1:23:00 still turned in. I started watching on the TV, then continued in the car, now I'm back home and walking the dog playing the audio in my earpiece. That's what traditional media can't provide.
This lady is an intellectual powerhouse, knocking the ball out of the park every statement she makes. I like people like her who back what they say with studies and reasonable arguments.
The municipality in which I live has hired a "diversity coordinator, whom it pays $150K annually. The county in which I live did the same. No one can figure out what either has accomplished, aside from attending many conference calls and posting on Facebook.
I've been 'cleaning house' by cutting out any social media that doesn't feed my brain anything but positive input. I'm a sucker for Heather M. so I'll give this channel a try for now. I love what she does and I hope many others are learning from her:)
The downside of an online university is the lack of discourse between students. It would be a great way of doing away with group dissent and destroying debate and peer discourse.
When I talk about poverty, I usually refer to Theodore Dalrymple's book "Life At The Bottom". This book points to inter generational poverty in Britain. One in six households has no-one in the home who works. Dalrymple blames the enablers who ignore personal responsibility. I make this reference to show that poverty is not peculiar to any race. Another reference I make is to Chief Louie of the Osoyos Indian Band in Canada: Louie tells Indians that the way out of poverty is to get a job.
Obstinate stupidity is not necessarily "heresy" - you will find NO ONE in the biological sciences who argues that genetic diversity weakens a given population, yet one can find any number of social "scientists" who attempt to make a case that diversity weakens society. I'm old enough to remember when the concept of America's "melting pot" was held high as something to be admired and emulated - that started to go away as soon as previously frozen-out segments of society began to gain real access to an approximation of equal protection under the law; that is to say - when our founders' stated ideals were given the force of law. Now the dominant segments of our society are wailing that they have become victims and are actually persecuted. Puh-leeeese...
+goku - What is "obvious" to you is obvious stupidity to others - linguistic diversity is the norm in much of the world, and an individual's ability to speak more than one language is known to empower one, NOT weaken him as an individual or society as a whole.
@@tablaturebutler2823 Equivocation fallacy. Genetic diversity ≠ cultural diversity (or linguistic diversity for that matter). Societies might be able to "improve" their DNA while their economies and social lives flounder. Also, it's not at all known what percentage of admixture, if any, is beneficial. Conversely however it is quite clear that negative effects _only_ occur in extremely secluded and highly stratified groups of animals, or through inbreeding. _"linguistic diversity is the norm in much of the world"_ That is partially correct. If you look at the total population of countries, they may indeed differ from all the way to the north-east to all the way to the south-west, not so much on a village by village basis. A country where 50 different languages are spoken don't necessarily have inhabitants that speak even more than 1 or 2 as people tend to prefer to live with their peers. Also, linguistic homogeneity has been norm in human existence from when we lived in small tribes till up to, well, maybe 50 years ago. Regardless, both arguments are fallacious: appeal to nature fallacy & appeal to majority fallacy.
@@tablaturebutler2823 I like how you tout reason where your replies are without it. And while you know nothing about me, you assume a lot, which speaks volumes of your intelligence, since I barely staked out a position, but merely corrected your falsehoods and illogical reasoning.
We fail to remember, “Birds of a Feather Flock Together” and have since our evolution. Why we keep expecting immediate change in this regard baffles me. We think more of ourselves and our sense making abilities then we should.
MacDonald is an Intellectual heavy weight in the same sphere as Sam Harris and Jordan Peterson...Love this incredible woman and her brilliant perspectives.
1:33:35 she´s brilliant in many aspects, but there´s a her giant gaping blind spot and lapse in logic and analysis. has she never heard of working poor? wasn´t she earlier praising the person cleaning the subway, as having the most important job, that society would collapse without? yet seemingly not important enough to pay him/her a living wage? no it´s not just about behavioural choices, even if 100% of the population were phds, that job ist still a very important job, that has to be done by somebody and that somebody needs to be paid adequately, when in reality that cleaning person, probably has another "very important" job on the side just to pay his/her rent. "just get a better job" just aint gonna cut it, when these really important jobs, that society would collapse without, aren´t paying a living wage. somebody has to do those jobs, and those somebodies don´t deserve to be poor or to be blamed themselves, for just having chosen the "wrong" i.e. badly paid job, when those very same jobs, like cleaners, nurses, teachers etc. are absolutely essential and get paid next to nothing, while on the other hand, as she herself said, bankers, whom we could easily do without, are paid out the ass.
What is with the negative comments about Michael Shermer? Seriously, I don't see it. He seems okay to me. Will someone who has a problem or I mean someone who dislikes or disagrees with Shermer please tell me what am I missing here?
He's not too bad; just a bit of a weasel. Listen from the very beginning, or from 30:00, etc. "We do have white privilege..." he says at one point. Everyone else has the privilege, however; not whites. Etc. Keep your eyes and ears open and take notes. You'll see reasons for negative comments. But, as I say, he's not too bad. At least he lets her talk without interrupting her.
@@musket-hc1fc we do have white privilege, as many bosses will hire people based on skin color without realizing it due to subconcious insular cortex responses, and most bosses are still white in this country.
He calls her out with her bullshit!!! @ 2:30, 9:56, 17:46 and on and on. He calls out the human brain 29:07 as flawed because the brain has evolved to put people in categories and label them as friend or foe. He's the smart one and she can't run the bullshit over him.
lol, Yes, so...... a 'Righty' and a 'Libertarian' do not agree 100%... That is what makes both of them very special -- they can still communicate and share ideas and thought and consider them without anger and ferocity, where many of the lefty lunatics are fanatical that the entire world embrace their philosophies and if not, they get hysterical and manic. You, are brilliant. You need to listen more, rather than jump on the bandwagon when you hear something you wish to hear. Both of these people actually use numbers from actual studies performed by qualified personnel, you might actually learn something. Remember, you cannot listen while you are talking (or preparing your 'retort').
I always enjoy your interviews and Heather's points are well taken, however it glosses over the fact that being born with a silver spoon in your mouth also allows you a lot of privilege's in this society. Take for instance the admission process to elite universities. The key revelation of the Varsity Blues Scandal was not that rich parents pulled all the stops to get their kids into the best universities, but the large number of spots that are reserved for "legacy" students. This has been reported to be as high as 40% at some major universities. So at least for admissions to elite universities we know that this has always been anything but a pure merit based system. Who mom and dad are are key, while there is no doubt that George Bush senior was Yale material, it's a stretch to believe that George Bush Jr was, and to add insult to injury he was later admitted to Harvard Business School.
Duh,In a diverse setting that promotes equality,quotas will be necessary regardless of inconsistencies.Some hypocritical hurdles are necessary to overcome in order to bridge cultural differences and build better relationships and understanding.No one likes entitlements in a merit based system.That is probably the most critical observation about diversity.
about the starting line, how about european serfdom? with some told to leave rather than facing the same fate just as easily..how does that work and who was the real victim?
I don' tknow why this woman is so excoriated and objected to. She's very strident - not always right - but biologically she's pretty accurate. D.A., B.A. (psych), J.D., liberal NYC
Firstly I want to admit, Heather is a beautiful human being and woman. I'm very impressed by her stringency and courage in thinking and talking, and she does this always with an opening smile, found a pearl with her. Thank you! The lefts recipes and following downward spirals Good lefties teach how to fish, don't give fish, or teach how to carry responsibility, or don't blame the system for everything as they eagerly do, or they would ask, and what's your share of the hole you're in, and they would not seduce people to be dependents, would not pamper the submissive, would observe with argus eyes, what a destructive power pampering can be and stops it immediately when detected, but the left is not interested in the outcome of their toxic and disastrous medicine all over the world, they rather celebrate hypocritically by posing the good person, ignoring the fatal effects their Non-Help too often has. Brutal, but true, when help is digging the hole deeper and deeper. With racism the same, the problem is not blackness, it is mentality and mindset, poisoning black communities and hindering them getting out of the holes, the sneaky and pampering attitudes of the left has led them into. Taking the seemingly easier path by drinking this rotten gift of victim hood, was a tragedy for african americans whose disastrous effects we see now all around, hence, playing the victim card and blaming history, slavery etc, and not going a self responsible way, by fighting as individual, who ever is or might be to blame. This is not, to let the perpetrators off the hook, it is to free yourself from being hooked. Jews could be the best role models for all declared or real victims, hence, they were victims and skip goats since thousands of years, but now they are the most successful minority on earth, winning 200 nobel prizes, out of 800, only because they were not fostering their victim hood, but went the harder and much more dignifying way to top their suppressors in all fields, with only 15mio people. Mentality is all! I'm a non-jew and not envious, like anti semites usually are, covering this ugly motive with shallow excuses, but I'm impressed by their mentality, not giving up and rejecting the poisonous victim narrative, hence It only seems to be an easy way to play the victim card, but it is rotting you out from within.
To make people hyper aware of race, colour and sex goes against the view that we are human first, the rest are just coincedentals. If you go through your life only seeing "people" and evaluating how you deal with them as individuals then you are showing equality. Equality shouldn't involve artificially manipulating a situation to achieve an outcome.
Brilliant discussion as always. But Heather, I have one disagreement (and I'll add one thing to supplement all my agreements.) The disagreement. I felt that at some point in this discussion there was a little bit too much moralizing about hookup culture and the role men play in it, in particular. There are no buyers if there are no sellers, so to speak. I do not believe that the majority of young women who participate in this "sport" do so because they are in some deep thrall, or that they have somehow en mass, become "Svengali'd" by the male of the species. That being said, a young man who is falsely accused is indeed, a victim, and until we grow up a little, as a society, that will always breed its very own special brand of mischief, with all due consequences. Revenge-based ideology often tends to end in fights not at all imagined (and often not petitioned) by its practitioners. On to my agreement. Yes of course - dismissing dead white men simply because they're white men is a ridiculous and stupid attitude out of hand. I'll only offer up one rather moderate example, but a good book that I still consider an American classic. The Jungle, by Upton Sinclair. This book had a profound effect upon the administration in Washington at the time of its publication. (Teddy Rooseveldt, I believe.) Good warriors for social justice everywhere should be profoundly moved by that book - else they are charlatans, humbugs, fakes and fools. On the other hand, why not add more to the pile? I'm all for it. Would love nothing better than to witness a robust and energetic explosion of creative expression from any and all OTHER than white men, dead or living, as the case may be. And if so very many more of everyone other than white men are gaining educations, and knowledge, and a great burgeoning heap of skills, abilities and intellectual attributes, then let's have it. I'm waiting.
The question is NOT: "How do "WE" get a more just and fair society?" No, the question is: how does "WE" know what a more just and fair society is? And then, the more important questions will be: WHO is "WE" and WHAT is "just"? To the "Affirmative Actions": Wherever, whenever someone gets pushed up by affirmative actions there HAS TO be someone else pulled down. Otherwise there won't be a need for any actions, isn't it? JUST THINK! Do you know what this is? DISCRIMINATION AGAINST MERIT! This has got nothing to do with race, sex or whatever ... Affirmative Actions are disregarding reality and are therefore an Ideology. As always in ideology-blended societies - see: Marxism/Socialism - ideological conviction will triumph above merit, leading to social and economical collapse. And there is nothing one can do. NOTHING! Do you know why? Because every system, every "LEADER" needs to rely on people ... Good people do not need Ideology and so it will end up with IDIOTS, OPPORTUNISTS and PSYCHOPATHS running the "show" ... Driven by STUPIDITY, GREED and INFERIORITY! This is NATURE! HUMAN NATURE! Anyway, the interviewer denies the "elitism"? Wrong, here it is, and it is everywhere: "WE"! Now, sorry for this ;-) but: WHO THE FUCK IS "WE"? Take the arrogance, the ignorance and the penetrante inherent to this "WE". Does it make YOU feel better about yourself when talking in "WE"? Does it elevate YOU? WHO chooses YOU to talk for ME? Or should I feel pressured to belong to "WE"? Because otherwise I won't belong to the "good ones" or to the "right cause"? Anyway, I think he conducted a good and fair interview and I agree with her position on the topic.
I have heard some official Authentic Black Male Voices on YT talking about the cultural, political, and economic differences between having a neutral or slightly-Black name like "Damon" or being raised by idiotic parents who gave you an entirely pseudo-African name with a weird spelling, and how THAT could be a potential flag for prospective employers. He hinted pretty strongly that professionals -- and even heavily black positions in Washington DC politics -- they DO want Blackness but have concerns about "excessive Blackness", for solid reasons. Like if a guy shows up in tech wearing hunting camo gear, he might be signalling a mis-match, even to people who are not opposed to hunting.
This guy didn't hear a word she said about the catastrophe of 73% unwed births among Blacks and aid to dependent mothers harming Black society. Her answer was the most brilliant I've ever heard, yet he goes on like she said nothing at all. And why does he always need to bore his listeners with his bragging being an atheist? Who cares? She's there to publicize and explain her book not to debate.
Cool to meet another secular conservative, I don't think there are many of us out there. And MacDonald is so sweet, if I am allowed to say that without being objectifying and sexist... But I guess she wouldn't care, since she hasn't bought into the victimhood cult, and thank the God who doesn't exist for women like her. She almost makes me believe in humanity again.
Sweden used to have the highest social spending in the world, but that's history now since they've crushed their budget by allowing for mass immigration of people who cannot find a job for years. 6% of the "refugees" who came in 2015 had a job in 2020, the rest, 94%, still lived on welfare.
Many individuals who follow politics and journalists think that the right-wing playbook began with the Koch brothers. However, in her groundbreaking book, Nancy MacLean traces their political strategy to a Southern economist who created the foundation for today’s libertarian oligarchy in the 1950s. Heather MacDonald works within this system to create her version of a narrative that influences public opinion in these directions. She works for a 'think tank', the Manhattan Institute*, that is partially funded by the Koch Foundation. She wrote an article in 2008 entitled, Is the Criminal-Justice System Racist?, with this same BS as this video. Constantly repeat the propaganda which you know isn't true. Get as many people as possible to repeat what you know isn't true. The lie perpetuates itself, while the truth is constantly chasing behind it. I added comments to correct her. She deleted my comments. I continued to replace my comments repeatedly, until they were left alone. It's such a shame that those Yale, Oxford, Stanford academic credentials couldn't have been put to better use, rather than to rehash debunked material, just because it pays her bills. truthout.org/articles/misinforming-the-majority-a-deliberate-strategy-of-right-wing-libertarians/
"If men are guilty, if not rape--the vast majority do not rape-- they are certainly acting as boorishly as possible." I couldn't have said it better myself!
Identity politics means: It can't be, what shouldn't be, claiming, there are no differences between people, no matter what sex, race, genders, ethnicity. All differences appear only due to socialization, they mean. No wonder fear these circles evolutionary studies, showing, there are vast differences in sex behavior, since the beginning of biology, no wonder they try to ignore natural preferences genders have choosing professions like in the most liberal scandinavian countries, where sexes still choose the typical professions. Postmodernism with its relativism was the way paver of this nonsense, having now strong advocates in media and in big companies through HR, the trojan horses, bringing this absurd poison mentality into companies, who are losing the courage to oppose this insanity, due to the social media mobsters, having now a powerful tool to orchestrate campaigns with few activists then appearing as masses. It will be disastrous for companies following these ideological tracks, not taking the best, but an equity mix, following the orders of these misguided missiles. In the same time excellence gets mobbed out or discouraged to reach mediocrity, where foremost the lowest levels will celebrate their mediocre stance, not being in the shadow of excellences, a postmodern dreamland were the mud is the level of all, all, eating the same mud. As it happened in communism all around, by decapitating the best and celebrating the lowest, due to an unfit marxist ideology, postulating a mentality only with saints would work, but not with us humans. But give it another disastrous try, after not having succeeded once on the whole planet. Identity politics are a leftish powergame and were not started by compassion as they claim with their fostered aura of moral superiority, otherwise they would not ignore the outcomes, the dropping out of unfit students or frustrated females in male fields, not because they were mobbed by the males, only cause it was not theirs. No, this ideologie was driven by the old leftish unvirtue envy, not getting to the top, due to undiscipline or not fitting, being then jealous of the disciplined doing everything to get up. An ugly mindset covered by fake compassion and paternalistic behavior. These ideologues tend to live in their dream castle, dreaming their romantic and unrealistic unify-the-world-narrative as an equalized paradise fantasy, making saints out of humans, we are not.
I just have a question why does the author in her book group white and Asians together as a group and then group black and hispanics together as a group and use those test scores against each other‘s .when we all know that the white scores are way less than the Asian scores..are you just using the Asian scores to bring up bring up the white scores by grouping them together is that the only way to validate your point
I like Heather Mc. Donald for her profound and very logical analysis. Michael Shermer is simply an ignorant intellectual. I have heard him in many debates about the existence of God and because he is an atheist he has failed good and logical arguments against God. Instead he have tried to put others down.
@Kali Southpaw you knew my parents? WOW!!! I wish I knew them. NO, my knowledge about the existence of God it comes from reading and applying to my self the wisdom of the Vedas. But how can I explain the philosophical depth of the Veda to someone who has already decided that there is not a reality beyond this illusory material world? Impossible!!!! So my dear friend just wait till you are in your sixties and then we can continue this discussion. It seems to me you are a little young to discuss very exalted topic like philosophy, spiritual knowledge, the limitations of matter, etc......Take care of yourself and of your intellect.....don't let superficial Shermer shoved down your throat his aberrations-speculations-mental dysfunctionalities, etc....
@Kali Southpaw I just realized you carry a very disturbing name--KALI. Do you know its meaning? Go and search Kali-yuga. You'll be surprised how revealing it will be of your personality.
@@bettinabarr9107 yes I knew. And that's right by me. Anyone has the right to believe what he wants. The difference between Shermer and McDonald is that he is an activist atheist and a dysfunctional intellectual, she is simply an honest intellectual and she is an honest conservative who has understood what the left radical are doing to our Country. She is also not a communist, and that's to me is huge in judging her as one of the few intellectual woman sane left in America. Take care .
Anthropology showed long ago that there is no such thing as a pure race; this has been confirmed by genomics. We are essentially the same, and differ mostly by the time we migrated from Africa. None the less we are required to check one or more boxes e.g. caucasian, hispanic...but not Jewish or Celtic etc. Perhaps if we in the university taught how we are the same...
32:10 Typical decades-old conservative arguments being rehashed. Most people aren't claiming that it's an accomplishment to be born gay. Rather, it's an accomplishment to overcome the hardships thrown at you by society/your family/etc for being gay. Same idea for race, gender, fill in the blank... Can you spot the difference? And what an individual finds "interesting" is very personal. I don't think Heather gets to dictate that for others. I thought the purpose of education was to foment curiosity in everything around you, even if the study seems pointless on the surface. Also lol'ed a bit about the subway cleaner vs. banker. If the former is so important, and we live under an economic system that rewards hard work and its value provided to society, why isn't the cleaner getting paid six figures and the banker only minimum wage? Hmm, suspicious.
Sounds like you're playing the victim card like most people. "So because of my gender, race or sexual preference I deserve praise for the success I have." Well I got news for you every single human being on this planet have a sob story to tell but strong individuals don't need pity. As a matter of fact pity is an insult to them. Why isn't a cleaner getting paid the same as banker? Your real question is why is a task that takes zero intelligence to do , a task that is so routine that we now have the ability to build a robot to do it but yet you think these people should get paid the same as someone who does something that requires an higher IQ? Pretty flawed logic.
It's about market economics- there's an endless supply of ppl who can be a cleaner, much less who have the skill set and knowledge base to be a banker. Does that mean we have to value them as a society the same way?
really? You thought that was a deep question to ask why the cleaner and banker are on different pay-scales? Really? Supply & demand. That's it. You do realize bother Shermer and McDonald would demolish you in a discussion. You can't rationalize on your own why there's different wages for different jobs.
Annoyingly ignorance from Heather. Segregation does not help even if it is named "helping the target group". First challenge helps, reducing challenge does not help to better grades and achievements. Second, there is a huge difference of "named" higher education centres against the less famous one in matters of future wages and possibility to access work, even if objectively the persons from different school have no real difference in performance.
"Skeptic" lmao this is nothing but garbage political propaganda. Next get on jordan Peterson on why Christianity is true and Richard Spencer. Done with this channel. "America is inherently sexist and racist" "diversity is bad cuz I say so" (even though its shown to be a positive force for people with different perspectives) Such nonsensical straw mans and her entire ideology is identity politics. Her entire identity is "secular conservative" who spews utter nonsense any hardcore conservative will. I thought this was a science channel. Garbage
@@AntiCitizenX no actually its looking at claims about the world and evaluating them based on the evidence and her rhetoric is absolutely a giant straw man with politically charged garbage that has no merit at all
Do you understand the difference between "necessary" and "sufficient?" I specifically said "PART OF" seeking the truth---not "ALL OF" seeking the truth. If you're going to look at claims about the world, that should included claims beyond your ideological echo chamber. If they're wrong, then fine. Show how they're wrong. If they have merit, however, then it's worth looking into them and evaluating them accordingly.
1:23:00 still turned in.
I started watching on the TV, then continued in the car, now I'm back home and walking the dog playing the audio in my earpiece. That's what traditional media can't provide.
This lady is an intellectual powerhouse, knocking the ball out of the park every statement she makes. I like people like her who back what they say with studies and reasonable arguments.
She's unreasonable! She's calling "male math teachers idiot's"
And I love her toughness!
Heather McDonald is truly a National Treasury!
Thanks, Heather, for your bravery and wisdom!...
Excellent interview, thank you Heather Mac Donald
The municipality in which I live has hired a "diversity coordinator, whom it pays $150K annually. The county in which I live did the same. No one can figure out what either has accomplished, aside from attending many conference calls and posting on Facebook.
I've been 'cleaning house' by cutting out any social media that doesn't feed my brain anything but positive input. I'm a sucker for Heather M. so I'll give this channel a try for now. I love what she does and I hope many others are learning from her:)
Michael, I concur with your statement about "no commercial" talk shows. Kudos, Sherm!
the guy is an idiot
The downside of an online university is the lack of discourse between students. It would be a great way of doing away with group dissent and destroying debate and peer discourse.
We're still tuned in - great conversation
Heather is a rational voice against multiculturalism and post modernism.
When I talk about poverty, I usually refer to Theodore Dalrymple's book "Life At The Bottom". This book points to inter generational poverty in Britain. One in six households has no-one in the home who works. Dalrymple blames the enablers who ignore personal responsibility. I make this reference to show that poverty is not peculiar to any race. Another reference I make is to Chief Louie of the Osoyos Indian Band in Canada: Louie tells Indians that the way out of poverty is to get a job.
I still believe in Dr. King's judging people by the "content of their character..."
I just ordered her book on amazon. Thank you both for letting us all experience this illuminating discussion.
It's an excellent book.
what a gem
Good, straight talk. This woman needs to be heard more widely, by everyone, but most especially, by young people
What a heretic, what a beautiful and intelligent woman!
Obstinate stupidity is not necessarily "heresy" - you will find NO ONE in the biological sciences who argues that genetic diversity weakens a given population, yet one can find any number of social "scientists" who attempt to make a case that diversity weakens society. I'm old enough to remember when the concept of America's "melting pot" was held high as something to be admired and emulated - that started to go away as soon as previously frozen-out segments of society began to gain real access to an approximation of equal protection under the law; that is to say - when our founders' stated ideals were given the force of law. Now the dominant segments of our society are wailing that they have become victims and are actually persecuted. Puh-leeeese...
+goku - What is "obvious" to you is obvious stupidity to others - linguistic diversity is the norm in much of the world, and an individual's ability to speak more than one language is known to empower one, NOT weaken him as an individual or society as a whole.
@@tablaturebutler2823 Equivocation fallacy. Genetic diversity ≠ cultural diversity (or linguistic diversity for that matter). Societies might be able to "improve" their DNA while their economies and social lives flounder.
Also, it's not at all known what percentage of admixture, if any, is beneficial.
Conversely however it is quite clear that negative effects _only_ occur in extremely secluded and highly stratified groups of animals, or through inbreeding.
_"linguistic diversity is the norm in much of the world"_
That is partially correct. If you look at the total population of countries, they may indeed differ from all the way to the north-east to all the way to the south-west, not so much on a village by village basis.
A country where 50 different languages are spoken don't necessarily have inhabitants that speak even more than 1 or 2 as people tend to prefer to live with their peers.
Also, linguistic homogeneity has been norm in human existence from when we lived in small tribes till up to, well, maybe 50 years ago.
Regardless, both arguments are fallacious: appeal to nature fallacy & appeal to majority fallacy.
@@jesperburns - Thanks for letting me know you are impervious to reason. As if I didn't know that about your kind...
@@tablaturebutler2823 I like how you tout reason where your replies are without it.
And while you know nothing about me, you assume a lot, which speaks volumes of your intelligence, since I barely staked out a position, but merely corrected your falsehoods and illogical reasoning.
She has some points but I think that whole poverty thing is simply to blame "poor" people and cover for rich people.
We fail to remember, “Birds of a Feather Flock Together” and have since our evolution. Why we keep expecting immediate change in this regard baffles me. We think more of ourselves and our sense making abilities then we should.
MacDonald is an Intellectual heavy weight in the same sphere as Sam Harris and Jordan Peterson...Love this incredible woman and her brilliant perspectives.
@Ubentmy Wookie All 3 people with very stupid, emotional views
@@Sam-hh3ry expand on this claim.
Being both fans of Harris and Peterson is surprising to me. I can’t imagine many Harris fans that are also fans of Peterson.
Her interview with Mark Levin, Dec 2, 2018 was great.
1:33:35 she´s brilliant in many aspects, but there´s a her giant gaping blind spot and lapse in logic and analysis. has she never heard of working poor? wasn´t she earlier praising the person cleaning the subway, as having the most important job, that society would collapse without? yet seemingly not important enough to pay him/her a living wage? no it´s not just about behavioural choices, even if 100% of the population were phds, that job ist still a very important job, that has to be done by somebody and that somebody needs to be paid adequately, when in reality that cleaning person, probably has another "very important" job on the side just to pay his/her rent.
"just get a better job" just aint gonna cut it, when these really important jobs, that society would collapse without, aren´t paying a living wage. somebody has to do those jobs, and those somebodies don´t deserve to be poor or to be blamed themselves, for just having chosen the "wrong" i.e. badly paid job, when those very same jobs, like cleaners, nurses, teachers etc. are absolutely essential and get paid next to nothing, while on the other hand, as she herself said, bankers, whom we could easily do without, are paid out the ass.
What is with the negative comments about Michael Shermer? Seriously, I don't see it. He seems okay to me. Will someone who has a problem or I mean someone who dislikes or disagrees with Shermer please tell me what am I missing here?
He's not too bad; just a bit of a weasel. Listen from the very beginning, or from 30:00, etc. "We do have white privilege..." he says at one point. Everyone else has the privilege, however; not whites. Etc. Keep your eyes and ears open and take notes. You'll see reasons for negative comments. But, as I say, he's not too bad. At least he lets her talk without interrupting her.
@@musket-hc1fc we do have white privilege, as many bosses will hire people based on skin color without realizing it due to subconcious insular cortex responses, and most bosses are still white in this country.
Shermer is great, super unbiased and doesn't try to shove his opinions down people's throat. My favorite podcast host to date.
@@patrickcompton1483 Yeah. Get on that, willya?
Stunning and brave......no, really, she actually is.
Good talk. Bought her books on Audible. Looking forward reading them.
Yeah she got you to buy her bullshit! Sucka!!!
This is an excellent book.
This woman is very well read and well spoken but she still seems to be fighting for a "side", limiting her potential as an intellectual.
Yes, still tuned in till the end.keep the standards up!
I love Heather MacDonald! Shermers a bit of a weasel however, I'm sorry to say.
Michael Shermer is a gift to humanity.
Can you tell us why you see him as such?
Thank you. Very enlightening interview.
no thanks to him - he is an idiot
I notice that all of the trolls who haven't read her book are out in force. If you read and appreciate her book, give it an honest Amazon review!
Bought 2 just now. Let's see how good they are.
I just ordered it. Looking forward to reading it.
He calls her out with her bullshit!!! @ 2:30, 9:56, 17:46 and on and on. He calls out the human brain 29:07 as flawed because the brain has evolved to put people in categories and label them as friend or foe. He's the smart one and she can't run the bullshit over him.
lol, Yes, so...... a 'Righty' and a 'Libertarian' do not agree 100%... That is what makes both of them very special -- they can still communicate and share ideas and thought and consider them without anger and ferocity, where many of the lefty lunatics are fanatical that the entire world embrace their philosophies and if not, they get hysterical and manic. You, are brilliant. You need to listen more, rather than jump on the bandwagon when you hear something you wish to hear. Both of these people actually use numbers from actual studies performed by qualified personnel, you might actually learn something. Remember, you cannot listen while you are talking (or preparing your 'retort').
Thank God Heather MacDonald is speaking the truth; can't say I am impressed with the interviewer
And thankfully the implicit bias test turned out to be completely flawed empirically.
4years later absolutely brilliant..Ireland
I always enjoy your interviews and Heather's points are well taken, however it glosses over the fact that being born with a silver spoon in your mouth also allows you a lot of privilege's in this society. Take for instance the admission process to elite universities. The key revelation of the Varsity Blues Scandal was not that rich parents pulled all the stops to get their kids into the best universities, but the large number of spots that are reserved for "legacy" students. This has been reported to be as high as 40% at some major universities. So at least for admissions to elite universities we know that this has always been anything but a pure merit based system. Who mom and dad are are key, while there is no doubt that George Bush senior was Yale material, it's a stretch to believe that George Bush Jr was, and to add insult to injury he was later admitted to Harvard Business School.
Duh,In a diverse setting that promotes equality,quotas will be necessary regardless of inconsistencies.Some hypocritical hurdles are necessary to overcome in order to bridge cultural differences and build better relationships and understanding.No one likes entitlements in a merit based system.That is probably the most critical observation about diversity.
about the starting line, how about european serfdom? with some told to leave rather than facing the same fate just as easily..how does that work and who was the real victim?
Great interview
I just discovered you and I am going to read your works. You are a female M. Bloom! You are JUST great!
I don' tknow why this woman is so excoriated and objected to. She's very strident - not always right - but biologically she's pretty accurate. D.A., B.A. (psych), J.D., liberal NYC
Hold on.... I didn't hear the last 1/2 hour until now. UP TO the last half hour she makes a lot of sense. D.A.
Firstly I want to admit, Heather is a beautiful human being and woman. I'm very impressed by her stringency and courage in thinking and talking, and she does this always with an opening smile, found a pearl with her. Thank you!
The lefts recipes and following downward spirals
Good lefties teach how to fish, don't give fish, or teach how to carry responsibility, or don't blame the system for everything as they eagerly do, or they would ask, and what's your share of the hole you're in, and they would not seduce people to be dependents, would not pamper the submissive, would observe with argus eyes, what a destructive power pampering can be and stops it immediately when detected, but the left is not interested in the outcome of their toxic and disastrous medicine all over the world, they rather celebrate hypocritically by posing the good person, ignoring the fatal effects their Non-Help too often has. Brutal, but true, when help is digging the hole deeper and deeper.
With racism the same, the problem is not blackness, it is mentality and mindset, poisoning black communities and hindering them getting out of the holes, the sneaky and pampering attitudes of the left has led them into. Taking the seemingly easier path by drinking this rotten gift of victim hood, was a tragedy for african americans whose disastrous effects we see now all around, hence, playing the victim card and blaming history, slavery etc, and not going a self responsible way, by fighting as individual, who ever is or might be to blame. This is not, to let the perpetrators off the hook, it is to free yourself from being hooked.
Jews could be the best role models for all declared or real victims, hence, they were victims and skip goats since thousands of years, but now they are the most successful minority on earth, winning 200 nobel prizes, out of 800, only because they were not fostering their victim hood, but went the harder and much more dignifying way to top their suppressors in all fields, with only 15mio people. Mentality is all!
I'm a non-jew and not envious, like anti semites usually are, covering this ugly motive with shallow excuses, but I'm impressed by their mentality, not giving up and rejecting the poisonous victim narrative, hence It only seems to be an easy way to play the victim card, but it is rotting you out from within.
Michael your Blue Yeti is a side-address mic. When it's set to its normal modes it should be spoken into with the Blue logo facing you.
Fabolous Mind Heather MacDonald!❤
great podcast thanks
On $7,5 per hour any job wont do. In practice it is not either institutional or choice. It both contribute to itself as well as to the other.
To make people hyper aware of race, colour and sex goes against the view that we are human first, the rest are just coincedentals. If you go through your life only seeing "people" and evaluating how you deal with them as individuals then you are showing equality. Equality shouldn't involve artificially manipulating a situation to achieve an outcome.
The truth can be disturbing to people.
Way back when,,, Shelby Steele wrote a book titled, "The Dream Deferred"....@ 27:21
Are single mother families the cause or the result of poverty?
One must be Orwellianly suspicious of someone who says 'we deal with bad ideas.'
Yes Heather they are. Hence all the craziness ,
Delayed gratification is a skill peculiar to the bourgeois ?
Hearther Mac Donald❤️
Heather is as cute as Meg Ryan in her "good days"...oh, and she seems pretty smart, too. Loved this interview! Well done, guys!
Love this lady
I am still listening, at 1:22:00
I can't stand Shermer's arguments in this one
Brilliant discussion as always. But Heather, I have one disagreement (and I'll add one thing to supplement all my agreements.)
The disagreement. I felt that at some point in this discussion there was a little bit too much moralizing about hookup culture and the role men play in it, in particular. There are no buyers if there are no sellers, so to speak. I do not believe that the majority of young women who participate in this "sport" do so because they are in some deep thrall, or that they have somehow en mass, become "Svengali'd" by the male of the species.
That being said, a young man who is falsely accused is indeed, a victim, and until we grow up a little, as a society, that will always breed its very own special brand of mischief, with all due consequences. Revenge-based ideology often tends to end in fights not at all imagined (and often not petitioned) by its practitioners.
On to my agreement. Yes of course - dismissing dead white men simply because they're white men is a ridiculous and stupid attitude out of hand. I'll only offer up one rather moderate example, but a good book that I still consider an American classic. The Jungle, by Upton Sinclair. This book had a profound effect upon the administration in Washington at the time of its publication. (Teddy Rooseveldt, I believe.)
Good warriors for social justice everywhere should be profoundly moved by that book - else they are charlatans, humbugs, fakes and fools.
On the other hand, why not add more to the pile? I'm all for it. Would love nothing better than to witness a robust and energetic explosion of creative expression from any and all OTHER than white men, dead or living, as the case may be. And if so very many more of everyone other than white men are gaining educations, and knowledge, and a great burgeoning heap of skills, abilities and intellectual attributes, then let's have it. I'm waiting.
Women can protect their own innocence.
Did you not hear her? Minorities drop out of hard science majors (75%). How does that help?
Is this all you do point out the worst in people. It doesn't help!
just the facts
That 75% is at "mis-matched" schools.
Lower drop out rate if attending where other students are not 1 or 2 standard deviations above the minority student who might drop out.
The question is NOT: "How do "WE" get a more just and fair society?"
No, the question is: how does "WE" know what a more just and fair society is?
And then, the more important questions will be: WHO is "WE" and WHAT is "just"?
To the "Affirmative Actions":
Wherever, whenever someone gets pushed up by affirmative actions there HAS TO be someone else pulled down.
Otherwise there won't be a need for any actions, isn't it?
JUST THINK!
Do you know what this is?
DISCRIMINATION AGAINST MERIT!
This has got nothing to do with race, sex or whatever ...
Affirmative Actions are disregarding reality and are therefore an Ideology.
As always in ideology-blended societies - see: Marxism/Socialism - ideological conviction will triumph above merit, leading to social and economical collapse.
And there is nothing one can do.
NOTHING!
Do you know why?
Because every system, every "LEADER" needs to rely on people ...
Good people do not need Ideology and so it will end up with IDIOTS, OPPORTUNISTS and PSYCHOPATHS running the "show" ...
Driven by STUPIDITY, GREED and INFERIORITY!
This is NATURE!
HUMAN NATURE!
Anyway, the interviewer denies the "elitism"?
Wrong, here it is, and it is everywhere: "WE"!
Now, sorry for this ;-) but: WHO THE FUCK IS "WE"?
Take the arrogance, the ignorance and the penetrante inherent to this "WE".
Does it make YOU feel better about yourself when talking in "WE"?
Does it elevate YOU?
WHO chooses YOU to talk for ME?
Or should I feel pressured to belong to "WE"?
Because otherwise I won't belong to the "good ones" or to the "right cause"?
Anyway, I think he conducted a good and fair interview and I agree with her position on the topic.
I listened to the end
Congratulations. I bowed out quite early…
I have heard some official Authentic Black Male Voices on YT talking about the cultural, political, and economic differences between having a neutral or slightly-Black name like "Damon" or being raised by idiotic parents who gave you an entirely pseudo-African name with a weird spelling, and how THAT could be a potential flag for prospective employers. He hinted pretty strongly that professionals -- and even heavily black positions in Washington DC politics -- they DO want Blackness but have concerns about "excessive Blackness", for solid reasons.
Like if a guy shows up in tech wearing hunting camo gear, he might be signalling a mis-match, even to people who are not opposed to hunting.
This guy didn't hear a word she said about the catastrophe of 73% unwed births among Blacks and aid to dependent mothers harming Black society. Her answer was the most brilliant I've ever heard, yet he goes on like she said nothing at all. And why does he always need to bore his listeners with his bragging being an atheist? Who cares? She's there to publicize and explain her book not to debate.
I think the professional training schools like law, medicine, dentistry etc will survive but undergrad as we know it is on its way out.
Cool to meet another secular conservative, I don't think there are many of us out there. And MacDonald is so sweet, if I am allowed to say that without being objectifying and sexist... But I guess she wouldn't care, since she hasn't bought into the victimhood cult, and thank the God who doesn't exist for women like her. She almost makes me believe in humanity again.
Smug, uninformed interviewer. Heather Mac Donald is a brave, honest thinker.
Amen.
No movement is perfect. Would she like to live as a young adult in the fifties?
Sweden used to have the highest social spending in the world, but that's history now since they've crushed their budget by allowing for mass immigration of people who cannot find a job for years. 6% of the "refugees" who came in 2015 had a job in 2020, the rest, 94%, still lived on welfare.
the Righ of the Isles would be proud she bore the Name
TLDR: Some people go crazy with identity politics, therefore oppression doesn't exist.
Is 'race' really used when talking about ethnicity? Sounds like a boomerish term.
Many individuals who follow politics and journalists think that the right-wing playbook began with the Koch brothers. However, in her groundbreaking book, Nancy MacLean traces their political strategy to a Southern economist who created the foundation for today’s libertarian oligarchy in the 1950s.
Heather MacDonald works within this system to create her version of a narrative that influences public opinion in these directions. She works for a 'think tank', the Manhattan Institute*, that is partially funded by the Koch Foundation. She wrote an article in 2008 entitled, Is the Criminal-Justice System Racist?, with this same BS as this video. Constantly repeat the propaganda which you know isn't true. Get as many people as possible to repeat what you know isn't true. The lie perpetuates itself, while the truth is constantly chasing behind it. I added comments to correct her. She deleted my comments. I continued to replace my comments repeatedly, until they were left alone. It's such a shame that those Yale, Oxford, Stanford academic credentials couldn't have been put to better use, rather than to rehash debunked material, just because it pays her bills. truthout.org/articles/misinforming-the-majority-a-deliberate-strategy-of-right-wing-libertarians/
"If men are guilty, if not rape--the vast majority do not rape-- they are certainly acting as boorishly as possible."
I couldn't have said it better myself!
Identity politics means: It can't be, what shouldn't be,
claiming, there are no differences between people, no matter what sex, race, genders, ethnicity. All differences appear only due to socialization, they mean. No wonder fear these circles evolutionary studies, showing, there are vast differences in sex behavior, since the beginning of biology, no wonder they try to ignore natural preferences genders have choosing professions like in the most liberal scandinavian countries, where sexes still choose the typical professions.
Postmodernism with its relativism was the way paver of this nonsense, having now strong advocates in media and in big companies through HR, the trojan horses, bringing this absurd poison mentality into companies, who are losing the courage to oppose this insanity, due to the social media mobsters, having now a powerful tool to orchestrate campaigns with few activists then appearing as masses. It will be disastrous for companies following these ideological tracks, not taking the best, but an equity mix, following the orders of these misguided missiles.
In the same time excellence gets mobbed out or discouraged to reach mediocrity, where foremost the lowest levels will celebrate their mediocre stance, not being in the shadow of excellences, a postmodern dreamland were the mud is the level of all, all, eating the same mud. As it happened in communism all around, by decapitating the best and celebrating the lowest, due to an unfit marxist ideology, postulating a mentality only with saints would work, but not with us humans.
But give it another disastrous try, after not having succeeded once on the whole planet. Identity politics are a leftish powergame and were not started by compassion as they claim with their fostered aura of moral superiority, otherwise they would not ignore the outcomes, the dropping out of unfit students or frustrated females in male fields, not because they were mobbed by the males, only cause it was not theirs. No, this ideologie was driven by the old leftish unvirtue envy, not getting to the top, due to undiscipline or not fitting, being then jealous of the disciplined doing everything to get up. An ugly mindset covered by fake compassion and paternalistic behavior. These ideologues tend to live in their dream castle, dreaming their romantic and unrealistic unify-the-world-narrative as an equalized paradise fantasy, making saints out of humans, we are not.
Trump should listen to this...
Hilarious!
59:37 Whaat? Wow of chastity? Poetry?
How can anyone mix up common sense with such obtuse views? Mystery!
I just have a question why does the author in her book group white and Asians together as a group and then group black and hispanics together as a group and use those test scores against each other‘s .when we all know that the white scores are way less than the Asian scores..are you just using the Asian scores to bring up bring up the white scores by grouping them together is that the only way to validate your point
I like Heather Mc. Donald for her profound and very logical analysis. Michael Shermer is simply an ignorant intellectual. I have heard him in many debates about the existence of God and because he is an atheist he has failed good and logical arguments against God. Instead he have tried to put others down.
@Kali Southpaw you knew my parents? WOW!!! I wish I knew them. NO, my knowledge about the existence of God it comes from reading and applying to my self the wisdom of the Vedas. But how can I explain the philosophical depth of the Veda to someone who has already decided that there is not a reality beyond this illusory material world? Impossible!!!! So my dear friend just wait till you are in your sixties and then we can continue this discussion. It seems to me you are a little young to discuss very exalted topic like philosophy, spiritual knowledge, the limitations of matter, etc......Take care of yourself and of your intellect.....don't let superficial Shermer shoved down your throat his aberrations-speculations-mental dysfunctionalities, etc....
@Kali Southpaw I just realized you carry a very disturbing name--KALI. Do you know its meaning? Go and search Kali-yuga. You'll be surprised how revealing it will be of your personality.
You realize Heather is also an atheist right?
@@bettinabarr9107 yes I knew. And that's right by me. Anyone has the right to believe what he wants. The difference between Shermer and McDonald is that he is an activist atheist and a dysfunctional intellectual, she is simply an honest intellectual and she is an honest conservative who has understood what the left radical are doing to our Country. She is also not a communist, and that's to me is huge in judging her as one of the few intellectual woman sane left in America. Take care .
Sorry, but no.
great argument!
Showing intellect to rival that of Heather Mac Donald
I'm completely convinced by this philosophically airtight rebuttal. I will never question anything ever again.
Anthropology showed long ago that there is no such thing as a pure race; this has been confirmed by genomics. We are essentially the same, and differ mostly by the time we migrated from Africa. None the less we are required to check one or more boxes e.g. caucasian, hispanic...but not Jewish or Celtic etc. Perhaps if we in the university taught how we are the same...
Watch the interviews by James Watson about the human genome sequencing findings as they pertain to races.
Michael Shermer is officially better than Sam Harris to me now. He is, to me, a true skeptic.
@John Anthony I don't think he believes in it in such simplicist terms.
I feel the same way, hes in the same level with harris, pinker, heather heyes and the Weinstein bros
This podcast lacks diversity.
Nothing sexier the an intelligent fearless white queen.
Please do amy wax.
32:10 Typical decades-old conservative arguments being rehashed. Most people aren't claiming that it's an accomplishment to be born gay. Rather, it's an accomplishment to overcome the hardships thrown at you by society/your family/etc for being gay. Same idea for race, gender, fill in the blank... Can you spot the difference? And what an individual finds "interesting" is very personal. I don't think Heather gets to dictate that for others. I thought the purpose of education was to foment curiosity in everything around you, even if the study seems pointless on the surface.
Also lol'ed a bit about the subway cleaner vs. banker. If the former is so important, and we live under an economic system that rewards hard work and its value provided to society, why isn't the cleaner getting paid six figures and the banker only minimum wage? Hmm, suspicious.
Sounds like you're playing the victim card like most people. "So because of my gender, race or sexual preference I deserve praise for the success I have." Well I got news for you every single human being on this planet have a sob story to tell but strong individuals don't need pity. As a matter of fact pity is an insult to them. Why isn't a cleaner getting paid the same as banker? Your real question is why is a task that takes zero intelligence to do , a task that is so routine that we now have the ability to build a robot to do it but yet you think these people should get paid the same as someone who does something that requires an higher IQ? Pretty flawed logic.
It's about market economics- there's an endless supply of ppl who can be a cleaner, much less who have the skill set and knowledge base to be a banker. Does that mean we have to value them as a society the same way?
really? You thought that was a deep question to ask why the cleaner and banker are on different pay-scales? Really? Supply & demand. That's it. You do realize bother Shermer and McDonald would demolish you in a discussion. You can't rationalize on your own why there's different wages for different jobs.
Because capitalism does not value those hard workers as it should.
@@MrGrownman455 this argument assumes that everyone should be paid based on the iq level they were born with, something they can't really help.
I've heard this woman on various occasions; she strikes me as being a racist.
Bologna
What a beautifully archaic woman. Too bad.
Shermer's ego, along with his atheistic point of view has obscured his reality to the point of societal lunacy.
watch dave rubin he does long-form interviews
Ahahahaha....Rubin is a moron.
There are many better podcasts than his with conservative leaning hosts
Wonder if he propositioned her off camera....
"Forget the child, being a single parent REALLY sux." - Heather "Shit Parent" MacDonald
Annoyingly ignorance from Heather. Segregation does not help even if it is named "helping the target group". First challenge helps, reducing challenge does not help to better grades and achievements. Second, there is a huge difference of "named" higher education centres against the less famous one in matters of future wages and possibility to access work, even if objectively the persons from different school have no real difference in performance.
"Skeptic" lmao this is nothing but garbage political propaganda. Next get on jordan Peterson on why Christianity is true and Richard Spencer. Done with this channel.
"America is inherently sexist and racist" "diversity is bad cuz I say so" (even though its shown to be a positive force for people with different perspectives)
Such nonsensical straw mans and her entire ideology is identity politics. Her entire identity is "secular conservative" who spews utter nonsense any hardcore conservative will. I thought this was a science channel. Garbage
You're a looney
You do realize that part of seeking the truth is exiting your little ideological echo chamber from time to time, right?
@@rogerpattube not an argument. You're a dumbass
@@AntiCitizenX no actually its looking at claims about the world and evaluating them based on the evidence and her rhetoric is absolutely a giant straw man with politically charged garbage that has no merit at all
Do you understand the difference between "necessary" and "sufficient?" I specifically said "PART OF" seeking the truth---not "ALL OF" seeking the truth.
If you're going to look at claims about the world, that should included claims beyond your ideological echo chamber. If they're wrong, then fine. Show how they're wrong. If they have merit, however, then it's worth looking into them and evaluating them accordingly.