Great video , first one where you talk about gas mileage and the smoothness of the delivery think I am gonna get this cam , I had Woods cam in my Evo and it was great
Hi Gene, I just installed woods22xe cam on my 2022 117 lowrider st. Y purchased from fuelmoto with there aluminum intake and fuelmotos aluminum intake and there canned map for this cam. Bike runs really good however do you think I would benefit from a dyno tune?
Good morning sounds like a sweet ride! I have read that Fuel Moto does a very good job getting bikes very close to where it needs to be. (I have no personal experience with their tunes) Canned tunes are not going to be perfect because of where different people live, air density, altitude, time of year, mods, the fuel that you use and simply your personal machine. There is no question that a GOOD tuner can dial your machine EXACTLY where it needs to be. Depending on how far away from that the canned tune is....is how much difference a custom tune is going to be. Since your bike runs really good....I would guess it is in the ballpark. It is probably safe to ride with no risk. However, if you want it to be where it NEEDS to be.....you cannot do ANY better than a custom tune. If you can find a great tuner in your area....I would personally make that trip! I am curious what you decide to do and the difference. Please let me know the results......Gene:)
Is that dip a tuning issue? That’s really the only place there is any significant incremental difference other than a little on the very top end. I have seen a graph of the XE22 vs stock and it is very impressive. At the hit of the throttle it’s an immediate 20 ft*lbs and gap increases to 5700 rpm where the incremental is 40 ft*lbs. that means it just pulls harder as rpm increases....looks like fun! Nice informative video.
That session was the same cam. The first tuner sucked! The second tuner got this much more out of it! If you compared this to a stock cam the difference would be dramatic. Even with the old tune, it was a BEAST compared to the stock grind. This was also with the baffle installed, and a 105 degree dyno room, and VERY humid. Worst possible conditions. I loved the cam. Very little throttle required to leave everyone in the dust. Open the throttle and it became violet! Great cam!
I was thinking of adding the S&S 465 torque cam but now you have me curious on the 22XE. Hopefully more HP and more TQ. My only worries, I don't want my S&S 2 into 1 any louder than it already is and don't want to give to give up any low and mid TQ since I mainly ride twisties pretty hard with my Fat bob. I also have a RGS for when I want to cruse slowly.
Hey Gonzalo, you motivated me to update my recent Dyno session. Please click "more" under the title of my video for my update. The bike is not overall LOUDER. It is however much more THROATY and powerful sounding. It sounds a thousand times better than a stock cam any day without melting everyone's ears out of their heads. This cam with the proper tune is a torque monster while still providing big power up top. The MPG is better than stock while providing a big increase in power. I cannot see how anyone could be unhappy with this cam on a street bike.
@@MrSolidman48 Thanks for the update! getting ready to order mine from Fuel Moto. So I hope my guy in town can do s good a tune as CR after my install. At the bottom of your update you say "The cam is actually shaking the floor and is MUCH louder!" contradicts you saying "The bike is not overall LOUDER" also "shaking the floor" means what? more vibrations in the handle bars and throughout the the bike? mine already vibrates like hell compared to my RGS. Appreciate the update!
@@gonzalopalacio2653 Let me clarify: It is much louder IN PERSON than what the phone picks up. The video does not provide the realism of standing next to the bike. The floor in that Garage is wood....so you could feel the motor pulses in the floor. At idle with a performance cam a motor idles "rougher". Some call it "camming". That does NOT translate to vibration unless you have a solid engine mount. A rubber engine mount eliminates the vibration on "baggers" . Softails utilize Internal engine balancers and solid mounts. Off of idle and cruising I do not notice any "buzzing" or "vibration" coming through the bars. Of course....if you LUG a V-twin (too low of rpm for a gear) any V-twin will be vibrate and be very unhappy. Your welcome for the update :)
I have a 17 Street Glide CVO I put the 22 x e cam in I have khrome Werks 2 into 2 exhaust with the ventilator Elite air cleaner I got 120 horse and 130 lb of torque I love this cam it really woke the bike up
No doubt Brian that glide is a beast! Mr. Wood knows how to make cams for sure. If there are any questions or advice needed he will stop what he is doing and speak with you. He is a good man for sure! Thanks for the comment Brian and ride safe brother :)
Is it jerky when starting to go from a stop light?Or is it smooth? Love the power this put out... But I'm planning alot of trips next summer on the bike and worried this might give me whiplash everytime I take off. Running a 2020 Road Glide Special..
Hi Jason. I recently performed a "Compensator Delete" on my Primary. This eliminates the failure prone Compensator and the disastrous results that can follow. I installed an Evolution Industries 34 tooth sprocket instead. Aside from the benefit of solving that problem, other advantages are over 5 lbs less reciprocating weight on the crankshaft (HUGE), longer bearing and seal life, (because of weight reduction) and quicker acceleration. However, it does away with the vibration absorbing benefit of a Compensator. I must admit that I was concerned about this! I am very pleased to say that it feels EXACTLY the same as before! I cannot tell the difference when starting from a dead stop.....period. (very happy) The Cam does not impart any jerkiness either. If you experience any jerkiness, I would consider a worn clutch, riding style, clutch engagement, speed/gear selection. The ONLY difference that I can tell is when basically lugging the motor at lower speeds (1800-2000) at times you can feel a slight complaint from the drive train. The fix is to select 1 gear lower and cruise at 2200+ and it is completely smooth. I will do this ALL day long for the benefits the sprocket provides. The ONLY people that I would NOT recommend this Mod to are people that basically abuse their machines. If you do hard burnouts, wheelies or power shifts that "shock" the transmission.....stay with the compensator....but go to an (Iron Horse). All this being said.......with a lot more power/ good tune.....there is a slight learning curve to control this power. On my Softail, I can take off as smooth as anyone. I can also crank the power and get with it right meow! lol Hope this helps Jason.
Thanks for sharing as I am back and forth on which cam and always bounce back to the 22xe. I have been tuning on a friends 2017 Ultraclassic 107" with the S&S 475 and she will pull front wheel everytime on a roll in 1st gear while completely off the clutch as well as lift wheel in 2nd and of course the idle sound just can't be beat and that is what is beating me up. This XE is supposed to be better and sure hope so. Only bad thing I can say about the 475 is that it truly makes you run up to very high rpms because she is still pulling and wanting more.... I would much rather have my power come in sooner and peak out sooner. This heavy Ultra 107" is a freak as she runs too good. Don't know if it would beat my much lighter 107" softail stage 1 but it wouldn't surprise me.
Hey Gary I too went back and forth between these cams: S&S 475, Redshift 472 and Woods 22XE. In my research the S&S gave up too much on the bottom, the Redshift is quirky to tune....and the 22XE appeared to be just perfect. I can say with the performance I am getting from the bottom up.....along with outstanding mileage....I DEFINITELY chose the right grind. I have only seen 6K a couple of times and the front end is up and pulling VERY hard. I baby the throttle in lower gears because it is so snappy. I have not tried a hard roll-on in the lower gears.......because I KNOW it will either fry the tire or the front end will go airborne! I can honestly say....you would NOT be dissapointed with a 22XE. Let us know how it goes brother....Gene :)
@@MrSolidman48 Sounds like we are on exact same page. Will let ya know how she turns out. And as far as pulling front wheel, nothing radical just a quick 1/2 throttle blip in 1st gear just rolling along and front wheel pops up every time.😂🤷♂️🤦♂️
@@gary8399 They say great minds think alike! I cant wait to see how pleased you will be. Are you installing the cam yourself? I bought the kit from Fuel Moto, along with the fueling Cam sprocket that fits much tighter. (supposed to eliminate a 4 degree timing swing) I also used the S&S Cam chain tensioner. (More oiling and stouter than stock) I went for a ride earlier.......mid 70's here...just perfect. I paid attention to how little throttle that I truly need. If you go past 1/8th throttle....you better be ready for it and be hanging on.....cause she is tearing ass! It is so fun to just completely distance traffic without even trying. My Scat Pack Challenger is like that. Anything past 1/4 throttle you are frying tires or flying. I love that torque feeling, Tons of power on tap and ready......aaahhhhhh 😁😁
Thank you Shawn :) No sir I did not use a check valve and it works beautifully. If you click the "show more" in the comments section above I do some "splainin" on this. What bike do you have and which cam did you decide on?
@@MrSolidman48 I gotcha , if anyone needs a check valve I accidentally bought like a hundred or the supplier sent me that many .I have a 2018 heritage classic .I went with the 22x mostly because of the lower amount of cubes from my 107. Also fuel moto says the Softail exhaust is to short . Guess the scavenging isn't as good as the touring models frame is longer? So I'm short the 22x does a little better in torque where I ride ,22xe is more to the right of HP Hill. Now iam looking at the 124 kit lol
@@shawn9878 Well Shawn.....when the world ends....get you a high powered sling-shot and shoot all the Zombies in the eye with a check valve!! I bet they wont mess with you anymore! lol It sounds like you made the perfect Cam choice for your ride Shawn. If you need more power the 124 kit will definitely do it! All it takes is KASH brother! lol My wallet is extremely happy that I am satisfied with my power level! Me and a newer Mustang with a loud exhaust were playing in town the other day through numerous lights. It was comical each light because I would jump out 2-3 car lengths immediately with about 1/4 throttle. 2nd gear I would roll on almost 1/2 throttle and just smash him every time! Every light he would keep revving his motor and it was a waste of gas on his part! I have to admit.....that was FUN!! lol Good luck and practice with that sling shot!
Thank you Sir! M8's have only 1 cam. After a ride for about 10 minutes.....it is super "lopey". Almost sounds like an alcohol motor! The phone captures only about 10% of it. I have to say it sounds outstanding. I would describe it as "controlled anger". It is by no means quiet....but also not needlessly loud. As far as the attention factor.....it's night and day when I pull in a station. Also in stop and go traffic. Stock.....almost zero looks or attention. Now.....people are looking before I even get parked. It really sounds awesome:) As for the vibration.....heck yeah there's more.....it shakes the ground! lol But...at about 2,700+ it's nice and smooth. At 3K and up it's smooth like a V8. Also it's not so much that it's uncomfortable at lower rpm's.....actually.....it increases the fun factor by 100%! Gene :)
@@MrSolidman48 thank you for the feedback! I like your calm and to the point videos so I hope you keep making them! I always say cams because it's rare for an engine to have one cam, but yep I am aware of that. I ordered a Screamin' Eagle Toque cam kit. I wanted a more aggressive cam, but I don't want to void my warranty yet so I'm going to stick with SE for now.
@@TheImtoomuch Thank you for the very nice compliment it is greatly appreciated and motivates me to do more :) I do not blame you a bit for going the SE route....your fun factor will go WAY up as well! I have been a Technician all my life....so if I need to....I have the knowledge and means to fix it. Please let us know how you like your new cam! Have a great day and enjoy your sweet ride....Gene :)
@@MrSolidman48 ah that makes sense you can gamble if you can do the work yourself. I just subscribed to your channel. Oh man I just noticed you put the Street Bob's digital gauge on this. Do you have a video covering that?
Hey Gene, Nice color combo.. what is the total lift on this cam? I been seeing 555, but didn't think it was that high.. I been comparing with a Zipper 468 which has a lift of about .470, for my 107 bagger with 2-1-2 exhaust. I dont think you mention what displacement you have..but suspect you have a 114. Yea, Did you try any Fuel moto can tunes first? I already did my own Trans cover vent too, not other venting though. Remapping they can change your overall throttle position relative to fuel percentage.. so it can be diffcult to judge throttle crispness. Yea 44 mpg is good. Currently I will get 45- 48 mpg without my stage 2 yet installed
Per my Cam card - .470 intake and exhaust, 212 and 234 duration respectively, 100 and 105 centerline. It is a 114. I has been dyno tuned twice. The second time by Cycle Rama in Tampa. The first tune had a lot of throttle acceleration dialed in. The second tune has none dialed in and is much better. The throttle response strictly comes from the tune of the motor. I have not tested the mpg yet with the second tune, but it definitely uses less fuel and makes more power. Riding styles are critical when comparing mpg. I ride sporty and not "grandpa". I am very happy with the power and performance of this cam.
@@MrSolidman48 well its got the same lift as the Zipper 468, but By the seat of the pants, Would you gauge the 22XE as more of a torque or hp cam result?
@@ut1004bp It is definitely both. It is at the top of the torque cam rating as far as i am concerned. I forgot to mention the dyno operator tried a 6th gear pull and the clutch would not hold around 4k. This is a new bike with much stronger springs. With a better clutch and cooler conditions the number would be MUCH improved. Remember as well the exhaust has a converter AND a baffle. I personally love the cam.
Thank you Ashley! It is a 114. I do NOT have the baffle / db killer removed. It is not quiet.....but it is not annoying or super loud either. It sounds strong and controlled......perfect IMHO. Thanks again.....Gene :)
I was torn between the fat bob and the low rider s, I bought the low rider s just for tank size but I really love both. Been looking at this cam which is what lead me to this video. Sure looks great on the dyno sheet
Congrats on the new ride! The LRS is a great looking bike and will be a ton of fun. With these upgrades it is simply a completely different machine on another level. I could NOT go back to stock after experiencing this power! Thanks so much for the comment and ride safe .....Gene :)
Hey Ryan, the floor boards are "Kuryakan Mini-Riots." The rear lever is www.harley-davidson.com/us/en/shop/Edge-Cut-Billet-Rear-Brake-Lever/p/41600220 And the brake lever pad is www.harley-davidson.com/us/en/shop/Defiance-Brake-Pedal-Pad-Small/p/50600255
Thank you very much John I really appreciate that! Congrats on the LRS. Our Softail engines are Internally balanced, so they use solid engine mounts. "Baggers" are externally balanced and use rubber engine mounts. That being said......very little is transferred to the bars. There is a little increase....but you won't even notice it with all the fun your having lol. Please update on how you like you new Cam John.....Gene :)
Doing one of those this winter in a 114 breakout with the D&D Abuelo Cat. I wonder if they ship to California (don't laugh too hard now!) Otherwise, I ship to Texas first. Your bike sounds sick and I love it!
Hey Ken! THANK YOU for the awesome comments very much! Step 1. Get outta Callie!!! lol Awesome state RUINED by political hacks :( I had to look up that exhaust...my 2 cents: The upward sweep look nice....however.....it IS going to direct the sound upward.....so it is going to be louder than pointing straight back. With my system the sound is always 5 feet "behind me". The D&D system uses a shorter muffler assembly......and that design ALWAYS loses torque over a longer one. You might gain a few ponies at the top...but how often do you ride at 5-6K? With a cam that loses a touch at the bottom, and an exhaust that loses a touch at the bottom....thats a fair amount of torque loss. With an exhaust that creates a strong bottom end....you will not notice any loss with the increased power/torque of the cam. In fact I gained a bunch! Thank you again for the compliment on the sound Ken. Every time I ride it....I fall in love with it over again! Not too loud.....but VERY deep and angry! LOVE IT! When yours is done please show it off to us.....Merry Christmas.....Gene :)
Thank you for a very good review and informational video. I'm about purchase and have installed that same cam, and your video has helped me know what I need to do. I'll have my dealer add those vents and catch can as well. Truly appreciate you sir. I REALLY liked the HI TECH HI FALOOTIN cardboard box ya got there . I do the same thing when I do a video, and I don't care ..LOLLLL Stay well and God bless 👍🏽🙏🏽
Outstanding response my friend! Thank you so much for the great comments! Comments like this are what makes it worth while:) I will be very interested on how you like the mods. Please either hit me up or post a video. Yes Sir....noting but FANCY cardboard here! lol God Bless you too brother....Gene :)
I have a 2020 road glide m8 107 with the Vance & Hines power dual headers and Vance & Hines torque 450 slip-ons. Arlen Ness monster sucker and a power visions tuner. And thinking about goin with the woods m8 xe22 cam. Your thoughts? P.s. your bike sounds fuckin sick!👍
Hello Jeff and all that have made comments. I move to Thailand permanently and I am just now able to access my account. Sounds like a sweet ride Jeff :) My thoughts: You will wonder why in the world wasn't the cam change the FIRST mod you made! Seriously. it will become a completely different beast. You will LOVE it! Once installed...please let us know your thoughts....Gene :)
Dan thank you Sir for the comments! No question the numbers are artificially low. I am tempted to run her again with and without the baffle with a different dyno and much better conditions. If I do I will definitely make a vid. Thanks again brother..............Gene :)
Thanks Justen for the comment. Technically you are right. 2 into 1 pipes are the best overall power producers on a V-twin. The larger the pipe diameter and the shorter the primary muffler the more you raise peak HP. (generally above 5K) Also considering that you have enough cam, fuel and timing to take advantage of it. However...it is also at the expense of more hp and TORQUE below that. If one vehicle has tons of torque and hp down low.....and the other has less......and only 5-10 hp above 5K......the first bike will reach the goal line first easily. In my 40+ years experience with engines, tuning , and drag racing.....5-10 HP at the very top of a rpm range is basically not noticeable. However.......losing a lot of torque and HP from the bottom up is EXTREMELY noticeable. In my experience .....I will sacrifice the obsessive noise, power loss and driveability issues for a properly tuned combination ANY day of the week. If you have a RACE ONLY machine.....(trailered to the track) that only operates at HIGH RPM....then a completely different setup is in order. (super low gearing, big valves, ports, heads, huge cam, high compression, loud and large exhaust) Honestly.....my Softail pulls so hard from Idle to 6K....I do not want or need any more power! Thanks for the comment Justen :)
Great video. I’m so glad that I came across your channel. I look forward to diving into the rest of your content.
Great video , first one where you talk about gas mileage and the smoothness of the delivery think I am gonna get this cam , I had Woods cam in my Evo and it was great
Hi Gene, I just installed woods22xe cam on my 2022 117 lowrider st. Y purchased from fuelmoto with there aluminum intake and fuelmotos aluminum intake and there canned map for this cam. Bike runs really good however do you think I would benefit from a dyno tune?
Good morning sounds like a sweet ride! I have read that Fuel Moto does a very good job getting bikes very close to where it needs to be. (I have no personal experience with their tunes) Canned tunes are not going to be perfect because of where different people live, air density, altitude, time of year, mods, the fuel that you use and simply your personal machine. There is no question that a GOOD tuner can dial your machine EXACTLY where it needs to be. Depending on how far away from that the canned tune is....is how much difference a custom tune is going to be. Since your bike runs really good....I would guess it is in the ballpark. It is probably safe to ride with no risk. However, if you want it to be where it NEEDS to be.....you cannot do ANY better than a custom tune. If you can find a great tuner in your area....I would personally make that trip! I am curious what you decide to do and the difference. Please let me know the results......Gene:)
@ will do, thanks again
I just went with this cam on my stage 2 from fuel moto. WOW what a cam. I would’ve loved had this cam on my fatbob. Great video
Thanks so much Matt! Congrats on your purchase for sure! After it's installed and tuned I will be looking for your comments brother :)
Is that dip a tuning issue? That’s really the only place there is any significant incremental difference other than a little on the very top end. I have seen a graph of the XE22 vs stock and it is very impressive. At the hit of the throttle it’s an immediate 20 ft*lbs and gap increases to 5700 rpm where the incremental is 40 ft*lbs. that means it just pulls harder as rpm increases....looks like fun! Nice informative video.
That session was the same cam. The first tuner sucked! The second tuner got this much more out of it! If you compared this to a stock cam the difference would be dramatic. Even with the old tune, it was a BEAST compared to the stock grind. This was also with the baffle installed, and a 105 degree dyno room, and VERY humid. Worst possible conditions. I loved the cam. Very little throttle required to leave everyone in the dust. Open the throttle and it became violet! Great cam!
I was thinking of adding the S&S 465 torque cam but now you have me curious on the 22XE. Hopefully more HP and more TQ. My only worries, I don't want my S&S 2 into 1 any louder than it already is and don't want to give to give up any low and mid TQ since I mainly ride twisties pretty hard with my Fat bob. I also have a RGS for when I want to cruse slowly.
Hey Gonzalo, you motivated me to update my recent Dyno session. Please click "more" under the title of my video for my update. The bike is not overall LOUDER. It is however much more THROATY and powerful sounding. It sounds a thousand times better than a stock cam any day without melting everyone's ears out of their heads. This cam with the proper tune is a torque monster while still providing big power up top. The MPG is better than stock while providing a big increase in power. I cannot see how anyone could be unhappy with this cam on a street bike.
@@MrSolidman48 Thanks for the update! getting ready to order mine from Fuel Moto. So I hope my guy in town can do s good a tune as CR after my install.
At the bottom of your update you say "The cam is actually shaking the floor and is MUCH louder!" contradicts you saying "The bike is not overall LOUDER" also "shaking the floor" means what? more vibrations in the handle bars and throughout the the bike? mine already vibrates like hell compared to my RGS.
Appreciate the update!
@@gonzalopalacio2653 Let me clarify: It is much louder IN PERSON than what the phone picks up. The video does not provide the realism of standing next to the bike. The floor in that Garage is wood....so you could feel the motor pulses in the floor. At idle with a performance cam a motor idles "rougher". Some call it "camming". That does NOT translate to vibration unless you have a solid engine mount. A rubber engine mount eliminates the vibration on "baggers" . Softails utilize Internal engine balancers and solid mounts. Off of idle and cruising I do not notice any "buzzing" or "vibration" coming through the bars. Of course....if you LUG a V-twin (too low of rpm for a gear) any V-twin will be vibrate and be very unhappy. Your welcome for the update :)
Thanks bro
Hope it helps brother
What did the tuner set your hot idle rpm to
I believe it was around 900-950 rpm. I cannot remember exactly.....but it "loped" nicely :)
Looks and sounds like one sweet ride brother!
That means a LOT thank you Brother :)
I have a 17 Street Glide CVO I put the 22 x e cam in I have khrome Werks 2 into 2 exhaust with the ventilator Elite air cleaner I got 120 horse and 130 lb of torque I love this cam it really woke the bike up
No doubt Brian that glide is a beast! Mr. Wood knows how to make cams for sure. If there are any questions or advice needed he will stop what he is doing and speak with you. He is a good man for sure! Thanks for the comment Brian and ride safe brother :)
Is it jerky when starting to go from a stop light?Or is it smooth? Love the power this put out... But I'm planning alot of trips next summer on the bike and worried this might give me whiplash everytime I take off. Running a 2020 Road Glide Special..
Hi Jason. I recently performed a "Compensator Delete" on my Primary. This eliminates the failure prone Compensator and the disastrous results that can follow. I installed an Evolution Industries 34 tooth sprocket instead. Aside from the benefit of solving that problem, other advantages are over 5 lbs less reciprocating weight on the crankshaft (HUGE), longer bearing and seal life, (because of weight reduction) and quicker acceleration. However, it does away with the vibration absorbing benefit of a Compensator. I must admit that I was concerned about this! I am very pleased to say that it feels EXACTLY the same as before! I cannot tell the difference when starting from a dead stop.....period. (very happy) The Cam does not impart any jerkiness either. If you experience any jerkiness, I would consider a worn clutch, riding style, clutch engagement, speed/gear selection. The ONLY difference that I can tell is when basically lugging the motor at lower speeds (1800-2000) at times you can feel a slight complaint from the drive train. The fix is to select 1 gear lower and cruise at 2200+ and it is completely smooth. I will do this ALL day long for the benefits the sprocket provides. The ONLY people that I would NOT recommend this Mod to are people that basically abuse their machines. If you do hard burnouts, wheelies or power shifts that "shock" the transmission.....stay with the compensator....but go to an (Iron Horse). All this being said.......with a lot more power/ good tune.....there is a slight learning curve to control this power. On my Softail, I can take off as smooth as anyone. I can also crank the power and get with it right meow! lol Hope this helps Jason.
Thanks for sharing as I am back and forth on which cam and always bounce back to the 22xe.
I have been tuning on a friends 2017 Ultraclassic 107" with the S&S 475 and she will pull front wheel everytime on a roll in 1st gear while completely off the clutch as well as lift wheel in 2nd and of course the idle sound just can't be beat and that is what is beating me up.
This XE is supposed to be better and sure hope so. Only bad thing I can say about the 475 is that it truly makes you run up to very high rpms because she is still pulling and wanting more.... I would much rather have my power come in sooner and peak out sooner.
This heavy Ultra 107" is a freak as she runs too good. Don't know if it would beat my much lighter 107" softail stage 1 but it wouldn't surprise me.
Hey Gary I too went back and forth between these cams: S&S 475, Redshift 472 and Woods 22XE. In my research the S&S gave up too much on the bottom, the Redshift is quirky to tune....and the 22XE appeared to be just perfect. I can say with the performance I am getting from the bottom up.....along with outstanding mileage....I DEFINITELY chose the right grind. I have only seen 6K a couple of times and the front end is up and pulling VERY hard. I baby the throttle in lower gears because it is so snappy. I have not tried a hard roll-on in the lower gears.......because I KNOW it will either fry the tire or the front end will go airborne! I can honestly say....you would NOT be dissapointed with a 22XE. Let us know how it goes brother....Gene :)
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Sounds like we are on exact same page. Will let ya know how she turns out. And as far as pulling front wheel, nothing radical just a quick 1/2 throttle blip in 1st gear just rolling along and front wheel pops up every time.😂🤷♂️🤦♂️
@@gary8399 They say great minds think alike! I cant wait to see how pleased you will be. Are you installing the cam yourself? I bought the kit from Fuel Moto, along with the fueling Cam sprocket that fits much tighter. (supposed to eliminate a 4 degree timing swing) I also used the S&S Cam chain tensioner. (More oiling and stouter than stock) I went for a ride earlier.......mid 70's here...just perfect. I paid attention to how little throttle that I truly need. If you go past 1/8th throttle....you better be ready for it and be hanging on.....cause she is tearing ass! It is so fun to just completely distance traffic without even trying. My Scat Pack Challenger is like that. Anything past 1/4 throttle you are frying tires or flying. I love that torque feeling, Tons of power on tap and ready......aaahhhhhh 😁😁
Nice job explaining the cam,I was torn between the xe and the woods 22x .. anyway did you do a check valve inline with the trans bulkhead fitting?
Thank you Shawn :) No sir I did not use a check valve and it works beautifully. If you click the "show more" in the comments section above I do some "splainin" on this. What bike do you have and which cam did you decide on?
@@MrSolidman48 I gotcha , if anyone needs a check valve I accidentally bought like a hundred or the supplier sent me that many .I have a 2018 heritage classic .I went with the 22x mostly because of the lower amount of cubes from my 107. Also fuel moto says the Softail exhaust is to short . Guess the scavenging isn't as good as the touring models frame is longer? So I'm short the 22x does a little better in torque where I ride ,22xe is more to the right of HP Hill. Now iam looking at the 124 kit lol
@@shawn9878 Well Shawn.....when the world ends....get you a high powered sling-shot and shoot all the Zombies in the eye with a check valve!! I bet they wont mess with you anymore! lol It sounds like you made the perfect Cam choice for your ride Shawn. If you need more power the 124 kit will definitely do it! All it takes is KASH brother! lol My wallet is extremely happy that I am satisfied with my power level! Me and a newer Mustang with a loud exhaust were playing in town the other day through numerous lights. It was comical each light because I would jump out 2-3 car lengths immediately with about 1/4 throttle. 2nd gear I would roll on almost 1/2 throttle and just smash him every time! Every light he would keep revving his motor and it was a waste of gas on his part! I have to admit.....that was FUN!! lol Good luck and practice with that sling shot!
That sounds so mean at idle! Did you notice an increase of vibration with the cams?
Thank you Sir! M8's have only 1 cam. After a ride for about 10 minutes.....it is super "lopey". Almost sounds like an alcohol motor! The phone captures only about 10% of it. I have to say it sounds outstanding. I would describe it as "controlled anger". It is by no means quiet....but also not needlessly loud. As far as the attention factor.....it's night and day when I pull in a station. Also in stop and go traffic. Stock.....almost zero looks or attention. Now.....people are looking before I even get parked. It really sounds awesome:) As for the vibration.....heck yeah there's more.....it shakes the ground! lol But...at about 2,700+ it's nice and smooth. At 3K and up it's smooth like a V8. Also it's not so much that it's uncomfortable at lower rpm's.....actually.....it increases the fun factor by 100%! Gene :)
@@MrSolidman48 thank you for the feedback! I like your calm and to the point videos so I hope you keep making them!
I always say cams because it's rare for an engine to have one cam, but yep I am aware of that.
I ordered a Screamin' Eagle Toque cam kit. I wanted a more aggressive cam, but I don't want to void my warranty yet so I'm going to stick with SE for now.
@@TheImtoomuch Thank you for the very nice compliment it is greatly appreciated and motivates me to do more :) I do not blame you a bit for going the SE route....your fun factor will go WAY up as well! I have been a Technician all my life....so if I need to....I have the knowledge and means to fix it. Please let us know how you like your new cam! Have a great day and enjoy your sweet ride....Gene :)
Great video
@@MrSolidman48 ah that makes sense you can gamble if you can do the work yourself. I just subscribed to your channel.
Oh man I just noticed you put the Street Bob's digital gauge on this. Do you have a video covering that?
Great content. Thanks!
Thank you very much!
Hey Gene, Nice color combo.. what is the total lift on this cam? I been seeing 555, but didn't think it was that high.. I been comparing with a Zipper 468 which has a lift of about .470, for my 107 bagger with 2-1-2 exhaust. I dont think you mention what displacement you have..but suspect you have a 114. Yea, Did you try any Fuel moto can tunes first? I already did my own Trans cover vent too, not other venting though. Remapping they can change your overall throttle position relative to fuel percentage.. so it can be diffcult to judge throttle crispness. Yea 44 mpg is good. Currently I will get 45- 48 mpg without my stage 2 yet installed
Per my Cam card - .470 intake and exhaust, 212 and 234 duration respectively, 100 and 105 centerline. It is a 114. I has been dyno tuned twice. The second time by Cycle Rama in Tampa. The first tune had a lot of throttle acceleration dialed in. The second tune has none dialed in and is much better. The throttle response strictly comes from the tune of the motor. I have not tested the mpg yet with the second tune, but it definitely uses less fuel and makes more power. Riding styles are critical when comparing mpg. I ride sporty and not "grandpa". I am very happy with the power and performance of this cam.
@@MrSolidman48 well its got the same lift as the Zipper 468, but By the seat of the pants, Would you gauge the 22XE as more of a torque or hp cam result?
@@ut1004bp It is definitely both. It is at the top of the torque cam rating as far as i am concerned. I forgot to mention the dyno operator tried a 6th gear pull and the clutch would not hold around 4k. This is a new bike with much stronger springs. With a better clutch and cooler conditions the number would be MUCH improved. Remember as well the exhaust has a converter AND a baffle. I personally love the cam.
Awesome video! I'm assuming that is a 114 ? Do you have the DB killer remover from the exhaust?
Thank you Ashley! It is a 114. I do NOT have the baffle / db killer removed. It is not quiet.....but it is not annoying or super loud either. It sounds strong and controlled......perfect IMHO. Thanks again.....Gene :)
Great video! First one I’ve seen on a ‘21
Thanks so much Jeff I really appreciate that!
I was torn between the fat bob and the low rider s, I bought the low rider s just for tank size but I really love both. Been looking at this cam which is what lead me to this video. Sure looks great on the dyno sheet
Congrats on the new ride! The LRS is a great looking bike and will be a ton of fun. With these upgrades it is simply a completely different machine on another level. I could NOT go back to stock after experiencing this power! Thanks so much for the comment and ride safe .....Gene :)
Very informative video. Thanks
Your very welcome and thank you for the nice comment!
What kind of floor boards and rear brake lever do you have?
Hey Ryan, the floor boards are "Kuryakan Mini-Riots." The rear lever is www.harley-davidson.com/us/en/shop/Edge-Cut-Billet-Rear-Brake-Lever/p/41600220
And the brake lever pad is www.harley-davidson.com/us/en/shop/Defiance-Brake-Pedal-Pad-Small/p/50600255
Great video, I will be putting that cam in my LRS. Do you get any extra vibration that is noticed?
Thank you very much John I really appreciate that! Congrats on the LRS. Our Softail engines are Internally balanced, so they use solid engine mounts. "Baggers" are externally balanced and use rubber engine mounts. That being said......very little is transferred to the bars. There is a little increase....but you won't even notice it with all the fun your having lol. Please update on how you like you new Cam John.....Gene :)
Not So Mean Gene thanks for the reply. I am sure I will love it. Awesome bike you have .
@@johnlittle6711 Thanks brother :)
I got my 22xE in and loving it. Running it with fuel moto tune and it runs great. Thanks again for the great video!!
@@johnlittle6711 That is awesome John! Thanks so much for letting me know! Would you say it met or exceeded your expectations? Do tell!
Doing one of those this winter in a 114 breakout with the D&D Abuelo Cat. I wonder if they ship to California (don't laugh too hard now!) Otherwise, I ship to Texas first. Your bike sounds sick and I love it!
Hey Ken! THANK YOU for the awesome comments very much! Step 1. Get outta Callie!!! lol Awesome state RUINED by political hacks :( I had to look up that exhaust...my 2 cents: The upward sweep look nice....however.....it IS going to direct the sound upward.....so it is going to be louder than pointing straight back. With my system the sound is always 5 feet "behind me". The D&D system uses a shorter muffler assembly......and that design ALWAYS loses torque over a longer one. You might gain a few ponies at the top...but how often do you ride at 5-6K? With a cam that loses a touch at the bottom, and an exhaust that loses a touch at the bottom....thats a fair amount of torque loss. With an exhaust that creates a strong bottom end....you will not notice any loss with the increased power/torque of the cam. In fact I gained a bunch! Thank you again for the compliment on the sound Ken. Every time I ride it....I fall in love with it over again! Not too loud.....but VERY deep and angry! LOVE IT! When yours is done please show it off to us.....Merry Christmas.....Gene :)
Thank you for a very good review and informational video. I'm about purchase and have installed that same cam, and your video has helped me know what I need to do. I'll have my dealer add those vents and catch can as well.
Truly appreciate you sir.
I REALLY liked the HI TECH HI FALOOTIN cardboard box ya got there . I do the same thing when I do a video, and I don't care ..LOLLLL
Stay well and God bless 👍🏽🙏🏽
Outstanding response my friend! Thank you so much for the great comments! Comments like this are what makes it worth while:) I will be very interested on how you like the mods. Please either hit me up or post a video. Yes Sir....noting but FANCY cardboard here! lol God Bless you too brother....Gene :)
Sounds killer🤘
Thank you very much! Merry Christmas :)
Sounds amazing, like a completely different bike
Thank you Marv.....it TRULY is a completely bike!
I have a 2020 road glide m8 107 with the Vance & Hines power dual headers and Vance & Hines torque 450 slip-ons. Arlen Ness monster sucker and a power visions tuner. And thinking about goin with the woods m8 xe22 cam. Your thoughts? P.s. your bike sounds fuckin sick!👍
Hello Jeff and all that have made comments. I move to Thailand permanently and I am just now able to access my account. Sounds like a sweet ride Jeff :) My thoughts: You will wonder why in the world wasn't the cam change the FIRST mod you made! Seriously. it will become a completely different beast. You will LOVE it! Once installed...please let us know your thoughts....Gene :)
Oh and THANK YOU for the excellent comment Jeff...:)
Next time you're in fort Myers go see psycho solutions the owner's name is Chris really good guy very knowledgeable..👍🏽
Good to know thank you very much Norman :)
good sound
Thank you very much. Amazing cam :)
Sounds amazing under better conditions I know it would have made more power. Either way enjoy, it’s a monster.
Dan thank you Sir for the comments! No question the numbers are artificially low. I am tempted to run her again with and without the baffle with a different dyno and much better conditions. If I do I will definitely make a vid. Thanks again brother..............Gene :)
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You cost yourself more hp with that pipe…
Thanks Justen for the comment. Technically you are right. 2 into 1 pipes are the best overall power producers on a V-twin. The larger the pipe diameter and the shorter the primary muffler the more you raise peak HP. (generally above 5K) Also considering that you have enough cam, fuel and timing to take advantage of it. However...it is also at the expense of more hp and TORQUE below that. If one vehicle has tons of torque and hp down low.....and the other has less......and only 5-10 hp above 5K......the first bike will reach the goal line first easily. In my 40+ years experience with engines, tuning , and drag racing.....5-10 HP at the very top of a rpm range is basically not noticeable. However.......losing a lot of torque and HP from the bottom up is EXTREMELY noticeable. In my experience .....I will sacrifice the obsessive noise, power loss and driveability issues for a properly tuned combination ANY day of the week. If you have a RACE ONLY machine.....(trailered to the track) that only operates at HIGH RPM....then a completely different setup is in order. (super low gearing, big valves, ports, heads, huge cam, high compression, loud and large exhaust) Honestly.....my Softail pulls so hard from Idle to 6K....I do not want or need any more power! Thanks for the comment Justen :)