Knowing when to quit

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  • Опубликовано: 5 ноя 2024

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  • @KSwanson-r7g
    @KSwanson-r7g 2 месяца назад +19

    This is reminiscent of the people who sit at a desk all week and then exercise for 6 hours on Saturday in order to meet exercise guidelines. It don’t work like that folks.

  • @joshuareuss2472
    @joshuareuss2472 2 месяца назад +19

    When your eyes can’t track anymore, you’re done for the day.

  • @lordhellfire153
    @lordhellfire153 2 месяца назад +19

    I can't imagine doing anything more than plinking for 2 hours. 6 hours is just burning time to burn time.

    • @69Clay420
      @69Clay420 2 месяца назад +3

      Fr though man. I shoot about 80-100 rounds a week, shooting 1 day a week for about that long. All the normal people I know think I’m crazy for shooting that much and all the hardcore shooters are shooting literally 5-10x as much as I am😂

  • @milspecmike8440
    @milspecmike8440 2 месяца назад +12

    I can’t focus enough to be on the range more than a couple hours outside of a match which may last 6+ hours, but is a lot of standing around and resetting targets. I’m definitely feeling beat to hell being in the sun that long.

    • @PhatTactical
      @PhatTactical 2 месяца назад

      finally felt that myself in our TExas Heat....6 stage match and by stage 5, the squad was on fumes....

  • @armorers_wrench
    @armorers_wrench 2 месяца назад +9

    6 hours is actually pretty crazy. 500 rounds a session(for pistol) is on the upper end for me but thats about 90-120minutes of actual shooting(not counting target setup/take down). The only reason I slow down at all during that 90-120mins is because the gun gets physically too hot to touch. Especially my suppressed rifle holy shit that thing gets hot.
    Edit: One other thing--if I start getting bored, I always leave. I don't really get bored shooting but every now and then I just decide to save the ammo and packup.

  • @jimbodrums12
    @jimbodrums12 2 месяца назад +3

    Jeez…that’s great insight into how we can get tired at a match. I never really considered all the low level energy burning that occurs. We all stand, pace, walk around, help score…then shoot a stage with “not so fresh legs and mind.” Damn..thanks Ben for this. Also…I remember a looong time ago…you mentioned your mental presence at matches…not just hanging with others the whole time…not engaging in mindless banter…all this makes sense. So…do our training session sometimes look the same? Interesting concepts indeed. Thanks Ben!

  • @LiorIPSC
    @LiorIPSC 2 месяца назад +4

    A few years ago I had a training day with Eric Grauffel. It was intense, and our notebooks as well as our guns were working hard. Couldn't imagine doing that every day!

  • @SilasWeber-oi2gb
    @SilasWeber-oi2gb 2 месяца назад +14

    I preload mags while I watch tv or listen to lecture so I usually get through around 150-200 rounds in 30/45 minutes. Making my training time more efficient is a big priority

    • @paddypibblet846
      @paddypibblet846 2 месяца назад +3

      You still took the same amount of time to load them at home.

    • @Orlandoech1
      @Orlandoech1 2 месяца назад

      @@paddypibblet846 lol people are dumb

    • @craigm1954
      @craigm1954 2 месяца назад

      @@paddypibblet846 TV time is part of a continuous training session? I have no idea what that 30 to 45 minutes involves or means, but loading mags is apparently not considered training, probably rightfully.

    • @paddypibblet846
      @paddypibblet846 2 месяца назад

      @@craigm1954 let's say you have 3 hours of free time in your day. You use 30 minutes of those to load all your mags you're left with 2 hours and 30 minutes left. Whether you do it at the range or home it's still cuts into those 3 hours of your free time. I don't watch TV so I guess if you have a daily/weekly TV schedule that is a perfect time to load mags. Too bad I can't load them while hiking or running or sleeping, for me it definitely just eats my time without exception.

    • @craigm1954
      @craigm1954 2 месяца назад

      @@paddypibblet846 I agree there is a time component to just about everything. On the other hand, I truly have never known anyone whose every waking minute is accounted for.
      Another example for myself is hand priming in front of the TV, when I know the press is fully capable. I definitely load mags at home, for range time and some other shoots that I enjoy.
      I'd never try to sell my routines to someone else, but the situation struck me as a very reasonable way to do two things over the same time period. These speaking vids, as well as others that I enjoy, no doubt I have loaded magazines at the same time. Not a big deal.

  • @craigm1954
    @craigm1954 2 месяца назад

    Our family went through the high level sports thing for years, and the right coaching can make training while becoming fatigued, very productive. But, the coaches also reined in the specific "game day" training to an overall, seventy percent.
    But of course, that's not the topic. Hat's off to anyone who can self coach to a higher level, and thanks Ben for seeming to message that you might help with raising awareness, but probably aren't baking recipes for success.

  • @DefaultDadAZ
    @DefaultDadAZ 2 месяца назад

    I help volunteer for match setup and tear down for a monthly match and if I track my steps I'm out there for a 6-7 hour day and several miles of walking. Yeah it takes a lot out of you. But on a regular match I feel so fresh and also super appreciative of the others making the match happen.

  • @leftyo9589
    @leftyo9589 2 месяца назад +3

    training a little into fatigue is good to push your endurance, but once you get sloppy, and arent fully concentrating you are just training in bad habits. once you reach that point, you are wasting time, money, and actually going backwards.

  • @rkpagano
    @rkpagano 2 месяца назад

    I thought this was very helpful Ben thanks for the response to this particular question. I run between 2 to 300 rounds in 90 minutes. I think there’s a happy balance between shooting just to put rounds down range and actually focusing on particular drills you want to run for that session.

  • @russdennis7026
    @russdennis7026 2 месяца назад

    I train with what I got to work with(indoor range) two times a week for 90 mins. 300 rounds. I practice my hammers, bill drills, failure drills and stay off the x by moving laterally. They let me draw from the holster so that's awesome to work on my speed reloads. My point is you gotta make the best of what you have to work with. And time is money. I wish i could be the guy that has the keys to the USPSA range but I don't.

  • @flankman9385
    @flankman9385 2 месяца назад +1

    Extraneous information is my favorite. It doesn’t make me think the person giving the information is dumb at all.

    • @Slippindisc
      @Slippindisc 2 месяца назад

      It's like when people tell you their drinking/drug night story, or someone telling you a procedural narrative of their day.

    • @Excelnaught-f4b
      @Excelnaught-f4b 26 дней назад

      It’s a habit picked up from long years of people giving me advice that is totally tailored to themselves and has nothing to do with my situation.
      Ben is obviously more thoughtful than that but when you’re used to dealing with dumb instructors/authority figures…

  • @chasedooley6237
    @chasedooley6237 2 месяца назад +6

    I’ve taken all day, 8 hour classes before. It is exhausting, and I see myself get worse throughout the day. I think the benefit is in the instructor’s feedback and introduction to concepts, more so than the exercises and drills. Shorter, intense sessions make the most improvement. I’m not going to an 6 or 8 hour class thinking I’m gonna get that much better, rather I’m going to get some feedback on various drills and learn concepts/techniques that I can practice and learn best on my own/in a shorter, deliberate practice session
    Edit: to add, someone asked an instructor about the long classes, and they said their customers typically like them because they fit so much into one day; customers are usually those who work a lot throughout the week. We typically shoot 800-1000 rds, so not that intense really

  • @pacorojas8122
    @pacorojas8122 2 месяца назад

    It’s the gunpowder there’s actually a study on it. I forgot who did it but apparently it fatigues you really bad. I noticed it a lot worse when I shoot indoors vs outdoors

  • @low-caloriegaming5460
    @low-caloriegaming5460 2 месяца назад

    I have a day off midweek and head off to the range.
    The range I go to have canopies at the back of the 50m and 25m bays. It's common for me to just set up a hammock at the canopy and chill out and reflect when I see I'm getting fatigued or getting water after burning through 4 mags. if I get too hot and notice I'm gassed I pack up and head home. but it's not uncommon for me to spend 2-4hrs at the range between chilling out and locked into what I want to see my performance to be. weather plays a big role in how long I stay or my diet shooting 500rds-1k in a day.

  • @JC-gs3br
    @JC-gs3br 2 месяца назад +3

    When you load all or your mags at the range, paste every target each drill, take 3 poop breaks, eat lunch and talk with the boys, 6 hours ain't much

    • @noah.s95
      @noah.s95 2 месяца назад

      That sounds like a good Saturday every now and then vs a short purposeful training session haha

  • @Gypsyman40
    @Gypsyman40 2 месяца назад +1

    Trained for 6 hour not including 1 hour lunch and only shot 500 rounds total. The take home is that your training has to be intentional. I was shooting 40 cal and the next day I felt it for sure

  • @aguy3896
    @aguy3896 2 месяца назад

    I can understand if you can only get out to the range on rare occasions that you want to maximize the time there. But I get burned after a couple hours and 500rnds. Sometimes I will make a whole day out of it, bring a grill and hang out while shooting. But I wouldn't call that training. My real/consistent training is all dry fire at home. My limited live fire just helps with those skills that can't be done dry like recoil management.
    I recently picked up the Ace VR app with Staccato controller module for the Quest 3. Is it necessary for training? No. But it makes my dry fire practice a whole lot more fun and dynamic. I highly recommend it.

  • @thomaskingsbury6560
    @thomaskingsbury6560 Месяц назад

    1000 rounds of 45 acp is about 450 dollars. Before shipping and tax. Handloading is not that much cheaper.

  • @ArmaLife_Texas
    @ArmaLife_Texas 2 месяца назад

    I’m just thinking about the cost of such a range trip. Wow. $300-400 just like that in a day, and not in a class or some special event.
    I think people directly equate the volume to improvement; and also, there’s some weird “social” pressure that dictates that we have to burn a bunch of ammo every time we hit the line to be “serious”.

  • @miloboynton8121
    @miloboynton8121 2 месяца назад

    Any plans to run a Utah class in later 2025? Otherwise see you in Erie CO! Love the content Ben, keep it up!!

  • @SRARaiders
    @SRARaiders 2 месяца назад +1

    Talking about match day fatigue, how do you get yourself concentrated if you’re among the last ones to shoot in a squad?
    I often feel sluggish and can’t concentrate, especially during the last stages of the day i feel like I’m more on board than in control mentally.

    • @jimbodrums12
      @jimbodrums12 2 месяца назад +1

      Yes…this is aligned with my comment higher up. I am more interested in a discussion on keeping ourselves mentally and physically ready during a match. The fatigue sneaks up slowly and may only manifest itself via a poor stage score. Thus the value of competition continues…managing one’s own stress response and mental pacing.

  • @coach-
    @coach- 2 месяца назад

    c4 are the only energy drinks i like because of the lack of sugar and awesome flavors.
    i have been training a lot lately(3+ hours a day), but only because i just lost my job and don't really have anything else to do. can only send out so many resumes and the waiting game is strong in this market.

  • @Olivehollow
    @Olivehollow 2 месяца назад +4

    6 hrs??? Damn. How is it taking that long to shoot that many rounds? Can shoot 300-500 rounds in an hour easily. Guess it depends how many mags were preloaded before hitting the range.

  • @robertbuchanan562
    @robertbuchanan562 2 месяца назад +1

    Doesn't sound like much training is really getting done. If your shooting 1000 rounds in 6 hours by yourself that's around 165-170/hour about 7-8 magazines if your mag holds 22 rounds.

  • @BA-oy9uo
    @BA-oy9uo 2 месяца назад +33

    the type of person to tell you he's "upper middle class". 6 HOURS?? lol

  • @david_62708
    @david_62708 2 месяца назад

    I'm unclear. How fast should you shoot through 1000 rounds? 6 hours is averaging 167 rounds an hour. I feel like that's not way off when you factor in time packing mags and moving targets around, pasting holes, replacing targets, hopefully taking some 10-15 minute breaks here and there. I could see being a little faster than that, but probably not faster than 5 hours. I've never shot 1k in a single session anyway, so I don't know, but it doesn't seem crazy that it would take 5-6 hours.

  • @Quality_Guru
    @Quality_Guru 2 месяца назад +1

    I don’t think that my wallet has enough stamina to shoot 500 rounds in one day. It starts feeling woozy after 50 rounds.

  • @johnmh9264
    @johnmh9264 2 месяца назад +1

    I shoot once a week and 500 rds per session. It takes me a total of 2 hours to do -- this includes range setup and cleanup. If you have a plan, have plenty of magazines, and pre-load your magazines, you spend less time at the range doing admin tasks and more time shooting.

  • @WishonPGA
    @WishonPGA 2 месяца назад

    60 to 90 minutes for about 300 rounds is sufficient for myself (74 years old). Some folks anticipate that they'll have a medal pinned on them for exhausting themselves. 'A man's gotta know his limitations'

  • @tyrantworm7392
    @tyrantworm7392 2 месяца назад +1

    If we call it 50mags worth, I wonder if the dude is also setting problems, working in with others etc?

  • @n4d3m4n
    @n4d3m4n 2 месяца назад +2

    Hey Ben! Jerry Miculek recently got a world record of hitting 6 target plates from 7 yards in 1.88 seconds with a 9mm pistol. Do you think you could take that on and steel his record? (Pun intended) There's a 'documentary' about it on S&Ws channel.

    • @jimbodrums12
      @jimbodrums12 2 месяца назад +1

      Ben HATES plate racks…lol.

    • @n4d3m4n
      @n4d3m4n 2 месяца назад

      @@jimbodrums12 lol fair point

  • @xtreamar1550
    @xtreamar1550 2 месяца назад

    That was my comment and for the people who are assuming it takes six hours to fire 500 to 1000 rounds let me explain I work many hours and I have a family. I’m not always able to get to the range on my one day off a week so when I go, it’s partly Shooting, but also partly wanting to stay out of my house and away from my wife and kids so I make a day of it. I pack lunch I also will record some videos. I might scroll through the videos post them on social media stuff like that so it’s not six straight hours of shooting. It’s just the amount of time. I’m there usually meet a couple guys there. And you know when you’re at the range with a bunch of guys you’re not shooting as much because everybody’s kind of taking turns depending on where you’re shooting then I usually stay a few more hours after they leave and my club allows shooting outside till sundown or else I’d stay out of the house longer. I’m not pushing the limits for 6 hours straight And i shouldn’t have said my shooting goes to shit it’s more like my times clearing all the steel plates are faster at the beginning then at the end because I’m chasing the faster times I was having earlier in the day

    • @XtremeAdventures671
      @XtremeAdventures671 2 месяца назад +2

      I think you should of been more clear from the beginning. Sounds like the 6 hours is more like a have fun range day with the boys. Even at that, you should focus & train hard the first 60-90 minutes. The rest of the day can be just a chill range day to unwind.

    • @prodby.jerm1
      @prodby.jerm1 2 месяца назад

      You lost me at “wanting to stay away from my wife and kids” Like now it seems that you’re not training, it’s just lolly gagging to avoid being with your family. Which is crazy itself, but hey, it’s your regret to live with. 6 hours of a quarter training and 3/4 bullshitting is probably why you’re not seeing the results you want. But that’s just my opinion

  • @BitterExtraSpecial
    @BitterExtraSpecial 2 месяца назад

    I usually spend the whole match day on my feet, it's stupid. I need to address that.

  • @nathanjames7030
    @nathanjames7030 2 месяца назад

    This was the biggest mistake in my first year of competition.

  • @shiftd_1114
    @shiftd_1114 2 месяца назад

    I find two hours and between 350-500 rounds to be perfect

  • @xtreamar1550
    @xtreamar1550 2 месяца назад +1

    And my reasoning for mentioning the 2011s is because I feel like when you fire those firearms it’s a more enjoyable experience than a I know Ben is probably gonna say it doesn’t matter to him but he’s also a different level of shooter (and he can deny it all he wants I’m sure he enjoys, shooting the staccato more than the Glocks )but to the average person when it’s a more enjoyable experience, you wanna keep doing it I’ve seen many many many people make the transition to 2011 and say this gun is just so fun to shoot. I just can’t stop shooting it so this is actually pretty common and the 2011 transfer world

  • @simonizedpb
    @simonizedpb 2 месяца назад

    Do you try to take every video you make in a different room?

  • @BullseyeBallistics-kf1jw
    @BullseyeBallistics-kf1jw 2 месяца назад

    My range days are always 2-3 hrs. I bet that dude sucks at shooting. Its always the guys who think they can buy performance. Also, a C4 Ben? Are you getting ready to carry a crate of Rem Oil?

  • @elfucho
    @elfucho 2 месяца назад

    So we shouldn't train with Sig Sauers? Gotcha 😅

  • @mattbrown5949
    @mattbrown5949 2 месяца назад +1

    What’s your girlfriend think about 6 hours on the range? 😂

  • @glefos3917
    @glefos3917 2 месяца назад +1

    1000rds over 6hrs sounds like a low intensity session. Probably not very focused.

  • @madisonberg627
    @madisonberg627 2 месяца назад +7

    Having a 6HR range day is CRAZY. Does homie not have a wife and kids to cherish?

    • @felixdewinter3484
      @felixdewinter3484 2 месяца назад +4

      I don’t think he does….

    • @ProjectD13X
      @ProjectD13X 2 месяца назад +5

      I don't have a wife or kids and I don't even do training sessions that long lol

    • @oldirtyshinobi420
      @oldirtyshinobi420 2 месяца назад

      No, I don’t. 6 hrs isn’t that long y’all are old and Ben’s fat.

    • @brianjarrell9203
      @brianjarrell9203 Месяц назад

      😂

  • @rolotomase1440
    @rolotomase1440 2 месяца назад +7

    Paul Harrell has died. That's all we should be talking about today. RIP Paul.

    • @jinks6410
      @jinks6410 2 месяца назад +1

      Why

    • @rolotomase1440
      @rolotomase1440 2 месяца назад +3

      @@jinks6410 He had Pancreatic Cancer.

    • @jinks6410
      @jinks6410 2 месяца назад

      @@rolotomase1440 Okay. That's sad. Let's be honest most of us didn't know who he was until the mainstream guntubers covered it. He had practically no subs until then. Sucks that he's gone but the channel wasn't that good.

    • @iCookCrystalMeth
      @iCookCrystalMeth 2 месяца назад

      @@jinks6410lmao

  • @manabellum
    @manabellum 2 месяца назад

    I envy people who can spend more than 100 rounds a month, let alone thousands. Two 9mm round can buy me 1 full meal. One bill drill cost as much as a day worth of living here.

    • @dominiquesydne3146
      @dominiquesydne3146 Месяц назад

      24 cents can buy you a meal?

    • @manabellum
      @manabellum Месяц назад

      @@dominiquesydne3146 In my country it is equivalent of about 80 cents per round. And yes you can use USD4.8 to buy a meal here.

  • @xtreamar1550
    @xtreamar1550 2 месяца назад

    And for my third comment. Yes you can say I’m a very defensive person. Thank you Ben but anyway I grew up playing sports and did a little amateur boxing and for people that think six hours is a long time they never trained for a fight. I also work a very physical job so pushing my body to the limit is nothing new to me. Most people sit on the couch and play video gamesfor six hours and won’t blink and I am the type of person that’s gotta be on the move so range for six hours compared to the job I work every day and what I used to do when I was younger is like a vacation however the time might be affecting my performance, but it doesn’t bother me enough to stop

  • @Kh2456
    @Kh2456 2 месяца назад

    1000 rounds over the course of 6 hours is 170ish rounds an hour. What the hell are you doing in the downtime?

    • @prodby.jerm1
      @prodby.jerm1 2 месяца назад

      He commented I here. He said he spends 6 hour out of the house to be away from his wife and kids(red flag) and that he spends a lot of time dicking around either on his phone or shooting the shit

  • @ericscott6427
    @ericscott6427 2 месяца назад

    I can’t burn 1000 in 2hours or less 😂

  • @StewieStew820
    @StewieStew820 2 месяца назад +3

    6 hours? The Staccato must have turned this guy into Eric Grauffel or something 😅.

  • @Bryan-1980
    @Bryan-1980 2 месяца назад

    🤣 6 hours to shoot a thousand rounds??? I’d tell that guy to trade in his denim shorts, penny loafers, and his 1984 corvette and buy some more magazines 😂 it sounds like he’s got one mag and only loads 6 rounds in it for a bill drill and walks back and forth to change paper every single time 🤦🏻‍♂️🤷🏻‍♂️

  • @xtreamar1550
    @xtreamar1550 2 месяца назад

    Actually, more importantly, I probably should’ve mentioned I live in a state with a 10 round limit so therefore one mag for me is only 10 rounds. It’s also gonna take longer to shoot that many rounds when you’re shooting them 10 at a time and reloading magazines more often.

    • @XtremeAdventures671
      @XtremeAdventures671 2 месяца назад +1

      How many mags you have? Buy more magazines, have them preloaded…less down time.

  • @johnbyrne1022
    @johnbyrne1022 2 месяца назад +1

    You'll train for Sig Sauers until Sig Sauers tells you to stop

  • @bdmngs5884
    @bdmngs5884 2 месяца назад +1

    I think "6hrs" implies you aren't challenging yourself in your training.

  • @ZizinRacing
    @ZizinRacing 2 месяца назад

    At least at matches you're just hanging out bullshitting with the boys most of the time

  • @roflchopter11
    @roflchopter11 2 месяца назад

    So this guy probably lives far away from the range and so wants to make every session worth it. He can't go every day or even more than once a month.

  • @danielweissenborn3508
    @danielweissenborn3508 Месяц назад

    Sounds like Bro wants to flaunt the gear not get better. Sorry bruh.

  • @Mike_219
    @Mike_219 2 месяца назад

    It's weird that people have to ask these questions