Hey guys. I own one of these and have a good bit of time on it. Obviously you could be tail heavy, could be other things, hard to diagnose from a video, that said this may help. Stock the plane has the ballast on the top of the firewall, I moved it to the bottom, and its 2lbs of ballast. Also modified the internals a bit. I moved my servos forward, and use two 3200 4s packs upright right against the firewall. Moral of the story is those are some extreme measures to get enough weight forward to get it to balance. Its easy to think "surely that is enough", and it isn't. It has a forward center of mass because of the short nose, and the ballast on the top of the firewall just adds mass higher to throw it over on landing, so lowering that helps. I've found on landing that flaring until it is in the three point position helps prevent nose overs too. When you have a nose over, and the wings hit like that, they can get out of alignment, so the top wing may be crooked compared to the bottom wing at that point. That can cause a yawing tendency, so can being tail heavy. It is a rudder mandatory plane even when everything is set up perfect. Coordinated turns initiated with rudder work best. Anyway, I know thats a lot, but maybe some of that will help you.
It was the perfect amount. Lol. I do appreciate the input. The cg was checked and it was in the right spot but still flies in a way that scares me. I don’t want to crash something so beautiful. I’m definitely adding a little more weight and I like the idea of lowering the weight. Promise a better landing next time. Safe happy flying. Thank you again for all your input.
Thats an absolutely beautiful plane. Like the man said, its one of those planes that you build and hang up for display. Thanks for sharing, enjoyable video to watch.
Many mentions of "tail heavy." This plane needs to be balanced correctly. Then it is a dream to fly. It likes you to lead the turns with rudder. Ground handling is another matter altogether. H9 decided to go with scale (ie: narrow) gear. It can squirrel easily and staying on the wheels after landing is a feat. That being said, on taxi and takeoff, throttle up a little more slowly and keep the tail planted with elevator until the speed builds a bit, then the tail comes up and the rudder becomes effective. I found that moving the ballast weight to under the motor helped. Great video!!
Cg checks out but I’m going to lower weight in the nose and add just a bit more. Will always take nose heavy over tail heavy. A nose heavy plane flies poorly, a tail heavy plane only flies once.
@@adam2brothers That is the trouble with a Taildragger. You need enough weight in the tail to stop it tipping onto its nose. I think it is trial and error to get the balance right. 👍
It's a pound. Get yourself some Higley "heavy hubs." A 2 ounce and a 4 ounce. When I maidened mine I had a 2 ounce on the nose. It flew great! Figured I'd lighten up so I took the heavy hub off and it got squirrely! Put it back on and it flies great.
Tailhaevy mr. Its like my nuieport 17 alitle triky whit the short tail. Need aĺlot of whigt up front. Nice video boys. Love those ww1 planes. Grettings from Norway😊
Thank you. We keep talking to him about correcting it and shooting another video of the sopwith flying correctly, but if you've been watching us, he's stubborn. Hopefully, in the future.
Ive always loved the sopwith camel ever since I was a little kid. Seems like the CG was off or something. Subbed. Looking forward to more RC vids! Reminds me of Petrencic brother RC
Perhaps a bit more down thrust and right thrust on the motor mount thrust line. An adjustment like that can go a long ways. Nice airplane, good video. Unlike a previous comment, I understood the assignment.....
Lol!! Thank you. We will look at making those adjustments. We were also looking at pitching the top set of wings a hair downwards. We were told on biplanes, that it is sometimes the issue. Thank you for the help and watching.
Cg checks out but most comments are for nose heavy. Got some advice on checking angle of wings. Was told by a very experienced pilot wings might be slightly at different angles. I’ll go through everything and take it up again. I do want to get it flying nice because it is so gorgeous. A real head turner. Thanks again for your advice. Stay tuned for more videos, Thursdays at 8 eastern.
If you add a lot of weight to the short nose to put the CG where it needs to be, it is not "tail heavy". It's "just right". Set the CG carefully according to the instructions. You can fine tune it later when you get used to the plane. You probably need less control throw than you think. Keep plenty of rudder, but expo around neutral to keep it smooth. Prop slipstream creates a left yaw, which was not corrected for with right rudder on the first takeoff. Right aileron will make matters worse. You probably need a lot of aileron differential (more up aileron movement than down). It wasn't corrected for on the second takeoff either, but the plane got airborne before ground looping, albeit 30 degrees left of runway heading. You need to use that right rudder for takeoff. Or right rudder trim for takeoff. Take it out after takeoff, otherwise it'll yaw to the right when you pull power for landing. Right thrust will help, but you want that set for cruise flight, which won't be enough for takeoff. A rudder gyro will help. Keep the stick full aft on touchdown to dig that tail skid into the ground. That will stabilize the rollout. If you lift the tail, it becomes free to swing in any direction, which you don't want. Keep the tail pinned to the ground with full back stick. The skid dragging in the grass helps keep it straight. It'll be a handful on pavement. Just like its full scale counterpart, which fortunately, never had to deal with pavement. The real WWI airplanes were just as squirrely, so enjoy the reality.
Love it. Mine came to 9 1/2 lbs after ballast for CG. What’s your flying weight. I run on a Saito 82. Sounds great. I welded up a new LG using 5/32 music wire. Added an inch to both sides. Looks pretty much the same but more stable and strong. Orig lg is cheap wire. I also have about the same elev trim as I see you have, about 1/4”. Mine wasn’t tail heavy but apparently its incidence is off out of the box. It did several loops on maiden at takeoff. Anyway, add some expo to rudder, a lot, and it will help twitchy steering and nose overs.
It may be. We'll have to look at it. There is already a huge weight strapped to the front of the plane to balance it. I thought the cg was spot on, but I don't think it was flying the best it can, so maybe.
I'm thinking some downward and to the right thrust for the yawing. I've had a few biplanes and they do have a tendency to be squirly. 4 big ailerons with the linkage setup(that's how i normally set them up) make the slave ailerons a bit flimsy causing the squirly flight. Having both top and bottom wings with dyhedral helps(noticed only the bottom had dyhedral and top straight). Plus making lower wing shorter than top helps. Anyway i think you handled flight rather well with all the challenges. I more than likely would have stalled it, or lost control one way or another. It happens, but when biplanes are controllable they're a dream to fly and beautiful to look at flying. Best wishes.
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hello can you give me the dimensions of the rear fixing bracket of the upper wing located behind the pilot axis value hole to hole for my camel bought in parts and which I am rebuilding thank you in advance 🙏
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Noticed a lot of proposing up and down during the flight. Needs more nose weight. That's the issue with these WWI short nose planes. Need a ton of lead up in the nose, or a heave 4-stroke motor.
Do you feel better? Does trying to bring down others make you feel better? If you, and I'm being serious here, just need someone to talk to in order to work some things out, we're honestly here for. I hope you're doing alright.
Hey guys. I own one of these and have a good bit of time on it. Obviously you could be tail heavy, could be other things, hard to diagnose from a video, that said this may help.
Stock the plane has the ballast on the top of the firewall, I moved it to the bottom, and its 2lbs of ballast. Also modified the internals a bit. I moved my servos forward, and use two 3200 4s packs upright right against the firewall. Moral of the story is those are some extreme measures to get enough weight forward to get it to balance. Its easy to think "surely that is enough", and it isn't. It has a forward center of mass because of the short nose, and the ballast on the top of the firewall just adds mass higher to throw it over on landing, so lowering that helps. I've found on landing that flaring until it is in the three point position helps prevent nose overs too. When you have a nose over, and the wings hit like that, they can get out of alignment, so the top wing may be crooked compared to the bottom wing at that point. That can cause a yawing tendency, so can being tail heavy. It is a rudder mandatory plane even when everything is set up perfect. Coordinated turns initiated with rudder work best.
Anyway, I know thats a lot, but maybe some of that will help you.
It was the perfect amount. Lol. I do appreciate the input. The cg was checked and it was in the right spot but still flies in a way that scares me. I don’t want to crash something so beautiful. I’m definitely adding a little more weight and I like the idea of lowering the weight. Promise a better landing next time. Safe happy flying. Thank you again for all your input.
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What a beauty
Looked way tail heavy
Thats an absolutely beautiful plane. Like the man said, its one of those planes that you build and hang up for display. Thanks for sharing, enjoyable video to watch.
That's what it's turned into. This guy never flies it. It's hanging in his shop. Maybe with enough people commenting, he'll get it in the air again.
Many mentions of "tail heavy." This plane needs to be balanced correctly. Then it is a dream to fly. It likes you to lead the turns with rudder. Ground handling is another matter altogether. H9 decided to go with scale (ie: narrow) gear. It can squirrel easily and staying on the wheels after landing is a feat. That being said, on taxi and takeoff, throttle up a little more slowly and keep the tail planted with elevator until the speed builds a bit, then the tail comes up and the rudder becomes effective. I found that moving the ballast weight to under the motor helped. Great video!!
Nice looking plane. Thanks for showing.
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She is climbing like a homesick angel. Definitely very tail heavy, I would say. A beautiful model though. 👍
Cg checks out but I’m going to lower weight in the nose and add just a bit more. Will always take nose heavy over tail heavy. A nose heavy plane flies poorly, a tail heavy plane only flies once.
@@adam2brothers That is the trouble with a Taildragger. You need enough weight in the tail to stop it tipping onto its nose. I think it is trial and error to get the balance right. 👍
Hello , nice plane
I would put washers in motor mount, so you get 2 degrees down thrust, 2 degrees right thrust
Will help with yaw, climbing
I appreciate the input. We were talking about that same thing. It’s worth a shot. More videos to come. Thank you again
Look its a young Bill Murry with Hair...Lol.... Bet you,ve herd that one before...Thanks for the Flight Demo Guys good filming on the camera too.
It's a pound. Get yourself some Higley "heavy hubs." A 2 ounce and a 4 ounce. When I maidened mine I had a 2 ounce on the nose. It flew great! Figured I'd lighten up so I took the heavy hub off and it got squirrely! Put it back on and it flies great.
Entertaining gents. Nice sopwith. Get it tuned in it will fly better. Nice field. John from Hayden, Idaho
Thank you John. We definitely will and we will be sure to show it. Happy flying
Pilot didn't have his goggles on. His instructors would be "unpleased."
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You guys are a hoot. Really enjoyed your maiden. Yeah it's the pants😂😅
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Tailhaevy mr. Its like my nuieport 17 alitle triky whit the short tail. Need aĺlot of whigt up front. Nice video boys. Love those ww1 planes. Grettings from Norway😊
Thank you. We keep talking to him about correcting it and shooting another video of the sopwith flying correctly, but if you've been watching us, he's stubborn. Hopefully, in the future.
Gorgeous
Wow one of the nicest scale propeller,s ive ever seen...would be heartbocken to break that prop cause you.s be hard press to find a replacemnet one.
Ive always loved the sopwith camel ever since I was a little kid. Seems like the CG was off or something. Subbed. Looking forward to more RC vids! Reminds me of Petrencic brother RC
Beautiful plane. 🍀🤞🏻👍🏻🙂
The tail skid on the early biplanes was its brake. Also when you dig it in with that up elevator it helps keep your plane straight.
Only two kind of RC planes. Those that will crash or those that have crashed.
You need a lot of Rudder expo so that as soon as the tail lifts you have steering control with airflow and it’s not jumpy 70% expo
Yes. Yes. Yes
Perhaps a bit more down thrust and right thrust on the motor mount thrust line. An adjustment like that can go a long ways. Nice airplane, good video. Unlike a previous comment, I understood the assignment.....
Lol!! Thank you. We will look at making those adjustments. We were also looking at pitching the top set of wings a hair downwards. We were told on biplanes, that it is sometimes the issue. Thank you for the help and watching.
Cg checks out but most comments are for nose heavy. Got some advice on checking angle of wings. Was told by a very experienced pilot wings might be slightly at different angles. I’ll go through everything and take it up again. I do want to get it flying nice because it is so gorgeous. A real head turner. Thanks again for your advice. Stay tuned for more videos, Thursdays at 8 eastern.
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If you add a lot of weight to the short nose to put the CG where it needs to be, it is not "tail heavy". It's "just right". Set the CG carefully according to the instructions. You can fine tune it later when you get used to the plane. You probably need less control throw than you think. Keep plenty of rudder, but expo around neutral to keep it smooth. Prop slipstream creates a left yaw, which was not corrected for with right rudder on the first takeoff. Right aileron will make matters worse. You probably need a lot of aileron differential (more up aileron movement than down). It wasn't corrected for on the second takeoff either, but the plane got airborne before ground looping, albeit 30 degrees left of runway heading. You need to use that right rudder for takeoff. Or right rudder trim for takeoff. Take it out after takeoff, otherwise it'll yaw to the right when you pull power for landing. Right thrust will help, but you want that set for cruise flight, which won't be enough for takeoff. A rudder gyro will help. Keep the stick full aft on touchdown to dig that tail skid into the ground. That will stabilize the rollout. If you lift the tail, it becomes free to swing in any direction, which you don't want. Keep the tail pinned to the ground with full back stick. The skid dragging in the grass helps keep it straight. It'll be a handful on pavement. Just like its full scale counterpart, which fortunately, never had to deal with pavement. The real WWI airplanes were just as squirrely, so enjoy the reality.
Very iconic!
Thank you. We love the look of this plane.
Love it.
Mine came to 9 1/2 lbs after ballast for CG.
What’s your flying weight. I run on a Saito 82. Sounds great.
I welded up a new LG using 5/32 music wire. Added an inch to both sides. Looks pretty much the same but more stable and strong. Orig lg is cheap wire. I also have about the same elev trim as I see you have, about 1/4”. Mine wasn’t tail heavy but apparently its incidence is off out of the box. It did several loops on maiden at takeoff.
Anyway, add some expo to rudder, a lot, and it will help twitchy steering and nose overs.
What a beauty 😍
Looks like it's flying tail heavy.
It may be. We'll have to look at it. There is already a huge weight strapped to the front of the plane to balance it. I thought the cg was spot on, but I don't think it was flying the best it can, so maybe.
I'm thinking some downward and to the right thrust for the yawing. I've had a few biplanes and they do have a tendency to be squirly. 4 big ailerons with the linkage setup(that's how i normally set them up) make the slave ailerons a bit flimsy causing the squirly flight. Having both top and bottom wings with dyhedral helps(noticed only the bottom had dyhedral and top straight). Plus making lower wing shorter than top helps. Anyway i think you handled flight rather well with all the challenges. I more than likely would have stalled it, or lost control one way or another. It happens, but when biplanes are controllable they're a dream to fly and beautiful to look at flying. Best wishes.
Every Thursday at 8pm eastern time there will be a new video. Thank you for watching everyone. We love the helpful input for all of you. Safe happy flying. 🛩️
Of course the real one would have had the benefit of a very heavy engine up front.
hello can you give me the dimensions of the rear fixing bracket of the upper wing located behind the pilot axis value hole to hole for my camel bought in parts and which I am rebuilding thank you in advance 🙏
Welcome to the hobby gentlemen.
We were in rc in our teens. Started finding out about all the new technologies and it got us right back in it. Thank you for watching stay tuned for more videos.
Did you hang it upside down by the prop and rudder to see if it’s balanced laterally?
Every body has heard of hanger 9.
Lol. I agree. I think he was being facetious.
Noticed a lot of proposing up and down during the flight. Needs more nose weight. That's the issue with these WWI short nose planes. Need a ton of lead up in the nose, or a heave 4-stroke motor.
Scale is off in many places. It must be stand way back scale.
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This model was discontinued 10 years ago? May have been a reason.
Yep but still live mine.
Tail Heavy and out of CG seems to be the style of 2BrothersAdventures
Sure is. These guys suck.
Rudder rudder.
Tail heavy
yeah way too tail heavy, too much down elevator dialed in
It's not trim; the problem is you are way tail heavy. You need much more weight in the nose. It is pretty, though.
Thanks mark we agree. Cg checks out but I do want to lower weight and add just a bit more. Stay tuned for more. Thanks again for your input
Don't give up your day job.
Do you feel better? Does trying to bring down others make you feel better? If you, and I'm being serious here, just need someone to talk to in order to work some things out, we're honestly here for. I hope you're doing alright.
3.3k views in 7 days... Don't give up your day job 😂
Lots of porpoising, Usually indicitive of nose heavy.