How much can you print with 1 bottle of resin? | Elegoo Saturn / Elegoo Mars 2 Pro
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- Опубликовано: 2 окт 2024
- How many things can you print with 1 bottle of resin? Well, today we are going to test that out and see.
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these imperial measurements confuse me
This exact "conversions" seems to be happening over and over again.
"oh you wont believe i hacked my gfs insta!"
"wow it took me 20 min (probably the time they need to steal your bankinfo) but it really worked!"
Please dont be scammed ppl.
urgh, Imperial units!
video was going so good until those gibberish numbers hit the screen lol
😭📏⚖️
Lol I'm American and I feel the same way. Gimme the kilograms
I'm American, I use the metric system, this hurts me
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I would like to see you print the same files instead of different ones. That would be a better comparison.
When you say bottle on the title you could add the size (1000L/g ? 500L/g) ? It's implied on the size of it and on the video but that's an important info to be in our face. Thanks for the video !
it looks like it says 1000g on the bottle
it's 1000g / 1L (for water, i don't know what density the resin has). 1000 L is literally a ton of water.
He shows the bottle don’t be that guy..
@@hiiiiii9886 it would have been nice to know, some of us watch on our phones...lol. hard to see the bottle text.
how many things can you print with one bottle of resin...
Depends on the size of the bottle :P
Me with a 10ml bottle. Ohhh yeaaah
you can print 1 + 1.8 units of some archaic flat-earth measurement system that only one country in the world still uses.
Uncle Jessy is like "whats a kilogram???"
On the next video, you'll tell us the printed weight in bananas and walnuts for a one thousand GRAMS bottle. Does the GRAMS word give you any clue? Oh, do you know you can set the scale to 0 with the tray on, so you don't have to substract the tray's weight in bananas/walnuts every goddamn time? Just sayin'
1000 grams is a liter its annoying but its not hard to do the math
@@stuff3862 No it’s not. That’s only true for water
@@stuff3862 where your math at?
@@stevenr3544 yeah i went back and redid my calculations when I realized that
@@beawatton thats true for any liquid that have a density of 1
So the answer to the question of "How much can you print with one bottle of resin?" is "Never enough!"
i know what you can make with those skulls. The logo of Xcom 2 has a Sectoids head built with human skulls
Oh nice call!
Great video as i always wondered about this but my main thought was towards FDM printing and resin. To me it doesn't seem like a lot of mini's for a whole bottle of resin, especially if they are hollowed. I would love to see a resin to FDM comparison for 1kg of each and printing the same things! Of course fdm is not nearly as good for minis and such but some of the bigger busts would be a great comparison! Seems even more expensive to print in resin than I first thought :(
Can you tell weight readings next time for normal people as well? - I mean KILOGRAMS and GRAMS! :)
I would love to know that too....
Kilograms and grams are measures of mass, not weight. If you want SI units of weight, you want Newtons or Dynes.
That Joker bust is SICK!!! Such a beautiful file to see printed! Great video as always!
Wait! Just looking at the minis, you used a 1000g bottle, you printed 385.5g (13.6 ounce) of minis + 209.8 (7.4 ounce) of supports. That's only 595.3g - Your real "waste", that which evaporated into the ether is 404.7g, or 40% of the bottle. Holy hell that's a lot of waste. And it indicates why the single larger prints had more production. Cleaning prints wastes a ton of resin.
Brings up another question if that's correct, with evaporated resin, how much of that is caught in the filter versus ending up in the air you are breathing in your work area.
This is an apple to oranges. To really know which printer is more efficient you would need to print the same items between the 2 printers. Wonderful prints, but we cannot make any decisions based on this.
I believe you have a good thought, but there would be almost no difference. Actually a test like you suggested would probably make the Saturn look bad. The amount of Resin in the bottom of the vat would be a thinner height for the same amount of Resin between the two machines. Really there is no way to have an apples to apples fight between different weight classes of machines. It's the same thing if you were putting the Saturn vs. the Phenom. A good thought for sure, but just trying to tap your rudder a little bit to see why what he did was pretty perfect. Just my .02
I believe he was just checking to see how much you could print with a bottle of resin. He was not rating the printers themselves.
Same result over all.
The test was to see how much you could print with a bottle with minis and how much you could print with larger figures so you could plan ahead on your own projects and have an estimate on how much resin you need to complete it.
It wasnt a performance benchmark between printers.
I've wanted exactly this kind of video for so long.
Hey man, I know you stress not washing in the sink; which I totally get. However, what do you do with the leftover contaminated water in the wash tank/container? What’s the environmentally safe way of disposing of it? Thanks!
A 3 foot hole in the ground (joke)
I have not printed anything yet, just bought a Photon S as part of Anycubic's black Friday sale, going by their website, one bottle of resin starts at $23, if you are getting 30+ miniatures out of one bottle, that leaves material cost at about $.75 per figure, definitely not the price I thought it was going to be (I was thinking closer to $1.50 or more)
I love the idea of those busts though, didn't think of doing something like that until I saw it in a video, and now I think that might end up being a go to item. But I'm glad to see the cost isn't nearly as high as I thought it would be.
Damn, so $40 to print one of those trays? How much cheaper would filament be to print the same amount?
Oddly enough, in terms of time and quality. Resin would still be cheaper.
But if that is of no consern, in terms of real spent money, fdm is cheaper.
@@andrewwatts1997 he wants to know how much cheaper though
@@xr337 That depends. What plastic will you be printing with. Cheap PLA, perhaps 20 dollars per kilo ? More expencive ABS, or NYLON 40 to 60 dollars per kilo. Even PLA comes in 40 dollar roles.
@@andrewwatts1997 $5 abs
Filament is about $29 per kilogram for reasonable quality PLA. You can find it cheaper, but often the quality drops and the waste from bad prints means you ultimately don't save any money. Resin is about $40 per kilogram, at least the kind I buy.
Honestly, I have both types of printers. Filament is much better for big terrain or objects because the build plate is larger and the filament is a good material for bigger projects (doesn't break easily if dropped off the table). Resin is much better for small items and miniatures with high detail. Even a really good filament printer will struggle with fine detail, and the medium isn't suited for anything with thin protrusions.
Personally, I haven't found the overall cost difference between the two types of products to be huge, maybe about 25% cheaper for filament, but I was throwing away so many failed tiny prints on my filament printer that it probably balanced out when I started using resin for those little items and stopped getting so many failures.
Sorry, I like the video, but I gave a thumb down to no put the results also in International Units. :-(
Ohh damn I didnt even think about that. Will include those in the future.
Mars 2 Pro
Prints: 386g
Supports/etc: 209g
Saturn
Prints: 754g
Supports/etc: 215g
Now you can flip that thumb back upright where it belongs 😉
@@UncleJessy I always give you a thumb up to your videos, this is my first time giving a thumb down, one will not hurt. ;-)
I hope you didn't take it in a bad way. ^___^
@@GhostsofOnyx Thanks!! Yes, I did the conversion when I was watching the video. Thank you ^__^
@@JuanManuelRomeroMartin Haha, happy to man. Cheers
Looks like the only people who can buy a Elegoo Saturn are scalpers who are selling them for a hefty markup.
@Uncle Jessy
Hey good Sir! Have you done a review of the Anycubic Photon Mono X? Also would be kinda neat to see a head to head video between the Mono X and the Saturn. Future video ideas 😏.
was that a 1kg resin bottle? so the Saturn ended up doing close to 1kg, 940g, probably 60g left in printer. thats an excellent turn around
Awesome, maybe print same files on each next time. Also would be great to see you go through the process of hollowing and support for an sla prior to printing on Saturn. Thanks good stuff!
Thanks! I have an upcoming video covering the Hollowing/supporting and my settings on the saturn coming up soon! Will also be covering Chitubox & Lychee with that
@@UncleJessy Looking forward to seeing that one dude!
Full Size Iron Man in Resin, or something like that. Tell the waist, how much, how long, how many bottles. You get the idea..
Love love love it. In fact. Gives me an idea for a new video.
Thanks for the review but you need to put non-imperial measurements if you would like to appeal to people outside of US.
Really interesting topic, looking forward to the day we can buy a 3d printer that don't need supports.
There's a fdm printer that utilizes an additional axis so you can print without supports.
What’s wild is just a few years ago I thought this was never going to be soemrhjbf you could do at home without spending 10k+
@@UncleJessy its actually crazy how things have change. Im close to 31 years and it's mind blowing to me how fast things are evolving.
@@EJTechandDIY yeah I’m excited to see what new tech rolls out in the next year or two! Could be wild
aaah ... hopefully the future would let us reuse fail prints.
put some magic juice let the resin uncure and reusable, because hot damn the wasted amount is almost half the actual prints XD
It would be nice, but i would already be happy to have non-toxic resins
I don't know if you said it or not but was the Resin bottle 500g or 1000g? Also, what's the difference between 500g and 1000g? I assumed g meant grams but the bottles on amazon look the same size.
I have bought some 500g bottles where the bottle could fit 1000g but is half full
Also, yes, grams.
Hey, is there a difference between using 4k resin on an 8k printer or is it necessary to use 8k resin on an 8k printer?
Great info. How does running out of resin damage the FEP film?
So you managed to only get 0.85lb (385g) of actual prints out of a 2.2lb (1kg) bottle? This honestly sounds like a ton of wasted material. Is this a common occurrence that so much resin is wasted during printing? I thought the yields would be a lot higher tbh
Good question.
Uncle Jessie your prints on your Mars 2 pro are flawless can you do a video on your settings please?
So far I've used the very rigid elegoo resins; I was having fails at 30-45s bottom exposures with 6s layer exposure. I boosted that (at the sacrifice of much longer print times) up to 60s bottom layer 8s layer exposure times. Haven't yet had a failed print on the increased times, though I'm planning experimenting with incrementally dropping the exposure times.
Just ordered some Siraya flexible resin to lower the rigidity of my models, which I assume will radically change my results if I don't modify them.
Glad Elegoo is sponsoring awesome people like Uncle Jessy, they certainly aren't putting any tine or money into customer service and satisfaction.
They are putting in more than the competition
Anycubic let the domain for their support site lapse in 2016 and it took them nearly 4 months to set up a support contact form.
And the bottle is what one litter or what?
the oakin Phonix was 0.05 layer hight?
These results totally makes sense. If you think about surface area, the smaller items have a lot more surface area by volume than the larger items. It's more area for uncured resin to stick to and be washed away. plus if you look at the supports, and the fail print opportunity... I don't know if it's about the machine, If we weighed the left over resin from the minis it would have been better analysis. For large prints though, you got 72% out of the bottle onto your prints. That's pretty impressive. 39% for the minis is a bit of an eye opener, but there is no getting past physics and fluid mechanics. That's a big loss, but if you are at $36.00 bottle that is still about $1.00 per mini.
I'm a bit surprised at how little you can print with one bottle - I assume these are bottles of 1L (I have no idea what oz and lb is - perhaps you can convert it on screen in the future)?
If you consider one bottle costs €30 easily, getting 30 minis is like €1 per mini + the cost of buying them + cost of alcohol + electricity for printing & curing. That is still rather steep to me. I'm used to FDM where a mini like that would maybe be 10 grams or 20 cents. It's still cheaper than buying minis but you have all the extra work, the cost of the machines, etc.
printing totally different files is not a comparison.
So is that a 500 or 1000 size bottle? hard to tell.
🤦♂️🤦♂️🤦♂️ my bad man. I don’t think I mentioned that or listed it in the video text. 1000 bottle size 🤦♂️
Everytime i watch a Uncle Jessy video im lied to about how available the saturn is on amazon. 1499,99 resell... I really wish the reseller market just didnt exist and id stop being lied to about its availability. its getting really frustrating not being able to get this damn printer.
just got mine off a reseller for £600 oof
Need a Phenom L size printer. I like Epax for their innovations and they offer such a printer but its not 4k mono..any suggestions on what to buy?
Phenom L is really the only machine I’m aware of that size that is reasonably affordable. But non that I know that size have 4K mono screens..... yet
@@UncleJessy Here is the Epax one epax3d.com/products/epax-x156-uv-lcd-3d-printer
Great video, would love the weights in grams too, though!
For resins of this viscosity, about 1 gram per ml.
How long such print will last(month, years?) Will it shrink or deform with time? for example 3d resin sheet?
This has shocked me somewhat..just the amount of waste..makes me think more I should make good choices on what to print on my EMP2..
I'd love to see a koffing and wheezing pokemon printed. I'd even be willing to purchase them.
Printing them would be easy. The rough part is finding a talented sculptor to make them. You'd be looking at a cost of a few hundred dollars each, at least, to get something that shows all the details properly.
@@Sharpevil Thats why I went the road of learning how to do it myself.
Hey Jesse, How much have resin prices changed over the past 3 or so years? I hope that the price has come down in general as more brands become available and the technology in general has become more widespread with the release of much cheaper SLA printers.
hello, excellent video thank you very much. I have a question, do you cure the whole figure and then remove the helpers?
once the figure is cured, do the helpers come off that easy?
Very nice, love the miniatures. Is there any use for fails and used supports to recycle them in any way?
You can keep a few supports around and use them with the vat clean function on a lot of modern printers to make peeling the bottom cured layer easier; bunch of videos show how you can do that. Beyond that, yeah, not much use for them.
Any videos like this for PLA, TPU, PETG etc?
How do you like the washable resins? Is there a big difference between the ones you need to use IPA to clean? Seems like they would be a far less toxic product and easier to use....if the quality is good.
Uncle Jessy, Great video as always and a nice way to give beginners an idea of resin supply usage. Questions about the water wash resins. I've seen a lot of people commenting that we resin prints tend to crack and split apart after a period of time and disuade people from using them. Have you encountered this any? Thanks for all your great videos!
I know the question was directed to Uncle Jessy but just as an FYI, I've strictly used Water Washable resin since I've started a few months ago and I've gone through 8L worth without a single miniature cracking - plenty of larger one that were hollowed as well. Can't speak for mechanical prints but resin isn't great for that use. I try to dry them off before I cure them but I am not exactly very diligent about it.
I’m really happy I found your show.
I’ve been wanting to get a 3D printer
Was thinking of not going with resin dippers.
But, I think you prove me wrong and show me the light.
I watched the 99$ lite 3dp I am having a hard time finding it.
I think it’s so fun.
For a beginner on a budget what printer would you suggest? For resin and filament.
G'day Jess ol son,....i found this video to be a little flawed🤔. Like FDM printers and consumables, Resin printers run in Metric and like rolls of filament it is sold by the grams/Kilograms. So 1 x 500g or KG bottle gets so many prints in g/KG's and the same with waste/supports, then you take the full weight minus Waste to get your average per bottle in g/Kg🤓. I got lost when you just said a bottle of Resin without weight and then game us 2 arbitrary numbers in lb's. Other than that i liked the vid, and i dont mean to be picky but im only a month into ownership of my first SLA printer with a Nova3D Whale 2 4k 😎, its about the Saturn size. Cheers m8 for the yarn from Downunder🙃
Wait.. shouldnt he have printed the SAME set of minis for both printers to get a comparison.. i dont get what this proves.. apart from how many average sized minis u can print for the mars.. which is great for me cus ive just bought one.. but i dont get the large prints.. if anything.. it should have been SMALL PRINTS for BOTH.. LARGE PRINTS for both..
I suggest for all those printers out there stay away from Nova3d resin. I bought 4 of the 500g bottles and started to print 1 single model with it and I'm on the 3rd bottle now and still have two full plates to go.
I have had no failures with this model which uses 516g total for the model and have already went through 1200g just printing one model.
The resin is super watery with no consistency (thickness to it) their bottles are even smaller than creality 500g bottles and any cubic 500g bottles (which are the same size as each other).
And the bottles are only 3/4 filled up not including the cap area which is supposed to be empty.
I'm greatly disappointed in this resin and would not recommend Nova3d to anyone.
Ok, so assuming these were 1kg (2.2lbs) bottles, that means 97% of the resin poured into the Saturn came out as print or supports and only 3% was lost in cleanup. But on the Mars, 60% came out as prints or supports and 40% was either lost in clean up or is still in the tank...quite a difference!
yeah it's kinda odd.. a 13oz difference seems like way too much to be lost to cleanup..
I'm disliking this video because you don't convert weight measures to a system that is widely accepted internationally. It's annoying. Now I have to google shit that 98.5% of the world agrees is an idiotic weight and measuring system. It takes you 10 seconds to add it to your videos. It takes 98.5% of the world a total of hours to do it (192/195 countries in the world).
Did the math for anyone who was trying to figure out costs since he didn't even bother to try.
A 32 dollar bottle of 1000L resin is .03 cents per 1ml.
1ml = 1 gram (its actually a little bit more like 1000ml of resin = 1074g but the extra is somewhat negligible so i just might be off by only a few cents on my calculations)
the minis weigh 386 grams so it costs 11.60 usd to print everything on the first tray (without the trays weight, thanks so much for adding the weight of the tray for some reason), so roughly 1 mini will cost .39 cents without supports. With the supports calculated in it costs about 17.85 usd and a single mini costs .50 cents, not bad at all!
What I dont understand is how he ended up with 3.3lbs of resin printing when a single 1000ml bottle should be about 2.4 pounds?
EDIT: He used two bottles that makes more sense but he should have had around 4.8 pounds of material I guess the wash and cure process?
Is it possible to re-melt support pieces into useable resin?? That would be cool!!
It is not, unfortunately. Polymerization of resin completely changes the chemical structure of the material.
I don't understand why americans keep refusing to use the metric system, even the UK uses it and it just makes sense, I mean, what is 10% of a kilogram? 100 grams, what is the 10% of a Lb? No one knows.
so elegoo is not pronounced like element? ellgoo😂
Welcome to the Uncle Jessy can’t ever say or spell anything right show. Hell, I even messed up the spelling of Jesse 🤣😂
@@UncleJessy it’s ok. We still love you!
Very nice wrapup,
i've missed the bottle weight before and after
ps: please use the metric system too.
Does the Water Washable 3D Printer Rapid Resin LCD UV-Curing needs a curing station? Any help or advice? Thanks guys
Wow the comparison as the main part of the video was just a useless clusterfuck of numbers and characters. How much can you print with 1 bottle of resin? I had no clue before the video and still not after I watched it.
Elegoo needs to produce replacement lcd screens if they want my business. Also an lcd screen that doesn't scratch when you wipe it with a papertowel
@@BloopTube maybe they do now. I don't really care as I will never be an elegoo customer ever again.
Thats an absurd amount of wasted resine supports, in a PLA printing things without supports and be able to manage the infill percentage you get more money worth from PLA in big things.
Wtf is with the imperial units. I’m now exactly none the wiser
In your opinion without being bias lol what 3D printer would be good for a noob? A filament (idk if that is the correct term) 3D printer or a resin 3D printer like yours?
What do people use these printers for though, how many table top game pieces, comic book busts and StarWars items does a person need for their home. Once the novelty has worn off people need to use these for practical tasks to justify the cost.
print a random amount of solid cubes @ 2x2x2 and see how many you get and that will give you a more accurate amount... ie 20 cubes per bottle
Hi Uncle Jessy I just got my Mars 2 pro. I would like to know what are your printer settings if I can know?
I literally just got a resin printer yesterday. What does he mean by ruining his screen by printing the skulls?
Question, if I ever become an Eastman patron, will I have access to previous releases or is it just for succeeding months?
Has I've only just got a printer this week this video has really give me ideas thanks
Glad it helped
Good video, but add metric weights and lose the extraneous details about tray weights as they add nothing but confusion.
Oh god, the video is really good until you put those numbers in units that i couldn't understand :' please write the metrics too
Very useful stuff. Especially if you're trying to make a living with 3D printing.
I don’t have a washing and curing station but whenever I use that grey it has a white film on top. It appears when I leave it in the sun
More of a commercial for various mini reseller's than an answer on how much can be printed with a set amount of resin.
Nice Video but please use the metric system! Or at least give information in Grams...
The minis only ended up with you having 1.31 lb of material, whereas the larger props ended up with 2.075 lb of material.
It definitely seems like there's an absurd amount of resin being lost somewhere in the first case.
cleaning
@@masterolof138 Losing 40% of your starting material to resin stuck to the surface of the finished part is a fuckload.
@@seigeengine yep but thats just my guess of where the resin was lost
Who in the world uses lb and oz, omg. There is an international measurement system for a reason.
Hello bro..want to ask...this printer can use 4k resin..?
Constantly wondering how much was in this "1 bottle of resin" during the whole video and also the imperial system is jibberish to the rest of the world just saying.... With that said, you make great great videos dude!
There is not straight answer to this. It depends on how hollow you make your parts and how thin you make the walls and how many hole you make to drain the resin that might still be in your model.
ABS-like Resin. Lightning Deals on Amazon tomorrow.
I used elegoo washable resin once and after printing there was these weird chucks of half cured resin floating around in the vat. I've used a few different washable resin and never had this before or since. Has anyone else had this happen?
ouch thats way to close to the same weight lost as used in successful prints! well guess I am staying with Filament at least I can save my scrap to make new filament, waste is much less!!
Thanks for the video...Where did You get the T-shirt? I would love to get My hands on one.
1 bottle 1 litter ? or 500ml ?
1 liter
Confirms my suspicion:
most people are very over optimistic when estimating their cost per mini.
I commonly see 25-50 cents per warhammer/25mm mini.
But if 1kg costs say $30 and prints 30minis, $30/30minis = $1/mini
That's ignoring other costs like cleaning supplies and fep etc.
Having watched a bunch of drop and damage comparisons for minis, I'm looking at Siraya tech resins, because even their fast resins are stronger than most resins on the market, and their tenacious mixed into another resin makes minis that are throw-it-in-the-box, knock-it-off-the-table, and "travel safe"
The resin I'm looking at is a 80/20mix of siraya tech fast/tenacious.
If you look at the cost averaged out over time, rather than the 1st time purchase: (0.8kg x $37/kg + 0.2kg x $65/kg)/(0.8kg + 0.2kg)= $43.40/1kg
or ~ $1.45/mini
Obviously the scale/size, thickness, hollow or not, support-less or not, etc all make a big difference in how much resin is used, but I'm still thinking it's double to triple most estimates i see.
Can anyone recommend a good resin under $30/1kg with comparable detail and toughness to Siraya tech fast?
aka would survive repeated falling off the table tests and still print high detail?
I'm definitely open to looking at cheaper options for terrain and such.
Vroom settings are really bad for your lcd screen because the long exposure times will cause burn spots/damage way faster and your screen wont last. Also, i can print around 12 +bases 75mm models for every 500ml of water washable resin. I did some terrain and got 10 pieces of a castle for 1l of resin. So it depends on if you are doing big or small minis and base for them all or terrain, or hollowing them out. I only hollow big models because its too much of a pain to get the resin out and cure properly on the 32mm ones.
You can call it who you want but I will always see Ricardo Montalban.
My machine only prints the first few layers and they're on the fep. I've tinkered around with curing times and upped them to 8 seconds and 60 seconds bottom time, and same result. Extremely sad. I even level after each heartbreaking 2 dimensional print. Any help 😔
One thing that I can't figure is, how to print a big piece using the smaller printer. I mean, yes, it will be chopped in pieces, but does it work? Or I really need the big printer even if I'm printing a big piece sporadically? Feel like a waste to get Saturn to print a few small pieces most of the time : /
Hi can you sher your print setting, time, and the rest. Thanks
this is such a tease! I want one, BAD. Sold out and no idea when back in stock. I'm going to wait though, this one seems by far the best of the 4k mono options.
Honestly, it's more complicated than that though. I wanted the Saturn at first but then I saw the ridiculous pixel density results of the Sonic Mini 4K and switched to that. Nothing sub $2k can compete with the detail if you're willing to give up some build space.
Hey dude, you seem to have a lot of expertise printing resin figures. As of now, I'm stuck with a project that I don't want it to fail in the long term, I had a bad experience with a figure that melted and found how others have gone through the same and even worse, figures that crack and even explode. Some say this is all because of bad curing of the resin inside the hollow area, but my question is, can printing fully solid avoid this issue? And if you let me I would like to ask, can curing only by using sunlight be as tough as curing using UV light?
I'm still using filament until I see that resin is the better deal
Hello Jessy could you help me with something what is the difference between the mars 2 pro and the mars 2 mono I'm unsure apart from the price difference