20:05 Hits the nail on the head. Hindu narrative today is more about exclusivity rather than inclusivity. We need to understand that we need to support and encourage any small pro-Hindu action by anyone. For example, recently when Sara Ali Khan flaunted her Hinduness, a lot of people labelled it al taqiya rather than praise and encourage her for embracing her Hindu identity. This will only alienate people who want to come into the Hindu fold.
Abhijit has so many incredible ideas and a vast wealth of knowledge, He says what he believes and backs it up. He's forced me to rethink many ideas I've had. And Nikunj is doing amazing work for the Hindu community in America. Loved the discussion and hope to get involved in the near future
I am not living in North America but good old India but I might as well subscribe if your gonna get guests like Abhijit. Enjoy listening to him greatly!
Wonderful podcast. The host deserves appreciation for stressing from time to time on the key takeaways from the discussion. Got to see how Abhijit acknowledged the same..kudos!!
This has been an amazing discussion!! Well done Another thing that should be considered is - Stop focusing only on this "South Asian" commonality - No harm in creating such alliances, but there has to be a well-oiled well-knit Hindu ecosystem.
I completely agree with AIM on having community institutions and generating revenue. If we are able to do it, then there is no stopping. Since, we have very high per capita income. Ex: I fail to get an orphanage or old age home run by Hindu charitable trust which are approachable by distance or willingness to accept even a small donation. While a christian org will agree to take even INR 100 with great humility.
Attrocties on Bangladeshi Hindus must be addressed, & Bangladeshi govt should be held responsible for not countering Islamists & providing rights & safety to Hindu minority.👍👍👍
AIM has been talking about extinction of Hindusim in the next century due to lack of political protection for Hindus in India itself. Our current government of Modi BJP is actually doing nothing for Hindus and in fact actively hurting Hindus of India.
BJP is not a Hindu party. It thrives on fear of Hindus. They are least concerned about us. Recent example is delhi riots, targeted killings of their karyakartas in bengal after state election and recent killings of hindus in kashmir and not holding IPS officer of bihar accountable of killing of Devi bhakt Anurag Poddar.
Strange that you did not mention the South African Hindu community. They are the largest percentage on Hindus of a foreign country's population. Besides, the Mahatma spend a lot of time here and is still popular here!
@@CoHNAOfficial I am really obliged. We need support and exposure. Can I also have a safe line of contact to introduce myself and the lead lawyer who heads the campaign for the marginalised Hindus. Thx
Abhijit you're still doing a PhD? That too from Kings University London. Is it part time? How are you doing it? Genuine question. Also fellowship agency?
what about influencers like Sundar Pichai . Satya Nadella or a big rich Hindu owning that can influence our cause like Mukesh Ambani buying out Newyork Times !
@@montysharma8271 thats true. such high level people may think pure business.. Many a times they may admit their inclination in private but refused to acknowledge in public for fear of business impact
The deep seeded hatred of Indian muslims against hindus also takes it roots from the time when they also used to be Hindus before converting because of being oppressed by the caste systems and lure of not having to pay taxes and the false pride of becoming one with the rulers of the time.
this is good, BJP or RSS denies funds to you ,now you start speaking against it, very nice. I saw this even in Rajiv Malhotra videos, where he is openly asking RSS to fund him.
@@Kamath.venkat this is the problem with general hindus. Nobody talking about the concern we hindus are facing globally but morons like you quickly jump on to comment about someone accent. Even if his accent is fake atleast he is doing something good for greater cause unlike talking shit. When we as a religion will unite for our cause? Why we are pulling each other legs instead of pushing forward? We have to ponder about such questions. What are the causes of disunity among Hindus?
@@Kamath.venkat this is the problem with general hindus. Nobody talking about the concern we hindus are facing globally but morons like you quickly jump on to comment about someone accent. Even if his accent is fake atleast he is doing something good for greater cause unlike talking shit. When we as a religion will unite for our cause? Why we are pulling each other legs instead of pushing forward? We have to ponder about such questions. What are the causes of disunity among Hindus?
There is a new generation of Americans who admire RSS and the "awakening" of the Hindutva philosophy. They kept quiet for the last 40 years worked hard, got everybody's admiration, and reached financial independence in their new homeland. Now emboldened by the new Govt. in India they are trying to recruit the newly arrived Indian youth. These newly arrived students are gullible and have been brainwashed by the "new Hinduism". REMEMBER that their own children in America keep away from their hate-filled rhetoric and newfound faith. These 2nd generation Indian-American kids know how to work hard and keep away from them.
Since when did Hindu dharma become Abrahamised? Do we have commandments? I suggest you read Rig Veda completely, which itself condones consumption of beef in many instances (again, they are not an absolute that Hindus have to follow since some philosophies like Carvaka dismiss Vedas as well). By your own logic none of the people in the Vedic Age are Hindu (since animal sacrifices including cow were prevelant), all the rituals like Ashvamedha Yagna, etc. are not Hindu. I can go on and on. Stop with your foolish, backward litmus tests which only alienates others and pushes them away from the religion. Dharmic philosophies are inclusive irrespective of what you believe, what you eat, who you worship. Understand your own religion before making a fool of yourself.
Its exactly what Abhijit says in the video. You just try to find Salience and fight other Hindus based on your own made up low-iq absolutisms. Because of idiots like you we can never be consolidated.
@@_Ironhide Yes sanatan dharam is not like abrahamic religion and you are not required to strictly follow scriptures this worship of cow is not made up assumption , this is written in scriptures Sanatan dharm is very similar to pegan cultures where we worship nature and animals that feed us, in earlier times cow used to be part of family and cow milk was one the main source of food so people started revering cow Sanatan dharam teaches you to live without exploiting and harming nature and animals and cant you give up eating beef or meat IS TASTE ATMOST PRIORITY IN YOUR LIFE
@@shivamkaushik8547 There are the two arguments- Religious (as alluded by the OP), Moral (as put forward by you). I will answer former first. His argument was Religious-“Eating cow meat means you aren’t a Hindu”. My answer is there is no overarching dictate in Hinduism which states that eating beef is wrong. I’ll explain again: 1. There is ample empirical and archaeological evidence wrt to cattle slaughter and consumption in Indus valley Civilisation as well as during the Vedic Age. 2. Like any long book, Vedas themselves contradict themselves on the topic: These are arguments FOR eating beef. - Maharishi Yagyavalkya says in Shatpath Brahmin (3/1/2/21) that, “I eat beef because it is very soft and delicious.” - Apastamb Grihsutram (1/3/10) says, “The cow should be slaughtered on the arrival of a guest, on the occasion of ‘Shraddha’ of ancestors and on the occasion of a marriage.” - Rigveda (10/85/13) declares, “On the occasion of a girl’s marriage oxen and cows are slaughtered.” - Rigveda (6/17/1) states that “Indra used to eat the meat of cow, calf, horse and buffalo.” - Vashistha Dharmasutra (11/34) writes, “If a Brahmin refuses to eat the meat offered to him on the occasion of ‘Shraddha’ or worship, he goes to hell.” Even Vivekananda once commented “You will be surprised to know that according to ancient Hindu rites and rituals, a man cannot be a good Hindu who does not eat beef”. Arguments against beef eating: - Atharvaveda (8/6/23) says, “We ought to destroy those who eat cooked as well as uncooked meat, meat involving destruction of males and females, foetus and eggs.” -Atharvaveda (10/1/29) says, “It is definitely a great sin to kill innocents. Do not kill our cows, horses and people.” - Yajurveda (1.1) says, “O human! animals are Aghnya - not to be killed. Protect the animals.” There is no one religious doctrine which explicitly prohibits anything, as you can see. 3. Plenty of philosophies like Yoga, Buddhism, Jainism, condemn consumption of meat whereas Vedanta, Mimamsa, Carvaka, etc. allow it and at many times encourage it. You tell me, religiously, what is the absolute? And which philosophy is supreme? I can guarantee from the lack of substance of your arguments that you have zero knowledge of your own scriptures. Just know how to shout Sanatana everywhere. The idea of Sanatana Dharma itself implies all philosophies can co-exist (many completely contradictory) and there are multiple ways to god. There is no absolute truth.
@@shivamkaushik8547 With respect to your moral argument. Who are you to decide what is moral/ethical? Do you consume onions, garlic, potato? Do you wear/ use leather products? If you do, you are morally wrong to a devout Digambara Jain. Do you consume milk? Please take a look at the Diary industry as to how cows and newborn calves are treated there. In Hinduism itself we have multiple regional variants. - In Bengal, frequent animal sacrifices are made to Maa Kali. - Numerous animal sacrifices are made to local deities and demi-gods in Maharashtra, Tamil Nadu, Nepal, etc. Some of them include cattle. - Aghoris go as far as to consume dead human flesh as part of their ritualistic worship of Lord Rudra. - Sikhs’ religious doctrine mandates Jhatka form of meat. If you believe consumption of cow meat or any other meat for that matter is wrong you have every right to believe so. You are free to preach it as well. But you have absolutely no right to issue certificates on who is a Hindu and who isn’t. Moral lectures can be endless and are subjective. We need to put all our differences aside and come together to fight those want to abolish Sanatana and introduce a monotheistic, absolute ideology. You yourself are becoming like them and having absolutes on what is correct for our religion and alienating other beliefs. Coexistence is the whole idea of Hinduism. Find common ground with your Hindu brothers and stop Abrahamising it.
Charo taraf AIM AIM hoyi payi hai. He is rocking the youtube and twitter charts these days.
Yes
20:05 Hits the nail on the head. Hindu narrative today is more about exclusivity rather than inclusivity. We need to understand that we need to support and encourage any small pro-Hindu action by anyone. For example, recently when Sara Ali Khan flaunted her Hinduness, a lot of people labelled it al taqiya rather than praise and encourage her for embracing her Hindu identity. This will only alienate people who want to come into the Hindu fold.
Yes but masses can't understand politics like this it's intellectuals who need to guide
Abhijit has so many incredible ideas and a vast wealth of knowledge, He says what he believes and backs it up. He's forced me to rethink many ideas I've had. And Nikunj is doing amazing work for the Hindu community in America. Loved the discussion and hope to get involved in the near future
Nikunj , to me I think you raised very relevant questions and Abhijit in answers , had very categorically guided the future steps .
Impressive Nikunj! You ask relevant questions! AIM; always a master! Love him to bits!
Great job, AIM needs to be called more often
I am not living in North America but good old India but I might as well subscribe if your gonna get guests like Abhijit. Enjoy listening to him greatly!
Wonderful podcast. The host deserves appreciation for stressing from time to time on the key takeaways from the discussion. Got to see how Abhijit acknowledged the same..kudos!!
He should be invited to August 15 event or something to US.
Gr8 work being done.
.....With you.
This has been an amazing discussion!! Well done
Another thing that should be considered is - Stop focusing only on this "South Asian" commonality - No harm in creating such alliances, but there has to be a well-oiled well-knit Hindu ecosystem.
Not south asian but indian
Mind your language and postmodernist mind
Fruitful conversation. Good wishes
Hindus have to fund (Hindu organisation & Hindu Rights Organisation) to address issues of Hindus globally ....👍👍👍
I completely agree with AIM on having community institutions and generating revenue.
If we are able to do it, then there is no stopping. Since, we have very high per capita income.
Ex: I fail to get an orphanage or old age home run by Hindu charitable trust which are approachable by distance or willingness to accept even a small donation. While a christian org will agree to take even INR 100 with great humility.
51:13 regarding blacks. One thing Hindus need to do is recognise Swami Ghanananda
He is a great Guru.
I second you.
Organising (Sanatan Dharma) is very important to address Hindu issues.
& for these Organization like (Aarya Samaj, Cohna,) etc. should be funded ...
Attrocties on Bangladeshi Hindus must be addressed, & Bangladeshi govt should be held responsible for not countering Islamists & providing rights & safety to Hindu minority.👍👍👍
AIM has been talking about extinction of Hindusim in the next century due to lack of political protection for Hindus in India itself. Our current government of Modi BJP is actually doing nothing for Hindus and in fact actively hurting Hindus of India.
It's a bit tough but possible
BJP is not a Hindu party. It thrives on fear of Hindus. They are least concerned about us. Recent example is delhi riots, targeted killings of their karyakartas in bengal after state election and recent killings of hindus in kashmir and not holding IPS officer of bihar accountable of killing of Devi bhakt Anurag Poddar.
exactly. modi's policies are all empowering muslims. they are taking up all over spaces which wasnt the case before. he is hurting hindus in india.
Har jagah ye hi aata hai
Glad for thst. He is one of the few knowlegable person and also a staunch Hindu. He tells the truth and it can be bitter for some .
@@janavisundaresan6419 don't call him staunch Hindu. He is a beef eater. However his knowledge on interest of hindus is superb and useful.
Strange that you did not mention the South African Hindu community. They are the largest percentage on Hindus of a foreign country's population. Besides, the Mahatma spend a lot of time here and is still popular here!
or the Malaysian Hindus ...pls give us a platform
@@zkykmxgj7490 Please connect with us-we'd love to find out more.
Happy to connect with any Hindus of South African origin who now live in North America
@@CoHNAOfficial I am really obliged. We need support and exposure. Can I also have a safe line of contact to introduce myself and the lead lawyer who heads the campaign for the marginalised Hindus. Thx
@@zkykmxgj7490 please email us -- info@cohna.org
Abhijit you're still doing a PhD? That too from Kings University London. Is it part time? How are you doing it? Genuine question. Also fellowship agency?
Wow, AIM is
what about influencers like Sundar Pichai . Satya Nadella or a big rich Hindu owning that can influence our cause like Mukesh Ambani buying out Newyork Times !
They are not intellectually inclined towards greater Hindu cause and interest.
@@montysharma8271 thats true. such high level people may think pure business.. Many a times they may admit their inclination in private but refused to acknowledge in public for fear of business impact
@@DineshSharma-um1bu Their fear defines the lack of knowledge and courage to stand up for the right cause.
Why would you reward NKT for bad behavior?
@@montysharma8271 they are very anti-hindu and also anti-india to sm extent.
👍
Overall good but there are some points he makes that are ridiculous
The deep seeded hatred of Indian muslims against hindus also takes it roots from the time when they also used to be Hindus before converting because of being oppressed by the caste systems and lure of not having to pay taxes and the false pride of becoming one with the rulers of the time.
this is good, BJP or RSS denies funds to you ,now you start speaking against it, very nice. I saw this even in Rajiv Malhotra videos, where he is openly asking RSS to fund him.
Great podcast!! Why the fake America accent AIM?
He didn’t.
WHERE THE FUCK DO YOU HEAR AN AMERICAN ACCENT LMAO
Fake Accent? I think you need to listen other videos of him. That’s how he speaks Om.
Why AIM accent changes slightly
who spotted desi accent changed to angreji accent😂😂
he changed to natural one after some time...
Trivedi, you are so confused. Either have a desi accent or dont!
He can do whatever he wants
@@Kamath.venkat this is the problem with general hindus. Nobody talking about the concern we hindus are facing globally but morons like you quickly jump on to comment about someone accent. Even if his accent is fake atleast he is doing something good for greater cause unlike talking shit. When we as a religion will unite for our cause? Why we are pulling each other legs instead of pushing forward? We have to ponder about such questions. What are the causes of disunity among Hindus?
@@Kamath.venkat this is the problem with general hindus. Nobody talking about the concern we hindus are facing globally but morons like you quickly jump on to comment about someone accent. Even if his accent is fake atleast he is doing something good for greater cause unlike talking shit. When we as a religion will unite for our cause? Why we are pulling each other legs instead of pushing forward? We have to ponder about such questions. What are the causes of disunity among Hindus?
There is a new generation of Americans who admire RSS and the "awakening" of the Hindutva philosophy. They kept quiet for the last 40 years worked hard, got everybody's admiration, and reached financial independence in their new homeland. Now emboldened by the new Govt. in India they are trying to recruit the newly arrived Indian youth. These newly arrived students are gullible and have been brainwashed by the "new Hinduism". REMEMBER that their own children in America keep away from their hate-filled rhetoric and newfound faith. These 2nd generation Indian-American kids know how to work hard and keep away from them.
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Abhijit sala har jagah mill jata hai🤨.
No sanatani channel display their contact details, why ???
99% are same like you.
Are you connecting sanatani of world or just making money?
Have you visited our website at cohna.org? It has the relevant contact details.
Say to Abhijit that RSS also do politics nd corruption on ground, he always says that RSS is a very idealistic organization nd they are nobles .
If Abhijit eat cow then how can he be Hindu .
Since when did Hindu dharma become Abrahamised? Do we have commandments?
I suggest you read Rig Veda completely, which itself condones consumption of beef in many instances (again, they are not an absolute that Hindus have to follow since some philosophies like Carvaka dismiss Vedas as well).
By your own logic none of the people in the Vedic Age are Hindu (since animal sacrifices including cow were prevelant), all the rituals like Ashvamedha Yagna, etc. are not Hindu. I can go on and on. Stop with your foolish, backward litmus tests which only alienates others and pushes them away from the religion.
Dharmic philosophies are inclusive irrespective of what you believe, what you eat, who you worship.
Understand your own religion before making a fool of yourself.
Its exactly what Abhijit says in the video. You just try to find Salience and fight other Hindus based on your own made up low-iq absolutisms.
Because of idiots like you we can never be consolidated.
@@_Ironhide Yes sanatan dharam is not like abrahamic religion and you are not required to strictly follow scriptures
this worship of cow is not made up assumption , this is written in scriptures
Sanatan dharm is very similar to pegan cultures where we worship nature and animals that feed us, in earlier times cow used to be part of family and cow milk was one the main source of food so people started revering cow
Sanatan dharam teaches you to live without exploiting and harming nature and animals and cant you give up eating beef or meat
IS TASTE ATMOST PRIORITY IN YOUR LIFE
@@shivamkaushik8547
There are the two arguments- Religious (as alluded by the OP), Moral (as put forward by you). I will answer former first.
His argument was Religious-“Eating cow meat means you aren’t a Hindu”. My answer is there is no overarching dictate in Hinduism which states that eating beef is wrong.
I’ll explain again:
1. There is ample empirical and archaeological evidence wrt to cattle slaughter and consumption in Indus valley Civilisation as well as during the Vedic Age.
2. Like any long book, Vedas themselves contradict themselves on the topic:
These are arguments FOR eating beef.
- Maharishi Yagyavalkya says in Shatpath Brahmin (3/1/2/21) that, “I eat beef because it is very soft and delicious.”
- Apastamb Grihsutram (1/3/10) says, “The cow should be slaughtered on the arrival of a guest, on the occasion of ‘Shraddha’ of ancestors and on the occasion of a marriage.”
- Rigveda (10/85/13) declares, “On the occasion of a girl’s marriage oxen and cows are slaughtered.”
- Rigveda (6/17/1) states that “Indra used to eat the meat of cow, calf, horse and buffalo.”
- Vashistha Dharmasutra (11/34) writes, “If a Brahmin refuses to eat the meat offered to him on the occasion of ‘Shraddha’ or worship, he goes to hell.”
Even Vivekananda once commented “You will be surprised to know that according to ancient Hindu rites and rituals, a man cannot be a good Hindu who does not eat beef”.
Arguments against beef eating:
- Atharvaveda (8/6/23) says, “We ought to destroy those who eat cooked as well as uncooked meat, meat involving destruction of males and females, foetus and eggs.”
-Atharvaveda (10/1/29) says, “It is definitely a great sin to kill innocents. Do not kill our cows, horses and people.”
- Yajurveda (1.1) says, “O human! animals are Aghnya - not to be killed. Protect the animals.”
There is no one religious doctrine which explicitly prohibits anything, as you can see.
3. Plenty of philosophies like Yoga, Buddhism, Jainism, condemn consumption of meat whereas Vedanta, Mimamsa, Carvaka, etc. allow it and at many times encourage it.
You tell me, religiously, what is the absolute? And which philosophy is supreme? I can guarantee from the lack of substance of your arguments that you have zero knowledge of your own scriptures. Just know how to shout Sanatana everywhere.
The idea of Sanatana Dharma itself implies all philosophies can co-exist (many completely contradictory) and there are multiple ways to god. There is no absolute truth.
@@shivamkaushik8547 With respect to your moral argument. Who are you to decide what is moral/ethical?
Do you consume onions, garlic, potato? Do you wear/ use leather products? If you do, you are morally wrong to a devout Digambara Jain. Do you consume milk? Please take a look at the Diary industry as to how cows and newborn calves are treated there.
In Hinduism itself we have multiple regional variants.
- In Bengal, frequent animal sacrifices are made to Maa Kali.
- Numerous animal sacrifices are made to local deities and demi-gods in Maharashtra, Tamil Nadu, Nepal, etc. Some of them include cattle.
- Aghoris go as far as to consume dead human flesh as part of their ritualistic worship of Lord Rudra.
- Sikhs’ religious doctrine mandates Jhatka form of meat.
If you believe consumption of cow meat or any other meat for that matter is wrong you have every right to believe so. You are free to preach it as well.
But you have absolutely no right to issue certificates on who is a Hindu and who isn’t. Moral lectures can be endless and are subjective.
We need to put all our differences aside and come together to fight those want to abolish Sanatana and introduce a monotheistic, absolute ideology. You yourself are becoming like them and having absolutes on what is correct for our religion and alienating other beliefs.
Coexistence is the whole idea of Hinduism. Find common ground with your Hindu brothers and stop Abrahamising it.