I’ve lost all but 2 of my 50/50s to her lmao. Hopefully by my 300 pick I’ll have lost another 50/50 but to soldier 11 and pick up another rina (by that time it will be m6) lmao
Grace was the first 5 star I got and I’m playing her a lot since 1.0. In my experience she is way stronger in disorder than mono electro. I feel like her passive is a bit of a trap since applying electro from none anomaly teammates will lower her anomaly damage. I started with Grace and Anton in which Anton yoinks the anomaly all the time and the damage becomes very underwhelming. Once I switched to Grace Piper Lucy she became very strong. Later exchanged Lucy for Caesar and Piper for Jane and Burnice and both of these variations are extremely strong. Graces anomaly build up is wicked fast and you can trigger a lot of disorder. I don’t think Grace in a pure electro team will be particularly viable until we’ll get more characters that synergise with her properly.
Anomaly dmg is based on amount of application For example if Grace applied 80% and anton applied the remaining 20% I'm quite sure that the shock dmg would be 80% grace + 20% anton shock dmg (Correct me if I'm wrong)
@ you’re correct. The problem with Anton is that he builds anomaly pretty fast during his dps window and I often trigger anomaly again with 100% contribution from Anton. In that case the first anomaly application that had mixed contribution gets overridden. It’s really quite frustrating and why I dropped Anton fairly quickly.
@@stevendabady7049 hope you’ll enjoy her. She builds anomaly very fast which is why I like her in disorder teams. No where near the damage of Yanagi but still a lot of fun to play.
@aluinkali7100 yeah that's why I'm gonna build her. I was hoping to pull her sooner in my normal pulls but this is an easy choice, I've been wanting her since launch 😎
Something to mention is how quick and easy it is for Rina to trigger QA unlke Soukaku who requires a very long animation whether through Chain Attacks or Hold EX, Rina's animations are very quick. Because its so easy for Rina to QA, you have easy access to Ellen's Quick Charge tech which is good for Ellen who's a field time hog. One of the combos I learned from the NEDS discord is to go into Ellen's N3, backswap immediately to Rina while Ellen is still kicking to EX Special on Rina then QA into quick charge again for Ellen. This keeps Ellen's stacks very high through the fight while also keeping Rina's Pen buff active.
There is no reason to play around Rina's shock duration on a disorder team, the longer the shock the more damage your disorder does, because the more time left on the disorder the more damage is calculated to the disorder damage. The +electric damage to shocked enemies also counts when you disorder the shock anomaly so not only do you get more damage because shock lasts longer, that shock is also increased by 10% damage. Disorder that shock as soon as possible for a massive disorder proc.
Yup, forgot to talk about the increased Shock Duration increasing Disorder damage, +3s is a lot of damage and no reason to ignore. Thanks for pointing it out ❤ However, the extra DMG% is not going to be taken into account on the Disorder. That's because the 10% Electric DMG didn't exist when first applying shock, since Rina only gives to you AFTER the Shock is applied, and disorder uses the same stats from the applied anomaly.
Mindscape 4 being "only protection" undersells it dramatically. Like ellen, her last hit in the basic combo does the best damage. It's also got a super long animation she can easily be knocked out of. M4 changes this, yes ceasar fixes the problem as well but this let's you run full fire and leave ceasar for the other side.
I hesitated between Rina, Soldier 11 and Koleda, then i lost my 50/50 on Lighter's to get Rina, so as i lack resources and like confort, i went for Rina's M1. No regrets :)
“You cannot play grace as a main dps”. Me getting S rank on all shiyu defense flors with Grace/Seth/Qingyi with f2p w-engines: Ok But I do understand that is not her “optimal” play style. I just never heard of that before and invested in her, and surprise, she did the job. Maybe I wouldn’t have tried her as a DPS if I heard this advice back then, but I’m glad I never heard this. And by dps I only mean she is on-field most of the time, not that I built her with crit.
It's mostly because her damage output is heavily limited since shock can only trigger once every second, but good to know you're clearing Shiyu Defense with Grace ❤️ Are you using ATK on Disc 6?
@@Docttur some people just dont follow meta which is understandable personally wouldn't pull for qingyi as an example i personally find her ugly and not big fan of her character i would rather have ice stunner in my team which is obv lycaon imo
@@Merimez Absolutely, you dont need to follow any meta, I'm just saying characters have "roles". Grace is better as sub dps, not main. BUT theres nothing wrong with playing suboptimal teams if those are the ones you enjoy. Happy gaming!
Thanks for your take on these units! I'll be picking Lycaon bc its my favorite unit since day 0 of this game and STILL don't have one for my own. Since i'll be skipping Lighter's banner for Miyabi, its perfect to my account overall
I went with Lycaon because I really needed an ice stunner. I got Rina early on and her pen ratio buff is not to be ignored. I still don’t have Grace and Koleda.
Lycaon is a really solid one. Decent damage considering its not his job, good at stunning and especially great in mono ice teams. And sionce Soukaku is basically given out for free you can already use those two as the core of an ice team, and pair that with an extra support (and Miyabi is a great way to complete said team and is currently available)
Thanks for the video, i was doubting if should pick Soldier 11 or Lycaon, because i'm going all out for Miyabi when she's released, but now i'm reasured to go for Lycaon.
@1:16 THANK YOU for the being one of the few, if not, the only RUclips content creator who has pointed this out! This whole time I thought Grace's passive increases Disorder damage. But secretly it was Rina's passive via extending Shock by 3seconds (since majority of content glue these two together all the time, which makes sense but it's hard to assess their kits since they are described as 1 unit) This is so important b/c if you're forced to split Grace and Rina (ie. deadly assault needing 3 teams), it's 3seconds of Shock damage you're losing out on. Which is way more digestible of accepting this loss compared to losing "18/36% Shock amplification" for teambuilding
I use Grace as a main DPS on my team 2 out of necessity. I also used her along side Piper in an anomaly build prior to landing Burnice. Grace is a bit underwhelming but is mobile enough to keep safe but the W's come slow. 11/10 feet
I fell better for losing 50/50 to Rina TWICE now, even after already having her from the standard banner so, I own a M2 Rina which was benched for a while because I had no idea if she was useful lmao, my luck with ZZZ's gacha has been quite bad, besides the three Rinas, I also got two copies of Nekomata's weapon, fortunately Lighter broke my curse, won 50/50 for the first time and got his weapon in a single 10 pull, hopefully this luck continues with Myiabi 🙏
i picked lycaon and im so glad i did with miyabi's reveal lol. i would've probably picked gracw or rina otherwise though. nekomata has been completely usurped and soldier 11 is only really good for one team.
I use Rina with yanagi and Seth and that team is extremely solid. Sub 1 minute clears in shiyu 7. Let's me also use Burnice and Caesar with piper on the other side. Yanagi with Burnice is just a cheat code though
The plan was to get either Grace or Nekomiya as those two are the only ones I don't have yet. But an M1 Rina probably would be the smartest idea. Thing is, I'm kind of more of a "collector" than anything else, and I've wanted Nekomiya since before the game even released. For now though I'm waiting for my next random S-rank pull before I cash in the freebie.
Rina is such a game changing unit. I feel it would be folly to ignore her if you're don't have her. Grace was my first 5 star through luck, she's alright for movement purposes. but you just blast till grenades are full and throw her grenades. Rina is soooo different from all the other characters.
So, about Billy. He's easily beats Neko if you have mindscape 2. Mindscape 2 gives him a dodge roll, not to mention his kit is really good for knocking out groups of enemies with chain attacks also getting the passive stacks for the ult, which can shred enemies very easily. His passive works on most of his attacks granted you don't return to standing before you activate something, his best ability is the ability to play as a pseudo-sustainer in how you can roll any attack like any other dodge with no penalty and this doesn't interfere with other dodges. Neko literally can't keep up. The original three gentle house members is a regular team I use in Shiyu Critical 7
Needed that Grace. Was not disappointed! My game has been spamming me with Sol 11 and Nekos. Both at 2 dupes a piece. I dont think it knows there are other standard 5* characters. RIP my hopes of ever getting Koleda because they just gave me 2 lighters in my first ten pull for him. I dont think ill be lucky enough to get a Lyacon so after Miyabi, Im not summoning anymore. Period.
Got Lycaon early in the game and ended up getting his W-Engine close to the 300 mark. Would be ok getting his M1, but not gonna pull hard for the other units. Ultimately decided with Soldier 11 in hopes of pulling Lighter, and Nekomata trolled me twice on his 50/50. 😢 Still a few weeks left, really need a fire unit.
Rina is the most future proof, Lycaon is the most relevant, Soldier 11 doesnt have any competition in slot and likely wont until after her faction drops, Grace might be servicable with Harumasa drop, and while Koleda is the best stunner shes overall the most useless unless you have soldier 11 already. As for Nekomata, shes actually pretty good with her m1 + weapon and lets be real, most of us suffer her curse and have her mindscape 2 by now... but she really is pretty good with Caesar and Lucy.
We're getting a fire DPS in 1.5 (Evelyn) so Solider 11 will get replaced very soon. Rina is only relevant if you get M1, so if people already have a copy of Rina they 100% should pick up her Mindscape. Lycaon is unlikely to get replaced for a while as we just got Lighter who fills a similar role, and Lighter is only a minor upgrade on Ice teams (with the benefit that he works on Fire teams too). I think Koleda has good future value, her issue right now is not having a good team since she requires a Fire character (only Solider 11 rn since she doesn't fit onto any Burnice teams) or a Belobog character (they're all mediocre). I think she's a good pickup since we're getting a Fire DPS next patch. I don't think Grace/Solider/Nekomata are worth picking up meta-wise just because all they do is damage and that's the first type of character to get powercrept, and 2/3 of them already have been powercrept in their roles (Yanagi for Electric Anomaly, Jane Doe for Physical DPS, and IMO Piper and Billy with Mindscapes were already far better than Nekomata M0).
I'll probably grab Soldier 11 if I don't pull her before I get to choose, otherwise I'll be going for Koleda mindscapes because I want to have her M6 one day (might not be the best choice in terms of efficiency, but I just really like that little angry gremlin)
My unfortunate luck has me owning a M2 Koleda, my latest 50/50 loss gave me Rina and I got Nekomata off the standard banner. With Harumasa being given to us for free I don't see the need for Grace anymore since I can just pair him with Qingyi and Rina. Qingyi and Koleda being such good stunners makes pulling for Lyacon unnecessary especially given Qingyi's versatility so I'll be getting S11 so I can pair her with Burnice and Lucy/Caesar.
I need Lycoan, my only ice agent is Soukaku and is not enough damage, especially when Nicole is also a support character, and having two support in the team to do the commissions where is recommended ice and ether does not work well.
seems like a pretty easy choice for me, I got the curse of Nekomata in the standard channel (twice...), I lost 1 50/50 to S11 and I just got Lighter that powercreeps both Koleda and Lycaon. EZ Rina
Lighter doesn't really powercreep Lycaon, Lycaon is only used in Ice teams and Lighter performs very similarly to him in those teams (Miyabi/Ellen). He is a damage upgrade over Koleda in a Fire team for sure, but I believe Koleda does have faster Stun buildup than Lighter and she buffs Chain Attacks so she still has a niche. IMO Lighter is a major skip just because we already 2 characters that work perfectly on the two types of teams he can buff (Ice and Fire) and his buffs aren't so astronomical that you absolutely need him on those teams (unlike someone like Caesar or Qingyi).
I'll see when i finally get my 300. I already have lycaon on m2 while i don't have rina and lycaon m4 is a shield while you are doing charged basic attacks which i feel is much more valuable right now than a completely new character to build. But I'll see after miyabi banner in two weeks as i have 120 pulls and currently at 14 till hard pity with a previous 50/50 loss.
I chose Lycaon for mine mainly because he was the only Standard aside from Nekomata that I didn’t have already lol. And my Rina was already M1 so it was an easy choice 😅
Assuming I have this right though Koleda gives 70% more damage on chain attack on stunned enemies which already take bonus damage from being stunned and is the main source of damage on bosses in particular or at least the most dps on most bosses.. thats not bad at all assuming you set up both stacks prior, thats like 20 different resonium card's effects ×2 for free
Considering I've gotten Lycaon's weapon from the standard already, I need him for my Ellen team and I don't have him. He's my pick. Now, if I manage to get Grace's weapon as well before Grace herself, then it might be her for a disorder team. Seeing as I already have Rina, these two would pair well together with Burnice. I have no interest in Nekomata, already have Koleda and S11 so none of them are even being considered as my picks. It really boils down to Lycaon or Grace.
I want to have Lycaon since I started the game, I like to have stunners in my team comps and I hope it will help with the new triple threat event where you need three unique teams against each boss.
I since I lost the lighter 50\50 to Grace I was thinking of putting her in a team with Seth and Jane. she gets her bonus, has sustain, and can trigger disorder. I could also slot in Harumasa in place of Seth (whos M6) for more DPS. I only need Neko and Koleda, and I have M2 Rina after losing losing 2 50\50s with her. I also have lighter who I plan on pairing with Lucy and Soldier 11
I think I will go for Grace. I have a Jane + Seth combo with Rina. This a really fun to play but very awkward bootleg disorder team xD Both Burnice and Yanagi hates me a did not want to join... Edit: Forgot that my reasoning is that even when Grace is only doing phys attack it builds phys anomaly So that is why with this setup no matter who does what it goes towards disorder either way
I am honestly lost. I have M1 Rina and M1 Lycaon, M0 Koleda (w/e). As for the damage dealers... don't really for Grace all that much (for all the reasons you outlined), I have M2 Jane (so nekomata is EXTRA dead), and Burnice (so S11 is w/e). I guess i'll bank it to pick up Lycaon or Rina's M4 (assuming I get unlucky enough to get either of them to M3).
Came back after i stopped playing after Zhu Yuan, Got Rina and her M1 pulling for Miyabi and getting an S rank from standard, so my options are S11/Nekko (Don't have any other character they really go with), Lyacon M1, or Grace M1 to go with Harumasa and Rina.
With your situation, I think just leaving it be for now could be a good choice. You can always choose later if you want a specific mindscape for somebody
I already had Rina M1, so I pulled Soldier 11. Only ones missing now I lycaon and Grace, but I habe good stunners and Yanagi, so I really don't need them
Looking at my account, it's between Rina c0 or Lycaon c2 for me. Harumasa will cover my lack of electric damage, and I can build Nicole instead of Rina I don't find his charging too obstructive personally
I have Rina m1 but I'm not interested in/I don't see myself ever using the other agents I don't have (grace, koleda, lycheon) since I have units that surpass them so I still think I want another copy of Rina to speed up the eventual max copies I wanna have
I was stuck between Rina and Lycaon but I have enough stunners that the smartest choice is Rina just to bump mine up to M1. Rina just doesn't get a lot of team utility due to no decent electric allies, I regret ignoring Yanagi but she looked so basic despite how well she does disorder. I might miss the extra passive and have 2/3 members fulfilled when building but penetration will definitely go a long way than what the others provide.
Im only choosing Lycoan because I dont already have him despite playing since Day 1 (Miyabi gonna be more motivated than ever before when that happens)
Grace and Neko are literally the only 2 I'm missing and Neko is the only one I have to have. I got M1 S11. Her timing is actually pretty easy and I'm bad at timing attacks.
Even tho some challenges are more demanding than Genshin in ZZZ, I still choose character that I like over character that would benifit me. So even tho Grace and Rina would be a great addition to play with Anton or Harumasa, I don't thing I need them since I have Qingqyi and Caesar and I really don't like Grace and Rina design and personnality. I would have liked to get Nekomata in the early game but now, when I test her in event she feels kind of clunky and not that powerfull, and since I already enjoy Corin as physical dps I probably won't build Nekomata right away if she appears on some 5050. I Have Lighter and I like him so Koleda and Lycaon aren't needed, even tho I have Ellen and it would be nice to have Lycaon so I can play Lighter in other team in Shiyu. So Koledo is a no go but Lycaon might be a choice. And for Soldier 11 the standard banner already gave me M1O1 so she's cooking really hard, she might be my best character so far, playing with Lighter to increase damages and Burnice to apply burn and some subdps. Her timed attacks is just a matter of time to master, it becomes quicly a habit. In fact I don't know if I will go for Lycaon or get Soldier M2. Lycaon could be useful but anything to get close to Soldeir M6 might help...
I don't think he understand how Nekomata is supposed to be played. If you don't have anything to dodge, she becomes a quick swap nuke character. From my experience she only works well in a classic dps/stunner/support team (basically Neko/anby/nicole) Her team passive is weird because it wants you to bring a phys anomaly. But her core passive wants quick swaps, and the best way to use a support without wasting time is to bring a stunner and do the chain attacks. Also the cunning hares bangboo is made for boss fights so thar's one more reason to bring a stunner. She has a restrictive ideal playstyle but if she can give me S ranks at C0R0, what more could you ever want?
So, I ran an experiment wth both koleda and grace and gave them pen ratio instead of elemental damage boost while still focusing on crit and both of them do better damage this way
I mean...I already got Rina and Grace, they were the first S ranks I got and I got them on pure luck with Regular pulls from the standard channel, not the one that has higher chances. I got SUPER lucky with the 30 pulls I got with the update to 1.4 and pulled Miyabi and I got Harumasa for free thanks to doing the pre-register thing.....so...depending on how my S rank pulls go with the channels for Harumasa and Miyabi having higher S rank chances I may get the others I need just by luck.
Out of the standard characters I'm only missing Rina and grace. I'm thinking of grabbing Rina as I already have plenty of dps units. I actually have every single character except Ellen, grace and Rina. 😂😅
I have gotten grace 3 times..... But at M3 she does decrees electric def even more. I do happen to have Yanagi. I dont have enough mats to fully build her yet, because I have been using all my energy to fully upgrade Miyabi. :/. But I am going to nab Rina if I dot get her before 300 pulls, If I get her before, Ill choose lycaon for his M1.
For me, only Rina worse it, unless you already had her M1. Especially now, all other standard S besides Rina have corresponding limited S, and support characters are most unlikely to be power-creeped since each one has a rather unique mechanism.
I know this sounds crazy but I might MIGHT go for lycaon now that Miyabi is released I don’t need grace I got yanagi I don’t need nekomata I got Jane I don’t need soldier 11 or koleda I got burnice I might get rina later when I get another 300
I'm choosing either Lycaon or Rina, and I am really hoping I lose a 50/50 to one of them before I get there LOL. I've been losing all my 50/50s to Nekomata
Already have Rina M1, Grace and Soldier 11 M1 that and the fact that i don't want furries in my account even though i have Ellen and Miyabi i will probably go with Koleda ( plus i got her signature weapon as well )... Since i already have Jean for the Physical Dmg i don't need Nekomata.
Need that Rina M1 🗣🗣
I’ve lost all but 2 of my 50/50s to her lmao. Hopefully by my 300 pick I’ll have lost another 50/50 but to soldier 11 and pick up another rina (by that time it will be m6) lmao
@@ZenlessZoneEnjoyer Damn. That's a crazy amount of lost 50/50s and all to one character.
Same. I am close to saving up for her signature W-engine. Combine that with her M1 and I think we will be eating good.
@@jojodelacroix m-5 now already lmao. Debating on saving for engine
Got Rina on Miabi banner and what a joy to float as her in New Eridu)
Grace was the first 5 star I got and I’m playing her a lot since 1.0. In my experience she is way stronger in disorder than mono electro. I feel like her passive is a bit of a trap since applying electro from none anomaly teammates will lower her anomaly damage. I started with Grace and Anton in which Anton yoinks the anomaly all the time and the damage becomes very underwhelming. Once I switched to Grace Piper Lucy she became very strong. Later exchanged Lucy for Caesar and Piper for Jane and Burnice and both of these variations are extremely strong. Graces anomaly build up is wicked fast and you can trigger a lot of disorder. I don’t think Grace in a pure electro team will be particularly viable until we’ll get more characters that synergise with her properly.
Anomaly dmg is based on amount of application
For example if Grace applied 80% and anton applied the remaining 20%
I'm quite sure that the shock dmg would be 80% grace + 20% anton shock dmg
(Correct me if I'm wrong)
@ you’re correct. The problem with Anton is that he builds anomaly pretty fast during his dps window and I often trigger anomaly again with 100% contribution from Anton. In that case the first anomaly application that had mixed contribution gets overridden. It’s really quite frustrating and why I dropped Anton fairly quickly.
I'm going Grace cuz I pulled miyabi and didn't pull yanagi. She'll be a good Sub
@@stevendabady7049 hope you’ll enjoy her. She builds anomaly very fast which is why I like her in disorder teams. No where near the damage of Yanagi but still a lot of fun to play.
@aluinkali7100 yeah that's why I'm gonna build her. I was hoping to pull her sooner in my normal pulls but this is an easy choice, I've been wanting her since launch 😎
Something to mention is how quick and easy it is for Rina to trigger QA unlke Soukaku who requires a very long animation whether through Chain Attacks or Hold EX, Rina's animations are very quick. Because its so easy for Rina to QA, you have easy access to Ellen's Quick Charge tech which is good for Ellen who's a field time hog.
One of the combos I learned from the NEDS discord is to go into Ellen's N3, backswap immediately to Rina while Ellen is still kicking to EX Special on Rina then QA into quick charge again for Ellen. This keeps Ellen's stacks very high through the fight while also keeping Rina's Pen buff active.
There is no reason to play around Rina's shock duration on a disorder team, the longer the shock the more damage your disorder does, because the more time left on the disorder the more damage is calculated to the disorder damage. The +electric damage to shocked enemies also counts when you disorder the shock anomaly so not only do you get more damage because shock lasts longer, that shock is also increased by 10% damage. Disorder that shock as soon as possible for a massive disorder proc.
Yup, forgot to talk about the increased Shock Duration increasing Disorder damage, +3s is a lot of damage and no reason to ignore. Thanks for pointing it out ❤
However, the extra DMG% is not going to be taken into account on the Disorder. That's because the 10% Electric DMG didn't exist when first applying shock, since Rina only gives to you AFTER the Shock is applied, and disorder uses the same stats from the applied anomaly.
Do the 18x2% shock dmg from Grace's core skill also contribute to disorder damage?
From play testing disorders scale off of attack so much more since it's the last multiplier in the equation.
i've been beating shiyu 7 with rina grace burnice and the disorders are massive, I'll pick rina probably since i use her everywhere
Mindscape 4 being "only protection" undersells it dramatically. Like ellen, her last hit in the basic combo does the best damage. It's also got a super long animation she can easily be knocked out of. M4 changes this, yes ceasar fixes the problem as well but this let's you run full fire and leave ceasar for the other side.
Agree here, M4 could be her best mindscape 😉
Thanks for this! Just 25 standard banner pulls away from this issue so this video is perfect for me :)
I hesitated between Rina, Soldier 11 and Koleda, then i lost my 50/50 on Lighter's to get Rina, so as i lack resources and like confort, i went for Rina's M1. No regrets :)
“You cannot play grace as a main dps”.
Me getting S rank on all shiyu defense flors with Grace/Seth/Qingyi with f2p w-engines: Ok
But I do understand that is not her “optimal” play style. I just never heard of that before and invested in her, and surprise, she did the job. Maybe I wouldn’t have tried her as a DPS if I heard this advice back then, but I’m glad I never heard this.
And by dps I only mean she is on-field most of the time, not that I built her with crit.
It's mostly because her damage output is heavily limited since shock can only trigger once every second, but good to know you're clearing Shiyu Defense with Grace ❤️
Are you using ATK on Disc 6?
You're just making your life harder, but sure... you can get away with a lot of things in PVE games.
@@Docttur some people just dont follow meta which is understandable personally wouldn't pull for qingyi as an example i personally find her ugly and not big fan of her character i would rather have ice stunner in my team which is obv lycaon imo
@@Merimez Absolutely, you dont need to follow any meta, I'm just saying characters have "roles". Grace is better as sub dps, not main.
BUT theres nothing wrong with playing suboptimal teams if those are the ones you enjoy. Happy gaming!
Rina was my first S unit yes I’m getting that M1
Thanks for your take on these units!
I'll be picking Lycaon bc its my favorite unit since day 0 of this game and STILL don't have one for my own.
Since i'll be skipping Lighter's banner for Miyabi, its perfect to my account overall
I went with Lycaon because I really needed an ice stunner. I got Rina early on and her pen ratio buff is not to be ignored. I still don’t have Grace and Koleda.
I have koleda
Ok furries
Rina became my core team alongside Zhu Yuan and M6 Nicole.
And grace
Lycaon is a really solid one. Decent damage considering its not his job, good at stunning and especially great in mono ice teams. And sionce Soukaku is basically given out for free you can already use those two as the core of an ice team, and pair that with an extra support (and Miyabi is a great way to complete said team and is currently available)
I thought Hoyo was giving out a free 5 star selector from your thumbnail 😭
what if we get one for the anniversary 😻
Thanks for the video, i was doubting if should pick Soldier 11 or Lycaon, because i'm going all out for Miyabi when she's released, but now i'm reasured to go for Lycaon.
Unless you really like Soldier 11 (as "waifu") I wouldn't recommend her from a power perspective. She is rather demanding for a middling performer.
I was going for Lycaon off the rip
I have M1 Soldier 11 and I adore her! But I would also recommend Lycaon 🤷🏼♂️
@1:16 THANK YOU for the being one of the few, if not, the only RUclips content creator who has pointed this out! This whole time I thought Grace's passive increases Disorder damage. But secretly it was Rina's passive via extending Shock by 3seconds (since majority of content glue these two together all the time, which makes sense but it's hard to assess their kits since they are described as 1 unit)
This is so important b/c if you're forced to split Grace and Rina (ie. deadly assault needing 3 teams), it's 3seconds of Shock damage you're losing out on. Which is way more digestible of accepting this loss compared to losing "18/36% Shock amplification" for teambuilding
I use Grace as a main DPS on my team 2 out of necessity. I also used her along side Piper in an anomaly build prior to landing Burnice. Grace is a bit underwhelming but is mobile enough to keep safe but the W's come slow. 11/10 feet
I fell better for losing 50/50 to Rina TWICE now, even after already having her from the standard banner so, I own a M2 Rina which was benched for a while because I had no idea if she was useful lmao, my luck with ZZZ's gacha has been quite bad, besides the three Rinas, I also got two copies of Nekomata's weapon, fortunately Lighter broke my curse, won 50/50 for the first time and got his weapon in a single 10 pull, hopefully this luck continues with Myiabi 🙏
that said I don't know If I get Lycaon or Soldier 11 when I reach 300, Soldier would pair well with Lighter but I really wanted a Lycaon copy
i picked lycaon and im so glad i did with miyabi's reveal lol. i would've probably picked gracw or rina otherwise though. nekomata has been completely usurped and soldier 11 is only really good for one team.
I use Rina with yanagi and Seth and that team is extremely solid. Sub 1 minute clears in shiyu 7. Let's me also use Burnice and Caesar with piper on the other side. Yanagi with Burnice is just a cheat code though
The plan was to get either Grace or Nekomiya as those two are the only ones I don't have yet. But an M1 Rina probably would be the smartest idea. Thing is, I'm kind of more of a "collector" than anything else, and I've wanted Nekomiya since before the game even released. For now though I'm waiting for my next random S-rank pull before I cash in the freebie.
I was blessed by the 250th wish with every character except Grace, my decision is now clear
Rina is such a game changing unit. I feel it would be folly to ignore her if you're don't have her.
Grace was my first 5 star through luck, she's alright for movement purposes. but you just blast till grenades are full and throw her grenades.
Rina is soooo different from all the other characters.
I got M1 Rina from standard banner + losing 50/50 so I'm planning on running her with Harumasa on his release
So, about Billy. He's easily beats Neko if you have mindscape 2. Mindscape 2 gives him a dodge roll, not to mention his kit is really good for knocking out groups of enemies with chain attacks also getting the passive stacks for the ult, which can shred enemies very easily. His passive works on most of his attacks granted you don't return to standing before you activate something, his best ability is the ability to play as a pseudo-sustainer in how you can roll any attack like any other dodge with no penalty and this doesn't interfere with other dodges.
Neko literally can't keep up. The original three gentle house members is a regular team I use in Shiyu Critical 7
tbh I am using Billy as my primary Phys DPS, but I'm still choosing Nekomata regardless. Because cat waifu.
Koleda is played through dodge. She is imortal
Needed that Grace. Was not disappointed! My game has been spamming me with Sol 11 and Nekos. Both at 2 dupes a piece. I dont think it knows there are other standard 5* characters. RIP my hopes of ever getting Koleda because they just gave me 2 lighters in my first ten pull for him. I dont think ill be lucky enough to get a Lyacon so after Miyabi, Im not summoning anymore. Period.
Got Lycaon early in the game and ended up getting his W-Engine close to the 300 mark. Would be ok getting his M1, but not gonna pull hard for the other units.
Ultimately decided with Soldier 11 in hopes of pulling Lighter, and Nekomata trolled me twice on his 50/50. 😢 Still a few weeks left, really need a fire unit.
Ill probably get lycoan or s11, but I could go for grace for that good looking mindscape picture
I stood out for Rina since day one 🗣️‼️
Without a doubt my 300 pull choice ✨
Rina is the most future proof, Lycaon is the most relevant, Soldier 11 doesnt have any competition in slot and likely wont until after her faction drops, Grace might be servicable with Harumasa drop, and while Koleda is the best stunner shes overall the most useless unless you have soldier 11 already.
As for Nekomata, shes actually pretty good with her m1 + weapon and lets be real, most of us suffer her curse and have her mindscape 2 by now... but she really is pretty good with Caesar and Lucy.
We're getting a fire DPS in 1.5 (Evelyn) so Solider 11 will get replaced very soon. Rina is only relevant if you get M1, so if people already have a copy of Rina they 100% should pick up her Mindscape. Lycaon is unlikely to get replaced for a while as we just got Lighter who fills a similar role, and Lighter is only a minor upgrade on Ice teams (with the benefit that he works on Fire teams too). I think Koleda has good future value, her issue right now is not having a good team since she requires a Fire character (only Solider 11 rn since she doesn't fit onto any Burnice teams) or a Belobog character (they're all mediocre). I think she's a good pickup since we're getting a Fire DPS next patch. I don't think Grace/Solider/Nekomata are worth picking up meta-wise just because all they do is damage and that's the first type of character to get powercrept, and 2/3 of them already have been powercrept in their roles (Yanagi for Electric Anomaly, Jane Doe for Physical DPS, and IMO Piper and Billy with Mindscapes were already far better than Nekomata M0).
I'll probably grab Soldier 11 if I don't pull her before I get to choose, otherwise I'll be going for Koleda mindscapes because I want to have her M6 one day (might not be the best choice in terms of efficiency, but I just really like that little angry gremlin)
My unfortunate luck has me owning a M2 Koleda, my latest 50/50 loss gave me Rina and I got Nekomata off the standard banner. With Harumasa being given to us for free I don't see the need for Grace anymore since I can just pair him with Qingyi and Rina. Qingyi and Koleda being such good stunners makes pulling for Lyacon unnecessary especially given Qingyi's versatility so I'll be getting S11 so I can pair her with Burnice and Lucy/Caesar.
I need Lycoan, my only ice agent is Soukaku and is not enough damage, especially when Nicole is also a support character, and having two support in the team to do the commissions where is recommended ice and ether does not work well.
Rina m1 pls. I’ll 50/50 loss into lycaon eventually anyway
seems like a pretty easy choice for me, I got the curse of Nekomata in the standard channel (twice...), I lost 1 50/50 to S11 and I just got Lighter that powercreeps both Koleda and Lycaon.
EZ Rina
Lighter doesn't really powercreep Lycaon, Lycaon is only used in Ice teams and Lighter performs very similarly to him in those teams (Miyabi/Ellen). He is a damage upgrade over Koleda in a Fire team for sure, but I believe Koleda does have faster Stun buildup than Lighter and she buffs Chain Attacks so she still has a niche. IMO Lighter is a major skip just because we already 2 characters that work perfectly on the two types of teams he can buff (Ice and Fire) and his buffs aren't so astronomical that you absolutely need him on those teams (unlike someone like Caesar or Qingyi).
7:54 60 is actually the normal cost for an EX special since a full bar is 120 energy
I'll see when i finally get my 300. I already have lycaon on m2 while i don't have rina and lycaon m4 is a shield while you are doing charged basic attacks which i feel is much more valuable right now than a completely new character to build. But I'll see after miyabi banner in two weeks as i have 120 pulls and currently at 14 till hard pity with a previous 50/50 loss.
Already got Von Lycaon, so I'm going to get Nekomata. I don't care about meta, I just want my cute hot cat.
I chose Lycaon for mine mainly because he was the only Standard aside from Nekomata that I didn’t have already lol. And my Rina was already M1 so it was an easy choice 😅
Assuming I have this right though Koleda gives 70% more damage on chain attack on stunned enemies which already take bonus damage from being stunned and is the main source of damage on bosses in particular or at least the most dps on most bosses.. thats not bad at all assuming you set up both stacks prior, thats like 20 different resonium card's effects ×2 for free
Considering I've gotten Lycaon's weapon from the standard already, I need him for my Ellen team and I don't have him. He's my pick.
Now, if I manage to get Grace's weapon as well before Grace herself, then it might be her for a disorder team. Seeing as I already have Rina, these two would pair well together with Burnice.
I have no interest in Nekomata, already have Koleda and S11 so none of them are even being considered as my picks. It really boils down to Lycaon or Grace.
I want to have Lycaon since I started the game, I like to have stunners in my team comps and I hope it will help with the new triple threat event where you need three unique teams against each boss.
I since I lost the lighter 50\50 to Grace I was thinking of putting her in a team with Seth and Jane. she gets her bonus, has sustain, and can trigger disorder. I could also slot in Harumasa in place of Seth (whos M6) for more DPS. I only need Neko and Koleda, and I have M2 Rina after losing losing 2 50\50s with her. I also have lighter who I plan on pairing with Lucy and Soldier 11
I plan to main Harumasa, either Grace or Rina M1 could be useful
I like Rina, and I have a use for her, so M1 Rina is going to be my pick assuming I don't get another copy before then.
I got Rina M1 on the first week of play. SO I went with Grace as she was the only standard I didn't have and now whoever I get is just mindscapes
Have Rina M1 from losing 50/50, I chose Lycaon and I still dont regreat it
I think I will go for Grace. I have a Jane + Seth combo with Rina.
This a really fun to play but very awkward bootleg disorder team xD
Both Burnice and Yanagi hates me a did not want to join...
Edit:
Forgot that my reasoning is that even when Grace is only doing phys attack it builds phys anomaly
So that is why with this setup no matter who does what it goes towards disorder either way
I want Rina or Soldier 11.
I'm going to flip a coin.
According to people on the CES, Koleda is supposed to really benefit an upcoming pyro ATK char
I am honestly lost. I have M1 Rina and M1 Lycaon, M0 Koleda (w/e). As for the damage dealers... don't really for Grace all that much (for all the reasons you outlined), I have M2 Jane (so nekomata is EXTRA dead), and Burnice (so S11 is w/e). I guess i'll bank it to pick up Lycaon or Rina's M4 (assuming I get unlucky enough to get either of them to M3).
Go for Rina so she can call you a “good proxy”😏😉
I’m going for Soldier 11 so she can call me the wrong name again😂
What I WANT is to pick Lycaon, but, sadly, what I really need is Rina's M1...
Gonna go for koleda since i got lighter and always liked her animations
Hypothetically if next patch we got a fire quick chain dps then koleda would be really good…
Came back after i stopped playing after Zhu Yuan, Got Rina and her M1 pulling for Miyabi and getting an S rank from standard, so my options are S11/Nekko (Don't have any other character they really go with), Lyacon M1, or Grace M1 to go with Harumasa and Rina.
I have M3 Lycaon, M1 Koleda, M1 Rina, M0 Soldier. I honestly dont know who to pick up.
With your situation, I think just leaving it be for now could be a good choice. You can always choose later if you want a specific mindscape for somebody
I already have Lycaon and Soldier 11 already so I'm debating on whether or not I want Nekomata
I already had Rina M1, so I pulled Soldier 11.
Only ones missing now I lycaon and Grace, but I habe good stunners and Yanagi, so I really don't need them
Rina M6 is actually pretty good, giving her another buff to her support role (for Shock damage)
Looking at my account, it's between Rina c0 or Lycaon c2 for me. Harumasa will cover my lack of electric damage, and I can build Nicole instead of Rina
I don't find his charging too obstructive personally
Honestly Rina just needs more duration buff, needing to swap to her for every 10 secs still feels clunky.
Rina is the only s that will come home. I got her r3 now. I want that cat.
My first 5* was Lycaon and i never really liked using him. I wanted Grace and recently got her. Im think of getting m2 Soldier 11.
I have Rina m1 but I'm not interested in/I don't see myself ever using the other agents I don't have (grace, koleda, lycheon) since I have units that surpass them so I still think I want another copy of Rina to speed up the eventual max copies I wanna have
I should probably learn how to properly use my Rina considering she’s been on my team since even before Ellen
I only lost my 50/50 to Grace (m1) and Lycon (m4). I am definetly going for that shmexy m6 art for him.
I was stuck between Rina and Lycaon but I have enough stunners that the smartest choice is Rina just to bump mine up to M1. Rina just doesn't get a lot of team utility due to no decent electric allies, I regret ignoring Yanagi but she looked so basic despite how well she does disorder. I might miss the extra passive and have 2/3 members fulfilled when building but penetration will definitely go a long way than what the others provide.
rina is my first S class unit, I also got her wengine from the standard banner so I think that's a sign for me to M1 her for the selection
Im only choosing Lycoan because I dont already have him despite playing since Day 1
(Miyabi gonna be more motivated than ever before when that happens)
Grace and Neko are literally the only 2 I'm missing and Neko is the only one I have to have. I got M1 S11. Her timing is actually pretty easy and I'm bad at timing attacks.
I’m just gonna pick whichever I don’t already have
Lycaon committed, even if he is no longer meta, I’ll wait for when zzz buffs him some 4 years later
NUH UH
Soldier M2 🗿🗿🗿🗿
Even tho some challenges are more demanding than Genshin in ZZZ, I still choose character that I like over character that would benifit me. So even tho Grace and Rina would be a great addition to play with Anton or Harumasa, I don't thing I need them since I have Qingqyi and Caesar and I really don't like Grace and Rina design and personnality.
I would have liked to get Nekomata in the early game but now, when I test her in event she feels kind of clunky and not that powerfull, and since I already enjoy Corin as physical dps I probably won't build Nekomata right away if she appears on some 5050.
I Have Lighter and I like him so Koleda and Lycaon aren't needed, even tho I have Ellen and it would be nice to have Lycaon so I can play Lighter in other team in Shiyu. So Koledo is a no go but Lycaon might be a choice.
And for Soldier 11 the standard banner already gave me M1O1 so she's cooking really hard, she might be my best character so far, playing with Lighter to increase damages and Burnice to apply burn and some subdps. Her timed attacks is just a matter of time to master, it becomes quicly a habit.
In fact I don't know if I will go for Lycaon or get Soldier M2. Lycaon could be useful but anything to get close to Soldeir M6 might help...
As I just got Koleda, I have all but Soldier 11, and next 10 pull will get me to 300.
Neko is M1, so is Lycaon and Rina is M2.
I don't think he understand how Nekomata is supposed to be played. If you don't have anything to dodge, she becomes a quick swap nuke character. From my experience she only works well in a classic dps/stunner/support team (basically Neko/anby/nicole)
Her team passive is weird because it wants you to bring a phys anomaly. But her core passive wants quick swaps, and the best way to use a support without wasting time is to bring a stunner and do the chain attacks. Also the cunning hares bangboo is made for boss fights so thar's one more reason to bring a stunner. She has a restrictive ideal playstyle but if she can give me S ranks at C0R0, what more could you ever want?
just pick the one you want the most, the one you like the most.
you'll eventually have them all anyway.
Imma wait until I lose my next 3 - 4 5050s before I decide whom to get.
I only have one option. Miss Howard.
So, I ran an experiment wth both koleda and grace and gave them pen ratio instead of elemental damage boost while still focusing on crit and both of them do better damage this way
I need a soldier 11 in my account 😢
Recently lost the 50/50 with Koleda
So I am just missing Lycaon myself as I got the rest as well
So close to reach 300 pulls on the normal banner
I mean...I already got Rina and Grace, they were the first S ranks I got and I got them on pure luck with Regular pulls from the standard channel, not the one that has higher chances. I got SUPER lucky with the 30 pulls I got with the update to 1.4 and pulled Miyabi and I got Harumasa for free thanks to doing the pre-register thing.....so...depending on how my S rank pulls go with the channels for Harumasa and Miyabi having higher S rank chances I may get the others I need just by luck.
Just pulled Rina M1 last night.
Just pick soldier 11 if you don’t have her 😊
I wish I would have gotten these choices, but I started at launch. I still want Solider 11. Lycaon would be helpful too.
probably wait for the better fire attacker, evelyn
Out of the standard characters I'm only missing Rina and grace. I'm thinking of grabbing Rina as I already have plenty of dps units. I actually have every single character except Ellen, grace and Rina. 😂😅
I have gotten grace 3 times..... But at M3 she does decrees electric def even more. I do happen to have Yanagi. I dont have enough mats to fully build her yet, because I have been using all my energy to fully upgrade Miyabi. :/.
But I am going to nab Rina if I dot get her before 300 pulls, If I get her before, Ill choose lycaon for his M1.
I chose Lycaon because I needed him for my Ellen team at the time.
Question: Who should I pick for M2 between Lycaon and Rina? Which one is the better investment
Lycaon' later mindscapes are underwhelming. Whereas Rina gets a pretty good at M6 for Electric teams
For me, only Rina worse it, unless you already had her M1. Especially now, all other standard S besides Rina have corresponding limited S, and support characters are most unlikely to be power-creeped since each one has a rather unique mechanism.
I know this sounds crazy but I might MIGHT go for lycaon now that Miyabi is released
I don’t need grace I got yanagi
I don’t need nekomata I got Jane
I don’t need soldier 11 or koleda I got burnice
I might get rina later when I get another 300
Rina and if you allready have Rina take Rina, then lycaon if you run ellen doesn't really warrant a video
I'm choosing either Lycaon or Rina, and I am really hoping I lose a 50/50 to one of them before I get there LOL. I've been losing all my 50/50s to Nekomata
Already have Rina M1, Grace and Soldier 11 M1 that and the fact that i don't want furries in my account even though i have Ellen and Miyabi i will probably go with Koleda ( plus i got her signature weapon as well )...
Since i already have Jean for the Physical Dmg i don't need Nekomata.
getting another lycaon mindscape because my husband and hes m1 rn
Gonna get nekomata, don't even need her.
i have wasted it cause i didnt know there is a possibility to choose character you want, and now i have von lycaon😭
drooling for that lycaon
still going for lycaon M1 and eventually ill get his engine