For those who don't know, in Apocalypse you and all of your demons receive a penalty of 100 agility. This turns the early game into hell, as half of your attacks will miss their target.
Your allies in Apocalypse are way more useful than in its predecessor, though - for one, they will never use an ability that a boss is immune to, so no more getting dicked over by your so-called allies giving the boss a free Smirk (looking at you, Walter). In SMTIV I agree, you're not going to be relying on them much. In Apocalypse they have a much higher chance of providing a clutch contribution.
Even though it's pretty obvious that it wouldn't stick, it was actually kind of disturbing/frightening when Dagda revoked his power. Imagine you're Nanashi and all of a sudden you just feel your life ebb away. Imagine slowly bleeding out while your demons nonchalantly watch you die cause you can't command them anymore. That'd scare the shit out of me.
y'know, i kinda feel for Dagda. He merely wants humanity to evolve and the fate is set for him to do so. However, because man is able to choose, you could say he's a bit jealous, but he is in fact proud that they can. this merely strengthens his resolve. And heck, he can be an ultimate deity at that with Nanshi at his side. But even he knows the risk of venturing into that grounds. He just wants to prove himself right and worthy, and would risk everything to make it happen. Probably, just maybe, he felt friends are not needed because there is no such thing as shared power, just like the deities.
Yes he's not so 'bad' as to be Chaos. He does want Harmony. A sort of Harmony. A newer Harmony (War Harmony, heh). You and he with mutual interests, mutual competition, not friendships.
@@kichiroumitsurugi4363 erhm, the tokugawa mandala was a completely different seal, placed upon the entirety of tokyo by tenkai 400 years ago. the seal placed by mitra-buddha is a different thing entirely 🤓🤓
He's less cynical and more willing to work with others/his mum. So yeah, less of a broody angsty teenager than OG Dagda. OG Dagda didn't really like that.
It was either reincarnate Dagda and preserve her son in SOME capacity, even if he's not QUITE the same, kill her son and have him be gone forever (plus Nanashi dies because nobody's granting him life and power anymore) or stand aside and let her son go on a murder-spree of ALL humanity and all the other Gods (including her at some point). It's not like Danu had many favourable options at that point. Talking Dagda down wasn't working.
i completely agreed with Dagda, it's just that his method was too far gone to be sided with. But ultimately, it seemed he just wanted to be forgotten by humanity's understanding, so he could return to his pure form in nature, so it was just the same self serving nonsense as with the other gods.
So she basically created a new dagda, that's both interesting and disturbing more or less recreating her own son then again his route is far more disturbing. Edit: after giving it some thought I have to agree with Danu, the risks were too high giving the current situation and as horrid it must be to “remake” your son I’m willing to bet she did not make nor took her choice willingly.
magoichi75 At least Danu doesn't revive your waifus to bear your children for all eternity. Ewww. That's actually really weird. Especially since you can pick the guys as well. Oh lord. Poor Navarre.
DBZA No.17: "He even has a cool name!" Y'know, one of the kinds of names you'd probably find in a high fantasy story belong to one of the main characters.
I know...Dagda's choice was not MY choice for humanity...and I do like my friends... but but but I still miss him when he gets replaced....I know he tried to kill me, but we REPLACED him!!!
Technically you didn’t replace him, Danu summons the good part of Dagda out of the one your fighting so it is still the same one minus the psychopath parts
I feel bad for both Danu and Dagda. Dagda was just doing what he thought was best. He wanted to end the Law/Chaos conflict and give humanity a better future the only way he thought would work: by killing the current universe and building a new one, with no Gods in it and none of their believers to sustain them. Pretty horrific plan...but as we see in the Anarchy ending, it seemed to work. Danu didn't want to be part of massacring what was left of humanity and every other God out there, nor did she want to kill off her son, so she tried finding a third ground. He wasn't leaving her with many other options in that moment, since he was actively draining the life from Nanashi and sapping his power to control his Demons as well. Even if the reincarnated Dagda isn't QUITE the Dagda we remember him as, she's still got her son with her and he is mostly the same.
Dagda's logic is Xenogears logic: "You shall be as gods." Dag, babe, we went through this crap once before. It didn't make anyone happy. If humanity is meant to become gods one day, it'll happen on its own. Don't force evolution on others. Though I have to admit, that singleminded insanity of yours is kind of attractive in its own way.
Nah, he wasn't replaced, more like they changed his understanding and he was "reborn". ... ... ... ...Kinda like rehabilitation. Or therapy. But here it works like maaagic. LOL
@Random Person Because Dagda was created by the will of humanity anyways. So long as that will exist he can't really "die" per say. They just created another aspect of Dagda really. It still is Dagda just as much as the old one is. The Gods in SMT aren't very physical things while seeming very physical in other aspects. They are more of conceptual things given form.
He would simply find a new godslayer, once nanshi and his friends are dead he would calmly seal Krishna back up and go out to find another human to bring about the new world
@@kainthedragoon8081 I believe at that point would be hard to find another godslayer with as much power as Nanashi - who grew his power throughout the game - plus with the whole Krishna being unstoppable without a godslayer for Dagda at that point it was not such a good decision for him.
Hmm. Technically the Dagda that Danu summoned is still the real Dagda, since all she did was find the side of him that still agreed with her and just summoned that.
And thus, all the angst caused by Asahi's death was completely undone when the new, well-behaved Dagda brought her back to life. :P Wonder why he didn't bring Asahi's dad back to life while he was at it, though. :/
SMT is a more hardcore Pokemon (Ironic, considering SMT existed years before Pokemon). You go from catching monsters in capsules to taming *MYTHOLOGICAL DEITIES* in your smartphone.
If I wasn't so attached to the characters, I would have chosen the Massacre ending in a heartbeat. But thankfully, there's a better ending to look forward to
"If you don't share someone's pain,you can never understand them.But just because you understand them doesn't mean you can come to an agreement.That's the truth." -Pain
i feel like they handled how the endings work in this game faaaaaaaaaaaaar better than in smt4, since you dont need to plan ahead with you choices to get your desired route, and while you do have punishments for picking alot of one choice then siding with the other route, its nice to have all options open no matter what
I think the opposite. The one choice thing is BS, since it allows the player to make choices that go against what they've done the entire game. In DnD, you characters alignment will be modified if you don't make decisions matching that alignment. If you make decisions in SMT IV, they follow you. Your main quest isn't really forcing you to do some random thing, like how IVA ungracefully handles things. Instead you're ordered to by the monastery or its for survival, like during Blasted Tokyo. If you choose to go against what you've done the entire game, it just doesn't work. The neutral ending takes work, because its the most difficult. You don't have the help of any god, or deity. You have to fix everything without Lucifer burning everything, or Merkabah massacring society. At the end, finally, Masakado will help you, but only after the proper preparations. You aren't joining some path someone else has carved for you, you are making your own path, and that's not easy.
@@centurionzo1228 Idk about that. The only acceptable ending imo was the neutral ending and honestly getting the neutral ending without a guide is actually hard af. Other endings were pretty disappointing tbh.
and with that, a best girl returns. Danu, by the way, I understand why you had to reset your son, even if others disagreed. I still can't help but feel sorry for Dagda though.
I just realized this. Dagda: "You've discarded the chance to surpass humanity" Me: I wanna keep choosing. Doesn't that mean that being a god, you actually don't have choices?
Yes, since humanity are indeed mortal, but through their beliefs and observation, humanity basically created gods and demons. In SMT, gods and demons sacrifice their ability to change for a form of immortality, while humanity went in the opposite route.
Yeah. Dagda literally said that in Anarchy Route. His destiny is set in stone, but since humans has power to bring change to themselves and their surroundings, he opted to change humanity by remaking the universe by the hand of another human he specifically groomed: The Godslayer. That sums up his plan and goal.
Honestly y'all really gonna be that bad to Danu for making a replica. I mean. Dagda has been saying shady ass shit literally all game. And for the most part everyone let's it slide except when dagda forces our hand. And still Danu didn't act etc until it got to the point of no return. Yes it's awful as Dagda didn't even consider the possibility after Danu took in Innanas new powers. Literally only did it because Dagda himself is so powerful and needs to keep us alive. If there was another choice I really don't think Danu would have done such.
Dagda clearly doesn't know that humans have the ability to choose how to distribute their power gains; and since 'this is Shin Megami Tensei 4 magic is completely broken'
Being human has literally been the worst possible thing for anyone thats not a messiah.The fact that everyone thought that humans should stay where there at is utter nonsense.
Reading the description made me wonder Does the Dialogue change in the slightest if that is indeed the case? which also makes me wonder if the "Punishments" are permanent as in (Dagda destroying your Demons but can still use them afterwards or they are just poof removed? or Navarre destroying your items (which I would expect rip everything))
Dunno the specifics about the demons cause I never went full anarchy on my Anarchy run, so I was still within safe range from the punishment if I picked Peace, but I would assume you would just need to rebuy them from the compendium, which considering the level of the demons at this point can be expensive. The item thing on the other hand... yeah its quite the punishment, specialy if you didn't know about it and lose like all the incenses, high MP/HP recovery, Armor Boosts, etc you were saving up for end game LOL
I can understand Dagda's point of view, but that seems extreme. A universe where every human becomes a God seems self-cataclysmic. If wars broke out the universe would be destroyed 10x over. I like the idea, but long-term, nope.
LichLordFortissimo I doubt it. Too many egos clashing. Gods are too egotistical and arrogant to keep that kind of peacetime continuing. There will always be conflict. This kind of universe Dagda wants to create will only create more chaos.
That wasn't what Dagda was aiming for. The new humans would be transhuman, being able to accomplish what they desire, through answers perceived on their own, removing imperfection, unable to impose upon others who do not agree (thus avoiding wars at all): effectively, humans would be nomadic, nature-orientated, with accurate, fact-based beliefs.
LichLordFortissimo Considering the fact that this is the SMT universe and that the route you have to go and the choices you make to get to this point, the consequence you get for defying Dagda, I highly doubt his intentions.
...I didn't believe it said Apocalypse Mode. OMG what have you done, Omega. Does that mean you're staying on that mode throughout the rest of the game?! OAO;
I regret for choosing the Apocalypse Mode. I thought it was a piece of cake since I was above level 100, but it's been about 2 weeks I have been stuck at the final boss and I rage quitted a lot since then lol.
Dunno if anyone has explained it yet but there are 2 types of “Angel” in this game. The blue wing ones are the low level ones and the white wing ones are much higher level
Nanashi is basically a walking corpse that is being kept alive by Dagda's power. If Dagda stops feeding you power, you just become a corpse again and die. Your soul won't stay with your body.
Same bandwagon as you. They are unrelatable characters, kinda sucks how much spineless you have to be completing the game as peaceful. I mean, Its not hard that way
@@xgaming6609 I don’t think writers should aim for relatable characters, but interesting and multifaceted ones. Viewers will get invested if they’re drawn in by a hook that isn’t deceptive.
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Friendship ended with Dagda, now Dagda is my best friend.
Man and I thought that social links did not exist in a shin megami tensei
LMAO
For those who don't know, in Apocalypse you and all of your demons receive a penalty of 100 agility. This turns the early game into hell, as half of your attacks will miss their target.
Hawelo92 wtf. so thats why..
Hawelo92 For real? I had no problems with hitting my targets.
doesn't apocalypse mode also gives you the MC dies=Game Over scenario too?
@@azurestarseliph5926 One of the apps in the game gives you that option as I recall.
O_O that explains a lot
Danu: My old son was being shitty so i made a new one.
Dagda: MOM WHAT THE SHIT
Danu: Don't talk to me or my new son ever again.
Damn, replaced the replacement already.
"These so-called friends only hold you back"
The Assist Gauge begs to differ
VallaPhantasm To be fair the assist gauge is cool but I can imagine playing through this game on our own
nickreilly72 They definitely aren't "dead weight"
Your allies in Apocalypse are way more useful than in its predecessor, though - for one, they will never use an ability that a boss is immune to, so no more getting dicked over by your so-called allies giving the boss a free Smirk (looking at you, Walter).
In SMTIV I agree, you're not going to be relying on them much. In Apocalypse they have a much higher chance of providing a clutch contribution.
John van Capel "I'll end it thus" meaning he'll end us
VallaPhantasm
True Story
Replace Your Edgy Son With This One Neat Trick
Even though it's pretty obvious that it wouldn't stick, it was actually kind of disturbing/frightening when Dagda revoked his power. Imagine you're Nanashi and all of a sudden you just feel your life ebb away. Imagine slowly bleeding out while your demons nonchalantly watch you die cause you can't command them anymore. That'd scare the shit out of me.
I imagine that Nanashi's commands are more like desperate pleas during that part of the fight.
@@demi-femme4821
"...should we listen?"
"Eh, he's alive enough."
Danu with the ultimate "tired of your shit Dagda"
About time she taught him some manners :p
That means Danu won't take Dagda to Hot Topics XD lol
Dagda wanted to be hardcore, but his mom wouldn't let him.
y'know, i kinda feel for Dagda. He merely wants humanity to evolve and the fate is set for him to do so. However, because man is able to choose, you could say he's a bit jealous, but he is in fact proud that they can. this merely strengthens his resolve.
And heck, he can be an ultimate deity at that with Nanshi at his side. But even he knows the risk of venturing into that grounds. He just wants to prove himself right and worthy, and would risk everything to make it happen. Probably, just maybe, he felt friends are not needed because there is no such thing as shared power, just like the deities.
Yes he's not so 'bad' as to be Chaos. He does want Harmony. A sort of Harmony. A newer Harmony (War Harmony, heh). You and he with mutual interests, mutual competition, not friendships.
can he not ascend to nature by himself?
@@juanpablorobayo9891 Not without killing YHWH, and that need a Godslayer
@@xgaming6609 ohhhhhh, thats right. YHVH in this game sucks
He also wants to erase every single god, demon, and deity so he can return to being a cosmic force and end all fighting
>Nanashi dies
“Oh, it’s you again. You died so carelessly.”
I could see him bringing you back over and over just to break you
doesn't he say that he can't revive you inside the cosmic egg or some shit
@@dukenintendo He already can by that point because Mitra-Buddha is dead, thus breaking the Tokugawa Mandala
@@kichiroumitsurugi4363 erhm, the tokugawa mandala was a completely different seal, placed upon the entirety of tokyo by tenkai 400 years ago. the seal placed by mitra-buddha is a different thing entirely 🤓🤓
Dagda: Damn...That's my replacement? A weakling who depends on others?
So, he's Dagda except less edge?
He's less cynical and more willing to work with others/his mum.
So yeah, less of a broody angsty teenager than OG Dagda.
OG Dagda didn't really like that.
@@jacksimpson8529 so basically old dagda never grew out of hise edgephase
And they said family is irreplaceable... LOL.
It was either reincarnate Dagda and preserve her son in SOME capacity, even if he's not QUITE the same, kill her son and have him be gone forever (plus Nanashi dies because nobody's granting him life and power anymore) or stand aside and let her son go on a murder-spree of ALL humanity and all the other Gods (including her at some point).
It's not like Danu had many favourable options at that point. Talking Dagda down wasn't working.
i completely agreed with Dagda, it's just that his method was too far gone to be sided with. But ultimately, it seemed he just wanted to be forgotten by humanity's understanding, so he could return to his pure form in nature, so it was just the same self serving nonsense as with the other gods.
I like how the god of LIFE AND DEATH jumps out of your goddamn PHONE
So she basically created a new dagda, that's both interesting and disturbing more or less recreating her own son then again his route is far more disturbing.
Edit: after giving it some thought I have to agree with Danu, the risks were too high giving the current situation and as horrid it must be to “remake” your son I’m willing to bet she did not make nor took her choice willingly.
magoichi75 At least Danu doesn't revive your waifus to bear your children for all eternity.
Ewww. That's actually really weird. Especially since you can pick the guys as well. Oh lord. Poor Navarre.
Altough I wouldn't mind getting Hallelujah, y'know?
@@xercespriest guys? Wtf
@@figureLP09 yea😏
He is a precious cinnamon roll who we must protect
Since the focus is on Dagda, I wanna take the opportunity to say that Xander Mobus has quite the range...
He really knocked it outta the park with his performance. I really liked Dagda here.
Good lord, the man is a great voice actor
DBZA No.17: "He even has a cool name!"
Y'know, one of the kinds of names you'd probably find in a high fantasy story belong to one of the main characters.
@@chaosgreyblood in the realm of dbza he also voiced jimmy firecracker. Good shit.
@@roaringthunder8069 Jimmy FIrecracker? As in, the journalist who tagged along Mr. Satan during the Cell Games? I didn't notice it until now! o.o
"Even the most hardcore fan might give up"
Challenge accepted Atlus...
...Once I had some money to spare.
The difficulty is free DLC btw (just in case you wonder) :p
omegaevolution
Money as in...money to buy this game. Bloody broke right now.
Cool, I may consider getting this one day if I get around to it, but just out of curiosity how much health does Dagda have roughly?
@@zallaraxium8061 More than most boss, less than VishnuKrishnaFlynn.
I know...Dagda's choice was not MY choice for humanity...and I do like my friends...
but but but I still miss him when he gets replaced....I know he tried to kill me, but we REPLACED him!!!
cyncynshop Replaced and then killed him with the help of said replacement, mind you.
Technically you didn’t replace him, Danu summons the good part of Dagda out of the one your fighting so it is still the same one minus the psychopath parts
If I remember, the new one actually doesn't disagree with the old one's thingking
I feel bad for both Danu and Dagda.
Dagda was just doing what he thought was best. He wanted to end the Law/Chaos conflict and give humanity a better future the only way he thought would work: by killing the current universe and building a new one, with no Gods in it and none of their believers to sustain them. Pretty horrific plan...but as we see in the Anarchy ending, it seemed to work.
Danu didn't want to be part of massacring what was left of humanity and every other God out there, nor did she want to kill off her son, so she tried finding a third ground. He wasn't leaving her with many other options in that moment, since he was actively draining the life from Nanashi and sapping his power to control his Demons as well.
Even if the reincarnated Dagda isn't QUITE the Dagda we remember him as, she's still got her son with her and he is mostly the same.
Dagda's logic is Xenogears logic: "You shall be as gods."
Dag, babe, we went through this crap once before. It didn't make anyone happy. If humanity is meant to become gods one day, it'll happen on its own. Don't force evolution on others. Though I have to admit, that singleminded insanity of yours is kind of attractive in its own way.
Atlus, everybody. They take the words "hot", "irish" and "skeleton" then fuse em' together to make the fat guy from celtic lore hot
@@pepperonidrizzle2401 he hit the gym. Ain't that YHVH asshole gonna take himself
Basically what goes on in FGO LB5 in a nutshell
Dagda: *teleports behind you*
Listen up, kiddo.
We all know Dagda is best waifu.
Hearing that Domain boss theme slide in feels so good.
Wait so is that the theme of the song that gets played throughout the conversation o.o?
Giftedangelboii92 No, it kicks in once you get revitalized and the real fight starts.
Nah, he wasn't replaced, more like they changed his understanding and he was "reborn".
... ... ...
...Kinda like rehabilitation. Or therapy. But here it works like maaagic. LOL
@Random Person
Because Dagda was created by the will of humanity anyways. So long as that will exist he can't really "die" per say. They just created another aspect of Dagda really. It still is Dagda just as much as the old one is. The Gods in SMT aren't very physical things while seeming very physical in other aspects. They are more of conceptual things given form.
The Danu way of solving angsty god teenagers:REPLACING THEM!
...Good god,I don't know who's the worst between Danu and Dagda...
Nagitona my mum always threatens me saying I can be replaced anytime, Danu kept her promise 😂😂😂
Danu had no choice. Either kill her son or all of existence is done for.
@@ProfessionalNamielleLewder69 i mean its not like he was a big threat anymore without his godslayer.
He would simply find a new godslayer, once nanshi and his friends are dead he would calmly seal Krishna back up and go out to find another human to bring about the new world
@@kainthedragoon8081 I believe at that point would be hard to find another godslayer with as much power as Nanashi - who grew his power throughout the game - plus with the whole Krishna being unstoppable without a godslayer for Dagda at that point it was not such a good decision for him.
Looks like Dagda got replaced. If Danu said "You're adopted", it could have been the ultimate salt XD
[Gotta love that smirk from Reborn Dagda]
Hmm. Technically the Dagda that Danu summoned is still the real Dagda, since all she did was find the side of him that still agreed with her and just summoned that.
Basically, she recalled Dagda from the past, when he was not hateful
It's more like she ripped the good part out of the Dagda your fighting and gave it form
Didnt she effectivley succ his soul out, give it a body and have it kill its former host?
More like split it and the good Dagda claimed the other half once your done fighting
And thus, all the angst caused by Asahi's death was completely undone when the new, well-behaved Dagda brought her back to life. :P
Wonder why he didn't bring Asahi's dad back to life while he was at it, though. :/
Probably because Asahi's Dad wasn't killed by Shesha. Only the souls that Shesha devoured are in the Egg.
omegaevolution
But the divine powers still collected all the souls, even the one of asahi's dad
@@handhelder823 Quetzalcoatl killed Asahi's dad and he was shortly killed after so I doubt that.
Also it implied Dagda let some of those events happen like him knowing about Flynn is Shesa.
DagDad went full edgelord, but rejected by his mom Danu... :p
Aaaw, Navarre can be such a sweet guy when he wants to. lol
Guess Gaston ain't the only one warming up to us :p
Xander Mobus!
SuperPiposaru
Woah! Looking cool, Dagda!
Peck
What a range, man
Oh man. This was such an awesome event, it kinda had me in tears.
If you had dem gymn badges the demons would listen to you!
Dude. This is NOT wussy-ass POKEMON.
SMT is a more hardcore Pokemon (Ironic, considering SMT existed years before Pokemon).
You go from catching monsters in capsules to taming *MYTHOLOGICAL DEITIES* in your smartphone.
@@jeremym9011 Bruh it’s a damn joke.
If I wasn't so attached to the characters, I would have chosen the Massacre ending in a heartbeat. But thankfully, there's a better ending to look forward to
5:44
I mean physically, no, Dagda you're keeping me alive.
"If you don't share someone's pain,you can never understand them.But just because you understand them doesn't mean you can come to an agreement.That's the truth."
-Pain
1:49 what a narrow-minded view
Maybe that’s why dagda’s plan involves getting rid of himself too
This is one of the best moments in the game as you can finally punch Dadga in the face for being such a manipulative bastard through the entire game
"Our Bonds give us strength!"
~ Nanashi, probably...
Man, Apocalypse mode doesn't fuck around.
To be fair, judgment light ins't as strong as other severe moves.
For some reason I think REPLACEMENT!Dagda has a stronger Irish accent. Is it just me?
Just call it like in the game. "Reborn Dagda"
@@roybanderas154 Reboot Dagda
Dagtwo
11:53
Have i hear that sound effect before...? Oh right, Tales of the Abyss healing save circle.
Poor Isebeau the only one left out of the "I have Awakened" party :P
Luster Candy is way better tho
I don’t think Navarre got one
To be fair she has a REALLY good skillset soooo
They actually did Dagda so dirty.
It's not a phase mom I swear!
Edgy boy Dagda
i feel like they handled how the endings work in this game faaaaaaaaaaaaar better than in smt4, since you dont need to plan ahead with you choices to get your desired route, and while you do have punishments for picking alot of one choice then siding with the other route, its nice to have all options open no matter what
I do think that the endings are better in SMT IV but I do agree that they made way too much complicated
I think the opposite. The one choice thing is BS, since it allows the player to make choices that go against what they've done the entire game. In DnD, you characters alignment will be modified if you don't make decisions matching that alignment.
If you make decisions in SMT IV, they follow you. Your main quest isn't really forcing you to do some random thing, like how IVA ungracefully handles things. Instead you're ordered to by the monastery or its for survival, like during Blasted Tokyo. If you choose to go against what you've done the entire game, it just doesn't work.
The neutral ending takes work, because its the most difficult. You don't have the help of any god, or deity. You have to fix everything without Lucifer burning everything, or Merkabah massacring society. At the end, finally, Masakado will help you, but only after the proper preparations. You aren't joining some path someone else has carved for you, you are making your own path, and that's not easy.
@@MelissaMeantIt making some side quest affects your alignment points which is fucking stupid, it punish you from playing the game
@@centurionzo1228
Idk about that. The only acceptable ending imo was the neutral ending and honestly getting the neutral ending without a guide is actually hard af. Other endings were pretty disappointing tbh.
and with that, a best girl returns. Danu, by the way, I understand why you had to reset your son, even if others disagreed. I still can't help but feel sorry for Dagda though.
I just realized this.
Dagda: "You've discarded the chance to surpass humanity"
Me: I wanna keep choosing.
Doesn't that mean that being a god, you actually don't have choices?
Yes, since humanity are indeed mortal, but through their beliefs and observation, humanity basically created gods and demons. In SMT, gods and demons sacrifice their ability to change for a form of immortality, while humanity went in the opposite route.
Yeah. Dagda literally said that in Anarchy Route.
His destiny is set in stone, but since humans has power to bring change to themselves and their surroundings, he opted to change humanity by remaking the universe by the hand of another human he specifically groomed: The Godslayer. That sums up his plan and goal.
ASAHI IS BACK
THE WAIFU WARS SHALL RESUME
Lol
Is she the ultimate waifuu ?
Dude, you saw a boss battle against the best waifu and you pick Asahi?
Nguyen Phuc Hoang Anh wierd way to spell Toki
Litteral Trash weird way to spell hallelujah
Honestly y'all really gonna be that bad to Danu for making a replica. I mean. Dagda has been saying shady ass shit literally all game. And for the most part everyone let's it slide except when dagda forces our hand. And still Danu didn't act etc until it got to the point of no return.
Yes it's awful as Dagda didn't even consider the possibility after Danu took in Innanas new powers. Literally only did it because Dagda himself is so powerful and needs to keep us alive. If there was another choice I really don't think Danu would have done such.
'I've chosen my own path. And I will see through to the very end!'
Now that we're settled, I believe it's time to crack us an egg. Also, edgy son handled the loss...rather well, I say.
Ultimately, he realized that his ideal would still live on, just not executed in the same fashion that he thought it should have been done
Danu did not have a choice...
And Yay Asahi's back!
Dagda clearly doesn't know that humans have the ability to choose how to distribute their power gains; and since 'this is Shin Megami Tensei 4 magic is completely broken'
Well since you can't survive without Dagda I can see why she made a fake one.
Heel of Heels A less edgy fake dagda
Well not _exactly_ a fake one.
Just a "friendlier" _incarnation_ of him (given how gods/demons work).
It is not that he cannot life without him, it is that since he is the meaning of life and death in a vessel, he cannot escape the rule of the axiom
Dagda gets cancelled for being intolerant to other deities: The Fight
I miss old dagda
*Looks at Omega's magic stat* Well I guess you can never have too much in this game...
Imagine a lv 999 Matador with 999 atk and 999 critical
@@xgaming6609 Don't be a bastard, that's a pure nightmare
@@dolphinboi-playmonsterranc9668 Kinda. At 600 atk it is already a monster
His level is programmed to increase every play though with no end. It will get to a point where it is literally impossible to beat him
DOMAIN BOSS MUSIC FROM SMTIV IS BACK BABY
What a good boy, little brother dagda!
Being human has literally been the worst possible thing for anyone thats not a messiah.The fact that everyone thought that humans should stay where there at is utter nonsense.
Krishna be waiting there like
Reading the description made me wonder
Does the Dialogue change in the slightest if that is indeed the case?
which also makes me wonder if the "Punishments" are permanent as in (Dagda destroying your Demons but can still use them afterwards or they are just poof removed? or Navarre destroying your items (which I would expect rip everything))
Dunno the specifics about the demons cause I never went full anarchy on my Anarchy run, so I was still within safe range from the punishment if I picked Peace, but I would assume you would just need to rebuy them from the compendium, which considering the level of the demons at this point can be expensive.
The item thing on the other hand... yeah its quite the punishment, specialy if you didn't know about it and lose like all the incenses, high MP/HP recovery, Armor Boosts, etc you were saving up for end game LOL
old dagda nooo QwQ
I can understand Dagda's point of view, but that seems extreme. A universe where every human becomes a God seems self-cataclysmic. If wars broke out the universe would be destroyed 10x over. I like the idea, but long-term, nope.
But they would also have the knowledge necessary to avoid such a thing, with perfect understanding of EVERYTHING.
LichLordFortissimo I doubt it. Too many egos clashing. Gods are too egotistical and arrogant to keep that kind of peacetime continuing. There will always be conflict. This kind of universe Dagda wants to create will only create more chaos.
That wasn't what Dagda was aiming for. The new humans would be transhuman, being able to accomplish what they desire, through answers perceived on their own, removing imperfection, unable to impose upon others who do not agree (thus avoiding wars at all): effectively, humans would be nomadic, nature-orientated, with accurate, fact-based beliefs.
LichLordFortissimo Considering the fact that this is the SMT universe and that the route you have to go and the choices you make to get to this point, the consequence you get for defying Dagda, I highly doubt his intentions.
"Man is something to be surpassed. What have you done to surpass him?"
In all fairness to Danu, she only did what we always do when we end up fusing subservient versions of every boss we beat.
Just throw the whole Dagda away
danm the track for the second phase, it on now
Degdy.
...I didn't believe it said Apocalypse Mode. OMG what have you done, Omega.
Does that mean you're staying on that mode throughout the rest of the game?! OAO;
Video description :p
omegaevolution Oh! Forgot! Lol XD You're pretty brave, man!
I regret for choosing the Apocalypse Mode. I thought it was a piece of cake since I was above level 100, but it's been about 2 weeks I have been stuck at the final boss and I rage quitted a lot since then lol.
Friendship with Dagda has ended, now Dagda is my best friend.
As much as I prefer Massacre I still enjoy this fight a lot
I thought Apocalypse mode was a New Game + thing...turns out it was DLC.
It remains free DLC, though
tnt1751994 I figured, since it's a difficulty option.
Dagda: *normal English voice*
Also Dagda: *pissed off Scottish or Irish voice 10 seconds later*
Just another month and the game will be in Aus 😋
hey boss possible dumb question but level 80-something angel? the deal with that? much love for your vids btw been a fan.
Dunno if anyone has explained it yet but there are 2 types of “Angel” in this game. The blue wing ones are the low level ones and the white wing ones are much higher level
so what are demons really? human understanding? or human weakness?
Demons/gods/fairies/etc. are embodiments of human thoughts and desires.
Human understanding is what shapes them.
elinfini qa
elinfini Except YHVH and the Great Will.
It was revealed that they really did created the human race but somehow YHVH became corrupted
@@centurionzo1228 YHVH was a sentient being meant to be the Axiom's avatar. That sentience was the problem, since it made YHVH full of himself
Wait so without(a)Dagda Nanashi cant do crap against anyone?
Nanashi is basically a walking corpse that is being kept alive by Dagda's power. If Dagda stops feeding you power, you just become a corpse again and die. Your soul won't stay with your body.
wow bYe dadga
Do you ever get to use dagda as one of your combat demons?
cant get him or danu
@@ShardsOfStone You CAN however get Black Maria, which is supposed to be Danu, and also IS Danu in IV
Why the lv 84 Angel?
its the alternate angel.
Oh, nice.
yeah for some reason Angel is like at minimum level 80 or so
Not complaining, though. She packs Judgment Light and Luster Candy
she goes through all those mutations just to end up with white wings.
Here’s the problem.
I hate all of these characters.
No
Allan Velásquez
OK, Dagda’s alright.
Why
Same bandwagon as you. They are unrelatable characters, kinda sucks how much spineless you have to be completing the game as peaceful. I mean, Its not hard that way
@@xgaming6609
I don’t think writers should aim for relatable characters, but interesting and multifaceted ones. Viewers will get invested if they’re drawn in by a hook that isn’t deceptive.
What route is this.