@@nichoudha Late to response but yeah as I found out in my first attempt to get Anarchy route took it apparently I did not now you had to act like a complete asshole to everyone... Cue me unfortunately having to do peaceful route again and playing the game over just to get to that point 😑...
@@someguyparagon5273 You can still go Anarchy even if you went with all Bonds responses, but doing so erases your consumables due to Navarre getting pissed. Same can happen in the opposite scenario, in which case Dagda removes all demons from your stock
I think she just wanted to fight with us in order to prove her superior strenght over our companions, so that when the time came, we would choose her to have at our side. For what good is loyalty, if you're worthless ?
Navarre is the only good character in your friend group tbh, asahi was a trope with legs, toki was a total bitch, gaston is manageable and is funny every now and then, nozomi i dont even remember her and hallelujah is just annoying
I didn't find it in the comments but its funny to mention that when Isabeau talks about you helping moving the wounded, if you say no at that part, she says she hated you ever since. Just blitzed the anarachy route for a 2nd cycle and chose as many evil/rude choices possible. Glad to see one of the choices come to fruition.
Isabeau's line hit me seriously hard when I first played. I'd been a pretty nice guy for most of the game and only decided to go anarchy near the end but I'd also been a bit of a knob around Flynn the whole game since I was rp'ing a little. I think the early decision was the only really mean one I picked and it happened to trigger this line... big oof.
I love the game but I hate how it made everyone suck up to nanashi. I've only played smt 3 (part of it), devil survivor 1&2, devil summoner, smt 4 and the persona series (little bit of 2, 4 &5).The smt series offers tough moral choices when it comes to factions you decide to side with, so why is this one so one sided
This may be the best way they handled Nanashi in the game. Most of the choice are so... Black and White they are almost boring. But that. To offer you the choice as to how you will kill your friends, and that after chosing that route. You can chose to show that they never really mattered to you. Or you can lay them down gently, showing them that while it can only end in death, while you are determined as they are, they are still your friends. This, is great, and should be done in more games.
Besides Nanashi choosing to betray his friends, Toki choosing to side with them was completely uncharacteristic. Toki doesn't really have a strong connection with them and has been obsessed with Nanashi the entire time she's been in the party.
I think she just wanted to fight with us in order to prove her superior strenght over our companions, so that when the time came, we would choose her to have at our side. For what good is loyalty, if you're worthless ?
@@ardipithicus4660 like true friends, you tell me you dont suck all the life force out of your friends and then force them to fuse with another friends
This feels like the more SMT of the two endings. I like to think Nanashi went insane with the death of Asahi is willing to destroy everything to bring her back.
Certainly my thought process. Asahi was the only partner who really had any sort of connection to Nanashi, and was willing to give up her life for him.
Actually if you are on the anarchy route Nanashi never care about Asahi and you let her be damage at the Adramelech fight so what you are saying is a fanfiction
I think the reason for dagda not needing friends thing nanashi was doing most of the work and how you basically completely and utterly destroy them in this boss fight the fact that you can beat YHVH in anarchy routet hat you don't need them without you they are completely weak and can't fight for themselves If you choose to be YHVH servant they get one shotted in the fight they need you but you don't need them but he's a hypocrite he needs you too
interestingly enough in the bonds route YHVH says you will regret your actions while in the massacre route he says you may regret your actions, basically he doesn't think bonds have a chance because their reliance on you proves humans need to rely on something so he will be back while in massacre you dont rely on anyone so he is not as sure he will be back
Even to this day, i dont know why the Godess of Tokyo/The Axiom is disappointed and angry if you intent to become the next Creator God in these two endings. Isnt it better that position with a human than with the flawed yhwh? She/It should help its Messaiah... And another question, Dagda says that divinities cannot evolve or change and their destinies are fixed. So, now you become another god. This obviously contradicts him but no one cares. Except Stephen, i think.
@@danysora But now a Messiah is also the creator of the new universe. And he has another Messiah as his godslayer. It's going to be quite difficult to take them down.
I can understand the latter but I doubt the Axiom would be angry over the bonds route since it was stated the axiom/great will creates messiahs specifically to take down YHVH
I ended up with the Anarchy BETRAYAL route because I was a friend throughout, and there I lost almost all of my shit. I felt the most guilt killing Toki. Why couldn't she just went along with Nanashi?
Always bothered me how your friends are so quick to turn on you if you don't go their way. No compromising, no begging to reconsider, nobody on the fence, just flat out hostility or abandonment. Especially humorous when they're usually so *POWER OF FRIENDSHIP* for everything.
@@christopherbravo1813 no you can be friends and willing to fight. There is a difference between fighting to save everyone, and fighting to ascend to godhood.
@@goodguyshuckle9270 i agree with the second part. however, the fact remains that in both paths there is someone manipulating you-either Dagda, or your so-called "friends".
@@christopherbravo1813 No, that's just you drinking the Dagda kool-aid. All of these people legitimately saw you as a friend and ally, and they have made more sacrifices for you than you have for them from the very beginning. Toki and Gaston gave up the only lives they ever knew to help you and were exiled. Hallelujah had to kill his father. Asahi (even though she's the character I liked the least) died for you. They legitimately saw you as a friend and ally, and were willing to give up everything for you. And then you told them all of the sacrifices they made for you meant nothing and you were going to destroy everything they fought for. They can't help you. Not after everything they've been fighting for until now. They never tried to influence your decision making. They never tried to affect the path you walked. They just supported you and stood at your side. Meanwhile Dagda spends the entire game whispering in your ear about how useless friends are and how worthless bonds are, and you took his words to heart, even though he is the embodiment of everything he projects onto your friends: Useless, manipulative, reliant on others to fight his battles, and capricious. And you were the perfect chump to buy into his lies.
Tbh these guys are the epitome of the "power of friendship" trope people don't like, every time they speak it's about how friendship will prevail and kill God, it actually got jarring in the peace route, it's like forcibly turning it into a persona storyline
I'll never forget my first time going through this. It still hits so hard years later. Navarre, Gaston, they left me a bit shaken, but Toki's was the one which finally broke me. Yes she fought for what she believed in, but she accepts death as long as it's by your hand. I just...I couldn't do it. Hit that Do Nothing command so hard. And that just made it hurt even more when she says she loves you.
What I find hilarious is that these so called friends don't even pause to wonder if the MC is mind-controlled, or they don't even take the time to try and convince they're so called best friend that the decision they made is wrong. You make the choice and they immediately just raise their arms and are ready to kill you. I just find that hilarious especially since they're giving you shit for the crap they're about to do.
@@DarkAdonisVyers when you love your child, do you destroy it? you can protect something too. my god youre edgy. with zero emotional intelligence. seek a remedial school.
Honestly I hated everyone, but when it came to Toki I was pretty upset. She went from an unfeeling merciless killer to being a lovestruck girl who wants the best for the protaganist over the events of the game, and as such is the only character besides Navarre which has any sort of real character growth. I brought her back as my partner but it's still upsetting because this is a false Toki. At least her instant kill passive made the final dungeon relaxing.
Think on the bright side. Out of all the characters you can resurrect, Toki is most likely the only one who doesn't get brainwashed to be your Goddess. Though it just speculation on my end and headcanon, but from all the goddesses cutscenes, Toki is the only one who does't get a monotone tone of voice, like she still sounds like she is herself
The virgin nahobino vs the chad nanashi -Cant use equipments -is weak as fuck -need to be lvl 31 to defeat a red pixie -Game over if he die before his demons party members -Don't get revived upon death -Boring cyborg ninja design --------- -chad messiah can use equipments -cool original design -Don't get a game over on dying first before his demons -Get revived for free by sugar daddy Dagda -Defeat YHWH and Stephen -Can summon lvl 125 Satan -Kill his friends with ease
god this is such a fucked up path. the fact you have the choice to be kind to them at the end makes it even worse/better. ...can't wait to do it when i get the chance and pick up this game :UU
I know who I would choose. Dagda. His vision... unlike what you might think, his path leads into true collectiveness, not individuality. Our physical bodies are what create the illusion of separation. His delusions of individuality shall pave the way for the universe I wish to see built.
@@filhoperdidodomcsapao6910 because of the whole destroy the current world thing for collectiveness ? I know I should not even consider it... but I don't care. Perfection might be a curse, but it still should be presented as a choice for people.
@@JabamiLain bro, your Hikawa is showing. also, no, collectivism isn't perfection. it's just another form of imperfection, imposed on everyone equally.
Wow. Had no idea that Nanashi could turn out to be such a wretched blight. I get that this series is all about perspective, but my eye shows him as pure evil for taking this path. Hard to deny the game is magnificently written though.
Until Navarre yeets your items away. All the jewels, the healing items, everything…gone. After that, I’d punch his little green face in. Twice has that happened and i don’t regret going Anarchy twice.
I mean you interact with Toriel for like 8 minutes before you can kill her. Toki has more time for you to get to know her before you stomp that loli's skull in.
I was happy to have a option to kill everyone. Always having happy ending it's boring. Even though it's the canon ending on this one. But I like to have the option that the main character change sides and helps the bad guy accomplish his goal.
Megaten games NEVER have explicitly happy endings at all, if anything this one is the only one to be "perfect" (and even then, the yellow head, or any other entity ftm, can still be ressurected if humanity's desires). It's nice to have an actual happy one in a while if anything...
They couldve done this in p5r, your friends could show up at the third semester palace, brainwashed choosing the false reality, to fight you and akechi
I'll answer your question, tho you may have already found the theme by now, It's the theme from the Shin Megami Tensei 4 before Apocalypse, It's Called (Shin Megami Tensei 4 ost- Battle B4)
If anything the most coolest characters have to be Gaston and Toki. Everyone else's reasons are kind of lack luster but at least Toki understands the problem with becoming a god and Gaston has his own reason for being a samurai that extend past himself. I though about immortality would be like myself and not only is nanashi completely alone but he has no reason to do anything. In perspective of a human doctors would be useless I'll live forever, I wouldn't need food or water, I would lack motivation to live because everything is handed to me on a silver platter. We live and progress knowing one day we will expire we try to leave are mark on the world before we fade back to dust so we know we didn't waste decades being nothing but a waste of space. That's just my opinion alsooooo Isabeau's boss fight was better. Cry me a river I still won't be swayed.
Well, I think Toki just wanted to fight with us in order to prove her superior strenght over our companions, so that when the time came, we would choose her to have at our side. For what good is loyalty, if you're worthless ?
nozomi: betrays you and asahi by reporting you to the hunters, almost getting you killed navarre: a nonce & a dickhead toki: weirdo who borderline harasses nanashi every chance she gets, didnt care about asahis death and only saw it as an opportunity to get nanashi gaston: also generally a dickhead, though he does turn against merkabah. that said him drawing the line at merkabah comitting genocide against tokyo is a pretty low bar isabeau: very distant, not a huge part of this games story aside from asahi who's already dead at this point (and had that whole incest thing going on anyway), and hallelujah who's mostly fine aside from being a dweeb (though as the new leader of the ashura-kai you could argue his morality), i really didnt feel bad about killing off any of these characters. this route is less bleak and more just. strange. that the story flies off the rails so drastically.
While I am currently playing SMT V: Vengeance. I now know why I avoided this game. I hated the characters when I saw how incredibly nice they are. And in the Massacre Route. I finally know what is missing... People shown at their worst when under threat, especially against the Super Natural. They had each other, in good company, yet they are off in someway. I am so glad Vengeance shows how people, at their highest and lowest points, still has that corruption on them. Give them what they want, take what they care and allow their emotions boil, and they turned their heads to achieve their goal.
MegaTen fan here. I mean I guess it's kinda similar? Except in FES it was to smack sense into everyone, here it's more to smack the soul out of everyone. *spoilers ahead i guess* I know "Persona bad" but the Nyx Avatar fight was phenomenal.
I think that’d make me even more eager to rid of those guys. I mean, i do like some of them, but…one is a huge ass, one is annoying, and one forces his way into the group. Honestly, when Navarre said his pants got caught i thought “looks like Lady Luck got there just in time to save her bff from perversion”. That, and I’ll be blunt. Aside from the wraith wall thing, he’s Aqua-level uselessness. Before folks say “oi, he buffs you!”, you can have one demon be your main buffer, and that’s that. I actually have a slightly more support based Medusa i desire to use that i made.
@@MateriaLord826 Thing is, Navarre can get Debilitate. Which means you can have your demons only focus on healing and damage. Same with Asahi/Isabeau, where you can have them buff and do damage but not have to heal
@@t-universegamer7609 I'd say it's essentially Yosuga mk 2. in the new universe, those with strength control literally everything, while those who have faith in anything other than themselves are trampled underfoot.
Damn I said it was hard to sympathize w them years ago? What the fuck, yeah no they really don't deserve to be betrayed after helping you, and if deciding to not ally with you because of your choices is so bad then Dagda should be to blame too
like I said, everyone is in the wrong here. both sides use you as a pawn, only to turn against you when you are no longer following their orders. at least Dagda is honest about it....sometimes.
@@christopherbravo1813 I forgot to respond, I don't think the friends are necessarily using you, they align with you because they have goals of their own, and at that point Nanashi get's in the way of their goals not the other way around I wouldn't say the friends use you so much as they scratch your back and hope you scratch theirs too, plus I don't think accusing them of using the protagonist necessarily means much when to get this route you need to answer dark questions which mostly include being a jerk and using Asahi as an actual human shield in the adramelch fight
@@pedro2629 like I *said,* I don't like either route. however, even if your "friends" aren't manipulating you, they are still using you as a pawn and being incredibly hypocritical. personally, if I were Nanashi, I'd ditch everyone and find my OWN path-one that isn't forced on me by other people.
I really *love* how SMT is all like "hey, you can go down one of several different paths! you're free to choose!" and yet are always clearly biased towards a singular ending.
@@christopherbravo1813 it’s really only the more modern smt’s that favors neutral. In smt1 and strange journey everything is fucked no matter what and I’d argue that Aleph suffers more in neutral than say chaos. Nocturne favors the true demon ending because the one we got in the west is a rerelease that added the Amala labyrinth to get the TDE so it makes sense that they focus on that
@@sock312 Yeah I agree with you, my memory of smt 2 is limited but I think Aleph was better of in the law ending, but for smt 3 I'd say you can go with either TDE or the freedom ending both make sense in some way but smt 4(both of them) has been weirdly neutral. If Asahi purposely tried to get nanashi killed in the beginning for whatever reason and nanashi had experienced several backstabbing throughout the story I wouldn't mind picking this ending
@@EA-bv8zk well unironically his friends are annoying and almost useless and the regular people of Tokyo and later Mikado change their opinions on nanashi every other day. One second he is not to be trusted and should be merked and then he’s a savior to mankind and a messiah to them...I wouldn’t feel obligated to save people who treated me like that
I mean, SMT was always like this though. Sure SMT1 didn't have sad music on that ol' super famicom cartridge for max feels, but friend murder has always been there.
@Volteus XVI In the previous game connected to this, the protagonist couldn't convince their female friend to stand down when he went against them, and ended up having a heart breaking battle against them, that ended in her killing herself.
I dunno. Killing your friends to kill god to take his role to create any kind of world, including one where, for example, you and your friends live in a place that isn't a demon infested hellscape sounds pretty good. You could even make 99% of the population Asahi if you wanted. And none of them would know what they hell they were doing.
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Suddenly the main character had enough of the power of friendship...
You could show that by picking the Anarchy choices every time.
@@nichoudha
Late to response but yeah as I found out in my first attempt to get Anarchy route
took it apparently I did not now you had to act like a complete asshole to everyone...
Cue me unfortunately having to do peaceful route again and playing the game over just to get to that point 😑...
@Prince Zane are you two bots?
@@someguyparagon5273 You can still go Anarchy even if you went with all Bonds responses, but doing so erases your consumables due to Navarre getting pissed. Same can happen in the opposite scenario, in which case Dagda removes all demons from your stock
Power of friendship = 🤮
08:41: Even as an enemy, no one steals the team's Press Turns like Gaston!
I hate that guy even in gameplay bruh
Toki : No matter what your choice is, i will be with you
Player selects destroying the universe
Also Toki : *Die, lol*
An empty promise…
I think she just wanted to fight with us in order to prove her superior strenght over our companions, so that when the time came, we would choose her to have at our side. For what good is loyalty, if you're worthless ?
Truth is, the game was rigged from the start
That’s why nozomi and toki are the worst characters
Also Navarre sends you a phone message saying no matter you choose I like you
All my friends are dead...
...but this tjme it's my fault.
IT'S ALWAYS OUR FAULT!
It's been like this since SMT1!
Yep, killing friends is pretty routine by now. The only real difference is how many
Tools*
Except here these ''friends'' were pretty lame. Kinda hard to feel bad for them. Except Navarre, he was pretty funny.
Navarre is the only good character in your friend group tbh, asahi was a trope with legs, toki was a total bitch, gaston is manageable and is funny every now and then, nozomi i dont even remember her and hallelujah is just annoying
I didn't find it in the comments but its funny to mention that when Isabeau talks about you helping moving the wounded, if you say no at that part, she says she hated you ever since. Just blitzed the anarachy route for a 2nd cycle and chose as many evil/rude choices possible. Glad to see one of the choices come to fruition.
Nanashi looking at the power of friendship: I don't want to play with you anymore.
Isabeau's line hit me seriously hard when I first played. I'd been a pretty nice guy for most of the game and only decided to go anarchy near the end but I'd also been a bit of a knob around Flynn the whole game since I was rp'ing a little. I think the early decision was the only really mean one I picked and it happened to trigger this line... big oof.
Friendship ended with human allies
Demons are my friends now
Nah, only Dagda. Nanashi's a Godslayer of his, remember?
@@bonepawn1644and still uses demons
"I thought we'd always be friends" homie do you not know what series you're in?
I love the game but I hate how it made everyone suck up to nanashi. I've only played smt 3 (part of it), devil survivor 1&2, devil summoner, smt 4 and the persona series (little bit of 2, 4 &5).The smt series offers tough moral choices when it comes to factions you decide to side with, so why is this one so one sided
lmao
Comedy
It is for more pleasure
@@EA-bv8zk Because the alignment reps are not replaced with any of your buddies, and are instwad still Johnatan and Walter as Merkabah and Lucifer
Feels.
BuffMaister
It's like Smt 4 all over again...
BUT WITH FRIENDS!!
This may be the best way they handled Nanashi in the game. Most of the choice are so... Black and White they are almost boring. But that. To offer you the choice as to how you will kill your friends, and that after chosing that route. You can chose to show that they never really mattered to you. Or you can lay them down gently, showing them that while it can only end in death, while you are determined as they are, they are still your friends.
This, is great, and should be done in more games.
@@gabrieldoyen692
I'm sure SMT 5 will definitely be different than Apocalypse...
What? Where? None here, I only see dead npc's
Zomby Jano Stop! They’re already dead!
Besides Nanashi choosing to betray his friends, Toki choosing to side with them was completely uncharacteristic. Toki doesn't really have a strong connection with them and has been obsessed with Nanashi the entire time she's been in the party.
I think she just wanted to fight with us in order to prove her superior strenght over our companions, so that when the time came, we would choose her to have at our side. For what good is loyalty, if you're worthless ?
Well she basically want to be a human
She never said anything about having a connection with the others. She wants to remain human, that's it.
@@Rutawind It's actually a really nice little summary of the core ideals of Chaos, I think.
@@NikkolasKing Chaos is all about throwing away your humanity.
They should have made Dagda playable or at least a support/partner character
a VERY odd immission
Tbh I kinda forgot he was there until he said something
yeah but isnt dagda giving the mc his power?
Dagda should have been Nanashi's Stand
@@thegreatgmantheguy
Dagda shouldve been nanashis sugardaddy
True friends are your demons...
Nah. You use them, then discard them for stronger ones
@@ardipithicus4660 like true friends, you tell me you dont suck all the life force out of your friends and then force them to fuse with another friends
This feels like the more SMT of the two endings. I like to think Nanashi went insane with the death of Asahi is willing to destroy everything to bring her back.
Certainly my thought process. Asahi was the only partner who really had any sort of connection to Nanashi, and was willing to give up her life for him.
You know, that would be a reasonable motive...if the game actually acknowledged it
@@kichiroumitsurugi4363
Too true
This sounds like exactly the end of Evangelion 2.0
Actually if you are on the anarchy route Nanashi never care about Asahi and you let her be damage at the Adramelech fight so what you are saying is a fanfiction
All my friends are dead. Pushed me to the edge.
I think the reason for dagda not needing friends thing nanashi was doing most of the work and how you basically completely and utterly destroy them in this boss fight the fact that you can beat YHVH in anarchy routet hat you don't need them without you they are completely weak and can't fight for themselves If you choose to be YHVH servant they get one shotted in the fight they need you but you don't need them but he's a hypocrite he needs you too
interestingly enough in the bonds route YHVH says you will regret your actions while in the massacre route he says you may regret your actions, basically he doesn't think bonds have a chance because their reliance on you proves humans need to rely on something so he will be back while in massacre you dont rely on anyone so he is not as sure he will be back
2:45-
Dimitri? is that you?
Dimitri "Venom" Blaiyyd
Godslayer
*goes on criticals rampage *
I’m so glad I’m not the only one
@@Sigismund697 Phantom Demon Pain
Even to this day, i dont know why the Godess of Tokyo/The Axiom is disappointed and angry if you intent to become the next Creator God in these two endings. Isnt it better that position with a human than with the flawed yhwh? She/It should help its Messaiah...
And another question, Dagda says that divinities cannot evolve or change and their destinies are fixed. So, now you become another god. This obviously contradicts him but no one cares. Except Stephen, i think.
Ricard Àlex Vicente Tarragó I think in the cosmology of SMT a Messiah is above gods because he will have part of the Axiom’s essence within him.
@@danysora But now a Messiah is also the creator of the new universe. And he has another Messiah as his godslayer. It's going to be quite difficult to take them down.
I can understand the latter but I doubt the Axiom would be angry over the bonds route since it was stated the axiom/great will creates messiahs specifically to take down YHVH
let's be honest.
humans are incredibly flawed. there's a reason why none of us were created with supernatural abilities.
@@christopherbravo1813 Considering how the Greek Gods act its best that humans let alone a lot of them dont get supernatural abilities.
At least you can comfort them before killing all of them
I ended up with the Anarchy BETRAYAL route because I was a friend throughout, and there I lost almost all of my shit.
I felt the most guilt killing Toki. Why couldn't she just went along with Nanashi?
you could make her your goddess
@@silverbolt67 And betray Asahi? She was the only real person I had cared for from the people!
I really really REALLY loathe Toki, but I respect your opinion.
It's kinda weird, since she said one minute before don't matter the route The mc choose, she will stay with him.
@@LocalAnonOnTheInternet ?
Good thing is: You can revive Navarre
First choice out of all the others tbh
Or you can revive your dog
Kinda odd how Isabeau doesn't summon her demons like she did in the previous game.
Always bothered me how your friends are so quick to turn on you if you don't go their way. No compromising, no begging to reconsider, nobody on the fence, just flat out hostility or abandonment. Especially humorous when they're usually so *POWER OF FRIENDSHIP* for everything.
Well they kinda suspected that Nanashi would help Dagda with his plan so they were prepared for anything
@@erockgoblue6295 so they were never his friends to being with?
@@christopherbravo1813 no you can be friends and willing to fight. There is a difference between fighting to save everyone, and fighting to ascend to godhood.
@@goodguyshuckle9270 i agree with the second part. however, the fact remains that in both paths there is someone manipulating you-either Dagda, or your so-called "friends".
@@christopherbravo1813 No, that's just you drinking the Dagda kool-aid. All of these people legitimately saw you as a friend and ally, and they have made more sacrifices for you than you have for them from the very beginning. Toki and Gaston gave up the only lives they ever knew to help you and were exiled. Hallelujah had to kill his father. Asahi (even though she's the character I liked the least) died for you. They legitimately saw you as a friend and ally, and were willing to give up everything for you.
And then you told them all of the sacrifices they made for you meant nothing and you were going to destroy everything they fought for. They can't help you. Not after everything they've been fighting for until now.
They never tried to influence your decision making. They never tried to affect the path you walked. They just supported you and stood at your side. Meanwhile Dagda spends the entire game whispering in your ear about how useless friends are and how worthless bonds are, and you took his words to heart, even though he is the embodiment of everything he projects onto your friends: Useless, manipulative, reliant on others to fight his battles, and capricious. And you were the perfect chump to buy into his lies.
Isabeau doesn't cut her throat for you 🥴
Nah, she's reserved that for Flynn alone ;)
She killed my poor jack frost that i had as a pet so i had to beat the shit out of her
@UC1Dmyf_nyFZLFUpA2nJWHXg this bitch killed my Jack Frost! (WHAT HAPPENED NEXT IS SHOCKING)
She offered though but you kill her anyway
So this is the power of trust, Universe 7
Tbh these guys are the epitome of the "power of friendship" trope people don't like, every time they speak it's about how friendship will prevail and kill God, it actually got jarring in the peace route, it's like forcibly turning it into a persona storyline
Finally someone that understand me
You hit the nail on the head...
and it was a critical hit, you have half of a press turn left
This,but killing them off is too far.
@@demonicasoldier1770 It's SMT, it's bound to happen.
@@zombyjano I've played SJ,Nocturne and IV yet killing fellow humans always bothered me. Even if it was mercy kill.
Weird how Isabeau's theme plays during this fight. Girl cannot win.
I'll never forget my first time going through this. It still hits so hard years later. Navarre, Gaston, they left me a bit shaken, but Toki's was the one which finally broke me. Yes she fought for what she believed in, but she accepts death as long as it's by your hand. I just...I couldn't do it. Hit that Do Nothing command so hard. And that just made it hurt even more when she says she loves you.
Yes
Dagda, you couldn't let one into the new world? I wouldn't mind those instant kill attacks. There pretty useful!
What I find hilarious is that these so called friends don't even pause to wonder if the MC is mind-controlled, or they don't even take the time to try and convince they're so called best friend that the decision they made is wrong. You make the choice and they immediately just raise their arms and are ready to kill you. I just find that hilarious especially since they're giving you shit for the crap they're about to do.
Yeah the worst kind of friends
yeah, at least Dagda is open and honest about seeing you as a tool.
Black Maria has some really interesting dialogue upon leveling up...
👁👄👁
So do a lot of the demons
0:53-
ah yes, because you have never betrayed ANYONE in your LIFE.
😂
And thaaaat's how all the anarchy route end
I was gonna do this as my nuzlocke route but now I can’t bring myself to
Did you already done it?
Lil bros thought they were in Persona 4 golden💀💀💀
Those Mediarahans hurt
Since I'm on apocalypse diff
Anarchy or peace which is much better, battle wise
Jollan Delante you can save before the decision and do both routes at the same time. Anarchy is the hardest route.
To love is to destroy. One should not consider friendship a wall to that.
Interesting philosophy
What
Grow up 😭😭😭😭😭😭😭 love is destroying your desire for selfishness including destruction
@@haaendaaz3619 When you love steak, you destroy a cow.
@@DarkAdonisVyers when you love your child, do you destroy it? you can protect something too. my god youre edgy. with zero emotional intelligence. seek a remedial school.
Honestly I hated everyone, but when it came to Toki I was pretty upset.
She went from an unfeeling merciless killer to being a lovestruck girl who wants the best for the protaganist over the events of the game, and as such is the only character besides Navarre which has any sort of real character growth.
I brought her back as my partner but it's still upsetting because this is a false Toki.
At least her instant kill passive made the final dungeon relaxing.
I didn't give a shit about anyone except Gaston. He shined through and became a bro by the end.
Think on the bright side. Out of all the characters you can resurrect, Toki is most likely the only one who doesn't get brainwashed to be your Goddess. Though it just speculation on my end and headcanon, but from all the goddesses cutscenes, Toki is the only one who does't get a monotone tone of voice, like she still sounds like she is herself
@@Raharu95 well she was brainwashed from when she is born tho
Gaston had some pretty thorough development, what are you even talking about?
@@SvarogAristaeusAllen he literally didn't change at ALL.
I call this boss tools and Navarre
The virgin nahobino vs the chad nanashi
-Cant use equipments
-is weak as fuck
-need to be lvl 31 to defeat a red pixie
-Game over if he die before his demons party members
-Don't get revived upon death
-Boring cyborg ninja design
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-chad messiah can use equipments
-cool original design
-Don't get a game over on dying first before his demons
-Get revived for free by sugar daddy Dagda
-Defeat YHWH and Stephen
-Can summon lvl 125 Satan
-Kill his friends with ease
Stephen was playing with him
Nahobino farts and Nanashi fucking dies lol
@@jackour8167 both are ei victims
@@jackour8167smt5 mid
Good job kid
god this is such a fucked up path. the fact you have the choice to be kind to them at the end makes it even worse/better.
...can't wait to do it when i get the chance and pick up this game :UU
based
Easily the best route, hands down.
The Evil Endings of P4Golden and P5 are one thing, but literally having to finish off your allies is something else ENTIRELY! Dayum!
Fr thats why i tend to like the mainline games story/atomopshere is really dark and cruel
As someone who started on smt 4 ap and looking on persona 5 it looks like roses and daisys compared to mainline
P4Golden evil ending is so dumb, the ending of killing the false murder suspect was bad enough
I know who I would choose. Dagda. His vision... unlike what you might think, his path leads into true collectiveness, not individuality. Our physical bodies are what create the illusion of separation. His delusions of individuality shall pave the way for the universe I wish to see built.
of course you're a lain fan
@@filhoperdidodomcsapao6910 because of the whole destroy the current world thing for collectiveness ? I know I should not even consider it... but I don't care. Perfection might be a curse, but it still should be presented as a choice for people.
@@JabamiLain bro, your Hikawa is showing.
also, no, collectivism isn't perfection. it's just another form of imperfection, imposed on everyone equally.
@@christopherbravo1813 I want to see experiment on it regardless. See how far it goes until a better proposal is put on the table.
@@christopherbravo1813 who's Hikawa ? To what anime does he belong to ?
I cried when toki said i love you
Toki is too good for this, or any other world T.T
M o r g a n a w h y ?
Why did it have to end like this
Wow. Had no idea that Nanashi could turn out to be such a wretched blight. I get that this series is all about perspective, but my eye shows him as pure evil for taking this path.
Hard to deny the game is magnificently written though.
it's trivially easy when you believe in something greater than yourself.
POV: You are the Imposter
This battle made me feel like a scumbag.
this ending is sweeter if u choose the "good guy" dialogue choices :)
Yeah i did that and got navarre's wrath
Still not as bad as having to 1v1 dagda tho
Until Navarre yeets your items away. All the jewels, the healing items, everything…gone. After that, I’d punch his little green face in. Twice has that happened and i don’t regret going Anarchy twice.
@@CucorinDagda is easy - just use Nibelungen armor and he can only hurt you with Megidolaon
Fuck power of friendship
Clearly half the people in this Comments Section have never player Hyperdimension Neptunia mk2.
I know the ending of which you speak. The one where Nepgear kills them all…only for it to be used to one shot Arfoire and that’s it.
I'm never taking this path. Nope.
But it's the good ending.
Is a good ending x2
You could be a god…seems like a good ending to me
@@MateriaLord826 x2
Toki's death hurts more than betrayal killing Toriel in Undertale T.T
I mean you interact with Toriel for like 8 minutes before you can kill her.
Toki has more time for you to get to know her before you stomp that loli's skull in.
Loli? She’s only one year younger than the protagonist.
@@wusscake yeah she's like ten lol, you smoking a good green if you dont think its a loli
be DETERMINED, now, kill every last one of them
Honestly I hated her the most.
SMT 4: Apocalypse's protag is a guy? Bro I thought that it was a girl for real :moai:
I once read a comment that said that Nanashi looks like an anorexic lesbian, and it happens to be true
I was happy to have a option to kill everyone. Always having happy ending it's boring. Even though it's the canon ending on this one. But I like to have the option that the main character change sides and helps the bad guy accomplish his goal.
your "friends" are bad guys too, you know.
Everyone's a bad guy in a way
Megaten games NEVER have explicitly happy endings at all, if anything this one is the only one to be "perfect" (and even then, the yellow head, or any other entity ftm, can still be ressurected if humanity's desires). It's nice to have an actual happy one in a while if anything...
Bad ending wdym this is better than shitty ass "peace ending"
The choices in this game are unbalanced.
Imagine persona 6 if you fight your friends like this
only smt will did this...
That would be based asf
you fight your friends in p3 the answer
They couldve done this in p5r, your friends could show up at the third semester palace, brainwashed choosing the false reality, to fight you and akechi
Not, possible. Persona is all about friendship.
🚬🤏😙 joder este juego es cine
What's the theme that plays during this fight?
darude sandstorm xd lololol
I'll answer your question, tho you may have already found the theme by now, It's the theme from the Shin Megami Tensei 4 before Apocalypse, It's Called (Shin Megami Tensei 4 ost- Battle B4)
It is considered Isabeau’s theme in the regular IV
If anything the most coolest characters have to be Gaston and Toki. Everyone else's reasons are kind of lack luster but at least Toki understands the problem with becoming a god and Gaston has his own reason for being a samurai that extend past himself. I though about immortality would be like myself and not only is nanashi completely alone but he has no reason to do anything. In perspective of a human doctors would be useless I'll live forever, I wouldn't need food or water, I would lack motivation to live because everything is handed to me on a silver platter. We live and progress knowing one day we will expire we try to leave are mark on the world before we fade back to dust so we know we didn't waste decades being nothing but a waste of space. That's just my opinion alsooooo Isabeau's boss fight was better. Cry me a river I still won't be swayed.
Well, I think Toki just wanted to fight with us in order to prove her superior strenght over our companions, so that when the time came, we would choose her to have at our side. For what good is loyalty, if you're worthless ?
I cried killing Navarre, goddamn :,( that character development
The Protagonist basically Asa and Yoru
havent played the game so i dont know much about lore but since we are going full genocide, why not have a option to attack dagda too
he's the one giving you your power
@@chrysome4540 and basically powerless
I don't know why but this is so funny
Anyone know the ost that plays when fighting this boss fight?
A bit late but battle B4
this needed a tchno remix of the song to work
nozomi: betrays you and asahi by reporting you to the hunters, almost getting you killed
navarre: a nonce & a dickhead
toki: weirdo who borderline harasses nanashi every chance she gets, didnt care about asahis death and only saw it as an opportunity to get nanashi
gaston: also generally a dickhead, though he does turn against merkabah. that said him drawing the line at merkabah comitting genocide against tokyo is a pretty low bar
isabeau: very distant, not a huge part of this games story
aside from asahi who's already dead at this point (and had that whole incest thing going on anyway), and hallelujah who's mostly fine aside from being a dweeb (though as the new leader of the ashura-kai you could argue his morality), i really didnt feel bad about killing off any of these characters. this route is less bleak and more just. strange. that the story flies off the rails so drastically.
Sorry, what incest thing?
While I am currently playing SMT V: Vengeance. I now know why I avoided this game. I hated the characters when I saw how incredibly nice they are.
And in the Massacre Route. I finally know what is missing... People shown at their worst when under threat, especially against the Super Natural. They had each other, in good company, yet they are off in someway.
I am so glad Vengeance shows how people, at their highest and lowest points, still has that corruption on them. Give them what they want, take what they care and allow their emotions boil, and they turned their heads to achieve their goal.
I know Megaten fans get annoyed whenever persona gets brought up, but IMAGINE if heartful cry was playing during this boss fight!
MegaTen fan here. I mean I guess it's kinda similar? Except in FES it was to smack sense into everyone, here it's more to smack the soul out of everyone.
*spoilers ahead i guess*
I know "Persona bad" but the Nyx Avatar fight was phenomenal.
Do not worry about them
But like in the answer you don't kill your friends
I think that’d make me even more eager to rid of those guys. I mean, i do like some of them, but…one is a huge ass, one is annoying, and one forces his way into the group. Honestly, when Navarre said his pants got caught i thought “looks like Lady Luck got there just in time to save her bff from perversion”. That, and I’ll be blunt. Aside from the wraith wall thing, he’s Aqua-level uselessness. Before folks say “oi, he buffs you!”, you can have one demon be your main buffer, and that’s that. I actually have a slightly more support based Medusa i desire to use that i made.
@@MateriaLord826 Thing is, Navarre can get Debilitate. Which means you can have your demons only focus on healing and damage. Same with Asahi/Isabeau, where you can have them buff and do damage but not have to heal
title theme when u betray/fight ur friends to take down YHVH?
How is theme call?
ruclips.net/video/AhvLVhuh2dg/видео.html
This is why I prefer Peace Route...
Fuck power of friendship
@@Nova67827 Ehhh... I still did both Routes simultaneously
Fuck law
Fuck peace neutral
I didn't say Law's good. Law and Chaos both suck, I always go Neutral
You know, if you think about it for a sec, you'd notice how Anarchy is closer to Law than anything else... Shit ain't Neutral at all.
I would argue it's more similar to chaos, the main focus is individuality and freedom
@@terminatortala1 Except in the end you become god and control everything?
@@t-universegamer7609 I'd say it's essentially Yosuga mk 2. in the new universe, those with strength control literally everything, while those who have faith in anything other than themselves are trampled underfoot.
Imagine this is a true ending
Worst friends
Rip the bebies.;(
Damn I said it was hard to sympathize w them years ago? What the fuck, yeah no they really don't deserve to be betrayed after helping you, and if deciding to not ally with you because of your choices is so bad then Dagda should be to blame too
like I said, everyone is in the wrong here. both sides use you as a pawn, only to turn against you when you are no longer following their orders. at least Dagda is honest about it....sometimes.
@@christopherbravo1813 I forgot to respond, I don't think the friends are necessarily using you, they align with you because they have goals of their own, and at that point Nanashi get's in the way of their goals not the other way around
I wouldn't say the friends use you so much as they scratch your back and hope you scratch theirs too, plus I don't think accusing them of using the protagonist necessarily means much when to get this route you need to answer dark questions which mostly include being a jerk and using Asahi as an actual human shield in the adramelch fight
@@pedro2629 like I *said,* I don't like either route. however, even if your "friends" aren't manipulating you, they are still using you as a pawn and being incredibly hypocritical. personally, if I were Nanashi, I'd ditch everyone and find my OWN path-one that isn't forced on me by other people.
@@christopherbravo1813 Such as?
Name a third path, if you say that's what you would do
@@LichLordFortissimo I'd either strike out on my own or sit down and do nothing.
This game is too one sided when it came to paths. I literally have no reason to take this path
I really *love* how SMT is all like "hey, you can go down one of several different paths! you're free to choose!" and yet are always clearly biased towards a singular ending.
@@christopherbravo1813 it’s really only the more modern smt’s that favors neutral. In smt1 and strange journey everything is fucked no matter what and I’d argue that Aleph suffers more in neutral than say chaos. Nocturne favors the true demon ending because the one we got in the west is a rerelease that added the Amala labyrinth to get the TDE so it makes sense that they focus on that
@@sock312 Yeah I agree with you, my memory of smt 2 is limited but I think Aleph was better of in the law ending, but for smt 3 I'd say you can go with either TDE or the freedom ending both make sense in some way but smt 4(both of them) has been weirdly neutral.
If Asahi purposely tried to get nanashi killed in the beginning for whatever reason and nanashi had experienced several backstabbing throughout the story I wouldn't mind picking this ending
@@EA-bv8zk well unironically his friends are annoying and almost useless and the regular people of Tokyo and later Mikado change their opinions on nanashi every other day. One second he is not to be trusted and should be merked and then he’s a savior to mankind and a messiah to them...I wouldn’t feel obligated to save people who treated me like that
@@sock312 but would you justify slaughtering them all?
i love how even after 12349012490 years you still cant fight more than 3 people at the same time in any smt game
yes you can, in SMT 3 Nocturne you can fight 7 or 6, and in Digital Devil Saga you can fight 5
Can confirm you can get ganked by like 7ish slimes in Nocturne, was a very eye opening first encounter in the overworld
SMT 1- 2 Majin Tensei, and ps2 Era megaten games would like to know your location
They're actually 4 at 8:10
@@KazShiro also the snes games and famicom games
This was hard to watch.
Forreal, I actually liked all of Nanashi’s friends. I’m glad Asahi was sort of spared from this fight, I wouldn’t be able to lay a finger on her
Imagine if there was a bloodied dying face for each convo of them. Brutal man.
@@Charle_Z finally a non toki simp
@@Honest_Mids_Masher I’m a Nozomi simp as well XD
@@Charle_Z can't agree on that but at the same time they're rare so neat
16:49 - No... no no no! You are *NOT* making me kill lovesick yandere-ish Cassandra Lee Morris!
Lol this fight is fucked up
this game has no good path...
This megami tensei God yaweh Allah Para Brahman is dead and so is hope and your friends
This is the good path
@@aprinnyonbreak1290 hm, doesn't look like the MC is siding with God.
I'm so glad the peace ending is the true ending
SMT sure went Undertale today.
I mean, SMT was always like this though. Sure SMT1 didn't have sad music on that ol' super famicom cartridge for max feels, but friend murder has always been there.
Err It was like this since SMT1, dude.
dont compare garbage to a YHVH tier rpg saga
@@XxDeViLBrInGeRxX "eberyfing I don like bad"
@@XxDeViLBrInGeRxX So these are the "Mature and philosophical" SMT Fans I heard so much about...
One of the worst battle I've ever seen. It's just cruel for the sake of being cruel and edgy.
So perfectly fitting SMT then?
@Volteus XVI What about all the other choices in SMT games? The ones that mostly lead to dark outcomes
@Volteus XVI In the previous game connected to this, the protagonist couldn't convince their female friend to stand down when he went against them, and ended up having a heart breaking battle against them, that ended in her killing herself.
I dunno.
Killing your friends to kill god to take his role to create any kind of world, including one where, for example, you and your friends live in a place that isn't a demon infested hellscape sounds pretty good.
You could even make 99% of the population Asahi if you wanted. And none of them would know what they hell they were doing.