The majority of privately educated children become successful adults, even if they’re lazy & stupid, because of the contacts they make - and most importantly, because they’ve had money shat at them by their parents who can afford such fees. The most intelligent / talented / hard working students from state schools struggle to compete if they’re from less affluent backgrounds because of the glass floor - rich kids are extremely unlikely to fail in life.
@@hellosunnymorning I didn’t say “all” I said the majority. There will always be exceptions, but I think without doubt there is a trend that MOST people who went to private schools get an unfair advantage over others. We do not have equality of opportunity in the UK, anyone who thinks our political leaders / CEOs of companies / etc got to where they are because of meritocracy is deluded. There are a lot of people who come from state schools with loads of potential, but who face an uphill struggle before they’ve even started their career.
@@hellosunnymorning so you believe privately educated people don’t have an advantage over state educated…? I’m a little confused by your side of the argument but I’m willing to listen
Here is an idea , we keep Private Schools but rebuild or turn one school into a Grammar within every borough in the United Kingdom. As they would offer a chance based on meritocracy for the academically gifted, but also how about we build or turn one school into a Technical and another into a vocational within every borough in the United Kingdom. Remember not everyone is suited to go down the academic route, but learning a trade via trade school is a good alternative. I do agree private schools are good, but having a hybrid approach within the state sector in education would help. I say this as someone who has worked as a teacher within education private and state for many years, but also as an individual from a low income working class background growing up. I would like to see what others think about this idea?
Surprising lack of discussion in the whole debate about the critical benefit of having an independent school sector in the first place, which is that they're independent from government control. Who in their right mind would want to hand all control of school education to the government? We know governments can't always be relied on, even the ones we support. And who knows what government we'll end up with 10, 20, 50 years? Independent education is critical to a free democratic society, and every one benefits from the protection it provides against tyranny.
How did the group vote. Did anybody who did not have the tremendous advantage of going to a private school agree with the motion ? It is surprising that it is necessary to have to have a debate on such a motion. It must be blatantly obvious that the two tier educational system gives unfair advantages to absorbers of a rosy eyed view of say British History. In the lower orders just to hear or know somebody who went to a private school gives them deference whether deserved or not. Phase these divisive school's out slowly.
I didn’t have the advantage of a private school… in fact I went to a poor performing state school. While I think the proposition is a little overstated, I do somewhat agree with it. We have decided to put our son through the private system and heavily rely on bursaries. All private schools offer bursaries that allows children from all walks of life to potentially access private education. While I understand the idea of phasing private schools out sounds rather tempting when considering the Finnish system, ultimately it’s an ideological stance. In practise, all that will do will force the elite to send their cherubs abroad to Switzerland, Ireland, America etc where they can still access an elite education. Why not push private schools to do more outreach work and take more children on bursaries instead?
Really struggling watching Prof Francis Green argue against private education, knowing that he had the privilege of a boarding school education. An education that led him to Oxford University no less. Is this a do as I say not as I do?
That's like saying that Nehru and Gandhi were pro-British because they went to British universities. Some of the greatest and most earnest critics of a given power structure come from within, not outside.
Francis Green misuses the 7% stat, like so many others do. The percentage of sixth formers that are educated at fee paying schools is much higher than 7%, and those are the people that go on to become judges, etc.
I went a public school. But I’m sending my kids to a private school. More structure..I’m an anomaly 👼🏽 sports, books, science, math, politics, history, religion, And language….AP
The last person speaking is hardly eloquent! Had a battle understanding what she was speaking about.! Having taught for many many years, the last thing you want ,is to teach pupils who don’t value education, in many state schools.
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The majority of privately educated children become successful adults, even if they’re lazy & stupid, because of the contacts they make - and most importantly, because they’ve had money shat at them by their parents who can afford such fees.
The most intelligent / talented / hard working students from state schools struggle to compete if they’re from less affluent backgrounds because of the glass floor - rich kids are extremely unlikely to fail in life.
@@hellosunnymorning I didn’t say “all” I said the majority. There will always be exceptions, but I think without doubt there is a trend that MOST people who went to private schools get an unfair advantage over others. We do not have equality of opportunity in the UK, anyone who thinks our political leaders / CEOs of companies / etc got to where they are because of meritocracy is deluded. There are a lot of people who come from state schools with loads of potential, but who face an uphill struggle before they’ve even started their career.
@@hellosunnymorning so you believe privately educated people don’t have an advantage over state educated…? I’m a little confused by your side of the argument but I’m willing to listen
Here is an idea , we keep Private Schools but rebuild or turn one school into a Grammar within every borough in the United Kingdom. As they would offer a chance based on meritocracy for the academically gifted, but also how about we build or turn one school into a Technical and another into a vocational within every borough in the United Kingdom. Remember not everyone is suited to go down the academic route, but learning a trade via trade school is a good alternative.
I do agree private schools are good, but having a hybrid approach within the state sector in education would help. I say this as someone who has worked as a teacher within education private and state for many years, but also as an individual from a low income working class background growing up.
I would like to see what others think about this idea?
Well it has preserved and reinforced the British class socitety and kept the financial/titled elite in power over and over again!
Surprising lack of discussion in the whole debate about the critical benefit of having an independent school sector in the first place, which is that they're independent from government control. Who in their right mind would want to hand all control of school education to the government? We know governments can't always be relied on, even the ones we support. And who knows what government we'll end up with 10, 20, 50 years? Independent education is critical to a free democratic society, and every one benefits from the protection it provides against tyranny.
The problem isn’t so much tyranny in the future as oligarchy in the present.
How did the group vote. Did anybody who did not have the tremendous advantage of going to a private school agree with the motion ? It is surprising that it is necessary to have to have a debate on such a motion. It must be blatantly obvious that the two tier educational system gives unfair advantages to absorbers of a rosy eyed view of say British History. In the lower orders just to hear or know somebody who went to a private school gives them deference whether deserved or not. Phase these divisive school's out slowly.
I didn’t have the advantage of a private school… in fact I went to a poor performing state school. While I think the proposition is a little overstated, I do somewhat agree with it. We have decided to put our son through the private system and heavily rely on bursaries. All private schools offer bursaries that allows children from all walks of life to potentially access private education. While I understand the idea of phasing private schools out sounds rather tempting when considering the Finnish system, ultimately it’s an ideological stance. In practise, all that will do will force the elite to send their cherubs abroad to Switzerland, Ireland, America etc where they can still access an elite education. Why not push private schools to do more outreach work and take more children on bursaries instead?
Really struggling watching Prof Francis Green argue against private education, knowing that he had the privilege of a boarding school education. An education that led him to Oxford University no less. Is this a do as I say not as I do?
That's like saying that Nehru and Gandhi were pro-British because they went to British universities. Some of the greatest and most earnest critics of a given power structure come from within, not outside.
That's like dismissing the statistics produced by climate scientists because some use gas cars or fly on an airplane once in a while.
Francis Green misuses the 7% stat, like so many others do. The percentage of sixth formers that are educated at fee paying schools is much higher than 7%, and those are the people that go on to become judges, etc.
“Please don’t change the status quo”
The comments on Cambridge debates are always so bizarre and rarely constructive & useful I really don't get it. I wonder what the demographic is.
Do you feel that your comment has been constructive? 🤔
This is what I've noticed as well
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I went a public school. But I’m sending my kids to a private school. More structure..I’m an anomaly 👼🏽 sports, books, science, math, politics, history, religion, And language….AP
True hero here!
The last person speaking is hardly eloquent! Had a battle understanding what she was speaking about.! Having taught for many many years, the last thing you want ,is to teach pupils who don’t value education, in many state schools.
Surprise surfuckingprize.
Too many ethnic voices in the debate
What does this even mean? Go and read a book