Fully agree that Caesar isn’t need at all. I did this with all a ranks and a rank w engines to show some people that it’s just not necessary to have Caesar or Jane to beat this with ease
Making both sides have Ice Resistance is EVIL! Now I'm really going to have to make a third team since it looks like my Ellen and Jane Teams won't be able to carry me anymore.
The thing about this mode is that clear time doesn't matter, so you can still run Ellen, it'll just take longer. As long as you aren't greedy though and prioritize dodging over squeezing in more damage, you can use Ellen. I am on M0P0 Ellen and I cleared first side just fine with Ellen/Lucy/Soukaku. It did take like 6 minutes, but it's perfectly doable.
Dude I just want to say you're one of my favorite zzz creators, your content is always informative, entertaining, super easy to understand and super easy to implement into my own account, thanks for your hard work ALG.
I just completed the 5th level today, and it felt freakin amazing to do. It felt really good to complete the part that they clearly wanted you to have Caesar to beat, it's essentially just beating the game on a Brutal Difficult instead of easy. I couldn't have done it though without targeting on the little dude in the 2nd phase, that tip really saved my skin LOL Please continue to keep making videos like this, they're extremely helpful, and I always look forward to hearing what you speak about next~!
This comment is not for whales and dolphins, it's for you, average commenter gamer here just to say I really like the discussion videos about the game, keep doing the good job ❤
Man I hope Ambush Mode refreshes more often, once a patch and only 5 levels feels like something is going on... either they think it's gonna be too easy for people and players won't feel the need to build their characters for the content, or somehow players won't keep up with the meta and pulling for new characters to keep S ranking the content. It would make sense for Critical Node to continue to be the premier endgame mode because it's DPS focused and new characters will push DPS. These doubts might not be true, but I also can't tell why else this mode wouldn't be as refreshed as Critical Node, or offer as many levels. Personally, as someone who's bulk of action game content experience is Monster Hunter, I really enjoy potentially longer battles where your own aggression is balanced against by exercising patience and good longterm decision making. Disputed Node and Ambush Node are REALLY up my alley. And it's so fun to at least have the option to try something early with under levelled characters, that becomes drastically more difficult but is still possible. Fingers crossed we get more of this stuff!
If they refreshed too often, people did not have time to build their character for this one And for veteran player this mode is just cake walk and if it's refreshed often too will kinda make ez poly Dev need money afterall to develop
Thanks, ALG! I just powered through the frustration of retrying a couple of times but with your teams I managed to clear the Ambush Node 5, 2nd half with the same team you used. I was about to give up and start building my benched L1 Koleda (or worse...pull a Caesar just for the shielding) to replace Anby and to satisfy at least the fire weakness but your tips especially focusing on the shadow made that half more manageable for my Zhu Yuan team. Thanks for these guides and F2P/ low spender team tips! You made my resolve into going all into Burnice more solid and this blatant marketing ploy to sell Caesar didn't work on me :D
Steamrolled all 5 to S in first hours of the patch, Jane-Seth-Qingyu and Soldier-Koleda-Lucy, 50 lvl supports, 60 others. If my teams were not as developed these tips would be nice to keep in mind all the time, but I came with the same strategy as You. This game mode is really fun, love that they experiment with content not relieable on timer - feels more like a AAA game then a Service based gacha imo
- So, upon fighting story, we all know Jane is hell. Not just fighting strongest current bosskiller, we're fighting *meta itself* . However, modern problems can have old solutions, and Jane is not exception of this: + Parry all Jane's yellow flash attacks until Assist gauge ran out. When waiting for it to full, the real challenge starts here. + Jane's *4 hit dash n plunge combo* is her strongest attack, hinted by her long charging time with red flash. This attack has tracking, u cant just panic pressing shift key, u need proper timing! Dodge in a direction perpendicular to Jane's first dash, dodge 2nd time for 3rd dash, 3rd time for her plunge. + Dodge counters can punish Jane, but if and only if *Jane ends her combo* . Comprehending when Jane ends combo will take lots of efforts, so start with punishing her simple single dash/plunge. + Dont get greedy attempting to fill Jane's stun meter, especially u Qingyi users. Know when to retreat and keep distance of Jane to anticipate her dash. + Rinse n repeat till Jane dies.
A helpful observation for players who main Anby by choice or necessity: compared to all the other agents I own, Anby's dodge attack seems to have the shortest I-frame duration. So for more aggressive encounters, following up a perfect dodge with a dodge counter might put you in a bad spot. For me, I start playing harder encounters like I do Elden Ring or Bloodborne and wait until a string ends to throw out a punish. And since perfect dodges build up Decibels, taking a breather by just dodging stuff isn't a bad play either. Been rolling through with S11/Ben/Koleda and Anby/Piper/Seth for a large majority of fights with a relatively comfortable time. The second team's a bit slow on clear times but it gets the job done well enough.
I've actually had a problem with like 3rd node in Ambush, the one where jane doe doppelganger appears. I originally used Korin + Piper + Billy, which went quite catastrophically, so I then switched to Piper, Billy and Ben I think. Ben's ability to block so much and then counter-attack is priceless, and Billy helped quite a bit at getting away. Also armor which is the only reliable way to increase your hit points since there are no heal characters in zzz.
Ambush mode is my favorite. It is a fierce battle of attrition. The usual timed modes are just "you didn't upgrade your character enough? Well too bad you won't get an S" while in ambush everything depends on *YOU* the player, to use your agents' skills to their full potential and survive while fending off beasts.
I tried to clear it for a couple of hours, but my 2 teams are Ellen and Zhu Yuan. Ice resist both sides was a big middle finger from Hoyo. I'll attempt again after getting Caesar or Burnice.
@@AverageLuckGamer I do have a Piper, its a matter of resources unfortunately. If I build Piper I may run out of stuff to build Caesar/Burnice, and I absolutely despise spending stamina in the Hoyo games on XP stuff lol. Love your videos mate. Great stuff.
Prioritize dodging over squeezing damage with Ellen. I cleared first side with Ellen/Lucy/Soukaku with M0P0 ellen and pretty average builds on all of them. It took 6 minutes, but completely doable if you just prioritize dodging every time instead of trying to go for Basic 3.
Yeah I had 20,000 saved for Caesar and still didn't pull her. I mean I expected it after pulling Jane in 10, but it still sucks. I needed all the help I could get.
This node gave me quite the surprise with the jump in dmg from node 4 to 5. It was pretty fun with how fast paced it was and the enemies hit harder and attacked faster. Thanks for the guide😄
This video is really helpful! Especially that ambush node 5 is the last level I haven't completed in Shiyu Defense and the one I'm struggling with at the moment. Thanks so much! Dub tips💯
If you have a character that can do evasive assist like Billy or Zhu yuan then make sure to use the time stop to reposition your self and get some breathing room. Billy's parry really saved me a bunch of times during those situations where both enemies start attacking you simultaneously
you have no idea how much comfort caesar gave. yes you can still do it, bit its like saying amber can do abyss, its possible but do people want that much trouble? defense is a class hoyo made for the game, its stupid to think they wont do anything for it.
Very helpful video ong. Just want to share my kinda awful experience playing ZZZ in low-end mobile. Ever since the disputed node, this end game always kicked my ass. It take countless attempt for me to finish node 8 fighting that razan guy (iirc). Problems like dodge delay is always there for me. This video can cool my head and rethink my tactic on tackling Floor 5. I do pull for caesar so i would just need to lock in the second wave
I’m a dolphin, but I just wanted to drop by and say I really enjoy your content. I like your voice and it’s super soothing when I’m stressing with work 😅 As for the topic of the video, I managed to clear without Caesar as well and fully think it’s possible to do so without her (though there will be some struggling getting there the first time lol - looking at my Jane who got stomped on in A5 first half because of the stupid mech dropping on her head 😂). But a lot of players are gonna 100% struggle with the patience thing because of the way DPS clear time is usually incentivized. That’s going to be the most difficult hurdle for some. Once people realize they have to be patient and can’t always just bulldoze through content, it should become easier for them. I pretty much just kited through A5 2nd half and still managed to clear under 5 mins on mobile (I don’t have a PC or console so mobile is the main way I play). Like sometimes it’s ok to run away from the enemies, it’s also a strategy 😂 I think the longer the game goes on, the more people will have to rely on some of the “free” characters they’re getting and learn to play different team comps and implement different strategies. I feel like getting familiar with one or two could make things easier, and having a few you’re comfortable with even if they aren’t fully built is going to be advantageous no matter what. I have a barely built Ben that I never use usually, and I slapped him on to my second team (ZY and Nicole). He carried me through A5 2nd half. Sometimes you just have to make do! I quite like the Ambush nodes better than the usual DPS time clears since I don’t have great luck with RnG and hate min/mid-maxing 🥴 Relying on a different sort of game strategy was a nice breath of fresh air. I really hope they come out with even more creative node modes in the future!
I cannot S the last stage, I will try this because i'm having trouble with the second half with my ZY team, lets see if it works. My Jane team destroys both halfs in seconds, insanely broken. The second team is having some issues.
The biggest thing for me on the second half was focussing on the doppelgänger first, it seemed weird initially but it’s easier to dodge around the big guy, even when not looking at him as he’s more predictable. I talk it through on the video so hopefully it helps!
@@AverageLuckGamer problem is i can't for the goddamn life of me get the atrocious lock on to stick to the doppelganger. I'd run right up behind him at the start and somehow my moves always transfer to the big fella LMAO
@@AverageLuckGamer Finally , I made it. The trick was focusing the shadow, poking and running around while is red and go all in while its blue, it took like 15 minutes just that fight but finally I was able to get my S. Thanks dude.
Mindscapes on 4 star units are impactful to these things and should be noted, especially as the game gets older and the pool is diluted. For instance, I didn't have Piper at M4 (like the one in the video) until I went for Ceasar on her banner. Hoyo 4 star dups can make a huge difference in performance and should not to be neglected at least as a footnote.
Cleared 5th node with Zhu 1st side and Piper/Soldier/Lucy 2nd side. As long as you keep the small enemy on your screen as much as possible and stay calm you can do it!
This shit was so much fun, hard as hell too for my second team. First team was an easy sweep but the second team was with Jane but Seth and Rina were both level 10, with level 0 engines, shit was a STRUGGLE but we S ranked it out. Great tips as well! Best tip ever, know thy enemy.
N.E.P.S was definetly a butt time now with Calydons we got a tid(d)y time with Caesar and Burnice. New mode looks fun, gotta tackle it this weekend when I got time. Nicole EX attack on gamepad is excellent if you use her alternative longer animation mode, on keyboard it's near impossible to pull off but that EX animation gives ALOT of time to take a breather while dealing damage.
they finally fixed the bugged button layout on mobile, I can finally have my own custom pad layout. Now I gotta get used to it, and overwrite my muscle memory. But then I remember’d blitz mode was also added, so my mistakes while learning are less punished
I found it fine. Jane hard carried me though especially since I have her really built up at this point. Definitely enjoy the adjusted focus though on survival over time clear in this mode
I managed it with Ellen on my first half. It was rough, but my only other well built dps was jane, and I had her on second half. For anyone else trying to pull it off with Ellen, what ended up working for me was mostly what the video shows. I have Koleda at m2 because she's all I get on standard banner lol, so I focused on landing repeated stuns with koleda and then abusing Ellen's very long invuln on her ex, plus the fact that her third hit lets her switch sides on the enemy to deal solid, relatively safe dps during stun windows. Pulchra's machine gun absolutely shreds though, and gives very little warning, so it's super important to be aware of where she is and what she's doing. Anby, Lycaon, or Qingyi could probably manage similar results, but Koleda felt optimal because of the elemental weakness.
The good thing that I don't have the skills to abuse or even test is all these new doppelganger characters seem to be able to be juggled, no need to stun if you can just keep them in the air
As a backseat gamer I've couldn't help but notice a few times that it seems like you are not being optimal with Lucy after a chain attack (like in 5:28 ). You can just hold the skill button until she has the "batter ready" pose and then quick assist off the chain, and she will complete the EX hold skill on her own in the background. Sorry for being off-topic for the video...
It was pain in the ass to clear last floor with Ellen, not only because of resistance, but also due to aggressiveness of the enemies. Second side with nekomata was easy though, first try for everything, I guess she will be forever my goto character if I don't have strict time limits
I built my Ben recently to help me with the harder content in the game and I actually really enjoy his play style! Everyone should stop sleeping on Ben, Caesar definitely isn't a necessity. (I still pulled for her anyway because she's cute lol)
Honestly, I was so excited to see ether resistance on floor 5 that I threw my Zhu Yuan at it immediately. She still cleared it faster than my S11 + Caesar team, though it took me two tries. Edit: I just noticed that I had swapped my Caesar and Qingyi's W-engines, so my Qingyi had Original Transmorpher on the entire time and I never noticed lol.
This video is a bit old now, but here's my report: I tried to clear the first stage with Koleda, Ben and Lucy, but no matter how hard I tried to dodge and parry, the mech always killed Koleda. The shield that Ben gave her didn't help much at all. After three hours and countless fails I finally switched to Jane, Seth and Grace, and they quickly made short work of the enemies. I then used the fire team for the second stage and it went so much better, I think I even cleared it first try (I didn't, I actually failed once, but after all that sh!t in stage 1 it genuinely felt like a first try clear)
I’m not sure what I’m missing, but my Zhu Yuan ult is not doing anywhere near what yours is on the second stage. Like not even half as much. I’ve got the recommended disks, lvl 60, the gun wengine at level 40, I’m applying disorder and ulting during the stun window but it’s just not doing anything close to what yours is.
There’s a couple of things involved in buffing up Zhu as much as possible. Firstly launch the chain with your swing jazz holder, the make sure to EX special with zhu first, as it ups her crit rate. Get Nicole’s debuff from her EX special on the enemy too and then go for it. You can see in the video I don’t always do this perfectly. Also get your Wengine upto 60! If you’re looking for more help me and my community can help you out on discord, we have a specific help section!
@@AverageLuckGamer just wanted to let you know, this reply made such a massive difference. It’s like I finally understand how to play the team now, thanks a ton!!
All great tips require sacrifice. Threw all my polychrome's and pulls for Cesar and her BIS engine when i was planning to hold them for Burnice. But i have now plenty of time to hoard polychrome's to make sure i get Miyabi.
After all this time, I finally ended ambush node 5… with an ellen team at the start and zhu team at tthe last (don’t have jane unfortunately. Tried running a piper team and it just didn’t click for me) incase anybody want to try: first team is ellen qingyi soukaku second team is zhuyuan anby nicole as ALG said, just take your time. AN doesn’t require a time limit so just take it easy. took me 12 minutes (not counting the countless hours I took to retry the level for each death) but yea. Hope this helps felllas
also if it made anyone feel better: my Anby had shit build and my soukaku was missing slot5 disc because I forgot I temporarily used it on seth (the aforementioned piper team)
You made it look easy and it was really rough for me. I would love to know your disc sets on your characters because you’re doing so much more damage than I am. Great job by the way.
Excellent guide 👌 pretty much agree that Caesar isn't necessary at all to beat ambush mode, tho my Corin-Lucy-Caesar melted these guys in seconds, which is immensely satisfying!
It’s possible I literally had one team that was just Piper, lucy and neko which isn’t the best team and got S it takes patience like he said don’t get greedy once u study the patterns of the enemies the dodging becomes easier
@@Cyilus_Worldit's hard when u dont have a level 50+ character(damage penalty) or a well invested seth or ben who can give armor, pulchra is the most broken boss in this stage, her pistol barrage literally takes like 1/4 to 1/3 of your health and it's hard af to block with all the visual clutter and the big robot in your face all the time and she staggers you if she connects a certain no. of shots leaving u vulnerable to the robot's attack. I am currently stuck at the last stage on my 2nd acc as my ik level is only 45 there. It's just absolutely bs that a ranged barrage of attack can take that much health in a two man boss stage, it is certainly incentivising a certain way of playinh unless u have a high dps character, this stage is a breeze with my Jane doe on my main tho as she has very high dps and my neko team is not that strong very low dps but since she's lvl 60 and suffer less damage penalty i can do it. Anyone with any limited character should be able to clear it but for those without it's quite difficult, like zhu yuan is like highest burst dps ofc you can clear it without caesar lmao
Persona OST is always a win lol. If you are bad at the game, I guess I must be a monkey with a controller on my hands. Even then, I'll try this mode eventually... even tho I'm not even done with basic Shiyu Defense yet
I lost my 50/50 to S11 and can't clear floor 4 so thinking about raising a defender. Ben seems to fit my account since I have koleda and just got blessed? with a fire dps. No anomaly units built so Seth doesn't seem useful rn, not sure which will fit my acc long term?
Bold of you to assume I've had the time to try this yet 😅currently sweating bullets at the critical node reset at the end of the weekend and I haven't touched it yet. After I get that done I'll consider it. Looks like it won't be much of an issue with Jane and Zhu Yuan at least.
I just wanna share my f2p take.I have just enough pulls to gurantee one char I am not gonna pull Caesar.Caesar isn't a Zhongli and Bennett(like a CC said in a guide video), its just a more support-oriented Zhongli, since the 1000+ atk buff is kinda underwhelming imo(Sokaku can do potentially more). Caesar improves QOL while fighting while giving you an atk buff and dmg buff, that's that. Atm, there are 3 teams, The ice team(ellen-anby/Lyc-Sokaku), The Ether team(zhu-anby/qingyi-nicole) and Caesar doesn't justify a place for her in either team as the supports in them are very tailored-made to cater them. As for the third team(Jane-Seth-Rina/Lucy) I feel Burnice might just be a much better support than for every Anamoloy team coming in future(a Kafka, if I might) so am gonna hold out for her. The shield and anti-interrupt ar absolutely great but her need for enemy agro is a big con. Lastly, this game has 3 member teams which makes it so that generalists are gonna face much more competition that tailor-made supports. This is just my take, and I would be very happy if someone points out anything they disagree with, but please keep it polite in the comments.
I am pretty screwed this time around. My only built teams are Ellen and Zhu. I have yet to fully build out my Jane and Seth. This game really wants you to have Ms and Wengines. My biggest holdback is getting enough resources. Cesar is cool but I plan to get Lighter, Yanagi, and maybe Miyabi assuming she isn’t right after those 2. Lighters is a fire stun and Yanagi is electro Anomaly so I’m saving her for my Rina and Jane teams while Lighter obviously sticks with fire teams. I don’t really know where to place Cesar if I were to get her honestly, I can only imagine placing her with Jane and Piper but that’s about it
Managed to finish shiyu defense with Zhu-yuan /Anby/ Nicole and Jane/Piper/Lucy. Took ancouple tries. It waa funny in node 4 the Pulchra doppelganfer kept walking away sometimes and juat letting me breathe until I beat the big mech. First time tgis happened I let my guard down and got destroyed by her. I would have had an easier time if my Piper and Lucy weren't level 40 with really bad discs but Jane carry is real
Ellen is not bad in the the second half . If you can manage to kill the phantom / shadow enemies fast , the big brute guy has predicatable attack patterns. If you have lycaon as your stunner , you can some of the shadows hits and dps the robot the down.
Ended up beating first half with Ellen premium team, regardless of the resistances that team has a lot of I frames on their attacks. Second half Jane cleared pretty easily
5th first half was easy, but second half I felt like my Zhu Yuan was doing no damage. PS. Beat it, tweaked leveled up some Zhu Yuan talents, and then swapped in Koleda for Anby, and the ability to have all that stun packed into burst windows really helped. Didn't take long to get Mors down and then I just had to make sure not to make a mistake with the big guy. Teams: 60 Jane+ 60 Stinger/45 Seth M2+50 Peacekeeper S4/35 Lucy+16 Reverb MK3 (She is there for moral support honestly) 60 Zhu Yuan+ 60 Brimstone/40 Koleda M1+30 Steam Oven S4/40 Nicole M6+40 The Vault S2
I'm struggling on floor 5 side 2 and I feel like the only real tip given in this video for this side is to go for Mors first, which makes sense but doesn't really help that much if that's the only tip given besides exploiting Ex s (which most people should know by now if they care about the endgame difficulty), considering they attack so aggressively (almost nonstop if you're close to them) with overlapping attacks and the brute constantly running up to your face while Mors is keeping his distance away. I feel like the guide for floor 5 side 2 would be more complete if you also analyzed the enemies attack patterns and showed us what to look out for, how to deal with their aggressiveness and maybe how to manipulate the AI to our advantage in e.g during the stun window when both of them are still alive etc. For example, Mors has a lot of attacks with few yellow parry prompts (e.g the first attack in his slap, kick shoot combo) and I feel like most of his attacks give you less than a second to react to (e.g his grenade throw or gunshot outside his normal combo string). Not paying attention to this will make it more difficult focusing on Mors alone while the brute keeps intercepting you. Most infuriating is that the devs still haven't optimized the enemy locking system. If I manually lock on to Mors, the locking will almost instantly go back to the brute. If I manage to stun the brute first giving me time to go for Mors, the game will instantly aim back at the brute even if I manually try to lock on to Mors etc. I'm almost regretting not getting Jane and all her counter attacks since I'm using the same team as you and Anby's ex really just isn't that impressive. I guess I'll have to keep analyzing this floor along with upgrading my agents 😭
Ma Dude, I even got Jane pretty beefed up but still have issues with the second phase with a fully leveled ZY + 55-50 Team. The second phase is just a monster. You have to be lucky and pray that the positioning of the enemies works wonders for you, otherwise you will just be rolling around for repositioning or get busted because you made one mistake too much somewhere. Saying it's easy, just because he and others had luck and good rolls on the enemy movement is a bad joke. It's far from easy, with or without Jane. It's work
@@kurtmuhr5178 the real difference in my opinion is that the devs probably made this floor for Caesar but by doing so also made it 'easier' for Jane because the enemies are both weak to physical, assault now deals more daze, Jane has access to 3 dodges (I can easily hit the 2 dodge 2 sec limit with Anby if I'm not aware which is bad, because the enemies attack so frequently with hyper armor) and the long s of Jane's counter attack can give you some breathing room for all the aggressive and overlapping attacks from the enemies. Of course, because the enemies can deal huge amount of damage with each hit, have good tracking and they also have decent aoe in each hit as well, it's never going to be completely easy which is fine. The only real strategy I have seen from 'casual' players using the same F2P Zhu Yuan team as me is to mix it up attacking the enemies and slowly applying daze with EX and normal combos (also accumulating decibels) and then running away to avoid their overlapping attack combos and reset and repeat until one of them is dead so everything becomes more manageable, since we are not limited to a timer for S rank. The real challenge from doing this is patience and try to make fewer mistakes (i.e. check your greediness), otherwise a huge amount of time will be wasted starting over... I'm gonna try to implement this strategy at some point during my next attempts 😂
@@Akyx94 yeah that sounds reasonable. Patience seems to be key here, but if I wanna play a Souls Game, I would do so 😆 I decided I will keep upgrading all the small parts (like getting all drive disks to S, leveling them up fully) and team members since you need all of them present and hope for the best in like 30 days or so. We gonna make it 🫶🏻 take care!
I used my trusty Ellen team even though it has double ice resist. Turns out Lycaon is invulnerable for the entirety of the fight if you play him right, they die eventually.
You say you're not that good at the game, but I think you're being hard on yourself. I mean yeah maybe you're not as good as the fighting-game-players turned gatcha-game-players, but from the footage you've showed you've definitely got the skills.
i cleared first half no problem with piper 55/60 ben 30/30 and lucy 50/50 and then the second half doppleganger got me all the time. quickly check this video, turns out we need to kill that shadow asap and the stage becomes much easier (i run zhuyuan seth disorder team)
Double Thanatos on Gourth Frontier was absofuckinglutely brutal. I can't telegraph their attacks, can't evade, can't survive and never have a chance to attack.
I actually didnt have to whale on Ceaser this time. And I usually just spin for 1. I may have made an oopsie and wasted my resources on Jane. Im am scrapping the ground to build ceaser.
Honestly, I am happy with the new game mode. For the longest time, people looked at defense characters and went "why would we ever want to play them when we can just dodge or stun?" I Seth's massive shield was SO GOOD, the amount of damage it soaked up for my Jane would have killed her 5x over. 😂😂😂
@@abhiss6705that happened to me as well, except instead of koleda i have c2 neko plus her sig engine, still havent touched her. Would love to get koleda to pair with my ben though
Finally lost my first 50/50 on Caesar's banner (around 40 pulls in, not bad at all!). Got Soldier 11 instead, which is too little, too late (for my account). At this point I figure it's better for me to save my polychrome for Yanagi, since I don't have Grace but I do have Jane and Seth!
AYO I lost my 50/50 to S11 too, at least guaranteed for burnice now tho. Think I'm going to have to build her and Lucy for one side, the other will have to be Ellen. Maybe Anton even, thank God they made it 42 days so I can build coverage.
The worst part is trying to focus the Pulchra doppleganger, and having her pop her "stealth" ability. The ability to just suddenly ignore any and all incoming damage and force you to waste your time mashing X until it runs out is the worst mechanic ever designed. Especially when she's also allowed to fire her revolver at you in this state, an attack that has perfect tracking and a full second of active frames that cannot be dodge-countered at all and deals HALF OF YOUR FUCKING HEALTH
I just want to know how many ppl got stomped by the mech entering the first attempt, that was a jumpscare.
I almost added video of that happening! It is pain.
As soon as the stomp removed half of my health, I restarted LOL
me and not once
This guy.
when i saw this mode i was like "Nah, id win" Bro the last floor was literally pain
Stand proud Littorio, you are strong.
Fully agree that Caesar isn’t need at all. I did this with all a ranks and a rank w engines to show some people that it’s just not necessary to have Caesar or Jane to beat this with ease
Exactly!
ease up on the "ease" xD but y doable with anything just dont get hit
ALG saving countless lives out here
o7
I’m one of them
I hate Mors both in gameplay and story.
Dude just shotguns you and it’s unparryable. Also hate he works with Lucius, Pompey deserved better.
They did Pompey dirty 😢
Making both sides have Ice Resistance is EVIL!
Now I'm really going to have to make a third team since it looks like my Ellen and Jane Teams won't be able to carry me anymore.
Yeah Ellen fans got left in the dust here.
I cleared all 5 with my Ellen and Jane no biggie 👍
ellen easily wipes out both sides, dont worry
@@shadow3onishe does but i didn’t think they would strait up ban an element. Not my favourite precedent to set
The thing about this mode is that clear time doesn't matter, so you can still run Ellen, it'll just take longer. As long as you aren't greedy though and prioritize dodging over squeezing in more damage, you can use Ellen. I am on M0P0 Ellen and I cleared first side just fine with Ellen/Lucy/Soukaku. It did take like 6 minutes, but it's perfectly doable.
Dude I just want to say you're one of my favorite zzz creators, your content is always informative, entertaining, super easy to understand and super easy to implement into my own account, thanks for your hard work ALG.
And thank you for the support! I'll keep it up.
I just completed the 5th level today, and it felt freakin amazing to do. It felt really good to complete the part that they clearly wanted you to have Caesar to beat, it's essentially just beating the game on a Brutal Difficult instead of easy. I couldn't have done it though without targeting on the little dude in the 2nd phase, that tip really saved my skin LOL
Please continue to keep making videos like this, they're extremely helpful, and I always look forward to hearing what you speak about next~!
I'm really glad it was helpful, thanks for the support!
This comment is not for whales and dolphins, it's for you, average commenter gamer here just to say I really like the discussion videos about the game, keep doing the good job ❤
Thanks for the support!
I cleared it with Billy! These AI really have no idea what to do when I kite them out. It took about 3 minutes a stage though.
Nice! Loving your work.
real kiting them out basically invalidates half of their movesets
Man I hope Ambush Mode refreshes more often, once a patch and only 5 levels feels like something is going on... either they think it's gonna be too easy for people and players won't feel the need to build their characters for the content, or somehow players won't keep up with the meta and pulling for new characters to keep S ranking the content. It would make sense for Critical Node to continue to be the premier endgame mode because it's DPS focused and new characters will push DPS.
These doubts might not be true, but I also can't tell why else this mode wouldn't be as refreshed as Critical Node, or offer as many levels.
Personally, as someone who's bulk of action game content experience is Monster Hunter, I really enjoy potentially longer battles where your own aggression is balanced against by exercising patience and good longterm decision making. Disputed Node and Ambush Node are REALLY up my alley. And it's so fun to at least have the option to try something early with under levelled characters, that becomes drastically more difficult but is still possible. Fingers crossed we get more of this stuff!
They’re fun but don’t seem to last very long. I’d love to more frequent resets like you mentioned!
If they refreshed too often, people did not have time to build their character for this one
And for veteran player this mode is just cake walk and if it's refreshed often too will kinda make ez poly
Dev need money afterall to develop
The first Critical shiyu lasted for 30 days. Ambush node might reset twice per patch starting in 1.3 if they follow the same logic
Thanks, ALG! I just powered through the frustration of retrying a couple of times but with your teams I managed to clear the Ambush Node 5, 2nd half with the same team you used. I was about to give up and start building my benched L1 Koleda (or worse...pull a Caesar just for the shielding) to replace Anby and to satisfy at least the fire weakness but your tips especially focusing on the shadow made that half more manageable for my Zhu Yuan team.
Thanks for these guides and F2P/ low spender team tips! You made my resolve into going all into Burnice more solid and this blatant marketing ploy to sell Caesar didn't work on me :D
Steamrolled all 5 to S in first hours of the patch, Jane-Seth-Qingyu and Soldier-Koleda-Lucy, 50 lvl supports, 60 others. If my teams were not as developed these tips would be nice to keep in mind all the time, but I came with the same strategy as You.
This game mode is really fun, love that they experiment with content not relieable on timer - feels more like a AAA game then a Service based gacha imo
CAESAR came home after I finished the ambush mode. Hard work pays off.
- So, upon fighting story, we all know Jane is hell. Not just fighting strongest current bosskiller, we're fighting *meta itself* . However, modern problems can have old solutions, and Jane is not exception of this:
+ Parry all Jane's yellow flash attacks until Assist gauge ran out. When waiting for it to full, the real challenge starts here.
+ Jane's *4 hit dash n plunge combo* is her strongest attack, hinted by her long charging time with red flash. This attack has tracking, u cant just panic pressing shift key, u need proper timing! Dodge in a direction perpendicular to Jane's first dash, dodge 2nd time for 3rd dash, 3rd time for her plunge.
+ Dodge counters can punish Jane, but if and only if *Jane ends her combo* . Comprehending when Jane ends combo will take lots of efforts, so start with punishing her simple single dash/plunge.
+ Dont get greedy attempting to fill Jane's stun meter, especially u Qingyi users. Know when to retreat and keep distance of Jane to anticipate her dash.
+ Rinse n repeat till Jane dies.
A helpful observation for players who main Anby by choice or necessity: compared to all the other agents I own, Anby's dodge attack seems to have the shortest I-frame duration. So for more aggressive encounters, following up a perfect dodge with a dodge counter might put you in a bad spot.
For me, I start playing harder encounters like I do Elden Ring or Bloodborne and wait until a string ends to throw out a punish. And since perfect dodges build up Decibels, taking a breather by just dodging stuff isn't a bad play either.
Been rolling through with S11/Ben/Koleda and Anby/Piper/Seth for a large majority of fights with a relatively comfortable time. The second team's a bit slow on clear times but it gets the job done well enough.
I've actually had a problem with like 3rd node in Ambush, the one where jane doe doppelganger appears. I originally used Korin + Piper + Billy, which went quite catastrophically, so I then switched to Piper, Billy and Ben I think. Ben's ability to block so much and then counter-attack is priceless, and Billy helped quite a bit at getting away. Also armor which is the only reliable way to increase your hit points since there are no heal characters in zzz.
Ambush mode is my favorite. It is a fierce battle of attrition. The usual timed modes are just "you didn't upgrade your character enough? Well too bad you won't get an S" while in ambush everything depends on *YOU* the player, to use your agents' skills to their full potential and survive while fending off beasts.
I tried to clear it for a couple of hours, but my 2 teams are Ellen and Zhu Yuan. Ice resist both sides was a big middle finger from Hoyo.
I'll attempt again after getting Caesar or Burnice.
Them a ranks though? Piper team?
@@AverageLuckGamer I do have a Piper, its a matter of resources unfortunately. If I build Piper I may run out of stuff to build Caesar/Burnice, and I absolutely despise spending stamina in the Hoyo games on XP stuff lol.
Love your videos mate. Great stuff.
Prioritize dodging over squeezing damage with Ellen. I cleared first side with Ellen/Lucy/Soukaku with M0P0 ellen and pretty average builds on all of them. It took 6 minutes, but completely doable if you just prioritize dodging every time instead of trying to go for Basic 3.
Thank you for frequently updating. I often watch your videos.
Yeah I had 20,000 saved for Caesar and still didn't pull her. I mean I expected it after pulling Jane in 10, but it still sucks. I needed all the help I could get.
This node gave me quite the surprise with the jump in dmg from node 4 to 5. It was pretty fun with how fast paced it was and the enemies hit harder and attacked faster. Thanks for the guide😄
Has Ellen as main dps.
Both sides Ice resistant.
Well fuck me i guess.
ooof, sorry brother.
Soon they’re gonna do ether res to zhu.. wish me luck
This video is really helpful! Especially that ambush node 5 is the last level I haven't completed in Shiyu Defense and the one I'm struggling with at the moment. Thanks so much! Dub tips💯
If you have a character that can do evasive assist like Billy or Zhu yuan then make sure to use the time stop to reposition your self and get some breathing room. Billy's parry really saved me a bunch of times during those situations where both enemies start attacking you simultaneously
0:13 AYYOO what the bangboo doin?
Erm… lol
HE DOIN WHAT IM GONNA DO
What we all wanna do.
😂😂😂
you have no idea how much comfort caesar gave. yes you can still do it, bit its like saying amber can do abyss, its possible but do people want that much trouble? defense is a class hoyo made for the game, its stupid to think they wont do anything for it.
Very helpful video ong.
Just want to share my kinda awful experience playing ZZZ in low-end mobile.
Ever since the disputed node, this end game always kicked my ass. It take countless attempt for me to finish node 8 fighting that razan guy (iirc). Problems like dodge delay is always there for me. This video can cool my head and rethink my tactic on tackling Floor 5. I do pull for caesar so i would just need to lock in the second wave
he used blooming villain from hit game persona 5 lets gooo
Boss music innit
I’m a dolphin, but I just wanted to drop by and say I really enjoy your content. I like your voice and it’s super soothing when I’m stressing with work 😅
As for the topic of the video, I managed to clear without Caesar as well and fully think it’s possible to do so without her (though there will be some struggling getting there the first time lol - looking at my Jane who got stomped on in A5 first half because of the stupid mech dropping on her head 😂). But a lot of players are gonna 100% struggle with the patience thing because of the way DPS clear time is usually incentivized. That’s going to be the most difficult hurdle for some. Once people realize they have to be patient and can’t always just bulldoze through content, it should become easier for them.
I pretty much just kited through A5 2nd half and still managed to clear under 5 mins on mobile (I don’t have a PC or console so mobile is the main way I play). Like sometimes it’s ok to run away from the enemies, it’s also a strategy 😂
I think the longer the game goes on, the more people will have to rely on some of the “free” characters they’re getting and learn to play different team comps and implement different strategies. I feel like getting familiar with one or two could make things easier, and having a few you’re comfortable with even if they aren’t fully built is going to be advantageous no matter what. I have a barely built Ben that I never use usually, and I slapped him on to my second team (ZY and Nicole). He carried me through A5 2nd half. Sometimes you just have to make do!
I quite like the Ambush nodes better than the usual DPS time clears since I don’t have great luck with RnG and hate min/mid-maxing 🥴 Relying on a different sort of game strategy was a nice breath of fresh air. I really hope they come out with even more creative node modes in the future!
Best ZZZ content creator and it’s not even close. Thank you bro 🙏🏽
I really appreciate the support.
I cannot S the last stage, I will try this because i'm having trouble with the second half with my ZY team, lets see if it works.
My Jane team destroys both halfs in seconds, insanely broken. The second team is having some issues.
The biggest thing for me on the second half was focussing on the doppelgänger first, it seemed weird initially but it’s easier to dodge around the big guy, even when not looking at him as he’s more predictable. I talk it through on the video so hopefully it helps!
having a ranged chars helps a lot i use zy rina lucy. having evasive assist on rina helps a lot to just give me time to breathe
@@AverageLuckGamer problem is i can't for the goddamn life of me get the atrocious lock on to stick to the doppelganger. I'd run right up behind him at the start and somehow my moves always transfer to the big fella LMAO
Just use Ben solo.
@@AverageLuckGamer Finally , I made it. The trick was focusing the shadow, poking and running around while is red and go all in while its blue, it took like 15 minutes just that fight but finally I was able to get my S. Thanks dude.
Mindscapes on 4 star units are impactful to these things and should be noted, especially as the game gets older and the pool is diluted. For instance, I didn't have Piper at M4 (like the one in the video) until I went for Ceasar on her banner. Hoyo 4 star dups can make a huge difference in performance and should not to be neglected at least as a footnote.
despite for this video, i pulled for ceasar and won the 50/50 on my first 10 pull at 0 pity. My f2p dreams have come true.
I AM SO TALENTED THAT I ALREADY DID IT BEFORE THIS VIDEO CAME OUT
the best tip its just be better
I cleared the first round with a full ice team..... Surprisingly no deaths but def took me a lot of tries and time
Cleared 5th node with Zhu 1st side and Piper/Soldier/Lucy 2nd side. As long as you keep the small enemy on your screen as much as possible and stay calm you can do it!
That doppelganger on the second half can be quite annoying!
That last level clapped my cheeks harder than Billy claps his every video
*most videos lol
This shit was so much fun, hard as hell too for my second team. First team was an easy sweep but the second team was with Jane but Seth and Rina were both level 10, with level 0 engines, shit was a STRUGGLE but we S ranked it out. Great tips as well! Best tip ever, know thy enemy.
N.E.P.S was definetly a butt time now with Calydons we got a tid(d)y time with Caesar and Burnice.
New mode looks fun, gotta tackle it this weekend when I got time. Nicole EX attack on gamepad is excellent if you use her alternative longer animation mode, on keyboard it's near impossible to pull off but that EX animation gives ALOT of time to take a breather while dealing damage.
Yeah, I should have mentioned that.
they finally fixed the bugged button layout on mobile, I can finally have my own custom pad layout. Now I gotta get used to it, and overwrite my muscle memory. But then I remember’d blitz mode was also added, so my mistakes while learning are less punished
I found it fine. Jane hard carried me though especially since I have her really built up at this point. Definitely enjoy the adjusted focus though on survival over time clear in this mode
Yeah, I originally planned this video showing my Jane first half but it was just too boring (easy). Hence why I mixed it up with Piper.
This challenge makes me appreciate how many and long koleda's s ae
woot
I managed it with Ellen on my first half. It was rough, but my only other well built dps was jane, and I had her on second half. For anyone else trying to pull it off with Ellen, what ended up working for me was mostly what the video shows.
I have Koleda at m2 because she's all I get on standard banner lol, so I focused on landing repeated stuns with koleda and then abusing Ellen's very long invuln on her ex, plus the fact that her third hit lets her switch sides on the enemy to deal solid, relatively safe dps during stun windows. Pulchra's machine gun absolutely shreds though, and gives very little warning, so it's super important to be aware of where she is and what she's doing. Anby, Lycaon, or Qingyi could probably manage similar results, but Koleda felt optimal because of the elemental weakness.
The good thing that I don't have the skills to abuse or even test is all these new doppelganger characters seem to be able to be juggled, no need to stun if you can just keep them in the air
Dude, Thanatos is the bane of my existence. I just can't keep track of this guy
As a backseat gamer I've couldn't help but notice a few times that it seems like you are not being optimal with Lucy after a chain attack (like in 5:28 ). You can just hold the skill button until she has the "batter ready" pose and then quick assist off the chain, and she will complete the EX hold skill on her own in the background. Sorry for being off-topic for the video...
It was pain in the ass to clear last floor with Ellen, not only because of resistance, but also due to aggressiveness of the enemies. Second side with nekomata was easy though, first try for everything, I guess she will be forever my goto character if I don't have strict time limits
Ben Bigger stocks rising
I know its a waste, but i wanna pull for the engine just to make my ben better at support xC
I built my Ben recently to help me with the harder content in the game and I actually really enjoy his play style! Everyone should stop sleeping on Ben, Caesar definitely isn't a necessity. (I still pulled for her anyway because she's cute lol)
This game is so fun
Really is! And it kind of goes to show you can still play how you want and with what characters you want.
Cool, this video came out just as I'm struggling with the Jane doppelganger
I focused the big guy in the second half too for a few tries until I got fed up with the doppelganger and went after him like he owed me money 🤣
Honestly, I was so excited to see ether resistance on floor 5 that I threw my Zhu Yuan at it immediately. She still cleared it faster than my S11 + Caesar team, though it took me two tries.
Edit: I just noticed that I had swapped my Caesar and Qingyi's W-engines, so my Qingyi had Original Transmorpher on the entire time and I never noticed lol.
Madlad, love it
Got Caesar. It's so easy. My savings were worth it.
Any defense characters make this mode much easier, i dont have caesar but ben has carried me hard, love him
This video is a bit old now, but here's my report:
I tried to clear the first stage with Koleda, Ben and Lucy, but no matter how hard I tried to dodge and parry, the mech always killed Koleda. The shield that Ben gave her didn't help much at all. After three hours and countless fails I finally switched to Jane, Seth and Grace, and they quickly made short work of the enemies. I then used the fire team for the second stage and it went so much better, I think I even cleared it first try (I didn't, I actually failed once, but after all that sh!t in stage 1 it genuinely felt like a first try clear)
I’m not sure what I’m missing, but my Zhu Yuan ult is not doing anywhere near what yours is on the second stage. Like not even half as much. I’ve got the recommended disks, lvl 60, the gun wengine at level 40, I’m applying disorder and ulting during the stun window but it’s just not doing anything close to what yours is.
There’s a couple of things involved in buffing up Zhu as much as possible. Firstly launch the chain with your swing jazz holder, the make sure to EX special with zhu first, as it ups her crit rate. Get Nicole’s debuff from her EX special on the enemy too and then go for it. You can see in the video I don’t always do this perfectly. Also get your Wengine upto 60! If you’re looking for more help me and my community can help you out on discord, we have a specific help section!
@@AverageLuckGamer just wanted to let you know, this reply made such a massive difference. It’s like I finally understand how to play the team now, thanks a ton!!
All great tips require sacrifice. Threw all my polychrome's and pulls for Cesar and her BIS engine when i was planning to hold them for Burnice. But i have now plenty of time to hoard polychrome's to make sure i get Miyabi.
4:05
You know the "attention holding walk" doesn't work if you cover it up.
doh!
After all this time, I finally ended ambush node 5… with an ellen team at the start and zhu team at tthe last
(don’t have jane unfortunately. Tried running a piper team and it just didn’t click for me)
incase anybody want to try:
first team is ellen qingyi soukaku
second team is zhuyuan anby nicole
as ALG said, just take your time. AN doesn’t require a time limit so just take it easy. took me 12 minutes (not counting the countless hours I took to retry the level for each death) but yea. Hope this helps felllas
also if it made anyone feel better: my Anby had shit build and my soukaku was missing slot5 disc because I forgot I temporarily used it on seth (the aforementioned piper team)
lighter is voiced by the goat aleks lee who voices p3r mc so he’s a must pull for me
His voice is actually great!
You made it look easy and it was really rough for me. I would love to know your disc sets on your characters because you’re doing so much more damage than I am. Great job by the way.
You're not bad at the game man, you're Average 👍
I'm just happy they didn't put a Razor type enemy in this (as in an enemy that two shots any character)
Excellent guide 👌 pretty much agree that Caesar isn't necessary at all to beat ambush mode, tho my Corin-Lucy-Caesar melted these guys in seconds, which is immensely satisfying!
Noice!
My luck is higher than average but my skill is below average so this video still helps!
I didt it with the Ellen ice team and holy, Lycaon s carried me but had to retry it like 5 times
Worst part was the bullet shots that did a lot of damage and sometimes killed my squishy soukaku
I actually tried on the ambush nodes just to prove to myself that I don’t need her. And I did it without her. Great video btw.
Nice work!
And even following these tips it's still not fucking possible. Pretty much all the post launch enemies deal 30+% damage a hit.
It’s possible I literally had one team that was just Piper, lucy and neko which isn’t the best team and got S it takes patience like he said don’t get greedy once u study the patterns of the enemies the dodging becomes easier
@@Cyilus_Worldit's hard when u dont have a level 50+ character(damage penalty) or a well invested seth or ben who can give armor, pulchra is the most broken boss in this stage, her pistol barrage literally takes like 1/4 to 1/3 of your health and it's hard af to block with all the visual clutter and the big robot in your face all the time and she staggers you if she connects a certain no. of shots leaving u vulnerable to the robot's attack. I am currently stuck at the last stage on my 2nd acc as my ik level is only 45 there. It's just absolutely bs that a ranged barrage of attack can take that much health in a two man boss stage, it is certainly incentivising a certain way of playinh unless u have a high dps character, this stage is a breeze with my Jane doe on my main tho as she has very high dps and my neko team is not that strong very low dps but since she's lvl 60 and suffer less damage penalty i can do it. Anyone with any limited character should be able to clear it but for those without it's quite difficult, like zhu yuan is like highest burst dps ofc you can clear it without caesar lmao
For the life of me i just couldn't do the second side with Zhu Yuan, so had to use her on the first side even with the ether resistance
Any thoughts on doing A rank only guides for some of the harder content? Could be handy for folk who get decidedly unlucky
Persona OST is always a win lol. If you are bad at the game, I guess I must be a monkey with a controller on my hands. Even then, I'll try this mode eventually... even tho I'm not even done with basic Shiyu Defense yet
You got this man.
@@AverageLuckGamer with your guides I sure do
I lost my 50/50 to S11 and can't clear floor 4 so thinking about raising a defender. Ben seems to fit my account since I have koleda and just got blessed? with a fire dps. No anomaly units built so Seth doesn't seem useful rn, not sure which will fit my acc long term?
Lost my 50/50 to S11 as well 😢 Rn tryin to get these last 20 pulls for Caesar
I just beat it with exactly the same team setup! Difficult but very much doable.
Bold of you to assume I've had the time to try this yet 😅currently sweating bullets at the critical node reset at the end of the weekend and I haven't touched it yet. After I get that done I'll consider it. Looks like it won't be much of an issue with Jane and Zhu Yuan at least.
Yeah you'll have it.
I just wanna share my f2p take.I have just enough pulls to gurantee one char I am not gonna pull Caesar.Caesar isn't a Zhongli and Bennett(like a CC said in a guide video), its just a more support-oriented Zhongli, since the 1000+ atk buff is kinda underwhelming imo(Sokaku can do potentially more). Caesar improves QOL while fighting while giving you an atk buff and dmg buff, that's that. Atm, there are 3 teams, The ice team(ellen-anby/Lyc-Sokaku), The Ether team(zhu-anby/qingyi-nicole) and Caesar doesn't justify a place for her in either team as the supports in them are very tailored-made to cater them. As for the third team(Jane-Seth-Rina/Lucy) I feel Burnice might just be a much better support than for every Anamoloy team coming in future(a Kafka, if I might) so am gonna hold out for her. The shield and anti-interrupt ar absolutely great but her need for enemy agro is a big con. Lastly, this game has 3 member teams which makes it so that generalists are gonna face much more competition that tailor-made supports. This is just my take, and I would be very happy if someone points out anything they disagree with, but please keep it polite in the comments.
Just pull an Anomaly team and have them already built and ready. Why didn't I think of that?
Jane definitely made this easier, but if it came to it I know I could just take forever to clear it by hit and running with A ranks
Watching while not even having Ambush Node unlocked 🗿🙃👍
Appreciate the support!
Same bratha and also pulled caesar for more easy-going combat in future
@@tofu5856 noice👍
I am pretty screwed this time around. My only built teams are Ellen and Zhu. I have yet to fully build out my Jane and Seth. This game really wants you to have Ms and Wengines. My biggest holdback is getting enough resources. Cesar is cool but I plan to get Lighter, Yanagi, and maybe Miyabi assuming she isn’t right after those 2. Lighters is a fire stun and Yanagi is electro Anomaly so I’m saving her for my Rina and Jane teams while Lighter obviously sticks with fire teams. I don’t really know where to place Cesar if I were to get her honestly, I can only imagine placing her with Jane and Piper but that’s about it
Managed to finish shiyu defense with Zhu-yuan /Anby/ Nicole and Jane/Piper/Lucy. Took ancouple tries. It waa funny in node 4 the Pulchra doppelganfer kept walking away sometimes and juat letting me breathe until I beat the big mech. First time tgis happened I let my guard down and got destroyed by her.
I would have had an easier time if my Piper and Lucy weren't level 40 with really bad discs but Jane carry is real
Am i cooked (m2 ellens the only dps i have built)
It’s still doable! I’ve seen clears!
do with piper level 50/60 with ben (at least level 30/30 running freedom AM disc 6) and lucy level 50/50 (running 4pc jazz 2pc punk atk/atk/atk disc)
Ellen is not bad in the the second half . If you can manage to kill the phantom / shadow enemies fast , the big brute guy has predicatable attack patterns.
If you have lycaon as your stunner , you can some of the shadows hits and dps the robot the down.
lycaon's res shred means resistance doesnt imapct ellen as much as it does other dps units. unless you dont have lycaon...
Ended up beating first half with Ellen premium team, regardless of the resistances that team has a lot of I frames on their attacks. Second half Jane cleared pretty easily
5th first half was easy, but second half I felt like my Zhu Yuan was doing no damage.
PS. Beat it, tweaked leveled up some Zhu Yuan talents, and then swapped in Koleda for Anby, and the ability to have all that stun packed into burst windows really helped. Didn't take long to get Mors down and then I just had to make sure not to make a mistake with the big guy.
Teams:
60 Jane+ 60 Stinger/45 Seth M2+50 Peacekeeper S4/35 Lucy+16 Reverb MK3 (She is there for moral support honestly)
60 Zhu Yuan+ 60 Brimstone/40 Koleda M1+30 Steam Oven S4/40 Nicole M6+40 The Vault S2
Thanks for the content as always, btw what's the name of the sound effect at 0:13?
Piccolo: "Dodge Gohan!"
after only using Jane and Ellen for a long time i finally have a reason to dust off my Soldier 11
I literally used ellen team 1st half and zhuyuan team 2nd half and just stun turbo'd into 1 cycle on both sides lol
I'm struggling on floor 5 side 2 and I feel like the only real tip given in this video for this side is to go for Mors first, which makes sense but doesn't really help that much if that's the only tip given besides exploiting Ex s (which most people should know by now if they care about the endgame difficulty), considering they attack so aggressively (almost nonstop if you're close to them) with overlapping attacks and the brute constantly running up to your face while Mors is keeping his distance away.
I feel like the guide for floor 5 side 2 would be more complete if you also analyzed the enemies attack patterns and showed us what to look out for, how to deal with their aggressiveness and maybe how to manipulate the AI to our advantage in e.g during the stun window when both of them are still alive etc.
For example, Mors has a lot of attacks with few yellow parry prompts (e.g the first attack in his slap, kick shoot combo) and I feel like most of his attacks give you less than a second to react to (e.g his grenade throw or gunshot outside his normal combo string). Not paying attention to this will make it more difficult focusing on Mors alone while the brute keeps intercepting you.
Most infuriating is that the devs still haven't optimized the enemy locking system. If I manually lock on to Mors, the locking will almost instantly go back to the brute. If I manage to stun the brute first giving me time to go for Mors, the game will instantly aim back at the brute even if I manually try to lock on to Mors etc.
I'm almost regretting not getting Jane and all her counter attacks since I'm using the same team as you and Anby's ex really just isn't that impressive. I guess I'll have to keep analyzing this floor along with upgrading my agents 😭
Ma Dude, I even got Jane pretty beefed up but still have issues with the second phase with a fully leveled ZY + 55-50 Team. The second phase is just a monster. You have to be lucky and pray that the positioning of the enemies works wonders for you, otherwise you will just be rolling around for repositioning or get busted because you made one mistake too much somewhere. Saying it's easy, just because he and others had luck and good rolls on the enemy movement is a bad joke. It's far from easy, with or without Jane. It's work
@@kurtmuhr5178 the real difference in my opinion is that the devs probably made this floor for Caesar but by doing so also made it 'easier' for Jane because the enemies are both weak to physical, assault now deals more daze, Jane has access to 3 dodges (I can easily hit the 2 dodge 2 sec limit with Anby if I'm not aware which is bad, because the enemies attack so frequently with hyper armor) and the long s of Jane's counter attack can give you some breathing room for all the aggressive and overlapping attacks from the enemies.
Of course, because the enemies can deal huge amount of damage with each hit, have good tracking and they also have decent aoe in each hit as well, it's never going to be completely easy which is fine.
The only real strategy I have seen from 'casual' players using the same F2P Zhu Yuan team as me is to mix it up attacking the enemies and slowly applying daze with EX and normal combos (also accumulating decibels) and then running away to avoid their overlapping attack combos and reset and repeat until one of them is dead so everything becomes more manageable, since we are not limited to a timer for S rank. The real challenge from doing this is patience and try to make fewer mistakes (i.e. check your greediness), otherwise a huge amount of time will be wasted starting over... I'm gonna try to implement this strategy at some point during my next attempts 😂
@@Akyx94 yeah that sounds reasonable. Patience seems to be key here, but if I wanna play a Souls Game, I would do so 😆 I decided I will keep upgrading all the small parts (like getting all drive disks to S, leveling them up fully) and team members since you need all of them present and hope for the best in like 30 days or so. We gonna make it 🫶🏻 take care!
I used my trusty Ellen team even though it has double ice resist. Turns out Lycaon is invulnerable for the entirety of the fight if you play him right, they die eventually.
You say you're not that good at the game, but I think you're being hard on yourself. I mean yeah maybe you're not as good as the fighting-game-players turned gatcha-game-players, but from the footage you've showed you've definitely got the skills.
i cleared first half no problem with piper 55/60 ben 30/30 and lucy 50/50
and then the second half doppleganger got me all the time. quickly check this video, turns out we need to kill that shadow asap and the stage becomes much easier (i run zhuyuan seth disorder team)
piper team clear like 2 minutes and a half
that double thanatos stage infuriates me... jesus. my ellen team gets annihilated (for the record my only teams are jane doe and ellen joe)
Im not having fun anymore 😢
Welcome to hoyoverse games
personal problem.
Double Thanatos on Gourth Frontier was absofuckinglutely brutal. I can't telegraph their attacks, can't evade, can't survive and never have a chance to attack.
N° 1 Tip: Use Jane Doe because she requires next to no skill and deals a shit ton of damage.
No hate btw, I just find Jane very silly.
Yup, thats why shes the best character and has the best ASSets you know👍
@@justasleepyfool The power of her quick ASSist
It’s too true, hence why I didn’t bother talking through her clear, it was too easy.
I love being able to trigger a dodge mid animation to save my life
I actually didnt have to whale on Ceaser this time. And I usually just spin for 1. I may have made an oopsie and wasted my resources on Jane. Im am scrapping the ground to build ceaser.
Honestly, I am happy with the new game mode. For the longest time, people looked at defense characters and went "why would we ever want to play them when we can just dodge or stun?"
I Seth's massive shield was SO GOOD, the amount of damage it soaked up for my Jane would have killed her 5x over. 😂😂😂
Lost all my 50:50 in this game.
This game hates me.
Starting to think about building Ben just so I have a defender character for thiese bosses
We are in the same boat my friend , lost 4 in a row and I have a c3 Koleda (a char i absolutely hate)
@@abhiss6705that happened to me as well, except instead of koleda i have c2 neko plus her sig engine, still havent touched her. Would love to get koleda to pair with my ben though
Finally lost my first 50/50 on Caesar's banner (around 40 pulls in, not bad at all!). Got Soldier 11 instead, which is too little, too late (for my account). At this point I figure it's better for me to save my polychrome for Yanagi, since I don't have Grace but I do have Jane and Seth!
Seth is cracked. He carries.
You will want that Soldier 11 when Obol Squad starts dropping in the distant future.
AYO I lost my 50/50 to S11 too, at least guaranteed for burnice now tho. Think I'm going to have to build her and Lucy for one side, the other will have to be Ellen. Maybe Anton even, thank God they made it 42 days so I can build coverage.
The worst part is trying to focus the Pulchra doppleganger, and having her pop her "stealth" ability. The ability to just suddenly ignore any and all incoming damage and force you to waste your time mashing X until it runs out is the worst mechanic ever designed. Especially when she's also allowed to fire her revolver at you in this state, an attack that has perfect tracking and a full second of active frames that cannot be dodge-countered at all and deals HALF OF YOUR FUCKING HEALTH