ve been HEAVY in the kitchen knife realm for many many years. I have a lot of questions about the way everyone (seemingly) sharpens folders/fixed blades vs. the way we do things in the kitchen knife world.
Is there a way for me to ask you some long form questions?
Yeah you can hit me up on Instagram, I also have hundreds of sharpening videos in my sharpening playlist
Thanks brother I'm gonna try the convex hack cuz i need to figure out the convex better
Thanks Jared
may i ask where u got that scales on spyderco?
Yet again giving away some of the secrets of the trade if you haven’t got all the right stuff. Jerad you’re a genuine nice guy. Unless someone gets in your fade then you have the community’s permission to slap that person back into place😂 and we know that even then you will not bother. Wishing you and Kara a beautiful week and stay safe and healthy both🫵🏻😘👍🏼
This is good information that people need to know, thanks for sharing 👍
Does the size of the burr matter? Like is it better for it to feel very prominent or closer to just noticable? Or should you start with a large burr and make it smaller with each stone? I feel like I'm not flipping the burr so much as grinding it off and creating a new one each time, even with doing a backwards pass before.
Great tips! Thanks
That is badass. All of it. Thank you so much.
I recently attempted to sharpen a knife for the first time. The edge seems to be very sharp. I've noticed when cutting through fairly thick printer paper the edge of the paper curls up like a ribbon. I'm curious if this is good or bad and what is causing it?
I use Barkeepers friend on my ceramics and my Venev stones, and I prefer to sharpen with my stones hand held. I do all but my big fixed blades like that.
Hi ! I have always sharpened my knives by hand, without help and without calculating the angle. With practice, this comes very quickly, you naturally feel which angle is best.
I started doing it with knives that weren't very valuable and, little by little, I was able to sharpen all the blades I wanted.
I never wanted to resort to outside help, I wanted to feel things for myself and ultimately see if the knife was sharp.
The tips in this video are all great!
I also use water with dish soap and love holding the stone as well as the leather on my lower hand and forearm.
I have never managed to sharpen a small blade by holding it with both hands, except for axes or hatchets, obviously.
Today, after hours of patience, I manage to sharpen blades with cheap stones found on Chinese sites.
And the result is a razor sharp blade.
It's not so much the quality of the stone, it's the training on inexpensive knives, so as not to be afraid of damaging them and refine our technique with complete peace of mind.
🤠🖖
If you've sharpened a knife multiple times in the past tip to heel can you reverse it for your next sharpen or is that bad?
I’ve been thinking about starting a knife sharpening service as a side hustle to make a little extra money. How do you determine how much to charge?
So I used to charge a based price depending on what kind of Sharpening it was, which worked out because some are easier than others so they evened out. But eventually I did have to start raising prices on thickness of edge, because people would send in knives that were Brutally thick. Damages didn't really matter much because I just used a belt grinder to remove them then go to the stone. Which you will need at some point. Some companies base on length, I didn't like that ad long as it was under 12 to 13 inches or so. But edge thickness is the most important and most time consuming. I had the luck on knowing so many knives so well to know just by the name, bland after handling so many I can look at a knife in many cases and tell how thick it is.
@@NeevesKnives gotcha. Thanks. What is your base price right now? There aren’t a lot of sharpening services that I was able to find in my area. The one I found that lists their prices was charging $20/knife.
Great video as always brother, thanks!
I was wondering, does a person absolutely need a resin bonded stone to avoid carbide tear out on magnacut steel?
Also, what numerical percentage of carbides is considered for a “high carbide steel”?
Wouldn't you have to mark the knife to where you lined it up w the quarters also?
Great video. Only thing I'll say is science of sharp has shown dragging the edge though wood or cork only smashes the burr and doesn't remove it
Great video, I cant thank you enough !
Those scales are nice. The Rex45 manix is a more Lazer beam than knife.
Thank you...
Everything you just showed is why I HATE thumbstuds on blades! Just "gets in the way"..excellent video!
I like the soapy water hack, in going to try that.
I use the middle of my finger/thumb for small knives and the top of my thumb/first joint on my finger for larger knives
What's the solution soapy like he sprays on stone ?
What’s the knife from the thumbnail??
You can't use soap on Shapton Kuromaku, it will damage the stone. Water only. It says it right on the wrapper on the English version. Everything else is good to go as far as I know.
Great tips! If you’re very particular about your angle, the length of your cardboard matters. So will the height of the blade. A small blade pocket knife will have a higher angle than a chef’s knife when stacked on top of 8 quarters.
Length of all this stuff matters. Place your angle finder at different spots on the quarters makes different angles. It's not fool proof.
I just pick what feels right and go with it. After that i can feel when im at the right angle.
8 quarters?!? I don't have that kind of money. I have a knife collecting habit!
Ajax or Comet to clean ceramic rod.
great video the coin trick is really cool, but also ill stick to water, no soap, 1 less toxins for me.
I wouldnt have associated angle numbers with the quarter trick, If the trick is to help with consistency not exact angle measurements then the only thing adding numbers does is add confusion. The "height" of the blade (distance from edge to spine) youre sharpening will drastically change the angle you are sharpening at given the same 9 quarters that are reccomended
Btw using liquids(water, soap, oil) helps to cut metals effectively. Not only to remove particles or cooling
Dammit! Just got done sharpening my new shirogorov with a battery. Only took 18 hours and it's Almost sharp enough to cut through an apple and still got a bit of blade left! Wish i saw this first
💵💵💵i got value 🙏
I've heard barkeepers friend (a brand we don't have here), is bad for cleaning diamond plates, as it makes nickel brittle. Might not be an issue on ceramics, though, I suppose.
Or you could simply purchase the Lansky Diamond stone angle sharpener kit @ $49.99 with the fine, medium, and coarse stone set. It's all you need for an excellent hair popping edge.
I LOVE mine and t eliminates the guesswork along with all the knives you'll destroy and scratch the crap outta the blade, while learning to freehand sharpen,....and you will!!
How you sharpen your knives doesn't matter,..only the results of it do.
I used a mug before my stones 😆 made the knife sharper but the tip almost gone.
does anybody know?
I gotta learn how to sharpen a tanto without rounding the changeover point. I do it every time
Many times over the years i have been at a friend's house for a cook out, or birthday, and their kitchen knives where dull. They always complain about it while preparing the food, but while giving me(the only adult woth a knife) a sideways look.
Then i would tune up their knofe on a coffee cup, or a car window, and it would cut better.
Then time to cut open presents with tap and zip ties- no other man in the room with a knife, and they cannot find their scissors.
I always dread how many friends i will lose when the apocalypse comes for us all.
The coffee cup thing was ridiculous lol. Tha5s a far stretch. More than likely it just makes things worse. Go spend 80$ and get a good 2000 grit Kuromaku stones and if u want extra credit go get a leather strop and 4 MKM diamond emulsion.
It’s just ceramic. You can get a ceramic rod for $20 that’ll work great too.
My Grandpa could sharpen any knife quickly that would shave your face easily.
I could never get it right. He would use a Stone & then a Ceramic Rod.
Edge of car window VS bottom of coffee cup VS glass bottle VS nail file 🤔🤔🤔
Triangles and the geometry assicoated with them, disagree with your first tip.
Ofcourse it's not going to be perfect neither is angle guides however it gets you a repeated starting point to continue which most struggle with
Speaking of hacks, ole' Brad has a $2000.00 challenge if anyone
can disprove his little handy dandy sharpener. You up for it Jerad?
What's the challenge?
@@Thefish613 I searching for the video but he conveniently removed it or I just didn't look hard enough. It was a recent one. I'll keep looking.
Old Boy Scout hack. 2 pennies stacked.
Surly you realize that the distance from spine to stone will change with the width of the blade.... oh, okay I beard my concern covered in the background while typing. Carry on, now what did I miss...
You could keep the angle if you just lost three fingers in a sword fight.
I refuse to believe that you think that the angle numbers for a pocket knife and for a machete are both the same if you use the same stack of quarters. You can't possibly NOT realize that the angle changes drastically unless the blade is the same width as the angle finder!
... but I'm only 1 minute in, so maybe you are really that dense and I just don't know it yet,
For cleaning ceramic I use Mr Clean Magic erasers. Just add water and see the magic at work. That is my hack. I am Rick James bitch😂
Jared living in the 20th century
Who still has quarters??
(Shhhh i still have quarters)
i shit my pants.
ROFL 10 years from now people will be looking at this bullshit laughing their asses off.
Secondly, if your using soap and water spend $30 and get Honeright water additive and put that in your soap mixture. It will prevent any corrosion and or rust. Most diamond stones won't rust unless you SOAK them and don't dry them but some will and once corrosion starts you cannot stop it. The stone is basically trash. So the honeright will last years and it keeps all your expensive stones looking brand new
What is a DIY replacement for Honeright? Alcohol? Some time of lubricant?